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Title: Trump threatened Electoral College
Post by Agnes on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 8:31pm

members.

So he does threat's and manipulation.. mmmmm ?

Quote:

Earlier today, it was reported that Donald Trump has begun privately threatening Republican members of the Electoral College with retribution if they fail to vote for him. This came to light when one of the Electors outed Trump publicly for it. We’ve done some subsequent legal research, and based on two very clearly worded federal statutes, it turns out Donald Trump violated the law in doing so.

First, here’s the Salon report from earlier today in which one member of the Electoral College publicly accused Donald Trump of making “threats of political reprisal,” including sabotaging the Elector’s political career. Now we move onto the legal research which I’ve done myself. I’m not an attorney, but the federal statutes in question are brief and are worded very clearly.

First we have “18 U.S. Code § 872 – Extortion by officers or employees of the United States.” According to the Legal Information Institute hosted on Cornell University’s website, it says the following in its entirety:

Whoever, being an officer, or employee of the United States or any department or agency thereof, or representing himself to be or assuming to act as such, under color or pretense of office or employment commits or attempts an act of extortion, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; but if the amount so extorted or demanded does not exceed $1,000, he shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.
This makes clear that if Donald Trump is currently considered to be an “officer” or “employee” of the federal government, he’s violating the law if he uses his position to extort the Electors into voting for him by threatening to sabotage their careers. Now comes the question of whether Trump is legally considered an officer of the government even though he hasn’t yet been sworn in yet.

To that end, we have “18 U.S. Code § 871 – Threats against President and successors to the Presidency” which states in part that it’s illegal to threaten or harm the “President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice President or other officer.” This statute clearly defines the President-elect as being an “officer” of the federal government. President-elect is a title which Donald Trump acknowledges on his verified Twitter page that he currently holds.

In other words, based on these two federal statutes, Donald Trump is currently defined as an officer of the federal government, and he is therefore legally prohibited from using his position to extort anyone – including the Electoral College members who now claim that he’s threatening him. In fact 18 U.S. Code 875 stipulates a more severe punishment because it took place across state lines, which 18 U.S. Code 3559 in turn defines as a felony.

But the real world question is not so much whether Trump would be arrested or imprisoned for these crimes. The legal upshot is that if this election is ultimately decided by the Supreme Court or any federal court, Trump’s violation of the law in the name of securing the Presidency could be used as a disqualifying factor by the judges in question.

Title: Re: Trump threatened Electoral College
Post by Agnes on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 8:39pm

ok I do have a link..

http://www.dailynewsbin.com/news/donald-trump-violated-federal-law-by-threatening-electoral-college-members/26730/

Title: Re: Trump threatened Electoral College
Post by John Smith on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 8:41pm

trump is, and always has been, a bully.

Title: Re: Trump threatened Electoral College
Post by NorthOfNorth on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 8:45pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 8:41pm:

trump is, and always has been, a bully.

With a cabinet of plutocrats and generals, Trump is, and would have always been, an autocrat.

Title: Re: Trump threatened Electoral College
Post by Frank on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 9:00pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 8:45pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 8:41pm:

trump is, and always has been, a bully.

With a cabinet of plutocrats and generals, Trump is, and would have always been, an autocrat.

Just LOVE it!!!!

You stupid, ignorant virtue signalling idiots. "Trump is, and would have always been, an autocrat." Maybe in Syria or some other 'culturally vibrant' third world hell-hole.

America has a constitution and a well-established system of checks and balances (missing from all the 'vibrant' countries).

Keep writhing on the floor, tormented by your idiocy.

Title: Re: Trump threatened Electoral College
Post by The Mechanic on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 9:07pm

do you losers ever quit..

you are a laughing stock... ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lAO3mILvBI

Title: Re: Trump threatened Electoral College
Post by Agnes on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 9:14pm

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 9:07pm:

do you losers ever quit..

you are a laughing stock... ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lAO3mILvBI

Yes laughing at you. Sticking up for a disgusting pig like him speaks volumes about you dimwitty.

Title: Re: Trump threatened Electoral College
Post by NorthOfNorth on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 9:18pm

Frank wrote on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 9:00pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 8:45pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 8:41pm:

trump is, and always has been, a bully.

With a cabinet of plutocrats and generals, Trump is, and would have always been, an autocrat.

Trump is already a plutocrat... How small a hop is that from becoming an autocrat?

Title: Re: Trump threatened Electoral College
Post by Frank on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 9:32pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 9:18pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 9:00pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 8:45pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 8:41pm:

trump is, and always has been, a bully.

With a cabinet of plutocrats and generals, Trump is, and would have always been, an autocrat.

Trump is already a plutocrat... How small a hop is that from becoming an autocrat?

Bandying Greek words about just makes you sound even stupider. You ARE seriously out of your min.

How many plutocrats and autocrats have captured the reigns of government in America since 1776?

Zero.

Why? Try to answer that but be careful, it's a trick question. You are more than likely to make yourself look the complete idiot even more than you have so far.i

Title: Re: Trump threatened Electoral College
Post by NorthOfNorth on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 9:47pm

Frank wrote on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 9:32pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 9:18pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 9:00pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 8:45pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 8:41pm:

trump is, and always has been, a bully.

With a cabinet of plutocrats and generals, Trump is, and would have always been, an autocrat.

Trump is already a plutocrat... How small a hop is that from becoming an autocrat?

One... FDR.

Title: Re: Trump threatened Electoral College
Post by Bias_2012 on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 11:52pm

He threatened this Electoral College?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_electors,_2016

Title: Re: Trump threatened Electoral College
Post by longweekend58 on Dec 15^th, 2016 at 12:16pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 11:52pm:

He threatened this Electoral College?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_electors,_2016

Yes.

So the idea of threatening in this way is what you call fair and decent?

Title: Re: Trump threatened Electoral College
Post by Frank on Dec 15^th, 2016 at 7:31pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 9:47pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 9:32pm:

One... FDR.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

So you are here, wagging your finger and warning the world about a SECOND FDR???

You are out of your mind.

Title: Re: Trump threatened Electoral College
Post by longweekend58 on Dec 15^th, 2016 at 8:07pm

Frank wrote on Dec 15^th, 2016 at 7:31pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 9:47pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 9:32pm:

One... FDR.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

So you are here, wagging your finger and warning the world about a SECOND FDR???

You are out of your mind.

FDR??? not at all. Hitler? yeah, thats the real fear. And he was voted in too - by retards.

Title: Re: Trump threatened Electoral College
Post by NorthOfNorth on Dec 15^th, 2016 at 8:28pm

Frank wrote on Dec 15^th, 2016 at 7:31pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 9:47pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 9:32pm:

One... FDR.

So you are here, wagging your finger and warning the world about a SECOND FDR???

You are out of your mind.

I'm not 'wagging my finger and warning the world about a SECOND FDR' at all...

If that's who he turns out to be...

After all, that would put him at the left, now wouldn't it...

But, having said that, his cabinet picks with its plutocrats and generals, makes it not so much a Cabinet... As a Junta...

Title: Re: Trump threatened Electoral College
Post by longweekend58 on Dec 15^th, 2016 at 10:04pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 15^th, 2016 at 8:28pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 15^th, 2016 at 7:31pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 9:47pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 9:32pm:

One... FDR.

So you are here, wagging your finger and warning the world about a SECOND FDR???

You are out of your mind.

well I guess he IS kinda draining the swamp of politicians and replacing them with a junta.

might be the only promise he keeps but even then, not he way his retarded supporters expected.

Title: Re: Trump threatened Electoral College
Post by Frank on Dec 15^th, 2016 at 10:04pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 15^th, 2016 at 8:28pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 15^th, 2016 at 7:31pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 9:47pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 9:32pm:

One... FDR.

So you are here, wagging your finger and warning the world about a SECOND FDR???

You are out of your mind.

To many ....s for someone who wants to come across as a cohesive person.

All this stupid nodding and hinting - what are you?? A ridiculous, stupid little man who has all of a sudden lost his nerve an is now all hints and nods.

Pathetic. Speak plainly, if you can, or shut up.

Title: Re: Trump threatened Electoral College
Post by NorthOfNorth on Dec 15^th, 2016 at 10:20pm

Frank wrote on Dec 15^th, 2016 at 10:04pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 15^th, 2016 at 8:28pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 15^th, 2016 at 7:31pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 9:47pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 9:32pm:

One... FDR.

So you are here, wagging your finger and warning the world about a SECOND FDR???

You are out of your mind.

Those ... for you "Frank" and the other entity you once were, is my literary interpretation of Zen breathing I find relaxing when it comes to responding to you, because, as a human being, you're a ... little... 'man' ....

... ... ... ...

Title: Re: Trump threatened Electoral College
Post by Frank on Dec 15^th, 2016 at 10:42pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 15^th, 2016 at 10:20pm:

I thought you had verve.

But you don't.

Sad.

Title: Re: Trump threatened Electoral College
Post by Frank on Dec 15^th, 2016 at 10:49pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 15^th, 2016 at 8:28pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 15^th, 2016 at 7:31pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 9:47pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 9:32pm:

One... FDR.

So you are here, wagging your finger and warning the world about a SECOND FDR???

You are out of your mind.

....

You are covering up your stupidity and corresponding sense of inferiority.

Title: Re: Trump threatened Electoral College
Post by NorthOfNorth on Dec 16^th, 2016 at 7:53am

Frank wrote on Dec 15^th, 2016 at 10:49pm:

....

You are covering up your stupidity and corresponding sense of inferiority.

This from someone who hides his former 'style' behind a new entity...

Title: Re: Trump threatened Electoral College
Post by John Smith on Dec 16^th, 2016 at 8:48am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 16^th, 2016 at 7:53am:

'style'

;D ;D

that's a very liberal definition of the word you are using there. Sore end has anything but style.

Title: Re: Trump threatened Electoral College
Post by NorthOfNorth on Dec 16^th, 2016 at 9:32am

John Smith wrote on Dec 16^th, 2016 at 8:48am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 16^th, 2016 at 7:53am:

'style'

;D ;D

that's a very liberal definition of the word you are using there. Sore end has anything but style.

Yes!

I used it advisedly... Hence the quotes!

Title: Re: Trump threatened Electoral College
Post by Panther on Dec 16^th, 2016 at 2:48pm

Agnes wrote on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 8:31pm:

Quote:

.........In other words, based on these two federal statutes, Donald Trump is currently defined as an officer of the federal government, and he is therefore legally prohibited from using his position to extort anyone – including the Electoral College members who now claim that he’s threatening him. In fact 18 U.S. Code 875 stipulates a more severe punishment because it took place across state lines, which 18 U.S. Code 3559 in turn defines as a felony.

But the real world question is not so much whether Trump would be arrested or imprisoned for these crimes. The legal upshot is that if this election is ultimately decided by the Supreme Court or any federal court, Trump’s violation of the law in the name of securing the Presidency could be used as a disqualifying factor by the judges in question.

Title: Re: Trump threatened Electoral College
Post by Karnal on Dec 16^th, 2016 at 5:54pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 16^th, 2016 at 8:48am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 16^th, 2016 at 7:53am:

'style'

;D ;D

that's a very liberal definition of the word you are using there. Sore end has anything but style.

I believe the correct term is taste.

Anyone for stool?