And he's not even sworn in yet.

The Hill:
The Donald Trumpi

team and Carrier have reached an agreement to keep about 1,000 manufacturing jobs in Indiana, fulfilling one of Trump's major campaign promises.

Carrier confirmed the news, first reported by the New York Times, on Twitter.
"We are pleased to have reached a deal with President-elect Trump & VP-elect Pence to keep close to 1,000 jobs in Indy. More details soon.

11:54 AM - 30 Nov 2016"

In March, Carrier, one of the biggest air conditioning companies in the U.S., announced it would close its facility in Indianapolis and move operations to Mexico, eliminating 1,400 jobs.


The deal reportedly will keep a majority of the jobs in the state in exchange for friendlier business regulations and an overhauling of the corporate tax code.

Trump is also expected to tone down his rhetoric threatening 35 percent tariffs on companies that shift production out of the country, the Times reports.

Trump and Vice President-elect Mike Pence
, Indiana's governor, will announce the details of the agreement on Thursday at Carrier's Indianapolis plant, according to the Times.

Trump frequently railed against the move and pledged to force Carrier to keep its jobs in the U.S. while on the campaign trail.

"Here's what's going to happen," Trump told a crowd in Indianapolis in April. "I'll get a call from the head of Carrier and he'll say, 'Mr. President, we've decided to stay in the United States. That's what's going to happen -- 100 percent."

The Hill has reached out to both Carrier and the Trump campaign for comment.

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 11:19am:

And he's not even sworn in yet. The Hill: The Donald Trumpi team and Carrier have reached an agreement to keep about 1,000 manufacturing jobs in Indiana, fulfilling one of Trump's major campaign promises. Carrier confirmed the news, first reported by the New York Times, on Twitter. "We are pleased to have reached a deal with President-elect Trump & VP-elect Pence to keep close to 1,000 jobs in Indy. More details soon. 11:54 AM - 30 Nov 2016" In March, Carrier, one of the biggest air conditioning companies in the U.S., announced it would close its facility in Indianapolis and move operations to Mexico, eliminating 1,400 jobs. The deal reportedly will keep a majority of the jobs in the state in exchange for friendlier business regulations and an overhauling of the corporate tax code. Trump is also expected to tone down his rhetoric threatening 35 percent tariffs on companies that shift production out of the country, the Times reports. Trump and Vice President-elect Mike Pence , Indiana's governor, will announce the details of the agreement on Thursday at Carrier's Indianapolis plant, according to the Times. Trump frequently railed against the move and pledged to force Carrier to keep its jobs in the U.S. while on the campaign trail. "Here's what's going to happen," Trump told a crowd in Indianapolis in April. "I'll get a call from the head of Carrier and he'll say, 'Mr. President, we've decided to stay in the United States. That's what's going to happen -- 100 percent." The Hill has reached out to both Carrier and the Trump campaign for comment.

link..? ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

Agnes wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 11:21am:

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 11:19am: And he's not even sworn in yet. The Hill: The Donald Trumpi team and Carrier have reached an agreement to keep about 1,000 manufacturing jobs in Indiana, fulfilling one of Trump's major campaign promises. Carrier confirmed the news, first reported by the New York Times, on Twitter. "We are pleased to have reached a deal with President-elect Trump & VP-elect Pence to keep close to 1,000 jobs in Indy. More details soon. 11:54 AM - 30 Nov 2016" In March, Carrier, one of the biggest air conditioning companies in the U.S., announced it would close its facility in Indianapolis and move operations to Mexico, eliminating 1,400 jobs. The deal reportedly will keep a majority of the jobs in the state in exchange for friendlier business regulations and an overhauling of the corporate tax code. Trump is also expected to tone down his rhetoric threatening 35 percent tariffs on companies that shift production out of the country, the Times reports. Trump and Vice President-elect Mike Pence , Indiana's governor, will announce the details of the agreement on Thursday at Carrier's Indianapolis plant, according to the Times. Trump frequently railed against the move and pledged to force Carrier to keep its jobs in the U.S. while on the campaign trail. "Here's what's going to happen," Trump told a crowd in Indianapolis in April. "I'll get a call from the head of Carrier and he'll say, 'Mr. President, we've decided to stay in the United States. That's what's going to happen -- 100 percent." The Hill has reached out to both Carrier and the Trump campaign for comment. link..? ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

Bogie never reveals his sources.

It's all very top secret.

agnes - http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/29/business/trump-to-announce-carrier-plant-will-keep-jobs-in-us.html?_r=0


Quote:

........................Mr. Trump will be hard-pressed to alter the economic forces that have hammered the Rust Belt for decades, but forcing Carrier and its parent company, United Technologies, to reverse course is a powerful tactical strike that will rally his base even before he takes office. In exchange for keeping the factory running in Indianapolis, Mr. Trump and Mr. Pence are expected to reiterate their campaign pledges to be friendlier to business by easing regulations and overhauling the corporate tax code. .........

This is a good result for the US

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 11:26am:

agnes - http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/29/business/trump-to-announce-carrier-plant-will-keep-jobs-in-us.html?_r=0 Quote: ........................Mr. Trump will be hard-pressed to alter the economic forces that have hammered the Rust Belt for decades, but forcing Carrier and its parent company, United Technologies, to reverse course is a powerful tactical strike that will rally his base even before he takes office. In exchange for keeping the factory running in Indianapolis, Mr. Trump and Mr. Pence are expected to reiterate their campaign pledges to be friendlier to business by easing regulations and overhauling the corporate tax code. ......... This is a good result for the US

But how long will it last? Clearly Carrier is simply delaying its move in the expectation that Trump will deliver on his tax-cut proposals. And when he fails to do so, Carrier will move then.

And given that Trump wants to literally disband the Environmental Protection Agency, be very fearful of what 'less regulation' might mean. Dumping toxic waste without oversight is certainly cheaper. Less stringent emission standards on cars will also make them cheaper. But do you really want that?

Amazing work Mr Trump.
During your campaign you rightly pointed out how obama and hillary lost US jobs.
One of your key goals was to get them back.

You are not even sworn in and you can turn around and say "Here are 1000 jobs on our soils still."

Marvelously well done Good Sir.

Since he can't enact any policies, isnt this a win for Obama who stil lcan?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 12:15pm:

Amazing work Mr trump. During your campaign you rightly pointed out how Obama and Hillary lost US jobs.

He also pointed out, on a daily basis, that the election was rigged.

How can he now accept the position of President, when he's admitted to gaining the office through an illegitimate process?

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 12:20pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 12:15pm: Amazing work Mr trump. During your campaign you rightly pointed out how Obama and Hillary lost US jobs. He also pointed out, on a daily basis, that the election was rigged. How can he now accept the position of President, when he's admitted to gaining the office through an illegitimate process?

He can't, Greggery.

Fair's fair. Mr Trump will need to stage a coup.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 12:15pm:

Amazing work Mr Trump. During your campaign you rightly pointed out how obama and hillary lost US jobs. One of your key goals was to get them back. You are not even sworn in and you can turn around and say "Here are 1000 jobs on our soils still." Marvelously well done Good Sir.

Employment has risen under Obama. It had to - the US economy was in the biggest recession since the Great Depression when Obama came in.

When Trump talks about unemployment, he's saying the unemployment figures are rigged too. The election, unemployment figures, economic growth figures, the GDP, immigration figures, and even the president's birth certificate.

All rigged.

Now that Trump's in charge, we should get some honesty, no? 

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 12:20pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 12:15pm: Amazing work Mr trump. During your campaign you rightly pointed out how Obama and Hillary lost US jobs. He also pointed out, on a daily basis, that the election was rigged. How can he now accept the position of President, when he's admitted to gaining the office through an illegitimate process?

I am surprised that more media dont point this out. Isnt supporting an outcome only if you win the kind of thing we laughed at even in primary school? And now he is even claiming he wont the vote itself. We all know Trump has no shame, but are all his supporters that shameless?

This is going to be one fiasco after another with Trump at the helm and there will always be someone else to blame.

Melanias purse wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 12:27pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 12:15pm: Amazing work Mr Trump. During your campaign you rightly pointed out how obama and hillary lost US jobs. One of your key goals was to get them back. You are not even sworn in and you can turn around and say "Here are 1000 jobs on our soils still." Marvelously well done Good Sir. Employment has risen under Obama. It had to - the US economy was in the biggest recession since the Great Depression when Obama came in. When Trump talks about unemployment, he's saying the unemployment figures are rigged too. The election, unemployment figures, economic growth figures, the GDP, immigration figures, and even the president's birth certificate. All rigged. Now that Trump's in charge, we should get some honesty, no?

I honestly do not understand how anyone could have voted for this clown with the things he continues to say. Almost nothing makes sense. Most things are flat-out lies and his behaviour is the antithesis of statesman-like.

I sense I will get a lot of laughs out of the next administration, but it could also be a great deal of failure as well.

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 12:35pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 12:20pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 12:15pm: Amazing work Mr trump. During your campaign you rightly pointed out how Obama and Hillary lost US jobs. He also pointed out, on a daily basis, that the election was rigged. How can he now accept the position of President, when he's admitted to gaining the office through an illegitimate process? I am surprised that more media dont point this out. Isnt supporting an outcome only if you win the kind of thing we laughed at even in primary school? And now he is even claiming he wont the vote itself. We all know Trump has no shame, but are all his supporters that shameless? This is going to be one fiasco after another with Trump at the helm and there will always be someone else to blame.

Year 9 maths, innit.

Obama handed Trump a healthy economy and is riding on that ...

we had the same thing here with Holden...we begged and prayed they would stay here forever....yep even handed over trillions..it can only last for so long...

but I am sure if I was working for these companies I would be glad of anything that put off the evil day.. :(

Well done Mr Trump, won't be long before you're President Trump. ;)

Fuzzball wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 12:52pm:

Well done Mr Trump, won't be long before you're President Trump. ;)

Exactly. The illegitimate president Trump.

The game's rigged, Matty. Trump told us this himself.

Melanias purse wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 1:01pm:

Fuzzball wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 12:52pm: Well done Mr Trump, won't be long before you're President Trump. ;) Exactly. The illegitimate president Trump. The game's rigged, Matty. Trump told us this himself.

You're a f@#$ing monkey spanker.......silly be_atch.....

Fuzzball wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 1:20pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 1:01pm: Fuzzball wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 12:52pm: Well done Mr Trump, won't be long before you're President Trump. ;) Exactly. The illegitimate president Trump. The game's rigged, Matty. Trump told us this himself. You're a f@#$ing monkey spanker.......silly be_atch.....

We all are, Matty, we all are.

We're all friends here, no?

cods wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 12:48pm:

we had the same thing here with Holden...we begged and prayed they would stay here forever....yep even handed over trillions..it can only last for so long... but I am sure if I was working for these companies I would be glad of anything that put off the evil day.. :(

we didnt hand over TRILLIONS, you clown.  At least try and stay sober.

ZeroHedge:

Consider the media headlines and stories published before and after the presidential election.

Before the election:
◦“The conventional wisdom is that, right off the bat, the stock market would fall precipitous-ly. Simon Johnson, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology economist, posited that Mr. Trump’s presidency would “likely cause the stock market to crash and plunge the world into recession.” He predicted that Mr. Trump’s “anti-trade policies would cause a sharp slowdown, much like the British are experiencing” after their vote to exit the European Union.” - The New York Times – “What Happens to the Markets if Donald Trump Wins?” by Andrew Ross Sorkin
◦“The stock market doesn’t like the idea of a Trump Presidency”- PBS Newshour
◦“Economists: A Trump win would tank the market” – Politico
◦“Stock Markets will freak out if Trump wins, but you probably shouldn’t”- Boston Globe

After:


◦Wall Street welcomes Trump with a bang” –CNN Money
◦Stock Market Slingshots Higher After Trump Victory Sparked Overnight Plunge” Forbes
◦Dow Surges to Fresh All-Time High on Trump-Fueled Momentum” –Fox Business
Following Donald Trump’s surprise victory and the violent market reactions, many investors are left scratching their heads. As shown above, the consensus narrative warned that a Trump victory would spell doom for the markets. Days later, the narrative flipped and Trump’s economic policies, all of which were known prior to the election, are deemed beneficial for share prices.

In this article we evaluate the narratives we see day-to-day and how they not only tell a story, true or false, but provide comfort and, importantly, a sense of control. We then explore the current mar-ket narrative calling Trump’s victory bullish for share prices. We hope to provide cognizance of the influence of narratives and to offer a basis to help investors judge whether the markets’ reaction is justified.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-29/narrative-every-season-stocks-and-after-trump

Has Thrump told carrier he will subsidise them?

surely the free market brigade is opposed to such a move? :D :D

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 2:19pm:

ZeroHedge: Consider the media headlines and stories published before and after the presidential election. Before the election: ◦“The conventional wisdom is that, right off the bat, the stock market would fall precipitous-ly. Simon Johnson, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology economist, posited that Mr. Trump’s presidency would “likely cause the stock market to crash and plunge the world into recession.” He predicted that Mr. Trump’s “anti-trade policies would cause a sharp slowdown, much like the British are experiencing” after their vote to exit the European Union.” - The New York Times – “What Happens to the Markets if Donald Trump Wins?” by Andrew Ross Sorkin ◦“The stock market doesn’t like the idea of a Trump Presidency”- PBS Newshour ◦“Economists: A Trump win would tank the market” – Politico ◦“Stock Markets will freak out if Trump wins, but you probably shouldn’t”- Boston Globe After: ◦Wall Street welcomes Trump with a bang” –CNN Money ◦Stock Market Slingshots Higher After Trump Victory Sparked Overnight Plunge” Forbes ◦Dow Surges to Fresh All-Time High on Trump-Fueled Momentum” –Fox Business Following Donald Trump’s surprise victory and the violent market reactions, many investors are left scratching their heads. As shown above, the consensus narrative warned that a Trump victory would spell doom for the markets. Days later, the narrative flipped and Trump’s economic policies, all of which were known prior to the election, are deemed beneficial for share prices. In this article we evaluate the narratives we see day-to-day and how they not only tell a story, true or false, but provide comfort and, importantly, a sense of control. We then explore the current mar-ket narrative calling Trump’s victory bullish for share prices. We hope to provide cognizance of the influence of narratives and to offer a basis to help investors judge whether the markets’ reaction is justified. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-29/narrative-every-season-stocks-and-after-trump

yes.
Similar dire warnings were given before the brexit vote happened too.

England is still afloat, meteors have not struck AND commerce still occurs in england.

Farage predicted similar dire warnings before the US vote when touring with Trump.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 2:55pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 2:19pm: ZeroHedge: Consider the media headlines and stories published before and after the presidential election. Before the election: ◦“The conventional wisdom is that, right off the bat, the stock market would fall precipitous-ly. Simon Johnson, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology economist, posited that Mr. Trump’s presidency would “likely cause the stock market to crash and plunge the world into recession.” He predicted that Mr. Trump’s “anti-trade policies would cause a sharp slowdown, much like the British are experiencing” after their vote to exit the European Union.” - The New York Times – “What Happens to the Markets if Donald Trump Wins?” by Andrew Ross Sorkin ◦“The stock market doesn’t like the idea of a Trump Presidency”- PBS Newshour ◦“Economists: A Trump win would tank the market” – Politico ◦“Stock Markets will freak out if Trump wins, but you probably shouldn’t”- Boston Globe After: ◦Wall Street welcomes Trump with a bang” –CNN Money ◦Stock Market Slingshots Higher After Trump Victory Sparked Overnight Plunge” Forbes ◦Dow Surges to Fresh All-Time High on Trump-Fueled Momentum” –Fox Business Following Donald Trump’s surprise victory and the violent market reactions, many investors are left scratching their heads. As shown above, the consensus narrative warned that a Trump victory would spell doom for the markets. Days later, the narrative flipped and Trump’s economic policies, all of which were known prior to the election, are deemed beneficial for share prices. In this article we evaluate the narratives we see day-to-day and how they not only tell a story, true or false, but provide comfort and, importantly, a sense of control. We then explore the current mar-ket narrative calling Trump’s victory bullish for share prices. We hope to provide cognizance of the influence of narratives and to offer a basis to help investors judge whether the markets’ reaction is justified. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-29/narrative-every-season-stocks-and-after-trump yes. Similar dire warnings were given before the brexit vote happened too. England is still afloat, meteors have not struck AND commerce still occurs in england. Farage predicted similar dire warnings before the US vote when touring with Trump.

Yes and yes again.

The powers that be want to frighten people with stories of disasters delivered by "experts" to steer public opinion along the lines that they want.

Iceland was warned that if it did not heed international conventions and repay a 50 billion debt that the country would be finished. A debt that was created by international bankers gambling in Iceland's economy.
  The people of Iceland rose up and took control. Wrote off the debt and put those collaborators in jail. Iceland has had a growth rate since that would be the envy of most first world countries. People power works!
  Slowly American are beginning to see what has happened to their country and their not happy. Trumps election was a rebellion against the corrupt establishment.

Obama is handing over a healthy economy to Trump.

AiA wrote on Dec 1^st, 2016 at 12:07am:

Obama is handing over a healthy economy to Trump.

Healthy economy - you must be joking? Most people around here are earning $8.70/hour and that's if their enough lucky to have a job. The unemployment figures are a lie. Property prices have not risen since 2008. Federal debt is almost 20 trillion!

What has Obama done? Except for obsessing over transgender issues - very little. The guy is a fake a fraud! Practices giving speeches in front of a mirror using a teleprompter. Hes a cutout president. A very bad joke. A creation of the CIA and George Soros.

Trump is illustrating the difference between him and Obama. Trumps working on the economy looking for solutions and Obama? Playing golf and campaigning for Hillary or was. Just a puppet for the globalists - he had no idea.

AIA - I'm getting sick of your unsubstantiated nonsense you write hear.

GET A JOB!

Hmm ^^^ I was here in the USA in 2007 when the housing bubble burst and in 2008 when the bottom fell out. Were you? I am still here. And employed. There is no need to provide economic data because the health of the economy is obvious to everyone except you. But I will make an exception for you:

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/heres-the-verdict-on-that-terrible-obama-economy-2016-11-30

the details of Trump's genius PR move with Carrier deal are slowly coming to light:

Mike Pence has been negotiating with Carrier and has offered them a bunch of new incentives to stay where they are. He was able to do this because he will be governor of Indiana, where the plant is, a few more weeks.

Carrier has agreed to keep 1,000 jobs in the US. The other 1,100 jobs, apparently, will still be lost to Mexico.

We don't know yet what incentives Pence has promised, but it's worth noting that this sort of thing is really nothing new. It is done all the time. Again, Trump was only able to pull this off because his VP is also governor of Indiana.

Compared to Carrier's 1,000 jobs, Obama's auto bailout saved something like 250,000 jobs at GM and Chrysler, and 1-2 million total jobs throughout the entire automotive supply chain.

AiA wrote on Dec 1^st, 2016 at 3:48am:

the details of Trump's genius PR move with Carrier deal are slowly coming to light: Mike Pence has been negotiating with Carrier and has offered them a bunch of new incentives to stay where they are. He was able to do this because he will be governor of Indiana, where the plant is, a few more weeks. Carrier has agreed to keep 1,000 jobs in the US. The other 1,100 jobs, apparently, will still be lost to Mexico. We don't know yet what incentives Pence has promised, but it's worth noting that this sort of thing is really nothing new. It is done all the time. Again, Trump was only able to pull this off because his VP is also governor of Indiana. Compared to Carrier's 1,000 jobs, Obama's auto bailout saved something like 250,000 jobs at GM and Chrysler, and 1-2 million total jobs throughout the entire automotive supply chain.

That is called opinion, nobody bailed out Ford and it came back at least as well as GM without a government takeover. Obama did get his revenge against the jokesters by destroying Pontiac. Poor Old N..... Thinks Its A Cadillac.

Just keep sipping the Kool Aid.

Poor Mortie has wasted almost a decade of his life attacking Obama with nothing to show for it. The birther nonsense, the POTUS being a Muslim, the "Death Panels", "taking away all our guns" ... admit it, Mortie, you fell for all of it.

I give credit to Trump for being a master persuader, yet you can't even give Obama, who could have easily won a third term, credit where credit is due. 

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwzhA0lXEAAbYtO.jpg

Richdude wrote on Dec 1^st, 2016 at 1:16am:

AiA wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 12:07am: Obama is handing over a healthy economy to Trump. Healthy economy - you must be joking? Most people around here are earning $8.70/hour and that's if their enough lucky to have a job. The unemployment figures are a lie. Property prices have not risen since 2008. Federal debt is almost 20 trillion! What has Obama done? Except for obsessing over transgender issues - very little. The guy is a fake a fraud! Practices giving speeches in front of a mirror using a teleprompter. Hes a cutout president. A very bad joke. A creation of the CIA and George Soros. Trump is illustrating the difference between him and Obama. Trumps working on the economy looking for solutions and Obama? Playing golf and campaigning for Hillary or was. Just a puppet for the globalists - he had no idea. AIA - I'm getting sick of your unsubstantiated nonsense you write hear. GET A JOB!

X 2

Trump's main purpose is to shift the Overton Window. He has already achieved this to a certain degree. If he can keep shifting it then he has exceeded all expectations.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 1^st, 2016 at 11:04am:

Trump's main purpose is to shift the Overton Window. He has already achieved this to a certain degree. If he can keep shifting it then he has exceeded all expectations.

I thought he hired non-union Polish labourers to do that, Mistie.

Are you sure his main purpose isn't to ban the tinted races? 

Every day reveals just a bit more:  Trump DID not stand up to Carrier but simply gave in to their demands ...

AFP:

US President-elect Donald Trump on Thursday warned American firms wanting to relocate abroad that they will face punishment, as he announced a deal with air conditioning manufacturer Carrier to keep jobs in the country.

"Companies are not going to leave the United States any more without consequences. Not going to happen," Trump told workers at the Carrier plant in Indianapolis in his first major public remarks since winning the White House.

"They can leave from state to state, and negotiate deals with different states, but leaving the country will be very, very difficult," Trump added.

During the presidential campaign, the Republican billionaire threatened to slap tariffs on firms that decamped for places like Mexico or Asia where labor costs are cheaper. It became a repeated refrain of his victorious campaign.

Trump specifically singled out Carrier, a brand of United Technologies Corporation, saying he had been encouraging the company not to shift thousands of jobs to Mexico.

If they did, he said his administration would impose major tariffs on Carrier products as they made their way back into the United States.

"But I called Greg (Hayes, UTC's chairman) and I said it's really important, we have to do something because you have a lot of people leaving and you have to understand we can't allow this to happen anymore with our country," Trump said as he recalled an early exchange with the firm's top executive.

Under a deal hammered out with the help of Vice President-elect Mike Pence, who is Indiana's outgoing governor, the state offered Carrier $7 million in incentives over 10 years, "contingent upon factors including employment, job retention and capital investment," the company said in a statement.

Pence said the deal will keep about 1,100 jobs in "the heart of the heartland."

"This is a great day for Indiana and it's a great day for working people all across the United States of America," Pence said.

The deal is seen as an extraordinary industry intervention by a president-elect.

His supporters have described it as the first tangible part of Trump's jobs creation plan.

But liberal Senator Bernie Sanders, who challenged Hillary Clinton for the 2016 Democratic presidential nomination, said the deal should worry Americans.

Carrier "took Trump hostage and won," Sanders said in an op-ed he wrote for The Washington Post.

Trump "endangered" other US jobs, Sanders said, "because he has signalled to every corporation in America that they can threaten to offshore jobs in exchange for business-friendly tax benefits and incentives."

bogarde73 wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2016 at 9:34am:

AFP: US President-elect Donald Trump on Thursday warned American firms wanting to relocate abroad that they will face punishment, as he announced a deal with air conditioning manufacturer Carrier to keep jobs in the country. "Companies are not going to leave the United States any more without consequences. Not going to happen," Trump told workers at the Carrier plant in Indianapolis in his first major public remarks since winning the White House. "They can leave from state to state, and negotiate deals with different states, but leaving the country will be very, very difficult," Trump added. During the presidential campaign, the Republican billionaire threatened to slap tariffs on firms that decamped for places like Mexico or Asia where labor costs are cheaper. It became a repeated refrain of his victorious campaign. Trump specifically singled out Carrier, a brand of United Technologies Corporation, saying he had been encouraging the company not to shift thousands of jobs to Mexico. If they did, he said his administration would impose major tariffs on Carrier products as they made their way back into the United States. "But I called Greg (Hayes, UTC's chairman) and I said it's really important, we have to do something because you have a lot of people leaving and you have to understand we can't allow this to happen anymore with our country," Trump said as he recalled an early exchange with the firm's top executive. Under a deal hammered out with the help of Vice President-elect Mike Pence, who is Indiana's outgoing governor, the state offered Carrier $7 million in incentives over 10 years, "contingent upon factors including employment, job retention and capital investment," the company said in a statement. Pence said the deal will keep about 1,100 jobs in "the heart of the heartland." "This is a great day for Indiana and it's a great day for working people all across the United States of America," Pence said. The deal is seen as an extraordinary industry intervention by a president-elect. His supporters have described it as the first tangible part of Trump's jobs creation plan. But liberal Senator Bernie Sanders, who challenged Hillary Clinton for the 2016 Democratic presidential nomination, said the deal should worry Americans. Carrier "took Trump hostage and won," Sanders said in an op-ed he wrote for The Washington Post. Trump "endangered" other US jobs, Sanders said, "because he has signalled to every corporation in America that they can threaten to offshore jobs in exchange for business-friendly tax benefits and incentives."

AFP?

https://youtu.be/J1YG2rpDGd0

Full Speech: President Elect Trump Carrier Plant Announcement 12/1/16

TRUMP is terrific

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 11:47am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 11:26am: agnes - http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/29/business/trump-to-announce-carrier-plant-will-keep-jobs-in-us.html?_r=0 Quote: ........................Mr. Trump will be hard-pressed to alter the economic forces that have hammered the Rust Belt for decades, but forcing Carrier and its parent company, United Technologies, to reverse course is a powerful tactical strike that will rally his base even before he takes office. In exchange for keeping the factory running in Indianapolis, Mr. Trump and Mr. Pence are expected to reiterate their campaign pledges to be friendlier to business by easing regulations and overhauling the corporate tax code. ......... This is a good result for the US But how long will it last? Clearly Carrier is simply delaying its move in the expectation that Trump will deliver on his tax-cut proposals. And when he fails to do so, Carrier will move then. And given that Trump wants to literally disband the Environmental Protection Agency, be very fearful of what 'less regulation' might mean. Dumping toxic waste without oversight is certainly cheaper. Less stringent emission standards on cars will also make them cheaper. But do you really want that?

is longy concerned about emission standards all of a sudden?


is longy concerned about emission standards all of a sudden?


is longy concerned about emission standards all of a sudden?


is longy concerned about emission standards all of a sudden?


is longy concerned about emission standards all of a sudden?

'..... It's really important, you have to do something because you have a lot of people leaving and you have to understand, we can't allow this to happen anymore with our country.
So many jobs are leaving and going to other countries ........

........ Greg, you gotta help us out here, you gotta sit down and do something because we just can't let it happen ..........'

Yes.
It's 'backs to the wall' fighting for the US and for Aust.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 1^st, 2016 at 11:04am:

Trump's main purpose is to shift the Overton Window. He has already achieved this to a certain degree. If he can keep shifting it then he has exceeded all expectations.

Lol, like seriously: is that even a comment!

capitosinora wrote on Dec 1^st, 2016 at 7:51am:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwzhA0lXEAAbYtO.jpg

What a glib comment: death  ::) ::)

Fuzzball wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 1:20pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 1:01pm: Fuzzball wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 12:52pm: Well done Mr Trump, won't be long before you're President Trump. ;) Exactly. The illegitimate president Trump. The game's rigged, Matty. Trump told us this himself. You're a f@#$ing monkey spanker.......silly be_atch.....

Fireball thinks Trump is pro-Turnbull  :D :D :D :D :D :D

John Smith wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 2:34pm:

Has Thrump told carrier he will subsidise them? surely the free market brigade is opposed to such a move? :D :D

WHAT FREE-MARKET BRIGADE: OH, YOU MEAN THE FAUX DADDY LOVERS WHO SPIT WHEN MOMMY AINT LOOKING  :D :D :D :D :D :D  ;D

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2016 at 6:36pm:

'..... It's really important, you have to do something because you have a lot of people leaving and you have to understand, we can't allow this to happen anymore with our country. So many jobs are leaving and going to other countries ........ ........ Greg, you gotta help us out here, you gotta sit down and do something because we just can't let it happen ..........' Yes. It's 'backs to the wall' fighting for the US and for Aust.

yep, you listen to 1/2 of that speech.

If I was an American and was getting A/C fitted, it would be a Carrier.

There is no discussion about it.

AiA wrote on Dec 1^st, 2016 at 2:28am:

Hmm ^^^ I was here in the USA in 2007 when the housing bubble burst and in 2008 when the bottom fell out. Were you? I am still here. And employed. There is no need to provide economic data because the health of the economy is obvious to everyone except you. But I will make an exception for you: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/heres-the-verdict-on-that-terrible-obama-economy-2016-11-30

You aren't the mob and the mob rules?

Why were you there?

::)

Oh Yes

'.......... Companies are NOT going to leave the United States without consequence............'

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2016 at 6:47pm:

Oh Yes '.......... Companies are NOT going to leave the United States without consequence............'

So what do you think Trump is going to do? He cant stop them leaving and if he puts on tariffs other countries will retaliate the same.  You seem to live in the world of delusion that Trumpites live in that the President can do what he wants and without repercussions. You are going to have a very disappointing and embarrassing 4 years as you watch him achieve nothing other than economic turmoil and probably recession.

TheFunPolice wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2016 at 6:35pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 11:47am: Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 11:26am: agnes - http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/29/business/trump-to-announce-carrier-plant-will-keep-jobs-in-us.html?_r=0 Quote: ........................Mr. Trump will be hard-pressed to alter the economic forces that have hammered the Rust Belt for decades, but forcing Carrier and its parent company, United Technologies, to reverse course is a powerful tactical strike that will rally his base even before he takes office. In exchange for keeping the factory running in Indianapolis, Mr. Trump and Mr. Pence are expected to reiterate their campaign pledges to be friendlier to business by easing regulations and overhauling the corporate tax code. ......... This is a good result for the US But how long will it last? Clearly Carrier is simply delaying its move in the expectation that Trump will deliver on his tax-cut proposals. And when he fails to do so, Carrier will move then. And given that Trump wants to literally disband the Environmental Protection Agency, be very fearful of what 'less regulation' might mean. Dumping toxic waste without oversight is certainly cheaper. Less stringent emission standards on cars will also make them cheaper. But do you really want that? is longy concerned about emission standards all of a sudden? is longy concerned about emission standards all of a sudden? is longy concerned about emission standards all of a sudden? is longy concerned about emission standards all of a sudden? is longy concerned about emission standards all of a sudden?

I know, Death. I'm surprised too.

Maybe Longy studied year 9 science.

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2016 at 7:10pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 2nd, 2016 at 6:47pm: Oh Yes '.......... Companies are NOT going to leave the United States without consequence............' So what do you think Trump is going to do? He cant stop them leaving and if he puts on tariffs other countries will retaliate the same.  You seem to live in the world of delusion that Trumpites live in that the President can do what he wants and without repercussions. You are going to have a very disappointing and embarrassing 4 years as you watch him achieve nothing other than economic turmoil and probably recession.

Alas, Longy, you seem to live in the world of delusion that Sprint will understand any of your post.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Nx-41b7A8M

Carrier employee thanks President-elect Trump

Here is what Trump delivered for the US:

"In exchange for tax breaks that will cost the state of Indiana $700,000 a year for an unspecified number of years, Carrier will keep 850 manufacturing jobs in the state, along with 300 headquarters and engineering jobs that slated to move to North Carolina. About 1,300 jobs will still relocate to the glorious workers’ paradise of Mexico."

And I still give Trump credit for an amazing PR stunt. The man is truly a Master Persuader.

TheFunPolice wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2016 at 6:37pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 11:04am: Trump's main purpose is to shift the Overton Window. He has already achieved this to a certain degree. If he can keep shifting it then he has exceeded all expectations. Lol, like seriously: is that even a comment!

It's an insight that many overlook. He's already made it acceptable to criticise many pet leftard topics. A simple example was Dutton coming out the other day stating the importation of Lebanese was a mistake. He wouldn't have said this pre Trump. And what about Thwaites taking Labor MP Butler to court? Would he have bothered pre Trump? I doubt it. Moreover, the entire 'identity politics' movement is being questioned.

AiA wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2016 at 12:52am:

Here is what Trump delivered for the US: "In exchange for tax breaks that will cost the state of Indiana $700,000 a year for an unspecified number of years, Carrier will keep 850 manufacturing jobs in the state, along with 300 headquarters and engineering jobs that slated to move to North Carolina. About 1,300 jobs will still relocate to the glorious workers’ paradise of Mexico." And I still give Trump credit for an amazing PR stunt. The man is truly a Master Persuader.

Why should anyone believe a leftard like Gary Legum?

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2016 at 1:03am:

AiA wrote on Dec 3rd, 2016 at 12:52am: Here is what Trump delivered for the US: "In exchange for tax breaks that will cost the state of Indiana $700,000 a year for an unspecified number of years, Carrier will keep 850 manufacturing jobs in the state, along with 300 headquarters and engineering jobs that slated to move to North Carolina. About 1,300 jobs will still relocate to the glorious workers’ paradise of Mexico." And I still give Trump credit for an amazing PR stunt. The man is truly a Master Persuader. Why should anyone believe a leftard like Gary Legum?

Please point out any factual errors. I would like to know.

The article your quote is from, and the several articles it is linked to, doesn't rely on anything other than Legum's word and some supposed source, which doesn't elaborate either.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2016 at 1:36am:

The article your quote is from, and the several articles it is linked to, doesn't rely on anything other than Legum's word and some supposed source, which doesn't elaborate either.

Are you saying there is no massive tax break? Are you saying that the number of jobs moving to Mexico is greater or lesser than what was reported?

AiA wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2016 at 2:49am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 3rd, 2016 at 1:36am: The article your quote is from, and the several articles it is linked to, doesn't rely on anything other than Legum's word and some supposed source, which doesn't elaborate either. Are you saying there is no massive tax break? Are you saying that the number of jobs moving to Mexico is greater or lesser than what was reported?

I am saying I don't trust Legum. He has about a dozen or so anti-Trump articles. He's not balanced enough to be trusted. 

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2016 at 6:47pm:

Oh Yes '.......... Companies are NOT going to leave the United States without consequence............'

Boy howdy! Trump did nothing more than make another lame publicity stunt made possible by a bribe paid to Carrier. Carrier is fully committed to offshoring its production and will do so. ALL of the jobs "saved" will be gone within 2 years.

You gullible Trumptard hippies. Keep on posting your crap.

Marla wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2016 at 12:53pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 2nd, 2016 at 6:47pm: Oh Yes '.......... Companies are NOT going to leave the United States without consequence............' Boy howdy! Trump did nothing more than make another lame publicity stunt made possible by a bribe paid to Carrier. Carrier is fully committed to offshoring its production and will do so. ALL of the jobs "saved" will be gone within 2 years. You gullible Trumptard hippies. Keep on posting your crap.

Well, they can start selling into Cuba, then.


The point is not that jobs will never be lost in the US. The point is that you cannot sacrifice US jobs, move offshore and then sell back tariff free.

Trump is not that different to Sanders on this:

There are many corporations who have turned their backs on the American worker, who have said, if I can make another nickel in profit by going to China and shutting down in the United States of America, that's what I will do. I will do my best to transform our trade policy and take on these corporations who want to invest in low-income countries around the world rather than in the United States of America.

Priority of trade deals should be helping American workers
Bernie Sanders believes that the top priority of any trade deal should be to help American workers. Unfortunately, as Bernie has warned year after year, American trade policy over the last 30 years has done just the opposite. Multinational corporations- who have helped to write most of these trade deals--have benefited greatly while millions of American jobs have been shipped overseas. American trade policy should place the needs of American workers and small businesses first.

http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Bernie_Sanders_Free_Trade.htm


If Bernie says it -good. If Trump says it - bad.

That's how stupid you are.

Frank wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2016 at 1:42pm:

The point is not that jobs will never be lost in the US. The point is that you cannot sacrifice US jobs, move offshore and then sell back tariff free. Trump is not that different to Sanders on this: There are many corporations who have turned their backs on the American worker, who have said, if I can make another nickel in profit by going to China and shutting down in the United States of America, that's what I will do. I will do my best to transform our trade policy and take on these corporations who want to invest in low-income countries around the world rather than in the United States of America. Priority of trade deals should be helping American workers Bernie Sanders believes that the top priority of any trade deal should be to help American workers. Unfortunately, as Bernie has warned year after year, American trade policy over the last 30 years has done just the opposite. Multinational corporations- who have helped to write most of these trade deals--have benefited greatly while millions of American jobs have been shipped overseas. American trade policy should place the needs of American workers and small businesses first. http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Bernie_Sanders_Free_Trade.htm If Bernie says it -good. If Trump says it - bad. That's how stupid you are.

Well, well, well look at you with your Brietbart information. Both Sanders and Trump were running on trade wars so what's your god damn point, Trumptard? Strange how Grumpy Trumpy Trump is following the advice of Sanders right to the heart of CEO of United Technologies that "if his firm wants to receive another defense contract from the taxpayers of this country, it must not move these plants to Mexico.” Trump, as usual, is clueless.

Grumpy Trumpy - just like Obama - will bugger over the working class paying higher taxes and these employees will pay a price for these jobs to stay. Plus they know their wage cuts are coming also thanks to Trump.

Next time Trumptard hippie, try to have an argument not some Brietbart rehash.

Frank wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2016 at 1:42pm:

Marla wrote on Dec 3rd, 2016 at 12:53pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 2nd, 2016 at 6:47pm: Oh Yes '.......... Companies are NOT going to leave the United States without consequence............' Boy howdy! Trump did nothing more than make another lame publicity stunt made possible by a bribe paid to Carrier. Carrier is fully committed to offshoring its production and will do so. ALL of the jobs "saved" will be gone within 2 years. You gullible Trumptard hippies. Keep on posting your crap. Well, they can start selling into Cuba, then. The point is not that jobs will never be lost in the US. The point is that you cannot sacrifice US jobs, move offshore and then sell back tariff free. Trump is not that different to Sanders on this: There are many corporations who have turned their backs on the American worker, who have said, if I can make another nickel in profit by going to China and shutting down in the United States of America, that's what I will do. I will do my best to transform our trade policy and take on these corporations who want to invest in low-income countries around the world rather than in the United States of America. Priority of trade deals should be helping American workers Bernie Sanders believes that the top priority of any trade deal should be to help American workers. Unfortunately, as Bernie has warned year after year, American trade policy over the last 30 years has done just the opposite. Multinational corporations- who have helped to write most of these trade deals--have benefited greatly while millions of American jobs have been shipped overseas. American trade policy should place the needs of American workers and small businesses first. http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Bernie_Sanders_Free_Trade.htm If Bernie says it -good. If Trump says it - bad. That's how stupid you are.

I look forward to Trump trying to put import tariffs on Apple products. Apple will simply donate enough of its $150B IN CASH to demolish republicans next time around and/or move to canada and cost Trump about $50B a year in taxes. 

And can you imagine the size of the backlash if Apple products were made 45% more expensive in USA? 

Trump's delivery: taxpayers subsidizing multinational corporations making huge profits in order to beg them to keep jobs in America.

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2016 at 5:02pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 3rd, 2016 at 1:42pm: Marla wrote on Dec 3rd, 2016 at 12:53pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 2nd, 2016 at 6:47pm: Oh Yes '.......... Companies are NOT going to leave the United States without consequence............' Boy howdy! Trump did nothing more than make another lame publicity stunt made possible by a bribe paid to Carrier. Carrier is fully committed to offshoring its production and will do so. ALL of the jobs "saved" will be gone within 2 years. You gullible Trumptard hippies. Keep on posting your crap. Well, they can start selling into Cuba, then. The point is not that jobs will never be lost in the US. The point is that you cannot sacrifice US jobs, move offshore and then sell back tariff free. Trump is not that different to Sanders on this: There are many corporations who have turned their backs on the American worker, who have said, if I can make another nickel in profit by going to China and shutting down in the United States of America, that's what I will do. I will do my best to transform our trade policy and take on these corporations who want to invest in low-income countries around the world rather than in the United States of America. Priority of trade deals should be helping American workers Bernie Sanders believes that the top priority of any trade deal should be to help American workers. Unfortunately, as Bernie has warned year after year, American trade policy over the last 30 years has done just the opposite. Multinational corporations- who have helped to write most of these trade deals--have benefited greatly while millions of American jobs have been shipped overseas. American trade policy should place the needs of American workers and small businesses first. http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Bernie_Sanders_Free_Trade.htm If Bernie says it -good. If Trump says it - bad. That's how stupid you are. I look forward to Trump trying to put import tariffs on Apple products. Apple will simply donate enough of its $150B IN CASH to demolish republicans next time around and/or move to canada and cost Trump about $50B a year in taxes.  And can you imagine the size of the backlash if Apple products were made 45% more expensive in USA?

;D ;D ;D

IMAGINE!!!!!!!


Apple will just have to decide how important the US market is to it, won't they? 

You guys, until now the greatest friends of the working man,  all of a sudden sound like 19th century robber capitalists who insist that thinking of the good of the working man is the end of the world!!!!!

AiA wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2016 at 7:15pm:

Trump's delivery: taxpayers subsidizing multinational corporations making huge profits in order to beg them to keep jobs in America.

Yep, pretty much how America was "great again."

Lookie who Grumpy Trumpy put on his "economic policy" which is nothing more than capitalist Wall Street crooks who know what makes America "great" is a corporate America:

Jamie Dimon of JPMorgan Chase; Laurence Fink of BlackRock, another huge hedge fund fraud; Mary Barra of General Motors (who somehow avoided criminal prosecution knowing that many of their poo cars were defective); Doug McMillion, President and CEO of Wal-Mart Stores (oh, and good friend of Hillary Clinton); Adebayo Ogunlesi, lead independent director of Goldman Sachs (who buggered over the working class of America); Bob Iger of Walt Disney Co.; Ginni Rometty, CEO of IBM; former Boeing CEO Jim McNerney; and former General Electric CEO Jack Welch.

All corrupt to their capitalist core.


https://cdn.vectorstock.com/i/thumb-large/58/98/11505898.jpg

Marla wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2016 at 2:37pm:

Grumpy Trumpy - just like Obama - will bugger over the working class paying higher taxes and these employees will pay a price for these jobs to stay. Plus they know their wage cuts are coming also thanks to Trump. Next time Trumptard hippie, try to have an argument not some Brietbart rehash.

Almost everything you say is nothing but speculation and Crystal Ball prognostications and Nostradamus projections for the future.

Any damned fool can sit back and paint scenarios that haven't yet arrived and which may never materialise.

Inventing fictitious future scenarios is literally child's-play and nothing but finger-painting according to your mood or political biasses.

Please tidy up your act, Marla-the-Moonwalker, and get back to us when you've got something with a little more factual bones to it than mere wishful thinking.

Meanwhile, Enjoy the Rest of your Day, bitch!

Oh, and Happy Thanksgiving Day.  :)

Frank wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2016 at 7:33pm:

;D ;D ;D IMAGINE!!!!!!! Apple will just have to decide how important the US market is to it, won't they?  You guys, until now the greatest friends of the working man,  all of a sudden sound like 19th century robber capitalists who insist that thinking of the good of the working man is the end of the world!!!!!

Post of the Day.

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 4^th, 2016 at 5:24am:

[ Almost everything you say is nothing but speculation and Crystal Ball prognostications and Nostradamus projections for the future. Any damned fool can sit back and paint scenarios that haven't yet arrived and which may never materialise. Inventing fictitious future scenarios is literally child's-play and nothing but finger-painting according to your mood or political biasses. Please tidy up your act, Marla-the-Moonwalker, and get back to us when you've got something with a little more factual bones to it than mere wishful thinking. Meanwhile, Enjoy the Rest of your Day, bitch! Oh, and Happy Thanksgiving Day.  :)

White male entitlement, everybody.

Marla wrote on Dec 4^th, 2016 at 6:13am:

White male entitlement, everybody.

You still haven't told us who you voted for. Have the courage of your convictions and spill the beanz.

It was Trump, wasn't it - as the lesser of two evils?

Trump just might surprise all of us once he's sitting at that desk in the Oval Office. The pundits are saying he'll be pulling his head in and will not be anything like the flamboyant showman he's been on the hustings once he realises the appalling responsibilities he has taken upon himself as Prez of the US.

His election has already been a phenomenal 'Stranger than Fiction' event that will no doubt see him in next year's edition of 'Believe it or Not!' - and so it's not impossible that he may settle down to being just yet another run-of-the-mill politician in the White House.

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 4^th, 2016 at 6:46am:

Marla wrote on Dec 4th, 2016 at 6:13am: White male entitlement, everybody. You still haven't told us who you voted for. Have the courage of your convictions and spill the beanz.

Never going to happen.




Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 4^th, 2016 at 6:46am:

Trump just might surprise all of us once he's sitting at that desk in the Oval Office. The pundits are saying he'll be pulling his head in and will not be anything like the flamboyant showman he's been on the hustings once he realizes the appalling responsibilities he has taken upon himself as Prez of the US.

Trump is a severely mentally ill headcase. He is an self-aggrandizing asshole upon which he really demonstrated himself Cincinnati, Ohio, where he once again engaged his tongue with endless social demagogy, claiming to defend the “American worker and flat wages are not going to be the new normal.”

Yet, his "economic panel" consists of nothing but corrupt capitalist Wall Street CEOs whose own personal wealth is bound up directly with slashing jobs and wages of the working class.

Trump played to media once more with his usual bullshit calming he "saved" of the jobs of 1,100 workers at the Carrier plant in Indianapolis. He even claims it as a "victory"  when the brutal truth of his core economic program is to advance a $6 trillion tax cut for the wealthy and his capitalist big business butt buddies.

Trump is only doing this for one thing and one thing only: to gain more of his personal wealth and supposed business acumen. He has nothing else to offer anyone. He never did. He never will. Only white male entitlement would buy into such nonsense most of which are working people who have still not recovered from the impact of the 2008 Wall Street disaster.

http://d.christianpost.com/full/100771/img.jpg

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 4^th, 2016 at 5:31am:

Frank wrote on Dec 3rd, 2016 at 7:33pm: ;D ;D ;D IMAGINE!!!!!!! Apple will just have to decide how important the US market is to it, won't they?  You guys, until now the greatest friends of the working man,  all of a sudden sound like 19th century robber capitalists who insist that thinking of the good of the working man is the end of the world!!!!! Post of the Day.

Yes in the category of dumb.

Is that Donald ?

http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/ac1394dbdcca6a36cbf486633b129cd813095ac3/r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/USATODAY/promo/2013/02/06/posttrucks-4_3.jpg
The only delivery possible under his administration

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2016 at 5:02pm:

I look forward to Trump trying to put import tariffs on Apple products. Apple will simply donate enough of its $150B IN CASH to demolish republicans next time around and/or move to canada and cost Trump about $50B a year in taxes.  And can you imagine the size of the backlash if Apple products were made 45% more expensive in USA?

True.

And it has to be remembered, of course, that the Chinese and Mexico didn't steal US jobs... They were given to them by Americans.

The only way Trump could have them returned is by morphing into a latter-day New Dealer...

If that happens, it will be the greatest irony (or U-turn) in US political history...

He (like Roosevelt before him) will need to 'punish the economic royalists'.

Frank wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2016 at 7:33pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2016 at 5:02pm: Frank wrote on Dec 3rd, 2016 at 1:42pm: Marla wrote on Dec 3rd, 2016 at 12:53pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 2nd, 2016 at 6:47pm: Oh Yes '.......... Companies are NOT going to leave the United States without consequence............' Boy howdy! Trump did nothing more than make another lame publicity stunt made possible by a bribe paid to Carrier. Carrier is fully committed to offshoring its production and will do so. ALL of the jobs "saved" will be gone within 2 years. You gullible Trumptard hippies. Keep on posting your crap. Well, they can start selling into Cuba, then. The point is not that jobs will never be lost in the US. The point is that you cannot sacrifice US jobs, move offshore and then sell back tariff free. Trump is not that different to Sanders on this: There are many corporations who have turned their backs on the American worker, who have said, if I can make another nickel in profit by going to China and shutting down in the United States of America, that's what I will do. I will do my best to transform our trade policy and take on these corporations who want to invest in low-income countries around the world rather than in the United States of America. Priority of trade deals should be helping American workers Bernie Sanders believes that the top priority of any trade deal should be to help American workers. Unfortunately, as Bernie has warned year after year, American trade policy over the last 30 years has done just the opposite. Multinational corporations- who have helped to write most of these trade deals--have benefited greatly while millions of American jobs have been shipped overseas. American trade policy should place the needs of American workers and small businesses first. http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Bernie_Sanders_Free_Trade.htm If Bernie says it -good. If Trump says it - bad. That's how stupid you are. I look forward to Trump trying to put import tariffs on Apple products. Apple will simply donate enough of its $150B IN CASH to demolish republicans next time around and/or move to canada and cost Trump about $50B a year in taxes.  And can you imagine the size of the backlash if Apple products were made 45% more expensive in USA?  ;D ;D ;D IMAGINE!!!!!!! Apple will just have to decide how important the US market is to it, won't they?  You guys, until now the greatest friends of the working man,  all of a sudden sound like 19th century robber capitalists who insist that thinking of the good of the working man is the end of the world!!!!!

you mean the GLOBAL market right? Do yuo think there might be a problem if their global products rise by 45%?  You think that might not lead to very large sales jobs and... job losses?

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 4^th, 2016 at 5:46pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2016 at 5:02pm: I look forward to Trump trying to put import tariffs on Apple products. Apple will simply donate enough of its $150B IN CASH to demolish republicans next time around and/or move to canada and cost Trump about $50B a year in taxes.  And can you imagine the size of the backlash if Apple products were made 45% more expensive in USA?  True. And it has to be remembered, of course, that the Chinese and Mexico didn't steal US jobs... They were given to them by Americans. The only way Trump could have them returned is by morphing into a latter-day New Dealer... If that happens, it will be the greatest irony (or U-turn) in US political history... He (like Roosevelt before him) will need to 'punish the economic royalists'.

Trump will end up doing exactly NOTHING. All of his bright ideas are beyond stupid and someone will end up telling him exactly why.

Go Trump.

capitosinora wrote on Dec 4^th, 2016 at 6:35pm:

Go Trump.

to jail?
to bankruptcy court?
to hell?


any more???

Quote:

Dow posts best week since 2011 after Donald Trump election win U.S. equities closed mostly higher on Friday, with the three major indexes posting their best weekly gains of the year on the back of a surprise Republican sweep. "I think you're seeing a transition from a government that had its thumb on growth to a free economy," said Bruce Bittles, chief investment strategist at Baird. "We're now looking at an economy that can reach its full potential." The Dow Jones industrial average closed about 37 points higher, with Goldman Sachs contributing the most gains. For the week, the Dow rose around 5.4 percent, marking its best weekly performance since December 2011..............

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/11/us-markets.html

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 4^th, 2016 at 7:08pm:

Quote: Dow posts best week since 2011 after Donald Trump election win U.S. equities closed mostly higher on Friday, with the three major indexes posting their best weekly gains of the year on the back of a surprise Republican sweep. "I think you're seeing a transition from a government that had its thumb on growth to a free economy," said Bruce Bittles, chief investment strategist at Baird. "We're now looking at an economy that can reach its full potential." The Dow Jones industrial average closed about 37 points higher, with Goldman Sachs contributing the most gains. For the week, the Dow rose around 5.4 percent, marking its best weekly performance since December 2011.............. http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/11/us-markets.html

Obama did even better when he was elected but before taking office. 

next try...

Quote:

Consumer confidence rose more than previously reported to a six-month high in November, showing Americans became more optimistic about their finances and the economy after Donald Trump won the presidential election. The University of Michigan said Wednesday that its final index of sentiment rose to 93.8 from 87.2 in October, after a preliminary reading of 91.6 that reflected pre-election views. The split was stark between respondents in the month’s survey before and after the Nov. 8 vote, with sentiment rising 8.2 points in the post-election group from the pre-election cohort. The lift suggests that Americans were heartened on the whole by Trump’s victory over Democrat Hillary Clinton, with broad gains in confidence across incomes, ages and regions, according to the report. At the same time, the increase may reflect a “honeymoon” period that could fade unless actual economic conditions improve, said Richard Curtin, director of the Michigan survey.......

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-23/consumer-sentiment-in-u-s-jumps-after-trump-election-victory

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 4^th, 2016 at 7:16pm:

Quote: The lift suggests that Americans were heartened on the whole by Trump’s victory over Democrat Hillary Clinton, with broad gains in confidence across incomes, ages and regions, according to the report. At the same time, the increase may reflect a “honeymoon” period that could fade unless actual economic conditions improve, said Richard Curtin, director of the Michigan survey....... https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-23/consumer-sentiment-in-u-s-jumps-after-trump-election-victory

Feeling good that quick?

Honeymooners? Or political heroin addicts.

At least it shows that many people are not out there rioting in the streets, so that has to be a good thing, wouldn't you say north by north? Or would you prefer that.
Maybe you should send a contribution to the Trump assassination fund like the good little "democrat" you are.

bogarde73 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2016 at 6:27am:

At least it shows that many people are not out there rioting in the streets, so that has to be a good thing, wouldn't you say north by north? Or would you prefer that. Maybe you should send a contribution to the Trump assassination fund like the good little "democrat" you are.

A few people are feeling smug and warm about a new president so has literally dont nothing so far. The crowds loved Trunbull too remember - untill he actually had to do something (or not). Reality can be a bitch.

Actually delivered nothing. Carrier will get benefits in tax cuts if indeed Trump can deliver on that.

There is no evidence that those 'saved' jobs won't disappear as soon as the smoke clears and the media are back at their studios.

In the meantime Carrier may suffer some business decline while it awaits destiny.

bogarde73 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2016 at 6:27am:

At least it shows that many people are not out there rioting in the streets, so that has to be a good thing, wouldn't you say north by north? Or would you prefer that. Maybe you should send a contribution to the Trump assassination fund like the good little "democrat" you are.

You gotta wonder why people are so paranoid about Trump?
You have to be stupid or ignorant to believe the nonsense that MSM puts out about him. They label him with every ist or ism there is in the dictionary.

Hey you anti Trumpers! What's the source of your paranoia? Be honest now!

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 4^th, 2016 at 6:32pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 4th, 2016 at 5:46pm: longweekend58 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2016 at 5:02pm: I look forward to Trump trying to put import tariffs on Apple products. Apple will simply donate enough of its $150B IN CASH to demolish republicans next time around and/or move to canada and cost Trump about $50B a year in taxes.  And can you imagine the size of the backlash if Apple products were made 45% more expensive in USA?  True. And it has to be remembered, of course, that the Chinese and Mexico didn't steal US jobs... They were given to them by Americans. The only way Trump could have them returned is by morphing into a latter-day New Dealer... If that happens, it will be the greatest irony (or U-turn) in US political history... He (like Roosevelt before him) will need to 'punish the economic royalists'. Trump will end up doing exactly NOTHING. All of his bright ideas are beyond stupid and someone will end up telling him exactly why.

So if Trump ends up doing nothing as you believe why are you so against him?
Obama did nothing for 8 years and you did not have the same venom for him as you have for Trump.

The most significant thing Trump can do for America and the rest of the world is to demonstrate that there is an alternative path forward, a path of national renewal instead of a path of national decline into degeneracy, sleaze, filth, triviality, violence which has been the path down which America has been travelling for some time, particularly under the leadership of Abu bin Mohammed bin Obama and his degenerate allies & associates.

Trump has already shifted the Overton Window. If he shifts it further then he has exceeded all expectations.

bogarde73 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 6:33am:

... a path of national decline into degeneracy, sleaze, filth, triviality, violence which has been the path down which America has been travelling for some time...

This is exactly the path Bogarde73 promotes every day.

this is what our WEAK leaders should have done to Ford and Holden..

go Trump..

he's smashing it out of the park and making Obama look like a blithering idiot..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4Jp_5g3i9c

Unforgiven wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 12:56pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Dec 6th, 2016 at 6:33am: ... a path of national decline into degeneracy, sleaze, filth, triviality, violence which has been the path down which America has been travelling for some time... This is exactly the path Bogarde73 promotes every day.

Really?

I haven't noticed.
Please provide some examples.

White male entitlement such a fragile thing. 

Richdude wrote on Dec 7^th, 2016 at 4:08am:

Unforgiven wrote on Dec 6th, 2016 at 12:56pm: bogarde73 wrote on Dec 6th, 2016 at 6:33am: ... a path of national decline into degeneracy, sleaze, filth, triviality, violence which has been the path down which America has been travelling for some time... This is exactly the path Bogarde73 promotes every day. Really? I haven't noticed. Please provide some examples.

Don't encourage him.

He makes these irrelevant little jabbing personal remarks all the time in every thread in order to turn the attention towards himself when he's feeling ignored and ineffective.

Gregg, Karnal, John Smith and Brian Ross do exactly the same when they feel the conversations that are focussed on the subject matter are leaving them to be personally ignored and irrelevant.

That's when the tantrums begin, as demonstrated above.  

CNBC:
United States Steel would like to accelerate its investments and hire back laid-off employees now that Donald Trump will be occupying the Oval Office, CEO Mario Longhi told CNBC on Wednesday.


"We already structured to do some things, but when you see in the near future improvement to the tax laws, improvements to regulation, those two things by themselves may be a significant driver to what we're going to do," he said in an interview with CNBC's "Power Lunch."

In addition, the belief that the U.S. economy can grow at least 3.5 percent also adds to what the company can do, Longhi noted.


"I'd be more than happy to bring back the employees we've been forced to lay off during that depressive period," he said, which could be close to 10,000 jobs.

Shares of the Pittsburgh-based company have soared about 80 percent since Trump's stunning victory on Nov. 8. Investors appear to be betting on increased infrastructure spending, which the president-elect has promised, as well as further restrictions on China-produced steel.

Corporate America is also cheering Trump's promises of less regulation. Longhi said regulation has a role to play, but believes it "has to be done smartly."

"When you get into some situations where we're being asked to control some substances in water that are far lower than what nature naturally offers, that's irrational," he said.

"There was a point in time in the past couple years that I was having to hire more lawyers to try to interpret these new regulations than I was hiring … engineers. That doesn't make any sense."

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 7^th, 2016 at 6:47am:

Richdude wrote on Dec 7th, 2016 at 4:08am: Unforgiven wrote on Dec 6th, 2016 at 12:56pm: bogarde73 wrote on Dec 6th, 2016 at 6:33am: ... a path of national decline into degeneracy, sleaze, filth, triviality, violence which has been the path down which America has been travelling for some time... This is exactly the path Bogarde73 promotes every day. Really? I haven't noticed. Please provide some examples. Don't encourage him. He makes these irrelevant little jabbing personal remarks all the time in every thread in order to turn the attention towards himself when he's feeling ignored and ineffectual. Gregg, Karnal, John Smith and Brian Ross do exactly the same when they feel the conversations that are focussed on the subject matter are leaving them to be personally ignored and irrelevant. That's when the tantrums begin, as demonstrated above.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 4^th, 2016 at 5:46pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2016 at 5:02pm: I look forward to Trump trying to put import tariffs on Apple products. Apple will simply donate enough of its $150B IN CASH to demolish republicans next time around and/or move to canada and cost Trump about $50B a year in taxes.  And can you imagine the size of the backlash if Apple products were made 45% more expensive in USA?  True. And it has to be remembered, of course, that the Chinese and Mexico didn't steal US jobs... They were given to them by Americans. The only way Trump could have them returned is by morphing into a latter-day New Dealer... If that happens, it will be the greatest irony (or U-turn) in US political history... He (like Roosevelt before him) will need to 'punish the economic royalists'.

the only way those companies are coming back is if wages in the US are less than Mexico

I'm sure that'll do wonders for thrumps popularity.  ;D ;D
I can just imagine a few years from now, if trump is around long enough, the rednecks who voted for trump will be jumping trumps wall to sneak into mexico so they can find a job to send money back home to the USA. ;D ;D ;D

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzGTr06XUAAViCr.jpg

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8^th, 2016 at 4:13pm:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzGTr06XUAAViCr.jpg

My eyes!

Trump Lands Huge Deal with Japanese Company, $50 Billion Investment and 50,000 More Jobs for Americans


http://townhall.com/tipsheet/justinholcomb/2016/12/06/trump-lands-50000-more-jobs-for-us-in-business-deal-with-japanese-bank-n2256066

Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 8^th, 2016 at 5:20pm:

Trump Lands Huge Deal with Japanese Company, $50 Billion Investment and 50,000 More Jobs for Americans http://townhall.com/tipsheet/justinholcomb/2016/12/06/trump-lands-50000-more-jobs-for-us-in-business-deal-with-japanese-bank-n2256066

;D ;D ;D ;D

you poor gullible fool


Trump: SoftBank agrees to invest $50B in US 
Tuesday, 6 Dec 2016 | 2:11 PM ET | 02:59

Donald Trump said Monday that Japan's SoftBank has agreed to invest $50 billion in the U.S., aiming to create 50,000 jobs.

He announced the deal after meeting with SoftBank CEO Masayoshi Son, a Japanese billionaire and technology investor, at Trump Tower in New York. On Twitter, Trump claimed that Son said he "would never do this" if Trump had not won the presidential election.

But the $50 billion will come from a previously announced $100 billion international investment fund set up with Saudi Arabia, according to Dow Jones.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/06/trump-says-softbank-will-invest-50-billion-in-the-us-aiming-to-create-50000-jobs.html

Trump already delivering for US


Is this what he is delivering ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PJix23IeF8

John Smith wrote on Dec 8^th, 2016 at 7:09pm:

Trump claimed that Son said he "would never do this" if Trump had not won the presidential election.

What's your problem John? Don't like jobs?

Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 8^th, 2016 at 8:10pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 8th, 2016 at 7:09pm: Trump claimed that Son said he "would never do this" if Trump had not won the presidential election. What's your problem John? Don't like jobs?

Trump said ... that's what you're running with?  ;D ;D ;D

and i couldn't give a fkk about American jobs.

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 8^th, 2016 at 1:51pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 7th, 2016 at 6:47am: Richdude wrote on Dec 7th, 2016 at 4:08am: Unforgiven wrote on Dec 6th, 2016 at 12:56pm: bogarde73 wrote on Dec 6th, 2016 at 6:33am: ... a path of national decline into degeneracy, sleaze, filth, triviality, violence which has been the path down which America has been travelling for some time... This is exactly the path Bogarde73 promotes every day. Really? I haven't noticed. Please provide some examples. Don't encourage him. He makes these irrelevant little jabbing personal remarks all the time in every thread in order to turn the attention towards himself when he's feeling ignored and ineffectual. Gregg, Karnal, John Smith and Brian Ross do exactly the same when they feel the conversations that are focussed on the subject matter are leaving them to be personally ignored and irrelevant. That's when the tantrums begin, as demonstrated above.

Gee, Herbie, if you want attention, just ask.

You don't have to change the subject, you know.

So what is Trump delivering?

In one word.

LEADERSHIP

He makes Obama look like the faux President which in fact Soros selected.

Trump will deliver on the promises. But please keep those disgusting neo-cons away from you!

Time to jail Soros!

Richdude wrote on Dec 9^th, 2016 at 9:59am:

Trump will deliver on the promises.

Well, no.

He's reneged on every single one of them.