She really got whipped.
The big hedge funds must be gutted, they funded her and she did not perform.

She had everything going her way, and she tanked.

So, she lost because ...........


She gave few rallies.

She called many millions of amercians 'deplorables',


She has repeated lied blatantly over many issues.

You can't trust anything she says.

America has deteriorated while she was Secretary of state and Obama was president.

It is worse now than what it was 8 years ago.

She is a proven failure.

Obama and hillary have not guarded Americas borders.

Obama and hillary have refused to call 'extremist muslim terrorists' extremist muslim terrorists.

She wanted to flood the US with many 1000's of untested immigrants.
It would have become what germany ails from now.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 24^th, 2016 at 11:16pm:

She really got whipped. The big hedge funds must be gutted, they funded her and she did not perform. She had everything going her way, and she tanked. So, she lost because ........... She gave few rallies. She called many millions of amercians 'deplorables', She has repeated lied blatantly over many issues. You can't trust anything she says.

The low attendance numbers at many of her rallies [compared to the Trump rallies], imo, should have given the political pollsters and pundits a 'heads up' on the probable outcome of the general poll.

She appealed to a much smaller, although much noisier, group than Trump.  Her born to rule mentality and hubris did not allow her to even consider the possibility that she may not be as popular as she supposed.  Her support was concentrated in the large prosperous cities, especially those with large universities. Trumps was spread more evenly across the country.  This is why Trump got the electoral college votes and she didn't.

Just the wrong sort of feminine energy.


I talk about the superior man having certain behaviours.

Hand in hand with this goes the concept of the Quality woman.

Queen Elizabeth 2 is a quality woman.
Refined, emotionally controlled, gives off a very calm type of vibration energy, in no way "bratty", in no way "bitchy", in no way a "drama", in no way a "princess" (interesting that a queen does not exhibit princess like behvaiours but elizabeth is very humble and down to earth).

This shows , for example, when even lefties feel a certain sense of awe when they meet Eliazabeth and will often comment on this "present warm energy".

Hilary was very different...not humble, aggressive, in the pants suits carrying on like a brat, like a drama queen, like an entitled snot.  people will not vibe with a low quality woman...they find these behaviours repulsive. it showed at the ballot box.

BTW, just watch the outpouring of grief that the world will show when Elizabeth2 dies and you will see i am totally correct re the reverence we all feel for a quality woman

She won the popular vote, by TWO MILLION votes.

Those who went to the polls, wanted Hillary as President.

America was duped.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25^th, 2016 at 8:34am:

She won the popular vote, by TWO MILLION votes. Those who went to the polls, wanted Hillary as President. America was duped.

Except it was not a popular vote as you wish it to be, it was a vote for Electoral College delegates in each State. The delegates make their final decision on the 19th Dec as to who the President will be

Why haven't you got the guts to explain what you mean by "popular"?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 24^th, 2016 at 11:16pm:

She really got whipped. The big hedge funds must be gutted, they funded her and she did not perform. She had everything going her way, and she tanked. So, she lost because ........... She gave few rallies. She called many millions of amercians 'deplorables', She has repeated lied blatantly over many issues. You can't trust anything she says.

Whipped????  with a 2 million vote lead?  It might be a loss but it is actually a small one.

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 25^th, 2016 at 10:14am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 8:34am: She won the popular vote, by TWO MILLION votes. Those who went to the polls, wanted Hillary as President. America was duped. Except it was not a popular vote as you wish it to be, it was a vote for Electoral College delegates in each State. The delegates make their final decision on the 19th Dec as to who the President will be

Yes.

None of that changes the fact that Clinton won the popular vote, though.

The voters clearly wanted Hillary as President, however, the Electoral College will, in all likelihood, give them Trump.

America has been duped.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25^th, 2016 at 11:43am:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 10:14am: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 8:34am: She won the popular vote, by TWO MILLION votes. Those who went to the polls, wanted Hillary as President. America was duped. Except it was not a popular vote as you wish it to be, it was a vote for Electoral College delegates in each State. The delegates make their final decision on the 19th Dec as to who the President will be Yes. None of that changes the fact that Clinton won the popular vote, though. The voters clearly wanted Hillary as President, however, the Electoral College will, in all likelihood, give them Trump. America has been duped.

Trump originally said he hated the Electoral College system because he beleived he would lose there and win the popular vote. Now because the outcome was reversed, he thinks the college system is 'genius'.  What a hypocrite.

And now he has changed his mind yet again. I wonder if he has any actual beliefs?

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 25^th, 2016 at 11:47am:

Trump originally said he hated the Electoral College system because he beleived he would lose there and win the popular vote. Now because the outcome was reversed, he thinks the college system is 'genius'.  What a hypocrite. And now he has changed his mind yet again. I wonder if he has any actual beliefs?

Trump rallied in states that counted to maximize his E/College votes. Clinton on the other hand didn't, and consequently failed to win over blue collar workers

As well, if Clinton had said things like "Drain the Swamp", "Build a Wall", "Make America Great Again", "Jobs for Michigan" ... she might have won more E/College delegates

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25^th, 2016 at 11:43am:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 10:14am: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 8:34am: She won the popular vote, by TWO MILLION votes. Those who went to the polls, wanted Hillary as President. America was duped. Except it was not a popular vote as you wish it to be, it was a vote for Electoral College delegates in each State. The delegates make their final decision on the 19th Dec as to who the President will be Yes. None of that changes the fact that Clinton won the popular vote, though. The voters clearly wanted Hillary as President, however, the Electoral College will, in all likelihood, give them Trump. America has been duped.

You were duped

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 25^th, 2016 at 1:37pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 11:43am: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 10:14am: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 8:34am: She won the popular vote, by TWO MILLION votes. Those who went to the polls, wanted Hillary as President. America was duped. Except it was not a popular vote as you wish it to be, it was a vote for Electoral College delegates in each State. The delegates make their final decision on the 19th Dec as to who the President will be Yes. None of that changes the fact that Clinton won the popular vote, though. The voters clearly wanted Hillary as President, however, the Electoral College will, in all likelihood, give them Trump. America has been duped. You were duped

Yes, I suppose I was.

Not that I was championing Hillary's cause: I just wanted to see Trump lose.

Knowing he lost the popular vote gives me a little comfort.

Her arrogance was out of the ballpark.

At over a week out from the election she said she is now focussed on her new presidency and is unconcerned about Donald Trump.

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 25^th, 2016 at 1:35pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 11:47am: Trump originally said he hated the Electoral College system because he beleived he would lose there and win the popular vote. Now because the outcome was reversed, he thinks the college system is 'genius'.  What a hypocrite. And now he has changed his mind yet again. I wonder if he has any actual beliefs? Trump rallied in states that counted to maximize his E/College votes. Clinton on the other hand didn't, and consequently failed to win over blue collar workers As well, if Clinton had said things like "Drain the Swamp", "Build a Wall", "Make America Great Again", "Jobs for Michigan" ... she might have won more E/College delegates

You mean 'drain the swamp' and then choose an adminstration born, raised and living in that swamp?  'Build a wall' and then say, no we wont do it?  "Make America Great Again" when america is at the zenith of its power and prosperity? And "jobs for Michigan" when he has no power or policy that would actually do that?

Yeah... she should have lied her butt off. Apparently, that is the New Politics.

"As of yesterday (Nov. 23), Clinton was leading in the popular vote, 64.4 million to Trump’s 62.3 million.

"That lead is insurmountable, given that there aren’t enough votes for Trump to surpass her."

aquascoot wrote on Nov 25^th, 2016 at 8:34am:

Just the wrong sort of feminine energy. I talk about the superior man having certain behaviours. Hand in hand with this goes the concept of the Quality woman. Queen Elizabeth 2 is a quality woman. Refined, emotionally controlled, gives off a very calm type of vibration energy, in no way "bratty", in no way "bitchy", in no way a "drama", in no way a "princess" (interesting that a queen does not exhibit princess like behvaiours but elizabeth is very humble and down to earth). This shows , for example, when even lefties feel a certain sense of awe when they meet Eliazabeth and will often comment on this "present warm energy". Hilary was very different...not humble, aggressive, in the pants suits carrying on like a brat, like a drama queen, like an entitled snot.  people will not vibe with a low quality woman...they find these behaviours repulsive. it showed at the ballot box. BTW, just watch the outpouring of grief that the world will show when Elizabeth2 dies and you will see i am totally correct re the reverence we all feel for a quality woman

But she has no actual power and little influence. I admire her greatly, but she still has very little impact unlike politicians who by virtue of their job are SUPPOSED to have impact, influence and challenge the orthodoxy.

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 25^th, 2016 at 10:14am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 8:34am: She won the popular vote, by TWO MILLION votes. Those who went to the polls, wanted Hillary as President. America was duped. Except it was not a popular vote as you wish it to be, it was a vote for Electoral College delegates in each State. The delegates make their final decision on the 19th Dec as to who the President will be Why haven't you got the guts to explain what you mean by "popular"?

Are you serious???  You think getting substantially LESS votes is a claim to being 'popular'?  It might be hard to define the word but I can guarantee it does NOT mean finishing second in a two horse race.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 25^th, 2016 at 2:17pm:

Her arrogance was out of the ballpark. At over a week out from the election she said she is now focussed on her new presidency and is unconcerned about Donald Trump.

HER arrogance???????


wow... it must take some fine alcohol to induce that kind of memory loss.

Her campaign was like a Disney movie.

For kiddies only.

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 25^th, 2016 at 2:28pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 2:17pm: Her arrogance was out of the ballpark. At over a week out from the election she said she is now focussed on her new presidency and is unconcerned about Donald Trump. HER arrogance??????? wow... it must take some fine alcohol to induce that kind of memory loss.

I pretty much don't drink.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 25^th, 2016 at 3:45pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 2:28pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 2:17pm: Her arrogance was out of the ballpark. At over a week out from the election she said she is now focussed on her new presidency and is unconcerned about Donald Trump. HER arrogance??????? wow... it must take some fine alcohol to induce that kind of memory loss. I pretty much don't drink.

Maybe you should.

She was rated as one of the worst speakers.
You gotta admit, she is 'dull'.

Her 'speaking income' :

Bank of America -  $ 1/4 M
Goldman Sachs -  $ 3/4 M
Morgan Stanley -  $ 1/4 M
Sandford Bernstein -  $ 1/4 M
Ameriprise -  $ 1/4 M
Deuscthe Bank -  $ 1/4 M
GTCR - $ 1/3 M
CIBC - $150 K
BBC USA Securities - $ 1/4 M
Deuscthe Bank AG -  $ 1/4 M (different 'bank')
CME Group -  $ 1/4 M
UBS Wealth Mgmt -  $ 1/4 M
Fidelity Investments -  $ 1/4 M
Apollo Mgmt -  $ 1/4 M
Kolhberg -  $ 1/4 M
Golden Tree -  $ 1/4 M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rtqJ3W3g1c&feature=youtu.be&t=15

@ 0.53 secs

She exhibited 'unusual' mannerisms.

Was it because of this ..........

https://youtu.be/8CQ418zjuU8

Hillary Clinton Is On Crack Cocaine

1.40secs till 2.30, then 6.55 to the end

https://i.imgflip.com/1c9fdq.jpg

She has no idea of social media.


https://youtu.be/xrkPe-9rM1Q

14,000,000 people saw this.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 25^th, 2016 at 7:11pm:

She was rated as one of the worst speakers. You gotta admit, she is 'dull'.

That's true. Trump is by far the better speaker - far more engaging, compelling and even authentic than Hilary.

Trump, of course, is the least authentic candidate we've seen to date. A billionaire "man of the people". An anti-Establishment member of the Establishment. An anti-corruption campaigner who's settled on cases of his own fraud. A pro-business candidate who's filed for corporate bancruptcy three times. A self-professed born-again Christian with two divorces and a string of sexual assault allegations.

The list could go on. Trump is a fake, but he does come across as sincere. Behind closed doors Trump talks about "telling them what they want to hear" and "telling them anything to close a deal". This is, of course, the chief skill of a politician: lying convincingly.

Now watch as Trump goes back on almost everything he promised during the erection. 

We know one thing, Sprint. If you're honest, you'll be complaining about Trump along with everybody else.

And if you're not, you'll be making the most ludicrous excuses and avoiding all questions.

Which is it going to be?

Melanias purse wrote on Nov 26^th, 2016 at 3:59pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 7:11pm: She was rated as one of the worst speakers. You gotta admit, she is 'dull'. That's true. Trump is by far the better speaker - far more engaging, compelling and even authentic than Hilary. Trump, of course, is the least authentic candidate we've seen to date. A billionaire "man of the people". An anti-Establishment member of the Establishment. An anti-corruption campaigner who's settled on cases of his own fraud. A pro-business candidate who's filed for corporate bancruptcy three times. A self-professed born-again Christian with two divorces and a string of sexual assault allegations. The list could go on. Trump is a fake, but he does come across as sincere. Behind closed doors Trump talks about "telling them what they want to hear" and "telling them anything to close a deal". This is, of course, the chief skill of a politician: lying convincingly. Now watch as Trump goes back on almost everything he promised during the erection.  We know one thing, Sprint. If you're honest, you'll be complaining about Trump along with everybody else. And if you're not, you'll be making the most ludicrous excuses and avoiding all questions. Which is it going to be?

Like all the other losers, you are agitating before the facts.

You were wrong about everything about this election for the last 18 months.  You are cramming in some more idiocies before 20 Jan 2017.

Frank wrote on Nov 26^th, 2016 at 6:23pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 3:59pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 7:11pm: She was rated as one of the worst speakers. You gotta admit, she is 'dull'. That's true. Trump is by far the better speaker - far more engaging, compelling and even authentic than Hilary. Trump, of course, is the least authentic candidate we've seen to date. A billionaire "man of the people". An anti-Establishment member of the Establishment. An anti-corruption campaigner who's settled on cases of his own fraud. A pro-business candidate who's filed for corporate bancruptcy three times. A self-professed born-again Christian with two divorces and a string of sexual assault allegations. The list could go on. Trump is a fake, but he does come across as sincere. Behind closed doors Trump talks about "telling them what they want to hear" and "telling them anything to close a deal". This is, of course, the chief skill of a politician: lying convincingly. Now watch as Trump goes back on almost everything he promised during the erection.  We know one thing, Sprint. If you're honest, you'll be complaining about Trump along with everybody else. And if you're not, you'll be making the most ludicrous excuses and avoiding all questions. Which is it going to be? Like all the other losers, you are agitating before the facts. You were wrong about everything about this election for the last 18 months.  You are cramming in some more idiocies before 20 Jan 2017.

What am I wrong about, old boy? Sprint being disappointed because Trump won't build a wall and get Mexico to pay for it?

And not just a fence, but a big concrete wall - twenty feet high - a wall no one could ever - ever - get over?

Or Sprint being disappointed that Trump won't ban every Muselman from entering the United States, including everyone from a majority-Muslim country, and enforce Muslim ID cards for every Muslim US citizen?

If Trump becomes a plodder of a president - a card-carrying member of the political Establishment - Sprint will feel let down.

On the other hand, if Trump starts a trade war with China, blows the US economy, triples the deficit, and ends up in a real war, do you think Sprint will feel vindicated?

Your guess is as good as mine, dear chap.

Melanias purse wrote on Nov 26^th, 2016 at 6:48pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 6:23pm: Melanias purse wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 3:59pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 7:11pm: She was rated as one of the worst speakers. You gotta admit, she is 'dull'. That's true. Trump is by far the better speaker - far more engaging, compelling and even authentic than Hilary. Trump, of course, is the least authentic candidate we've seen to date. A billionaire "man of the people". An anti-Establishment member of the Establishment. An anti-corruption campaigner who's settled on cases of his own fraud. A pro-business candidate who's filed for corporate bancruptcy three times. A self-professed born-again Christian with two divorces and a string of sexual assault allegations. The list could go on. Trump is a fake, but he does come across as sincere. Behind closed doors Trump talks about "telling them what they want to hear" and "telling them anything to close a deal". This is, of course, the chief skill of a politician: lying convincingly. Now watch as Trump goes back on almost everything he promised during the erection.  We know one thing, Sprint. If you're honest, you'll be complaining about Trump along with everybody else. And if you're not, you'll be making the most ludicrous excuses and avoiding all questions. Which is it going to be? Like all the other losers, you are agitating before the facts. You were wrong about everything about this election for the last 18 months.  You are cramming in some more idiocies before 20 Jan 2017. What am I wrong about, old boy?

You are wrong about everything.

You are agitating before the facts, like all idiots of the lefty persuasion.  O'Bama is the prez until 19 Jan. Trump has no power until then. But you are carrying on like you have been for the last 18 months - like the idiot loser you have been proven to be all along and are now.  Your every pronouncement in this topic has been wrong and you just can't learn from your glaring mistakes. You press on being an idiot. You think it's heroic or something. But it's just stupid.

Frank wrote on Nov 26^th, 2016 at 7:44pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 6:48pm: Frank wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 6:23pm: Melanias purse wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 3:59pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 7:11pm: She was rated as one of the worst speakers. You gotta admit, she is 'dull'. That's true. Trump is by far the better speaker - far more engaging, compelling and even authentic than Hilary. Trump, of course, is the least authentic candidate we've seen to date. A billionaire "man of the people". An anti-Establishment member of the Establishment. An anti-corruption campaigner who's settled on cases of his own fraud. A pro-business candidate who's filed for corporate bancruptcy three times. A self-professed born-again Christian with two divorces and a string of sexual assault allegations. The list could go on. Trump is a fake, but he does come across as sincere. Behind closed doors Trump talks about "telling them what they want to hear" and "telling them anything to close a deal". This is, of course, the chief skill of a politician: lying convincingly. Now watch as Trump goes back on almost everything he promised during the erection.  We know one thing, Sprint. If you're honest, you'll be complaining about Trump along with everybody else. And if you're not, you'll be making the most ludicrous excuses and avoiding all questions. Which is it going to be? Like all the other losers, you are agitating before the facts. You were wrong about everything about this election for the last 18 months.  You are cramming in some more idiocies before 20 Jan 2017. What am I wrong about, old boy?  You are wrong about everything. You are agitating before the facts,

The alleged child rapist has already reneged on all of his promises.

These are the facts.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26^th, 2016 at 7:47pm:

The alleged child rapist has already reneged on all of his promises. These are the facts.

:D :D :D :D :D

You'd be spewing if he kept them, you'd be spewing if he ditched them (wait until he actually becomes prez).

You'd be spewing no matter what. That's who you are. Same as Karndalf, Brian Rossdalf, you Turdalf and the rest of you bedwetting ninnies.

The Democrats had millions less turn out to vote than they did in the previous election.

The most likely reason is that they believed that they could not lose and didn't need to vote. Most sane people looked at Trump as a joke that nobody with a greater IQ than a dean moose could vote for.

Apparently the US has an abnormal amount of voters with lower IQ's than a dead moose.

Frank wrote on Nov 26^th, 2016 at 8:17pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 7:47pm: The alleged child rapist has already reneged on all of his promises. These are the facts. You'd be spewing if he kept them ...

Mmmmmm, nuh!

Wouldn't affect me in the slightest.

I live in Australia and, I'm not a Mexican, Muslim, or 13 year old girl.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26^th, 2016 at 8:22pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 8:17pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 7:47pm: The alleged child rapist has already reneged on all of his promises. These are the facts. You'd be spewing if he kept them ... Mmmmmm, nuh! Wouldn't affect me in the slightest. I live in Australia and, I'm not a Mexican, Muslim, or 13 year old girl.

Nor an attractive young woman.

Dnarever wrote on Nov 26^th, 2016 at 8:24pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 8:22pm: Frank wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 8:17pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 7:47pm: The alleged child rapist has already reneged on all of his promises. These are the facts. You'd be spewing if he kept them ... Mmmmmm, nuh! Wouldn't affect me in the slightest. I live in Australia and, I'm not a Mexican, Muslim, or 13 year old girl. Nor an attractive young woman.

Indeed.

These are all the people who will be screwed by Trump.

And, not necessarily as willing participants.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26^th, 2016 at 8:26pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 8:24pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 8:22pm: Frank wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 8:17pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 7:47pm: The alleged child rapist has already reneged on all of his promises. These are the facts. You'd be spewing if he kept them ... Mmmmmm, nuh! Wouldn't affect me in the slightest. I live in Australia and, I'm not a Mexican, Muslim, or 13 year old girl. Nor an attractive young woman. Indeed. These are all the people who will be screwed by Trump. And, not necessarily as willing participants.

With most politicians you get screwed figurative, Trump uses a more direct more literal approach.

He is willing to pull down his zipper and get dirty, without even asking - some say that they want it no matter how loud they scream.

Frank wrote on Nov 26^th, 2016 at 7:44pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 6:48pm: Frank wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 6:23pm: Melanias purse wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 3:59pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 7:11pm: She was rated as one of the worst speakers. You gotta admit, she is 'dull'. That's true. Trump is by far the better speaker - far more engaging, compelling and even authentic than Hilary. Trump, of course, is the least authentic candidate we've seen to date. A billionaire "man of the people". An anti-Establishment member of the Establishment. An anti-corruption campaigner who's settled on cases of his own fraud. A pro-business candidate who's filed for corporate bancruptcy three times. A self-professed born-again Christian with two divorces and a string of sexual assault allegations. The list could go on. Trump is a fake, but he does come across as sincere. Behind closed doors Trump talks about "telling them what they want to hear" and "telling them anything to close a deal". This is, of course, the chief skill of a politician: lying convincingly. Now watch as Trump goes back on almost everything he promised during the erection.  We know one thing, Sprint. If you're honest, you'll be complaining about Trump along with everybody else. And if you're not, you'll be making the most ludicrous excuses and avoiding all questions. Which is it going to be? Like all the other losers, you are agitating before the facts. You were wrong about everything about this election for the last 18 months.  You are cramming in some more idiocies before 20 Jan 2017. What am I wrong about, old boy?  You are wrong about everything. You are agitating before the facts, like all idiots of the lefty persuasion.  O'Bama is the prez until 19 Jan. Trump has no power until then. But you are carrying on like you have been for the last 18 months - like the idiot loser you have been proven to be all along and are now.  Your every pronouncement in this topic has been wrong and you just can't learn from your glaring mistakes. You press on being an idiot. You think it's heroic or something. But it's just stupid.

You didn't answer the queston, dear boy. Is that because you once gushed over president George W Bush and his foreign wars, and you then spent his last three years in office sulking?

In the words of your prophetess, please explain?

http://www.news.com.au/finance/business/media/911-global-elites-and-goblins-how-americas-top-conspiracy-theorist-helped-donald-trump-win/news-story/7eea5da6d64d236f44f5d80b1ce05d09

http://www.infowars.com/wp-content/images/watch-thumb.jpg

9/11, global elites and goblins: How America’s top conspiracy theorist helped Donald Trump win

ON THE night of the US election, the man described as “America’s leading conspiracy theorist” was wrapping up a “historic” 52-hour live internet broadcast.
“Donald J Trump. The golden toad,” declared a dazed and euphoric Alex Jones, the veteran radio broadcaster, filmmaker and founder of the influential InfoWars.com.
The broadcaster has been described as “the single most important voice in the alternative conservative media” by Roger Stone, the controversial Nixon-era political fixer and longtime Trump confidante.
He even scored a half-hour interview with the Republican candidate in December last year.
By his side sipping champagne on election night was Mr Stone, who was dumped from the billionaire’s campaign in August.
Mr Jones, whose Facebook bio describes him as a “ruggedly handsome Texan” and the “grandfather of what has come to be known as the 9/11 Truth Movement”, went on to reassure viewers in a 3am election night video that “Donald Trump is not Satanic”.
“He does not wish to ground you under his treads,” he said. “And that’s why Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan have set themselves up against him, because they believe they own you. Donald Trump is not out to get you. He’s not some weird a**hole who wants you to abort your kid or take a dangerous vaccine or submit to their system.”
If you want to know what powers Mr Trump, he said, “individually it’s a love of liberty and standing up to corruption”, but “what powers the movement is InfoWars”.
“The spirit of the InfoWar, across the world, from Australia to the UK to Russia, from Nigeria to Mexico, is spreading,” he said. “And it’s the Renaissance idea of freedom, and that’s why they’re trying to shut us down.”

The interview with Mr Trump last year was a huge get for Mr Jones, the purveyor of outlandish conspiracy theories including that the Sandy Hook elementary school massacre was a “false flag” to enact gun control, and 9/11 and the Oklahoma City bombings were inside jobs.
Mr Trump ended that interview by telling Mr Jones “your reputation is amazing”.
“I will not let you down, you will be very, very impressed I hope, and I think we’ll be speaking a lot,” he said.
“You’ll be looking at me a year into office, you’ll be saying wow, I remember that interview, he said he was going to do it and he did a great job.”

In August, Hillary Clinton would call out Mr Jones by name in a speech denouncing the “alt-right”.
“Just recently, Trump claimed that President Obama founded ISIS,” Ms Clinton said. “And he has repeated that over and over again. His latest paranoid fever dream is about my health.
“But this is what happens ... when you listen to the radio host Alex Jones, who claims that 9/11 and the Oklahoma City bombings were inside jobs.
“He even said, and this really just is so disgusting, he even said the victims of the Sandy Hook massacre were child actors and no one was actually killed there. I don’t know what happens in somebody’s mind or how dark their heart must be to say things like [that].”
The 42-year-old, who started his career with a call-in public access TV show in Austin, Texas, has a syndicated radio show across nearly 130 stations. The true size of his audience is difficult to determine, but he has claimed a daily five million radio listeners and 80 million video views a month, The Washington Post reported.
“They really don’t understand how many people we’re reaching,” Mr Stone told Mr Jones during the election night broadcast. “They really don’t understand the reach of conservative alternative media, which is the new mainstream.
“They have invested hundreds of millions of dollars into a [cable] infrastructure that is outdated, [but] InfoWars is stone cold truth. We go right to the internet.”
Mr Jones, who once bemoaned that “my IQ has been reduced by at least 20 points” from drinking “sodium fluoridated water” and that “the shadow of who I would have been calls out from the grave”, describes himself as a “libertarian”, a “paleoconservative” and an “aggressive constitutionalist”.
“I’m a pioneer. I’m an explorer. I’m a human, and I’m coming,” he screams, red-faced, in one characteristic rant. “I’m animated, I’m alive, my heart’s big, it’s got hot blood going through it fast. I like to fight, too. I like to eat. I like to have children. I’m here. I’ve got a life force. This is a human. This is what we look like.”
He also called Barack Obama a “wicked devil”, and described Ms Clinton as “evil”, a “witch” and a “whore of Babylon drunk on the blood of the saints”. During the election campaign, InfoWars began marketing “Hillary for Prison” T-shirts.
Towards the end of the campaign, InfoWars also began selling Bill Clinton “rape” T-shirts, mimicking the famous Barack Obama “hope” design.
The image made semi-regular appearances, with supporters ambushing Clinton campaign events and morning TV shows wearing the shirts.
Mr Jones offered his followers $US1000 if they appeared on national TV for more than five seconds wearing the shirt, and $US5000 if they shouted the phrase “Bill Clinton is a rapist”.

Frank wrote on Nov 26^th, 2016 at 7:44pm:

You are wrong about everything. You are agitating before the facts, like all idiots of the lefty persuasion.  O'Bama is the prez until 19 Jan. Trump has no power until then. But you are carrying on like you have been for the last 18 months - like the idiot loser you have been proven to be all along and are now.  Your every pronouncement in this topic has been wrong and you just can't learn from your glaring mistakes. You press on being an idiot. You think it's heroic or something. But it's just stupid.

Like all the other losers, you are agitating before the facts.

You do know that Trump has very much back peddled on his pre election commitments ? This isn't before the facts this is a fact.

Dnarever wrote on Nov 27^th, 2016 at 8:26am:

Frank wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 7:44pm: You are wrong about everything. You are agitating before the facts, like all idiots of the lefty persuasion.  O'Bama is the prez until 19 Jan. Trump has no power until then. But you are carrying on like you have been for the last 18 months - like the idiot loser you have been proven to be all along and are now.  Your every pronouncement in this topic has been wrong and you just can't learn from your glaring mistakes. You press on being an idiot. You think it's heroic or something. But it's just stupid. Like all the other losers, you are agitating before the facts. You do know that Trump has very much back peddled on his pre election commitments ? This isn't before the facts this is a fact.

No, I don't know that.  What commitment do you want him to keep?

Before the election  the big noise from the left was agitated because "Trump has no policies!!!"  Now he is reversing his non-existent policies and you are agitated about that.


The sad truth is that you would complain and agitate no matter what. You are against whatever it is he said or didn't say, promise or not promise, reverse or not reverse.

Frank wrote on Nov 27^th, 2016 at 2:28pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 27th, 2016 at 8:26am: Frank wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 7:44pm: You are wrong about everything. You are agitating before the facts, like all idiots of the lefty persuasion.  O'Bama is the prez until 19 Jan. Trump has no power until then. But you are carrying on like you have been for the last 18 months - like the idiot loser you have been proven to be all along and are now.  Your every pronouncement in this topic has been wrong and you just can't learn from your glaring mistakes. You press on being an idiot. You think it's heroic or something. But it's just stupid. Like all the other losers, you are agitating before the facts. You do know that Trump has very much back peddled on his pre election commitments ? This isn't before the facts this is a fact. No, I don't know that.

Well, it's true.

Now you know.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 27^th, 2016 at 2:29pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 27th, 2016 at 2:28pm: Dnarever wrote on Nov 27th, 2016 at 8:26am: Frank wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 7:44pm: You are wrong about everything. You are agitating before the facts, like all idiots of the lefty persuasion.  O'Bama is the prez until 19 Jan. Trump has no power until then. But you are carrying on like you have been for the last 18 months - like the idiot loser you have been proven to be all along and are now.  Your every pronouncement in this topic has been wrong and you just can't learn from your glaring mistakes. You press on being an idiot. You think it's heroic or something. But it's just stupid. Like all the other losers, you are agitating before the facts. You do know that Trump has very much back peddled on his pre election commitments ? This isn't before the facts this is a fact. No, I don't know that.  Well, it's true. Now you know.

If you say it it can't be true.  You have been wrong about everything on Trump.

Frank wrote on Nov 27^th, 2016 at 4:57pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 27th, 2016 at 2:29pm: Frank wrote on Nov 27th, 2016 at 2:28pm: Dnarever wrote on Nov 27th, 2016 at 8:26am: Frank wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 7:44pm: You are wrong about everything. You are agitating before the facts, like all idiots of the lefty persuasion.  O'Bama is the prez until 19 Jan. Trump has no power until then. But you are carrying on like you have been for the last 18 months - like the idiot loser you have been proven to be all along and are now.  Your every pronouncement in this topic has been wrong and you just can't learn from your glaring mistakes. You press on being an idiot. You think it's heroic or something. But it's just stupid. Like all the other losers, you are agitating before the facts. You do know that Trump has very much back peddled on his pre election commitments ? This isn't before the facts this is a fact. No, I don't know that.  Well, it's true. Now you know. If you say it it can't be true.  You have been wrong about everything on Trump.

Beautiful logic Frank

last time hillary was in wisconsin was 7 months before the election

Voting machines were hacked?

Hillary Clinton suffered from "Electoral College Deficiency Syndrome" ... a self inflicted condition brought on by the "Obama Effect", which was a condition brought on by the "Globalist Illusion Effect", which was a condition brought on by the "New World Order Power Play Effect", which was brought on by the "United Nations and Council on Foreign Relations Effect" ................

Squire wrote on Nov 27^th, 2016 at 8:09pm:

Voting machines were hacked?

they can't be.
They are not online.

Wisconsin do not even use them. Wisconsin uses paper and optical scanners

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 28^th, 2016 at 9:10am:

Squire wrote on Nov 27th, 2016 at 8:09pm: Voting machines were hacked? they can't be. They are not online. Wisconsin do not even use them. Wisconsin uses paper and optical scanners

Sprint's back to being a fan of democracy again.

Because she's a duplicitous, scheming, greedy, power hungry, fraudulent bitch who is 100% transparent............................have I missed anything out?

Fuzzball wrote on Nov 28^th, 2016 at 11:32am:

Because she's a duplicitous, scheming, greedy, power hungry, fraudulent bitch who is 100% transparent............................have I missed anything out?

Yes.

You missed the bit about her getting 2.5 million more votes than Trump.

While Trump won the election, thanks to the Electoral College, the people clearly wanted Clinton as President.

Fuzzball wrote on Nov 28^th, 2016 at 11:32am:

Because she's a duplicitous, scheming, greedy, power hungry, fraudulent bitch who is 100% transparent............................have I missed anything out?

..................who lies constantly.........

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 28^th, 2016 at 11:38am:

Fuzzball wrote on Nov 28th, 2016 at 11:32am: Because she's a duplicitous, scheming, greedy, power hungry, fraudulent bitch who is 100% transparent............................have I missed anything out? ..................who lies constantly.........

Funny you ahve the audacity to say that after Trump lied about almost everything. Obamacare? staying. Mexican Wall? not getting built. Deporting illegals? not happening.

sucked in.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28^th, 2016 at 11:35am:

the people clearly wanted Clinton as President.

What's your point of repeating this and minor variations of it over and over?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 28^th, 2016 at 11:38am:

Fuzzball wrote on Nov 28th, 2016 at 11:32am: Because she's a duplicitous, scheming, greedy, power hungry, fraudulent bitch who is 100% transparent............................have I missed anything out? ..................who lies constantly.........

When it comes to lying, no one comes close to the alleged child rapist.

"For at least sixteen months, Donald Trump has waged an unprecedented assault on the truth. He has lied about his own biography, his policy positions and his opponent. He has lied about the unemployment rate, his opposition to the Iraq War and the state of our military. He even took credit for Budweiser’s “America” name change this summer."

FINAL COUNT: SINCE JUNE, TRUMP HAS LIED 1,432 TIMES

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28^th, 2016 at 12:12pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 28th, 2016 at 11:38am: Fuzzball wrote on Nov 28th, 2016 at 11:32am: Because she's a duplicitous, scheming, greedy, power hungry, fraudulent bitch who is 100% transparent............................have I missed anything out? ..................who lies constantly......... When it comes to lying, no one comes close to the alleged child rapist. "For at least sixteen months, Donald Trump has waged an unprecedented assault on the truth. He has lied about his own biography, his policy positions and his opponent. He has lied about the unemployment rate, his opposition to the Iraq War and the state of our military. He even took credit for Budweiser’s “America” name change this summer." FINAL COUNT: SINCE JUNE, TRUMP HAS LIED 1,432 TIMES

Here's Pecca attacking another white male. It never ends. It would be a nice change for him to attack a liar like Obama.

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 28^th, 2016 at 12:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28th, 2016 at 11:35am: the people clearly wanted Clinton as President. What's your point of repeating this and minor variations of it over and over?

1. To make sure everyone knows the truth

2. To annoy you

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 28^th, 2016 at 12:15pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28th, 2016 at 12:12pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 28th, 2016 at 11:38am: Fuzzball wrote on Nov 28th, 2016 at 11:32am: Because she's a duplicitous, scheming, greedy, power hungry, fraudulent bitch who is 100% transparent............................have I missed anything out? ..................who lies constantly......... When it comes to lying, no one comes close to the alleged child rapist. "For at least sixteen months, Donald Trump has waged an unprecedented assault on the truth. He has lied about his own biography, his policy positions and his opponent. He has lied about the unemployment rate, his opposition to the Iraq War and the state of our military. He even took credit for Budweiser’s “America” name change this summer." FINAL COUNT: SINCE JUNE, TRUMP HAS LIED 1,432 TIMES Here's Pecca attacking another white male. It never ends. It would be a nice change for him to attack a liar like Obama.

White?

Don't think so, Tim.

http://heatst.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/trump5.jpg

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28^th, 2016 at 12:20pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 28th, 2016 at 12:15pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28th, 2016 at 12:12pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 28th, 2016 at 11:38am: Fuzzball wrote on Nov 28th, 2016 at 11:32am: Because she's a duplicitous, scheming, greedy, power hungry, fraudulent bitch who is 100% transparent............................have I missed anything out? ..................who lies constantly......... When it comes to lying, no one comes close to the alleged child rapist. "For at least sixteen months, Donald Trump has waged an unprecedented assault on the truth. He has lied about his own biography, his policy positions and his opponent. He has lied about the unemployment rate, his opposition to the Iraq War and the state of our military. He even took credit for Budweiser’s “America” name change this summer." FINAL COUNT: SINCE JUNE, TRUMP HAS LIED 1,432 TIMES Here's Pecca attacking another white male. It never ends. It would be a nice change for him to attack a liar like Obama. White? Don't think so, Tim. http://heatst.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/trump5.jpg

Ever wondered why you only attack white males pecca? Feelings of inadequacy perhaps?? :-?

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28^th, 2016 at 12:19pm:

To annoy you

So, do you annoy people in real time face to face? How do people you suspect of having different politics to yours react when engaged with you in political discussion face to face?

Clinton's lead of more than 2 million votes continues to increase.

;)

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28^th, 2016 at 12:35pm:

Clinton's lead of more than 2 million votes continues to increase. ;)

Not quite the right answer ... as your psychiatrist I need a break to write some notes about your progress

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 28^th, 2016 at 12:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28th, 2016 at 12:35pm: Clinton's lead of more than 2 million votes continues to increase. ;) Not quite the right answer ...

Look closely at the thread title.

"Why did hillary lose so badly"?

She didn't.

She's winning the popular vote by more than 2 million votes.

https://youtu.be/BTNMtWvrKac

Sheriff David Clarke tells black people "VOTE FOR TRUMP OR STAY HOME"

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 28^th, 2016 at 12:07pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 28th, 2016 at 11:38am: Fuzzball wrote on Nov 28th, 2016 at 11:32am: Because she's a duplicitous, scheming, greedy, power hungry, fraudulent bitch who is 100% transparent............................have I missed anything out? ..................who lies constantly......... Funny you have the audacity to say that after Trump lied about almost everything. Obamacare? staying. Mexican Wall? not getting built. Deporting illegals? not happening. sucked in.

  You have to have a brain to realise it though.

hillary lost

Hillary Clinton’s popular vote lead has surpassed 2 million

http://media.salon.com/2016/11/hillary_clinton_mtr8-620x412.jpg

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28^th, 2016 at 12:20pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 28th, 2016 at 12:15pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28th, 2016 at 12:12pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 28th, 2016 at 11:38am: Fuzzball wrote on Nov 28th, 2016 at 11:32am: Because she's a duplicitous, scheming, greedy, power hungry, fraudulent bitch who is 100% transparent............................have I missed anything out? ..................who lies constantly......... When it comes to lying, no one comes close to the alleged child rapist. "For at least sixteen months, Donald Trump has waged an unprecedented assault on the truth. He has lied about his own biography, his policy positions and his opponent. He has lied about the unemployment rate, his opposition to the Iraq War and the state of our military. He even took credit for Budweiser’s “America” name change this summer." FINAL COUNT: SINCE JUNE, TRUMP HAS LIED 1,432 TIMES Here's Pecca attacking another white male. It never ends. It would be a nice change for him to attack a liar like Obama. White? Don't think so, Tim. http://heatst.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/trump5.jpg

http://heatst.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/trump5.jpg

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28^th, 2016 at 1:53pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 28th, 2016 at 12:43pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28th, 2016 at 12:35pm: Clinton's lead of more than 2 million votes continues to increase. ;) Not quite the right answer ... Look closely at the thread title. "Why did hillary lose so badly"? She didn't. She's winning the popular vote by more than 2 million votes.

I seem to recall you wet dreaming over these links (below) about predictions of Electoral College votes in Clintons favor .... Not so enthusiastic now? what did you say about the E/College after the election?


greggerypeccary
Gold Member

Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Reply #538 - Nov 7th, 2016 at 10:47am
 

Prediction: Hillary Clinton to win with at least 274 electoral votes

"With the US presidential campaign in its last hours, it's time to make The Call: Hillary Clinton will be elected president with at least 274 electoral votes."






greggerypeccary
Gold Member


Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Reply #540 - Nov 7th, 2016 at 2:39pm
 

"Our final map has Clinton winning with 352 electoral votes."

http://www.latimes.com/projects/2016-presidential-election-map/

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 29^th, 2016 at 11:52pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28th, 2016 at 1:53pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 28th, 2016 at 12:43pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28th, 2016 at 12:35pm: Clinton's lead of more than 2 million votes continues to increase. ;) Not quite the right answer ... Look closely at the thread title. "Why did hillary lose so badly"? She didn't. She's winning the popular vote by more than 2 million votes. I seem to recall you wet dreaming over these links (below) about predictions of Electoral College votes in Clintons favor .... Not so enthusiastic now? what did you say about the E/College after the election? greggerypeccary Gold Member Re: Who Will Win the Presidency? Reply #538 - Nov 7th, 2016 at 10:47am   Prediction: Hillary Clinton to win with at least 274 electoral votes "With the US presidential campaign in its last hours, it's time to make The Call: Hillary Clinton will be elected president with at least 274 electoral votes." greggerypeccary Gold Member Re: Who Will Win the Presidency? Reply #540 - Nov 7th, 2016 at 2:39pm   "Our final map has Clinton winning with 352 electoral votes." http://www.latimes.com/projects/2016-presidential-election-map/

it doesn't matter anymore does it?

some of you need to stop riding Trump's cock and realise that hey, you don't even live in the USA and so you have zero skin in the game and your stupid comments mean fekk all to anyone. jesus. as someone who is living here you sound like fekking idjits - it isn't you who may lose your health insurance, or have to pay more for it, or won't be getting an hourly increase in your wage, or won't be able to get a safe abortion, or pay more in taxes because you aren't wealthy ....

AiA wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 2:52am:

some of you need to stop riding Trump's cock and realise that hey, you don't even live in the USA and so you have zero skin in the game and your stupid comments mean fekk all to anyone. jesus. as someone who is living here you sound like fekking idjits - it isn't you who may lose your health insurance, or have to pay more for it, or won't be getting an hourly increase in your wage, or won't be able to get a safe abortion, or pay more in taxes because you aren't wealthy ....

the skin that we have in the game, so to speak, is to analyse how this occured.
All people interested in self development, growth and getting smarter will have a huge appetite for studying success.
So a study of this extraordinary success is a very worthwhile thing.
It is certainly going to produce more new knowledge then a study of the mainstream media and the latest story on kittens or taylor Swifts lovelife.

What can we learn from this success.

The main lesson is for leaders to be "a man on your own terms".
i think this is important as many western leaders (male and female) have fallen into the frame of supplicating, apologising and generally trying to "manage an impression" with their voters.
Remember one of my important lessons on how the alpha male gets respect...he is on his grind, he does not supplicate, he puts out his energy, he doesnt back pedal. his frame is never "do you like me yet?".

modern parents who try to manage their kids with "do you like me yet", will have kids who treat them with disdain.
modern politicians who try to play a "weak sauce" game with the electorate, who try to "spoil their kids" so to speak , will be met with similar disdain.

People are repulsed by weak leadership. Kids know it isnt good for them.
Voters know that it isnt good for them.

They are looking to someone with confidence, someone who is bursting with energy, someone who is a dominator, someone who does not give a f*ck what the media and the mainstream say about him, someone who never apologises for his raw masculine powerful energy.

They found this man in Donald Trump.

future politicians need to learn this lesson.

Putin
Dutertee
Trump.

the world is craving strength, power and dominators to lead. This is the way its always been. Our amygdila, our reticular activating system have been honed to focus on these things as the signs of leadership for 40,000 years.

You cant make people like "weak sauce, mediocre, nice guys, with limp wrists who want to rule by consensus and suck up to the electorate".
It was always an evolutionary blip and now we are back to how things should be, how mother nature intended them.
We are back to a mighty stallion leading the herd and not some flea bitten runt of a gelding that runs around trying to bribe us with a few soggy carrots. Awesome news

AiA wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 2:52am:

some of you need to stop riding Trump's cock and realise that hey, you don't even live in the USA and so you have zero skin in the game and your stupid comments mean fekk all to anyone. jesus. as someone who is living here you sound like fekking idjits - it isn't you who may lose your health insurance, or have to pay more for it, or won't be getting an hourly increase in your wage, or won't be able to get a safe abortion, or pay more in taxes because you aren't wealthy ....

All very true...

What should and does concern us, though, is that US Administrations, above all others, shape political thought in Australia.

What the US President says (or his attitude) is usually mirrored (either directly or cryptically) by Australian politicians.

And, of course, the balance of power in the Pacific will certainly be dramatically altered by an isolationist US Administration and altered as dramatically (if not more so) for Australians than since WW2 when Australia first realised its greater destiny lay with the US over Britain.

For all these reasons, a taciturn, erratic and arguably mentally unstable US President (who appears to favour extricating the US from the Western Pacific) will force Australia to rethink its fate by the (fast-forming) imperative of aligning with China over America as the primary guarantor of its security and economy. The consequences for Australian socio-political values should rate, in the opinion of Australians, as a 9 on the future nation-building 'Richter scale'.

As for who gets to be appointed to Cabinet positions in Trump's Administration, for Australians (as you allude), not such a big deal... And besides, Trump has a habit of publically falling out with just about everyone, so the US Cabinet is likely to be the end-point of a well-used revolving door.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 7:16am:

AiA wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 2:52am: some of you need to stop riding Trump's cock and realise that hey, you don't even live in the USA and so you have zero skin in the game and your stupid comments mean fekk all to anyone. jesus. as someone who is living here you sound like fekking idjits - it isn't you who may lose your health insurance, or have to pay more for it, or won't be getting an hourly increase in your wage, or won't be able to get a safe abortion, or pay more in taxes because you aren't wealthy .... All very true... What should and does concern us, though, is that US Administrations, above all others, shape political thought in Australia. What the US President says (or his attitude) is usually mirrored (either directly or cryptically) by Australian politicians. And, of course, the balance of power in the Pacific will certainly be dramatically altered by an isolationist US Administration and altered as dramatically (if not more so) for Australians than since WW2 when Australia first realised its greater destiny lay with the US over Britain. For all these reasons, a taciturn, erratic and arguably mentally unstable US President (who appears to favour extricating the US from the Western Pacific) will force Australia to rethink its fate by the (fast-forming) imperative of aligning with China over America as the primary guarantor of its security and economy. The consequences for Australian socio-political values should rate, in the opinion of Australians, as a 9 on the future nation-building 'Richter scale'. As for who gets to be appointed to Cabinet positions in Trump's Administration, for Australians (as you allude), not such a big deal... And besides, Trump has a habit of publically falling out with just about everyone, so the US Cabinet is likely to be the end-point of a well-used revolving door.

when i say i welcome our new Chinese overlords, it is from the frame that i am a successful guy and i will enjoy watching the chinese masters deal out the harsh discipline and brutal work ethic to our scrubby citizens.
But NoN, as a leftie intellectual, you SURELY arent suggesting all those mediocre durrrrr state numpties that the left molly coddle and supplicate to are going to enjoy chinese influence. they are going to hate it.
they are going to hate the chinese like a fat kid hates being put on a green vegetable juice diet and made to run laps of the oval  ;)

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 29^th, 2016 at 11:52pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28th, 2016 at 1:53pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 28th, 2016 at 12:43pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28th, 2016 at 12:35pm: Clinton's lead of more than 2 million votes continues to increase. ;) Not quite the right answer ... Look closely at the thread title. "Why did hillary lose so badly"? She didn't. She's winning the popular vote by more than 2 million votes. I seem to recall you wet dreaming over these links (below) about predictions of Electoral College votes in Clintons favor .... Not so enthusiastic now? what did you say about the E/College after the election?

I said that Trump won the election, thanks to the Electoral College.

However, more people voted for Clinton, thus, America didn't get the President they wanted.

aquascoot wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 8:02am:

when i say i welcome our new Chinese overlords, it is from the frame that i am a successful guy and i will enjoy watching the chinese masters deal out the harsh discipline and brutal work ethic to our scrubby citizens. But NoN, as a leftie intellectual, you SURELY arent suggesting all those mediocre durrrrr state numpties that the left molly coddle and supplicate to are going to enjoy chinese influence. they are going to hate it. they are going to hate the chinese like a fat kid hates being put on a green vegetable juice diet and made to run laps of the oval  ;)

You're presuming (of course) that the Chinese will naturally want to advance the fortunes of the (accidental) Anglo-Saxon antipodeans over the ascendancy of ethnic Chinese and south-east Asians?

I'd guess the Chinese don't consider Tony Robbins (a just-add-water 'Hollywood healer' in the tradition of the belt-it-out primal-screaming Arthur Yanov), as the bromantic love-partner philosopher-king that you do...

Theirs would be more of a sino-centric Asiatic forged by 5000 years of civilisation, given literary expression by Buddhism and Confucianism, whose inherited, collective sense of self has just been awoken after 500 years of political, scientific, social and cultural stagnation... I'd be betting that the fortunes of the non-Chinese would not be high on the Chinese agenda nor rank in their thinking...

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 8:20am:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 8:02am: when i say i welcome our new Chinese overlords, it is from the frame that i am a successful guy and i will enjoy watching the chinese masters deal out the harsh discipline and brutal work ethic to our scrubby citizens. But NoN, as a leftie intellectual, you SURELY arent suggesting all those mediocre durrrrr state numpties that the left molly coddle and supplicate to are going to enjoy chinese influence. they are going to hate it. they are going to hate the chinese like a fat kid hates being put on a green vegetable juice diet and made to run laps of the oval  ;) You're presuming (of course) that the Chinese will naturally want to advance the fortunes of the (accidental) Anglo-Saxon antipodeans over the ascendancy of ethnic Chinese and south-east Asians? I'd guess the Chinese don't consider Tony Robbins (a just-add-water 'Hollywood healer' in the tradition of the belt-it-out primal-screaming Arthur Yanov), as the bromantic love-partner philosopher-king that you do... Theirs would be more of a sino-centric Asiatic forged by 5000 years of civilisation, given literary expression by Buddhism and Confucianism, whose inherited, collective sense of self has just been awoken after 500 years of political, scientific, social and cultural stagnation... I'd be betting that the fortunes of the non-Chinese would not be high on the Chinese agenda nor rank in their thinking...

exactly north,  the americans are like rowdy mates at a BBQ, just vibing with us aussie home-boys.

the chinese will turn up at your BBQ,  start checking out the bedrooms and bathrooms, buy the joint, and employ you to clean the dunny and then not pay your sorry a*ss.
the leftie scrubs better get used to scrounging chow mein scraps from the dumpsters

aquascoot wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 8:24am:

the leftie scrubs better get used to scrounging chow mein scraps from the dumpsters

As you might need to when you're in town, away from your desert humpy hideout!

aquascoot wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 8:24am:

the leftie scrubs better get used to scrounging chow mein scraps from the dumpsters

Waste not want not.. The Chinese just keep reheating/cycling until it is all gone..

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 8:29am:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 8:24am: the leftie scrubs better get used to scrounging chow mein scraps from the dumpsters As you might need to when you're in town, away from your desert humpy hideout!

I live almost exclusively surrounded by chinese neighbours in the city and my farm has had chinese visitors.  i think i understand their mentality.
Let me just say that they are quite ruthless, very focussed and very much dedicated to seeing their families move up "the narrow road to success".
I try to pass this information on to some of the dumbies in my family but it usually falls on deaf ears.
i see the chinese takeover (well the asian takeover) of australia as fairly inevitable. i vibe with their values.
if you dont bring value in chinese society, you are pretty much a piece of garbage.
All australian citizens be warned...you better bring value and lots of it to the table or you are about to become totally irrelevant.
This is evolutionary pressure to move up.
some evolutionary pressure is about to be put on our population...bring it on .
457 visa holders are just the first wave.
Wait and see what the asians who have citizenship have in store for the scrubby citizens. Disconnect your foxtel and hit the business books  ;)

aquascoot wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 9:10am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 8:29am: aquascoot wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 8:24am: the leftie scrubs better get used to scrounging chow mein scraps from the dumpsters As you might need to when you're in town, away from your desert humpy hideout! I live almost exclusively surrounded by chinese neighbours in the city and my farm has had chinese visitors.  i think i understand their mentality. Let me just say that they are quite ruthless, very focussed and very much dedicated to seeing their families move up "the narrow road to success". I try to pass this information on to some of the dumbies in my family but it usually falls on deaf ears. i see the chinese takeover (well the asian takeover) of australia as fairly inevitable. i vibe with their values. if you dont bring value in chinese society, you are pretty much a piece of garbage. All australian citizens be warned...you better bring value and lots of it to the table or you are about to become totally irrelevant. This is evolutionary pressure to move up. some evolutionary pressure is about to be put on our population...bring it on . 457 visa holders are just the first wave. Wait and see what the asians who have citizenship have in store for the scrubby citizens. Disconnect your foxtel and hit the business books  ;)

You're setting yourself up to be one of their 'useful idiots'.

Nothing to fear about the Chinese on the economic front. Why is America the leading economy in the world? It doesnt have the biggest population. What it does have is INNOVATION. How many new technologies come from anywhere BUT USA? very few. Economic leadership is founding on innovation and hard-work. What was the last genuine technological innovation the Chinese made? FIREWORKS.

This is a worry, just how much can we sell off


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/mining-energy/chinese-make-a-gold-rush-for-13bn-super-pit-stake/news-story/05fc29c6632a81322c11a3d565740015



MINING & ENERGY
Chinese make a gold rush for $1.3bn Super Pit stake

The Super Pit mine in Kalgoorlie, WA.
The Australian12:00AM November 21, 2016

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PAUL GARVEY
Resources reporterPerth
@PDGarvey

Half of Australia’s most famous gold mine will fall into Chinese hands after a little-known group blew Australian bidders out of the water with a $1.3 billion-plus bid for a stake in Kalgoorlie’s Super Pit.

In what is shaping as another stern test for the Foreign Investment Review Board, Minjar Gold — a subsidiary of Shanghai-listed property group Shandong Tyan Home — will buy the 50 per cent Super Pit stake owned by North American mining giant Barrick Gold.

The deal, which is expected to be announced today, is conditional on FIRB approval and will give Minjar a half share of the 800,000 ounces of gold produced from the Super Pit each year.

The storied mine is the latest in a string of Australian assets to ­attract high-priced takeovers from Chinese interests.

Chinese groups hit heavy political resistance when trying to buy Australian cattle group S. Kidman & Co — the owner of the largest private landholding in Australia — before partnering Australia’s richest woman Gina Rinehart in a successful bid. Scott Morrison in August also blocked Chinese bids for NSW electricity distributor Ausgrid on national interest grounds.

Minjar is understood to have beaten a rival bid from Australia’s biggest gold producer, Newcrest Mining. A successful offer from Newcrest would have returned the Super Pit into Australian hands for the first time since 2002.

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 9:23am:

Nothing to fear about the Chinese on the economic front. Why is America the leading economy in the world? It doesnt have the biggest population. What it does have is INNOVATION. How many new technologies come from anywhere BUT USA? very few. Economic leadership is founding on innovation and hard-work. What was the last genuine technological innovation the Chinese made? FIREWORKS.

But then again there's all those cheaply manufactured goods like:

textiles and electronic equipment, including toys, DVD players, mobile phones, shoes, clothes, food products, sea food, body jewellery, kitchen wares, etc. 50% of cameras, 30% of air conditioners and televisions, 25% of washing machines, and 20% of refrigerators.

Then there's agricultural products and chemicals, half of the world's cement and flat glass, and about a third of its aluminium.

In 2006, China overtook Japan as the second-largest producer of cars and trucks after the United States. Out of the world's five busiest ports in the world, three are in China.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 9:28am:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 9:23am: Nothing to fear about the Chinese on the economic front. Why is America the leading economy in the world? It doesnt have the biggest population. What it does have is INNOVATION. How many new technologies come from anywhere BUT USA? very few. Economic leadership is founding on innovation and hard-work. What was the last genuine technological innovation the Chinese made? FIREWORKS. But then again there's all those cheaply manufactured goods like: textiles and electronic equipment, including toys, DVD players, mobile phones, shoes, clothes, food products, sea food, body jewellery, kitchen wares, etc. 50% of cameras, 30% of air conditioners and televisions, 25% of washing machines, and 20% of refrigerators. Then there's agricultural products and chemicals, half of the world's cement and flat glass, and about a third of its aluminium. In 2006, China overtook Japan as the second-largest producer of cars and trucks after the United States. Out of the world's five busiest ports in the world, three are in China.

And not one of them were invented by the CHinese and a vast majority of them are counterfeits of western products. My point is that they dont represent a genuine economic threat while they fail to innovate. There is one chinese car that is 100% identical to an american one. Others are merely 98% identical.

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 9:39am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 9:28am: longweekend58 wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 9:23am: Nothing to fear about the Chinese on the economic front. Why is America the leading economy in the world? It doesnt have the biggest population. What it does have is INNOVATION. How many new technologies come from anywhere BUT USA? very few. Economic leadership is founding on innovation and hard-work. What was the last genuine technological innovation the Chinese made? FIREWORKS. But then again there's all those cheaply manufactured goods like: textiles and electronic equipment, including toys, DVD players, mobile phones, shoes, clothes, food products, sea food, body jewellery, kitchen wares, etc. 50% of cameras, 30% of air conditioners and televisions, 25% of washing machines, and 20% of refrigerators. Then there's agricultural products and chemicals, half of the world's cement and flat glass, and about a third of its aluminium. In 2006, China overtook Japan as the second-largest producer of cars and trucks after the United States. Out of the world's five busiest ports in the world, three are in China. And not one of them were invented by the CHinese and a vast majority of them are counterfeits of western products. My point is that they dont represent a genuine economic threat while they fail to innovate. There is one chinese car that is 100% identical to an american one. Others are merely 98% identical.

True, up to a point.
American "creators' still dominate.
Venture capitalism is alive and well in silicon valley.
But these are global companies and just because Apple, Google, Facebook, Intel , Disney and HBO are world leaders , doesnt mean the money flows back to the american population.
A few americans will climb the "narrow road to success" and follow in Steve Jobs footsteps. But a lot are like our citizens...stuck in a durrrr state, watching endless episodes of "american idol" and living off the borrowed dime, they arent really bringing any value to the table.
Sadly for them, they will be treated like a piece of garbage. i hate to break it to people, this harsh reality of the global economy.

You can be a nice person, a good neighbour, a valubale member of your kids school community, a valuable member of the church.
But if you dont bring value to the marketplace, you are just garbage, your financial situation is about to become garbage and whining to a politician to fix it is foolish.
Dont ask that this was easier, ask that you were better

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 9:39am:

And not one of them were invented by the CHinese and a vast majority of them are counterfeits of western products. My point is that they dont represent a genuine economic threat while they fail to innovate. There is one chinese car that is 100% identical to an american one. Others are merely 98% identical.

You're forgetting that the Chinese 'knock-off' is at least 50% cheaper for the consumer.

The Chinese are also the world's foremost offender without conscience of copyright infringement and right up there on technological/industrial cyber-spying...

It doesn't make a lot of difference who invented a thing... Its who gets it to market cheapest, is the one who wins.

BTW read up on Joseph Needham for an exhaustive history of Chinese innovation.

Agnes wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 12:14am:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 29th, 2016 at 11:52pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28th, 2016 at 1:53pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 28th, 2016 at 12:43pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28th, 2016 at 12:35pm: Clinton's lead of more than 2 million votes continues to increase. ;) Not quite the right answer ... Look closely at the thread title. "Why did hillary lose so badly"? She didn't. She's winning the popular vote by more than 2 million votes. I seem to recall you wet dreaming over these links (below) about predictions of Electoral College votes in Clintons favor .... Not so enthusiastic now? what did you say about the E/College after the election? greggerypeccary Gold Member Re: Who Will Win the Presidency? Reply #538 - Nov 7th, 2016 at 10:47am   Prediction: Hillary Clinton to win with at least 274 electoral votes "With the US presidential campaign in its last hours, it's time to make The Call: Hillary Clinton will be elected president with at least 274 electoral votes." greggerypeccary Gold Member Re: Who Will Win the Presidency? Reply #540 - Nov 7th, 2016 at 2:39pm   "Our final map has Clinton winning with 352 electoral votes." http://www.latimes.com/projects/2016-presidential-election-map/ it doesn't matter anymore does it?

It mightn't matter except our resident broken record hasn't yet told us which election system he would like see replace the current indirect E/College of electing presidents

If peccary is satisfied with the way the president is elected, then he/she should shut up saying "America didn't get the President they voted for". If peccary isn't satisfied, then it would be constructive if he/she offered his/her opinion on which system he/she thinks would be better.

So the challenge now for peccary is to articulate a "better" election system for the United States. Offering an idea for another system would be the natural extension in the conversation for someone saying: "America didn't get the president they voted for" (and minor variations of it) over and over

peccary posted that Clinton received direct votes. peccary lied, so don't count on he/she offering anything sensible, honest or rational

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 10:02am:

If peccary is satisfied with the way the president is elected, then he/she should shut up saying "America didn't get the President they voted for". If peccary isn't satisfied, then it would be constructive if he/she offered his/her opinion on which system he/she thinks would be better. So the challenge now for peccary is to articulate a "better" election system for the United States. Offering an idea for another system would be the natural extension in the conversation for someone saying: "America didn't get the president they voted for" (and minor variations of it) over and over peccary posted that Clinton received direct votes. peccary lied, so don't count on he/she offering anything sensible, honest or rational

You could try ignoring the subject and moving on...

hillary lost so badly because ......

https://youtu.be/V-TKww2bqFY

Judge Napolitano: Enough evidence to prosecute Clinton for espionage

"Clinton has registered 64,654,483 total votes, compared to 62,418,820 for Trump, according to a Cook Political Report analysis Monday.

"That represents a margin of 2,235,663 in the popular vote.

"Clinton garnered 48.2 percent of the popular vote, while Trump earned just 46.5 percent, good for a 1.7 point margin."

Clinton, Trump Latest 2016 Election Results: Popular Vote Tally Has President-Elect Way Behind Democrat

;D

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 10:19am:

"Clinton has registered 64,654,483 total votes, compared to 62,418,820 for Trump

They're not direct votes though, as you asserted in one of your posts about the people wanting Clinton

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 10:43am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 10:19am: "Clinton has registered 64,654,483 total votes, compared to 62,418,820 for Trump They're not direct votes though, as you asserted in one of your posts about the people wanting Clinton

America is not getting the President they wanted.

This is crystal clear.

https://youtu.be/tSK64mwXqGY


Rep. Chaffetz: We're not done with Hillary Clinton

'...........she did create one of the biggest security breaches in the history of the stage department...'

A key expert says Trump's claim that 'millions' of illegal voters won Clinton the popular vote is 'not at all' plausible


http://16004-presscdn-0-50.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/hillary-laughing.jpg

will this ever end?????

cods wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 11:03am:

will this ever end?????

It will, but not for a while yet.

America quite clearly did not get the President they wanted.

The next two years will be interesting.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 10:45am:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 10:43am: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 10:19am: "Clinton has registered 64,654,483 total votes, compared to 62,418,820 for Trump They're not direct votes though, as you asserted in one of your posts about the people wanting Clinton America is not getting the President they wanted. This is crystal clear.

greggerypeccary
Gold Member


Re: Why did Trump win so handsomely
Reply #16 - Nov 24th, 2016 at 6:21pm


Trump won according to the rules



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The rules were for voting indirectly, voting for a slate of E/College Electors. Now what system do you think the United States should switch to, to vote directly for candidates? Don't be gutless on this, have your say, which system?

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 11:15am:

Trump won according to the rules

Correct.

However, America is not getting the President they wanted.

Clinton's huge lead in the popular vote proves this beyond all doubt.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 11:35am:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 11:15am: Trump won according to the rules Correct. However, America is not getting the President they wanted. Clinton's huge lead in the popular vote proves this beyond all doubt.

Therefore you must want to propose a new direct voting system for the United States, go ahead, lets see your proposal

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 11:42am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 11:35am: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 11:15am: Trump won according to the rules Correct. However, America is not getting the President they wanted. Clinton's huge lead in the popular vote proves this beyond all doubt. Therefore you must want to propose a new direct voting system for the United States ...

Incorrect.

I'm merely stating the facts.

America is not getting the President they wanted.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 11:13am:

cods wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 11:03am: will this ever end????? It will, but not for a while yet. America quite clearly did not get the President they wanted. The next two years will be interesting.

oh god not two more years of complaining whining...whingeing toenail ripping off...



https://cornbreadandbourbon.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/hell_forever_and_ever.jpg

cods wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 12:10pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 11:13am: cods wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 11:03am: will this ever end????? It will, but not for a while yet. America quite clearly did not get the President they wanted. The next two years will be interesting. oh god not two more years of complaining whining...whingeing toenail ripping off... https://cornbreadandbourbon.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/hell_forever_and_ever.jpg

Yes, leftards, Cods did say this.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 11:56am:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 11:42am: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 11:35am: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 11:15am: Trump won according to the rules Correct. However, America is not getting the President they wanted. Clinton's huge lead in the popular vote proves this beyond all doubt. Therefore you must want to propose a new direct voting system for the United States ... Incorrect. I'm merely stating the facts. America is not getting the President they wanted.

It's a pity they didn't take you up on your bet, Greggery. We'd have a lot of new socks here, that's for sure.

We'd have more new socks than a Matty meltdown.

Melanias purse wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 12:31pm:

It's a pity they didn't take you up on your bet, Greggery. We'd have a lot of new socks here, that's for sure. We'd have more new socks than a Matty meltdown.

You're joshing of course Karnal, peccary lost his bet with Herb, Frank, myself and one or two others if I remember correctly

Melanias purse wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 12:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 11:56am: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 11:42am: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 11:35am: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 11:15am: Trump won according to the rules Correct. However, America is not getting the President they wanted. Clinton's huge lead in the popular vote proves this beyond all doubt. Therefore you must want to propose a new direct voting system for the United States ... Incorrect. I'm merely stating the facts. America is not getting the President they wanted. It's a pity they didn't take you up on your bet, Greggery. We'd have a lot of new socks here, that's for sure. We'd have more new socks than a Matty meltdown.

True.

Too true.

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/03/0340175255bc0b43ece73ba2d7b9586e5b9d9440da7303167a7ebf6310a48bfb.jpg

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 11:56am:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 11:42am: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 11:35am: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 11:15am: Trump won according to the rules Correct. However, America is not getting the President they wanted. Clinton's huge lead in the popular vote proves this beyond all doubt. Therefore you must want to propose a new direct voting system for the United States ... Incorrect. I'm merely stating the facts. America is not getting the President they wanted.

No, you're not stating the correct facts, the United States got the president (Trump) they voted for under the only system they have at their disposal

Your so called "facts" derive from your passive aggressiveness and your belief that the vote was a direct vote, or that it should have been [a direct vote]

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 1:21pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 11:56am: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 11:42am: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 11:35am: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 11:15am: Trump won according to the rules Correct. However, America is not getting the President they wanted. Clinton's huge lead in the popular vote proves this beyond all doubt. Therefore you must want to propose a new direct voting system for the United States ... Incorrect. I'm merely stating the facts. America is not getting the President they wanted. No, you're not stating the correct facts, ...

I most certainly am.

America is not getting the President they want (fact).

Clinton's huge lead in the popular vote (fact) proves this beyond all doubt (fact).

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 1:06pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 12:31pm: It's a pity they didn't take you up on your bet, Greggery. We'd have a lot of new socks here, that's for sure. We'd have more new socks than a Matty meltdown. You're joshing of course Karnal, peccary lost his bet with Herb, Frank, myself and one or two others if I remember correctly

Did you bet? I can't remember anyone gambling on a Trump win.

The problem is, Trump's "win" is tainted. He lost the popular vote. A number of Republican voters have confessed to voter fraud. A number of counties have been reported to reject black voters.

Trump himself warned that Hillary would be an "illegitimate" president. A Hilary win would be contested, based on a flawed erection process.

I'm sorry, Bias. You and Frank will need to come back in drag.

Melanias purse wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 1:42pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 1:06pm: Melanias purse wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 12:31pm: It's a pity they didn't take you up on your bet, Greggery. We'd have a lot of new socks here, that's for sure. We'd have more new socks than a Matty meltdown. You're joshing of course Karnal, peccary lost his bet with Herb, Frank, myself and one or two others if I remember correctly Did you bet? I can't remember anyone gambling on a Trump win. The problem is, Trump's "win" is tainted. He lost the popular vote. A number of Republican voters have confessed to voter fraud. A number of counties have been reported to reject black voters. Trump himself warned that Hillary would be an "illegitimate" president. A Hilary win would be contested, based on a flawed erection process. I'm sorry, Bias. You and Frank will need to come back in drag.

Hehe put your glasses on Karnal ....

You're joshing of course Karnal, peccary lost his bet with Herb, Frank and myself. Gordon too I think

Enough drag for you?

Melanias purse wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 1:42pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 1:06pm: Melanias purse wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 12:31pm: It's a pity they didn't take you up on your bet, Greggery. We'd have a lot of new socks here, that's for sure. We'd have more new socks than a Matty meltdown. You're joshing of course Karnal, peccary lost his bet with Herb, Frank, myself and one or two others if I remember correctly Did you bet? I can't remember anyone gambling on a Trump win.

Calm your tits Karnal, Gregg has made it more than clear he is not going anywhere. 

Just another lie.


greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 2:16pm:

Absolutely nothing changes for me: if Trump wins, I will leave this forum forever, even if no one else takes me up on the bet.

And if you are thinking about making it conditional on the college confirmation that doesn't wash either, he bragged about doing some dancing on election night after Hilary won...you know, as well as the multiple posts day after day declaring a win for Hilary and anyone who thought different was a moron. 

As events transpired the only moron was him, and he ain't going anywhere, this forum is his life.

But he has demonstrated to much hilarity and with clarity the dubious nature of his character. 

We would never see Frank create a sock, Bias. He has way too much integrity for that.

Herbie would. He'd do anything to promote the cause.

Secret Wars wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 1:59pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 1:42pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 1:06pm: Melanias purse wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 12:31pm: It's a pity they didn't take you up on your bet, Greggery. We'd have a lot of new socks here, that's for sure. We'd have more new socks than a Matty meltdown. You're joshing of course Karnal, peccary lost his bet with Herb, Frank, myself and one or two others if I remember correctly Did you bet? I can't remember anyone gambling on a Trump win. Calm your tits Karnal, Gregg has made it more than clear he is not going anywhere.  Just another lie. greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:16pm: Absolutely nothing changes for me: if Trump wins, I will leave this forum forever, even if no one else takes me up on the bet. And if you are thinking about making it conditional on the college confirmation that doesn't wash either, he bragged about doing some dancing on election night after Hilary won...you know, as well as the multiple posts day after day declaring a win for Hilary and anyone who thought different was a nice person.  As events transpired the only nice person was him, and he ain't going anywhere, this forum is his life. But he has demonstrated to much hilarity and with clarity the dubious nature of his character.

Greggery? Is this true?

Secret Wars wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 1:59pm:

... he bragged about doing some dancing on election night after Hilary won...

Oh yeah, I forgot the dancing.

"Democrat Hillary Clinton’s popular vote lead over Donald Trump has surpassed two million votes."

That's a pretty substantial win.


http://buzzsharer.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/pop-music-dance-man-gif.gif

Melanias purse wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 2:02pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 1:59pm: Melanias purse wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 1:42pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 1:06pm: Melanias purse wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 12:31pm: It's a pity they didn't take you up on your bet, Greggery. We'd have a lot of new socks here, that's for sure. We'd have more new socks than a Matty meltdown. You're joshing of course Karnal, peccary lost his bet with Herb, Frank, myself and one or two others if I remember correctly Did you bet? I can't remember anyone gambling on a Trump win. Calm your tits Karnal, Gregg has made it more than clear he is not going anywhere.  Just another lie. greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:16pm: Absolutely nothing changes for me: if Trump wins, I will leave this forum forever, even if no one else takes me up on the bet. And if you are thinking about making it conditional on the college confirmation that doesn't wash either, he bragged about doing some dancing on election night after Hilary won...you know, as well as the multiple posts day after day declaring a win for Hilary and anyone who thought different was a nice person.  As events transpired the only nice person was him, and he ain't going anywhere, this forum is his life. But he has demonstrated to much hilarity and with clarity the dubious nature of his character.  Greggery? Is this true?

;D ;D ;D ;D  is this true?  I am here not a sixth of the time that you live here and you didn't notice?   It's not like Gregg is an occasional poster, the idiot spends as much time as you here and is just as prolific in posts. 

What do you do here all day if it ain't reading posts? 8-)

https://youtu.be/MXxGPDBRUzs

Chris Matthews utterly destroys Rachel Maddow on Hillary Clinton

'...........i never heard hillary railing these stupid wars ......... against these trade deals ........ or for an comprehensive immigration policy ..................'

Melanias purse wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 2:02pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 1:59pm: Melanias purse wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 1:42pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 1:06pm: Melanias purse wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 12:31pm: It's a pity they didn't take you up on your bet, Greggery. We'd have a lot of new socks here, that's for sure. We'd have more new socks than a Matty meltdown. You're joshing of course Karnal, peccary lost his bet with Herb, Frank, myself and one or two others if I remember correctly Did you bet? I can't remember anyone gambling on a Trump win. Calm your tits Karnal, Gregg has made it more than clear he is not going anywhere.  Just another lie. greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:16pm: Absolutely nothing changes for me: if Trump wins, I will leave this forum forever, even if no one else takes me up on the bet. And if you are thinking about making it conditional on the college confirmation that doesn't wash either, he bragged about doing some dancing on election night after Hilary won...you know, as well as the multiple posts day after day declaring a win for Hilary and anyone who thought different was a nice person.  As events transpired the only nice person was him, and he ain't going anywhere, this forum is his life. But he has demonstrated to much hilarity and with clarity the dubious nature of his character.  Greggery? Is this true?

Yes.

I bragged about doing some dancing on election night.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2VQQEoWlTg

Melanias purse wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 2:01pm:

We would never see Frank create a sock, Bias. He has way too much integrity for that. Herbie would. He'd do anything to promote the cause.

Not that they need to do anything at all Karnal, they won the bet


Hillary lost the election because she couldn't stay up-right when getting into that black people mover, she looked like she was as drunk as a Lord  .... unfit to be president

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 3:57pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 2:01pm: We would never see Frank create a sock, Bias. He has way too much integrity for that. Herbie would. He'd do anything to promote the cause. Not that they need to do anything at all Karnal, they won the bet Hillary lost the election because she couldn't stay up-right when getting into that black people mover, she looked like she was as drunk as a Lord  .... unfit to be president

Good heavens. Do the people who operate the black people mover decide who will become president?

Someone should have told Mr Trump that. He could have not bothered to campaign at all.

But where would be the fun in that?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 3:00pm:

https://youtu.be/MXxGPDBRUzs Chris Matthews utterly destroys Rachel Maddow on Hillary Clinton '...........i never heard hillary railing these stupid wars ......... against these trade deals ........ or for an comprehensive immigration policy ..................'

More fox news ?.. no wait

Melanias purse wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 5:02pm:

Good heavens. Do the people who operate the black people mover decide who will become president?

Yes, indirectly, along with millions of other people. But I bet I know who those people mover guys really voted for

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 3:57pm:

she looked like she was as drunk as a Lord  .... unfit to be president

Yet, she was still the preferred President, as is evinced in her massive lead in the popular vote.

America didn't get the President they want.

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 3:57pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 2:01pm: We would never see Frank create a sock, Bias. He has way too much integrity for that. Herbie would. He'd do anything to promote the cause. Not that they need to do anything at all Karnal, they won the bet Hillary lost the election because she couldn't stay up-right when getting into that black people mover, she looked like she was as drunk as a Lord  .... unfit to be president

drunk as the lord, or out of it on crack cocaine, or out of control on some medication.

What was it she dropped then, a crack pipe ?

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 1:21pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 11:56am: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 11:42am: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 11:35am: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 11:15am: Trump won according to the rules Correct. However, America is not getting the President they wanted. Clinton's huge lead in the popular vote proves this beyond all doubt. Therefore you must want to propose a new direct voting system for the United States ... Incorrect. I'm merely stating the facts. America is not getting the President they wanted. No, you're not stating the correct facts, the United States got the president (Trump) they voted for under the only system they have at their disposal Your so called "facts" derive from your passive aggressiveness and your belief that the vote was a direct vote, or that it should have been [a direct vote]

the United States got the president (Trump) they voted for under the only system they have at their disposal


You are correct and nobody disagrees however it is a fact that over 2,000,000 people more voted for his opponent.

That means that more people do not want him as president than any other president in history.

Melanias purse wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 1:42pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 1:06pm: Melanias purse wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 12:31pm: It's a pity they didn't take you up on your bet, Greggery. We'd have a lot of new socks here, that's for sure. We'd have more new socks than a Matty meltdown. You're joshing of course Karnal, peccary lost his bet with Herb, Frank, myself and one or two others if I remember correctly Did you bet? I can't remember anyone gambling on a Trump win. The problem is, Trump's "win" is tainted. He lost the popular vote. A number of Republican voters have confessed to voter fraud. A number of counties have been reported to reject black voters. Trump himself warned that Hillary would be an "illegitimate" president. A Hilary win would be contested, based on a flawed erection process. I'm sorry, Bias. You and Frank will need to come back in drag.

They would make a good Maria ?

Melanias purse wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 2:01pm:

We would never see Frank create a sock, Bias. He has way too much integrity for that. Herbie would. He'd do anything to promote the cause.

We would never see Frank create a sock, Bias. He has way too much integrity for that.


I doubt that he even wears them, no risk at all.

Dnarever wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 8:12pm:

You are correct and nobody disagrees however it is a fact that over 2,000,000 people more voted for his opponent. That means that more people do not want him as president than any other president in history.

And this will be the thorn his side for the duration of his presidency.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 8:27pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 8:12pm: You are correct and nobody disagrees however it is a fact that over 2,000,000 people more voted for his opponent. That means that more people do not want him as president than any other president in history. And this will be the thorn his side for the duration of his presidency.

And Gregg will be posting it a couple of times a day for the next eight years.   ;D

Secret Wars wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 8:30pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 8:27pm: Dnarever wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 8:12pm: You are correct and nobody disagrees however it is a fact that over 2,000,000 people more voted for his opponent. That means that more people do not want him as president than any other president in history. And this will be the thorn his side for the duration of his presidency. And Gregg will be posting it a couple of times a day for the next eight years.   ;D

Two years.

the United States got the president (Trump) they voted for under the only system they have at their disposal


You are correct and nobody disagrees however it is a fact that over 2,000,000 people more voted for his opponent. - Dnarever



Presumably you think there was a miscarriage of justice, so what would be your solution? Change to a Direct voting system for future elections?

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 8:38pm:

the United States got the president (Trump) they voted for under the only system they have at their disposal You are correct and nobody disagrees however it is a fact that over 2,000,000 people more voted for his opponent. - Dnarever Presumably you think there was a miscarriage of justice, so what would be your solution? Change to a Direct voting system for future elections?

I believe that was Trump's solution.

Prior to the erection.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 8:34pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 8:30pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 8:27pm: Dnarever wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 8:12pm: You are correct and nobody disagrees however it is a fact that over 2,000,000 people more voted for his opponent. That means that more people do not want him as president than any other president in history. And this will be the thorn his side for the duration of his presidency. And Gregg will be posting it a couple of times a day for the next eight years.   ;D Two years.

Don't you leave after two years, Greggery. Wait until you lose the bet.

too funny   ;D

What do you think Karnal? does the US election system need changing? If so, what to, a direct total vote winner takes all system?

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 8:38pm:

the United States got the president (Trump) they voted for under the only system they have at their disposal You are correct and nobody disagrees however it is a fact that over 2,000,000 people more voted for his opponent. - Dnarever Presumably you think there was a miscarriage of justice, so what would be your solution? Change to a Direct voting system for future elections?

US elections seem to be often dubious this is just another.

think there was a miscarriage of justice


More a miscarriage of rational thought.

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 30^th, 2016 at 8:54pm:

What do you think Karnal? does the US election system need changing? If so, what to, a direct total vote winner takes all system?

I'm not sure, Bias. I'm not Amerikan.

Sprint is, I think. You?

It was rigged.!!