Results in electronic voting significantly inconsistent with paper ballots. Was POTUS election manipulated or hacked producing a result that surprised even Trump?

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/11/activists-urge-hillary-clinton-to-challenge-election-results.html


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Experts Urge Clinton Campaign to Challenge Election Results in 3 Swing States Hillary Clinton is being urged by a group of prominent computer scientists and election lawyers to call for a recount in three swing states won by Donald Trump, New York has learned. The group, which includes voting-rights attorney John Bonifaz and J. Alex Halderman, the director of the University of Michigan Center for Computer Security and Society, believes they’ve found persuasive evidence that results in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania may have been manipulated or hacked. The group is so far not speaking on the record about their findings and is focused on lobbying the Clinton team in private. Last Thursday, the activists held a conference call with Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta and campaign general counsel Marc Elias to make their case, according to a source briefed on the call. The academics presented findings showing that in Wisconsin, Clinton received 7 percent fewer votes in counties that relied on electronic-voting machines compared with counties that used optical scanners and paper ballots. Based on this statistical analysis, Clinton may have been denied as many as 30,000 votes; she lost Wisconsin by 27,000. While it’s important to note the group has not found proof of hacking or manipulation, they are arguing to the campaign that the suspicious pattern merits an independent review — especially in light of the fact that the Obama White House has accused the Russian government of hacking the Democratic National Committee. According to current tallies, Trump has won 290 Electoral College votes to Clinton’s 232, with Michigan’s 16 votes not apportioned because the race there is still too close to call. It would take overturning the results in both Wisconsin (10 Electoral College votes) and Pennsylvania (20 votes), in addition to winning Michigan’s 16, for Clinton to win the Electoral College. There is also the complicating factor of “faithless electors,” or members of the Electoral College who do not vote according to the popular vote in their states. At least six electoral voters have said they would not vote for Trump, despite the fact that he won their states. The Clinton camp is running out of time to challenge the election. According to one of the activists, the deadline in Wisconsin to file for a recount is Friday; in Pennsylvania, it’s Monday; and Michigan is next Wednesday. Whether Clinton will call for a recount remains unclear. The academics so far have only a circumstantial case that would require not just a recount but a forensic audit of voting machines. Also complicating matters, a senior Clinton adviser said, is that the White House, focused on a smooth transfer of power, does not want Clinton to challenge the election result. Clinton communications director Jennifer Palmieri did not respond to a request for comment. But some Clinton allies are intent on pushing the issue. This afternoon, Huma Abedin’s sister Heba encouraged her Facebook followers to lobby the Justice Department to audit the 2016 vote. “Call the DOJ…and tell them you want the votes audited,” she wrote. “Even if it’s busy, keep calling.” Update: Halderman has elaborated on his claims in a Medium post published Wednesday morning.

http://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/msnbc/components/video/201608/2016-08-13t22-54-09-9z--1280x720.nbcnews-ux-1080-600.jpg

couldnt agree more.. lets elect CLINTON>.

Ha Ha Ha Ha . . .you people kill me!

Whilst it is certainly a long shot, wouldnt it be incredibly funny to find that after all of Trumps claims about the election being rigged by Democrats that it turns out to actually being rigged - but by Republicans.  It would be great to see him lose the job via a recount - payback for 2000:)

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 24^th, 2016 at 3:35pm:

Whilst it is certainly a long shot, wouldnt it be incredibly funny to find that after all of Trumps claims about the election being rigged by Democrats that it turns out to actually being rigged - but by Republicans.  It would be great to see him lose the job via a recount - payback for 2000:)

It would indeed be incredibly funny.

Unforgiven wrote on Nov 24^th, 2016 at 1:32pm:

Results in electronic voting significantly inconsistent with paper ballots. Was POTUS election manipulated or hacked producing a result that surprised even Trump? http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/11/activists-urge-hillary-clinton-to-challenge-election-results.html Quote: Experts Urge Clinton Campaign to Challenge Election Results in 3 Swing States Hillary Clinton is being urged by a group of prominent computer scientists and election lawyers to call for a recount in three swing states won by Donald Trump, New York has learned. The group, which includes voting-rights attorney John Bonifaz and J. Alex Halderman, the director of the University of Michigan Center for Computer Security and Society, believes they’ve found persuasive evidence that results in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania may have been manipulated or hacked. The group is so far not speaking on the record about their findings and is focused on lobbying the Clinton team in private. Last Thursday, the activists held a conference call with Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta and campaign general counsel Marc Elias to make their case, according to a source briefed on the call. The academics presented findings showing that in Wisconsin, Clinton received 7 percent fewer votes in counties that relied on electronic-voting machines compared with counties that used optical scanners and paper ballots. Based on this statistical analysis, Clinton may have been denied as many as 30,000 votes; she lost Wisconsin by 27,000. While it’s important to note the group has not found proof of hacking or manipulation, they are arguing to the campaign that the suspicious pattern merits an independent review — especially in light of the fact that the Obama White House has accused the Russian government of hacking the Democratic National Committee. According to current tallies, Trump has won 290 Electoral College votes to Clinton’s 232, with Michigan’s 16 votes not apportioned because the race there is still too close to call. It would take overturning the results in both Wisconsin (10 Electoral College votes) and Pennsylvania (20 votes), in addition to winning Michigan’s 16, for Clinton to win the Electoral College. There is also the complicating factor of “faithless electors,” or members of the Electoral College who do not vote according to the popular vote in their states. At least six electoral voters have said they would not vote for Trump, despite the fact that he won their states. The Clinton camp is running out of time to challenge the election. According to one of the activists, the deadline in Wisconsin to file for a recount is Friday; in Pennsylvania, it’s Monday; and Michigan is next Wednesday. Whether Clinton will call for a recount remains unclear. The academics so far have only a circumstantial case that would require not just a recount but a forensic audit of voting machines. Also complicating matters, a senior Clinton adviser said, is that the White House, focused on a smooth transfer of power, does not want Clinton to challenge the election result. Clinton communications director Jennifer Palmieri did not respond to a request for comment. But some Clinton allies are intent on pushing the issue. This afternoon, Huma Abedin’s sister Heba encouraged her Facebook followers to lobby the Justice Department to audit the 2016 vote. “Call the DOJ…and tell them you want the votes audited,” she wrote. “Even if it’s busy, keep calling.” Update: Halderman has elaborated on his claims in a Medium post published Wednesday morning.

The shill media robbed america: get over it!

Trump highlighted the shill media and connected it to wall street and loss of jobs!

Game over, Trump has 8 years with the power he won on the back of exposing the shill media and therefore the shill that democracy has become.

Old man murder** front bottom can't breathe now : cool ay  ;)

Trump backflipped on climate change... the media can't call hypocrisy and he knows it so he can do anything and the fourth pillar gets a refurbishment   ;) ;) ;) ;)


WHAT IS DEMOCRACY AGAIN?

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 24^th, 2016 at 4:20pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 24th, 2016 at 3:35pm: Whilst it is certainly a long shot, wouldnt it be incredibly funny to find that after all of Trumps claims about the election being rigged by Democrats that it turns out to actually being rigged - but by Republicans.  It would be great to see him lose the job via a recount - payback for 2000:) It would indeed be incredibly funny.

But can you imagine the riots that would occur???  unprecedented and massive. But it is but a pipedream because it requires a recount to change the result in three states - virtually impossible. And there is always the Supreme Court hanging around waiting to order a stop to a recount for reasons of its own - like in 2000.

Trump has 8 years: the markets have accepted it!

There's certainly some possibility of tampering:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=aZws98jw67g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=aZws98jw67g

https://medium.com/@jhalderm/want-to-know-if-the-election-was-hacked-look-at-the-ballots-c61a6113b0ba#.b09gn9qjo

Candidate Jill Stein mooting recount

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/fair-election-serious-hard-explain-questions-arise-about-trump-vote-totals-3-key


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North Carolina Election night’s official returns had Trump beating Clinton by 178,000 votes and the Democratic Senate candidate also losing by roughy the same margin. In other races in the state, however, such as governor and attorney general, the GOP lost and there is a controversial gubernatorial recount underway in which the Republican incumbent, Gov. Pat McCrory, has accused Democrats of voter fraud. But beyond that predictably partisan finger-pointing, what happened across the state on Election Day has become the focus of serious concern for the election integrity experts. In one Democratic epicenter, Durham County, the state’s voter registration database and e-poll books tied into it were down, prompting long lines, delays and necessitating people fill out provisional ballots. The data was also scrambled, with voter rolls in the wrong locations, people tagged as voting when they had not, and people not on lists even though they had their state registration cards. Those snafus were reported to election protection call centers. Computer experts who have tracked electronic voting issues subsequently noticed the Florida-based contractor who managed North Carolina’s voter registration database was VR Systems. Earlier this fall, CNN reported that an unnamed Florida-based voting system vendor was hacked by the Russians. To the best of these experts’ knowledge, VR is the only Florida-based voting system vendor. It also has contracts in Virginia, New York, Illinois, Indiana, California and other states, according to the company’s website. “Was the shut-down of the electronic poll book system in Durham County the result of a benign malfunction or an intentional hack?” one attorney asked. “And, if it was the latter, who was behind the cyberattack? These questions must be answered immediately, especially if the answers lead to questions about the integrity of the election process in other jurisdictions.”    Florida Clinton was ahead in many pre-election polls, but lost in the results reported after Election Day by 120,000 votes. (Each state has a process where counties officially tally all categories of ballots and then the state certifies the results, which can take several weeks.) As one attorney said, “Tallahassee-based VR Systems was also allegedly hacked. The company provides electronic poll books for a number of jurisdictions which communicate in real time with each county’s voter registration system. According to the company's web site VR Systems serves almost all of Florida's counties and 14 other states." Wisconsin Election night’s unofficial returns found Trump ahead of Clinton by 27,000 votes. But Clinton won only counties using all-paper ballots, the computer voting experts said. In the counties using a mix of electronic and paper-based voting systems that President Obama won in 2012, Clinton lost by 1-2 percent. In the Obama counties using all paperless machines, she lost by 10 to 15 percent. (Five percent of the state’s 4.6 million voters, or 230,000 people, cast their ballots on paperless machines, state officials said Wednesday.) Wisconsin also saw a record numbers of absentee ballots, with 831,000 ballots cast, which was about 30 percent of this fall’s vote. In past years, it was about 20 percent. Of that overall amount, about 134,000 were from people who mailed them in, instead of turning them in at polling places, state officials said. The questions raised by the election integrity team are twofold. First, did old-school hacking pad Trump’s margin in counties with all-electronic voting systems? Under that scenario, paperless voting systems would be breached and totals changed. Second, was there a sizable effort to pad the absentee ballot voting with phantom voters, created from last summer’s Russian hacks into voter registration databases in other states? Both of these scenarios would require sophisticated operations, a skeptical former state election director from another state said. Wisconsin’s paperless voting machinery is not online and isn’t programmed online, as a security precaution, meaning someone would have to access the system in key counties from the inside. Second, if hackers put fake voters into Wisconsin’s database and boosted Trump’s absentee totals, the discrepancy between returned paper ballots and electronic totals would be found in a post-election audit. On background, Wisconsin state election officials did not believe these scenarios were possible, describing many intricate steps they take to prevent election tampering...

TheFunPolice wrote on Nov 24^th, 2016 at 4:23pm:

s elaborated on his claims in a Medium post published Wednesday morning. The shill media robbed america: get over it

the  BORN TO RULE mob will never get over it..

this is only the beginning of the

mourning the death of Hillary..ooppps democracy..

as seen by the left....

you thought Hillary chucked a temper tanny from hell

you havent seen a thing yet.

TheFunPolice wrote on Nov 24^th, 2016 at 4:26pm:

Trump has 8 years: the markets have accepted it!

Take your hand off it.  Once Trump does the exact opposite of all his idiotic promises, his chances of re-election will be nil. White uneducated bogans may have put him there, but they will push him out just as quick.

TheFunPolice wrote on Nov 24^th, 2016 at 4:26pm:

Trump has 8 years: the markets have accepted it!

He'll probably serve no more than two.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 24^th, 2016 at 5:46pm:

TheFunPolice wrote on Nov 24th, 2016 at 4:26pm: Trump has 8 years: the markets have accepted it! He'll probably serve no more than two.

Is that..... comfortably???



You stupid ninny.

With all of Trumps crying about it being rigged I thought from day one that their was very likely that he was spending a lot of money to set it up his way.

Very suspicious to have electronic voting running 7% different from all other forms of voting.

Frank wrote on Nov 24^th, 2016 at 5:56pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 24th, 2016 at 5:46pm: TheFunPolice wrote on Nov 24th, 2016 at 4:26pm: Trump has 8 years: the markets have accepted it! He'll probably serve no more than two. Is that..... comfortably???

I think his two years will be very uncomfortable, for everyone involved.

The progress towards a recount is bolstered by $3 million of donations within hours of opening the request for donations.

The pressure for a recount comes from a discrepancy between paper vote trends and machine vote trends of 7%. Clinton vote trend was lower on machines.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jill-stein-recount-fundraiser_us_58366a41e4b000af95eddc30


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Green Party presidential nominee Jill Stein’s call to raise funds to support vote recounts in three key states was met with ease late Wednesday, with the fundraiser quickly exceeding its $2 million goal. Stein’s press director announced Wednesday afternoon that the Green Party candidate needed an initial $2 million to support recounts in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania, three states where President-elect Donald Trump performed better than expected. Within hours, Stein’s fundraiser rapidly gained traction. Just after 11 p.m. EST, supporters had donated $1.9 million, then it climbed past $2 million before midnight. The goal was surpassed about eight hours after Stein’s announcement was delivered over Facebook Live. Just before 3 a.m. EST, the fund surpassed $2.5 million. By Thursday evening, that total had soared passed $4 million mark. Stein’s campaign originally set out to raise $2 million by Friday afternoon, in time to meet Wisconsin’s Nov. 25 deadline and $1.1 million filing fee. But the candidate secured enough funds for all of Wisconsin’s, Pennsylvania’s and part of Michigan’s filing fees before Thursday. The multiple-state effort will take more than the initial request of $2 million, Stein’s campaign wrote on its fundraiser page, which displays a goal of $2.5 million. “The costs associated with recounts are a function of state law,” Stein’s campaign wrote. “Attorney’s fees are likely to be another $2-3 million, then there are the costs of the statewide recount observers in all three states. The total cost is likely to be $6-7 million.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/11/24/why-are-people-giving-jill-stein-millions-of-dollars-for-an-election-recount/


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“This has been a hack-riddled election,” Stein explained. “We have voting machines that are extremely hack-friendly in an election that's been very contentious.” Stein's fundraising goal was $2.5 million — and donors blew right past it. At that point, as New York magazine first reported, the goal spiked to $4.5 million, and new language on the donation page admitted that costs could rise higher. “The costs associated with recounts are a function of state law,” wrote the Stein campaign. “Attorney's fees are likely to be another $2-3 million, then there are the costs of the statewide recount observers in all three states. The total cost is likely to be $6-7 million.” It's a lot of money, especially for the Green Party. Stein's 2016 campaign, the party's most electorally potent since 2000, took in $3,509,477 from donors. As of Thursday afternoon, the recount effort had raised $3,875,502. It's the largest donation drive for a third party in history — so what's actually going on? The Green Party has done this before, to little result. In 2004, when many Democrats asked whether Ohio had been lost to voter suppression, the Green Party teamed up with the Libertarian Party to pay for a recount. David Cobb, the then-presidential candidate for the Green Party, had not even appeared on Ohio's ballot, but he helped raise $150,000 to start the recount process. “Due to widespread reports of irregularities in the Ohio voting process,” said Cobb and Michael Badnarik, the then-presidential candidate for the Libertarian Party, “we are compelled to demand a recount of the Ohio presidential vote. Voting is the heart of the democratic process in which we as a nation put our faith.” The result: Democrat John F. Kerry gained a bit less than 300 votes on George W. Bush, making virtually no difference in the margin. The inspiration for the recount: Theories ranging from sketchy to debunked. In 2004, Greg Palast was the most prominent of several analysts arguing that more Ohio voters intended to elect Kerry than Bush, but enough ballots were rejected and spoiled to stop them. He did similar work in the run-up to 2016, warning that voter suppression was going to “steal the vote” in key states. “Being right never felt so horrid,” Palast wrote after the election. Palast has celebrated and promoted the new effort, which could turn up additional votes as ballots are re-scanned. But the recount won attention because of an unrelated theory: That electronic voting machines might have been attacked by hackers. The Twitter hashtag #AuditTheVote was trending days before the Stein campaign began, and stories of how machines could be hacked have begun being shared again. But voting machines can't be hacked from afar, and the people with the most to lose — Democrats, who literally lost — haven't been convinced that machines were hacked. They closely monitored Election Day, with volunteers at every swing state polling place, as is customary. The Greens themselves have not endorsed any theory of what went wrong. The closest they've come was in Stein's RT interview, where she said “reports have come in from cyber experts, from security experts and others.” There you go...

This circus teaches us that we should never give up the traditional paper ballot for computerised voting.

TheFunPolice wrote on Nov 24^th, 2016 at 4:26pm:

Trump has 8 years: the markets have accepted it!

He has 4 guaranteed years, not 8.

Belgarion wrote on Nov 25^th, 2016 at 12:50pm:

This circus teaches us that we should never give up the traditional paper ballot for computerised voting.

I dunno! didnt over a thousand paper ones go missing in W.A. not long ago..

and they had to do it all over again.. ::)

http://www.bajiroo.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/obama-laughing-man-laughing-ann-horn-funny-laugh-people-images-pictures.jpg

what!   Hillary lost...youse serious?

cods wrote on Nov 25^th, 2016 at 1:25pm:

[im]http://www.bajiroo.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/obama-laughing-man-laughing-ann-horn-funny-laugh-people-images-pictures.jpg[/img] what!   Hillary lost...youse serious?

Have you already finished a box of wine today?

Unforgiven wrote on Nov 25^th, 2016 at 1:48pm:

cods wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 1:25pm: [im]http://www.bajiroo.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/obama-laughing-man-laughing-ann-horn-funny-laugh-people-images-pictures.jpg[/img] what!   Hillary lost...youse serious? Have you already finished a box of wine today?

Yes, and cods' chin is receding more than usual as a result ...

Unforgiven wrote on Nov 25^th, 2016 at 1:48pm:

cods wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 1:25pm: [im]http://www.bajiroo.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/obama-laughing-man-laughing-ann-horn-funny-laugh-people-images-pictures.jpg[/img] what!   Hillary lost...youse serious? Have you already finished a box of wine today?

What a mean-spirited, pusillanimous comment.
Worthy of someone who bites the hand of the country which feeds him.