'1920’s Brit ‘fatally infected’ All Government Climate Models'

'A sensational new study shows western government climate models rely on a fatally flawed 1920’s algorithm.  Scientists say this could be the breakthrough that explains why modern computers are so awful at predicting climate change: simulations “violate several known Laws of Thermodynamics.”

British climate researcher Derek Alker presents an extraordinary new paper ‘Greenhouse Effect Theory within the UN IPCC Computer Climate Models – Is It A Sound Basis?’ exposing previously undetected errors that government climate researchers have unknowingly fed into multi-million dollar climate computers since the 1940s. [1]

Alker explains:

    “This paper examines what was originally calculated as the greenhouse effect theory by Lewis Fry Richardson, the brilliant English mathematician, physicist and meteorologist.

    In 1922 Richardson devised an innovative set of differential equations. His ingenious method is still used today in climate models. But unbeknown to Richardson he had inadvertently relied upon unchecked (and fatally flawed) numbers supplied by another well-known British scientist, W. H. Dines.”

Unfortunately, for Richardson Dines wrongly factored in that earth’s climate is driven by terrestrial (ground) radiation as the only energy source, not the sun. Richardson had taken the Dines numbers on face value and did not detect the error when combining the Dines numbers to his own. Alker continues: “The archives show Richardson never double-checked the Dines work (see below) and the records do not show that anyone else has ever exposed it.” '

http://climatechangedispatch.com/breaking-1920s-brit-fatally-infected-all-government-climate-models/

Read the full paper at principia-scientific.org

Variations in solar activity only affect climate by .1%.

Lees is full of bulldust. The models do well in predicting climate, excellently so given the incredibly noisy weather record.

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 6:19am:

Variations in solar activity only affect climate by .1%. Lees is full of bulldust. The models do well in predicting climate, excellently so given the incredibly noisy weather record.

So sad that your comprehension skills are so limited.


lee wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 8:18pm:

Unfortunately, for Richardson Dines wrongly factored in that earth’s climate is driven by terrestrial (ground) radiation as the only energy source, not the sun

So you are saying that the Sun has no effect on earth's climate?

Note not just variation of solar energy. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

And then of course the the error bars on the model keep expanding, even after 40 years. The only way they can keep in touch with reality. ;)

Yup, no scientist knows that the sun provides light and heat.

Christ, talk about desperate!

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 4:25pm:

Yup, no scientist knows that the sun provides light and heat. Christ, talk about desperate!

You sure are. Try reading the paper. ;)

lee wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 4:59pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 17th, 2016 at 4:25pm: Yup, no scientist knows that the sun provides light and heat. Christ, talk about desperate! You sure are. Try reading the paper. ;)

oooooh, document shock: nothing new under the sun except for crack smokin' daddy lovers  ::)

TheFunPolice wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 5:22pm:

oooooh, document shock: nothing new under the sun except for crack smokin' daddy lovers

Is that what your on? ;)

lee wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 4:59pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 17th, 2016 at 4:25pm: Yup, no scientist knows that the sun provides light and heat. Christ, talk about desperate! You sure are. Try reading the paper. ;)

Yes Lees, I k now I know, NOT A SINGLE climate scientist knows the sun provides the light and heat here, not a single one!

Far flipping out Lees, d e s p e r a t e !

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 5:50pm:

lee wrote on Nov 17th, 2016 at 4:59pm: Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 17th, 2016 at 4:25pm: Yup, no scientist knows that the sun provides light and heat. Christ, talk about desperate! You sure are. Try reading the paper. ;) Yes Lees, I k now I know, NOT A SINGLE climate scientist knows the sun provides the light and heat here, not a single one! Far flipping out Lees, d e s p e r a t e !

So you still haven't read the paper? Of course not; it doesn't agree with your preconceived ideas.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Oh Lees, Lees!

NOT a SINGLE climate scientist knows the sun supplies the heat and light to the Earth??

REALLY? You sure????


Get off it, even the radioactive forcings depend on the sun to provide the light and heat.

Desperation, ugly to watch.

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 6:29pm:

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh Lees, Lees! NOT a SINGLE climate scientist knows the sun supplies the heat and light to the Earth?? REALLY? You sure???? Get off it, even the radioactive forcings depend on the sun to provide the light and heat. Desperation, ugly to watch.

Are climate modellers,climate scientists?  ;)

You want to plumb new depths of desperation, Lees?

Denizen lee is off by a factor of 1000 in all his blatherings.

He recently posted that Australian householders pay $ 412.11 per kWh solar electricity subsidy.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?action=post;num=1479172809;virboard=;quote=19;title=PostReply

OK what sort of computers were around in the 1940,s


At least i read the article

There were some in the later 40s.

Lees is an idiot suggesting climate scientists know nothing about the flipping sun!

There were slide rules etc.

The older I get the more I realise how much I dont know.

Very little surprises me any more,,, there may be something in it.

miketrees wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 7:06pm:

The older I get the more I realise how much I dont know. Very little surprises me any more,,, there may be something in it.

Yup, climate scientists knowing NOTHING about the sun IS rather surprising to me!

Yup, climate scientists knowing NOTHING about the sun IS rather surprising to me!


The fault may be in the way you were reading it.

When I first read that I thought they may have miscalculated the heating effect over land masses vrs over oceans and through the atmosphere

I just reacted to the obvious crap in the “climate scientists leave out the sun” crap.

One climate scientist to another as they leave their lab:

CS1: Say, CS2, what is that bright object in the sky?

CS2: I dunno, CS1, what do you reckon it is?


hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 8:04pm:

One climate scientist to another as they leave their lab: CS1: Say, CS2, what is that bright object in the sky? CS2: I dunno, CS1, what do you reckon it is? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Thank you. your idiocy has brightened my day. ;)

One climate scientist to another as they leave their lab:

CS1: Say, CS2, what is that bright object in the sky?

CS2: I dunno, CS1, what do you reckon it is?


hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Quote:

The greenhouse effect theory we know of today is based on what Richardson had formulated from the Dines paper using unphysical numbers created by Dines. But Dines himself later suggested his numbers were probably unreliable.” Unfortunately, Dines died in the mid-1920’s and did not inform Richardson about the error.

So is Derek Alker claiming that there is no such thing as the Greenhouse effect?

I guess we'll just have to take Alker's word for it that William Henry Dines calculations were so fatally flawed, although it does seem odd that William Henry Dines is mostly famous for inventing Meteorological Instruments and taking measurements with them in the 19th century. I am also astonished that it has taken over 100 years for these "errors" to be found.

So what reputable scientific establishment published Derek Alker's paper?

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 18^th, 2016 at 11:15am:

So what reputable scientific establishment published Derek Alker's paper?

Can't read?

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 18^th, 2016 at 9:21am:

One climate scientist to another as they leave their lab: CS1: Say, CS2, what is that bright object in the sky? CS2: I dunno, CS1, what do you reckon it is? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Thanks JM.

You have repeatedly shown what you know of AGW. "Plants are now growing in Antarctica because of AGW". :D :D :D :D :D :D

You are a joke, sun  not included!

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 18^th, 2016 at 11:33am:

You are a joke, sun  not included!

The faux conservatives who are known haters even by their own family are now crying that everyone knows this: http://www.theverge.com/2016/11/17/13667630/global-sea-ice-concentration-graph-science-twitter

** BEWARE THE PANIC I SAY  :o

("sun not included": gold,... hey i read in the letters to the editor that some bloke(let's say me, not me but let's just say for purpose(!) that will become apparent) was told ,... nah I forget: I'll get back to this letter later  :D :D :D)

{looks like a great little doggy there btw!!}

lee wrote on Nov 18^th, 2016 at 11:30am:

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 18th, 2016 at 11:15am: So what reputable scientific establishment published Derek Alker's paper? Can't read?

Hmm would that be Principia Scientific International
Which has this gem on its home page


Quote:

Currently, joining PSI is free. When you make a donation of the suggested amount of $25  you will help to sponsor sound, alarmist-free scientific work.

Reading between the lines "alarmist-free" means they only accept work that rejects man made global warming.
Hardly a scientifically objective source
;D ;D ;D

TheFunPolice wrote on Nov 18^th, 2016 at 11:38am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 18th, 2016 at 11:33am: You are a joke, sun  not included! The faux conservatives who are known haters even by their own family are now crying that everyone knows this: http://www.theverge.com/2016/11/17/13667630/global-sea-ice-concentration-graph-science-twitter ** BEWARE THE PANIC I SAY  :o ("sun not included": gold,... hey i read in the letters to the editor that some bloke(let's say me, not me but let's just say for purpose(!) that will become apparent) was told ,... nah I forget: I'll get back to this letter later  :D :D :D) {looks like a great little doggy there btw!!}

Yup, great little dog and a good ratter. Had some great walks with her, the whole length of the Torrens Linear Park up to the Gorge Weir (built 1856) and aquaduct and the Pioneer Women Trail from Burnside to Hahndorf.

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 18^th, 2016 at 11:51am:

Reading between the lines "alarmist-free" means they only accept work that rejects man made global warming. Hardly a scientifically objective source

You mean as opposed to pal-reviewed Nature et al? :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 18^th, 2016 at 12:00pm:

TheFunPolice wrote on Nov 18th, 2016 at 11:38am: Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 18th, 2016 at 11:33am: You are a joke, sun  not included! The faux conservatives who are known haters even by their own family are now crying that everyone knows this: http://www.theverge.com/2016/11/17/13667630/global-sea-ice-concentration-graph-science-twitter ** BEWARE THE PANIC I SAY  :o ("sun not included": gold,... hey i read in the letters to the editor that some bloke(let's say me, not me but let's just say for purpose(!) that will become apparent) was told ,... nah I forget: I'll get back to this letter later  :D :D :D) {looks like a great little doggy there btw!!} Yup, great little dog and a good ratter. Had some great walks with her, the whole length of the Torrens Linear Park up to the Gorge Weir (built 1856) and aquaduct and the Pioneer Women Trail from Burnside to Hahndorf.

Hey, I thiink the letter sad: "They laughed when I said I wanted to be a comedian, but they aren't laughing now!"

Yeh, I suck  :D :D :D Oh well, um, d'oHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

We've got a chihuahua hua... cos my brothers mad and married a mexican girl: you should see her eledest with a soccer ball and he's never played  ;D ;D ;D ;D

It's all true: i think I've told you all this so I will go now  ;)

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 18^th, 2016 at 12:00pm:

TheFunPolice wrote on Nov 18th, 2016 at 11:38am: Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 18th, 2016 at 11:33am: You are a joke, sun  not included! The faux conservatives who are known haters even by their own family are now crying that everyone knows this: http://www.theverge.com/2016/11/17/13667630/global-sea-ice-concentration-graph-science-twitter ** BEWARE THE PANIC I SAY  :o ("sun not included": gold,... hey i read in the letters to the editor that some bloke(let's say me, not me but let's just say for purpose(!) that will become apparent) was told ,... nah I forget: I'll get back to this letter later  :D :D :D) {looks like a great little doggy there btw!!} Yup, great little dog and a good ratter. Had some great walks with her, the whole length of the Torrens Linear Park up to the Gorge Weir (built 1856) and aquaduct and the Pioneer Women Trail from Burnside to Hahndorf.

Hey, I think the letter said: "They laughed when I said I wanted to be a comedian, but they aren't laughing now!"

Yeh, I suck  :D :D :D Oh well, um, d'oHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

We've got a chihuahua... cos my brother's mad and married a mexican girl: you should see her eldest with a soccer ball and he's never played  ;D ;D ;D ;D

It's all true: i think I've told you all this so I will go now  ;)

Chihuahuas are great little dogs! Before Demi we had Tiffany, a purebreed chi given to us because she had some minor defects and could not be shown.

A little dog, but always game for a long walk. At night she would be on your lap, chis are lapdogs. Yeah, lovely loyal loving dog is the chi.

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 7:04pm:

There were some in the later 40s. Lees is an idiot suggesting climate scientists know nothing about the flipping sun! There were slide rules etc.

Without the sun there would be no climate change.

Life as we know it wouldn't exist.

Personally I doubt any set of math equations in a computer model could ever accurately explain or predict the fluxes in a dynamic organism like our Earth.