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Message started by Unforgiven on Nov 15th, 2016 at 9:48pm

Title: Record heat despite solar minimum
Post by Unforgiven on Nov 15th, 2016 at 9:48pm
The last solar minimum occurred between 2008-2010 during a period of rising temperatures. Furthermore, the solar maximum ending in 2015 was lower than previous solar maximums in 1981,1990 and 2002.






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Global temperature goes from heat record to heat record, yet the sun is at its dimmest for half a century.

For a while, 2010 was the hottest year on record globally. But then it got overtopped by 2014. And 2014 was beaten again by 2015. And now 2016 is so warm that it is certain to be once again a record year. Three record years in a row – that is unprecedented even in all those decades of global warming.

Strangely, one aspect of this gets barely mentioned: all those heat records occur despite a cold sun (Figs. 1 and 2). The last solar minimum (2008-2010) was the lowest since at least 1950, while the last solar maximum (2013-2015) can hardly be described as such. This is shown, among others, by the sunspot data (Fig. 1) as well as measurements of the solar luminosity from satellites (Fig. 2). Other indicators of solar activity indicate cooling as well (Lockwood and Fröhlich, Proc. Royal Society 2007).

As climate scientists we are by no means surprised at this development, as there has been clear evidence that the variations of the sun’s activity have played a completely subordinate role in climate change over the last 65 years. We’ve covered this issue many times, e.g. here, here and here. Global warming is driven by greenhouse gases, which is a long-standing consensus in science.

The current IPCC report, for example, limits the natural contribution to global warming since 1950 to less than plus or minus 0.1 ° C (it might have been negative e.g. because of the fading sun). However, some unsupported claims by “climate skeptics” about the importance of solar variability are now clearly falsified.

Global temperature goes from heat record to heat record, yet the sun is at its dimmest for half a century.

For a while, 2010 was the hottest year on record globally. But then it got overtopped by 2014. And 2014 was beaten again by 2015. And now 2016 is so warm that it is certain to be once again a record year. Three record years in a row – that is unprecedented even in all those decades of global warming.

Strangely, one aspect of this gets barely mentioned: all those heat records occur despite a cold sun (Figs. 1 and 2). The last solar minimum (2008-2010) was the lowest since at least 1950, while the last solar maximum (2013-2015) can hardly be described as such. This is shown, among others, by the sunspot data (Fig. 1) as well as measurements of the solar luminosity from satellites (Fig. 2). Other indicators of solar activity indicate cooling as well (Lockwood and Fröhlich, Proc. Royal Society 2007).

As climate scientists we are by no means surprised at this development, as there has been clear evidence that the variations of the sun’s activity have played a completely subordinate role in climate change over the last 65 years. We’ve covered this issue many times, e.g. here, here and here. Global warming is driven by greenhouse gases, which is a long-standing consensus in science.

The current IPCC report, for example, limits the natural contribution to global warming since 1950 to less than plus or minus 0.1 ° C (it might have been negative e.g. because of the fading sun). However, some unsupported claims by “climate skeptics” about the importance of solar variability are now clearly falsified.

Climate skeptics have repeatedly predicted an imminent global cooling because of the weak sun. Attributing global warming to the sun has become untenable, because solar activity has not increased for the last 65 years. It has been essentially constant, except for the well-known 11-year Schwabe cycle (which also has little effect on global temperature) and a slight downward trend .

Misunderstood thermal inertia

The excuse of the skeptics here is usually that global warming is a time-delayed reaction to an increase in solar activity before 1950. The basic idea is not entirely wrong: the climate system has a certain inertia. If the solar luminosity were to be increased in a sudden step, the temperature would not rise immediately, as it would take a while to heat up the oceans. This inertia effect can be quantified with the help of model simulations. Caldeira and Myhrvold (ERL 2013) have shown that 60% of the temperature reaction occurs within the first 20 years.

However, around 80% of global warming since the 19th century has only taken place after 1970. It is therefore unthinkable that the slight and gradual increase in solar activity before 1950 could have contributed significantly to the strong warming since the 1970s. Further evidence for this is the comparison of temperatures of land and sea. Everyone knows: when the sun rises in the morning, it takes only a few hours (certainly not decades) to heat the air strongly. Over 90% of the thermal inertia resides in the ocean, while the air over land quickly heats up. If the global warming since 1970 were a delayed response to a previous increase in solar luminosity, then we would now observe above all a catch-up warming of the oceans. The opposite is the case: the continents heat up more quickly and the ocean temperatures are lagging behind...

Title: Re: Record heat despite solar minimum
Post by lee on Nov 15th, 2016 at 9:51pm
Why do they keep forgetting 1997? :D :D :D :D :D

Title: Re: Record heat despite solar minimum
Post by Baronvonrort on Nov 15th, 2016 at 9:52pm
Perth and Antartica have recorded record cold in 2016

Get a job and pay some taxes ya dopey bum

Title: Re: Record heat despite solar minimum
Post by Sir Bobby on Nov 15th, 2016 at 9:56pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 9:52pm:
Perth and Antartica have recorded record cold in 2016

Get a job and pay some taxes ya dopey bum



;D

Title: Re: Record heat despite solar minimum
Post by Jovial Monk on Nov 15th, 2016 at 11:14pm
Booby’s stupid little ice age gets another kick up the bum.

Title: Re: Record heat despite solar minimum
Post by The Grappler on Nov 16th, 2016 at 12:40am
14 deg tonight on the drive home - three days ago it was 29..... just a glitch in the weather..... I just want it cool and relatively wind-free so I can take off the back room roof and put in batts to keep out the heat and cold.... westerly sun in summer and cold westerly wind in winter .... heats up the kitchen like an oven... or freezes the bathroom and kitchen in winter.... but I'll get it....

You can never have too much insulation.... gonna pull out the inner walls of my bedroom (currently filled with tools for renovation) insulate them and gyprock them, then do the ex's bedroom as well .... then the under floor.... no more cold feet in winter..... brrrr....

When I was a kid walking to school it would often get up to 109 deg F - Tfuk are you worrying about, bro?  Big moon got yez all?  (ah-woooooooooo -werewolves of Ozpol)....

Here's a little music for yez now... from the old Werewolf himself.. it's a full moon and it's my time to how-ooool......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDpYBT0XyvA

Title: Re: Record heat despite solar minimum
Post by The Mechanic on Nov 16th, 2016 at 5:42pm
we haven't had a day above 30* in 243 days...


then some halfwit tries to tell you that its the hottest year ever and the world is about to boil...

ff sakes...  ::)

Title: Re: Record heat despite solar minimum
Post by Jovial Monk on Nov 16th, 2016 at 5:48pm
Local weather ≠ climate.

Title: Re: Record heat despite solar minimum
Post by Sir Bobby on Nov 16th, 2016 at 5:49pm

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 5:42pm:
we haven't had a day above 30* in 243 days...


then some halfwit tries to tell you that its the hottest year ever and the world is about to boil...

ff sakes...  ::)




Jovial is forgiven for believing the media.

namaste

Title: Re: Record heat despite solar minimum
Post by lee on Nov 16th, 2016 at 5:53pm
And in what the climate alarmists are shouting as the "hottest year evah" -fresh from NOAA





But wasn't hotter supposed to make for more extreme weather events?

Of course it is only for the USA, but you can post your data here that says on average it is worse worldwide. ;)

Title: Re: Record heat despite solar minimum
Post by UnSubRocky on Nov 17th, 2016 at 2:19am

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 5:42pm:
we haven't had a day above 30* in 243 days...


then some halfwit tries to tell you that its the hottest year ever and the world is about to boil...

ff sakes...  ::)


I agree if you live south of Brisbane, where the Brisbane line doubles as the boundary of warm winter/cold winter. Here in Qld, we have had the warmest winter in a long time. Apart from a few weeks of cold weather (not that it was very cold), we had t-shirt weather for May and August.

Depends on your perspective, but our last summer had not been all that hot, either. Getting to be quite hot for this summer, though.

Title: Re: Record heat despite solar minimum
Post by AnotherJourneyByTrain on Nov 17th, 2016 at 1:53pm
The temps in the Arctic north of 80N are: http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/meant80n.uk.php
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