By Jim Quinn, ZeroHedge
I’ve been listening to the left wingnuts crying foul because Crooked Hillary won the popular vote. They evidently fell asleep during their American government class in high school. The reason there are two senators per state and an electoral college is to keep the large powerful states from wielding too much power in governing the nation.

It seems left wing nutjobs seem to be drawn together into 6 liberal enclaves. You may notice the professional violent Soros protestors do their best work in these states. Republican voters in these states know their vote is worthless, because there are far too many irrational, mathematically challenged snowflakes to overcome. So, many don’t even bother to vote.

Clinton won the popular vote by about 630,000. Jabba the Hutt (aka Michael Moore) and the diverse left wing shrews on MSNBC and CNN are outraged that white deplorables stole the election from their little crook. A little perspective reveals a different picture. You back out the popular vote margin in those six socialist states and Trump wins the popular vote by over 6 million votes. The Hollywood and NYC elites, along with their Hilbots, think the votes of six states should override the overwhelming landslide achieved by Trump in the other 44 states.

Too bad pussies. You lost. No amount of Soros financed riots is going to change the outcome. Time to retreat into your six safe spaces and break out the coloring books and play doh. Isn’t it funny how the left wing media were outraged when Trump said he wouldn’t agree to the outcome before seeing the vote. Now they question the outcome based on no facts or basis for argument.
◦Trump popular vote – 60,351,240
◦Clinton popular vote – 60,981,118

Clinton’s popular vote margin- 629,878

LIBERAL BASTION CLINTON STATE MARGINS
◦California – 2,746,562
◦New York – 1,503,304
◦Illinois – 859,319
◦Maryland – 624,305
◦New Jersey – 486,243
◦Washington – 480,072

Clinton’s liberal bastion state margin – 6,699,805

TRUMP’S POPULAR VOTE MARGIN IN OTHER 44 STATES – 6,069,927

I don't think Jim has taken into account the 2-3 million illegal aliens who voted either.
And guess who they voted for?

What an idiot this Jim Quinn chap is.

Clinton won the popular vote - end of story.

No amount of data manipulation can change that fact.






(Sponsored by: A & S Indoor Pistol Range)   ;D

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 15^th, 2016 at 12:26pm:

What an idiot this Jim Quinn chap is. Clinton won the popular vote - end of story. No amount of data manipulation can change that fact. (Sponsored by: A & S Indoor Pistol Range)   ;D

Er... the US is a FEDERAL state with 538 electorates that are NOT exactly the same size population-wise. In other words the US is not a single electorate. If it were you could have a point. But it isn't so you don't.

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In the Electoral College system, each state gets a certain number of electors based on its total number of representatives in Congress. Each elector casts one electoral vote following the general election; there are a total of 538 electoral votes. The candidate that gets more than half (270) wins the election.
Presidential Election Process - USA.gov
https://www.usa.gov/election


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bogarde73 wrote on Nov 15^th, 2016 at 12:17pm:

I don't think Jim has taken into account the 2-3 million illegal aliens who voted either. And guess who they voted for?

Did they vote?

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 15^th, 2016 at 12:17pm:

I don't think Jim has taken into account the 2-3 million illegal aliens who voted either. And guess who they voted for?

Plus the fact that trump had no media support.

Frank wrote on Nov 15^th, 2016 at 2:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 12:26pm: What an idiot this Jim Quinn chap is. Clinton won the popular vote - end of story. No amount of data manipulation can change that fact. (Sponsored by: A & S Indoor Pistol Range)   ;D Er... the US is a FEDERAL state with 538 electorates that are NOT exactly the same size population-wise. In other words the US is not a single electorate. If it were you could have a point. But it isn't so you don't. Text: In the Electoral College system, each state gets a certain number of electors based on its total number of representatives in Congress. Each elector casts one electoral vote following the general election; there are a total of 538 electoral votes. The candidate that gets more than half (270) wins the election. Presidential Election Process - USA.gov https://www.usa.gov/election Picture: https://gsa-cmp-fileupload.s3.amazonaws.com/president-poster_0.png

And Clinton won the popular vote.

She received more votes at the polling booths than Trump.

Thus, America didn't get the President they voted for.

Well in actual fact if you look at the popular vote, the new Pres should be PResident Apathy

Well, apart from the reported 3 million illegal alien voters, last I saw there were about 7 million votes to count, including overseas service personnel. Way to early to say who won the popular vote.

http://www.infowars.com/report-three-million-votes-in-presidential-election-cast-by-illegal-aliens/

lee wrote on Nov 15^th, 2016 at 3:26pm:

Well, apart from the reported 3 million illegal alien voters, last I saw there were about 7 million votes to count, including overseas service personnel. Way to early to say who won the popular vote. http://www.infowars.com/report-three-million-votes-in-presidential-election-cast-by-illegal-aliens/

Info Wars? Seriously? Thats your evidence?

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 15^th, 2016 at 3:04pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 12:17pm: I don't think Jim has taken into account the 2-3 million illegal aliens who voted either. And guess who they voted for? Plus the fact that trump had no media support.

Except for Fox and of course, all the right-wing bigots and Islamophobic bloggers...   ::)

lee wrote on Nov 15^th, 2016 at 3:26pm:

Well, apart from the reported 3 million illegal alien voters, last I saw there were about 7 million votes to count, including overseas service personnel. Way to early to say who won the popular vote. http://www.infowars.com/report-three-million-votes-in-presidential-election-cast-by-illegal-aliens/

“We probably have about 7 million votes left to count,” said David Wasserman, an editor at Cook Political Report who is tracking turnout.

“A majority of them are on the coasts, in New York, California, and Washington. She should be able to win those votes, probably 2-1.”

By mid-December, when the Electoral College officially casts its ballots, Wasserman estimates that Clinton could be ahead by 2 percentage points in the popular vote.

Clinton's Popular-Vote Lead Will Grow, and Grow, and Grow

Just do the honorable thing and leave now, Trump aint going away any time soon. Abide by the set rules.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 15^th, 2016 at 3:14pm:

And Clinton won the popular vote. She received more votes at the polling booths than Trump. Thus, America didn't get the President they voted for.

The US, like here does not work on who get the popular vote but who gets the most states or electorates; Im surprised you are so clueless so as not to know that.

No Im not, I was just joking, I know how clueless you are.  ;D ;D

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 15^th, 2016 at 3:29pm:

lee wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 3:26pm: Well, apart from the reported 3 million illegal alien voters, last I saw there were about 7 million votes to count, including overseas service personnel. Way to early to say who won the popular vote. http://www.infowars.com/report-three-million-votes-in-presidential-election-cast-by-illegal-aliens/ Info Wars? Seriously? Thats your evidence?

Of course , your evidence is impeccable. If you can find it. ;)

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 15^th, 2016 at 4:59pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 3:14pm: And Clinton won the popular vote. She received more votes at the polling booths than Trump. Thus, America didn't get the President they voted for. The US, like here does not work on who get the popular vote but who gets the most states or electorates; Im surprised you are so clueless so as not to know that. No Im not, I was just joking, I know how clueless you are.  ;D ;D

And lefty globalist moaners need to do their homework before making bets

Even here in OZ, a candidate can lose the popular vote in their electorate because of preferential voting

Funny thing, a silly woman on the Drum said "The result would have been different had the voting been compulsory", re: US election

Some clairvoyant she is, she was only admitting that different voting systems produce different results regardless of what the people want

I’ve been listening to the left wingnuts crying foul because Crooked Hillary won the popular vote.

He does not seem to mention Sexual assault Trump much at all ?

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 15^th, 2016 at 4:59pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 3:14pm: And Clinton won the popular vote. She received more votes at the polling booths than Trump. Thus, America didn't get the President they voted for. The US, like here does not work on who get the popular vote but who gets the most states or electorates; Im surprised you are so clueless so as not to know that. No Im not, I was just joking, I know how clueless you are.  ;D ;D

Greggery's decided to stay, Big. Hillary won the erection, so he's perfectly free to do so.

Remember, the game's rigged. One thing's for certain: we will never know the outcome of this erection. The powers that be will never allow that to get out.

Melanias purse wrote on Nov 15^th, 2016 at 9:11pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 4:59pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 3:14pm: And Clinton won the popular vote. She received more votes at the polling booths than Trump. Thus, America didn't get the President they voted for. The US, like here does not work on who get the popular vote but who gets the most states or electorates; Im surprised you are so clueless so as not to know that. No Im not, I was just joking, I know how clueless you are.  ;D ;D Greggery's decided to stay, Big. Hillary won the erection, so he's perfectly free to do so. Remember, the game's rigged. One thing's for certain: we will never know the outcome of this erection. The powers that be will never allow that to get out.

You twist things better than an Imam trying to explain why I slam is the religion of peace

Melanias purse wrote on Nov 15^th, 2016 at 9:11pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 4:59pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 3:14pm: And Clinton won the popular vote. She received more votes at the polling booths than Trump. Thus, America didn't get the President they voted for. The US, like here does not work on who get the popular vote but who gets the most states or electorates; Im surprised you are so clueless so as not to know that. No Im not, I was just joking, I know how clueless you are.  ;D ;D Greggery's decided to stay, Big. Hillary won the erection, so he's perfectly free to do so. Remember, the game's rigged. One thing's for certain: we will never know the outcome of this erection. The powers that be will never allow that to get out.

LOL.  Lefties idiocy writ large.  Black is white and white is red and red is any colour I say it is. 

The way you deceitful clowns will distort and twist is nothing short of amazing. Sadly thought not surprising. 

Secret Wars wrote on Nov 15^th, 2016 at 9:23pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 9:11pm: BigOl64 wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 4:59pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 3:14pm: And Clinton won the popular vote. She received more votes at the polling booths than Trump. Thus, America didn't get the President they voted for. The US, like here does not work on who get the popular vote but who gets the most states or electorates; Im surprised you are so clueless so as not to know that. No Im not, I was just joking, I know how clueless you are.  ;D ;D Greggery's decided to stay, Big. Hillary won the erection, so he's perfectly free to do so. Remember, the game's rigged. One thing's for certain: we will never know the outcome of this erection. The powers that be will never allow that to get out. Black is white and white is red and red is any colour I say it is.

Exactly. The media are in on the whole thing. The truth can't be allowed to come out, the Establishment would never allow it.

So unfair.

REPORT: 3 MILLION Votes in Presidential Election Cast by ILLEGAL ALIENS, Non-Citizens


by Brian Hayes | Top Right News

Three million votes in the U.S. presidential election were cast by illegal aliens and/or non-citizens, according to Greg Phillips of the VoteFraud.org organization.

If true, this would mean that Donald Trump still won the contest despite widespread vote fraud, and almost certainly won the popular vote.

“We have verified more than three million votes cast by non-citizens,” tweeted Phillips after reporting that the group had completed an analysis of a database of 180 million voter registrations.

    We have verified more than three million votes cast by non-citizens.

    We are joining .@TrueTheVote to initiate legal action. #unrigged

    — Gregg Phillips (@JumpVote) November 13, 2016

“Number of non-citizen votes exceeds 3 million. Consulting legal team,” he added.

    Completed analysis of database of 180 million voter registrations.

    Number of non-citizen votes exceeds 3 million.

    Consulting legal team.

    — Gregg Phillips (@JumpVote) November 11, 2016

According to current indications, Hillary Clinton won the popular vote by around 630,000 votes, although around 7 million ballots remain uncounted.

Virtually all of the votes cast by 3 million illegal immigrants are likely to have been for Hillary Clinton, meaning Trump might have won the popular vote when this number is taken into account.

Vote fraud using ballots cast in the name of dead people and illegal alien voters was a huge concern before the election.

On the morning of the election there were 4 million dead people on U.S. voter rolls.

Some states require some form of ID before voting. But the following states require NO ID whatsoever before voting…

    California
    Illinois
    Iowa
    Maine
    Maryland
    Massachusetts
    Minnesota
    Nebraska
    Nevada
    New Jersey
    New Mexico
    New York
    North Carolina
    Oregon
    Pennsylvania
    Vermont
    West Virginia
    Wyoming
    Washington, D.C.

And thanks to Bill Clinton’s 1993 Motor Voter Act, no proof of citizenship is required to register to vote. Just a checkbox asking if they are legal. No ID, no checks, no penalties enforced.

Hillary Clinton “won” Nevada — a state with a very large illegal alien population — by only 26,000 votes. And populous blue states like California, New York and Illinois have run up Clinton’s popular vote totals. Again, with no proof of ID to vote.

Did Clinton really “win” the popular vote? Or lose it, potentially by millions? It is up to the Trump Administration to get to the bottom of this, and put a stop to massive voter fraud once and for all.

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 15^th, 2016 at 4:59pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 3:14pm: And Clinton won the popular vote. She received more votes at the polling booths than Trump. Thus, America didn't get the President they voted for. The US, like here does not work on who get the popular vote but who gets the most states or electorates; Im surprised you are so clueless so as not to know that. No Im not, I was just joking, I know how clueless you are.  ;D ;D

I think Kim got more votes than John in one of our elections.

Why is little pecca still here is he a filthy liar?

He made a bet with Bias that he would leave this forum forever if Trump won.

Trump won little pecca should be a man and honour his bet and piss off from this forum

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 15^th, 2016 at 9:36pm:

Why is little pecca still here is he a filthy liar?

I think you have been boondoggled, From memory he didn't give a time frame for leaving.

lee wrote on Nov 15^th, 2016 at 9:39pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 9:36pm: Why is little pecca still here is he a filthy liar? I think you have been boondoggled, From memory he didn't give a time frame for leaving.

When you bet someone you will leave if trump won the election the timeframe is after the winner has been declared.

lee wrote on Nov 15^th, 2016 at 9:39pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 9:36pm: Why is little pecca still here is he a filthy liar? I think you have been boondoggled, From memory he didn't give a time frame for leaving.

Yup, that's his out. Of course, you know that if a rightard had been as stupid as him and made a similar promise he would be demanding that person leave the forum after the election.

The left and hypocrisy are synonymous.  ::)

Secret Wars wrote on Nov 15^th, 2016 at 9:45pm:

lee wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 9:39pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 9:36pm: Why is little pecca still here is he a filthy liar? I think you have been boondoggled, From memory he didn't give a time frame for leaving. Yup, that's his out. Of course, you know that if a rightard had been as stupid as him and made a similar promise he would be demanding that person leave the forum after the election. The left and hypocrisy are synonymous.  ::)

He doesn't get to make the time frame, he lost it's time for him to honour his bet and piss off.

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 15^th, 2016 at 9:44pm:

lee wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 9:39pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 9:36pm: Why is little pecca still here is he a filthy liar? I think you have been boondoggled, From memory he didn't give a time frame for leaving. When you bet someone you will leave if trump won the election the timeframe is after the winner has been declared.

Well yes.  That would be the reasonable, decent, honest and honourable interpretation.

So of course, when dealing with luvvies you may as well forget it.  ::)

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 15^th, 2016 at 9:48pm:

He doesn't get to make the time frame, he lost it's time for him to honour his bet and piss off.

the electoral collage hasn't voted yet.

John Smith wrote on Nov 15^th, 2016 at 9:52pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 9:48pm: He doesn't get to make the time frame, he lost it's time for him to honour his bet and piss off. the electoral collage hasn't voted yet.

It doesn't matter Trump has been declared the winner, he bet on who would win.

It's time for him to be a man and honour his bet and piss off like he said he would.

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 15^th, 2016 at 9:44pm:

lee wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 9:39pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 9:36pm: Why is little pecca still here is he a filthy liar? I think you have been boondoggled, From memory he didn't give a time frame for leaving. When you bet someone you will leave if trump won the election the timeframe is after the winner has been declared.

We don 't know who won the erection. The truth may never come out.

John Smith wrote on Nov 15^th, 2016 at 9:52pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 9:48pm: He doesn't get to make the time frame, he lost it's time for him to honour his bet and piss off. the electoral collage hasn't voted yet.

You agree then that he needs to honor his pledge when the Electoral College votes? (19th Dec '16)


just a reminder of his pledge to Frank ...

greggerypeccary
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Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Reply #463 - Oct 30th, 2016 at 10:20pm


Excellent.

Trump wins, I go.

Hillary wins, you go.

No socks.

No reneging.

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 15^th, 2016 at 9:54pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 9:52pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 9:48pm: He doesn't get to make the time frame, he lost it's time for him to honour his bet and piss off. the electoral collage hasn't voted yet. It doesn't matter Trump has been declared the winner, he bet on who would win. It's time for him to be a man and honour his bet and piss off like he said he would.

it's not a given. The electoral collage can still vote for Hillary in which case she would be president. What do you think the protests are all about? They're trying to influence the collage

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 15^th, 2016 at 10:00pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 9:52pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 9:48pm: He doesn't get to make the time frame, he lost it's time for him to honour his bet and piss off. the electoral collage hasn't voted yet. You agree then that he needs to honor his pledge when the Electoral College votes? (19th Dec '16) just a reminder of his pledge to Frank ... greggerypeccary Gold Member Re: Who Will Win the Presidency? Reply #463 - Oct 30th, 2016 at 10:20pm Excellent. Trump wins, I go. Hillary wins, you go. No socks. No reneging.

With Frank? No, Frank was to chicken to take him up on the offer.

He made a deal with someone else who agreed to 12 months self imposed ban ... that you may have a case to argue.

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 15^th, 2016 at 9:54pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 9:52pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 9:48pm: He doesn't get to make the time frame, he lost it's time for him to honour his bet and piss off. the electoral collage hasn't voted yet. It doesn't matter Trump has been declared the winner

Well, of course he would be "declared" the winner. That's just what they want you to think.

John Smith wrote on Nov 15^th, 2016 at 9:52pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 9:48pm: He doesn't get to make the time frame, he lost it's time for him to honour his bet and piss off. the electoral collage hasn't voted yet.

Straws grasping much?  Gregg when he was baiting others referenced more than once the Election Day because on that day he expected Hilary would romp it home and he would be victorious.

But he wasn't.  Hence now the above grasping stupidity from clowns like you and devious dishonesty from liars like him.

Secret Wars wrote on Nov 15^th, 2016 at 10:05pm:

Straws grasping much?  Gregg when he was baiting others referenced more than once the Election Day because on that day he expected Hilary would romp it home and he would be victorious.

whos' grasping at straws? There is no rule that says the electoral collage has to vote for trump. Hillary CAN still win.
All I'm doing is citing facts. If you stopped acting like a hysterical bitch you might realise that.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 2:16pm:

Absolutely nothing changes for me: if Trump wins, I will leave this forum forever, even if no one else takes me up on the bet.

Trump won.

John Smith wrote on Nov 15^th, 2016 at 10:07pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 10:05pm: Straws grasping much?  Gregg when he was baiting others referenced more than once the Election Day because on that day he expected Hilary would romp it home and he would be victorious. whos' grasping at straws? There is no rule that says the electoral collage has to vote for trump. Hillary CAN still win. All I'm doing is citing facts. If you stopped acting like a hysterical bitch you might realise that.

;D ;D ;D ;D

John, if a rightard had made a similar promise and lost you would not be posting the rubbish that you are now.

You know it, everyone knows it. 

Have some smacking respect for yourselves for once. Being of the left shouldnt mean you have to jettison every principle and shred of dignity to support your team. 

But as evidenced, it invariably means that you do. 

Secret Wars wrote on Nov 15^th, 2016 at 10:07pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:16pm: Absolutely nothing changes for me: if Trump wins, I will leave this forum forever, even if no one else takes me up on the bet. Trump won.

When Americans head to the polls on Election Day, they vote to elect people of the Electoral College. The amount of electors each state has is based on its population. Trump received 290 votes under the Electorial College system, while Clinton won 228 votes.

There is a chance that electors can “go rogue.” It even has a name: “Faithless elector.” But it rarely happens.

http://www.ibtimes.com/can-hillary-clinton-still-win-electoral-college-vote-december-after-candidate-wins-2445319


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John Smith wrote on Nov 15^th, 2016 at 10:02pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 10:00pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 9:52pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 9:48pm: He doesn't get to make the time frame, he lost it's time for him to honour his bet and piss off. the electoral collage hasn't voted yet. You agree then that he needs to honor his pledge when the Electoral College votes? (19th Dec '16) just a reminder of his pledge to Frank ... greggerypeccary Gold Member Re: Who Will Win the Presidency? Reply #463 - Oct 30th, 2016 at 10:20pm Excellent. Trump wins, I go. Hillary wins, you go. No socks. No reneging. With Frank? No, Frank was to chicken to take him up on the offer. He made a deal with someone else who agreed to 12 months self imposed ban ... that you may have a case to argue.

You got it wrong, peccary made the bet and Frank took him up on it. I was the one who suggested 12 months self imposed ban, peccary said "No Problems" 

Secret Wars wrote on Nov 15^th, 2016 at 10:11pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 10:07pm: Secret Wars wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 10:05pm: Straws grasping much?  Gregg when he was baiting others referenced more than once the Election Day because on that day he expected Hilary would romp it home and he would be victorious. whos' grasping at straws? There is no rule that says the electoral collage has to vote for trump. Hillary CAN still win. All I'm doing is citing facts. If you stopped acting like a hysterical bitch you might realise that. ;D ;D ;D ;D John, if a rightard had made a similar promise and lost you would not be posting the rubbish that you are now. You know it, everyone knows it.  Have some smacking respect for yourselves for once. Being of the left shouldnt mean you have to jettison every principle and shred of dignity to support your team.  But as evidenced, it invariably means that you do.

you should stick to the facts instead of proving what a complete more on you are.

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 15^th, 2016 at 10:12pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 10:02pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 10:00pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 9:52pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 9:48pm: He doesn't get to make the time frame, he lost it's time for him to honour his bet and piss off. the electoral collage hasn't voted yet. You agree then that he needs to honor his pledge when the Electoral College votes? (19th Dec '16) just a reminder of his pledge to Frank ... greggerypeccary Gold Member Re: Who Will Win the Presidency? Reply #463 - Oct 30th, 2016 at 10:20pm Excellent. Trump wins, I go. Hillary wins, you go. No socks. No reneging. With Frank? No, Frank was to chicken to take him up on the offer. He made a deal with someone else who agreed to 12 months self imposed ban ... that you may have a case to argue. You got it wrong, peccary made the bet and Frank took him up on it. I was the one who suggested 12 months self imposed ban, peccary said "No Problems"

I didn't see Frank agree to the bet. The 12 month one I saw wasn't with Frank. It was someone else. The name escapes me right now.

John Smith wrote on Nov 15^th, 2016 at 10:15pm:

The 12 month one I saw wasn't with Frank. It was someone else. The name escapes me right now.

It was me

John Smith wrote on Nov 15^th, 2016 at 10:14pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 10:11pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 10:07pm: Secret Wars wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 10:05pm: Straws grasping much?  Gregg when he was baiting others referenced more than once the Election Day because on that day he expected Hilary would romp it home and he would be victorious. whos' grasping at straws? There is no rule that says the electoral collage has to vote for trump. Hillary CAN still win. All I'm doing is citing facts. If you stopped acting like a hysterical bitch you might realise that. ;D ;D ;D ;D John, if a rightard had made a similar promise and lost you would not be posting the rubbish that you are now. You know it, everyone knows it.  Have some smacking respect for yourselves for once. Being of the left shouldnt mean you have to jettison every principle and shred of dignity to support your team.  But as evidenced, it invariably means that you do.  you should stick to the facts instead of proving what a complete more on you are.

Heheheh, you reckon when Trump is inaugurated that Gregg is going to disappear on that day?  8-).

That's the poo you are trying to shovel, are you willing to swallow your own crap :)

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 15^th, 2016 at 10:18pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 10:15pm: The 12 month one I saw wasn't with Frank. It was someone else. The name escapes me right now. It was me

Thanks. I knew I wasn't imagining things ;D

Secret Wars wrote on Nov 15^th, 2016 at 10:20pm:

Heheheh, you reckon when Trump is inaugurated that Gregg is going to disappear on that day?  Cool.

I didn't say that.


Secret Wars wrote on Nov 15^th, 2016 at 10:20pm:

That's the poo you are trying to shovel,

why are you so afraid of facts?


Secret Wars wrote on Nov 15^th, 2016 at 10:20pm:

are you willing to swallow your own crap

perhaps you should change your diet. You sound like you've swallowed to much crap

Just so you can get the bet between Frank and peccary in perspective John


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Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Reply #728 - Yesterday at 10:25pm Quote Modify
Frank, technically Trump must be approved by the Electoral College. It gives it's final stamp of approval on the 19th Dec. After that date, you can hold peccary to his pledge.




Frank
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Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Reply #458 - Oct 30th, 2016 at 10:03pm

Trump will be president.



greggerypeccary
Gold Member

Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Reply #459 - Oct 30th, 2016 at 10:05pm

Wanna make a bet?


Frank
Gold Member

Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Reply #460 - Oct 30th, 2016 at 10:06pm

Yeah, I bet he will win.



greggerypeccary
Gold Member

Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Reply #461 - Oct 30th, 2016 at 10:08pm



Let's make it interesting.

If he does, I leave this forum forever.

If he doesn't, you leave this forum forever.

Deal?

Or are you a coward?



Frank
Gold Member

Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Reply #462 - Oct 30th, 2016 at 10:18pm


yeah, deal - you farkk off.

But you never do.



greggerypeccary
Gold Member

Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Reply #463 - Oct 30th, 2016 at 10:20pm


Excellent.

Trump wins, I go.

Hillary wins, you go.

No socks.

No reneging.

Secret Wars wrote on Nov 15^th, 2016 at 10:07pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:16pm: Absolutely nothing changes for me: if Trump wins, I will leave this forum forever, even if no one else takes me up on the bet. Trump won.

Indeed, he did.

And nothing has changed.

I will still leave.

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 15^th, 2016 at 10:24pm:

Just so you can get the bet between Frank and peccary in perspective John Australian Politics Posts: 1378       Re: Who Will Win the Presidency? Reply #728 - Yesterday at 10:25pm Quote Modify Frank, technically Trump must be approved by the Electoral College. It gives it's final stamp of approval on the 19th Dec. After that date, you can hold peccary to his pledge. Frank Gold Member Re: Who Will Win the Presidency? Reply #458 - Oct 30th, 2016 at 10:03pm Trump will be president. greggerypeccary Gold Member Re: Who Will Win the Presidency? Reply #459 - Oct 30th, 2016 at 10:05pm Wanna make a bet? Frank Gold Member Re: Who Will Win the Presidency? Reply #460 - Oct 30th, 2016 at 10:06pm Yeah, I bet he will win. greggerypeccary Gold Member Re: Who Will Win the Presidency? Reply #461 - Oct 30th, 2016 at 10:08pm Let's make it interesting. If he does, I leave this forum forever. If he doesn't, you leave this forum forever. Deal? Or are you a coward? Frank Gold Member Re: Who Will Win the Presidency? Reply #462 - Oct 30th, 2016 at 10:18pm yeah, deal - you farkk off. But you never do. greggerypeccary Gold Member Re: Who Will Win the Presidency? Reply #463 - Oct 30th, 2016 at 10:20pm Excellent. Trump wins, I go. Hillary wins, you go. No socks. No reneging.

And nothing has changed.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 15^th, 2016 at 10:25pm:

And nothing has changed.

Yep nothing has changed ....


greggerypeccary
Gold Member

Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Reply #461 - Oct 30th, 2016 at 10:08pm

Let's make it interesting.

If he does, I leave this forum forever.

If he doesn't, you leave this forum forever.

Deal?

Or are you a coward?

John Smith wrote on Nov 15^th, 2016 at 10:22pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 10:20pm: Heheheh, you reckon when Trump is inaugurated that Gregg is going to disappear on that day?  Cool. I didn't say that.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


John Smith wrote on Nov 15^th, 2016 at 10:22pm:

There is no rule that says the electoral collage has to vote for trump. Hillary CAN still win.

So sorry, I thought you were bringing this up as an excuse for why Gregg is remaining the unflushable turd.  My mistake. Are you prone to unrelated ramblings?

So once more, you reckon when Trump is inaugurated that Gregg will disappear on that day?  8-)

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 15^th, 2016 at 10:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 10:25pm: And nothing has changed. Yep nothing has changed ....

Correct.

Nothing has changed.

Secret Wars wrote on Nov 15^th, 2016 at 10:36pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 10:22pm: Secret Wars wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 10:20pm: Heheheh, you reckon when Trump is inaugurated that Gregg is going to disappear on that day?  Cool. I didn't say that. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D John Smith wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 10:22pm: There is no rule that says the electoral collage has to vote for trump. Hillary CAN still win. So sorry, I thought you were bringing this up as an excuse for why Gregg is remaining the unflushable turd.  My mistake. Are you prone to unrelated ramblings? So once more, you reckon when Trump is inaugurated that Gregg will disappear on that day?  8-)

You seem to be struggling more than usual tonight. You're asking me to guess what greg is going to do, but at the same time call my guesses as to his actions "unrelated ramblings'?

You're really not doing well are you?

John Smith wrote on Nov 15^th, 2016 at 10:00pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 9:54pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 9:52pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 9:48pm: He doesn't get to make the time frame, he lost it's time for him to honour his bet and piss off. the electoral collage hasn't voted yet. It doesn't matter Trump has been declared the winner, he bet on who would win. It's time for him to be a man and honour his bet and piss off like he said he would. it's not a given. The electoral collage can still vote for Hillary in which case she would be president. What do you think the protests are all about? They're trying to influence the collage

Good to see you've been doing your homework John. The E/College can indeed change their mind and select someone else, so can Congress

Keep in mind though that this was a big win for the Republicans and with Obama and Trump already meeting in the White House and the fact that a small number of E/College electors changing their minds twice in the past, it's unlikely Clinton will be chosen, she herself has conceded defeat

We have a month to wait and if Hillary is lucky, I will honor my 12 months banishment agreement - cross your fingers

John Smith wrote on Nov 15^th, 2016 at 10:50pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 10:36pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 10:22pm: Secret Wars wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 10:20pm: Heheheh, you reckon when Trump is inaugurated that Gregg is going to disappear on that day?  Cool. I didn't say that. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D John Smith wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 10:22pm: There is no rule that says the electoral collage has to vote for trump. Hillary CAN still win. So sorry, I thought you were bringing this up as an excuse for why Gregg is remaining the unflushable turd.  My mistake. Are you prone to unrelated ramblings? So once more, you reckon when Trump is inaugurated that Gregg will disappear on that day?  8-) You seem to be struggling more than usual tonight. You're asking me to guess what greg is going to do, but at the same time call my guesses as to his actions "unrelated ramblings'? You're really not doing well are you?

He certainly is struggling.

I haven't even determined the timing of my departure yet.

How does he expect you to know when I'll leave?

An odd bod.

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 15^th, 2016 at 10:52pm:

, it's unlikely Clinton will be chosen,

I agree ... I think it would be an even bigger shock to most people than trump winning it was.

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 15^th, 2016 at 10:52pm:

... it's unlikely Clinton will be chosen, she herself has conceded defeat

Correct.

She won the popular vote, though.  Comfortably.

John Smith wrote on Nov 15^th, 2016 at 10:55pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 10:52pm: , it's unlikely Clinton will be chosen, I agree ... I think it would be an even bigger shock to most people than trump winning it was.

Trump won.

Obama says Trump will be the next President.

Time for little pecca to piss off from this forum.

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 15^th, 2016 at 11:07pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 10:55pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 10:52pm: , it's unlikely Clinton will be chosen, I agree ... I think it would be an even bigger shock to most people than trump winning it was. Trump won. Obama says Trump will be the next President.

Correct.

And nothing has changed.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 15^th, 2016 at 10:57pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 10:52pm: ... it's unlikely Clinton will be chosen, she herself has conceded defeat Correct. She won the popular vote, though.  Comfortably.

https://westernrifleshooters.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/screen-shot-2016-11-14-at-11-04-10-pm.png


I don't suppose you can see the Pattern.

https://westernrifleshooters.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/confused_banner_liv_progs_freedom_obama.jpg

TRUMP IN 2012: Electoral College A ‘Disaster For Democracy’...

TRUMP IN 2016: Electoral College Is ‘Actually Genius’...





This situation with the popular vote has only happened FOUR times in the history of the United States. Two of those times within the last 16 years. That probably is a signal that the Constitution is due for an update.

Would any of these jackasses be whining if That Woman won the election constitutionally by the Electoral College and Trump won the popular vote?

Of course not.

Would conservatives be complaining? We accept the rules because we were brought up to accept the umpire's decision.
Neither do we think destroying people's property is a legitimate form of protest.

So shut the FCK up.

Mortdooley wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 12:15am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 10:57pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 10:52pm: ... it's unlikely Clinton will be chosen, she herself has conceded defeat Correct. She won the popular vote, though.  Comfortably. https://westernrifleshooters.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/screen-shot-2016-11-14-at-11-04-10-pm.png I don't suppose you can see the Pattern.

Yes.

More people voted for Clinton.

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 6:50am:

Would any of these jackasses be whining if That Woman won the election constitutionally by the Electoral College and Trump won the popular vote?

you'd have different jackasses whining.

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 6:50am:

Would conservatives be complaining?

Yes.

Trump said that he wouldn't accept the result of the election if he lost.

So, yes: conservatives would most certainly be complaining.

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 15^th, 2016 at 6:49pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 4:59pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 3:14pm: And Clinton won the popular vote. She received more votes at the polling booths than Trump. Thus, America didn't get the President they voted for. The US, like here does not work on who get the popular vote but who gets the most states or electorates; Im surprised you are so clueless so as not to know that. No Im not, I was just joking, I know how clueless you are.  ;D ;D And lefty globalist moaners need to do their homework before making bets Even here in OZ, a candidate can lose the popular vote in their electorate because of preferential voting Funny thing, a silly woman on the Drum said "The result would have been different had the voting been compulsory", re: US election Some clairvoyant she is, she was only admitting that different voting systems produce different results regardless of what the people want

Prolly didn't realise that in a first world democracy they don't tend to threaten their citizens with punitive legislation forcing them to do something that is a fundamental human right, so it is irrelevant what she thinks or says.



This popular vote whinge, is the same thing where the people of SEQ demand another referendum on DLS because they 'got the numbers' and still lose, because they don't have most of the electorates.
Having most of the people vote for Day Light Saving in brisbane is irrelevant if the rest of Queensland says no (yet again)

Stupid people will always make stupid comments, the best you can do is smack 'em down when they say something.  :) :)

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 8:37am:

Stupid people will always make stupid comments ...

True.

"The election is absolutely being rigged ... " Donald Trump

Clinton won the popular vote; America did not get the President they voted for.

lee wrote on Nov 15^th, 2016 at 6:16pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 3:29pm: lee wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 3:26pm: Well, apart from the reported 3 million illegal alien voters, last I saw there were about 7 million votes to count, including overseas service personnel. Way to early to say who won the popular vote. http://www.infowars.com/report-three-million-votes-in-presidential-election-cast-by-illegal-aliens/ Info Wars? Seriously? Thats your evidence? Of course , your evidence is impeccable. If you can find it. ;)

I dont need evidence. I'm not making any claims. Ijust don't see any eivdence in either that inforwars link or the link it linked to, showing 3 million illegal immigrants voted.


Just some wishy-washy we had reports.

lee wrote on Nov 15^th, 2016 at 3:26pm:

Well, apart from the reported 3 million illegal alien voters, last I saw there were about 7 million votes to count, including overseas service personnel. Way to early to say who won the popular vote. http://www.infowars.com/report-three-million-votes-in-presidential-election-cast-by-illegal-aliens/

" ...  according to Greg Phillips of the VoteFraud.org organization."  Who?    :-/

"If true ... "  Ah! 

"Virtually all of the votes cast by 3 million illegal immigrants are likely to have been for Hillary Clinton, meaning Trump might have won the popular vote when this number is taken into account."

https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/shurgs.gif

About 4 million dead people are still registered to vote. We don't know how many made it to the polls but those who did surely voted for hillary.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 9:17am:

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 8:37am: Stupid people will always make stupid comments ... True. "The election is absolutely being rigged ... " Donald Trump Clinton won the popular vote; America did not get the President they voted for.

Pointing at trump does not make you and your comments any less so.


It is their system, and that is that, regardless of how you feel about it.

Mortdooley wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 9:43am:

We don't know ...

Indeed.

"Clinton's Popular-Vote Lead Will Grow, and Grow, and Grow"

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 9:47am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 9:17am: BigOl64 wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 8:37am: Stupid people will always make stupid comments ... True. "The election is absolutely being rigged ... " Donald Trump Clinton won the popular vote; America did not get the President they voted for. Pointing at trump does not make you and your comments any less so. It is their system, and that is that, regardless of how you feel about it.

It has nothing to do with how I feel about it.

I've accepted the result, and congratulated the winner.

Fact 1: Trump said "The election is absolutely being rigged ... "

Fact 2: Clinton won the popular vote; America did not get the President they voted for.

https://wjcollier3.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/just-the-facts.png

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 9:47am:

Mortdooley wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 9:43am: We don't know ... Indeed. "Clinton's Popular-Vote Lead Will Grow, and Grow, and Grow"

The game's rigged, Greggery. We all know Hillary won the erection. One thing's for sure: the mainstream media will never tell you that.

Bogie lost the bet. He should do the right thing and leave for good. Of course we'd miss him, but this is a matter of principle.

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 9:47am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 9:17am: BigOl64 wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 8:37am: Stupid people will always make stupid comments ... True. "The election is absolutely being rigged ... " Donald Trump Clinton won the popular vote; America did not get the President they voted for. Pointing at trump does not make you and your comments any less so. It is their system, and that is that, regardless of how you feel about it.

It's a rigged system, Big, it's corrupt to the core. The media are in on the game, as is the Establishment. Trump exposed all this. Of course they'll put him in as president.

The Amerikan Dream is dead .

You'll miss me when I'm gone.

Who else would tolerate Greg. Agnes has even got her party frock out in the hope I'll take her somewhere.

Melanias purse wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 9:55am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 9:47am: Mortdooley wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 9:43am: We don't know ... Indeed. "Clinton's Popular-Vote Lead Will Grow, and Grow, and Grow" The game's rigged, Greggery. We all know Hillary won the erection. One thing's for sure: the mainstream media will never tell you that. Bogie lost the bet. He should do the right thing and leave for good. Of course we'd miss him, but this is a matter of principle.

True, so true.

Bogie will never do the honourable thing, though.

'Honour' and 'principles' just aren't in his vocabulary.

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 8:37am:

Prolly didn't realise that in a first world democracy they don't tend to threaten their citizens with punitive legislation forcing them to do something that is a fundamental human right, so it is irrelevant what she thinks or says.

Firstly, I reviewed my recorded programs and that silly woman (Kate Ellis, as it turns out) wasn't on The Drum but on Q&A. Not that it makes much difference, the ABC being a lefty globalist station, they still haven't slowed down from their thinly disguised disapproval of Trump in their news commentaries and programs

Kate Ellis is a Labor shadow minister and if she had any credibility she would have offered a reason why compulsory voting would have produced a different result, but she offered nothing, and there was young people in the audience listening to her brainwashing diatribe. By the way, that Q&A audience was stacked with anti Trump people, there was only nine Trump supporters, indicated by an impromptu show of hands, when asked by Barnaby, a member on the panel


No reason offered, no credibility, Ellis needs to be ignored (shadow minister for Early Childhood Education, of all things)

Neither are "shame" or "soul" as I've repeatedly warned you.

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 10:01am:

You'll miss me when I'm gone. Who else would tolerate Greg. Agnes has even got her party frock out in the hope I'll take her somewhere.

Don't go, Bogie. We'll vote you in.

If a majority votes to throw you out, no worries. We'll just shift the goalposts.

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 10:04am:

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 8:37am: Prolly didn't realise that in a first world democracy they don't tend to threaten their citizens with punitive legislation forcing them to do something that is a fundamental human right, so it is irrelevant what she thinks or says. Firstly, I reviewed my recorded programs and that silly woman (Kate Ellis, as it turns out) wasn't on The Drum but on Q&A. Not that it makes much difference, the ABC being a lefty globalist station, they still haven't slowed down from their thinly disguised disapproval of Trump in their news commentaries and programs Kate Ellis is a Labor shadow minister and if she had any credibility she would have offered a reason why compulsory voting would have produced a different result, but she offered nothing, and there was young people in the audience listening to her brainwashing diatribe. By the way, that Q&A audience was stacked with anti Trump people, there was only nine Trump supporters, indicated by an impromptu show of hands, when asked by Barnaby, a member on the panel No reason offered, no credibility, Ellis needs to be ignored (shadow minister for Early Childhood Education, of all things)

Probably got a degree in Nostril Hygiene from La Trobe university or some other such seat of falsehood dissemination.

Not to worry, they are all yesterday's people. But slow as they are on the uptake, they haven't realised it yet.

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 10:04am:

By the way, that Q&A audience was stacked  ...

It always is, dear.

It always is.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 10:02am:

Melanias purse wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 9:55am: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 9:47am: Mortdooley wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 9:43am: We don't know ... Indeed. "Clinton's Popular-Vote Lead Will Grow, and Grow, and Grow" The game's rigged, Greggery. We all know Hillary won the erection. One thing's for sure: the mainstream media will never tell you that. Bogie lost the bet. He should do the right thing and leave for good. Of course we'd miss him, but this is a matter of principle. True, so true. Bogie will never do the honourable thing, though. 'Honour' and 'principles' just aren't in his vocabulary.

Now now, Bogie said he'd refuse to accept it if Hillary got erected. Bogie, you see, believes in the truth.

It's why he posts all those fake news sites. 

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 10:08am:

Probably got a degree in Nostril Hygiene from La Trobe university or some other such seat of falsehood dissemination. Not to worry, they are all yesterday's people. But slow as they are on the uptake, they haven't realised it yet.

Will we include Laurie Oakes, poor guy, tryin' to eat his bit of pizza with his nervous shacking hand while watching Trump gather 270 +

On a commercial station of course, but even I was feeling his pain. How long has he been a journo?

Oh yes, and then there was Greg Sheridan .....

We all know how the Electoral College system works. However, when the entire country is voting for just two positions - president and vice-president - there is only one fair and reasonable way to do it which is via the popular vote. Not because the outcome would suit me, but because it is fairer. The current system seems destined to be unfair and actually leaves some states without either party taking much interest in them because they either cant win or cant lose the state. but if there were just votes up for grabs... everyone would get interest from both parties.

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 11:58am:

We all know how the Electoral College system works. However, when the entire country is voting for just two positions - president and vice-president - there is only one fair and reasonable way to do it which is via the popular vote. Not because the outcome would suit me, but because it is fairer. The current system seems destined to be unfair and actually leaves some states without either party taking much interest in them because they either cant win or cant lose the state. but if there were just votes up for grabs... everyone would get interest from both parties.

Their voting system was never meant to provide fairness or unfairness, it was meant to prevent mob rule and it's excesses. The original intent of their constitution was about freedom ... and resisting "freebies" from government. For longevity of their Constitutional Republic

But over the centuries, certain amendments, the 14th, 16th and 17th crept in and now there is a proposal to get them out. They are causing problems that are bringing the US to it's knees, however under Obama's watch, nothing was being done. The United States has a better chance now of getting those adversarial amendments struck out under a more conservative President and Congress. The 14th, 16th and 17th were never properly ratified so a repeal process is not necessary I believe, just a line drawn through them

But again, their voting system is a cross between indirect and direct elections, and it's not for foreigners to tell them how it should be or that it needs changing in any way, Americans only will decide

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 1:00pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 11:58am: We all know how the Electoral College system works. However, when the entire country is voting for just two positions - president and vice-president - there is only one fair and reasonable way to do it which is via the popular vote. Not because the outcome would suit me, but because it is fairer. The current system seems destined to be unfair and actually leaves some states without either party taking much interest in them because they either cant win or cant lose the state. but if there were just votes up for grabs... everyone would get interest from both parties. Their voting system was never meant to provide fairness or unfairness, it was meant to prevent mob rule and it's excesses. The original intent of their constitution was about freedom ... and resisting "freebies" from government. For longevity of their Constitutional Republic But over the centuries, certain amendments, the 14th, 16th and 17th crept in and now there is a proposal to get them out. They are causing problems that are bringing the US to it's knees, however under Obama's watch, nothing was being done. The United States has a better chance now of getting those adversarial amendments struck out under a more conservative President and Congress. The 14th, 16th and 17th were never properly ratified so a repeal process is not necessary I believe, just a line drawn through them But again, their voting system is a cross between indirect and direct elections, and it's not for foreigners to tell them how it should be or that it needs changing in any way, Americans only will decide

If amendments are not raitified then they have no power end effectively do not exist.

And what is this 'mob rule' rubbish'? how is a direct election of president 'mob rule' anymore than the same mob voting via a college? The outcomes are almost always the same and when they arent, the unfairness becomes apparent.

BTW democracy is in effect, 'mob rule'.

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 1:06pm:

If amendments are not raitified then they have no power end effectively do not exist.

That's right, but they've been advantageous to the usurpers who kept them there




longweekend58 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 1:06pm:

And what is this 'mob rule' rubbish'? how is a direct election of president 'mob rule' anymore than the same mob voting via a college? The outcomes are almost always the same and when they arent, the unfairness becomes apparent.

Congress is elected at the same time .... did you miss that while the vote counting was going on?

It's not for us to question their election system, no more than you'd agree to them questioning our way of doing things



longweekend58 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 1:06pm:

BTW democracy is in effect, 'mob rule'.

That's a sudden turnaround, glad you admit the Libs and Labs are mob rule

The US was never meant to be a Democracy, it's a Constitutional Republic, placed at about the mid point along the political spectrum, whereby one end of the spectrum has no government, the other end having full authoritarian government

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 1:40pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 1:06pm: If amendments are not raitified then they have no power end effectively do not exist. That's right, but they've been advantageous to the usurpers who kept them there longweekend58 wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 1:06pm: And what is this 'mob rule' rubbish'? how is a direct election of president 'mob rule' anymore than the same mob voting via a college? The outcomes are almost always the same and when they arent, the unfairness becomes apparent. Congress is elected at the same time .... did you miss that while the vote counting was going on? It's not for us to question their election system, no more than you'd agree to them questioning our way of doing things longweekend58 wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 1:06pm: BTW democracy is in effect, 'mob rule'. That's a sudden turnaround, glad you admit the Libs and Labs are mob rule The US was never meant to be a Democracy, it's a Constitutional Republic, placed at about the mid point along the political spectrum, whereby one end of the spectrum has no government, the other end having full authoritarian government

The 'mob' are voters. If you dont understand that then I cant help you. If you dont like representative democracy then there are several countries you could go to.

Term such as homophobic, zenophobia, islamaphobia, racist, bigot as beltched non stop by the media and lefts are now being challenged by he silent majority. Funny, Joyce called Wong "cool and groovy" regarding her stand against Trump.

Was that code for "tongue and groover"?

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 15^th, 2016 at 3:14pm:

And Clinton won the popular vote. She received more votes at the polling booths than Trump. Thus, America didn't get the President they voted for.

You want to bet??

If Trump was elected entirely in accordance with the American electoral laws you leave the forum forever, right now.

Or are you a chicken??

Frank wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 4:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 3:14pm: And Clinton won the popular vote. She received more votes at the polling booths than Trump. Thus, America didn't get the President they voted for. You want to bet??

There's no debate on this issue.

Clinton won the popular vote.

She received more votes at the polling booths than Trump.

Thus, the American voting public didn't get the President they voted for.

2010 Australian election: Popular vote      Gillard: 4,711,363      Abbott:5,365,529

Gillard was PM even though Australian's 'chose' Abbott. But these things are not determined SIMPLY BY THE POPULAR VOTE in all cases.   

This is why marginal seats and swing states matter more than seats/states overwhelmingly voting one way or the other.

Some one is still coming to terms with the results, a dishonorable discharge maybe the right thing to do.

Frank wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 4:35pm:

2010 Australian election: Popular vote      Gillard: 4,711,363      Abbott:5,365,529 Gillard was PM even though Australian's 'chose' Abbott. But these things are not determined SIMPLY BY THE POPULAR VOTE in all cases.    This is why marginal seats and swing states matter more than seats/states overwhelmingly voting one way or the other.

You see? You told us all this, old boy. The game's rigged. You predicted the whole thing.

Why has no one asked Trump if he still thinks the election was rigged? Surely that would be question #1?

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 2:58pm:

If you dont like representative democracy then there are several countries you could go to.

Well, what did I just say? ....

"It's not for us to question their election system, no more than you'd agree to them questioning our way of doing things"


If you don't want our system criticized, don't criticize their system

Frank wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 4:35pm:

2010 Australian election: Popular vote      Gillard: 4,711,363      Abbott:5,365,529 Gillard was PM even though Australian's 'chose' Abbott. But these things are not determined SIMPLY BY THE POPULAR VOTE in all cases.    This is why marginal seats and swing states matter more than seats/states overwhelmingly voting one way or the other.

Australians don't vote for the PM.

Frank wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 4:35pm:

2010 Australian election: Popular vote      Gillard: 4,711,363      Abbott:5,365,529 Gillard was PM even though Australian's 'chose' Abbott. But these things are not determined SIMPLY BY THE POPULAR VOTE in all cases.    This is why marginal seats and swing states matter more than seats/states overwhelmingly voting one way or the other.

Australians don't vote for the PM

John Smith wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 7:30pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 4:35pm: 2010 Australian election: Popular vote      Gillard: 4,711,363      Abbott:5,365,529 Gillard was PM even though Australian's 'chose' Abbott. But these things are not determined SIMPLY BY THE POPULAR VOTE in all cases.    This is why marginal seats and swing states matter more than seats/states overwhelmingly voting one way or the other. Australians don't vote for the PM

Oh, so the popular vote doesn't matter, all of a sudden. Never mind that in the US the number of electoral college votes determine who is president, not the popular vote.



I LOVE how you guys are constantly exposing yourselves as the shifty little opportunistic spivs and unprincipled and dishonest agit-prop cadres that you are at heart and in what you please to call your shrivelled and deformed little minds.

Trump won according to the rules of the US electoral system. Gillard became PM according to Australian electoral rules.
That's all that matters.



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Frank wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 8:16pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 7:30pm: Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 4:35pm: 2010 Australian election: Popular vote      Gillard: 4,711,363      Abbott:5,365,529 Gillard was PM even though Australian's 'chose' Abbott. But these things are not determined SIMPLY BY THE POPULAR VOTE in all cases.    This is why marginal seats and swing states matter more than seats/states overwhelmingly voting one way or the other. Australians don't vote for the PM Oh, so the popular vote doesn't matter, all of a sudden. Never mind that in the US the number of electoral college votes determine who is president, not the popular vote.

Correct.

And nobody has said anything to the contrary.

Why do you always argue with yourself?

Frank wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 8:16pm:

Oh, so the popular vote doesn't matter, all of a sudden.

what popular vote? Aussies don't vote for the PM. you are assuming that every vote for a coalition member is a vote for turdball ... you'd be wrong.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 8:19pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 8:16pm: Oh, so the popular vote doesn't matter, all of a sudden. Correct.

SO why are you banging on and on and on about it like a demented unflushable?

Frank wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 8:33pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 8:19pm: Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 8:16pm: Oh, so the popular vote doesn't matter, all of a sudden. Correct. SO why are you banging on and on and on about it like a demented unflushable?

I'm not.

I've merely stated that Clinton won the popular vote, and thus America didn't get the President they voted for.

No banging on.  Nothing demented.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 8:35pm:

I've merely stated that Clinton won the popular vote, and thus America didn't get the President they voted for.

The second clause doesn't follow from the first.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 8:35pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 8:33pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 8:19pm: Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 8:16pm: Oh, so the popular vote doesn't matter, all of a sudden. Correct. SO why are you banging on and on and on about it like a demented unflushable? I'm not. I've merely stated that Clinton won the popular vote, and thus America didn't get the President they voted for. No banging on.  Nothing demented.

Nonsense. Americans dont vote for the President.

rhino wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 9:13pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 8:35pm: Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 8:33pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 8:19pm: Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 8:16pm: Oh, so the popular vote doesn't matter, all of a sudden. Correct. SO why are you banging on and on and on about it like a demented unflushable? I'm not. I've merely stated that Clinton won the popular vote, and thus America didn't get the President they voted for. No banging on.  Nothing demented. Nonsense. Americans dont vote for the President.

Americans dont vote for the President.



Is it the Chinese ?

Dnarever wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 9:15pm:

rhino wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 9:13pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 8:35pm: Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 8:33pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 8:19pm: Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 8:16pm: Oh, so the popular vote doesn't matter, all of a sudden. Correct. SO why are you banging on and on and on about it like a demented unflushable? I'm not. I've merely stated that Clinton won the popular vote, and thus America didn't get the President they voted for. No banging on.  Nothing demented. Nonsense. Americans dont vote for the President. Americans dont vote for the President. Is it the Chinese ?

You appear even more confused than Pecca. I suggest you both examine the US voting system a bit more thoroughly before making further outlandish statements.

rhino wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 9:13pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 8:35pm: Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 8:33pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 8:19pm: Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 8:16pm: Oh, so the popular vote doesn't matter, all of a sudden. Correct. SO why are you banging on and on and on about it like a demented unflushable? I'm not. I've merely stated that Clinton won the popular vote, and thus America didn't get the President they voted for. No banging on.  Nothing demented. Nonsense.

Not at all.

Clinton won the popular vote, thus, America didn't get the President they voted for.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 8:35pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 8:33pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 8:19pm: Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 8:16pm: Oh, so the popular vote doesn't matter, all of a sudden. Correct. SO why are you banging on and on and on about it like a demented unflushable? I'm not. I've merely stated that Clinton won the popular vote, and thus America didn't get the President they voted for. No banging on.  Nothing demented.

Even if we could have a fraud free election they would only need to concern themselves with the first ten most populated States.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_population

Los Angeles County has a larger population then the ten least populace States. Why worry about representing the people of Wyoming  if you can charm California?

Los Angeles County — the most populous in the nation with about 10.1 million people — was projected less than a decade ago to reach a population of 12 million by 2030. Now, the county is expected to reach that milestone after 2060, according to state estimates.

Why represent the people of Louisiana when you can get the vote of New York City!

The city had a population of 8.273 Million in 2011, 8.344 Million in 2012, 8.406 Million in 2013, 8.491 Million in 2014 and 8.550 Million in 2015. By getting the 2015 data, the predicted population of the year 2016 is 8.6 Million.

Four million dead people and three million illegals voted in this election and I don't think any voted for Trump.

The Electoral Collage did exactly what it was designed to do! Give everyone representation not just high population cities.

Mortdooley wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 12:32am:

The Electoral Collage did exactly what it was designed to do! Give everyone representation not just high population cities.

We know Mort, but the lefty globalist losers here would like to see the US change your system to the Australian system of voting - compulsory voting with penalties if you don't comply, including selling your house to recoup fine money (I have a fine notice so I know what penalties apply)

Then we have preferential as well as primary voting. This means that a candidate doesn't necessarily need more primary votes than the next candidate to win a seat in parliament, they can win if they get more preferences (preferences are votes that have less value than primary votes). The Fed voting here covers the whole country. Our states are excluded from the Fed vote,

Some of us here understand that your Fed general election is more of a "States" election and the States take precedence over the Fed - hence Electoral College electors in each State. The lefty losers here conveniently refuse to accept this idea the US created and think that your popular vote should have put Clinton in as President, but they're only going on like that because Trump won 270 plus

What would happen in the US Mort, if the Electoral College decided on Clinton in mid December? when they do their final count and make their final decision

John Smith wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 7:30pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 4:35pm: 2010 Australian election: Popular vote      Gillard: 4,711,363      Abbott:5,365,529 Gillard was PM even though Australian's 'chose' Abbott. But these things are not determined SIMPLY BY THE POPULAR VOTE in all cases.    This is why marginal seats and swing states matter more than seats/states overwhelmingly voting one way or the other. Australians don't vote for the PM

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 6:24pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 4:35pm: 2010 Australian election: Popular vote      Gillard: 4,711,363      Abbott:5,365,529 Gillard was PM even though Australian's 'chose' Abbott. But these things are not determined SIMPLY BY THE POPULAR VOTE in all cases.    This is why marginal seats and swing states matter more than seats/states overwhelmingly voting one way or the other. Australians don't vote for the PM.

Well no surprises there, pek and the jon state the bleeding obvious again, fair dinkum they remind me of the Skipper and Gilligan. Fact is many people vote  for the leader they prefer knowing the leadership can change. Example, the Turnbull party.

I don't remember any whining about the electoral college when Obama won two elections. If people want to change the system, it can become an election issue. If not, its just a lot of sour grapes.

Johnnie wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 1:52am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 7:30pm: Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 4:35pm: 2010 Australian election: Popular vote      Gillard: 4,711,363      Abbott:5,365,529 Gillard was PM even though Australian's 'chose' Abbott. But these things are not determined SIMPLY BY THE POPULAR VOTE in all cases.    This is why marginal seats and swing states matter more than seats/states overwhelmingly voting one way or the other. Australians don't vote for the PM greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 6:24pm: Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 4:35pm: 2010 Australian election: Popular vote      Gillard: 4,711,363      Abbott:5,365,529 Gillard was PM even though Australian's 'chose' Abbott. But these things are not determined SIMPLY BY THE POPULAR VOTE in all cases.    This is why marginal seats and swing states matter more than seats/states overwhelmingly voting one way or the other. Australians don't vote for the PM. Well no surprises there, pek and the jon state the bleeding obvious again, fair dinkum they remind me of the Skipper and Gilligan. Fact is many people vote  for the leader they prefer knowing the leadership can change. Example, the Turnbull party.

if it was so bloody obvious why weren't you able to work it out on your own?

issuevoter wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 6:45am:

I don't remember any whining about the electoral college when Obama won two elections.

Did he win the popular vote?

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 8:29am:

issuevoter wrote on Nov 17th, 2016 at 6:45am: I don't remember any whining about the electoral college when Obama won two elections. Did he win the popular vote?

Yes, Obama won the popular vote. In fact, only four times in American history has a president not won the popular vote and two of those times were in the last 16 years ...

In 2012 Trump declared the Electoral College something that needed to be done away with :)

Hillary's popular vote lead gets bigger each time I check ...

AiA wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 8:52am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 17th, 2016 at 8:29am: issuevoter wrote on Nov 17th, 2016 at 6:45am: I don't remember any whining about the electoral college when Obama won two elections. Did he win the popular vote? Yes, Obama won the popular vote.

Well, there we go then.

America got the President they voted for - no need for any whining.

Can you correct your count for the residents of the cemeteries and the illegals?

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 9:06am:

Can you correct your count for the residents of the cemeteries and the illegals?

Can you provide any proof?

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 9:07am:

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 17th, 2016 at 9:06am: Can you correct your count for the residents of the cemeteries and the illegals? Can you provide any proof?

Don't hold your breath: Bogeyman is one of the millions who see no reason for facts because it is all about belief ...

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 15^th, 2016 at 3:58pm:

lee wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 3:26pm: Well, apart from the reported 3 million illegal alien voters, last I saw there were about 7 million votes to count, including overseas service personnel. Way to early to say who won the popular vote. http://www.infowars.com/report-three-million-votes-in-presidential-election-cast-by-illegal-aliens/ “We probably have about 7 million votes left to count,” said David Wasserman, an editor at Cook Political Report who is tracking turnout. “A majority of them are on the coasts, in New York, California, and Washington. She should be able to win those votes, probably 2-1.” By mid-December, when the Electoral College officially casts its ballots, Wasserman estimates that Clinton could be ahead by 2 percentage points in the popular vote.[ Clinton's Popular-Vote Lead Will Grow, and Grow, and Grow

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Geez, have you ever seen a bigger bunch of losers!

The only thing to compare vaguely is the bunch of losers when Whitlam got thrown out.

And then it was all about Maintain the Rage too.
They rampage & loot & destroy as if it's gonna make a damned bit if difference.

Sad sad people. Boo hoo, the tears are falling.

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Trump clearly won the election, anyone betting he wouldn't and then lost the bet probably didn't take everything into consideration before betting ...

The pendulum was swinging back to the conservative side worldwide

Concerned about border crossers

Foreign affairs was in a mess

The murder of Christopher Stevens in Benghazi

The issue of Clinton's emails

Weakness towards China and Iran

The extent to which the GFC is still lingering

Concerns about Trade Agreements

Concerns about violations of the Constitution

Concerns about over-reaching on environment regulation

Then there was:

Understanding how women vote

Understanding that the States take precedence over the Fed

Knowing that the Election is for Congress as well as the President

Knowing that the President is decided by the Electoral College


It's only wishful thinking to say "Americans' didn't get the President they voted for" when referring to Clinton. Americans got the President that the College Electors of the STATES voted for. But lets see if the STATES College Electors change their mind in mid-December,  and that's when the bets come into full effect and any loser must make up their mind whether to be of such character to honor the bet, or to slide into the realms of slimy reneging cowardice

The US election system can't be changed now, just because ignorant people lose bets i

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 2:12pm:

Trump clearly won the election ...

Correct.

However, Clinton won the popular vote.

Thus, America did not get the President they voted for.

..

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"Dumped on Prom Night" SHillary's election night meltdown




Source:      The New York Times      
Quote:

Hillary Clinton’s night on the 9th of November went from a celebration to an absolute meltdown once the election unexpectedly turned on her, leaving Trump as the victor. Some of the remnants of Hillary Clinton’s rampage in the private VIP area was discovered by the hotel custodial staff the day following the election. Hillary Clinton’s post election celebration plans included hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of fireworks, live performances by various celebrities, such as Cher, who came believing that Hillary was going to win the election, a five-hundred-thousand-dollar special effect glass ceiling that she would break through in a dramatic display once she walked out on stage at her H.Q., among millions of dollars worth of other celebratory preparations, all paid for by the Clinton Foundation in full. The most notable damage was located deep in the VIP room of the Clinton camp. A custom 150 inch ultra HD TV, a gift from the Saudi Arabian government, was found with a broken screen. The damage was caused by a $950,000 bottle of champagne that was believed to have been thrown at the screen by the former presidential candidate some time during the election. Early in the morning, the custodial staff were greeted by flipped-over tables as the floors were covered with expensive food, drinks, and appetizers. Broken champagne flutes and gilded silverware were also seen scattered around the would-be party room. The most telling sign of a massive meltdown was the cake. The pastry that had once proudly displayed the presidential seal, was violently flung against the walls in chunks. A broken topper from the cake in the shape of the white house was discovered lodged firmly into the drywall near the dessert table. Clinton’s splurge on party supplies was merely an echo of all the left-leaning polls and hype that "confirmed" Hillary Clinton's indubitable win. Misled by just about every prediction, Hillary Clinton personally planned one big party for her assumed victory. Once it became clear that it would not be Clinton's night, however, the mood of the party soured rapidly. A former staffer, who was fired during the rampage, said that the atmosphere around Clinton went from "queen of the hour" to "the girl who was dumped on prom night" in only a few moments.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 2:13pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 17th, 2016 at 2:12pm: Trump clearly won the election ... Correct. However, Clinton won the popular vote. Thus, America did not get the President they voted for.

But lets see if the STATES College Electors change their mind in mid-December,  and that's when the bets come into full effect and any loser must make up their mind whether to be of such character to honor the bet, or to slide into the realms of slimy reneging cowardice

The US election system can't be changed now, just because ignorant people lose bets i

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 2:17pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 17th, 2016 at 2:13pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 17th, 2016 at 2:12pm: Trump clearly won the election ... Correct. However, Clinton won the popular vote. Thus, America did not get the President they voted for. But lets see if the STATES College Electors change their mind in mid-December,  and that's when the bets come into full effect and any loser must make up their mind whether to be of such character to honor the bet, or to slide into the realms of slimy reneging cowardice The US election system can't be changed now, just because ignorant people lose bets i

Who said anything about changing the system?

I'm just giving you the facts.

Clinton won the popular vote, thus, America did not get the President they voted for.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 2:19pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 17th, 2016 at 2:17pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 17th, 2016 at 2:13pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 17th, 2016 at 2:12pm: Trump clearly won the election ... Correct. However, Clinton won the popular vote. Thus, America did not get the President they voted for. But lets see if the STATES College Electors change their mind in mid-December,  and that's when the bets come into full effect and any loser must make up their mind whether to be of such character to honor the bet, or to slide into the realms of slimy reneging cowardice The US election system can't be changed now, just because ignorant people lose bets i Who said anything about changing the system? I'm just giving you the facts. Clinton won the popular vote, thus, America did not get the President they voted for.

The US election system can't be changed now, just because ignorant people lose bets

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 2:23pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 17th, 2016 at 2:19pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 17th, 2016 at 2:17pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 17th, 2016 at 2:13pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 17th, 2016 at 2:12pm: Trump clearly won the election ... Correct. However, Clinton won the popular vote. Thus, America did not get the President they voted for. But lets see if the STATES College Electors change their mind in mid-December,  and that's when the bets come into full effect and any loser must make up their mind whether to be of such character to honor the bet, or to slide into the realms of slimy reneging cowardice The US election system can't be changed now, just because ignorant people lose bets i Who said anything about changing the system? I'm just giving you the facts. Clinton won the popular vote, thus, America did not get the President they voted for. The US election system can't be changed now, just because ignorant people lose bets

Who said anything about changing the system?

I'm just giving you the facts.

Clinton won the popular vote, thus, America did not get the President they voted for.

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bogarde73 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 1:52pm:

Geez, have you ever seen a bigger bunch of losers! The only thing to compare vaguely is the bunch of losers when Whitlam got thrown out. And then it was all about Maintain the Rage too. They rampage & loot & destroy as if it's gonna make a damned bit if difference. Sad sad people. Boo hoo, the tears are falling.

I remember that clearly. I was working for a company that had active union members in the workforce and I announced Whitlam's loss to them during our lunch break. I heard the news before the others did. Nearly got my head knocked off, they were ready to demolish anything not nailed down or even nailed down

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 1:52pm:

Geez, have you ever seen a bigger bunch of losers! The only thing to compare vaguely is the bunch of losers when Whitlam got thrown out. And then it was all about Maintain the Rage too. They rampage & loot & destroy as if it's gonna make a damned bit if difference. Sad sad people. Boo hoo, the tears are falling.

This is got to be among the so, so funnys to date!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grD_IINiH9c

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 2:23pm:

Who said anything about changing the system? I'm just giving you the facts. Clinton won the popular vote, thus, America did not get the President they voted for.

"Popular vote" or not, there is still a 99.99% chance you will lose your bet with Frank and my "pussy 12 months banishment" bet, in mid December

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 2:47pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 17th, 2016 at 2:23pm: Who said anything about changing the system? I'm just giving you the facts. Clinton won the popular vote, thus, America did not get the President they voted for. "Popular vote" or not, there is still a 99.99% chance you will lose your bet with Frank and my "pussy 12 months banishment" bet, in mid December

I'd say 100%.

I've already conceded.

This isn't about that, though.

This is about America not getting what they voted for.

They voted for Clinton, but got Trump.

They've been cheated (by the system).

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 2:49pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 17th, 2016 at 2:47pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 17th, 2016 at 2:23pm: Who said anything about changing the system? I'm just giving you the facts. Clinton won the popular vote, thus, America did not get the President they voted for. "Popular vote" or not, there is still a 99.99% chance you will lose your bet with Frank and my "pussy 12 months banishment" bet, in mid December I'd say 100%. I've already conceded. This isn't about that, though. This is about America not getting what they voted for. They voted for Clinton, but got Trump. They've been cheated (by the system).

FACT
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Panther wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 2:58pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 17th, 2016 at 2:49pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 17th, 2016 at 2:47pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 17th, 2016 at 2:23pm: Who said anything about changing the system? I'm just giving you the facts. Clinton won the popular vote, thus, America did not get the President they voted for. "Popular vote" or not, there is still a 99.99% chance you will lose your bet with Frank and my "pussy 12 months banishment" bet, in mid December I'd say 100%. I've already conceded. This isn't about that, though. This is about America not getting what they voted for. They voted for Clinton, but got Trump. They've been cheated (by the system). https://i.imgsafe.org/d387fe4b0f.png

Nothing surprising there.

FACT
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grD_IINiH9c

"Clinton’s vote total is a historic achievement.

"Clinton now has the third highest number of votes of any presidential candidate in U.S. history (she also became the fourth presidential candidate to win the popular vote but lose the Electoral College).

"She is behind only Barack Obama’s two historic elections. However, she just surpassed the tally of George W. Bush."

https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/can-hillary-still-win-clinton-election-donald-trump-rigged-2016-presidential.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grD_IINiH9c


FACT
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WOW...... Another FACT is that More Blacks voted for Trump, than voted for the Republicans in 2008 & 2012. 

WOW...... Another FACT is that More Hispanics voted for Trump, than voted for the Republicans in 2008 & 2012.

Panther wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 3:15pm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grD_IINiH9c FACT https://i.imgsafe.org/d387fe4b0f.png WOW......

Nothing "wow" about that.

I would expect people without college degrees to vote for Trump.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 3:05pm:

"Clinton’s vote total is a historic achievement. "Clinton now has the third highest number of votes of any presidential candidate in U.S. history (she also became the fourth presidential candidate to win the popular vote but lose the Electoral College). "She is behind only Barack Obama’s two historic elections. However, she just surpassed the tally of George W. Bush." https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/can-hillary-still-win-clinton-election-donald-trump-rigged-2016-presidential.jpg

That's all academic, unless you want the US to change their voting system, if you want that, have the guts to start a thread about it

The Electoral College is in existence in the US to protect smaller states because the general election is State by State. It's not a federal election like here where the States are excluded

Direct your "America didn't get the President they voted for" at Americans, not us Aussies, that'll get you no where 

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 3:25pm:

I would expect people without college degrees to vote for Trump.

And those with college degrees were probably scaredy cats afraid of losing their jobs and/or circle of globalist humanist friends

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 3:25pm:

Panther wrote on Nov 17th, 2016 at 3:15pm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grD_IINiH9c FACT https://i.imgsafe.org/d387fe4b0f.png WOW...... Another FACT is that More Blacks voted for Trump, than voted for the Republicans in 2008 & 2012.  WOW...... Another FACT is that More Hispanics voted for Trump, than voted for the Republicans in 2008 & 2012. Nothing "wow" about that. I would expect people without college degrees to vote for Trump.

WOW.......   A bit bigoted, & prejudiced....bordering on racist there Pecca.....showing some true colors there huh?

Without qualification you're blanketly saying that ALL Blacks & Hispanics that voted for Trump were without a College Degree.   ........WOW!   ::)

AiA wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 2:42am:

TRUMP IN 2012: Electoral College A ‘Disaster For Democracy’... TRUMP IN 2016: Electoral College Is ‘Actually Genius’... This situation with the popular vote has only happened FOUR times in the history of the United States. Two of those times within the last 16 years. That probably is a signal that the Constitution is due for an update.

Democracy?? https://i.imgsafe.org/2fcdabb.gif 

The United States isn't a Democracy........The United States of America is a Constitutional Republic, governed by law (the Constitution) not by a Majority Vote.

Why don't you propose a 28^th Constitutional Amendment to the United States Constitution, to the United States Congress? 

You can do it if you wish you know, & you must also know that unless Americans Ratify a New Constitutional Amendment to their Constitution (it doesn't belong to the Government....it belongs to the People), the process won't ever be changed. ;)