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Title: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by matty on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 5:08pm

Even two days after the election those on the left are marching and protesting and whining about the decision. Why not just be good sports, accept the democratic decision and move on? You lost, get over it. The people had enough of the corrupt political establishment. They didn't want to vote for Hillary.

It doesn't matter what political experts like Katy Perry, Lady GaGa, Miley Cyrus, Beyoncé, Jay Z and Robert DeNiro wanted. What makes them think that ordinary Americans would listen to them? What arrogance and contempt.

That said I don't really mind all the whining and bitching keep it coming it's been highly amusing, it's been almost orgasmic watching you moan after having told us for months on end that Trump had no chance of winning.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Greens_Win on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 5:13pm

If the left lost, who won.

i.e
TPP gone ... a left win
Isolationism, the death of globalisation ... a left win
A trade war, undermining capitalism ... a left win.

Trump has trashed the right from within.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Secret Wars on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 5:14pm

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 5:08pm:

The weeping and lamentations of the luvvies. The Guardian is going to be even better reading with this and Brexit.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Black Orchid on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 5:31pm

Petitions are even popping up everywhere. Get over it and move on lefties. Bad sports? You bet!

Quote:

On December 19, the Electors of the Electoral College will cast their ballots. If they all vote the way their states voted, Donald Trump will win. However, they can vote for Hillary Clinton if they choose. Even in states where that is not allowed, their vote would still be counted, they would simply pay a small fine - which we can be sure Clinton supporters will be glad to pay!

We are calling on the Electors to ignore their states' votes and cast their ballots for Secretary Clinton. Why?

Mr. Trump is unfit to serve. His scapegoating of so many Americans, and his impulsivity, bullying, lying, admitted history of sexual assault, and utter lack of experience make him a danger to the Republic.

https://www.change.org/p/electoral-college-electors-electoral-college-make-hillary-clinton-president-on-december-19

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Leftwinger on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 5:33pm

____ wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 5:13pm:

Big win for the left .

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Baronvonrort on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 5:40pm

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 5:08pm:

The left think they are relevant.

When you take away their buzzwords and one liners they have nothing.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by juliar on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 5:42pm

Because Socialism aspires to something like Nth Korea where the Socialists have total control over everything.

Recall how Gillard tried to ban free speech ?

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Jovial Monk on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 6:14pm

I am glad the TPP and TiSA are history.

In 4 years time—how much will Trump have accomplished. Like the simian here—I bet nothing much, nothing good.

But maybe demonising muslims, new immigrants may be enough. Doubt it but maybe.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 6:36pm

"The election is absolutely being rigged ..." Donald Trump, 2016

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Kat on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 6:45pm

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 5:08pm:

Hey, Dumbo, the right to protest IS democracy.

But just because it's you assholes being protested against, it's somehow wrong?

And do you think for one minute that Trump followers wouldn't have done likewise
if Killary (The Hildebeast) had won?

Of course they would have, and probably even worse.

You may or may not disagree with WHY they are protesting.

That's fine. I don't care.

But to suggest that they CANNOT protest is nothing remotely democratic.

**For the record, I am NOT a Clinton supporter. Make of that what you will.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by matty on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 6:59pm

____ wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 5:13pm:

So then I take it that you are a Trump supporter, Woody?

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by matty on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:00pm

Secret Wars wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 5:14pm:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 5:08pm:

The weeping and lamentations of the luvvies. The Guardian is going to be even better reading with this and Brexit.

I love it, it is so fun to watch and read.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by matty on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:03pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 6:36pm:

"The election is absolutely being rigged ..." Donald Trump, 2016

After making your prediction you can no longer question anyone else's intelligence. Remember "Hillary will definitely win". What happened to your promise you would leave if she didn't? Was that just more hot air?

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by matty on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:09pm

Kat wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 6:45pm:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 5:08pm:

You may not be a Hillary supporter per se but I would be the house that you wanted her to win over Trump.

Two things:

1. Calling me dumbo is ironic given you didn't even understand what I said. I didn't say that they couldn't or shouldn't protest. That is fine, within reason (except for assaulting people and breaking windows as many of them have). I said that they are whinging and not accepting the decision. It was like Brexit and the election of the One Nation Senators. And I am questioning the point of their protesting? What are they trying to achieve? The election is over and done with.

2. You calling me dumbo also shows that the left are usually the ones that assault and insult others. I didn't call you names, I have too much class for that. When you resort to insults it detracts from whatever point you are trying to make.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:10pm

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 6:36pm:

"The election is absolutely being rigged ..." Donald Trump, 2016

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Greens_Win on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:17pm

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 6:59pm:

____ wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 5:13pm:

So then I take it that you are a Trump supporter, Woody?

Star Greens candidate prefers Abbott to Shorten because it would trigger street protests and civil disruption

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2016/star-greens-candidate-prefers-abbott-to-shorten-because-it-would-trigger-street-protests-and-civil-disruption-with-video--20160511-gosfrx.html

Trump, rather than Clinton, will trigger global protests and civil disruption.

Trump's the trigger for a radical global shift against capitalism and anti-environmentalism.

Not a Trump supporter, yet thought Trump would get in, and am prepared.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by matty on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:28pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:10pm:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 6:36pm:

"The election is absolutely being rigged ..." Donald Trump, 2016

"I will leave the forum forever if Trump wins" - Greggy 2016

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by matty on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:29pm

____ wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:17pm:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 6:59pm:

____ wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 5:13pm:

So then I take it that you are a Trump supporter, Woody?

You've just explain yourself why the Greens have always and will always be only a party of protest.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:31pm

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:10pm:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 6:36pm:

"The election is absolutely being rigged ..." Donald Trump, 2016

"I will leave the forum forever if Trump wins" - Greggy 2016

And nothing has changed.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Greens_Win on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:43pm

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:29pm:

____ wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:17pm:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 6:59pm:

____ wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 5:13pm:

So then I take it that you are a Trump supporter, Woody?

You've just explain yourself why the Greens have always and will always be only a party of protest.

Explain how you deduce that.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Leftwinger on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 8:27pm

If the left didnt protest the scabdogs from the right wouldnt enjoy weekends annual leave sick pay and a myriad of other things they take for granted , grow a pair rtardz

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Frank on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 8:55pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:31pm:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:10pm:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 6:36pm:

"The election is absolutely being rigged ..." Donald Trump, 2016

"I will leave the forum forever if Trump wins" - Greggy 2016

And nothing has changed.

"Hillary by a landslide" - your idiocy - has changed.
Why have you not f***d off already???

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by John Smith on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 9:34pm

Its time wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 8:27pm:

If the left didnt protest the scabdogs from the right wouldnt enjoy weekends annual leave sick pay and a myriad of other things they take for granted , grow a pair rtardz

;D ;D

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by John Smith on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 9:36pm

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:09pm:

I didn't say that they couldn't or shouldn't protest.

sure you did, you idiot

Why won't the left respect democracy??

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by matty on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 9:41pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:31pm:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:10pm:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 6:36pm:

"The election is absolutely being rigged ..." Donald Trump, 2016

"I will leave the forum forever if Trump wins" - Greggy 2016

And nothing has changed.

Actually I was getting more at the point of you making such a stupid prediction and pledge rather than you having not left yet.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by matty on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 9:42pm

____ wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:43pm:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:29pm:

____ wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:17pm:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 6:59pm:

____ wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 5:13pm:

So then I take it that you are a Trump supporter, Woody?

You've just explain yourself why the Greens have always and will always be only a party of protest.

Explain how you deduce that.

Because you Greenies seem to thrive on conflict and protests.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by matty on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 9:45pm

John Smith wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 9:36pm:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:09pm:

I didn't say that they couldn't or shouldn't protest.

sure you did, you idiot

Why won't the left respect democracy??

Again with the name calling, of course coming from th peaceful, compassionate and tolerant left.

There is nowhere in that statement that I said that they couldn't or shouldn't protest (although again they absolutely shouldn't by breaking windows and destroying property that is not theirs), I merely asked why they can't seem to respect the decision made by the voters on the day.

Don't blame me for your lack of basic comprehension skills.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by John Smith on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 9:49pm

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 9:45pm:

Again with the name calling, of course coming from th peaceful, compassionate and tolerant left.

the only ones who keep describing lefties as peaceful and compassionate are ~~retards~~ rightards

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 9:45pm:

There is nowhere in that statement that I said that they couldn't or shouldn't protest (although again they absolutely shouldn't by breaking windows and destroying property that is not theirs), I merely asked why they can't seem to respect the decision made by the voters on the day.

sure there is, don't be ashamed of your own comments, Own them.
and the voters voted for Hillary. She won the popular vote. It's the SYSTEM that gave it to thrump and that's what the left are protesting about. Which is their right.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Dnarever on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 10:03pm

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 5:08pm:

Trump pledged right through his campaign that he would not respect democracy if he lost so why should he expect anything different when he won.

Besides some people really do not want a President who admits to sexually assaulting women and expects to get away with it. You can only wonder what he thinks the president can do with out repercussions.

The man is not suitable to represent anyone.

He was dead and buried till his FBI mates sunk Clinton with false accusations.

The only good thing is he is virtually the USA's version of Abbott, hang on to your seats it is going to be a very funny ride.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Dnarever on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 10:06pm

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:10pm:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 6:36pm:

"The election is absolutely being rigged ..." Donald Trump, 2016

"I will leave the forum forever if Trump wins" - Greggy 2016

I don't recall anyone taking him up on his bet ?

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by matty on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 10:09pm

John Smith wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 9:49pm:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 9:45pm:

Again with the name calling, of course coming from th peaceful, compassionate and tolerant left.

the only ones who keep describing lefties as peaceful and compassionate are ~~retards~~ rightards

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 9:45pm:

The left has lomg claimed to be the side of peace and tolerance.

Where is there? Show me where I said it.

As I understand it Hillary did slightly win the popular vote but Donald received more votes from a wider variety of demographics, whereas hers was mostly concentrated especially in New York and California.

If that is the only reason they were protesting (which I highly doubt then work on changing the system. I didn't see any lefties complaining in 2014 when in SA Labor was elected with many less votes than the acoalition because of the gerrymander in SA.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Dnarever on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 10:14pm

The Great wall of Mexico

Really, idiot.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Greens_Win on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 10:36pm

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 9:42pm:

____ wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:43pm:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:29pm:

____ wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:17pm:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 6:59pm:

____ wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 5:13pm:

So then I take it that you are a Trump supporter, Woody?

You've just explain yourself why the Greens have always and will always be only a party of protest.

Explain how you deduce that.

Because you Greenies seem to thrive on conflict and protests.

That doesn't explain your claim.
Conflict requires at least two parties.
How come it's acceptable for the right to inflict their conflict and it's not acceptable for the Greens to stand up to the right.
You sir, have double standards.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by John Smith on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 11:19pm

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 10:09pm:

The left has lomg claimed to be the side of peace and tolerance.

that is something the right say. Peace and compassion is an admirable goal. That doesn't mean you let retards walk all over you

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 10:09pm:

As I understand it Hillary did slightly win the popular vote

everything you said after that is just an excuse.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by matty on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 12:20am

Dnarever wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 10:03pm:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 5:08pm:

No he didn't.

Yes and Hillary is squeaky clean too, isn't she? Not to mention her husband and his confirmed and verified adultery, not to mention cases against him of his conduct towards women. But that's right as usual you just brush it off because he is on the left.

False accusations? Are you seriously saying that there's nothing dodgy about the way that she conducted her emails?

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by matty on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 12:21am

Dnarever wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 10:06pm:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:10pm:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 6:36pm:

"The election is absolutely being rigged ..." Donald Trump, 2016

"I will leave the forum forever if Trump wins" - Greggy 2016

I don't recall anyone taking him up on his bet ?

I think someone did for 2 years but it was a stupid bet to make in the first place.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Setanta on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 12:22am

Matty has a point. When I watched the crap protests against Trump, I wept for the left. Sore losers, is this what we have become? It was pathetic.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by matty on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 12:23am

____ wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 10:36pm:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 9:42pm:

____ wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:43pm:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:29pm:

____ wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:17pm:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 6:59pm:

____ wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 5:13pm:

So then I take it that you are a Trump supporter, Woody?

You've just explain yourself why the Greens have always and will always be only a party of protest.

Explain how you deduce that.

Because you Greenies seem to thrive on conflict and protests.

What conflict has the right started? I want specifics.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by matty on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 12:26am

John Smith wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 11:19pm:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 10:09pm:

The left has lomg claimed to be the side of peace and tolerance.

that is something the right say. Peace and compassion is an admirable goal. That doesn't mean you let retards walk all over you

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 10:09pm:

As I understand it Hillary did slightly win the popular vote

everything you said after that is just an excuse.

But it does meant that you use standover tactics against volunteer firefighters? It does mean that you assault people who support One Nation, Brexit and Trump? It does mean that you assault a homeless black lady guarding Trump's star? It does mean that you throw drinks on a man supporting Trump, and swear and cuss when escorted by security?

As for everything else, look, you're the one who made a false accusation about me and called me an idiot for something for which you have repeatedly failed to provide evidence. Until you do just that I am done bothering with you.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by matty on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 12:26am

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Setanta on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 12:28am

matty wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 12:23am:

What conflict has the right started? I want specifics.

Historically? Now? What is your frame of reference? Remember war is almost always about resources, people included, hence religion.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by matty on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 12:28am

Setanta wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 12:22am:

Matty has a point. When I watched the crap protests against Trump, I wept for the left. Sore losers, is this what we have become? It was pathetic.

At least someone can see it. Here is another lefty who can actually see it for what it is.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GLG9g7BcjKs

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Setanta on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 12:33am

matty wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 12:28am:

Setanta wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 12:22am:

Matty has a point. When I watched the crap protests against Trump, I wept for the left. Sore losers, is this what we have become? It was pathetic.

At least someone can see it. Here is another lefty who can actually see it for what it is.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GLG9g7BcjKs

I agree with that man.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Bias_2012 on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 12:46am

[quote link=1478848114/35#35 date=1478874107]I don't recall anyone taking him up on his bet ?

I think someone did for 2 1 years but it was a stupid bet to make in the first place. [/quote]

Yeah it was pretty stupid for the pipsqueak loser to back Clinton ... called us cowards then ended up morphing into a coward himself

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Greens_Win on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 4:58am

matty wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 12:23am:

____ wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 10:36pm:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 9:42pm:

____ wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:43pm:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:29pm:

____ wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:17pm:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 6:59pm:

____ wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 5:13pm:

So then I take it that you are a Trump supporter, Woody?

You've just explain yourself why the Greens have always and will always be only a party of protest.

Explain how you deduce that.

Because you Greenies seem to thrive on conflict and protests.

What conflict has the right started? I want specifics.

Obviously, your method is to try and induce a reaction in others, without an intention of debating.
So this post and I will not look at this thread again.

From midday on January 20 — the day Mr Trump is inaugurated as the 45th president of the United States — he will also become the commander-in-chief of the entire US army, navy and air force, giving him sole authority to order a nuclear or conventional missile attack.

Normally such a role would barely rate a mention after a US election. But during the campaign, Mr Trump repeatedly raised the possibility of using nuclear weapons.

In May, Mr Trump said if the Islamic State (IS) group was to attack the US, he might return fire with a nuke — and that Japan and South Korea should be able to do the same to North Korea.

In response, the White House described his policy as "catastrophic".

Then, in August, it was revealed he had asked a foreign policy expert three times during a briefing:

"Why can't we use nuclear weapons?"
"Three times he asked," said MSNBC host Joe Scarborough, who said he had spoken to the expert.

"At one point: 'If we have them, why can't we use them?'"

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-11/donald-trump-access-to-nuclear-weapons-should-we-be-scared/8017276

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Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by John Smith on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:35am

matty wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 12:26am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 11:19pm:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 10:09pm:

The left has lomg claimed to be the side of peace and tolerance.

that is something the right say. Peace and compassion is an admirable goal. That doesn't mean you let retards walk all over you

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 10:09pm:

As I understand it Hillary did slightly win the popular vote

everything you said after that is just an excuse.

how convenient of you to credit everything to the left, but the right disliked thrump just as much as the left so unless you can prove they're lefties, blow it out of your arse.

and I provided the evidence. .. it's in your thread title. If you're to stupid to see it don't blame me.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Dnarever on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 9:37am

matty wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 12:20am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 10:03pm:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 5:08pm:

No but plenty dodgy about the way the FBI chose to get involved 11 days before the vote - apparently at the request of Trump.

Are you seriously saying that there's nothing dodgy about the way that she conducted her emails?

You want the 50 plus other US politicians who have done virtually the same thing to be locked up with her ?

What she did was stupid not criminal or dodgy.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 10:19am

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:10pm:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 6:36pm:

"The election is absolutely being rigged ..." Donald Trump, 2016

"I will leave the forum forever if Trump wins" - Greggy 2016

Yes, and nothing has changed.

"The election is absolutely being rigged ..." Donald Trump, 2016

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Panther on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 10:49am

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 5:31pm:

Petitions are even popping up everywhere. Get over it and move on lefties. Bad sports? You bet!

Quote:

https://www.change.org/p/electoral-college-electors-electoral-college-make-hillary-clinton-president-on-december-19

This was the call in 2000.......The Result........Albert Gore still lost......George Bush was inaugurated as scheduled without incident.

Every time there is a close election, the call goes out to "Change the Electoral College System", but after 230+ years it's still there, & the American People who don't like it still get over it in due course.

If the American People wanted to change the Electoral College System in the US Constitution they would need to petition for a Constitutional Amendment, introduce it into the Republican Congress, get it passed...not by a majority, but by a super majority in both the Senate & the House of Representatives...& that's just for starters.....they would then have to put it to a passage vote of the 50 States, of which 3/4 of them....38 States.....would have to agree with it. Traditionally this would take between 7 & 20 years. Of the over 1,400 proposed Amendments to the US Constitution that followed this difficult path over 230+ years, only 17 succeeded.

So, go to the American People with a petition from this forum, & convince them that we Australians think they should change their most sacred & revered document to make the World happy, & make America more Democratic.

If they don't laugh you out of town tarred & feathered on a rail, & they somehow decide you're 100% correct, then I wish you clear sailing before you pile up on the solid rocks known as the "United States" of America! http://www.33sm.ml/smileys/lolfun.gif

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by John Smith on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 10:54am

so Panther, you think we shouldn't discuss the subject? I'm not sure what the point of this rubbish is

Panther wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 10:49am:

So, go to the American People with a petition from this forum

Perhaps you should go to a knitting forum if you only want to discuss subjects you agree with.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Gordon on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 10:59am

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 10:19am:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:10pm:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 6:36pm:

"The election is absolutely being rigged ..." Donald Trump, 2016

"I will leave the forum forever if Trump wins" - Greggy 2016

Yes, and nothing has changed.

"The election is absolutely being rigged ..." Donald Trump, 2016

He said being in the continuous tense so the action of the election 'being rigged ' may have just started and stopped.

Can you provide a quote where the election 'as been rigged'?

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Panther on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:00am

John Smith wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 10:54am:

so Panther, you think we shouldn't discuss the subject? I'm not sure what the point of this rubbish is

Panther wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 10:49am:

So, go to the American People with a petition from this forum

Perhaps you should go to a knitting forum if you only want to discuss subjects you agree with.

Firstly, Anyone....even you Smitty, can petition Congress for a Constitutional Amendment......now, that said....The exact opposite of your statement is actually true.....I wish you all the world in exercising the freedom of speech you have.....never cower on any mere suggestion that you go softly to your corner & sob rather than discussing it.

Discuss it till you're blue in the face, it's your right, I was just outlining how, IMHO, it will be one step past impossible to change the American System, but hammer on Smitty.....Hammer on!

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by John Smith on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:03am

Panther wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:00am:

The exact opposite is actually true.....I wish you all the world in exercising the freedom of speech you have.....never cower on any mere suggestion that you go softly to your corner & sob rather than discussing it.

Discuss it till you're blue in the face, it's your right, I was just outlining how, IMHO, it will be one step past impossible to change the American System, but hammer on Smitty.....Hammer on! ...

your comment was condescending bullsh1t. No one here is trying to change the American system, we're discussing the American system.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Panther on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:06am

John Smith wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:03am:

Panther wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:00am:

your comment was condescending bullsh1t. No one here is trying to change the American system, we're discussing the American system.

Ah, so you agree that the American System should be respected, & should remain the same........you merely want to discuss it then.....fine with me....continue....

On Inauguration Day, Friday January 20th, 2017 when they play 'Hail to the Chief' you will be witnessing the Inauguration of Americas 45^th President, Donald J. Trump

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:08am

Gordon wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 10:59am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 10:19am:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:10pm:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 6:36pm:

"The election is absolutely being rigged ..." Donald Trump, 2016

"I will leave the forum forever if Trump wins" - Greggy 2016

Yes, and nothing has changed.

"The election is absolutely being rigged ..." Donald Trump, 2016

He said being in the continuous tense so the action of the election 'being rigged ' may have just started and stopped.

;D

"The election is absolutely being rigged ..." Donald Trump, 2016

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Agnes on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:16am

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:10pm:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 6:36pm:

"The election is absolutely being rigged ..." Donald Trump, 2016

all I am hearing is the couple of wingnuts on here who haven't respected the right that the left be allowed to express our opinion, we have listened to and respected your boorish crap for months over this thug and even now you want to dictate the narrative--- remind me again who are the bullies losers and sour grape merchants...one more time because I dont think we got it the first 1000 times.

I look forward to the thugs early demise..with bells on. I will also make sure I am part of any discussions from here on in..so get used to it. Everyone knows that the right are lower in IQ than the left and man does it show. Rednecks are pretty stupid...a known fact.

Trump won by default. Hillary won the vote of the people. The election was rigged. This will come to light and let see you graciously accept that result.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Mr Hammer on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:19am

Agnes wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:16am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:10pm:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 6:36pm:

"The election is absolutely being rigged ..." Donald Trump, 2016

that the right are lower in IQ than the left and man does it show. ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Agnes on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:22am

Agnes wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:16am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:10pm:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 6:36pm:

"The election is absolutely being rigged ..." Donald Trump, 2016

all I am hearing is the couple of wingnuts on here who haven't respected the right that the left be allowed to express our opinion, we have listened to and respected your boorish crap for months over this thug and even now you want to dictate the narrative--- remind me again who are the bullies losers and sour grape merchants...one more time because I dont think we got it the first 1000 times.

I look forward to the thugs early demise..with bells on. I will also make sure I am part of any discussions from here on in..so get used to it. Everyone knows that the right are lower in IQ than the left and man does it show. Rednecks are pretty stupid...a known fact.

Trump won by default. Hillary won the vote of the people. The election was rigged. This will [b][i]come to light and let see you graciously accept that result.

Sorry hammer, the studies and results are out there- the left frequently out perform the right. There is so much stupid in these threads it numbs the senses.. most of you are rednecks..bye ya'll
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uzae_SqbmDE

Git yerself a cornstalk , pick your teeth and set awhile.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Mr Hammer on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:24am

Agnes wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:22am:

Agnes wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:16am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:10pm:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 6:36pm:

"The election is absolutely being rigged ..." Donald Trump, 2016

Sorry hammer, the studies and results are out there- the left frequently out perform the right. There is so much stupid in these threads it numbs the senses.. most of you are rednecks..bye ya'll

The Nazi's were as right as you can go and they are the reason why man is in space. Trump getting in has nothing to do with intelligence at all. It's about a struggling nation who feel they aren't being listened to. Why keep voting for the people who aren't helping you?

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Agnes on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:26am

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:24am:

Agnes wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:22am:

Agnes wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:16am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:10pm:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 6:36pm:

"The election is absolutely being rigged ..." Donald Trump, 2016

Sorry hammer, the studies and results are out there- the left frequently out perform the right. There is so much stupid in these threads it numbs the senses.. most of you are rednecks..bye ya'll

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uzae_SqbmDE

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Panther on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:29am

Agnes wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:16am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:10pm:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 6:36pm:

"The election is absolutely being rigged ..." Donald Trump, 2016

So he did Agnes.......so he did......so he did.

More women voted for him than did for Mitt Romney in 2012........More Hispanics voted for him that did for Mitt Romney in 2012.........More Blacks voted for him than did for Mitt Romney in 2012
;)

Sticks in yer craw Agnes, dunnit! ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Agnes on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:31am

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:24am:

Agnes wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:22am:

Agnes wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:16am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:10pm:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 6:36pm:

"The election is absolutely being rigged ..." Donald Trump, 2016

Sorry hammer, the studies and results are out there- the left frequently out perform the right. There is so much stupid in these threads it numbs the senses.. most of you are rednecks..bye ya'll

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uzae_SqbmDE

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Agnes on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:32am

;D
Panther wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:29am:

Agnes wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:16am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:10pm:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 6:36pm:

"The election is absolutely being rigged ..." Donald Trump, 2016

I will save that as a record that you were responsible for the mess down the track..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uzae_SqbmDE

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:32am

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:19am:

the right are lower in IQ than the left and man does it show.

Something we agree on, Homo.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Panther on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:33am

Forum Bug

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Agnes on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:34am

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:32am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:19am:

the right are lower in IQ than the left and man does it show.

Something we agree on, Homo.

great pick up Mr Peccarry. :)

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Mr Hammer on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:36am

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:32am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:19am:

the right are lower in IQ than the left and man does it show.

Something we agree on, Homo.

Your IQ wasn't enough to get the right result. :)

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:38am

Agnes wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:34am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:32am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:19am:

the right are lower in IQ than the left and man does it show.

Something we agree on, Homo.

great pick up Mr Peccarry. :)

The irony is delicious.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Mr Hammer on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:40am

Agnes wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:34am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:32am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:19am:

the right are lower in IQ than the left and man does it show.

Something we agree on, Homo.

great pick up Mr Peccarry. :)

Your argument is retarded Agnes. Millions of American people are dumber than millions of other American people because they voted Trump. A little kid could develop that argument. ::)

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Gordon on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:42am

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:08am:

Gordon wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 10:59am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 10:19am:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:10pm:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 6:36pm:

"The election is absolutely being rigged ..." Donald Trump, 2016

"I will leave the forum forever if Trump wins" - Greggy 2016

Yes, and nothing has changed.

"The election is absolutely being rigged ..." Donald Trump, 2016

He said being in the continuous tense so the action of the election 'being rigged ' may have just started and stopped.

;D

"The election is absolutely being rigged ..." Donald Trump, 2016

Cool. So nothing with past tense?

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:46am

Gordon wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:42am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:08am:

Gordon wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 10:59am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 10:19am:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:10pm:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 6:36pm:

"The election is absolutely being rigged ..." Donald Trump, 2016

"I will leave the forum forever if Trump wins" - Greggy 2016

Yes, and nothing has changed.

"The election is absolutely being rigged ..." Donald Trump, 2016

He said being in the continuous tense so the action of the election 'being rigged ' may have just started and stopped.

;D

"The election is absolutely being rigged ..." Donald Trump, 2016

Cool. So nothing with past tense?

You want something past tense?

Why didn't you say so?

Trump lost the popular vote.

This is from the past too: Four years ago, Donald Trump declared that the U.S. Electoral College system of picking presidents "is a disaster for a democracy."

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Agnes on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:48am

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:46am:

Gordon wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:42am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:08am:

Gordon wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 10:59am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 10:19am:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:10pm:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 6:36pm:

"The election is absolutely being rigged ..." Donald Trump, 2016

"I will leave the forum forever if Trump wins" - Greggy 2016

Yes, and nothing has changed.

"The election is absolutely being rigged ..." Donald Trump, 2016

He said being in the continuous tense so the action of the election 'being rigged ' may have just started and stopped.

;D

"The election is absolutely being rigged ..." Donald Trump, 2016

Cool. So nothing with past tense?

and yet he won ( by default ) with it..

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Frank on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:50am

The mood in the Big Media and among theor readership is bleak, and deservedly so.

It shouldn’t come as a surprise to anyone that, with a few exceptions, we were all tacitly or explicitly #WithHer, which has led to a certain anguish in the face of Donald Trump’s victory. More than that and more importantly, we also missed the story, after having spent months mocking the people who had a better sense of what was going on.

This is all symptomatic of modern journalism’s great moral and intellectual failing: its unbearable smugness. Had Hillary Clinton won, there’s be a winking “we did it” feeling in the press, a sense that we were brave and called Trump a liar and saved the republic.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:52am

Agnes wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:48am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:46am:

Gordon wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:42am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:08am:

Gordon wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 10:59am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 10:19am:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:10pm:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 6:36pm:

"The election is absolutely being rigged ..." Donald Trump, 2016

"I will leave the forum forever if Trump wins" - Greggy 2016

Yes, and nothing has changed.

"The election is absolutely being rigged ..." Donald Trump, 2016

He said being in the continuous tense so the action of the election 'being rigged ' may have just started and stopped.

;D

"The election is absolutely being rigged ..." Donald Trump, 2016

Cool. So nothing with past tense?

and yet he won ( by default ) with it..

He says the election was rigged, and that the Electoral College system is undemocratic, yet he still accepts the position of President-Elect.

America has been cheated by a sly fraudster.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Gordon on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:57am

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:46am:

Gordon wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:42am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:08am:

Gordon wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 10:59am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 10:19am:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:10pm:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 6:36pm:

"The election is absolutely being rigged ..." Donald Trump, 2016

"I will leave the forum forever if Trump wins" - Greggy 2016

Yes, and nothing has changed.

"The election is absolutely being rigged ..." Donald Trump, 2016

He said being in the continuous tense so the action of the election 'being rigged ' may have just started and stopped.

;D

"The election is absolutely being rigged ..." Donald Trump, 2016

Cool. So nothing with past tense?

Hopefully President Trump can everhaul the system.
Thank orange for Donald.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Mr Hammer on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 12:00pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:46am:

Gordon wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:42am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:08am:

Gordon wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 10:59am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 10:19am:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:10pm:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 6:36pm:

"The election is absolutely being rigged ..." Donald Trump, 2016

"I will leave the forum forever if Trump wins" - Greggy 2016

Yes, and nothing has changed.

"The election is absolutely being rigged ..." Donald Trump, 2016

He said being in the continuous tense so the action of the election 'being rigged ' may have just started and stopped.

;D

"The election is absolutely being rigged ..." Donald Trump, 2016

Cool. So nothing with past tense?

Why are you chirping about this now Pecca? In 1998 Pauline Hanson won 936,621 or 8.43% of house of rep votes and didn't get a seat.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 12:01pm

Gordon wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:57am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:46am:

Gordon wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:42am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:08am:

Gordon wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 10:59am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 10:19am:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:10pm:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 6:36pm:

"The election is absolutely being rigged ..." Donald Trump, 2016

"I will leave the forum forever if Trump wins" - Greggy 2016

Yes, and nothing has changed.

"The election is absolutely being rigged ..." Donald Trump, 2016

He said being in the continuous tense so the action of the election 'being rigged ' may have just started and stopped.

;D

"The election is absolutely being rigged ..." Donald Trump, 2016

Cool. So nothing with past tense?

Hopefully President Trump can everhaul the system.
Thank orange for Donald.

Haven't had your morning coffee yet, Gordy?

Why would he want to overhaul a system that made him President?

Without that system, he wouldn't be where he is now.

So, what possible reason would he have to change the system that gave him the luckiest break of his life?

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Frank on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 12:03pm

In a federal system like the US or Australia the popular vote is only half the story.
And the electoral system has been unchanged for a long time so everyone knew how it worked.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Gordon on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 12:06pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 12:01pm:

Gordon wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:57am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:46am:

Gordon wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:42am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:08am:

Gordon wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 10:59am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 10:19am:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:10pm:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 6:36pm:

"The election is absolutely being rigged ..." Donald Trump, 2016

"I will leave the forum forever if Trump wins" - Greggy 2016

Yes, and nothing has changed.

"The election is absolutely being rigged ..." Donald Trump, 2016

He said being in the continuous tense so the action of the election 'being rigged ' may have just started and stopped.

;D

"The election is absolutely being rigged ..." Donald Trump, 2016

Cool. So nothing with past tense?

Hopefully President Trump can everhaul the system.
Thank orange for Donald.

Obviously he'll change it on his 2nd term.

Tell you what, if he doesn't change it during his 2nd term I'll leave Ozpolitics 4 eva

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Frank on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 12:06pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:52am:

He says the election was rigged, and that the Electoral College system is undemocratic, yet he still accepts the position of President-Elect.

America has been cheated by a sly fraudster.

;D ;D ;D ;D
So what happened to your insistence on 'Hillary will win by a landslide", numpty?

Did you miss something??

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Agnes on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 12:17pm

Frank wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 12:06pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:52am:

He says the election was rigged, and that the Electoral College system is undemocratic, yet he still accepts the position of President-Elect.

America has been cheated by a sly fraudster.

;D ;D ;D ;D
So what happened to your insistence on 'Hillary will win by a landslide", numpty?

Did you miss something??

Would say that was premised on the fact that everything and everyone started and finished on a level playing field Frank.. and yes someone is missing something Frank, can you guess what it is..

I believe this belongs to a chimp, he said you could use it for today... gaawwn Frank. you know you want to?

Title: Why won't the left respect AMERICAN democracy??
Post by Panther on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 12:21pm

..

Quote:

........Four years ago, Donald Trump declared that the U.S. Electoral College system of picking presidents "is a disaster for a democracy."

Remember, & Trump now knows this full well, the American system is only based on democratic principals, it is not a Democracy, it is a Constitutional Republic.

The American Founding Fathers were insistent that they didn't want America to be a Democracy, where 50% + 1 forms a Majority, & therefore it rules over the remaining minority.

They wanted to protect the Minority, something a Democracy can't & won't do.

America is a Constitutional Republic, & is not ruled by a Majority....50%+1, it's governed by A Constitution......the rule of law, all with the consent of the governed.....the American People ;)

This video explains, in easy to understand terms, what a Democracy is, & what a Republic is.....

What the American Form of Government is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFXuGIpsdE0

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by John Smith on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 2:13pm

Panther wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:06am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:03am:

Panther wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:00am:

your comment was condescending bullsh1t. No one here is trying to change the American system, we're discussing the American system.

[size=11][font=Georgia][i]Ah, so you agree that the American System should be respected, & should remain the same........you merely want to discuss it then.....fine with me....continue....

don't try to twist what I'm saying. You don't know what you are saying, what hope have you got of working out what I'm saying.
I don't think the American system is very democratic at all and if I were in the USA I'd be pushing for a complete overhaul of the system. Lucky for me I'm not American, so I don't really give a phark.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Yadda on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 2:39pm

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 6:36pm:

"The election is absolutely being rigged ..." Donald Trump, 2016

After making your prediction you can no longer question anyone else's intelligence.

Remember "Hillary will definitely win".

What happened to your promise you would leave if she didn't?

Was that just more hot air?

matty,

Everyone on OzPol knows, and have known for a very long time...............

..............that greggery is an unreliable, boastful ["Hillary will definitely win"], BIG FAT LIAR.

When something is white, greggery will say that it is black.

When something is black, greggery will claim that it is white.

Nothing that greggery says has any weight.

Yadda said....

Quote:

The two most important characteristics which define the personality of a person [imo];
1/ are we honest ?
2/ are we reliable ? ....[e.g. if we give someone an undertaking to do something, or to behave in a certain way, will we keep to the [verbal] agreement that we have made ?]

More than that, is superfluous, imo.

Pretending to be someone with an anglo background ['greggery'], the guy is clearly a filthy, deceitful, lying moslem.

Quack, quack.

His real name is Abdullah.

What other conclusion, could i come to ?

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Yadda on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 2:48pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 6:36pm:

"The election is absolutely being rigged ..." Donald Trump, 2016

Yes.

Right up until election day, the mainstream media were backing and helping HRC.

Right up until election day itself, the mainstream media were CONFIDENTLY stating that Clinton was ahead, and predicting that Clinton would win the actual poll.

The Leftists in the USA did try to rig the result.

They failed.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by longweekend58 on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 3:13pm

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 5:08pm:

You've always been pretty simplistic and here is more of the same. This in fact has nothing to do with left or right but rather the election of a grossly unsuitable man as President. A man who is racist, sexist, abusive, incompetent, liar and abuser. And no one really denies it.

It has everything to do with the most powerful nation electing someone who is RESPONSIBLE.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 3:46pm

Yadda wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 2:48pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 6:36pm:

"The election is absolutely being rigged ..." Donald Trump, 2016

Yes.

Indeed.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 3:47pm

Gordon wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 12:06pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 12:01pm:

Gordon wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:57am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:46am:

Gordon wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:42am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:08am:

Gordon wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 10:59am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 10:19am:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:10pm:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 6:36pm:

"The election is absolutely being rigged ..." Donald Trump, 2016

"I will leave the forum forever if Trump wins" - Greggy 2016

Yes, and nothing has changed.

"The election is absolutely being rigged ..." Donald Trump, 2016

He said being in the continuous tense so the action of the election 'being rigged ' may have just started and stopped.

;D

"The election is absolutely being rigged ..." Donald Trump, 2016

Cool. So nothing with past tense?

Hopefully President Trump can everhaul the system.
Thank orange for Donald.

Obviously he'll change it on his 2nd term.

Why would he change it?

Put your little thinking cap on, Gordy.

What possible reason would he have to change it?

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by longweekend58 on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 3:57pm

Yadda wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 2:48pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 6:36pm:

"The election is absolutely being rigged ..." Donald Trump, 2016

That's just stupid. The elections wasnt rigged and never has been. The evidence for that is how both parties tend to alternate 8 year terms.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect AMERICAN democracy??
Post by longweekend58 on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 3:59pm

Panther wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 12:21pm:

..

Quote:

........Four years ago, Donald Trump declared that the U.S. Electoral College system of picking presidents "is a disaster for a democracy."

what drivel is that? THe majority has always ruled over the minority and always will. But 'ruling' doesnt mean oppressing. But if you want specific policies then you need to become the majority.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by longweekend58 on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 4:02pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 3:47pm:

Gordon wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 12:06pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 12:01pm:

Gordon wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:57am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:46am:

Gordon wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:42am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:08am:

Gordon wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 10:59am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 10:19am:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:10pm:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 6:36pm:

"The election is absolutely being rigged ..." Donald Trump, 2016

"I will leave the forum forever if Trump wins" - Greggy 2016

Yes, and nothing has changed.

"The election is absolutely being rigged ..." Donald Trump, 2016

He said being in the continuous tense so the action of the election 'being rigged ' may have just started and stopped.

;D

"The election is absolutely being rigged ..." Donald Trump, 2016

Cool. So nothing with past tense?

Hopefully President Trump can everhaul the system.
Thank orange for Donald.

Obviously he'll change it on his 2nd term.

Why would he change it?

Put your little thinking cap on, Gordy.

What possible reason would he have to change it?

Overhaul and electoral system???? in the USA???? they cant even overhaul a single simple law without massive lobbying. And while someone would be disadvantaged or potentially disadvantaged at some stage in the future - ie everyone - it wont change.

The electoral college system is not that bad as a rule although its purpose seems a little anachronistic.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Agnes on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 5:13pm

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 3:13pm:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 5:08pm:

the rednecks in here don't seem to get or care how reckless and stupid this flake is..that is the problem.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect AMERICAN democracy??
Post by Panther on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 5:53pm

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 3:59pm:

Panther wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 12:21pm:

..

Quote:

........Four years ago, Donald Trump declared that the U.S. Electoral College system of picking presidents "is a disaster for a democracy."

what drivel is that? THe majority has always ruled over the minority and always will. But 'ruling' doesnt mean oppressing. But if you want specific policies then you need to become the majority.

I suggest you read the entire US Constitution....in America it's the Law of the Land...people swear an oath when they take public office not to defend the Country, not to defend the government, not to defend a political Party or process, but first & foremost they swear to defend & protect the Constitution....When the US Military goes to war, they do so not to defend their Country, but by oath, to defend the Constitution....I suggest you especially focus on the first 10 Amendments of the US Constitution known as the Bill of Rights....These Amendments/Rights protect the people from an over reaching majority government, by instructing the government on what, even if the majority wishes otherwise, what the government must do, & what the government must not do....what the majority government can do, & what it's forbidden to do regarding the People.....Government's legitimacy & moral right to use state power is only justified & legal when consented to by the People they are hired to serve....... but, why don't you provide some concrete examples, with links, that supports your position that the majority government is permitted to run roughshod over the People without redress.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by matty on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 6:40pm

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 3:13pm:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 5:08pm:

More of the same? Funny that you couldn't actually dispute what I said. You can call him all the names you want but guess what? He was elected by the people, end of story. Don't cry just because you didn't get your way. I accepted the results in 2008 and 2012 and in 2007 when Howard lost the election. I didn't act like a little baby and have a whinge just because my side didn't win.

Sure, Trump isn't perfect, but I don't agree that he is all those things you mentioned. And don't act like Hillary is Miss Innocent.

And he is refreshing. The silent majority has had a gutful of politicians from both sides not listening to them and cowtowing to the politically correct left and nonsense issues like climate change.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by John Smith on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 6:42pm

matty wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 6:40pm:

I didn't act like a little baby and have a whinge just because my side didn't win.

you're so full of it ... you're still crying that abbott was ditched ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by matty on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 6:52pm

John Smith wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 6:42pm:

matty wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 6:40pm:

I didn't act like a little baby and have a whinge just because my side didn't win.

you're so full of it ... you're still crying that abbott was ditched ;D ;D ;D

You're such an idiot. That was because henwas ditched by his party not the people.

But again, as I said I am putting you on ignore until you show evidence that I am against democracy. And no, requoting the title of the thread doesn't suffice.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Sprintcyclist on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 7:48pm

Because they did not get what they wanted

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Culture Warrior on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:19pm

Its time wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 5:33pm:

____ wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 5:13pm:

Big win for the left .

He also stated the Middle East is a mess due to U.S. intervention, another point the left have been talking about for over a decade or more. So why did you two clowns, and the millions of other leftists, oppose him so strongly then?

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Culture Warrior on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:27pm

matty wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 12:28am:

Setanta wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 12:22am:

Matty has a point. When I watched the crap protests against Trump, I wept for the left. Sore losers, is this what we have become? It was pathetic.

At least someone can see it. Here is another lefty who can actually see it for what it is.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GLG9g7BcjKs

He makes excellent points. They're spot on. If the left doesn't reevaluate its approach they'll be completely gone in 1 to 2 decades.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:42pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:19pm:

So why did you two clowns, and the millions of other leftists, oppose him so strongly then?

You think it might have something to do with the allegations of raping two children?

Or, the admission that he sexually assaults women?

Or, the fact that he is facing several charges of fraud?

What do you find so appealing about an Islamophobic ~~man~~ pig accused of raping kids, assaulting women, ripping millions of dollars off thousands of people, and calling for Hillary Clinton to be shot?

I'm curious, Mistie.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Baronvonrort on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:47pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:42pm:

What do you find so appealing about an Islamophobic ~~man~~ pig

12 countries with Islam as the state religion have the death penalty for muslims who become atheists.

Why are you sticking up for a belief that has the death penalty for atheists little pecca are you a morally bankrupt hypocrite?

Why are you still here you said you would leave if Trump won the election.

Be a man and honour your bet it's time for you to piss off and don't come back.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:49pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:47pm:

Why are you sticking up for a belief that has the death penalty for atheists little pecca are you a morally bankrupt hypocrite?

I'm not.

What do you find so appealing about an Islamophobic ~~man~~ pig accused of raping kids, assaulting women, ripping millions of dollars off thousands of people, and calling for Hillary Clinton to be shot?

Actually, I've got a pretty good idea.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Baronvonrort on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:56pm

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greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:49pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:47pm:

Why are you sticking up for a belief that has the death penalty for atheists little pecca are you a morally bankrupt hypocrite?

I'm not.

What do you find so appealing about an Islamophobic....

You're sticking up for a belief that executes atheists in 12 countries by hurling the Islamophobic slur.

Why are you still here you said you would leave if Trump won the election.

[size=20]Be a man and honour your bet with Bias little pecca, it's time for you to piss off from this forum like you said you would.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Frank on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:59pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:42pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:19pm:

So why did you two clowns, and the millions of other leftists, oppose him so strongly then?

He's right and you are wrong.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Frank on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 9:00pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:49pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:47pm:

Why are you sticking up for a belief that has the death penalty for atheists little pecca are you a morally bankrupt hypocrite?

He's not Islamophobic. he is Islamoright.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 9:08pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:56pm:

[size=22][/size]
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:49pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:47pm:

Why are you sticking up for a belief that has the death penalty for atheists little pecca are you a morally bankrupt hypocrite?

I'm not.

What do you find so appealing about an Islamophobic....

You're sticking up for a belief

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 9:10pm

Frank wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:59pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:42pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:19pm:

So why did you two clowns, and the millions of other leftists, oppose him so strongly then?

He's right and you are wrong.

Ah.

I can certainly see why you would find an Islamophobic ~~man~~ pig accused of raping kids, assaulting women, ripping millions of dollars off thousands of people, and calling for Hillary Clinton to be shot so appealing.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Frank on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 9:44pm

Agnes wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 12:17pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 12:06pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:52am:

He says the election was rigged, and that the Electoral College system is undemocratic, yet he still accepts the position of President-Elect.

America has been cheated by a sly fraudster.

;D ;D ;D ;D
So what happened to your insistence on 'Hillary will win by a landslide", numpty?

Did you miss something??

You must be a special kind of idiot, like millions of others:

Trump had the Democratic Party, the Republican Party, the media, celebrities, Hollywood, foreign governments against him.

Yet he prevailed.

And you are stupid enough to carry on as if none of this has happened.

I just love how you numpties are completely deluded and unmoored. You actually though Hillary would win by a landslide.

So shut up, go away and do some introspection. You have been proved to be idiots. Examine yourselves.

(I know it's too much to ask as you are not reasonable, sane, self-reflecting people.)

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by John Smith on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 10:53pm

matty wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 6:52pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 6:42pm:

matty wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 6:40pm:

I didn't act like a little baby and have a whinge just because my side didn't win.

you're so full of it ... you're still crying that abbott was ditched ;D ;D ;D

so when the libs vote in caucus, it's not democratic? good of you to admit it.;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Karnal on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 10:54pm

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 5:08pm:

It's always orgasmic, Matty.

Are you back in Ryde, or still in Rhode Island?

Thoughts?

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Karnal on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:02pm

Frank wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 9:44pm:

Agnes wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 12:17pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 12:06pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:52am:

He says the election was rigged, and that the Electoral College system is undemocratic, yet he still accepts the position of President-Elect.

America has been cheated by a sly fraudster.

;D ;D ;D ;D
So what happened to your insistence on 'Hillary will win by a landslide", numpty?

Did you miss something??

The old boy's trying to be orgasmic, Matty. He's still learning though.

I always tell him - you need to empty your bottom before you put something nice in.

They taught you that in your Medical Science degree, didn't they?

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Culture Warrior on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 4:21am

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:42pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:19pm:

So why did you two clowns, and the millions of other leftists, oppose him so strongly then?

All these allegations appeared very late in the campaign. You, the two clowns above, and millions of other leftards, had already made up their minds long before.

I don't expect an honest answer from any of you.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 7:45am

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 4:21am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:42pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:19pm:

So why did you two clowns, and the millions of other leftists, oppose him so strongly then?

All these allegations appeared very late in the campaign.

Ah.

It seems that you people will always find an excuse for defending an Islamophobic ~~man~~ pig accused of raping kids, assaulting women, ripping millions of dollars off thousands of people, and calling for Hillary Clinton to be shot.

One has to wonder why, though.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Dnarever on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:01am

Frank wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:59pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:42pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:19pm:

So why did you two clowns, and the millions of other leftists, oppose him so strongly then?

He's right and you are wrong.

Yes agreed Gregory is right.

The right produced another candidate who is not fit to be respected.

Don't blame the Left for a serious moral failure from the right.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Dnarever on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:09am

I guess that in the USA today it is acceptable to put getting away with sexually assaulting young woman in your résumé.

Many of the tards on here were and are fully supporting it.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Baronvonrort on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:15am

Dnarever wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:09am:

I guess that in the USA today it is acceptable to put getting away with sexually assaulting young woman in your résumé.

Cite where Trump has been convicted for sexual assault

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Dnarever on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:19am

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 4:21am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:42pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:19pm:

So why did you two clowns, and the millions of other leftists, oppose him so strongly then?

All these allegations appeared very late in the campaign.

Not all of them and none came from his opposition.

For example the fact that he does not pay tax may have been provided with evidence a bit late but before the evidence was presented he had already confirmed it in the first debate, You can't blame anyone else for the words that came out of trumps mouth. He also said when asked about the long known problem with him refusing to pay his contractors after the work is done was to say that something in the order of if you want me to pay them you need to change the laws to make me. This was an admission that he deliberately refuses to pay the people he contracts to do work and in the end never pays them correctly.

Just like the expectation to get away with sexual assault straight out of his own mouth.

these allegations

They are not really allegations when he has confirmed that most of it is true and most of the stuff came out of his own mouth.

You seem to want to believe that all these things were manufactured and untrue, it's not. The man is a grub no matter how you look at it.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Baronvonrort on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:23am

Why do lefties leave out Trump saying They let you do it when it comes to pussy grabbing?

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Dnarever on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:25am

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:23am:

Why do lefties leave out Trump saying They let you do it when it comes to pussy grabbing?

Having the power to intimidate women who are sexually assaulted into silence does not make it ok.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Baronvonrort on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:27am

Dnarever wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:25am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:23am:

Why do lefties leave out Trump saying They let you do it when it comes to pussy grabbing?

Having the power to intimidate women who are sexually assaulted into silence does not make it ok.

So you dislike Bill Clinton?

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Dnarever on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:41am

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:27am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:25am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:23am:

Why do lefties leave out Trump saying They let you do it when it comes to pussy grabbing?

Having the power to intimidate women who are sexually assaulted into silence does not make it ok.

So you dislike Bill Clinton?

You don't think Monica knew what she was smoking ? Nobody ever said that it wasn't consensual ?

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Dnarever on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:43am

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:27am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:25am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:23am:

Why do lefties leave out Trump saying They let you do it when it comes to pussy grabbing?

Having the power to intimidate women who are sexually assaulted into silence does not make it ok.

So you dislike Bill Clinton?

When did Bill say that he routinely sexually assaults attractive women.

Why can't you own your own moral failures without trying to make excuses and blaming others.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 9:17am

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:15am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:09am:

I guess that in the USA today it is acceptable to put getting away with sexually assaulting young woman in your résumé.

Cite where Trump has been convicted for sexual assault

Nobody said he was convicted for sexual assault.

He has, however, admitted to sexually assaulting women.

For some strange reason, though, this doesn't bother you.

You're okay with sexual assault, as long as the perpetrators aren't convicted?

Strange.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Agnes on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 9:19am

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 9:17am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:15am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:09am:

I guess that in the USA today it is acceptable to put getting away with sexually assaulting young woman in your résumé.

Cite where Trump has been convicted for sexual assault

won't be charged? won't be long before he has to face his music....at the very least in the form of IMPEACHMENT.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 9:40am

Agnes wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 9:19am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 9:17am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:15am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:09am:

I guess that in the USA today it is acceptable to put getting away with sexually assaulting young woman in your résumé.

Cite where Trump has been convicted for sexual assault

won't be charged? won't be long before he has to face his music....at the very least in the form of IMPEACHMENT.

His life is about to become very complicated, and very stressful.

Will he last the distance, or will he give up and go back to his cushy lifestyle where he doesn't have to work and he can sexually assault women whenever he feels like it without the Secret Service breathing down his neck?

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Frank on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 11:00am

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 9:17am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:15am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:09am:

I guess that in the USA today it is acceptable to put getting away with sexually assaulting young woman in your résumé.

Cite where Trump has been convicted for sexual assault

He said "And when you’re a star, they let you do it."
It's not an assault if they let you.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Dnarever on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 11:11am

Frank wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 11:00am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 9:17am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:15am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:09am:

I guess that in the USA today it is acceptable to put getting away with sexually assaulting young woman in your résumé.

Cite where Trump has been convicted for sexual assault

He said "And when you’re a star, they let you do it."
It's not an assault if they let you.

It is very much still assault. there is no approval given. His claim is that he can get away with it. By his statement "letting him" all it really means is that his position of power means that no charges are typically made.

You can only assume that as president they will let him bend them over the desk in the oval office weather they say yes or no.

One of the perks of being President ?

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Dnarever on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 11:13am

Frank wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 11:00am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 9:17am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:15am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:09am:

I guess that in the USA today it is acceptable to put getting away with sexually assaulting young woman in your résumé.

Cite where Trump has been convicted for sexual assault

He said "And when you’re a star, they let you do it."
It's not an assault if they let you.

No Frank it is still assault but to you guys any convoluted excuse will do.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 11:16am

Frank wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 11:00am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 9:17am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:15am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:09am:

I guess that in the USA today it is acceptable to put getting away with sexually assaulting young woman in your résumé.

Cite where Trump has been convicted for sexual assault

He said "And when you’re a star, they let you do it."
It's not an assault if they let you.

Still defending a ~~man~~ pig who admits to sexually assaulting women, and who has been accused of raping children.

Charming.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Dnarever on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 11:16am

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:15am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:09am:

I guess that in the USA today it is acceptable to put getting away with sexually assaulting young woman in your résumé.

Cite where Trump has been convicted for sexual assault

Comprehension is seldom the friend of the conservative supporter, if you don't get away with it there would be a conviction.

Trump clearly stated that he routinely gets away with sexually assaulting women.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by NorthOfNorth on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 11:20am

Frank wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 11:00am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 9:17am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:15am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:09am:

I guess that in the USA today it is acceptable to put getting away with sexually assaulting young woman in your résumé.

Cite where Trump has been convicted for sexual assault

He said "And when you’re a star, they let you do it."
It's not an assault if they let you.

I guess some mercy killer could make the same claim if one ever took to you with a bat...

Something like "He wanted me to do this to him... Take a look... He had nothing to live for"

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Panther on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 11:49am

Frank wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 11:00am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 9:17am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:15am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:09am:

I guess that in the USA today it is acceptable to put getting away with sexually assaulting young woman in your résumé.

Cite where Trump has been convicted for sexual assault

He said "And when you’re a star, they let you do it."
It's not an assault if they let you.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by NorthOfNorth on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 11:51am

Panther wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 11:49am:

Frank wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 11:00am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 9:17am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:15am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:09am:

I guess that in the USA today it is acceptable to put getting away with sexually assaulting young woman in your résumé.

Cite where Trump has been convicted for sexual assault

He said "And when you’re a star, they let you do it."
It's not an assault if they let you.

I just spoke to my friend, & attorney, & he looked it over & said he was mistaken because he believed the media, but after revisiting the statements....that one in particular.....he was amazed how he could have misses that, but no...it isn't assault if it's consensual....if "they let you do it" .....the "it" being the act of grabbing them by the pussy. If they let you grab them by the pussy, be it awkward or gently, either way as long as "it" was consensual, it would not be considered sexual assault.

So boys....go out there & grab ya some pussy, just make sure she at least winks & shakes her head affirmatively before you do......it wouldn't hurt if that were video taped just to be on the safe side.....sometimes women fibbingly deny they approved of such a sensual massage......especially when there might be a pot of gold at the end of their imaginary rainbow. ;)

Fibbingly!!??

sometimes women fibbingly deny they approved of such a sensual massage - And you know this because...

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 11:53am

Panther wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 11:49am:

Frank wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 11:00am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 9:17am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:15am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:09am:

I guess that in the USA today it is acceptable to put getting away with sexually assaulting young woman in your résumé.

Cite where Trump has been convicted for sexual assault

He said "And when you’re a star, they let you do it."
It's not an assault if they let you.

I just spoke to my friend, & attorney, & he looked it over & said he was mistaken because he believed the media, but after revisiting the statements....that one in particular.....he was amazed how he could have misses that, but no...it isn't assault if it's consensual....if "they let you do it" .....the "it" being the act of grabbing them by the pussy. If they let you grab them by the pussy, be it awkward or gently, either way as long as "it" was consensual, it would not be considered sexual assault. It's like a very sensual kiss, if she leans in to meet you half way....it's consensual.

So boys....go out there & grab ya some pussy, just make sure she at least winks & shakes her head affirmatively before you do......it wouldn't hurt if that were video taped just to be on the safe side.....sometimes women fibbingly deny they approved of such a sensual massage......especially when there might be a pot of gold at the end of their imaginary rainbow. ;)

So many people willing to defend rape.

Astonishing.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Panther on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 11:57am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 11:51am:

Panther wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 11:49am:

Frank wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 11:00am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 9:17am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:15am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:09am:

I guess that in the USA today it is acceptable to put getting away with sexually assaulting young woman in your résumé.

Cite where Trump has been convicted for sexual assault

He said "And when you’re a star, they let you do it."
It's not an assault if they let you.

Fibbingly!!??

sometimes women fibbingly deny they approved of such a sensual massage - And you know this because...

Are you begging me to engage in a Trumpesque "locker room" chat with you?? :o :-? :-/ :-[ :) ;D

Pssssst......I know fibbingly isn't a real word

http://www.33sm.ml/smileys/firefart.gif

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by NorthOfNorth on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 12:01pm

Panther wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 11:57am:

Are you begging me to engage in a Trumpesque "locker room" chat with you?? :o :-? :-/ :-[ :) ;D

No, I'm asking how you know this about women.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect AMERICAN democracy??
Post by longweekend58 on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 12:12pm

Panther wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 5:53pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 3:59pm:

Panther wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 12:21pm:

..

Quote:

........Four years ago, Donald Trump declared that the U.S. Electoral College system of picking presidents "is a disaster for a democracy."

what drivel is that? THe majority has always ruled over the minority and always will. But 'ruling' doesnt mean oppressing. But if you want specific policies then you need to become the majority.

I doubt you could understand the answers since you confuse majority government with MAJORITY OF PEOPLE.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by NorthOfNorth on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 12:17pm

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by longweekend58 on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 12:20pm

matty wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 6:40pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 3:13pm:

matty wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 5:08pm:

Are you just trying to be ignorant? Trump lied endlessly and repeatedly. He made promises for things he cannot do because they are illegal, unconstitutional, grossly too expensive or just plain foolish. But you swallowed it.

Do you deny he is racist?
Do you deny he is sexist?
Do you deny he is abusive?
Do you deny he has sexually assaulted women?
Do you deny that he has zero experience in public administration?

You dont because you cant. and yet you think this is a suitable man for President? You too have put your politics above all else - including you intelligence.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by longweekend58 on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 12:26pm

Frank wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 11:00am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 9:17am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:15am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:09am:

I guess that in the USA today it is acceptable to put getting away with sexually assaulting young woman in your résumé.

Cite where Trump has been convicted for sexual assault

He said "And when you’re a star, they let you do it."
It's not an assault if they let you.

OMG you actually gave someone with star power the right to sexual assault.

Support Trump if you wish, but dont debase yourself so badly that you are actually going to give support to sexual assault.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Panther on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 12:26pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 12:01pm:

Panther wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 11:57am:

Are you begging me to engage in a Trumpesque "locker room" chat with you?? :o :-? :-/ :-[ :) ;D

No, I'm asking how you know this about women.

So you want an honest, non-satirical (for a change), non-sarcastic (for an even bigger change) answer.....I'm an avid reader, & over the last 50+ years I've read about similar things before at least once....probably more. Tell me your completely oblivious to ever hearing, or seeing anything of that nature, even on TV. :)

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by longweekend58 on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 12:29pm

Panther wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 11:49am:

Frank wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 11:00am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 9:17am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:15am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:09am:

I guess that in the USA today it is acceptable to put getting away with sexually assaulting young woman in your résumé.

Cite where Trump has been convicted for sexual assault

He said "And when you’re a star, they let you do it."
It's not an assault if they let you.

He is not an attorney. No actual legally-trained person would make such a ludicrously simple-to-debunk statement.

'they let you do it' is not an admission consent. And admission of consent is when they say 'I let him do it'. How many convicted rapists claim 'they let me do it'.

idiot.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Panther on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 12:38pm

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 12:29pm:

Panther wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 11:49am:

Frank wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 11:00am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 9:17am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:15am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:09am:

I guess that in the USA today it is acceptable to put getting away with sexually assaulting young woman in your résumé.

Cite where Trump has been convicted for sexual assault

He said "And when you’re a star, they let you do it."
It's not an assault if they let you.

Well stupido, if you have ever been in a courtroom, & a witness/defendant ever said "they let me do it", I would think either it would be used against them later if the claimant said she/he never said any such thing......otherwise the statement would have to be corroborated under oath to prove validity......no? ;)

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by NorthOfNorth on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 12:42pm

Panther wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 12:26pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 12:01pm:

Panther wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 11:57am:

Are you begging me to engage in a Trumpesque "locker room" chat with you?? :o :-? :-/ :-[ :) ;D

No, I'm asking how you know this about women.

No, I was being ironic.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Panther on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 12:50pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 12:42pm:

Panther wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 12:26pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 12:01pm:

Panther wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 11:57am:

Are you begging me to engage in a Trumpesque "locker room" chat with you?? :o :-? :-/ :-[ :) ;D

No, I'm asking how you know this about women.

No, I was being ironic.

I guess I'm not the only one that take part in satire that sometimes cuts to close to home

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Culture Warrior on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 7:12pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 7:45am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 4:21am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:42pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:19pm:

So why did you two clowns, and the millions of other leftists, oppose him so strongly then?

All these allegations appeared very late in the campaign.

So what was the excuse before these allegations, clown? That's the question I asked.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 7:19pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 7:12pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 7:45am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 4:21am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:42pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:19pm:

So why did you two clowns, and the millions of other leftists, oppose him so strongly then?

All these allegations appeared very late in the campaign.

So what was the excuse before these allegations, clown? That's the question I asked.

These allegations have been around for years, Mistie.

Do try to keep up.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Sprintcyclist on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 7:19pm

http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/a992f09ff9abc33261210f79429d9b29

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 7:21pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 7:19pm:

http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/a992f09ff9abc33261210f79429d9b29

Why did you condone Trump calling for his supporters to shoot Clinton, Sprint?

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Culture Warrior on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 7:27pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:19am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 4:21am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:42pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:19pm:

So why did you two clowns, and the millions of other leftists, oppose him so strongly then?

All these allegations appeared very late in the campaign.

Many are still allegations and the other 'true' ones are irrelevant in the long term. Trump's attack on cultural leftism is just the beginning. There's elections in Europe in the next few years and you'll see similar results. The fight back against left-wing nihilism has now become mainstream. The right now has the foot on the left's throat and they won't release; instead, they will push down, hard. The right has learnt, painfully, that you do not concede to the left. You give the left an arm and they demand a leg. What's coming in the next few decades is, when the left demand an arm, the right will cut the left's arm off. This is guaranteed because the left are extremely stubborn and will, in their stubbornness, become more extreme, thus justifying the extreme measures to put them down. Eastern Europe has stemmed the tide of left-wing nihilism early, thus they'll be free from what's coming. But the West will see far more violent results.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Culture Warrior on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 7:27pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 7:19pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 7:12pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 7:45am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 4:21am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:42pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:19pm:

So why did you two clowns, and the millions of other leftists, oppose him so strongly then?

All these allegations appeared very late in the campaign.

So what was the excuse before these allegations, clown? That's the question I asked.

These allegations have been around for years, Mistie.

Do try to keep up.

No they haven't.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 7:29pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 7:27pm:

Eastern Europe has stemmed the tide of left-wing nihilism early, thus they'll be free from what's coming. But the West will see far more violent results.

Which is why I'm moving to Slovenia (okay, it's central/eastern).

Queen Melania will protect me in my retirement years.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Sprintcyclist on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:04pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 7:27pm:

Many are still allegations and the other 'true' ones are irrelevant in the long term. Trump's attack on cultural leftism is just the beginning. There's elections in Europe in the next few years and you'll see similar results. The fight back against left-wing nihilism has now become mainstream. The right now has the foot on the left's throat and they won't release; instead, they will push down, hard. The right has learnt, painfully, that you do not concede to the left. You give the left an arm and they demand a leg. What's coming in the next few decades is, when the left demand an arm, the right will cut the left's arm off. This is guaranteed because the left are extremely stubborn and will, in their stubbornness, become more extreme, thus justifying the extreme measures to put them down. Eastern Europe has stemmed the tide of left-wing nihilism early, thus they'll be free from what's coming. But the West will see far more violent results.

I agree with only what I have highlighted.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:06pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 7:27pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 7:19pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 7:12pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 7:45am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 4:21am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:42pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:19pm:

So why did you two clowns, and the millions of other leftists, oppose him so strongly then?

All these allegations appeared very late in the campaign.

So what was the excuse before these allegations, clown? That's the question I asked.

These allegations have been around for years, Mistie.

Do try to keep up.

No they haven't.

Yes, they have.

Many years.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Gordon on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:06pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 7:29pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 7:27pm:

Eastern Europe has stemmed the tide of left-wing nihilism early, thus they'll be free from what's coming. But the West will see far more violent results.

Which is why I'm moving to Slovenia (okay, it's central/eastern).

Queen Melania will protect me in my retirement years.

No muzlums

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:10pm

Gordon wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:06pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 7:29pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 7:27pm:

Eastern Europe has stemmed the tide of left-wing nihilism early, thus they'll be free from what's coming. But the West will see far more violent results.

Which is why I'm moving to Slovenia (okay, it's central/eastern).

Queen Melania will protect me in my retirement years.

No muzlums

No idea.

They have good wine, women, beer, location, and food.

Have you been?

I can't think of a better place to retire.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by John Smith on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:36pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 7:27pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 7:19pm:

These allegations have been around for years, Mistie.

Do try to keep up.

No they haven't.

some were

-Harth filed a lawsuit in 1997 in which she accused Trump of non-consensual groping of her body

-The 1993 book Lost Tycoon: The Many Lives of Donald Trump, by Harry Hurt III, described the alleged attack as a "violent assault" during which Donald attacked Ivana sexually.[6] According to the book, Ivana later confided to some of her friends that Donald had raped her

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Dnarever on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:38pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 7:27pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:19am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 4:21am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:42pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:19pm:

So why did you two clowns, and the millions of other leftists, oppose him so strongly then?

All these allegations appeared very late in the campaign.

Many are still allegations and the other 'true' ones are irrelevant in the long term.

What is irrelevant

His sexual abuse of women ?

Not paying any tax ?

Ripping off his contractors ?

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by aquascoot on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:45pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:38pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 7:27pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:19am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 4:21am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:42pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:19pm:

So why did you two clowns, and the millions of other leftists, oppose him so strongly then?

All these allegations appeared very late in the campaign.

Many are still allegations and the other 'true' ones are irrelevant in the long term.

What is irrelevant

His sexual abuse of women ?

Not paying any tax ?

Ripping off his contractors ?

to the 100 million who voted for him, they are all irrelevant.
here on planet earth which i call "reality", they are irrelevant.
for the next 4 years they are irrelevant.

they are as irrelevant as the weirdos who turned up to "occupy wll st" or are protesting now.

Rule 1 of self development. Never complain .
No good comes of it.
It is going to alienate all those voters who voted for Trump.
The left should read the ground breaking book.
"the 7 habits of highly effective people"

complaining, being butt hurt, being a cry baby and having a sook are not amongst those habits

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:46pm

aquascoot wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:45pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:38pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 7:27pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:19am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 4:21am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:42pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:19pm:

So why did you two clowns, and the millions of other leftists, oppose him so strongly then?

All these allegations appeared very late in the campaign.

Many are still allegations and the other 'true' ones are irrelevant in the long term.

What is irrelevant

His sexual abuse of women ?

Not paying any tax ?

Ripping off his contractors ?

to the 100 million who voted for him,

Why must you lie?

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Dnarever on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 9:11pm

aquascoot wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:45pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:38pm:

Many are still allegations and the other 'true' ones are irrelevant in the long term.

What is irrelevant

His sexual abuse of women ?

Not paying any tax ?

Ripping off his contractors ?

So you support the sexual abuse of woman, not paying any tax and refusing to pay for work which has been completed, sending many contractors to the wall and forcing others to take legal action and end up negotiating a new deal taking a loss for the work.

In other words this low life Orange grub is President elect.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Karnal on Nov 14^th, 2016 at 3:40am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:04pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 7:27pm:

Many are still allegations and the other 'true' ones are irrelevant in the long term. Trump's attack on cultural leftism is just the beginning. There's elections in Europe in the next few years and you'll see similar results. The fight back against left-wing nihilism has now become mainstream. The right now has the foot on the left's throat and they won't release; instead, they will push down, hard. The right has learnt, painfully, that you do not concede to the left. You give the left an arm and they demand a leg. What's coming in the next few decades is, when the left demand an arm, the right will cut the left's arm off. This is guaranteed because the left are extremely stubborn and will, in their stubbornness, become more extreme, thus justifying the extreme measures to put them down. Eastern Europe has stemmed the tide of left-wing nihilism early, thus they'll be free from what's coming. But the West will see far more violent results.

I agree with only what I have highlighted.

And I agree with everything else. As O'Brien said in 1984, the future is a jackboot stomping on a human face.

Orwell meant this vision to be a dystopia. Mistie sees it as human evolution.

"Progressives".

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Karnal on Nov 14^th, 2016 at 3:44am

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:10pm:

Gordon wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:06pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 7:29pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 7:27pm:

Eastern Europe has stemmed the tide of left-wing nihilism early, thus they'll be free from what's coming. But the West will see far more violent results.

Which is why I'm moving to Slovenia (okay, it's central/eastern).

Queen Melania will protect me in my retirement years.

No muzlums

No idea.

They have good wine, women, beer, location, and food.

Have you been?

I can't think of a better place to retire.

Alas, I don't think my British passport will get me in for much longer.

The old boy has a Danish one. Maybe I could marry him.

Wonderful wonderful Copenhagen, no?

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Dnarever on Nov 14^th, 2016 at 6:41pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 8:04pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 7:27pm:

Many are still allegations and the other 'true' ones are irrelevant in the long term. Trump's attack on cultural leftism is just the beginning. There's elections in Europe in the next few years and you'll see similar results. The fight back against left-wing nihilism has now become mainstream. The right now has the foot on the left's throat and they won't release; instead, they will push down, hard. The right has learnt, painfully, that you do not concede to the left. You give the left an arm and they demand a leg. What's coming in the next few decades is, when the left demand an arm, the right will cut the left's arm off. This is guaranteed because the left are extremely stubborn and will, in their stubbornness, become more extreme, thus justifying the extreme measures to put them down. Eastern Europe has stemmed the tide of left-wing nihilism early, thus they'll be free from what's coming. But the West will see far more violent results.

I agree with only what I have highlighted.

the left are extremely stubborn and will, in their stubbornness, become more extreme,

Yet the fact is that it is the right going more and more extreme while the left are solidly to the right of centre in most relevant cases.

If you were hitting a nail on the head your thumb would be bruised bleeding and very flat, you don't really need a thumb nail anyway.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Culture Warrior on Nov 14^th, 2016 at 7:50pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 14^th, 2016 at 6:41pm:

Yet the fact is that it is the right going more and more extreme while the left are solidly to the right of centre in most relevant cases.

Rubbish. The right has largely lost the culture war. Nearly every revolutionary aim of the radicals of the 1960s has been implemented.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Karnal on Nov 14^th, 2016 at 10:21pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 14^th, 2016 at 7:50pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 14^th, 2016 at 6:41pm:

Yet the fact is that it is the right going more and more extreme while the left are solidly to the right of centre in most relevant cases.

Rubbish. The right has largely lost the culture war. Nearly every revolutionary aim of the radicals of the 1960s has been implemented.

Good point, that's true.

And we're about to see many of those aims unraveled. In the US, it's already happening. LBJ's Great Society is no more.

And that's what gets people stirred about about making Amerika great again.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Frank on Nov 21^st, 2016 at 5:05pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 11:13am:

Frank wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 11:00am:

He said "And when you’re a star, they let you do it."
It's not an assault if they let you.

No Frank it is still assault but to you guys any convoluted excuse will do.

:o :o

Convoluted?? How is that convoluted?

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Dnarever on Nov 21^st, 2016 at 7:28pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 14^th, 2016 at 7:50pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 14^th, 2016 at 6:41pm:

Yet the fact is that it is the right going more and more extreme while the left are solidly to the right of centre in most relevant cases.

Rubbish. The right has largely lost the culture war. Nearly every revolutionary aim of the radicals of the 1960s has been implemented.

The right tried to compete on anything related to culture ?

No your pulling my leg.

Nearly every revolutionary aim of the radicals of the 1960s has been implemented.

Yes everyone walks around in tie died shirts with flowers in their hair singing about peace.

Fact is that we have never had a more right wing corporate multinational controlled world. Hate and blame is the language that wins elections.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Frank on Nov 21^st, 2016 at 10:42pm

Melanias purse wrote on Nov 14^th, 2016 at 10:21pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 14^th, 2016 at 7:50pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 14^th, 2016 at 6:41pm:

Yet the fact is that it is the right going more and more extreme while the left are solidly to the right of centre in most relevant cases.

Rubbish. The right has largely lost the culture war. Nearly every revolutionary aim of the radicals of the 1960s has been implemented.

Good point, that's true.

And we're about to see many of those aims unraveled. In the US, it's already happening. LBJ's Great Society is no more.

O'bama has been president for the last 8 years. Why has he unravelled it? Or did Dubya unravel it? Bill & Hill? Who?

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Culture Warrior on Nov 22^nd, 2016 at 9:31am

Dnarever wrote on Nov 21^st, 2016 at 7:28pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 14^th, 2016 at 7:50pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 14^th, 2016 at 6:41pm:

Yet the fact is that it is the right going more and more extreme while the left are solidly to the right of centre in most relevant cases.

Rubbish. The right has largely lost the culture war. Nearly every revolutionary aim of the radicals of the 1960s has been implemented.

You don't know what you're talking about. It's a cultural war more than an economic one.
Tasks of the 1960s radicals:
European civilisation/culture has nothing but a racist, sexist history, therefore offers nothing - completed.
Minority ethnicities/races more important than the host ethnicity - completed.
Destruction of the traditional family - completed.
Destruction of gender roles/norms - completed.
Feeling over reason - completed.
Destruction of Christianity - completed.

You lefties don't see what's going on with the rise of the alternative right. You don't even see what it is they're complaining about. If you'd bother to do some honest investigation, you'd see that the alternative right has some sympathies for the economic models found on the left. But you won't. You lefties are too stubborn, and this is why you're going to lose the culture war over the next few decades. If you don't understand your opponent, how do you expect to beat him?

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Bojack Horseman on Nov 22^nd, 2016 at 9:37am

Wait for him to essentially die out.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by NorthOfNorth on Nov 22^nd, 2016 at 9:43am

Frank wrote on Nov 21^st, 2016 at 10:42pm:

O'bama has been president for the last 8 years. Why has he unravelled it? Or did Dubya unravel it? Bill & Hill? Who?

It began with Ronald Reagan...

As Alistair Cooke put it in 1982 (in one of his famous 'Letter from America' broadcasts).. "Mr Reagan has hammered away at the theme that he was going to reverse 50 years of American history. He was going to cancel the Roosevelt revolution, the creation of a strong central government with direct responsibility for the fundamental needs – shelter, food, housing – of all its citizens."

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Culture Warrior on Nov 22^nd, 2016 at 9:43am

It's not just fogies that are of the alt-right. Younger people are joining up, and more people are 'coming out of the closet' because it's now becoming acceptable to have non-leftist views.
Your tactic will not work.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Frank on Nov 24^th, 2016 at 5:50pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2016 at 9:31am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 21^st, 2016 at 7:28pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 14^th, 2016 at 7:50pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 14^th, 2016 at 6:41pm:

Yet the fact is that it is the right going more and more extreme while the left are solidly to the right of centre in most relevant cases.

Rubbish. The right has largely lost the culture war. Nearly every revolutionary aim of the radicals of the 1960s has been implemented.

You don't know what you're talking about. It's a cultural war more than an economic one.
Tasks of the 1960s radicals:
European civilisation/culture has nothing but a racist, sexist history, therefore offers nothing - completed. Not quite
Minority ethnicities/races more important than the host ethnicity - completed. Almost but not quite. Turning.
Destruction of the traditional family - completed.
Destruction of gender roles/norms - completed. No, that's a fantasy.
Feeling over reason - completed.Yes, but turning
Destruction of Christianity - completed. Massively diminished but not detroyed.

You lefties don't see what's going on with the rise of the alternative right. You don't even see what it is they're complaining about. If you'd bother to do some honest investigation, you'd see that the alternative right has some sympathies for the economic models found on the left. But you won't. You lefties are too stubborn, and this is why you're going to lose the culture war over the next few decades. If you don't understand your opponent, how do you expect to beat him?

Up to the 1950s - thesis
1960-2000s - antithesis
Now - synthesis.

Trump is the triumph of the dialectic.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Frank on Nov 24^th, 2016 at 5:51pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2016 at 9:43am:

Frank wrote on Nov 21^st, 2016 at 10:42pm:

O'bama has been president for the last 8 years. Why has he unravelled it? Or did Dubya unravel it? Bill & Hill? Who?

And what did Bill and Dubya (who voted Hill) and O'Bama do about it??

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Frank on Nov 25^th, 2016 at 8:54pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2016 at 9:43am:

Frank wrote on Nov 21^st, 2016 at 10:42pm:

O'bama has been president for the last 8 years. Why has he unravelled it? Or did Dubya unravel it? Bill & Hill? Who?

It began with Ronald Reagan...

As Alistair Cooke put it in 1982 ...

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

You are your own parody, pal.

You are presenting a Letter from America in 1982 as a justification and approval of your psychosis over Trump in 2016.

These are the sweetest aspects of the Trump win - seeing you and people like you - always suspect - finally going completely mad.

Priceless.

Title: Re: Why won't the left respect democracy??
Post by Karnal on Nov 25^th, 2016 at 10:29pm

Guess who's joined the cultural Marxist bandwagon now, Mistie.

Yawn.