https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S94ohyErSw

Yeah  ;D

I thought the version with four old  white men was the most appropriate.

miketrees wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:11am:

I thought the version with four old  white men was the most appropriate.

Is there one with four old white women breaking the glass ceiling?

if we go back through time, then we see how unatural feminism is.

all thru recorded history women were the ones who handled the "beauty" and men handled the "behaviours".

So hot women had inherent value and brave and courageous men had inherent value.

the alliance of the feminazis (who tend to be the non-hot women) with the "soft and delicate and "weak' beta males (who resent the alpha males getting all the hot women)   was only possible in modern society because we became SO SUCCESSFUL that evolutionary pressure stopped being applied.

But people, at their core, know that evolutionary pressure is good for them and for society.

Whilst you can "survive ' in modern society and pump out a few kids even if you are very very mediocre, most people want to thrive more then survive.

Thriving not just surviving.

To go "up' in the world, it has become and is becoming neccessary to apply this evolutionary pressure (this pressure for growth) to ourselves.

This is the whole basis for self improvement.

If you just want to "cope"...go do that...it wont make you happy.

If you want to thrive, then as a woman, you must handle your nutrition, exercise routine and emotional state and as a man you must handle your masculinity (you must learn not to be a whiney little complaining , sorry for yourself , punk a*ss chode).

the interesting thing is women are the source of evolutionary pressure for the man who wants to learn these masculine behaviours.
Women simply dont reward weak, supplicating, beta male, sooky, complaining, nervous and negative men.

They say  "stay as a man , i will not encourage weak behaviour"  Women , are the friend of the man on a path to growth. The feminists and the beaten down beta males have gone down an evolutionary dead end

Gnads wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:14am:

miketrees wrote on Nov 11th, 2016 at 7:11am: I thought the version with four old  white men was the most appropriate. Is there one with four old white women breaking the glass ceiling?

well the Spice Girls keep coming back... :)

aquascoot wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:41am:

if we go back through time, then we see how unatural feminism is. all thru recorded history women were the ones who handled the "beauty" and men handled the "behaviours". So hot women had inherent value and brave and courageous men had inherent value. the alliance of the feminazis (who tend to be the non-hot women) with the "soft and delicate and "weak' beta males (who resent the alpha males getting all the hot women)   was only possible in modern society because we became SO SUCCESSFUL that evolutionary pressure stopped being applied. But people, at their core, know that evolutionary pressure is good for them and for society. Whilst you can "survive ' in modern society and pump out a few kids even if you are very very mediocre, most people want to thrive more then survive. Thriving not just surviving. To go "up' in the world, it has become and is becoming neccessary to apply this evolutionary pressure (this pressure for growth) to ourselves. This is the whole basis for self improvement. If you just want to "cope"...go do that...it wont make you happy. If you want to thrive, then as a woman, you must handle your nutrition, exercise routine and emotional state and as a man you must handle your masculinity (you must learn not to be a whiney little complaining , sorry for yourself , punk a*ss chode). the interesting thing is women are the source of evolutionary pressure for the man who wants to learn these masculine behaviours. Women simply dont reward weak, supplicating, beta male, sooky, complaining, nervous and negative men. They say  "stay as a man , i will not encourage weak behaviour"  Women , are the friend of the man on a path to growth. The feminists and the beaten down beta males have gone down an evolutionary dead end

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/f1/f1d3323bfa0cb640e4cbd38ab9a85c21ffa52a1f08ecd623958c91faa8ba5b1f.jpg

mothra wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 8:39am:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 11th, 2016 at 7:41am: if we go back through time, then we see how unatural feminism is. all thru recorded history women were the ones who handled the "beauty" and men handled the "behaviours". So hot women had inherent value and brave and courageous men had inherent value. the alliance of the feminazis (who tend to be the non-hot women) with the "soft and delicate and "weak' beta males (who resent the alpha males getting all the hot women)   was only possible in modern society because we became SO SUCCESSFUL that evolutionary pressure stopped being applied. But people, at their core, know that evolutionary pressure is good for them and for society. Whilst you can "survive ' in modern society and pump out a few kids even if you are very very mediocre, most people want to thrive more then survive. Thriving not just surviving. To go "up' in the world, it has become and is becoming neccessary to apply this evolutionary pressure (this pressure for growth) to ourselves. This is the whole basis for self improvement. If you just want to "cope"...go do that...it wont make you happy. If you want to thrive, then as a woman, you must handle your nutrition, exercise routine and emotional state and as a man you must handle your masculinity (you must learn not to be a whiney little complaining , sorry for yourself , punk a*ss chode). the interesting thing is women are the source of evolutionary pressure for the man who wants to learn these masculine behaviours. Women simply dont reward weak, supplicating, beta male, sooky, complaining, nervous and negative men. They say  "stay as a man , i will not encourage weak behaviour"  Women , are the friend of the man on a path to growth. The feminists and the beaten down beta males have gone down an evolutionary dead end http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/f1/f1d3323bfa0cb640e4cbd38ab9a85c21ffa52a1f08ecd623958c91faa8ba5b1f.jpg

we rarely see eye to eye mothra.. but spot on.. ;D ;D ;D

I dont even pretend to understand aqua..he is like Mr Light in a world of his own....I get a headache just looking that their posts without reading them..

Cool song.  My firstborn is nuts for rolling stones so I'm having a rediscovery. I'd have posted Mothers little helper ; )

Does anyone agree that 'modern feminism' and equality have become somewhat detached?

Yes, it's not about the role & rights of women anymore.

Everything is a feminist issue now, from climate change to defending a criminal candidate for the White House.

cods wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 8:49am:

mothra wrote on Nov 11th, 2016 at 8:39am: aquascoot wrote on Nov 11th, 2016 at 7:41am: if we go back through time, then we see how unatural feminism is. all thru recorded history women were the ones who handled the "beauty" and men handled the "behaviours". So hot women had inherent value and brave and courageous men had inherent value. the alliance of the feminazis (who tend to be the non-hot women) with the "soft and delicate and "weak' beta males (who resent the alpha males getting all the hot women)   was only possible in modern society because we became SO SUCCESSFUL that evolutionary pressure stopped being applied. But people, at their core, know that evolutionary pressure is good for them and for society. Whilst you can "survive ' in modern society and pump out a few kids even if you are very very mediocre, most people want to thrive more then survive. Thriving not just surviving. To go "up' in the world, it has become and is becoming neccessary to apply this evolutionary pressure (this pressure for growth) to ourselves. This is the whole basis for self improvement. If you just want to "cope"...go do that...it wont make you happy. If you want to thrive, then as a woman, you must handle your nutrition, exercise routine and emotional state and as a man you must handle your masculinity (you must learn not to be a whiney little complaining , sorry for yourself , punk a*ss chode). the interesting thing is women are the source of evolutionary pressure for the man who wants to learn these masculine behaviours. Women simply dont reward weak, supplicating, beta male, sooky, complaining, nervous and negative men. They say  "stay as a man , i will not encourage weak behaviour"  Women , are the friend of the man on a path to growth. The feminists and the beaten down beta males have gone down an evolutionary dead end http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/f1/f1d3323bfa0cb640e4cbd38ab9a85c21ffa52a1f08ecd623958c91faa8ba5b1f.jpg we rarely see eye to eye mothra.. but spot on.. ;D ;D ;D I dont even pretend to understand aqua..he is like Mr Light in a world of his own....I get a headache just looking that their posts without reading them..

Glad we can agree Cods ...  :)

Feminazies have ruined the world.

Why cant they just get back in the kitchen where they belong?
Or behave themselves and simply pander to the needs and wants of their betters...MEN

Whats all this crap about taking mens jobs from then.
They cant lift as much, be as strong, work out a map or change a tyre.

And wonen in politics is just plain stoopid
Everyone knows that they must be guided by men because they cant be trusted.
That is why God gave us men the role of looking after their moral character.

Womens role is really simple.
Satisfy MEN
Do what MEN WANT
Look after mens needs and wants.
Have babies and
Look good for MEN

WHY DO YOU THINK THEY ARE WOMEN, ITS FOR MEN

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 9:46am:

Yes, it's not about the role & rights of women anymore. Everything is a feminist issue now, from climate change to defending a criminal candidate for the White House.

why do you say that boges???.. I think a lot of women realise femnism failed they made things far worse.. like everything that starts off with an ideal.. it gets taken over by the POWER hungry....women started expecting so much what they forgot or wasnt told was it would come at a cost...

because everything comes at a cost...

first of all women rubbished men... not nice  so what happened  men started rubbishing women.. and worse ignoring them or making fun of them....

like everything really had it been handled in a slow nice fashion like getting more women into politics to start with.. but no they came out guns blazing and demanding.. oh dear...

we lost the plot and divided the nation and its still divided...and will be for a long time I am thinking.....

Feminists wanted to end sexism by being sexist

miketrees wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 5:37pm:

Feminists wanted to end sexism by being sexist

That is rampant among many and does nothing to advance the 'equality' they supposedly fight for.

Body Odor knows everything about feminism, everything!



Yeah, right.

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 5:43pm:

Body Odor knows everything about feminism, everything! Yeah, right.

Now where did I say that?

Nice to see you being your usual 'jovial' self   ::)

You know nothing about food, I suppose.

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 5:58pm:

You know nothing about food, I suppose.

You should join the feminazis you certainly have the flouncing and bitchiness down pat.

And you have nothing feminine down pat!


Poor Pat!

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 6:06pm:

And you have nothing feminine down pat! Poor Pat!

I am glad you think so because I am not into queens.

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 6:12pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 11th, 2016 at 6:06pm: And you have nothing feminine down pat! Poor Pat! I am glad you think so because I am not into queens.

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Black Orchid wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 6:05pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 11th, 2016 at 5:58pm: You know nothing about food, I suppose. You should join the feminazis you certainly have the flouncing and bitchiness down pat.

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Black Orchid wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 5:41pm:

miketrees wrote on Nov 11th, 2016 at 5:37pm: Feminists wanted to end sexism by being sexist That is rampant among many and does nothing to advance the 'equality' they supposedly fight for.

let's have some detail then, who are the "many"?

miketrees wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 5:37pm:

Feminists wanted to end sexism by being sexist

  agree with that Mike..

agree with that Mike..



I am just cranky because I was told by the WA Ag Department (senior manager anyway)that there was no way I would ever get promotion because they have been told they could only promote women.

That was never equality that was sexism.

That was the Dowding labor government in WA.

Mind you it turned out to be the best thing that could ever have happened

miketrees wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:00pm:

agree with that Mike.. I am just cranky because I was told by the WA Ag Department (senior manager anyway)that there was no way I would ever get promotion because they have been told they could only promote women. That was never equality that was sexism. That was the Dowding labor government in WA. Mind you it turned out to be the best thing that could ever have happened

wow that is pretty regressive Mike I have to say- but glad it worked out for you.

wow that is pretty regressive Mike I have to say- but glad it worked out for you.


It was a disgrace particularly when you see the numb skull women that took over parts of the dept.

Once they got in and created their networks they were ruthless , anti male and totally useless.

There were a few good women in the department, not in the network tho so they also were left behind.

I left and started a great business.

miketrees wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:10pm:

wow that is pretty regressive Mike I have to say- but glad it worked out for you. It was a disgrace particularly when you see the numb skull women that took over parts of the dept. Once they got in and created their networks they were ruthless , anti male and totally useless. There were a few good women in the department, not in the network tho so they also were left behind. I left and started a great business.

   women in  their cruel little circle jerks can be just plain nasty. they gang up and isolate their victims.. you have to develop a thick skin, but once you do not many can get to you after that.. glad to hear you got on with it and forgot the horrible crones..

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 5:43pm:

Body Odor knows everything about feminism, everything! Yeah, right.

m onk I seem to remember you getting very sassy when people made fun of you....and here you are being mean.. WHY?   what point are you proving that you are a nasty cranky old man..

I though BO made a lot of sense it o=how I see them anyway...

c alling some names isnt nice monk.....dont we have enough of that?????

and before you start jumping up and down I havent seen BO sling off at yourself....

I stick up for you monk when others put you down   so I will do the same when its in reverse....

No probs codsy.

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 8:49pm:

No probs codsy.

good does that mean you will stop it??.. I do hope so it spoils you.

cods wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 9:32pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 11th, 2016 at 8:49pm: No probs codsy. good does that mean you will stop it??.. I do hope so it spoils you.

;D ;D

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 5:55pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 11th, 2016 at 5:43pm: Body Odor knows everything about feminism, everything! Yeah, right. Now where did I say that? Nice to see you being your usual 'jovial' self   ::)

;)

Isn’t codsy just the ultimate in sweet old applecheeked grandmas everywhere?

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 6:23am:

Isn’t codsy just the ultimate in sweet old applecheeked grandmas everywhere?

sure is  :)

mothra wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 8:39am:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 11th, 2016 at 7:41am: if we go back through time, then we see how unatural feminism is. all thru recorded history women were the ones who handled the "beauty" and men handled the "behaviours". So hot women had inherent value and brave and courageous men had inherent value. the alliance of the feminazis (who tend to be the non-hot women) with the "soft and delicate and "weak' beta males (who resent the alpha males getting all the hot women)   was only possible in modern society because we became SO SUCCESSFUL that evolutionary pressure stopped being applied. But people, at their core, know that evolutionary pressure is good for them and for society. Whilst you can "survive ' in modern society and pump out a few kids even if you are very very mediocre, most people want to thrive more then survive. Thriving not just surviving. To go "up' in the world, it has become and is becoming neccessary to apply this evolutionary pressure (this pressure for growth) to ourselves. This is the whole basis for self improvement. If you just want to "cope"...go do that...it wont make you happy. If you want to thrive, then as a woman, you must handle your nutrition, exercise routine and emotional state and as a man you must handle your masculinity (you must learn not to be a whiney little complaining , sorry for yourself , punk a*ss chode). the interesting thing is women are the source of evolutionary pressure for the man who wants to learn these masculine behaviours. Women simply dont reward weak, supplicating, beta male, sooky, complaining, nervous and negative men. They say  "stay as a man , i will not encourage weak behaviour"  Women , are the friend of the man on a path to growth. The feminists and the beaten down beta males have gone down an evolutionary dead end http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/f1/f1d3323bfa0cb640e4cbd38ab9a85c21ffa52a1f08ecd623958c91faa8ba5b1f.jpg

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Its also biting society big time.

Now schooling is predominantly female, very few men teachers and what there is are being hounded by the feminazis.

Kids don't have male role models except for sports stars, and we all know the result of that don't we?

There needs to be an affirmative action to have equal numbers of male teachers and female teachers.
But we all know what will happen if we try that on.
Its a totally GIRLs club and men have no place.
They even bring up bogus sexism claims against male teachers to keep them on the defensive all the time.

HR is another female (or poof) bias profession, and just look at the quality of these deadbeats.

Yep, good old feminism is doing great for society, that's for sure.

It's a shame so much misogyny exists in our society.   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 4:23pm:

It's a shame so much misogyny exists in our society.   ::)

Shame there are so many feminazis as well

Valkie wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 4:34pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 12th, 2016 at 4:23pm: It's a shame so much misogyny exists in our society.   ::) Shame there are so many feminazis as well

Do you believe women are equal, legally, to men, Valkie?

Do you like the idea of keeping your girlfriend/wife, "barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen"?

Do you like the idea of your daughter's husband doing the same to her?

Do you think women should be subservient to men?

Why do you hate women so much?   Are you Muslim?   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 7:30pm:

Valkie wrote on Nov 12th, 2016 at 4:34pm: Brian Ross wrote on Nov 12th, 2016 at 4:23pm: It's a shame so much misogyny exists in our society.   ::) Shame there are so many feminazis as well Do you believe women are equal, legally, to men, Valkie? Do you like the idea of keeping your girlfriend/wife, "barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen"? Do you like the idea of your daughter's husband doing the same to her? Do you think women should be subservient to men? Why do you hate women so much?   Are you Muslim?   ::) ::)

Women are equal to men under our law, some would say more equal.

If she's happy there, go for it girl. If she's not there is no law stipulating that.

If she's want's to do that, go for it girl.

No.

I don't hate women, my best friend is one! ;) I have no religion.

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 7:30pm:

Valkie wrote on Nov 12th, 2016 at 4:34pm: Brian Ross wrote on Nov 12th, 2016 at 4:23pm: It's a shame so much misogyny exists in our society.   ::) Shame there are so many feminazis as well Do you believe women are equal, legally, to men, Valkie? Do you like the idea of keeping your girlfriend/wife, "barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen"? Do you like the idea of your daughter's husband doing the same to her? Do you think women should be subservient to men? Why do you hate women so much?   Are you Muslim?   ::) ::)

Oh Dear;
Poor widdle didums

Women are equal, legally to men, Intellectually also, physically, not so.

My wife has always been a stay at home woman, this is her choice.
But my two daughters are both good workers in their chosen fields, one is a senior manager.
I stand by them and their abilities.

My only married daughters husband stands by her as I do.

Women are not and should not be subservient to men.

Now lets get to the nitty gritty.
There are also women out there who feel that they are superior to men.
But for the same reasons above, this is not true, can never be true and is just ridiculous.
Feminism, is doing all capable women a disservice as it promotes the advancement of women, simply because they are women, not because they are capable, but simply because they were born without a tossle.
Imagine if men did the same thing?

My previous posts were tongue in cheek, if you took that blatantly obvious ranting for anything else, I feel sorry for you, Please get a life and don't take it all so seriously.
Perhaps I should have plastered little smiley faces all over the post for those with little or no sense of humor.

Oh and women.
I actually like them very much.
Both as a sexual object and, in the workplace as a capable co-worker or manager.
Ita Buttrose is an excellent example of a successful woman who still embraces feminism and does not try to be a pseudo man. I have great respect for her.

Now lets get back to the feminazis, who are destroying what is left of this wonderful world.
They will never be men, no matter how hard they try.
No matter what they wear, how often they ostracize men or how many women they bed.
They will always be a woman.

An alarming number of people have no idea what feminism is.

mothra wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 9:56pm:

An alarming number of people have no idea what feminism is.

Are women equal before our law? Are women paid the same as men under every award? Is there not a drive to put women in positions just because they have a vagina? Feminism has done it's job in this and most western countries, it needs to move offshore to continue in any reasonable manner or it's defunct.

mothra wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 9:56pm:

An alarming number of people have no idea what feminism is.

from what i can see it certainly is nothing to do with women being feminine.

rhino wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:20pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 12th, 2016 at 9:56pm: An alarming number of people have no idea what feminism is. from what i can see it certainly is nothing to do with women being feminine.

Maybe your definition of feminine is off.

mothra wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 11:27pm:

rhino wrote on Nov 12th, 2016 at 11:20pm: mothra wrote on Nov 12th, 2016 at 9:56pm: An alarming number of people have no idea what feminism is. from what i can see it certainly is nothing to do with women being feminine. Maybe your definition of feminine is off.

Its more about opportunism than actual working for women's rights.

Ill believe in TRUE feminism when I see the feminists fighting for those women in MUslim countries that have no rights and are not even accepted as humans.
Ill believe in feminism when I see no more child brides in Australia.
Ill believe in feminism when I see no more Burkas or women bashed by the husband under the guide of their cult.

Instead I see feminism backstabbing men, destroying professions and being nothing more than an opportunistic parasite looking for a willing host

Valkie wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 6:04am:

mothra wrote on Nov 12th, 2016 at 11:27pm: rhino wrote on Nov 12th, 2016 at 11:20pm: mothra wrote on Nov 12th, 2016 at 9:56pm: An alarming number of people have no idea what feminism is. from what i can see it certainly is nothing to do with women being feminine. Maybe your definition of feminine is off. Its more about opportunism than actual working for women's rights. Ill believe in TRUE feminism when I see the feminists fighting for those women in MUslim countries that have no rights and are not even accepted as humans. Ill believe in feminism when I see no more child brides in Australia. Ill believe in feminism when I see no more Burkas or women bashed by the husband under the guide of their cult. Instead I see feminism backstabbing men, destroying professions and being nothing more than an opportunistic parasite looking for a willing host

No idea.

Mostly feminists

miketrees wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 9:20am:

Mostly feminists

Mostly feminists what?

To the people who self identify as feminists here, would you care to objectively critique aspects of modern  feminism that you feel are not really anything to do with actual gender equality issues.

An alarming number of people have no idea what feminism is.


Mostly feminists


Mostly feminists what?


I can only go by my experience, but feminists don't want equality they want retribution and some place to lay the blame to their failures.

"I didn't get the job because I am a woman"

No, you didn't get the job because you were not deemed to be the best person for the job,, or you are a complete arsehole

Gordon wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 10:29am:

To the people who self identify as feminists here, would you care to objectively critique aspects of modern  feminism that you feel are not really anything to do with actual gender equality issues.

Example?

mothra wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 11:40am:

Gordon wrote on Nov 13th, 2016 at 10:29am: To the people who self identify as feminists here, would you care to objectively critique aspects of modern  feminism that you feel are not really anything to do with actual gender equality issues. Example?

I was hoping you could give me an example.  From your pov are there things encompassed in modern feminism you disagree with?

Gordon wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 11:42am:

mothra wrote on Nov 13th, 2016 at 11:40am: Gordon wrote on Nov 13th, 2016 at 10:29am: To the people who self identify as feminists here, would you care to objectively critique aspects of modern  feminism that you feel are not really anything to do with actual gender equality issues. Example? I was hoping you could give me an example.  From your pov are there things encompassed in modern feminism you disagree with?

You are labouring under the misapprehension that feminism is a united church.

Like i said, example?

mothra wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 11:52am:

Gordon wrote on Nov 13th, 2016 at 11:42am: mothra wrote on Nov 13th, 2016 at 11:40am: Gordon wrote on Nov 13th, 2016 at 10:29am: To the people who self identify as feminists here, would you care to objectively critique aspects of modern  feminism that you feel are not really anything to do with actual gender equality issues. Example? I was hoping you could give me an example.  From your pov are there things encompassed in modern feminism you disagree with? You are labouring under the misapprehension that feminism is a united church. Like i said, example?

I actually don't think it's a united anything. I'd say it encompasses the militant to the mild.

I'm genuinely asking if you think there are issues or points of view under the 'umbrella' of feminism that perhaps shouldn't be? 

Gordon wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 12:05pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 13th, 2016 at 11:52am: Gordon wrote on Nov 13th, 2016 at 11:42am: mothra wrote on Nov 13th, 2016 at 11:40am: Gordon wrote on Nov 13th, 2016 at 10:29am: To the people who self identify as feminists here, would you care to objectively critique aspects of modern  feminism that you feel are not really anything to do with actual gender equality issues. Example? I was hoping you could give me an example.  From your pov are there things encompassed in modern feminism you disagree with? You are labouring under the misapprehension that feminism is a united church. Like i said, example? I actually don't think it's a united anything. I'd say it encompasses the militant to the mild. I'm genuinely asking if you think there are issues or points of view under the 'umbrella' of feminism that perhaps shouldn't be?

You're seriously asking me if i disagree with other feminists about stuff?

That is the gist of your argument?

Examples please.

mothra wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 12:34pm:

Gordon wrote on Nov 13th, 2016 at 12:05pm: mothra wrote on Nov 13th, 2016 at 11:52am: Gordon wrote on Nov 13th, 2016 at 11:42am: mothra wrote on Nov 13th, 2016 at 11:40am: Gordon wrote on Nov 13th, 2016 at 10:29am: To the people who self identify as feminists here, would you care to objectively critique aspects of modern  feminism that you feel are not really anything to do with actual gender equality issues. Example? I was hoping you could give me an example.  From your pov are there things encompassed in modern feminism you disagree with? You are labouring under the misapprehension that feminism is a united church. Like i said, example? I actually don't think it's a united anything. I'd say it encompasses the militant to the mild. I'm genuinely asking if you think there are issues or points of view under the 'umbrella' of feminism that perhaps shouldn't be?  You're seriously asking me if i disagree with other feminists about stuff? That is the gist of your argument? Examples please.

Sure, why not. And I don't have a single argument on this subject. Only questions.

I disagree with other feminists about all sorts of things.

Now, to your questions ... ask away.

I swear I thought I coined that term feminazi about 10 years ago... when I believed things were black and white.
There's a necessary baton exchange taking place between men and women. The new world needs women to step up and take a much greater leadership role.
In case some of you hadn't noticed yet the old ways of might is right and climb to the top at all costs is causing more harm than good to the planet and our species.
There's a better way for us to grow and evolve which requires  greater strength and willpower than simply trying to desperately hold onto the status quo.
That's the lower form of ego which is primarily responsible for much of humanities unnecessary suffering.
It served a purpose but not anymore.
Women are not handed leadership. They need to learn and earn it.
It's up to Men to help facilitate this by teaching women the skill sets we learned, and also not be unnecessarily obstructive because we fear losing control and the essence of what it is to be a man.
Man up indeed

mothra wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 12:39pm:

I disagree with other feminists about all sorts of things. Now, to your questions ... ask away.

Sure. Would you like the entire term feminism to be dropped and replaced with gender equality?

Gordon wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 12:41pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 13th, 2016 at 12:39pm: I disagree with other feminists about all sorts of things. Now, to your questions ... ask away. Sure. Would you like the entire term feminism to be dropped and replaced with gender equality?

Feminism means gender equality.

mothra wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 12:43pm:

Gordon wrote on Nov 13th, 2016 at 12:41pm: mothra wrote on Nov 13th, 2016 at 12:39pm: I disagree with other feminists about all sorts of things. Now, to your questions ... ask away. Sure. Would you like the entire term feminism to be dropped and replaced with gender equality? Feminism means gender equality.

Sure, but do you think if it was packaged as gender equality rather than feminism it may defuse arguments that feminism is merely a vehicle for women to hate on men?

mothra wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 12:43pm:

Gordon wrote on Nov 13th, 2016 at 12:41pm: mothra wrote on Nov 13th, 2016 at 12:39pm: I disagree with other feminists about all sorts of things. Now, to your questions ... ask away. Sure. Would you like the entire term feminism to be dropped and replaced with gender equality? Feminism means gender equality.

But only when they think they can win or manipulate their way into power.

They do not help each other, feminists are a backstabbing lot, no argument.

And again I point out that they are not doing ONE SINGLE SOLITARY THING about the subjugation, objectification, abuse and denigration of women IN AUSTRALIA in specific cult operations.

Oh yes, they pontificate, scream, abuse and insult footballers and the poor bloke who has a family.
They call any man who dares to question their motives and capability misogynistic and retarded.
They demand equal rights but rarely give the same back to men.

Let me give you a couple of examples.
We have women's only gyms, but men are not allowed to have any men's clubs, WHY?.
We have courts finding in favor of the mothers in custody and wealth matters more times than not, and if a man dares to challenge he is ostracized.
A woman hits a man with impunity, regardless of the fact that they are smaller, weaker and would have no chance in hell of standing up to him should he strike back.
Yet if a small man hit another man, he would be rightly decked. Why do women, who want and demand equality, expect anything less?

Is this equality?
Is this true respect for men and women? Of course it isnt, its feminism at its best, taking advantage and using it to further their cause.

Some of the best women managers I have worked with, treat both sexes exactly the same, they are not trying to be men, they are not putting on the tossle and acting tough (because its a tough world).
They simply use the skills and their capabilities, they use their intelligence and training to act as a manager with no thoughts of equality, simply because they are already equal.

Then I see the ones who try and use their Inequality as a ladder, using tricks and slogans to bridge the gap between the skills required and their obvious deficiencies.
These do not last long, they quickly become a hot potato and are passed around until someone finds a way to rid themselves of the problem.

Again
When feminists stand up to the obvious denigration of women, child brides, abuse and objectification of Muslim women, then and only then I may have some respect for them and their cause.

Until then, they are nothing more than self serving opportunistic narcissists.

Gordon wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 12:46pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 13th, 2016 at 12:43pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 13th, 2016 at 12:41pm: mothra wrote on Nov 13th, 2016 at 12:39pm: I disagree with other feminists about all sorts of things. Now, to your questions ... ask away. Sure. Would you like the entire term feminism to be dropped and replaced with gender equality? Feminism means gender equality. Sure, but do you think if it was packaged as gender equality rather than feminism it may defuse arguments that feminism is merely a vehicle for women to hate on men?

No. Those that think feminism means "hating on men" are misguided.

Feminism means gender equality.

Valkie wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 9:08pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 12th, 2016 at 7:30pm: Valkie wrote on Nov 12th, 2016 at 4:34pm: Brian Ross wrote on Nov 12th, 2016 at 4:23pm: It's a shame so much misogyny exists in our society.   ::) Shame there are so many feminazis as well Do you believe women are equal, legally, to men, Valkie? Do you like the idea of keeping your girlfriend/wife, "barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen"? Do you like the idea of your daughter's husband doing the same to her? Do you think women should be subservient to men? Why do you hate women so much?   Are you Muslim?   ::) ::) Oh Dear; Poor widdle didums Women are equal, legally to men, Intellectually also, physically, not so. My wife has always been a stay at home woman, this is her choice. But my two daughters are both good workers in their chosen fields, one is a senior manager. I stand by them and their abilities. My only married daughters husband stands by her as I do. Women are not and should not be subservient to men.

So, you don't believe women should be made to retire from work when they marry or become pregnant?  YES/NO?

You don't believe women should not be allowed to own property/money?  YES/NO?

You don't believe women should be made to marry who they don't love, if they don't want to?  YES/NO?

Here's a question for you.   Who gained all those rights for women?   Was it feminists or was it misogynists?


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Now lets get to the nitty gritty. There are also women out there who feel that they are superior to men.

Or is this just your simplistic understanding of the points they are attempting to make?

I've never encountered one, myself.  Would you care to introduce them to me?  I'd like to meet and debate with them.   


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But for the same reasons above, this is not true, can never be true and is just ridiculous.

Why ever not?

Legally, by your own admission they are the equal of men before the law.

Physically, they can become as equal to men if they so desire to work at it.  Not all men are represented by "He-Man", Arnie Schwartzenegger type males, you realise?

What is preventing them, except their own laziness of becoming the equals of men?   Afterall, women do more physical labour than most men, they are better organised socially and of course, they carry children and their men everywhere.   ::)


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Feminism, is doing all capable women a disservice as it promotes the advancement of women, simply because they are women, not because they are capable, but simply because they were born without a tossle.

Women are actually, because their genitalia is carried internally, an evolutionary step above males.   Where they carry their "tossle" is immaterial. 


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Imagine if men did the same thing?

What?  Tucked their dicks inside their bodies and had children?    ::)


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My previous posts were tongue in cheek, if you took that blatantly obvious ranting for anything else, I feel sorry for you, Please get a life and don't take it all so seriously. Perhaps I should have plastered little smiley faces all over the post for those with little or no sense of humor.

Oh, dear, feeling cornered are we?   Humour, the last defence of the cad.  Sorry, you're a fool and it shows with every post you make.   To you, they make appear humorous, to others they appear stupid.


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Oh and women. I actually like them very much. Both as a sexual object and, in the workplace as a capable co-worker or manager.

How nice but you appear to want to keep them subjugated from what you've said thus far.   ::) ::)


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Now lets get back to the feminazis, who are destroying what is left of this wonderful world.

Who are these "feminazis" that you keep rabbiting on about?

How do we distinguish your views from that of arch-conservative Muslims,  I wonder?

Are you secretly a Muslim?   ::)


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They will never be men, no matter how hard they try.

Never met a woman who wanted to be a man.   Funny that.  Can you name some women who hold that attitude for us?  Do you know any?    ::)


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No matter what they wear, how often they ostracize men or how many women they bed. They will always be a woman.

What's wrong, feeling out competed?   ::)

Valkie wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 1:54pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 13th, 2016 at 12:43pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 13th, 2016 at 12:41pm: mothra wrote on Nov 13th, 2016 at 12:39pm: I disagree with other feminists about all sorts of things. Now, to your questions ... ask away. Sure. Would you like the entire term feminism to be dropped and replaced with gender equality? Feminism means gender equality. But only when they think they can win or manipulate their way into power. They do not help each other, feminists are a backstabbing lot, no argument. And again I point out that they are not doing ONE SINGLE SOLITARY THING about the subjugation, objectification, abuse and denigration of women IN AUSTRALIA in specific cult operations. Oh yes, they pontificate, scream, abuse and insult footballers and the poor bloke who has a family. They call any man who dares to question their motives and capability misogynistic and retarded. They demand equal rights but rarely give the same back to men. Let me give you a couple of examples. We have women's only gyms, but men are not allowed to have any men's clubs, WHY?. We have courts finding in favor of the mothers in custody and wealth matters more times than not, and if a man dares to challenge he is ostracized. A woman hits a man with impunity, regardless of the fact that they are smaller, weaker and would have no chance in hell of standing up to him should he strike back. Yet if a small man hit another man, he would be rightly decked. Why do women, who want and demand equality, expect anything less? Is this equality? Is this true respect for men and women? Of course it isnt, its feminism at its best, taking advantage and using it to further their cause. Some of the best women managers I have worked with, treat both sexes exactly the same, they are not trying to be men, they are not putting on the tossle and acting tough (because its a tough world). They simply use the skills and their capabilities, they use their intelligence and training to act as a manager with no thoughts of equality, simply because they are already equal. Then I see the ones who try and use their Inequality as a ladder, using tricks and slogans to bridge the gap between the skills required and their obvious deficiencies. These do not last long, they quickly become a hot potato and are passed around until someone finds a way to rid themselves of the problem. Again When feminists stand up to the obvious denigration of women, child brides, abuse and objectification of Muslim women, then and only then I may have some respect for them and their cause. Until then, they are nothing more than self serving opportunistic narcissists.

With the female clients I meet in a professional capacity I see no difference to their male counterparts. They've used their personal mix of talents to get where they are.

I've also worked at a place with a very open and powerful militant political feminist agenda and it was without doubt the most corrosive toxic environments I've seen, for both men and women alike.

This site is playing up a treat.

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With the female clients I meet in a professional capacity I see no difference to their male counterparts. They've used their personal mix of talents to get where they are. I've also worked at a place with a very open and powerful militant political feminist agenda and it was without doubt the most corrosive toxic environments I've seen, for both men and women alike.

This is exactly what I am saying.
Some women are very professional and excellent in their jobs.

Others lean heavily on sexist Feminazi tactics to secure positions and control, that is way beyond their capability.
Then they get angry when they are put under the pump.

Feminazies are destroying the opportunities for competent women by propagating a false persona that ALL women are as incapable as they are.

Bitten once, shy away twice.

Valkie wrote on Nov 15^th, 2016 at 3:15pm:

Quote: With the female clients I meet in a professional capacity I see no difference to their male counterparts. They've used their personal mix of talents to get where they are. I've also worked at a place with a very open and powerful militant political feminist agenda and it was without doubt the most corrosive toxic environments I've seen, for both men and women alike. This is exactly what I am saying. Some women are very professional and excellent in their jobs. Others lean heavily on sexist Feminazi tactics to secure positions and control, that is way beyond their capability. Then they get angry when they are put under the pump. Feminazies are destroying the opportunities for competent women by propagating a false persona that ALL women are as incapable as they are. Bitten once, shy away twice.

Whom are these "feminazis"?  Name, names!  Or are you just sounding out your sour grapes because women are as good, if not better than a misguided Neanderthal like yourself?   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 15^th, 2016 at 3:21pm:

Valkie wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 3:15pm: Quote: With the female clients I meet in a professional capacity I see no difference to their male counterparts. They've used their personal mix of talents to get where they are. I've also worked at a place with a very open and powerful militant political feminist agenda and it was without doubt the most corrosive toxic environments I've seen, for both men and women alike. This is exactly what I am saying. Some women are very professional and excellent in their jobs. Others lean heavily on sexist Feminazi tactics to secure positions and control, that is way beyond their capability. Then they get angry when they are put under the pump. Feminazies are destroying the opportunities for competent women by propagating a false persona that ALL women are as incapable as they are. Bitten once, shy away twice. Whom are these "feminazis"?  Name, names!  Or are you just sounding out your sour grapes because women are as good, if not better than a misguided Neanderthal like yourself?   ::)

Oh Deary me, you are at it again.

Its stupid to name names of the many feminazis that are around the place, YOU know who they are, you are simply being obtuse.

AGAIN.
Where are the outcries for Child brides, Objectification of women, Equal rights when those women are part of THE CULT?

Well, you have ignored this question on three 3 separate occasions.
Too hard for you?

Where are the equal rights for men?
IE Women only gyms vs men clubs.

Why is breast cancer given twice or more funding than prostrate cancer when prostrate cancer kills just as many men?

IL RESPOND TO YOUR PATHETIC CALLS  ONCE YOU ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS.

Feminism means gender equality


I can't agree with that.

Gender equality means gender equality

Feminism has come to mean gender inequality by means of so called positive discrimination, quotas and other such nonsense

miketrees wrote on Nov 15^th, 2016 at 5:58pm:

Feminism means gender equality I can't agree with that. Gender equality means gender equality Feminism has come to mean gender inequality by means of so called positive discrimination, quotas and other such nonsense

Clearly and succinctly put.

X2

Valkie wrote on Nov 15^th, 2016 at 3:42pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 3:21pm: Valkie wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 3:15pm: Quote: With the female clients I meet in a professional capacity I see no difference to their male counterparts. They've used their personal mix of talents to get where they are. I've also worked at a place with a very open and powerful militant political feminist agenda and it was without doubt the most corrosive toxic environments I've seen, for both men and women alike. This is exactly what I am saying. Some women are very professional and excellent in their jobs. Others lean heavily on sexist Feminazi tactics to secure positions and control, that is way beyond their capability. Then they get angry when they are put under the pump. Feminazies are destroying the opportunities for competent women by propagating a false persona that ALL women are as incapable as they are. Bitten once, shy away twice. Whom are these "feminazis"?  Name, names!  Or are you just sounding out your sour grapes because women are as good, if not better than a misguided Neanderthal like yourself?   ::) Oh Deary me, you are at it again. Its stupid to name names of the many feminazis that are around the place, YOU know who they are, you are simply being obtuse. AGAIN. Where are the outcries for Child brides, Objectification of women, Equal rights when those women are part of THE CULT? Well, you have ignored this question on three 3 separate occasions. Too hard for you? Where are the equal rights for men? IE Women only gyms vs men clubs. Why is breast cancer given twice or more funding than prostrate cancer when prostrate cancer kills just as many men? IL RESPOND TO YOUR PATHETIC CALLS  ONCE YOU ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS.

No names?  How unsurprising.  How very unsurprising.   ::) ::)

Valkie wrote on Nov 15^th, 2016 at 6:17pm:

miketrees wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 5:58pm: Feminism means gender equality I can't agree with that. Gender equality means gender equality Feminism has come to mean gender inequality by means of so called positive discrimination, quotas and other such nonsense Clearly and succinctly put. X2

x3 with strong emphasis

Valkie wrote on Nov 15^th, 2016 at 3:42pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 3:21pm: Valkie wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 3:15pm: Quote: With the female clients I meet in a professional capacity I see no difference to their male counterparts. They've used their personal mix of talents to get where they are. I've also worked at a place with a very open and powerful militant political feminist agenda and it was without doubt the most corrosive toxic environments I've seen, for both men and women alike. This is exactly what I am saying. Some women are very professional and excellent in their jobs. Others lean heavily on sexist Feminazi tactics to secure positions and control, that is way beyond their capability. Then they get angry when they are put under the pump. Feminazies are destroying the opportunities for competent women by propagating a false persona that ALL women are as incapable as they are. Bitten once, shy away twice. Whom are these "feminazis"?  Name, names!  Or are you just sounding out your sour grapes because women are as good, if not better than a misguided Neanderthal like yourself?   ::) Oh Deary me, you are at it again. Its stupid to name names of the many feminazis that are around the place, YOU know who they are, you are simply being obtuse. AGAIN. Where are the outcries for Child brides, Objectification of women, Equal rights when those women are part of THE CULT? Well, you have ignored this question on three 3 separate occasions. Too hard for you? Where are the equal rights for men? IE Women only gyms vs men clubs. Why is breast cancer given twice or more funding than prostrate cancer when prostrate cancer kills just as many men? IL RESPOND TO YOUR PATHETIC CALLS  ONCE YOU ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS.

Why should I?  I am not responsible for the supposed "crimes" of these "feminazis" whom you refuse to identify.  Nor am I responsible for your failure to do your own research.  Indeed, your whining, constant badgering and refusal to answer my questions about whom these "feminazis" are, merely indicates just how little you actually know about this issue.    ::) ::)

Define 'gender equality' for me...

You mean women can't vote, can't work, can't get an education, can't pay taxes, can't get a loan, can't own a car, can't buy a house, can't do pretty much what they want legal or sometimes otherwise?

What am I missing here?  Where is this 'gender equality'?

Has the Labor Party worked out yet that if they want 50% representation, about 45% of nurses, and at least 20% of teachers, public servants and bank workers will have to be sacked to make way for men?  And that affirmative action in the school education system will need to be wound back as well as artificial places in higher learning etc?

When WILL sanity prevail here?  For every woman 'doing it tough' there is a man doing it tough, and sometimes tougher because of the push for 'gender equality'.  SHOW me where women are not 'equal', don't just utter the empty phrases like some demented Muslim.

You people who rabbit on about 'gender equality' have never experienced the sharp edge of that push..... until you do - you haven't earned the right to speak... only veterans have that right.... and you are all newfers and REMFs in this fight....

Band of Brothers, boys..... ask me some time...

'gender equality' is one big lie....

'objectification of women'?  You mean a man can no longer follow his natural instincts and place a high value on a fine piece of ass?

Grow up....

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 12:58am:

'objectification of women'?  You mean a man can no longer follow his natural instincts and place a high value on a fine piece of ass? Grow up....

Come on, you know that is not what I'm talking about.

Every man likes to look at a nice female, except for some strange ones that prefer other men, dogs, cats, sheep, goats and shoes.

By objectification I mean they are seen as nothing more than chattel, something to be owned, have no self worth but are objects to be treated as such.
This objectification is the unseen chains that bind women in THE CULT to the horrors of this cult.

Its not objectification to appreciate a nice looking female, unless you do it openly and with malicious intent.

When men have the same life expectancy as women, we will be getting closer to gender equality

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 12:57am:

Define 'gender equality' for me... You mean women can't vote, can't work, can't get an education, can't pay taxes, can't get a loan, can't own a car, can't buy a house, can't do pretty much what they want legal or sometimes otherwise? What am I missing here?  Where is this 'gender equality'? Has the Labor Party worked out yet that if they want 50% representation, about 45% of nurses, and at least 20% of teachers, public servants and bank workers will have to be sacked to make way for men?  And that affirmative action in the school education system will need to be wound back as well as artificial places in higher learning etc? When WILL sanity prevail here?  For every woman 'doing it tough' there is a man doing it tough, and sometimes tougher because of the push for 'gender equality'.  SHOW me where women are not 'equal', don't just utter the empty phrases like some demented Muslim. You people who rabbit on about 'gender equality' have never experienced the sharp edge of that push..... until you do - you haven't earned the right to speak... only veterans have that right.... and you are all newfers and REMFs in this fight.... Band of Brothers, boys..... ask me some time... 'gender equality' is one big lie....

Amen

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Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 12:58am:

'objectification of women'?  You mean a man can no longer follow his natural instincts and place a high value on a fine piece of ass? Grow up....

Referring to a woman as a "fine piece of ass", despite being an American word (which is pathetic) is objectification.

She has a name. She is a person. A whole person.

Gnads wrote on Nov 15^th, 2016 at 8:20pm:

Valkie wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 6:17pm: miketrees wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 5:58pm: Feminism means gender equality I can't agree with that. Gender equality means gender equality Feminism has come to mean gender inequality by means of so called positive discrimination, quotas and other such nonsense Clearly and succinctly put. X2 x3 with strong emphasis

You sound like a bunch of boys who don't want to share the playground with the girls.

mothra wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 9:09am:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 12:58am: 'objectification of women'?  You mean a man can no longer follow his natural instincts and place a high value on a fine piece of ass? Grow up.... Referring to a woman as a "fine piece of ass", despite being an American word (which is pathetic) is objectification. She has a name. She is a person. A whole person.

Can't deny biology - any man of the heterosexual persuasion who says he does not automatically 'check out' a woman, despite all the assurances that is not the case and even though it has somehow  become a sin, is a liar.  Just like trying to deny motherhood to 'pursue a career' while at the same time using motherhood to gain advantage through childcare, time off, income supplement, and even divorce settlement, is equally a lie.

You cannot deny biology..... and to do so is a sign of the weakness of our people at this time, and is startlingly reminiscent of the Muslim idea of covering women up.

Do you seriously want such a society foisted upon us with all it entails?

In some ways, this compulsory de-sexualisation of the highly sexual human race means the term Feminazi is very applicable to those rabid theorists who seek to do just that.

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 9:22am:

mothra wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 9:09am: Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 12:58am: 'objectification of women'?  You mean a man can no longer follow his natural instincts and place a high value on a fine piece of ass? Grow up.... Referring to a woman as a "fine piece of ass", despite being an American word (which is pathetic) is objectification. She has a name. She is a person. A whole person. Can't deny biology - any man of the heterosexual persuasion who says he does not automatically 'check out' a woman, despite all the assurances that is not the case and even though it has somehow  become a sin, is a liar.  Just like trying to deny motherhood to 'pursue a career' while at the same time using motherhood to gain advantage through childcare, time off, income supplement, and even divorce settlement, is equally a lie. You cannot deny biology..... and to do so is a sign of the weakness of our people at this time, and is startlingly reminiscent of the Muslim idea of covering women up. Do you seriously want such a society foisted upon us with all it entails? In some ways, this compulsory de-sexualisation of the highly sexual human race means the term Feminazi is very applicable to those rabid theorists who seek to do just that.

Did i say you can't check someone out?

No.

I said referring to a woman as a "fine piece of ass" was objectification.

Focus now.

mothra wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 9:09am:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 12:58am: 'objectification of women'?  You mean a man can no longer follow his natural instincts and place a high value on a fine piece of ass? Grow up.... Referring to a woman as a "fine piece of ass", despite being an American word (which is pathetic) is objectification. She has a name. She is a person. A whole person.

Don't you think it depends on the level of interaction?
If a man sees a random person who happens to be a neuroscientist on the beach killing it in a bikini and only thinks of her in sexual terms, isn't that just fine?

Gordon wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 9:32am:

mothra wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 9:09am: Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 12:58am: 'objectification of women'?  You mean a man can no longer follow his natural instincts and place a high value on a fine piece of ass? Grow up.... Referring to a woman as a "fine piece of ass", despite being an American word (which is pathetic) is objectification. She has a name. She is a person. A whole person. Don't you think it depends on the level of interaction? If a man sees a random person who happens to be a neuroscientist on the beach killing it in a bikini and only thinks of her in sexual terms, isn't that just fine?

Yes.

Did you understand my point?

Valkie wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 5:28am:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 12:58am: 'objectification of women'?  You mean a man can no longer follow his natural instincts and place a high value on a fine piece of ass? Grow up.... Come on, you know that is not what I'm talking about. Every man likes to look at a nice female, except for some strange ones that prefer other men, dogs, cats, sheep, goats and shoes. By objectification I mean they are seen as nothing more than chattel, something to be owned, have no self worth but are objects to be treated as such. This objectification is the unseen chains that bind women in THE CULT to the horrors of this cult. Its not objectification to appreciate a nice looking female, unless you do it openly and with malicious intent.

Seriously though, Valk - in this day and age, how much of that really goes on?  And how much is nothing more than the ingrained different natures of men and women - something nowhere more apparent that in boys and girls at public school?  The point is that the two natures CAN make a great team - a fine blending of opposites - but they are - like NRL and NBL - two different approaches to a ball game and cannot be played against one another.

I think the malicious intent is more than 'objectification', though in order to view a woman as just something to shag is definitely making an object of her.  In that case, why then has it become a crime for a man to love his woman and seek to maintain their steady partnership?

Again, such overly-theorised non-reasoning on an emotional basis by those who espouse 'feminism' offers a clear opportunity to label such Feminazis, since they seek to impose a governance by violence and threat over a social group, in defiance of the natural inclinations of the human race.

I suppose, as a footnote, that those who hold such non-reasoning could be excluded from the human race........ not fit to govern, etc... entitled to their opinion but never permitted to take over running the show and turning it into a lunatic asylum, just one point of view that has ZERO 'right' to exclude opposing views based on some absurd presumption of academic superiority and support. 

A fine example was Labor's Steve Smith from Darkest Western Australia wanting to shove women willy-nilly into Direct Combat, then waffling that it is now a Right ™ for them to apply and try but they simply can't make the grade .... educated smart and full of theory but thick as two planks nailed end to end in the real world (are they still advertising all those little girlies on fork lifts signing up for a year in the Army?) .... and one has to ponder the fate of his students back home under that mentality, which says 'adhere to MY line or fail'..... some academic smarts right there, and we laugh at Islam and 'everything is already written down' etc....

mothra wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 9:33am:

Gordon wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 9:32am: mothra wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 9:09am: Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 12:58am: 'objectification of women'?  You mean a man can no longer follow his natural instincts and place a high value on a fine piece of ass? Grow up.... Referring to a woman as a "fine piece of ass", despite being an American word (which is pathetic) is objectification. She has a name. She is a person. A whole person. Don't you think it depends on the level of interaction? If a man sees a random person who happens to be a neuroscientist on the beach killing it in a bikini and only thinks of her in sexual terms, isn't that just fine? Yes. Did you understand my point?

Is it ever OK to refer to a woman as 'a fine piece of ass'?

Gordon wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 9:32am:

mothra wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 9:09am: Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 12:58am: 'objectification of women'?  You mean a man can no longer follow his natural instincts and place a high value on a fine piece of ass? Grow up.... Referring to a woman as a "fine piece of ass", despite being an American word (which is pathetic) is objectification. She has a name. She is a person. A whole person. Don't you think it depends on the level of interaction? If a man sees a random person who happens to be a neuroscientist on the beach killing it in a bikini and only thinks of her in sexual terms, isn't that just fine?

My chemistry professor lady of the past was slim, red-headed, and utterly gorgeous... one of the reasons she adored me was that I appreciated ALL of her, but the first thing was I appreciated her work and her efforts and placed a high value on her achievement - that thing she did by hard work with zero handouts .... unlike the majority of men at the university....  ;)

Oh - that indescribable feeling of comfort from being in the company of a kindred spirit....

Gordon wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 9:37am:

mothra wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 9:33am: Gordon wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 9:32am: mothra wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 9:09am: Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 12:58am: 'objectification of women'?  You mean a man can no longer follow his natural instincts and place a high value on a fine piece of ass? Grow up.... Referring to a woman as a "fine piece of ass", despite being an American word (which is pathetic) is objectification. She has a name. She is a person. A whole person. Don't you think it depends on the level of interaction? If a man sees a random person who happens to be a neuroscientist on the beach killing it in a bikini and only thinks of her in sexual terms, isn't that just fine? Yes. Did you understand my point? Is it ever OK to refer to a woman as 'a fine piece of ass'?

No.

mothra wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 9:38am:

Gordon wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 9:37am: mothra wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 9:33am: Gordon wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 9:32am: mothra wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 9:09am: Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 12:58am: 'objectification of women'?  You mean a man can no longer follow his natural instincts and place a high value on a fine piece of ass? Grow up.... Referring to a woman as a "fine piece of ass", despite being an American word (which is pathetic) is objectification. She has a name. She is a person. A whole person. Don't you think it depends on the level of interaction? If a man sees a random person who happens to be a neuroscientist on the beach killing it in a bikini and only thinks of her in sexual terms, isn't that just fine? Yes. Did you understand my point? Is it ever OK to refer to a woman as 'a fine piece of ass'? No.

I'd never use that Americanisim either so lets substitute a more Australian term. How about a, hottie, cracker?

mothra wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 9:27am:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 9:22am: mothra wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 9:09am: Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 12:58am: 'objectification of women'?  You mean a man can no longer follow his natural instincts and place a high value on a fine piece of ass? Grow up.... Referring to a woman as a "fine piece of ass", despite being an American word (which is pathetic) is objectification. She has a name. She is a person. A whole person. Can't deny biology - any man of the heterosexual persuasion who says he does not automatically 'check out' a woman, despite all the assurances that is not the case and even though it has somehow  become a sin, is a liar.  Just like trying to deny motherhood to 'pursue a career' while at the same time using motherhood to gain advantage through childcare, time off, income supplement, and even divorce settlement, is equally a lie. You cannot deny biology..... and to do so is a sign of the weakness of our people at this time, and is startlingly reminiscent of the Muslim idea of covering women up. Do you seriously want such a society foisted upon us with all it entails? In some ways, this compulsory de-sexualisation of the highly sexual human race means the term Feminazi is very applicable to those rabid theorists who seek to do just that. Did i say you can't check someone out? No. I said referring to a woman as a "fine piece of ass" was objectification. Focus now.

Ah - so it's perfectly in order to 'feel' a woman is a fine piece of ass (a term that encompasses an overall evaluation and not just her ass and incorporates many factors many unseen - the point 1 of a second once-over) - but you're not allowed to express it and must appear as a robot in front of her, lest you be chastised by the goddesses of self-righteousness, guardians of all virtue and armed with swords of academised theoretical justice to smite the unholy?

How interesting.... I rather thought that the human race was better served by open-ness and honesty - especially between men and women..... and by a dialogue between the sexes and not just imposition of a set of theoretical values dreamt up in some dark smoke-filled room over a few white wines or in some dark backroom at some political party where the democratic process is being suborned by yet another self-interest group ...

..... sadly though - it is the (Spanish or Swedish) Imposition that creates the term Feminazi....

Gordon wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 9:43am:

mothra wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 9:38am: Gordon wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 9:37am: mothra wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 9:33am: Gordon wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 9:32am: mothra wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 9:09am: Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 12:58am: 'objectification of women'?  You mean a man can no longer follow his natural instincts and place a high value on a fine piece of ass? Grow up.... Referring to a woman as a "fine piece of ass", despite being an American word (which is pathetic) is objectification. She has a name. She is a person. A whole person. Don't you think it depends on the level of interaction? If a man sees a random person who happens to be a neuroscientist on the beach killing it in a bikini and only thinks of her in sexual terms, isn't that just fine? Yes. Did you understand my point? Is it ever OK to refer to a woman as 'a fine piece of ass'? No. I'd never use that Americanisim either so lets substitute a more Australian term. How about a, hottie, cracker?

Perfectly acceptable.

mothra wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 9:48am:

Gordon wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 9:43am: mothra wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 9:38am: Gordon wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 9:37am: mothra wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 9:33am: Gordon wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 9:32am: mothra wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 9:09am: Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 12:58am: 'objectification of women'?  You mean a man can no longer follow his natural instincts and place a high value on a fine piece of ass? Grow up.... Referring to a woman as a "fine piece of ass", despite being an American word (which is pathetic) is objectification. She has a name. She is a person. A whole person. Don't you think it depends on the level of interaction? If a man sees a random person who happens to be a neuroscientist on the beach killing it in a bikini and only thinks of her in sexual terms, isn't that just fine? Yes. Did you understand my point? Is it ever OK to refer to a woman as 'a fine piece of ass'? No. I'd never use that Americanisim either so lets substitute a more Australian term. How about a, hottie, cracker? Perfectly acceptable.

OK, so shouldn't we give some wiggle room to people who are prone to using more colorful language?

Gordon wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 9:54am:

mothra wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 9:48am: Gordon wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 9:43am: mothra wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 9:38am: Gordon wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 9:37am: mothra wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 9:33am: Gordon wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 9:32am: mothra wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 9:09am: Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 12:58am: 'objectification of women'?  You mean a man can no longer follow his natural instincts and place a high value on a fine piece of ass? Grow up.... Referring to a woman as a "fine piece of ass", despite being an American word (which is pathetic) is objectification. She has a name. She is a person. A whole person. Don't you think it depends on the level of interaction? If a man sees a random person who happens to be a neuroscientist on the beach killing it in a bikini and only thinks of her in sexual terms, isn't that just fine? Yes. Did you understand my point? Is it ever OK to refer to a woman as 'a fine piece of ass'? No. I'd never use that Americanisim either so lets substitute a more Australian term. How about a, hottie, cracker? Perfectly acceptable. OK, so shouldn't we give some wiggle room to people who are prone to using more colorful language?

No. They should evolve. A woman is not a "piece" of anything, let alone "ass".

mothra wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 9:56am:

Gordon wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 9:54am: mothra wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 9:48am: Gordon wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 9:43am: mothra wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 9:38am: Gordon wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 9:37am: mothra wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 9:33am: Gordon wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 9:32am: mothra wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 9:09am: Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 12:58am: 'objectification of women'?  You mean a man can no longer follow his natural instincts and place a high value on a fine piece of ass? Grow up.... Referring to a woman as a "fine piece of ass", despite being an American word (which is pathetic) is objectification. She has a name. She is a person. A whole person. Don't you think it depends on the level of interaction? If a man sees a random person who happens to be a neuroscientist on the beach killing it in a bikini and only thinks of her in sexual terms, isn't that just fine? Yes. Did you understand my point? Is it ever OK to refer to a woman as 'a fine piece of ass'? No. I'd never use that Americanisim either so lets substitute a more Australian term. How about a, hottie, cracker? Perfectly acceptable. OK, so shouldn't we give some wiggle room to people who are prone to using more colorful language? No. They should evolve. A woman is not a "piece" of anything, let alone "ass".

Shouldn't the biggest determining factor be context and not the colour of the language?

It is context.

A woman is not a "piece" of anything, let alone "ass".

Would you like your daughter being referred to a a piece of ass?

mothra wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 10:02am:

It is context. A woman is not a "piece" of anything, let alone "ass". Would you like your daughter being referred to a a piece of ass?

As long as men are sexually attracted to women there will be language to describe that, and as long as there are variations in language there will be examples that offend 'someone'.

If two guys see a woman on a beach who happens to be a doctor and (among themselves) call her a 'fine piece of ass' I don't consider it inappropriate. (not my favorite turn of phrase tho)

In a professional context I'd consider ANY reference to her appearance above normal pleasantries highly as inappropriate.

I think situation and context is everything.

You didn't answer the question.

mothra wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 10:02am:

It is context. A woman is not a "piece" of anything, let alone "ass". Would you like your daughter being referred to a a piece of ass?

I'm certain her fiance` thinks she is - but he also values highly her independent and highly intelligent mindset installed by her parents......  and her very high principles....

mothra wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 10:16am:

You didn't answer the question.

It would depend on context.

What would you find more offensive.
A random truck driver leaning out the window calling you 'a fine piece of ass' or a male boss?

mothra wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 10:16am:

You didn't answer the question.

I did - the term 'fine piece of ass' is different for each user, but in the case of some is an appreciative expression of all that the user finds good about the viewee at quick glance...

Gordon wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 10:24am:

mothra wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 10:16am: You didn't answer the question. It would depend on context. What would you find more offensive. A random truck driver leaning out the window calling you 'a fine piece of ass' or a male boss?

Oh well!  A truck driver/building worker is a peon!  A boss is a higher order of being!  Get it right!!

Gordon wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 10:24am:

mothra wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 10:16am: You didn't answer the question. It would depend on context. What would you find more offensive. A random truck driver leaning out the window calling you 'a fine piece of ass' or a male boss?

I would and have found it offensive wherever it is used.

mothra wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 10:26am:

Gordon wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 10:24am: mothra wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 10:16am: You didn't answer the question. It would depend on context. What would you find more offensive. A random truck driver leaning out the window calling you 'a fine piece of ass' or a male boss? I would and have found it offensive wherever it is used.

Really? When a building worker/truck driver says such a thing he's only making a physical observation and not in a position to deliver characterizations about personality. It's a throw away line.

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 10:25am:

Gordon wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 10:24am: mothra wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 10:16am: You didn't answer the question. It would depend on context. What would you find more offensive. A random truck driver leaning out the window calling you 'a fine piece of ass' or a male boss? Oh well!  A truck driver/building worker is a peon!  A boss is a higher order of being!  Get it right!!

Context is everything.

2 girls talking to each other.

Hey that fat ugly guy with psoriasis all over his face was TOTALLY eye raping you...yuck.
Zomg don't look now...that guy with the 6 pac is checking you out.

Gordon wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 10:33am:

mothra wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 10:26am: Gordon wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 10:24am: mothra wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 10:16am: You didn't answer the question. It would depend on context. What would you find more offensive. A random truck driver leaning out the window calling you 'a fine piece of ass' or a male boss? I would and have found it offensive wherever it is used. Really? When a building worker/truck driver says such a thing he's only making a physical observation and not in a position to deliver characterizations about personality. It's a throw away line.

Just don't get it, do you?

Would you be ok with your daughter being referred to as a fine piece of ass?

mothra wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 10:42am:

Gordon wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 10:33am: mothra wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 10:26am: Gordon wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 10:24am: mothra wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 10:16am: You didn't answer the question. It would depend on context. What would you find more offensive. A random truck driver leaning out the window calling you 'a fine piece of ass' or a male boss? I would and have found it offensive wherever it is used. Really? When a building worker/truck driver says such a thing he's only making a physical observation and not in a position to deliver characterizations about personality. It's a throw away line. Just don't get it, do you? Would you be ok with your daughter being referred to as a fine piece of ass?

It would depend on the context.

Gordon wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 10:52am:

mothra wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 10:42am: Gordon wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 10:33am: mothra wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 10:26am: Gordon wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 10:24am: mothra wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 10:16am: You didn't answer the question. It would depend on context. What would you find more offensive. A random truck driver leaning out the window calling you 'a fine piece of ass' or a male boss? I would and have found it offensive wherever it is used. Really? When a building worker/truck driver says such a thing he's only making a physical observation and not in a position to deliver characterizations about personality. It's a throw away line. Just don't get it, do you? Would you be ok with your daughter being referred to as a fine piece of ass? It would depend on the context.

So you wouldn't mind your daughter being referred to as a piece of ass in certain situations?

Sicko.

Just so you know, most women find it offensive.

mothra wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 10:02am:

It is context. A woman is not a "piece" of anything, let alone "ass". Would you like your daughter being referred to a a piece of ass?

And when someone tells you you're a "nasty piece of work"

what then?  ::)

Gnads wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 11:05am:

mothra wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 10:02am: It is context. A woman is not a "piece" of anything, let alone "ass". Would you like your daughter being referred to a a piece of ass? And when someone tells you you're a "nasty piece of work" what then?  ::)

Not even remotely comparable.

I don't use the yank term "ass" for derriere

the aussie word is A R S E.

An ass is a donkey.

You honestly protesteth too much

the terminally offended  ::)

Some of you should be grateful for the attention  8-)

Gnads wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 11:12am:

I don't use the yank term "ass" for derriere the aussie word is A R S E. An ass is a donkey. You honestly protesteth too much the terminally offended  ::) Some of you should be grateful for the attention  8-)

Why would we be "grateful for the attention"?

You think women are validated by men?

And you lot wonder why we need feminism .. jesus.

Gnads wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 11:12am:

I don't use the yank term "ass" for derriere the aussie word is A R S E. An ass is a donkey. You honestly protesteth too much the terminally offended  ::) Some of you should be grateful for the attention  8-)

There's a few on this board would'nt rate the attention

;) ;) ;) ;)

mothra wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 11:15am:

Gnads wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 11:12am: I don't use the yank term "ass" for derriere the aussie word is A R S E. An ass is a donkey. You honestly protesteth too much the terminally offended  ::) Some of you should be grateful for the attention  8-) Why would we be "grateful for the attention"? You think women are validated by men? And you lot wonder why we need feminism .. jesus.

No .... some of them are certainly invalid on their own without help.  ;D

You don't need affirmative action hidden behind the BS label of feminism and being run by feminazis

if you require affirmative action in every sphere of endeavor then to me it's obvious you're not suited.

mothra wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 10:57am:

Gordon wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 10:52am: mothra wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 10:42am: Gordon wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 10:33am: mothra wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 10:26am: Gordon wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 10:24am: mothra wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 10:16am: You didn't answer the question. It would depend on context. What would you find more offensive. A random truck driver leaning out the window calling you 'a fine piece of ass' or a male boss? I would and have found it offensive wherever it is used. Really? When a building worker/truck driver says such a thing he's only making a physical observation and not in a position to deliver characterizations about personality. It's a throw away line. Just don't get it, do you? Would you be ok with your daughter being referred to as a fine piece of ass? It would depend on the context. So you wouldn't mind your daughter being referred to as a piece of ass in certain situations? Sicko. Just so you know, most women find it offensive.

There we go, we were having a nice chat until you brought out the ad hom.

Please show me where I said I don't mind it? I'm just saying it's weighted differently depending on context.

If my daughter told me a guy on a construction site whistled at her and called her a fine piece of ass, I'd roll my eyes and say, see, I told you men are pigs. In that case it's poor taste, not a turn of phrase I like, but it's essentially meaningless. That person isn't judging my daughter other than in a crass but ultimately meaningless way.

The person most demeaned in my opinion is the construction worker for showing a lack of manners and decorum.

If she said she went for a job interview and the interviewer put her CV on the desk and said, you're a fine piece of ass,  I'd hold an entirely different view.

Gnads wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 11:20am:

mothra wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 11:15am: Gnads wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 11:12am: I don't use the yank term "ass" for derriere the aussie word is A R S E. An ass is a donkey. You honestly protesteth too much the terminally offended  ::) Some of you should be grateful for the attention  8-) Why would we be "grateful for the attention"? You think women are validated by men? And you lot wonder why we need feminism .. jesus. No .... some of them are certainly invalid on their own without help.  ;D You don't need affirmative action hidden behind the BS label of feminism and being run by feminazis if you require affirmative action in every sphere of endeavor then to me it's obvious you're not suited.

What you don't understand about the need for Affirmative Action is embarrassing for you.

Affirmative Action and What It Means for Women


Affirmative action programs have played a critical role in opening up opportunities for women and minorities to begin to take their rightful place in our society. But equal opportunity for women is still a long way off. Eliminating or curtailing affirmative action would not only halt the forward progress that women, as well as minorities, have been able to achieve; it would mark a giant leap backward in this nation’s journey toward equal opportunity for all.

Barriers to Advancement for Women Remain Pervasive

Discrimination against women is deeply rooted in our society. Though much progress has been made since the days when classified ads listed job openings for women and men separately and many prestigious universities were completely closed to women, sex discrimination persists today. New examples surface on an almost daily basis. Over 900 past and present women brokers at Merrill Lynch assert that they have experienced gender-based discrimination.(1) Officials at M.I.T. admit long-standing and pervasive discrimination against women on its faculty, reaching all areas of employment — hiring, awards, promotions, committee appointments, and allocation of research funding.(2) The EEOC settles a class action law suit on behalf of hundreds of women employees at a Mitsubishi plant who had endured sexually explicit verbal harassment and threats of sexual attack.(3) A woman relegated to 21 years behind a grocery store cash register is denied opportunities for training and advancement offered to male employees — including her own teenaged son.(4) A study reveals that a female musician has a 50% greater chance of advancing in the orchestra selection process if she performs behind a screen; if the judges can see that the player is female, she is much less likely to progress past the preliminary auditions and ultimately land a job.(5) Texaco agrees to give 186 of its female employees more than $3 million in back wages and pay adjustments to settle findings that the company consistently had paid women in professional and executive positions less than their male counterparts.(6)

The persistence of discrimination against women is demonstrated not only by horror stories like these but by abundant data as well. For example:

According to the March 1995 report of the Glass Ceiling Commission, 95 to 97% of the senior managers of Fortune 1000 industrial and Fortune 500 companies are male. In the Fortune 2000 industrial and service companies, only 5% of senior managers are women (and virtually all of these are white).(7) A 1999 report reveals that only 3.3% of the top-earning corporate officers in Fortune 500 companies are women.(8)

An earnings gap exists between women and men across a wide spectrum of occupations. In 1999, for example, full-time women physicians earned 62.5% of the weekly wages of male physicians, and women in sales occupations earned only 59.9% of the wages of men in equivalent positions.(9) A recent study of pediatricians on medical school faculties revealed a discrepancy between salaries of male and female professors at every rank.(10) Women working full-time, full-year still earn, on average, only 73 cents for every dollar earned by men.(11) Minority women fare significantly worse. An African-American woman earns just 63 cents to every dollar earned by white men while a Hispanic woman earns only 53 cents on the dollar.(12)

While women are over half the adult population(13) and nearly half the workforce in this country,(14) they remain disproportionately clustered in traditionally female jobs with lower pay and fewer benefits.(15) For example, in 1999 approximately one in four employed women worked in an administrative support or clerical job, and 78.7% of administrative workers in all industries are women.(16) And while approximately 98% of all secretaries, stenographers and typists are women, women’s salaries in these positions are only 90.1% that of their male counterparts.(17)

While the gender gap in higher education has all but disappeared with women now earning 55% of all bachelor’s and masters degrees, they still lag behind in many respects. Women earn only 39.9% of doctorate degrees, and remain under-represented in many areas not traditionally studied by women. According to the most recent available data, women receive only about 16% of undergraduate engineering degrees, 13% of doctorate degrees in engineering, and only 20% and 23% of doctorate degrees in mathematics and physical sciences. In the lucrative and growing field of computer sciences, women receive only about 28% of bachelor’s degrees and 15% of doctorates. Yet women still account for over 75% of recipients of undergraduate degrees in education, and 86% of those awarded in library sciences.(18)

Women remain severely under represented in most non-traditional professional occupations as well as blue collar trades. For example, women are only 10.6% of all engineers; 3.1% of airplane pilots and navigators; less than 2% of carpenters and auto mechanics; 15.7% of architects; and about one-quarter of doctors and lawyers. Women are 99% of dental hygienists, but are only 16.5% of dentists.(19)

As a result of the wage gap, 47% of women working full-time, full-year earn less than $25,000 per year, compared to only 29% of working men.(20)
Even where women have moved into occupations and professions in significant numbers, they have not moved up to the same degree. Women are 26.6% of lawyers, but only 14.5% of partners in large law firms.(21) Women are 73% of public school teachers, but only 34.5% of principals.(22) In 1994, women comprised 24% of medical school faculties but less than 10% of full professors and only 4% of department chairs.(23)

Women of color have lagged particularly far behind in both employment and education. For example, in 1998, the median weekly salary for Black women was $400 compared to $468 for white women and $615 for white men. Hispanic women earned a median weekly income of only $337.(24) Even in sectors where women have made inroads into management, minority women continue to be underrepresented. In the banking industry, only 2.6% of executive, managerial and administrative jobs were held by Black women, and 5% by Hispanic women, compared to 37.6% by white women.(25) In the hospital industry, Black and Hispanic women each held 4.6% of these jobs, while white women held 50.2%.(26) At the top, women of color represented only 11.2% of all corporate officers in Fortune 500 companies.(27) Women of color also earn fewer college degrees than white women. In 1997, white women made up 39% of college undergraduates and 42% of graduate students; minority women were only 16% of undergraduates and 10% of graduate students.(28)

Although white men constitute a minority of the total work force (46%),(29) they dominate the top jobs in virtually every field.(30) Moreover, white males’ median weekly earnings in 1999 were 32% higher than those of any other group in America. A white man earns, on average for full-time work, almost 56% more than a Black woman, and over 83% more than a Hispanic woman.(31)

Although some women choose to devote themselves to family concerns or to jobs with lower pay for a range of reasons, such choices do not fully explain the disparities between men’s and women’s salaries. One study shows that after about 11 years on medical school faculties, 23% of men but only 5% of women had achieved the rank of full professor – and the gap persisted when researchers held constant the number of hours worked per week.(32) Another study, of graduates of the University of Michigan Law School from 1972 through 1975, revealed significant wage differentials between male and female lawyers after 15 years of practice, even when hours of work, family responsibilities and other variables were held constant.(33) These women have made the same career choices as men, worked the same hours as men, yet still earn less.

Sex discrimination, including sexual harassment, continues to be a serious barrier to the advancement of women. In 1999, nearly 24,000 individual sex discrimination complaints were filed with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission.(34) This number includes over 15,200 sexual harassment claims – up significantly from the 10,500 filed in 1992.(35) A 1998 national survey found that the majority, 64%, of American women do not think employers are doing a good job in treating women fairly for pay and promotions.(36) In a 1994 survey by the Labor Department, 61% of women surveyed said they had little or no likelihood of advancement; and 14% of white women and 26% of women of color reported losing a job or promotion because of sex or race.(37) The March 1995 Glass Ceiling Commission report cites another survey finding that 25% of the women surveyed felt that “being a woman/sexism: was the biggest obstacle they had to overcome, and 59% said they had personally experienced sexual harassment on the job.”(38)

A multi-year study of sex and race discrimination in employment that is now under way measures intentional discrimination by comparing employment patterns reported by individual business establishments with those in peer establishments operating in the same industry, in the same local labor market and employing workers in the same occupational group, based on data submitted by these businesses to the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. According to the study’s findings in the first two states it has examined, 25% of the establishments in Washington State and over 28% of the establishments in Georgia were discriminating against women in at least one occupational category in 1997.(39)

What Is Affirmative Action for Women?

In employment, examples of affirmative action programs are recruitment and outreach efforts to include qualified women in the talent pool when hiring decisions are made; training programs to give all employees a fair chance at promotions; and in some cases the use of flexible goals and timetable (not quotas) as benchmarks by which to measure progress toward eliminating severe under-representation of qualified women in specific job categories.

In education, affirmative action programs for women include grants and graduate fellowship programs aimed at helping women move into fields where their participation has been discouraged, such as engineering, math and the physical sciences. They also include programs to prepare and motivate girls and women for study in non-traditional fields.

For women business owners, affirmative action programs include laws that encourage government agencies and contractors to do business with qualified women-owned companies, as well as programs providing financial, management and technical assistance to women business owners.

Affirmative Action Works
Affirmative action programs make a difference. A government study showed that women made greater gains in employment at companies doing business with the federal government, and therefore subject to federal affirmative action requirements, than at other companies: female employment rose 15.2% at federal contractors, and only 2.2% elsewhere. The same study showed that federal contractors employed women at higher levels and in better paying jobs than other firms.(40)

Many individual companies that have adopted affirmative action plans have demonstrated the impact on women. For example, after IBM set up its affirmative action program, its number of female officials and managers more than tripled in less than ten years.(41) Corporate commitment to women and minorities enabled Corning to double its number of female and black employees and increase the proportion of women managers to 29%.(42) Motorola has been rewarded with an increased representation of women and people of color in upper-level management. The company had two women and six persons of color as vice president in 1989, but boasts 33 female and 40 minority vice presidents today.(43)

Affirmative action requirements have changed entire industries. In 1978, the Labor Department’s Office of Federal Contract Compliance (OFCCP) reviewed the employment practices of the five largest banks in Cleveland. Three years later, the percentage of women officials and managers at these institutions had risen more than 20%. When OFCCP first looked at the coal mining industry in 1973, there were no women coal miners. By 1980, 8.7% were women.(44)

Litigation against police and fire departments has resulted in affirmative action plans that have produced dramatic increases in the employment of women (and minorities) in these fields as well.(45) In 1983, for example, women made up 9.4% of the nation’s police, and 1% of firefighters. Sixteen years later, women are 16.9% of police, and 2.8% of firefighters.(46)

Women-owned businesses, which have also benefitted from affirmative action requirements, have increased since 1987 by 103%. Today, there are nearly 9.1 million woman-owned businesses, employing over 27.5 million people.(47)

Affirmative Action Is Not Quotas or Handouts for the Unqualified

Affirmative action is not “quotas” nor the substitution of numerical dictates for merit-based decisions. Some affirmative action plans include the management tools of numerical goals or targets for representation of women or minorities, and timetables for meeting those objectives. But the courts have held that these goals and timetables must be flexible and take into account such factors as the availability of qualified candidates. They may not constitute “blind hiring by the numbers;” if they do, they are unlawful.

The program that imposes affirmative action requirements on federal contractors, under Executive Order No. 11246, expressly states that “Goals may not be rigid and inflexible quotas which must be met, but must be targets reasonably attainable by means of applying every good faith effort to make all aspects of the entire affirmative action program work.”(48)

Johnson v. Transportation Agency of Santa Clara County, illustrates the use of flexible goals in practice.(49) There were no women in the agency’s 238 “skilled craft worker” positions, which included road dispatchers. Under its affirmative action plan, the agency set a target for increased employment of women in this category (and others in which they had been under-represented), and in its effort to meet the goal it took gender into account in deciding to promote a woman, rather than a man with substantially equal qualifications, to road dispatcher. Gender was only one factor among many considered, and the woman who received the promotion was fully qualified for the job. The Supreme Court ruled that this constituted a reasonable approach to eliminating an obvious gender imbalance in the workforce.

Research confirms that affirmative action does not lower the quality of workers’ performance on the job. In a 1996 study of the performance of new hires by over 3,200 employers, economists from Michigan State University compared the performance of employees who were identified as having benefitted from an affirmative action plan with the performance of white men in comparable jobs and other employees hired without affirmative action. The researchers concluded that there is “essentially no performance shortfall” among most groups of women and persons of color hired under affirmative action programs.(50)

A 1998 study concluded, further, that affirmative action increases the number of recruitment and screening practices used by employers, increases the number of minority or female applicants as well as employees, and increases employers’ tendencies to provide training and to formally evaluate employees. The researchers also found that when affirmative action is used in recruiting, it does not lead to lower credentials or performance of women and minorities hired.(51)

Finally, no evidence supports the notion that “reverse discrimination” is widespread. According to a report commissioned by the Labor Department, very few complaints of reverse discrimination are filed and the great majority of those claims lack merit. Of over 3,000 reported discrimination opinions from federal courts, fewer than 100 involved claims of reverse discrimination; in only six individual cases was the claim substantiated. In one claim rejected by the courts, two employees who were dismissed for sleeping on the job alleged that they were fired so their company could replace them with a person of color or a woman. Not surprisingly, they could offer no evidence to support this accusation.(52)

https://nwlc.org/resources/affirmative-action-and-what-it-means-women/

For God's sake it is just a saying, albeit a pretty crass one, but it is still just a saying meaning they find someone attractive.  It wouldn't be a turn of phrase that I would relish but it is just an expression and not one to take offence over.

I can look at women and think they have nice boobs and women can look at men and think they have a nice butt.    It doesn't mean they want to rape or demean them.

Some people get offended when the wind blows.   It must be miserable to live life that way.

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 12:05pm:

For God's sake it is just a saying, albeit a pretty crass one, but it is still just a saying meaning they find someone attractive.  It wouldn't be a turn of phrase that I would relish but it is just an expression and not one to take offence over. I can look at women and think they have nice boobs and women can look at men and think they have a nice butt.    It doesn't mean they want to rape or demean them. Some people get offended when the wind blows.   It must be miserable to live life that way.

Another one who can't read.

Where did i say you can't appreciate how someone looks?

mothra wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 12:10pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 12:05pm: For God's sake it is just a saying, albeit a pretty crass one, but it is still just a saying meaning they find someone attractive.  It wouldn't be a turn of phrase that I would relish but it is just an expression and not one to take offence over. I can look at women and think they have nice boobs and women can look at men and think they have a nice butt.    It doesn't mean they want to rape or demean them. Some people get offended when the wind blows.   It must be miserable to live life that way. Another one who can't read. Where did i say you can't appreciate how someone looks?

To be honest you don't seem to appreciate ANYTHING a man says or might say.

You spend far too much time being offended by their every breath.

Feminazis like you have totally ruined the true intent behind feminism and equality and turned it into something hideous.

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 12:13pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 12:10pm: Black Orchid wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 12:05pm: For God's sake it is just a saying, albeit a pretty crass one, but it is still just a saying meaning they find someone attractive.  It wouldn't be a turn of phrase that I would relish but it is just an expression and not one to take offence over. I can look at women and think they have nice boobs and women can look at men and think they have a nice butt.    It doesn't mean they want to rape or demean them. Some people get offended when the wind blows.   It must be miserable to live life that way. Another one who can't read. Where did i say you can't appreciate how someone looks? To be honest you don't seem to appreciate ANYTHING a man says or might say. You spend far too much time being offended by their every breath.

You are, as usual, quite wrong.

I love men and appreciate a compliment as much as the next woman.

I just don't like being called a piece of ass.

Is that alright with you?

mothra wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 12:14pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 12:13pm: mothra wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 12:10pm: Black Orchid wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 12:05pm: For God's sake it is just a saying, albeit a pretty crass one, but it is still just a saying meaning they find someone attractive.  It wouldn't be a turn of phrase that I would relish but it is just an expression and not one to take offence over. I can look at women and think they have nice boobs and women can look at men and think they have a nice butt.    It doesn't mean they want to rape or demean them. Some people get offended when the wind blows.   It must be miserable to live life that way. Another one who can't read. Where did i say you can't appreciate how someone looks? To be honest you don't seem to appreciate ANYTHING a man says or might say. You spend far too much time being offended by their every breath. You are, as usual, quite wrong. I love men and appreciate a compliment as much as the next woman. I just don't like being called a piece of ass. Is that alright with you?

To be perfectly honest I don't think you will ever have to be worried about being called that anyway.  So save the offence.

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 12:16pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 12:14pm: Black Orchid wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 12:13pm: mothra wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 12:10pm: Black Orchid wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 12:05pm: For God's sake it is just a saying, albeit a pretty crass one, but it is still just a saying meaning they find someone attractive.  It wouldn't be a turn of phrase that I would relish but it is just an expression and not one to take offence over. I can look at women and think they have nice boobs and women can look at men and think they have a nice butt.    It doesn't mean they want to rape or demean them. Some people get offended when the wind blows.   It must be miserable to live life that way. Another one who can't read. Where did i say you can't appreciate how someone looks? To be honest you don't seem to appreciate ANYTHING a man says or might say. You spend far too much time being offended by their every breath. You are, as usual, quite wrong. I love men and appreciate a compliment as much as the next woman. I just don't like being called a piece of ass. Is that alright with you? To be perfectly honest I don't think you will ever have to be worried about being called that anyway.  So save the offence.

How would you know?

Does it make you feel empowered to put other women down for the way you perceive they look, BO?

Have you tried other ways of going about it ?

mothra wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 12:14pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 12:13pm: mothra wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 12:10pm: Black Orchid wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 12:05pm: For God's sake it is just a saying, albeit a pretty crass one, but it is still just a saying meaning they find someone attractive.  It wouldn't be a turn of phrase that I would relish but it is just an expression and not one to take offence over. I can look at women and think they have nice boobs and women can look at men and think they have a nice butt.    It doesn't mean they want to rape or demean them. Some people get offended when the wind blows.   It must be miserable to live life that way. Another one who can't read. Where did i say you can't appreciate how someone looks? To be honest you don't seem to appreciate ANYTHING a man says or might say. You spend far too much time being offended by their every breath. You are, as usual, quite wrong. I love men and appreciate a compliment as much as the next woman. I just don't like being called a piece of ass. Is that alright with you?

So it's simply that expression?
What about a bit of crumpet?

mothra wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 12:24pm:

Does it make you feel empowered to put other women down for the way you perceive they look, BO? Have you tried other ways of going about it ?

Apparently it is you who cannot read.

I have no idea what you look like and I couldn't care less.  It's the way you come across.

Perhaps it is you who should try other ways?

X

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 12:50pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 12:24pm: Does it make you feel empowered to put other women down for the way you perceive they look, BO? Have you tried other ways of going about it ? Apparently it is you who cannot read. I have no idea what you look like and I couldn't care less.  It's the way you come across. Perhaps it is you who should try other ways?

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/fb/fb44a9f6d5fdde66f5deb70759ee2aa1e19ed934fb19838223fd9408c628d913.jpg

No backpedalling whatsoever.  You seem incapable of understanding anything that doesn't align with your jackboots.

Anyway, enjoy your fight I have more pressing things to do.

http://www.mememaker.net/static/images/memes/4368127.jpg

A few dozen silly memes won't make it true.  Not even close.

I have to go though.  Don't be too offended   :D

http://memecrunch.com/meme/71LIO/backpedal/image.jpg

Mothra, whatever are your thought on Callington someone a bit of crumpet?

Gordon wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 1:09pm:

Mothra, whatever are your thought on Callington someone a bit of crumpet?

Not gender specific now. is it.

mothra wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 1:10pm:

Gordon wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 1:09pm: Mothra, whatever are your thought on Callington someone a bit of crumpet? Not gender specific now. is it.

Is fine piece of ass gender specific?
https://www.getyarn.io/yarn-clip/6a583257-bdad-4a5b-ae80-70a8d0214bc4

A woman calling a woman a piece of ass

https://www.getyarn.io/yarn-clip/69cf237a-2387-4966-b0cd-5804fec8cf5d

Gordon wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 1:19pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 1:10pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 1:09pm: Mothra, whatever are your thought on Callington someone a bit of crumpet? Not gender specific now. is it. Is fine piece of ass gender specific? https://www.getyarn.io/yarn-clip/6a583257-bdad-4a5b-ae80-70a8d0214bc4

Generally, yes.

Gordy, what are you actually arguing? You yourself said that if a man called your daughter that, you would tell her "i told you men were pigs".

Now, imagine if i said that?

BO would be apoplectic!

Gordon wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 1:21pm:

A woman calling a woman a piece of ass https://www.getyarn.io/yarn-clip/69cf237a-2387-4966-b0cd-5804fec8cf5d

SO? You think all women are respectful?

mothra wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 1:22pm:

Gordon wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 1:19pm: mothra wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 1:10pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 1:09pm: Mothra, whatever are your thought on Callington someone a bit of crumpet? Not gender specific now. is it. Is fine piece of ass gender specific? https://www.getyarn.io/yarn-clip/6a583257-bdad-4a5b-ae80-70a8d0214bc4 Generally, yes. Gordy, what are you actually arguing? You yourself said that if a man called your daughter that, you would tell her "i told you men were pigs". Now, imagine if i said that? BO would be apoplectic!

I'm just saying for me, the level of offense would be dictated by it's context.

Some guy shouting something from the scaffolding 5 levels up is crass, yet meaningless.

Gordon wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 1:24pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 1:22pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 1:19pm: mothra wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 1:10pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 1:09pm: Mothra, whatever are your thought on Callington someone a bit of crumpet? Not gender specific now. is it. Is fine piece of ass gender specific? https://www.getyarn.io/yarn-clip/6a583257-bdad-4a5b-ae80-70a8d0214bc4 Generally, yes. Gordy, what are you actually arguing? You yourself said that if a man called your daughter that, you would tell her "i told you men were pigs". Now, imagine if i said that? BO would be apoplectic! I'm just saying for me, the level of offense would be dictated by it's context. Some guy shouting something from the scaffolding 5 levels up is crass, yet meaningless.

Meaningless? To the woman hearing it?

I'm  woman and am telling you it's not meaningless.

You yourself called the hypothetical men "pigs".

Quite a strong word for a meaningless comment, isn't it?

mothra wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 1:27pm:

Gordon wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 1:24pm: mothra wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 1:22pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 1:19pm: mothra wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 1:10pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 1:09pm: Mothra, whatever are your thought on Callington someone a bit of crumpet? Not gender specific now. is it. Is fine piece of ass gender specific? https://www.getyarn.io/yarn-clip/6a583257-bdad-4a5b-ae80-70a8d0214bc4 Generally, yes. Gordy, what are you actually arguing? You yourself said that if a man called your daughter that, you would tell her "i told you men were pigs". Now, imagine if i said that? BO would be apoplectic! I'm just saying for me, the level of offense would be dictated by it's context. Some guy shouting something from the scaffolding 5 levels up is crass, yet meaningless. Meaningless? To the woman hearing it? I'm  woman and am telling you it's not meaningless. You yourself called the hypothetical men "pigs". Quite a strong word for a meaningless comment, isn't it?

Yes but you're speaking for yourself right, not the entire female population?

Did i claim to be speaking for the entire female population?

Are you speaking for the entire male population when you call these hypothetical men pigs?

mothra wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 1:36pm:

Did i claim to be speaking for the entire female population? Are you speaking for the entire male population when you call these hypothetical men pigs?

*my opinions are entirely my own.

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 9:35am:

Valkie wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 5:28am: Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 12:58am: 'objectification of women'?  You mean a man can no longer follow his natural instincts and place a high value on a fine piece of ass? Grow up.... Come on, you know that is not what I'm talking about. Every man likes to look at a nice female, except for some strange ones that prefer other men, dogs, cats, sheep, goats and shoes. By objectification I mean they are seen as nothing more than chattel, something to be owned, have no self worth but are objects to be treated as such. This objectification is the unseen chains that bind women in THE CULT to the horrors of this cult. Its not objectification to appreciate a nice looking female, unless you do it openly and with malicious intent. Seriously though, Valk - in this day and age, how much of that really goes on?  And how much is nothing more than the ingrained different natures of men and women - something nowhere more apparent that in boys and girls at public school?  The point is that the two natures CAN make a great team - a fine blending of opposites - but they are - like NRL and NBL - two different approaches to a ball game and cannot be played against one another. I think the malicious intent is more than 'objectification', though in order to view a woman as just something to shag is definitely making an object of her.  In that case, why then has it become a crime for a man to love his woman and seek to maintain their steady partnership? Again, such overly-theorised non-reasoning on an emotional basis by those who espouse 'feminism' offers a clear opportunity to label such Feminazis, since they seek to impose a governance by violence and threat over a social group, in defiance of the natural inclinations of the human race. I suppose, as a footnote, that those who hold such non-reasoning could be excluded from the human race........ not fit to govern, etc... entitled to their opinion but never permitted to take over running the show and turning it into a lunatic asylum, just one point of view that has ZERO 'right' to exclude opposing views based on some absurd presumption of academic superiority and support.  A fine example was Labor's Steve Smith from Darkest Western Australia wanting to shove women willy-nilly into Direct Combat, then waffling that it is now a Right ™ for them to apply and try but they simply can't make the grade .... educated smart and full of theory but thick as two planks nailed end to end in the real world (are they still advertising all those little girlies on fork lifts signing up for a year in the Army?) .... and one has to ponder the fate of his students back home under that mentality, which says 'adhere to MY line or fail'..... some academic smarts right there, and we laugh at Islam and 'everything is already written down' etc....

Are you blind????????

THE CULT objectifies women, its the only way they know how to deal with them.

Segregation, not allowed to mix.
Burquas to keep them isolated
Thye have no rights or less rights than men
They are bartered for, sold as child brides
Shall I go on................................................OPEN YOUR EYES.

Or do we just do what the feminazi do and pretend it don't happen?

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 12:57am:

Define 'gender equality' for me... You mean women can't vote, can't work, can't get an education, can't pay taxes, can't get a loan, can't own a car, can't buy a house, can't do pretty much what they want legal or sometimes otherwise? What am I missing here?  Where is this 'gender equality'?

Gender inequality exists in the pay scales and the positions held by women.  It exists in the way that men think about and look at them.  To many, they see sex-objects, things to be started at and lusted after, to be portrayed in the media, magazines on the internet for their pleasure.   Hardly equal, now are they?    ::) ::)

Well I have never been treated like that and when I was young I earned more money than any of my male friends.

I don't work now and don't have to.

Perhaps it's all in the attitude.   Too many people have far higher expectations now than what they are worth and often hold these expectations because of their gender.

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 5:25pm:

Well I have never been treated like that and when I was young I earned more money than any of my male friends. I don't work now and don't have to. Perhaps it's all in the attitude.   Too many people have far higher expectations now than what they are worth and often hold these expectations because of their gender.

Or alternativey, it is is a lie to claim that women are equal to men?

Today, there is an increasing gender pay gap.   Men tend to ignore this.  Women don't understand it.  The reality is though, it does exist.

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 5:07pm:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 12:57am: Define 'gender equality' for me... You mean women can't vote, can't work, can't get an education, can't pay taxes, can't get a loan, can't own a car, can't buy a house, can't do pretty much what they want legal or sometimes otherwise? What am I missing here?  Where is this 'gender equality'? Gender inequality exists in the pay scales and the positions held by women.  It exists in the way that men think about and look at them.  To many, they see sex-objects, things to be started at and lusted after, to be portrayed in the media, magazines on the internet for their pleasure.   Hardly equal, now are they?    ::) ::)

Here we go again.

I wish!
These women get paid good dollars to be stared at, that's why they become models, and this don't happen to men?
I have been in a room when women start going off about a particular actor/ footballer/ model.

I once worked security for some male strippers, never again.
Men are far more in control and less problematic than women.
Men, unless totally drunk, keep their hands to themselves and go home without much trouble.
Women........Its disgusting. I was propositioned by 12 women at this venue, and I'm an ugly bastard.

Women treat men as sex objects and men treat women as sex objects.
That, my friend, is life.

Both women and men dress to be admired, to be stared at.
If a woman wears a tiny, short skirt and open top, guess what?....Men will stare.
If a man wears an open top and looks good, guess what?...... Women will stare, and often more.

But what about the women only gyms, but men are not allowed to have men only clubs eh? That's hardly equal?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15uO8Za5Wc4

Valkie wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 5:14am:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 5:07pm: Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 12:57am: Define 'gender equality' for me... You mean women can't vote, can't work, can't get an education, can't pay taxes, can't get a loan, can't own a car, can't buy a house, can't do pretty much what they want legal or sometimes otherwise? What am I missing here?  Where is this 'gender equality'? Gender inequality exists in the pay scales and the positions held by women.  It exists in the way that men think about and look at them.  To many, they see sex-objects, things to be started at and lusted after, to be portrayed in the media, magazines on the internet for their pleasure.   Hardly equal, now are they?    ::) ::) Here we go again. I wish! These women get paid good dollars to be stared at, that's why they become models, and this don't happen to men? I have been in a room when women start going off about a particular actor/ footballer/ model. I once worked security for some male strippers, never again. Men are far more in control and less problematic than women. Men, unless totally drunk, keep their hands to themselves and go home without much trouble. Women........Its disgusting. I was propositioned by 12 women at this venue, and I'm an ugly bastard. Women treat men as sex objects and men treat women as sex objects. That, my friend, is life. Both women and men dress to be admired, to be stared at. If a woman wears a tiny, short skirt and open top, guess what?....Men will stare. If a man wears an open top and looks good, guess what?...... Women will stare, and often more. But what about the women only gyms, but men are not allowed to have men only clubs eh? That's hardly equal?

Your comment is nonsensical.  It fails to address the very real pay gap which exists between the Genders in Western and in particular Australian society.   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 6:20pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 5:25pm: Well I have never been treated like that and when I was young I earned more money than any of my male friends. I don't work now and don't have to. Perhaps it's all in the attitude.   Too many people have far higher expectations now than what they are worth and often hold these expectations because of their gender. Or alternativey, it is is a lie to claim that women are equal to men? Today, there is an increasing gender pay gap.   Men tend to ignore this.  Women don't understand it.  The reality is though, it does exist.

It's not a lie: women get all the highpaying jobs when young to lure customers!

Valkie wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 5:14am:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 5:07pm: Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 12:57am: Define 'gender equality' for me... You mean women can't vote, can't work, can't get an education, can't pay taxes, can't get a loan, can't own a car, can't buy a house, can't do pretty much what they want legal or sometimes otherwise? What am I missing here?  Where is this 'gender equality'? Gender inequality exists in the pay scales and the positions held by women.  It exists in the way that men think about and look at them.  To many, they see sex-objects, things to be started at and lusted after, to be portrayed in the media, magazines on the internet for their pleasure.   Hardly equal, now are they?    ::) ::) Here we go again. I wish! These women get paid good dollars to be stared at, that's why they become models, and this don't happen to men? I have been in a room when women start going off about a particular actor/ footballer/ model. I once worked security for some male strippers, never again. Men are far more in control and less problematic than women. Men, unless totally drunk, keep their hands to themselves and go home without much trouble. Women........Its disgusting. I was propositioned by 12 women at this venue, and I'm an ugly bastard. Women treat men as sex objects and men treat women as sex objects. That, my friend, is life. Both women and men dress to be admired, to be stared at. If a woman wears a tiny, short skirt and open top, guess what?....Men will stare. If a man wears an open top and looks good, guess what?...... Women will stare, and often more. But what about the women only gyms, but men are not allowed to have men only clubs eh? That's hardly equal?

On the women only gyms it's not what you think it's about actually.
One of Mrs Gordy's mates is a PT who works at Fernwood.

Most of her clients are women who woke up one morning in their early 50s and looked in the mirror and saw a great big bag of shhittt that hasn't worked out for 20 years looking back at them.

When they go to a regular gym, young guys ignore them like they're  invisible and older guys are busy perving at the fit girls.

The ones they feel most intimidated working out in front of, and who they feel they are judged most harshly by is...other women, younger, fitter, slimmer women.

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 3:09pm:

Valkie wrote on Nov 17th, 2016 at 5:14am: Brian Ross wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 5:07pm: Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 12:57am: Define 'gender equality' for me... You mean women can't vote, can't work, can't get an education, can't pay taxes, can't get a loan, can't own a car, can't buy a house, can't do pretty much what they want legal or sometimes otherwise? What am I missing here?  Where is this 'gender equality'? Gender inequality exists in the pay scales and the positions held by women.  It exists in the way that men think about and look at them.  To many, they see sex-objects, things to be started at and lusted after, to be portrayed in the media, magazines on the internet for their pleasure.   Hardly equal, now are they?    ::) ::) Here we go again. I wish! These women get paid good dollars to be stared at, that's why they become models, and this don't happen to men? I have been in a room when women start going off about a particular actor/ footballer/ model. I once worked security for some male strippers, never again. Men are far more in control and less problematic than women. Men, unless totally drunk, keep their hands to themselves and go home without much trouble. Women........Its disgusting. I was propositioned by 12 women at this venue, and I'm an ugly bastard. Women treat men as sex objects and men treat women as sex objects. That, my friend, is life. Both women and men dress to be admired, to be stared at. If a woman wears a tiny, short skirt and open top, guess what?....Men will stare. If a man wears an open top and looks good, guess what?...... Women will stare, and often more. But what about the women only gyms, but men are not allowed to have men only clubs eh? That's hardly equal? Your comment is nonsensical.  It fails to address the very real pay gap which exists between the Genders in Western and in particular Australian society.   ::) ::)

You get paid what you are worth, gender does not come into it other than in the minds of Feminazis.

You dont think some men are underpaid?
You think all women are underpaid?

Sorry but its simple math, if you are worth more you get more.
I have worked for female bosses worth every cent of their pay, and they were paid well.
I have also worked under women who are incompetent and whinge about being underpaid.

I have see no evidence of this gender pay problem that Feminazis go on about.

I have seen evidence of women being promoted beyond their capability because they scream and complain.

Valkie has a point: some women never stop screaming ' all men are pigs' and everyone else just kowtows to the victim...

Do these women ever care about men being subjected to endless demands of free drinks at the bar by pill-popping freaks who want no strings attached but still want strings attached?

Women who hate their daddykins are dangerous and usually also hate their sister and make them do stuff for they're easier to manipulate and practise on than their average prey.

Their sisters always tell and thus make their predaory sister becomes well known in the family as unlovable very quickly!

(...ooops, they also hate mummy for possibly very real possibility!)

Valkie wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 4:09pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 17th, 2016 at 3:09pm: Valkie wrote on Nov 17th, 2016 at 5:14am: Brian Ross wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 5:07pm: Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 12:57am: Define 'gender equality' for me... You mean women can't vote, can't work, can't get an education, can't pay taxes, can't get a loan, can't own a car, can't buy a house, can't do pretty much what they want legal or sometimes otherwise? What am I missing here?  Where is this 'gender equality'? Gender inequality exists in the pay scales and the positions held by women.  It exists in the way that men think about and look at them.  To many, they see sex-objects, things to be started at and lusted after, to be portrayed in the media, magazines on the internet for their pleasure.   Hardly equal, now are they?    ::) ::) Here we go again. I wish! These women get paid good dollars to be stared at, that's why they become models, and this don't happen to men? I have been in a room when women start going off about a particular actor/ footballer/ model. I once worked security for some male strippers, never again. Men are far more in control and less problematic than women. Men, unless totally drunk, keep their hands to themselves and go home without much trouble. Women........Its disgusting. I was propositioned by 12 women at this venue, and I'm an ugly bastard. Women treat men as sex objects and men treat women as sex objects. That, my friend, is life. Both women and men dress to be admired, to be stared at. If a woman wears a tiny, short skirt and open top, guess what?....Men will stare. If a man wears an open top and looks good, guess what?...... Women will stare, and often more. But what about the women only gyms, but men are not allowed to have men only clubs eh? That's hardly equal? Your comment is nonsensical.  It fails to address the very real pay gap which exists between the Genders in Western and in particular Australian society.   ::) ::) You get paid what you are worth, gender does not come into it other than in the minds of Feminazis.

And men of Academia and the Government.  Wake up to your childishness!   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 5:02pm:

Valkie wrote on Nov 17th, 2016 at 4:09pm: Brian Ross wrote on Nov 17th, 2016 at 3:09pm: Valkie wrote on Nov 17th, 2016 at 5:14am: Brian Ross wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 5:07pm: Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 12:57am: Define 'gender equality' for me... You mean women can't vote, can't work, can't get an education, can't pay taxes, can't get a loan, can't own a car, can't buy a house, can't do pretty much what they want legal or sometimes otherwise? What am I missing here?  Where is this 'gender equality'? Gender inequality exists in the pay scales and the positions held by women.  It exists in the way that men think about and look at them.  To many, they see sex-objects, things to be started at and lusted after, to be portrayed in the media, magazines on the internet for their pleasure.   Hardly equal, now are they?    ::) ::) Here we go again. I wish! These women get paid good dollars to be stared at, that's why they become models, and this don't happen to men? I have been in a room when women start going off about a particular actor/ footballer/ model. I once worked security for some male strippers, never again. Men are far more in control and less problematic than women. Men, unless totally drunk, keep their hands to themselves and go home without much trouble. Women........Its disgusting. I was propositioned by 12 women at this venue, and I'm an ugly bastard. Women treat men as sex objects and men treat women as sex objects. That, my friend, is life. Both women and men dress to be admired, to be stared at. If a woman wears a tiny, short skirt and open top, guess what?....Men will stare. If a man wears an open top and looks good, guess what?...... Women will stare, and often more. But what about the women only gyms, but men are not allowed to have men only clubs eh? That's hardly equal? Your comment is nonsensical.  It fails to address the very real pay gap which exists between the Genders in Western and in particular Australian society.   ::) ::) You get paid what you are worth, gender does not come into it other than in the minds of Feminazis. And men of Academia and the Government.  Wake up to your childishness!   ::)

What about the men not of academia and government?