Yeah, I know it doesn't matter, but the fact remains that the MAJORITY of Americans prefer Clinton to Trump and the only reason he is president is because of an outdated 18th-century convention ...

Yes, it appears that she won 48% of the vote while Mr Trump only received 47%.

Reminds me of the 1998 Australian Federal election when Labor/Beazley won 51% of the vote, but lost the election to John Howard and the corrupt Liberal Party.

AiA wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 3:48am:

Yeah, I know it doesn't matter, but the fact remains that the MAJORITY of Americans prefer Clinton to Trump and the only reason he is president is because of an outdated 18th-century convention ...

but that outdated 18th century convention was fine when Clinton got elected??....

its strange but it really is what trump says..



if its wrong  why didnt the Democrats change it????

Clinton complained about trump not paying tax... yet she never changed the system which he used legally....she also never exposed any of her very own very  rich  donators who use the same system.. funny that..


if anyone abuses anything at all its the Clintons....

she has had massive problems for years but they have huge clout in Washington where it counts....

one thing I do hope happens here is all the the things trump has been saying about her are investigated and proved either way......she has been in politics for 30 years I would hate to think she had a huge cover up for 30 years.... I think that would be shattering to be honest...

.so yes lets find her innocent...for all our sakes.. we need to believe in something and hope not all idols have feet of clay.

All the votes aren't in yet as far as I can see.
But the map's certainly in and all that red is hurting my eyes.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:14am:

Yes, it appears that she won 48% of the vote while Mr Trump only received 47%. Reminds me of the 1998 Australian Federal election when Labor/Beazley won 51% of the vote, but lost the election to John Howard and the corrupt Liberal Party.

\ by the same token Pauline Hanson had over a million primary votes the first time round and still lost...

now you would be happy with that result I am sure..

this is the trouble with an y system   you cant sulk when it doesnt work for you...

it is the same system....it wasnt changed midstream.

preferences are a horror vote.. but its what we have. ::) ::)

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:27am:

All the votes aren't in yet as far as I can see. But the map's certainly in and all that red is hurting my eyes.

dont tell me you are going to be a sharkie and celebrate till next week boges...

i'm still trying to figure out why they use the college system  ... it seems so undemocratic to me

cods wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:28am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10th, 2016 at 9:14am: Yes, it appears that she won 48% of the vote while Mr Trump only received 47%. Reminds me of the 1998 Australian Federal election when Labor/Beazley won 51% of the vote, but lost the election to John Howard and the corrupt Liberal Party. \ by the same token Pauline Hanson had over a million primary votes the first time round and still lost... now you would be happy with that result I am sure.. this is the trouble with an y system   you cant sulk when it doesnt work for you... it is the same system....it wasnt changed midstream. preferences are a horror vote.. but its what we have. ::) ::)

I don't remember sulking.

cods wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:28am:

\ by the same token Pauline Hanson had over a million primary votes the first time round and still lost...

a million? spread out across the country that's not much at all.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:32am:

cods wrote on Nov 10th, 2016 at 9:28am: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10th, 2016 at 9:14am: Yes, it appears that she won 48% of the vote while Mr Trump only received 47%. Reminds me of the 1998 Australian Federal election when Labor/Beazley won 51% of the vote, but lost the election to John Howard and the corrupt Liberal Party. \ by the same token Pauline Hanson had over a million primary votes the first time round and still lost... now you would be happy with that result I am sure.. this is the trouble with an y system   you cant sulk when it doesnt work for you... it is the same system....it wasnt changed midstream. preferences are a horror vote.. but its what we have. ::) ::) I don't remember sulking.

I didnt say YOU did..

but AiA is... complaining about a system thats been in effect since the 18th c...

John Smith wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:34am:

cods wrote on Nov 10th, 2016 at 9:28am: \ by the same token Pauline Hanson had over a million primary votes the first time round and still lost... a million? spread out across the country that's not much at all.

maybe to you but its better than someone =who falls over the line with 39 preference votes...


well it is to me.. anyway... but I will leave you with it.

John Smith wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:30am:

i'm still trying to figure out why they use the college system  ... it seems so undemocratic to me

It is strange, that's for sure.

"The system was established to ensure regional balance — it makes it mathematically impossible for a candidate with large amounts of support in just one region to overwhelm the vote."

"The founding fathers established it in the Constitution as a compromise between election of the President by a vote in Congress and election of the President by a popular vote of qualified citizens."

"The reason that the Constitution calls for this extra layer, rather than just providing for the direct election of the president, is that most of the nation’s founders were actually rather afraid of democracy. James Madison worried about what he called “factions,” which he defined as groups of citizens who have a common interest in some proposal that would either violate the rights of other citizens or would harm the nation as a whole. Madison’s fear — which Alexis de Tocqueville later dubbed “the tyranny of the majority” — was that a faction could grow to encompass more than 50% of the population, at which point it could “sacrifice to its ruling passion or interest both the public good and the rights of other citizens.” Madison has a solution for tyranny of the majority: “A republic, by which I mean a government in which the scheme of representation takes place, opens a different prospect, and promises the cure for which we are seeking.”

American States were fiercely independent to start with and to some extent they still are.
Only a system that skews the system to some extent to acknowledge less populous states would keep the Union together.

America isn't New York, Los Angeles, Boston, Philadelphia etc. It's the United States.

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:41am:

American States were fiercely independent to start with and to some extent they still are. Only a system that skews the system to some extent to acknowledge less populous states would keep the Union together. America isn't New York, Los Angeles, Boston, Philadelphia etc. It's the United States.

I would imagine a lot of racism is there as well...you can tell by the way some States are automatically accepted as being Rep or Demo....its left to very few States to make the difference...

I believe m any many blacks voted for Obama... yet would not vote for either white candidate...

it will probably be a few more years before any of it changes.....

cods wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:48am:

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 10th, 2016 at 9:41am: American States were fiercely independent to start with and to some extent they still are. Only a system that skews the system to some extent to acknowledge less populous states would keep the Union together. America isn't New York, Los Angeles, Boston, Philadelphia etc. It's the United States. I would imagine a lot of racism is there as well...you can tell by the way some States are automatically accepted as being Rep or Demo....its left to very few States to make the difference... I believe m any many blacks voted for Obama... yet would not vote for either white candidate... it will probably be a few more years before any of it changes.....

Not long to wait.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:49am:

cods wrote on Nov 10th, 2016 at 9:48am: bogarde73 wrote on Nov 10th, 2016 at 9:41am: American States were fiercely independent to start with and to some extent they still are. Only a system that skews the system to some extent to acknowledge less populous states would keep the Union together. America isn't New York, Los Angeles, Boston, Philadelphia etc. It's the United States. I would imagine a lot of racism is there as well...you can tell by the way some States are automatically accepted as being Rep or Demo....its left to very few States to make the difference... I believe m any many blacks voted for Obama... yet would not vote for either white candidate... it will probably be a few more years before any of it changes..... Not long to wait.

I miss the point you are making greg???....he doesnt get in till the 20/1/17

cods wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:52am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10th, 2016 at 9:49am: cods wrote on Nov 10th, 2016 at 9:48am: bogarde73 wrote on Nov 10th, 2016 at 9:41am: American States were fiercely independent to start with and to some extent they still are. Only a system that skews the system to some extent to acknowledge less populous states would keep the Union together. America isn't New York, Los Angeles, Boston, Philadelphia etc. It's the United States. I would imagine a lot of racism is there as well...you can tell by the way some States are automatically accepted as being Rep or Demo....its left to very few States to make the difference... I believe m any many blacks voted for Obama... yet would not vote for either white candidate... it will probably be a few more years before any of it changes..... Not long to wait. I miss the point you are making greg???....he doesnt get in till the 20/1/17

Click on my link.

It's perfectly safe.

The different democratic processes around the world are all a bit different. They all have their weaknesses and strengths. Had the outcome of this election been the reverse, you can bet somebody would be whinging about it. Neither Trump nor Clinton challenged the actual system, even if you consider Trump's ludicrous suggestion that the election was rigged.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:53am:

cods wrote on Nov 10th, 2016 at 9:52am: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10th, 2016 at 9:49am: cods wrote on Nov 10th, 2016 at 9:48am: bogarde73 wrote on Nov 10th, 2016 at 9:41am: American States were fiercely independent to start with and to some extent they still are. Only a system that skews the system to some extent to acknowledge less populous states would keep the Union together. America isn't New York, Los Angeles, Boston, Philadelphia etc. It's the United States. I would imagine a lot of racism is there as well...you can tell by the way some States are automatically accepted as being Rep or Demo....its left to very few States to make the difference... I believe m any many blacks voted for Obama... yet would not vote for either white candidate... it will probably be a few more years before any of it changes..... Not long to wait. I miss the point you are making greg???....he doesnt get in till the 20/1/17 Click on my link. It's perfectly safe.

I did  or is it a take on the NEXT election...

look I am slow.. oops another abuse word I get into trouble over... but please note I am not calling you slow...but yes the brain isnt in first gear yet...lolol.. got it.

cods wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 10:29am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10th, 2016 at 9:53am: cods wrote on Nov 10th, 2016 at 9:52am: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10th, 2016 at 9:49am: cods wrote on Nov 10th, 2016 at 9:48am: bogarde73 wrote on Nov 10th, 2016 at 9:41am: American States were fiercely independent to start with and to some extent they still are. Only a system that skews the system to some extent to acknowledge less populous states would keep the Union together. America isn't New York, Los Angeles, Boston, Philadelphia etc. It's the United States. I would imagine a lot of racism is there as well...you can tell by the way some States are automatically accepted as being Rep or Demo....its left to very few States to make the difference... I believe m any many blacks voted for Obama... yet would not vote for either white candidate... it will probably be a few more years before any of it changes..... Not long to wait. I miss the point you are making greg???....he doesnt get in till the 20/1/17 Click on my link. It's perfectly safe. I did  or is it a take on the NEXT election... look I am slow.. oops another abuse word I get into trouble over... but please note I am not calling you slow...but yes the brain isnt in first gear yet...lolol.. got it.

It's a countdown to the next US election, in 2020.

Not long to go now   :)

cods wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:36am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 10th, 2016 at 9:34am: cods wrote on Nov 10th, 2016 at 9:28am: \ by the same token Pauline Hanson had over a million primary votes the first time round and still lost... a million? spread out across the country that's not much at all. maybe to you but its better than someone =who falls over the line with 39 preference votes... well it is to me.. anyway... but I will leave you with it.

preference votes are still votes you ninny

John Smith wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 10:32am:

cods wrote on Nov 10th, 2016 at 9:36am: John Smith wrote on Nov 10th, 2016 at 9:34am: cods wrote on Nov 10th, 2016 at 9:28am: \ by the same token Pauline Hanson had over a million primary votes the first time round and still lost... a million? spread out across the country that's not much at all. maybe to you but its better than someone =who falls over the line with 39 preference votes... well it is to me.. anyway... but I will leave you with it. preference votes are still votes you ninny

is that personal abuse...

oh of course not

its the gmods second in command who can do no wrong... ::) ::)


if your bashing cods or aussie
you can say what you like.....

cods wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 10:42am:

is that personal abuse...

it's a compliment