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Title: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by Greens_Win on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 2:08pm

Modelling is now showing a Trump Presidency and a Republican controlled house.

Today is Australia's Independence Day.

Time to scrap ANZUS, kick the americans out of Pine Gap, Dump the American bases up north, Dump Britain and become a republic ... and enter this brave new world as a grown up and independent nation.

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by The Grappler on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 4:29pm

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 2:08pm:

... and a nation of 24 million of many different kinds and not all pulling the wagon of state the same way by any stretch of the imagination... all thoroughly swimming in a vast sea of billions of neighbours, all of whose nations would love to romp in and take over the joint if we but once abandon our alliances.....

When Julia offered us the Asian Century*, it wasn't supposed to be as serfs to Asians.... where's Pauline when you need her?

*Asians will become consumers of high quality finished goods

... she forgot that we no longer make any 'high quality finished goods'.... politicians utter their great truths out of their rear ends....

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by Mr Hammer on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 4:31pm

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 2:08pm:

So who is going to defend Australia when the Chinese come knocking?

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by BigOl64 on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 4:33pm

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 2:08pm:

And defend this delusion how exactly.

Or is security not a problem when you're a republic?

We will be independent for all of a week, with zero allies to maintain security of the nation; so good one champ. ;D ;D

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by Greens_Win on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 4:47pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 4:31pm:

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 2:08pm:

So who is going to defend Australia when the Chinese come knocking?

If you are scared of independent thinking, then start a movement for Australia being the 52nd state, and surrender responsibility.
Other option, as an independent nation, we interact with China and all other independent nations do.

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by Redmond Neck on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 4:53pm

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 4:47pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 4:31pm:

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 2:08pm:

So who is going to defend Australia when the Chinese come knocking?

Be careful what you wish for Richard Cranium!

>:( >:( >:( >:(

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by Greens_Win on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 4:55pm

Redmond Neck wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 4:53pm:

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 4:47pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 4:31pm:

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 2:08pm:

So who is going to defend Australia when the Chinese come knocking?

Be careful what you wish for Richard Cranium!

>:( >:( >:( >:(

Aren't you clever aye.
Add nothing to the discussion and raise the white flag via abuse.

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by Redmond Neck on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 4:58pm

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 4:55pm:

Redmond Neck wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 4:53pm:

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 4:47pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 4:31pm:

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 2:08pm:

So who is going to defend Australia when the Chinese come knocking?

Be careful what you wish for Richard Cranium!

>:( >:( >:( >:(

Aren't you clever aye.
Add nothing to the discussion and raise the white flag via abuse.

I will trust the USA any day over Communist China.

Now trying to take over the South China Sea by bullying!

Ask the people of Hong Kong about their freedom to chose on independance

Traitorous bastards are some on here in my opinion!
>:( >:( >:(

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by Greens_Win on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 5:00pm

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 4:33pm:

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 2:08pm:

Australia has been caught with her knickers around her ankles and you ask me how Australia will be defended !

And how will Australia defend herself when the US is attacked under your do nothing path.

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by BigOl64 on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 5:03pm

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 5:00pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 4:33pm:

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 2:08pm:

Now you're making sh1t up to cover the fact what you posted is a load of sh1t.

Just answer the questions I posted without the lies and deceptive segue.

Without a an ally or two we are dead in the water, easy prey to just about anyone needing cheap resources.

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by Greens_Win on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 5:05pm

Redmond Neck wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 4:58pm:

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 4:55pm:

Redmond Neck wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 4:53pm:

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 4:47pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 4:31pm:

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 2:08pm:

So who is going to defend Australia when the Chinese come knocking?

Be careful what you wish for Richard Cranium!

>:( >:( >:( >:(

Aren't you clever aye.
Add nothing to the discussion and raise the white flag via abuse.

So you want to be subservient ... that's because you see yourself as weak.

It's not a choice between licking the rear end of either China or US. It's about choosing our own destiny.

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by Baronvonrort on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 5:06pm

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 5:00pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 4:33pm:

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 2:08pm:

IN WW2 we drew a line in the sand at Brisbane because we didn't have the power to defend anything north of it, I don't expect Kiwi blow ins to know our history.

How about we deport all welfare bludging Kiwis like you back to NZ instead of your lunacy with kicking the USA out?

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by Greens_Win on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 5:07pm

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 5:03pm:

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 5:00pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 4:33pm:

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 2:08pm:

That's an opinion, and not fact based.
I didn't say we will not have allies, I am just recommend equal partner allies, rather than being the bitch of the US.

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by Bam on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 5:09pm

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 5:03pm:

Just answer the questions I posted without the lies and deceptive segue.

The irony of hypocrisy.

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by Bam on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 5:10pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 4:31pm:

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 2:08pm:

So who is going to defend Australia when the Chinese come knocking?

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 4:33pm:

And defend this delusion how exactly.

Round up all the far right whackjobs, conscript them into the army and tell them the Chinese are all Muslims.

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by lee on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 5:11pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 5:06pm:

IN WW2 we drew a line in the sand at Brisbane because we didn't have the power to defend anything north of it, I don't expect Kiwi blow ins to know our history.

Not true. In WW2 the Brisbane line followed the Murray-Darling then to Brisbane and then across to Wide Bay IIRC. Anything West and North of the line was gone.

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by Greens_Win on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 5:13pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 5:06pm:

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 5:00pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 4:33pm:

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 2:08pm:

IN WW2 we drew a line in the sand at Brisbane because we didn't have the power to defend anything north of it, I don't expect Kiwi blow ins to know our history.

70 Years ago !!!

How about we deport all welfare bludging Kiwis like you back to NZ instead of your lunacy with kicking the USA out?

Shadow boxing, and a miss.

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by Jovial Monk on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 5:13pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 5:06pm:

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 5:00pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 4:33pm:

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 2:08pm:

You do realise kiwis are returning to NZ in record numbers? So much that the trans Tasman migration is to NZ? 3 years of a shambles of a govt has done that.

Trump is going to make the present shower here look good: lucky America!

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by lee on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 5:15pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 5:13pm:

You do realise kiwis are returning to NZ in record numbers? So much that the trans Tasman migration is to NZ? 3 years of a shambles of a govt has done that.

That should make you happy that they're not taking Aussie jobs. :D :D

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by BigOl64 on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 6:10pm

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 5:07pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 5:03pm:

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 5:00pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 4:33pm:

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 2:08pm:

That's an opinion, and not fact based.
I didn't say we will not have allies, I am just recommend equal partner allies, rather than being the bitch of the US.

That opinion is based on the fact that we are very sparsely populated, have huge easily accessed resources, and a very professional but small defence force, incapable of defending this country without assistance.

So who are we equal to and would want to be allied with us?

I presume you have thought this through and worked out hoe to defend Australia once we cut ties with our traditional allies and go out into a hostile world undefended.

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by Greens_Win on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 6:19pm

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 6:10pm:

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 5:07pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 5:03pm:

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 5:00pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 4:33pm:

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 2:08pm:

That's an opinion, and not fact based.
I didn't say we will not have allies, I am just recommend equal partner allies, rather than being the bitch of the US.

And who are we equal to and would want to be allied with us?

I presume you have thought this through and worked out hoe to defend Australia once we cut ties with our traditional allies and go out into a hostile world undefended.

States that share our values.
A good start would be regional neighbours like Indonesia and New Zealand,.

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by lee on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 6:21pm

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 6:10pm:

I presume you have thought this through and worked out hoe to defend Australia once we cut ties with our traditional allies and go out into a hostile world undefended.

This is Greens you are talking about.

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by lee on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 6:26pm

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 6:19pm:

States that share our values.

That's a good start.

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 6:19pm:

A good start would be regional neighbours like Indonesia

Indonesia shares our values? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 6:19pm:

and New Zealand,.

And once again with a small population. Smaller than Queensland.

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by Greens_Win on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 6:29pm

Typ
lee wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 6:21pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 6:10pm:

I presume you have thought this through and worked out hoe to defend Australia once we cut ties with our traditional allies and go out into a hostile world undefended.

This is Greens you are talking about.

Same poster predicting the collapse of Australia's alliance with the US.
What say the nay sayers now ?

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by John Smith on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 6:31pm

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 6:19pm:

States that share our values.
A good start would be regional neighbours like Indonesia and New Zealand,.

you really are deluded aren't you?

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by Greens_Win on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 6:33pm

lee wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 6:26pm:

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 6:19pm:

States that share our values.

That's a good start.

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 6:19pm:

A good start would be regional neighbours like Indonesia

Indonesia shares our values? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Some of them.

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 6:19pm:

and New Zealand,.

And once again with a small population. Smaller than Queensland.

So

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by lee on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 6:34pm

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 6:29pm:

Typ
lee wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 6:21pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 6:10pm:

I presume you have thought this through and worked out hoe to defend Australia once we cut ties with our traditional allies and go out into a hostile world undefended.

This is Greens you are talking about.

Same poster predicting the collapse of Australia's alliance with the US.
What say the nay sayers now ?

Who? Where? Or just deluded thinking once again?

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by lee on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 6:37pm

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 6:33pm:

Indonesia shares our values? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Some of them.

Really? Can you enumerate them?

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 6:33pm:

Greens_Win wrote Today at 4:19pm:
and New Zealand,.

And once again with a small population. Smaller than Queensland.

So

You have never heard of critical mass?

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by Greens_Win on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 6:37pm

John Smith wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 6:31pm:

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 6:19pm:

States that share our values.
A good start would be regional neighbours like Indonesia and New Zealand,.

you really are deluded aren't you?

The US has today rejected many things we have taken for granted. They are no longer interested in anything outside of their country.
Delusional is believing we should sit on our hands and think they were only kidding.

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by jeez on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 6:41pm

Wally waseed on the project needs to take a wash and live in the real world

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by BigOl64 on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 6:41pm

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 6:19pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 6:10pm:

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 5:07pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 5:03pm:

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 5:00pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 4:33pm:

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 2:08pm:

That's an opinion, and not fact based.
I didn't say we will not have allies, I am just recommend equal partner allies, rather than being the bitch of the US.

States that share our values.
A good start would be regional neighbours like Indonesia and New Zealand,.

And these country have sufficient fire power to protect us from hostile forces do they?

I suggest you google search their military capabilities before you get too caught u in an alliance with them especially fkken new zealand. ;D ;D ;D ;D

Keep trying genius, your suggestions don't quite hit the mark as appropriate allies able to provide security for Australia.

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by Greens_Win on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 6:46pm

Quote:

Security analysts have warned a Trump presidency could take US military forces out of the region, presenting security challenges for Australia as China flexes its muscle in the South China Sea.

How will Australia handle this new responsibility ?

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by John Smith on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 6:46pm

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 6:37pm:

The US has today rejected many things we have taken for granted.

I didn't see anything about the US walking away from the ANZUS treaty, did you? please put up a link to it

ohh, and none of your fantasy bullsh1t ... stick to facts.

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by jeez on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 6:48pm

Johnnie wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 6:41pm:

Wally waseed on the project needs to take a wash and live in the real world

likening him to hitler is ha ha

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by Greens_Win on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 6:49pm

John Smith wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 6:46pm:

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 6:37pm:

The US has today rejected many things we have taken for granted.

I didn't see anything about the US walking away from the ANZUS treaty, did you? please put up a link to it

ohh, and none of your fantasy bullsh1t ... stick to facts.

I suggest you put on your reading glasses and read the thread properly.

Cherry picking from different posts is gutless.

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by jeez on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 6:50pm

That didn't work

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by jeez on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 6:52pm

wally stinks of political colrectness

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by Bam on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 6:54pm

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 2:08pm:

Won't happen ... if the US had no bases in Australia, where would they base their troops? Or would they accept having a giant hole in their global military coverage?

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by Greens_Win on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 6:55pm

Quote:

The success of rogue Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump has forced the Turnbull government into a furious recalibration of policy, from international trade agreements to crucial foreign and strategic treaty arrangements.

Quote:

During the longest and most bitterly fought campaign in US political history, Mr Trump had expressed contempt for America's security role in the world, floated the idea of giving nuclear arms to South Korea and Japan, vowed to keep North Korea and China in check, and proposed to tear up various trade agreements.

Quote:

Foreign Affairs Minister Julie Bishop struck a more cautious note, revealing Canberra remained in the dark on Mr Trump's foreign policy stances in trade and security, and could not predict what these policies would look like.

Quote:

Ms Bishop denied that the government had been caught out by American voters, while issuing a none-too-subtle call for like-minded countries to join Australia in pressuring Washington to stay engaged with the world in economic and strategic spheres.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/donald-trumps-triumph-rocks-canberra-20161109-gslqi2.html

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by John Smith on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 6:55pm

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 6:49pm:

I suggest you put on your reading glasses and read the thread properly.

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by jeez on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 6:56pm

Fight to the death over a being no one knows exists, cool

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by Greens_Win on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 6:56pm

Bam wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 6:54pm:

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 2:08pm:

Won't happen ... if the US had no bases in Australia, where would they base their troops? Or would they accept having a giant hole in their global military coverage?

The US is centred on growing it's economy and not being the leader of the free world.

Quote:

link http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/donald-trumps-triumph-rocks-canberra-20161109-gslqi2.html

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by Gordon on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 6:57pm

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 6:46pm:

Quote:

Security analysts have warned a Trump presidency could take US military forces out of the region, presenting security challenges for Australia as China flexes its muscle in the South China Sea.

How will Australia handle this new responsibility ?

Just send SHY up to sort them out

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Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by jeez on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 6:58pm

anyone prepared to challenge trumps agenda, poofs maybe

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by Greens_Win on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 7:07pm

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 6:41pm:

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 6:19pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 6:10pm:

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 5:07pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 5:03pm:

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 5:00pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 4:33pm:

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 2:08pm:

That's an opinion, and not fact based.
I didn't say we will not have allies, I am just recommend equal partner allies, rather than being the bitch of the US.

States that share our values.
A good start would be regional neighbours like Indonesia and New Zealand,.

You continually want to deflect responsibility for the defence of Australia onto others.
How about growing a pair.

Australia is more vulnerable tonight, than it has been in a while.
Because of lazy thinking, like yours.
You want to reply on the US, when the US is starting to reduce it's support.

You don't like new alliances, so how do you think we should defend ourself as the US withdraws from the region?

Perhaps nuke up and start an arms race in the region?

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by jeez on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 7:10pm

Is Sarah crying tonight, I suspect not, she lives high on the pig.

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by Bam on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 11:22pm

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 7:07pm:

Australia is more vulnerable tonight, than it has been in a while.

Perhaps, but not necessarily militarily. The Australian economy, already fragile and moribund, could tip over into a technical recession if the rest of the world loses confidence. If there is a recession, the Liberals would have no chances at the next election.

The upside though is that Trump is likely to kill off the TPP. That neo-liberal madness would be facing the stiff headwinds of global protectionism that are building around the world. It's not for no reason that One Nation and NXT both have four MPs in Federal Parliament.

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by Jovial Monk on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 12:37am

Maybe we should ask trump for a couple of nuclear weapons too?

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by UnSubRocky on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 12:42am

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 4:31pm:

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 2:08pm:

So who is going to defend Australia when the Chinese come knocking?

Just Australia. The ANZUS treaty is more like trade symbolism. The Chinese coming a-knockin' to take over Australia will be a heavy cost to the Chinese. The Chinese coming to make trouble in our region, that would be another thing. But the Chinese are becoming progressively less hostile militarily, as the importance of good trade relations helps their economy. We need not fear the Chinese.

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by BigOl64 on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 5:22am

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 7:07pm:

[You continually want to deflect responsibility for the defence of Australia onto others.
How about growing a pair.

Australia is more vulnerable tonight, than it has been in a while.
Because of lazy thinking, like yours.
You want to reply on the US, when the US is starting to reduce it's support.

You don't like new alliances, so how do you think we should defend ourself as the US withdraws from the region?

Perhaps nuke up and start an arms race in the region?

Fine, how do your suggest we maintain security without ANZUS?

What level of defence spending do you thing is appropriate to defend Australia from ALL potential threats now and into the future.

This is not something you fkk around with this is our very existence you are dealing with now.

So ..................

Im not the one who suggested anything about dumping ANZUS, that was you, I do not have to find solutions for a problem that currently does NOT exist; you have to, for problems of your making.

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by Valkie on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 6:03am

You lot have it all wrong.

What we need is to pull together with our allies, America, UK, etc, white functional countries.

Then we need to dump the multinationals, make industry Australian based, re-introduce tariffs and make China and their like pay their way.

Then we really need to stop giving away money to parasites, Indonesia, Africa etc.
Look after our own, first, second, third and fourth.

Stop immigration from third world countries, only bring in Christians and those who have the same values as us.
Make those who are here behave themselves or send them elsewhere, who cares where.

Bring home all our soldiers, let these useless countries fight their own battles.
But if they DARE to attack us, we will strike with closed fists and with everything we have.
We need nukes.

Make Australia great again.

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by Greens_Win on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 6:18am

BigOl
Trump is isolationistic, and Aus. may not get a choice of keeping ANZUS. As Australia was caught out yesterday, we must have a plan two, a future without the US babysitting us.

Choices include becoming neutral, picking up the pieces of US retreat and form closer ties with states that also have been left high and dry, or my personal choice : a war no more coalition. All states around the planet who will pledge a war no more future join together. Any state is challenged and then every other state rises in defence of them.

As far as militarising and the spending, we got to choose a path first, then work out how to achieve that path.

Now, if ANZUS crumbles, what do you think we should do?

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by Sir Bobby on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 6:21am

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 6:18am:

BigOl
Trump is isolationistic, and Aus. may not get a choice of keeping ANZUS. As Australia was caught out yesterday, we must have a plan two, a future without the US babysitting us.

Choices include becoming neutral, picking up the pieces of US retreat and form closer ties with states that also have been left high and dry too, or my personal choice : a war no more coalition. All states around the planet who will pledge a war no more future join together. Any state is challenged and then every other state rises in defence of them.

As far as militarising and the spending, we got to choose a path first, then work out how to achieve that path.

Now, if ANZUS crumbles, what do you think we should do?

If we lose the USA nuclear umbrella we
will have to build our own nukes.

So will: Japan, South Korea, Indonesia etc

The world could be a far more dangerous place.

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by Greens_Win on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 6:26am

Bobby. wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 6:21am:

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 6:18am:

BigOl
Trump is isolationistic, and Aus. may not get a choice of keeping ANZUS. As Australia was caught out yesterday, we must have a plan two, a future without the US babysitting us.

Choices include becoming neutral, picking up the pieces of US retreat and form closer ties with states that also have been left high and dry too, or my personal choice : a war no more coalition. All states around the planet who will pledge a war no more future join together. Any state is challenged and then every other state rises in defence of them.

As far as militarising and the spending, we got to choose a path first, then work out how to achieve that path.

Now, if ANZUS crumbles, what do you think we should do?

If we lose the USA nuclear umbrella we
will have to build our own nukes.

So will: Japan, South Korea, Indonesia etc

The world could be a far more dangerous place.

With a China US trade war, we should expect our dollar to drop to 50 cents or less against the US.
Also world trade will dry up and so Australia falling into a recession is highly likely considering how pathetic both the coalition and labor are with economics.

A weapons race is extremely expensive.
Are we all willing to pay substantial taxes over a long period so to fund it?

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by BigOl64 on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 6:32am

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 6:18am:

ANZUS has not crumbled, YOU have demanded we flush it down the toilet (check your OP), you need to tell everyone how we should maintain our sovereignty and security with out it.

Also the US will not give up their main communications / spy base in the southern hemisphere, for a petulant 1 term president. They would lose too much of their own security if they did so. Something you have not considered, or I doubt you even knew, did you? :) :)

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by Greens_Win on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 6:37am

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 6:32am:

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 6:18am:

Ok.Hypothetical
Trump's main focus is the business of building the US economy, and not defence of Australia. What if the US pulls out of ANZUS, as a cost cutting measure.

Australia must start formulating a plan B.

What do you think our plan B should be?

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by BigOl64 on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 7:23am

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 6:37am:

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 6:32am:

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 6:18am:

So in this hypothetical he is giving up Pine Gap the main US spy base in the southern hemisphere and communications to their nuclear submarines?

Well in this hypothetical I would say we should employ the group hug philosophy and sing kumbaya, as it will never happen.

YOU were the one to demand that we abandon our main security treaty ANZUS not trump and not as a hypothetical but as an actual action. So answer the question posed.

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by Greens_Win on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 7:26am

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 7:23am:

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 6:37am:

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 6:32am:

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 6:18am:

That's you reply ... deflection?

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by BigOl64 on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 7:45am

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 7:26am:

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 7:23am:

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 6:37am:

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 6:32am:

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 6:18am:

That's you reply ... deflection?

Since you have consistently refused to answer my initial question, I don't see why I should indulge your stupid hypothetical/

The USA will NEVER willingly give up Pine Gap. That is the answer to your cretinous hypothetical.

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by John Smith on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 7:49am

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 12:37am:

Maybe we should ask trump for a couple of nuclear weapons too?

so far the yanks have been hesitant to share ... with trump they just might give us a few if we were so inclined

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by Greens_Win on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:14am

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 7:45am:

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 7:26am:

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 7:23am:

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 6:37am:

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 6:32am:

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 6:18am:

That's you reply ... deflection?

The US are pulling out of NATO ... who would of thought that could ever happen.

No plan B on the US also pulling out of the two bob ANZUS Treaty means we are going to be caught wiith our pants down again, as we were yesterday.

Both old parties are old and not alert to the high risk world we now live in.

No plan B is a a death wish.
Australia's defence independency is a longterm solution.
How we get there and what form it takes is what must be debated.

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by John Smith on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:15am

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:14am:

The US are pulling out of NATO

:o :o :o

when did that happen? Are you lying again? Me thinks you're lying again :D :D

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by Greens_Win on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:27am

John Smith wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:15am:

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:14am:

The US are pulling out of NATO

:o :o :o

when did that happen? Are you lying again? Me thinks you're lying again :D :D

Quote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37924137

Not defending Nato = a withdrawal by US, from Nato.

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by Greens_Win on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:29am

If Trump demands Australia to pay cash for US defence ... should we become a cash cow for Trump to milk regularly?

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by John Smith on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:15am

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:27am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:15am:

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:14am:

The US are pulling out of NATO

:o :o :o

when did that happen? Are you lying again? Me thinks you're lying again :D :D

Quote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37924137

Not defending Nato = a withdrawal by US, from Nato.

so no one has pulled out? thanks for proving my point for me :D :D

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by Greens_Win on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:19am

John Smith wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:15am:

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:27am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:15am:

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:14am:

The US are pulling out of NATO

:o :o :o

when did that happen? Are you lying again? Me thinks you're lying again :D :D

Quote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37924137

Not defending Nato = a withdrawal by US, from Nato.

so no one has pulled out? thanks for proving my point for me :D :D

'are' verses 'has' ... go back to school and learn english.

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by BigOl64 on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:28am

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:27am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:15am:

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:14am:

The US are pulling out of NATO

:o :o :o

when did that happen? Are you lying again? Me thinks you're lying again :D :D

Quote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37924137

Not defending Nato = a withdrawal by US, from Nato.

And above all he has said that America's allies in Europe and Asia must do more to pay for and provide for their own defence, even suggesting that the US might not come to the aid of a Nato country if it fails to pay its bills. This will worry the Baltic states no end.

Sh1t that is as rock solid as you can find anywhere. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

The new action words

Suggesting

Might not

If

Fkk-sake everyone panic, we're doooooooomed

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Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by Greens_Win on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:31am

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:28am:

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:27am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:15am:

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:14am:

The US are pulling out of NATO

:o :o :o

when did that happen? Are you lying again? Me thinks you're lying again :D :D

Quote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37924137

Not defending Nato = a withdrawal by US, from Nato.

And in diplomatic speak, Trump is saying drop pants and bend over.

By your denial, I take it you have them around your ankles already?

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by John Smith on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:32am

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:19am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:15am:

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:27am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:15am:

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:14am:

The US are pulling out of NATO

:o :o :o

when did that happen? Are you lying again? Me thinks you're lying again :D :D

Quote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37924137

Not defending Nato = a withdrawal by US, from Nato.

so no one has pulled out? thanks for proving my point for me :D :D

'are' verses 'has' ... go back to school and learn english.

hilarious, especially seeing as it's coming from the guy who has still to work out what 'might' means :D :D :D

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by BigOl64 on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:33am

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:29am:

If Trump demands Australia to pay cash for US defence ... should we become a cash cow for Trump to milk regularly?

Stationing their very important spy base in our country would not come for free either. He, like you, needs to learn basic tit - for - Tat rules

The US military will NOT give up there strategic foot hold of the southern hemisphere just because of a cretin like trump doesn't understand basic national security.

Now you need to stop with these stupid red herrings and answer the question.

How do you propose we secure our national sovereignty when you rip up ANZUS?

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by BigOl64 on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:35am

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:31am:

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:28am:

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:27am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:15am:

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:14am:

The US are pulling out of NATO

:o :o :o

when did that happen? Are you lying again? Me thinks you're lying again :D :D

Quote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37924137

Not defending Nato = a withdrawal by US, from Nato.

And in diplomatic speak, Trump is saying drop pants and bend over.

By your denial, I take it you have them around your ankles already?

Now we know you are lying if you're saying trump uses diplomatic language. ;D ;D ;D ;D

Answer the question!

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by Greens_Win on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:41am

John Smith wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:32am:

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:19am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:15am:

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:27am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:15am:

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:14am:

The US are pulling out of NATO

:o :o :o

when did that happen? Are you lying again? Me thinks you're lying again :D :D

Quote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37924137

Not defending Nato = a withdrawal by US, from Nato.

so no one has pulled out? thanks for proving my point for me :D :D

'are' verses 'has' ... go back to school and learn english.

hilarious, especially seeing as it's coming from the guy who has still to work out what 'might' means :D :D :D

Due to the election hadn't been held and Trump's election not being a certainty when he said it.

It's a certainty now.

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by juliar on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:44am

Very old dead thread where the naive Greenies_Lose is just parroting the lying hypocrite Greenie Agenda 21 propaganda about the UN One World Govt.

Gosh, if it wasn't for the lying hypocrite Greenie Propaganda, Greenies_Lose would be speechless!!!!

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by Greens_Win on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:45am

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:35am:

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:31am:

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:28am:

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:27am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:15am:

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:14am:

The US are pulling out of NATO

:o :o :o

when did that happen? Are you lying again? Me thinks you're lying again :D :D

Quote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37924137

Not defending Nato = a withdrawal by US, from Nato.

And in diplomatic speak, Trump is saying drop pants and bend over.

By your denial, I take it you have them around your ankles already?

Now we know you are lying if you're saying trump uses diplomatic language. ;D ;D ;D ;D

Answer the question!

The article is in diplomatic speak.
Trump wants everyone to pay for US defence protection.

Are you willing to pay a US defence tax, so to fund Donald's trade undermining of Australia?

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by juliar on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:54am

Gullible Greenies_Lose is still banging away on the shed wall about his Greenie UN One World Govt Propaganda rubbish.

Pres Trump will put the silly Greenie UN One World Govt back at least 100 years.

The UN had to revise Agenda 21 into Agenda 2030 because it was a flop even tho the Greenies loved it as it saved them from having to think.

Now that Trumpy is in power it looks as tho the UN will also have to revise Agenda 2030.

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by Greens_Win on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:57am

juliar wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:54am:

A one world government is closer today than it was two days ago.
A 'war no more' coalition is the fastest way of achieving a one world government.
As this 'war no more' coalition grows stronger, the take up will speed up.

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by Bojack Horseman on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:58am

juliar wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:54am:

See heres the essential problem. If you voted for Trump because you're in Detroit and you're unemployed and you believe he can bring jobs back fine. If you voted for Trump because you're a bit worried about terrorism, a little less fine but still ok. If you voted for Trump because you think this seriously unhinged BS that juliar just posted is true, then you need your smacking head examined.

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by BigOl64 on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 10:01am

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:45am:

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:35am:

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:31am:

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:28am:

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:27am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:15am:

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:14am:

The US are pulling out of NATO

:o :o :o

when did that happen? Are you lying again? Me thinks you're lying again :D :D

Quote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37924137

Not defending Nato = a withdrawal by US, from Nato.

And in diplomatic speak, Trump is saying drop pants and bend over.

By your denial, I take it you have them around your ankles already?

Now we know you are lying if you're saying trump uses diplomatic language. ;D ;D ;D ;D

Answer the question!

The article is in diplomatic speak.
Trump wants everyone to pay for US defence protection.

Are you willing to pay a US defence tax, so to fund Donald's trade undermining of Australia?

Answer my questions loser, before asking me anymore cretinous questions.

You made a stupid statement now clarify how you would make it happen.

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by Greens_Win on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 10:07am

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 10:01am:

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:45am:

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:35am:

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:31am:

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:28am:

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:27am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:15am:

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:14am:

The US are pulling out of NATO

:o :o :o

when did that happen? Are you lying again? Me thinks you're lying again :D :D

Quote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37924137

Not defending Nato = a withdrawal by US, from Nato.

And in diplomatic speak, Trump is saying drop pants and bend over.

By your denial, I take it you have them around your ankles already?

Now we know you are lying if you're saying trump uses diplomatic language. ;D ;D ;D ;D

Answer the question!

The article is in diplomatic speak.
Trump wants everyone to pay for US defence protection.

Are you willing to pay a US defence tax, so to fund Donald's trade undermining of Australia?

Answer my questions loser, before asking me anymore cretinous questions.

You made a stupid statement now clarify how you would make it happen.

I asked you a question, and without the abuse.
You have chosen to ignore and not answer.

Practice what you preach.

What is your plan B?

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by juliar on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 10:19am

Greenies_Lose, You are wasting you breath.

the cat is out of the bag now about your beloved Greenies hidden agenda to reduce Australia to a 4th world country and then to turn it into a dumping ground for the world's unwanted trash, that is turn Australia into a black, brown, and brindle SLUM!!!!

The signs are there for all to see in Sth Aust.

The Greenies hope that they will become part of the UN One World Govt and be put in charge of Australia. Will Kruddy return to become president of Australia ?

Anyone who can't see this just needs to have a look at the UN Agenda 21 and they will recognize the Greenies "policies" straight away.

Things like no borders, free movement of population just like Europe, set marine parks up to stop fishing, loss of private ownership, etc and so on.

Greenies_Lose is getting frantic now that Trumpy will abandon this UN One World Govt rubbish that Obama and Hillary liked so much.

So expect Greenies_Lose to keep chundering out ruddiculous lying hypocrite Greenie propaganda trash until the cows come come.

Greenies_Lose, you should get that Greenie Train Wreck in to help you.

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by UnSubRocky on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 11:09am

Bobby. wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 6:21am:

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 6:18am:

BigOl
Trump is isolationistic, and Aus. may not get a choice of keeping ANZUS. As Australia was caught out yesterday, we must have a plan two, a future without the US babysitting us.

Choices include becoming neutral, picking up the pieces of US retreat and form closer ties with states that also have been left high and dry too, or my personal choice : a war no more coalition. All states around the planet who will pledge a war no more future join together. Any state is challenged and then every other state rises in defence of them.

As far as militarising and the spending, we got to choose a path first, then work out how to achieve that path.

Now, if ANZUS crumbles, what do you think we should do?

If we lose the USA nuclear umbrella we
will have to build our own nukes.

So will: Japan, South Korea, Indonesia etc

The world could be a far more dangerous place.

And? We have had nuclear weapons in our country, and we can do it again. Indonesia won't let 100 million Javanese starve whilst they develop nuclear weapons. They will keep weaving those baskets, and complaining about their lot in life. Indonesia might even stand down a bit with their military.

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by UnSubRocky on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 11:16am

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:29am:

If Trump demands Australia to pay cash for US defence ... should we become a cash cow for Trump to milk regularly?

Is that not like asking for protection money?

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by BigOl64 on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 11:29am

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 10:07am:

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 10:01am:

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:45am:

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:35am:

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:31am:

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:28am:

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:27am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:15am:

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:14am:

The US are pulling out of NATO

:o :o :o

when did that happen? Are you lying again? Me thinks you're lying again :D :D

Quote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37924137

Not defending Nato = a withdrawal by US, from Nato.

And in diplomatic speak, Trump is saying drop pants and bend over.

By your denial, I take it you have them around your ankles already?

Now we know you are lying if you're saying trump uses diplomatic language. ;D ;D ;D ;D

Answer the question!

The article is in diplomatic speak.
Trump wants everyone to pay for US defence protection.

Are you willing to pay a US defence tax, so to fund Donald's trade undermining of Australia?

Answer my questions loser, before asking me anymore cretinous questions.

You made a stupid statement now clarify how you would make it happen.

I asked you a question, and without the abuse.
You have chosen to ignore and not answer.

Practice what you preach.

What is your plan B?

I m not in this, there is NO Big Ol Plan A, I made no statements, you did, So why are you asking for my Plan B; YOU are the one making us tear up ANZUS NO-ONE else. I told you that the US will NOT tear up ANZUS there is no need to look any further, unless YOU tear it up as YOU stated in your OP.

YOU need to explain how our security needs will be met, when YOU tear up ANZUS.

So I have answered you for the umpteenth time, now answer the one question that I have repeated with every post and this time without hurting your sensitivities.

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by Sir Bobby on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 11:54am

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 6:26am:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 6:21am:

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 6:18am:

BigOl
Trump is isolationistic, and Aus. may not get a choice of keeping ANZUS. As Australia was caught out yesterday, we must have a plan two, a future without the US babysitting us.

Choices include becoming neutral, picking up the pieces of US retreat and form closer ties with states that also have been left high and dry too, or my personal choice : a war no more coalition. All states around the planet who will pledge a war no more future join together. Any state is challenged and then every other state rises in defence of them.

As far as militarising and the spending, we got to choose a path first, then work out how to achieve that path.

Now, if ANZUS crumbles, what do you think we should do?

If we lose the USA nuclear umbrella we
will have to build our own nukes.

So will: Japan, South Korea, Indonesia etc

The world could be a far more dangerous place.

Let's wait & see what Trump really does.

I doubt he will pull out of ANZUS.

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by juliar on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 12:06pm

The US set up the US base at Darwin because they want a presence in SE Asia to offset China's influence.

Australia has a conflict of interest between USA and China as USA is our defence force but China is our trading partner and is already conducting an economic invasion of Australia.

Hopefully Trumpy will ignore Shorty as just a horse brained twit and the ABC as just a defeatist Socialist Propaganda Station that needs to be pulled into line to adhere to its Public Charter.

Australia needs BOTH the USA AND China.

Malcolm will be very wary of Trump's attitude to the very important trade agreement between USA and Australia.

Wonder how Trump will trash the Greenies' Climate Heating bulldust ? Probably with a 500HP 500 cubic inch V8 powered Camaro!!!!

There should be a big market for tissues to the Lefties and Greenies!!! Sob Sob!!!!

The Aust Share Market likes Trumpy as it rocketed up. Good to see. FOREX is all over the shop like Shorty rummaging around the bottom of the bird cage.

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by Greens_Win on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 1:07pm

Dishonest Mal, currently rear end licking Donald in parliament, and reinforcing this dissolving US reliance.

Dishonest Mal = Disconnected With Reality Mal

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by Greens_Win on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 1:20pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 11:16am:

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:29am:

If Trump demands Australia to pay cash for US defence ... should we become a cash cow for Trump to milk regularly?

Is that not like asking for protection money?

Correct.

Will Australia Pay, and Pay, and Pay ?

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 1:23pm

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 1:20pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 11:16am:

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:29am:

If Trump demands Australia to pay cash for US defence ... should we become a cash cow for Trump to milk regularly?

Is that not like asking for protection money?

Correct.

Will Australia Pay, and Pay, and Pay ?

There'll be hell toupé.

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by BigOl64 on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 1:47pm

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 1:20pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 11:16am:

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:29am:

If Trump demands Australia to pay cash for US defence ... should we become a cash cow for Trump to milk regularly?

Is that not like asking for protection money?

Correct.

Will Australia Pay, and Pay, and Pay ?

Answer the question, stop hiding.

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by Sir Bobby on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 3:55pm

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 1:20pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 11:16am:

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:29am:

If Trump demands Australia to pay cash for US defence ... should we become a cash cow for Trump to milk regularly?

Is that not like asking for protection money?

Correct.

Will Australia Pay, and Pay, and Pay ?

Maybe we will have to pay -

apparently he's going to make Japan pay for their free protection.

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by UnSubRocky on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 9:48pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 1:23pm:

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 1:20pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 11:16am:

____ wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:29am:

If Trump demands Australia to pay cash for US defence ... should we become a cash cow for Trump to milk regularly?

Is that not like asking for protection money?

Correct.

Will Australia Pay, and Pay, and Pay ?

There'll be hell toupé.

Is that a genuine photo? Or is that just a lookalike to Trump?

Title: Re: Today's Our Independence Day
Post by Greens_Win on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 8:25am

Richard Di Natale calling for an Independent Australia on ABC now.