The Establishment are scared stiff of Donald Trump becoming President because he is going to challenge what has been 'going down' for decades. The Establishment - read the Mega Rich grow fat on the bones of the ordinary U.S. Citizen. Every time an election comes the same old scenario is roiled out ...from both Parties ...until this time.

This time through an incredible series of events, a man has arrived who is willing to take apart the whole rotten system that is the U.S. Government.

Only by dismantling the whole rotten process will there be a chance for America to re visit its roots and yes that term 'Grow Great Again'.

The American system if it was a patient would be declared 'terminally ill'. Only the mega rich grow fatter on the bones of the average U.S. citizen who lives in fear of getting ill because they can't afford to get sick.

The Establishment that have ruled America for eons are scared stiff of Donald Trump. Because Trump is challenging the very roots of the establishment - the old money - the whole rotten system that has allowed America to run into debts totalling trillions.

Yet The Establishment say this is O.K. Hillary Clinton says..this is O.K.  Corporations are packing up and moving overseas. Millions of American jobs have been lost..Yet The Establishment says this is O.K.


But...this is VERY UN O.K. and I believe on voting American citizens will see through the lies spread by a panicking Democrat Party led by a Candidate whose past is littered with corpses of the truth.

On polling Day America will see a new horizon through Donald Trump..the only man who can turn America around.

red baron wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 2:59pm:

The Establishment are scared stiff of Donald Trump becoming President because he is going to challenge what has been 'going down' for decades. The Establishment - read the Mega Rich grow fat on the bones of the ordinary U.S. Citizen. Every time an election comes the same old scenario is roiled out ...from both Parties ...until this time. This time through an incredible series of events, a man has arrived who is willing to take apart the whole rotten system that is the U.S. Government. Only by dismantling the whole rotten process will there be a chance for America to re visit its roots and yes that term 'Grow Great Again'. The American system if it was a patient would be declared 'terminally ill'. Only the mega rich grow fatter on the bones of the average U.S. citizen who lives in fear of getting ill because they can't afford to get sick. The Establishment that have ruled America for eons are scared stiff of Donald Trump. Because Trump is challenging the very roots of the establishment - the old money - the whole rotten system that has allowed America to run into debts totalling trillions. Yet The Establishment say this is O.K. Hillary Clinton says..this is O.K.  Corporations are packing up and moving overseas. Millions of American jobs have been lost..Yet The Establishment says this is O.K. But...this is VERY UN O.K. and I believe on voting American citizens will see through the lies spread by a panicking Democrat Party led by a Candidate whose past is littered with corpses of the truth. On polling Day America will see a new horizon through Donald Trump..the only man who can turn America around.

Yes and a different young girl in the oval office every day.

Wall Street certainly are!

red baron wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 2:59pm:

The Establishment are scared stiff of Donald Trump becoming President because he is going to challenge what has been 'going down' for decades. The Establishment - read the Mega Rich grow fat on the bones of the ordinary U.S. Citizen.

Oh, I see. Whereas Trump's father grew fat on the bones of the ordinary U.S Citizen, and Trump kept the game alive.

It is a jolly world, no?

When you're Trump.

Julian Assange did a interview the other day where he said Trump won't be "permitted" to become president. It's certainly looks like that.

Julian Assange interviewed by John Pilger.



Assange- “My analysis is that Trump would not be permitted to win. Why do I say that? Because he has had every establishment off his side. Trump does not have one establishment, maybe with the exception of the Evangelicals, if you can call them an establishment,” said Assange. “Banks, intelligence, arms companies, foreign money, etc. are all united behind Hillary Clinton. And the media as well. Media owners, and the journalists themselves.” - See more at: http://pamelageller.com/2016/11/julian-assange-trump-wont-be-permitted-to-win.



John Pilger: The Saudis, the Qataris, the Moroccans, the Bahrainis, particularly the first two, are giving all this money to the Clinton Foundation, while Hillary Clinton is secretary of state, and the State Department is approving massive arms sales, particularly Saudi Arabia.

Julian Assange: Under Hillary Clinton – and the Clinton emails reveal a significant discussion of it – the biggest-ever arms deal in the world was made with Saudi Arabia: more than $80 billion. During her tenure, the total arms exports from the US doubled in dollar value.

JP: Of course, the consequence of that is that this notorious jihadist group, called ISIL or ISIS, is created largely with money from people who are giving money to the Clinton Foundation?

JA: Yes.

“Banks, intelligence, arms companies, foreign money, etc. are all united behind Hillary Clinton. And the media as well. Media owners, and the journalists themselves.” - See more at: http://pamelageller.com/2016/11/julian-assange-trump-wont-be-permitted-to-win.

Yes your post states it clearly...all the vested interests lining up behind Clinton.

The Democrats have rigged the system as Trump claims.

And IF Hillary Clinton wins, stand by for America to be involved in wars across the world up to its throat, because that is the lifeblood of the Democrat Party.

The vote is all bout the 'college votes' a candidate can get.

In the last election, Obama scored 52% of the popular vote but garnered 62% of the College Votes...the ones that count.

The system is rigged alright in favour of the Democrats but if the dissatisfaction of the American Public can be gauged then maybe..just maybe the system will be chucked overboard which it sorely needs to be.

red baron wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 2:59pm:

On polling Day America will see a new horizon through Donald Trump..the only man who can turn America around.

Care to make a bet, red?

Lets see who gets across the line Gregg...The Democrats are experts in the 'dirty tricks' department.

So let's just see how this plays out.

If after the election electoral fraud is found to be proven then stand by because things will go pear shaped over there if it is rigged.

red baron wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 4:43pm:

Lets see who gets across the line Gregg...The Democrats are experts in the 'dirty tricks' department. So let's just see how this plays out.

I thought you said Trump was going to win.

Don't sit on the fence, red - make a decision.

I can tell you right now, that without a shadow of a doubt, Trump will not win the upcoming Presidential election.

Would you like to make a little bet on it?

red baron wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 4:36pm:

“Banks, intelligence, arms companies, foreign money, etc. are all united behind Hillary Clinton. And the media as well. Media owners, and the journalists themselves.” - See more at: http://pamelageller.com/2016/11/julian-assange-trump-wont-be-permitted-to-win. Yes your post states it clearly...all the vested interests lining up behind Clinton. The Democrats have rigged the system as Trump claims. The vote is all bout the 'college votes' a candidate can get. In the last election, Obama scored 52% of the popular vote but garnered 62% of the College Votes...the ones that count. The system is rigged alright in favour of the Democrats but if the dissatisfaction of the American Public can be gauged then maybe..just maybe the system will be chucked overboard which it sorely needs to be.

They're only united behind Clinton because she's the only viable candidate, Red. If Jeb Bush or Rubio or even - God forbid - Cruz was standing, the Establishment would be going with them too. Like most elections, it'd be around 50-50.

Trump is shallow, vague, confllicted, and has almost no redeeming policies. The ones he does have, including his tax policies, put the US in the red for trillions. Promising to "shake things up" and make things "great" with no policy detail is not presidential candidate material. Fact-checkers have found 67% of Trump's pronouncements to be false, and most of them lies. This certainly describes his reversal many of his past positions, including his past support for the Iraq war, his claim that Obama was born overseas, his statistics on black crime, how much tax he pays, and his past endorsement of Hilary Clinton.

As for "anti-Establishment", Trump is running for the Republican party, dear. They're the General Motors of political parties. They're as Blue Chip as they come.

Trump is the ultimate Establishment candidate. He's just so flakey, almost none of the Establishment can support him.

Forget about sex scandals and all of that shite.

Let's have a glass of reality.

America's national debt double in the 8 years of Obama.  Hillary Clinton absolutely endorses Obama therefore what is her plan to relieve the national debt? None...zip...more of the same.

America's involvement in foreign wars will absolutely continue as the Democrats are top heavy with Hawks. With Clinton at the helm it will be War! War! War!

Donald Trump is isolationist and will drastically reduce America's role of world cop. Let's face it...there hasn't been much of a success around in that role has it?

American corporations are fleeing overseas and millions of jobs have been lost under the Democrats. The Trading Policy Bill Clinton brought in has crippled America's ability to compete against giants such as China. American business is dying.

Obama Care supposedly a solution for America's Health problems is a disaster. So much so that Obama Health Care costs more per year than the average mortgage.  So if you live in America pray for good health because you will need it.

Makes up a nice summary of what Hillary Clinton has to offer America sweet f...k all. :)

red baron wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 4:53pm:

Forget about sex scandals and all of that shite. Let's have a glass of reality. America's national debt double in the 8 years of Obama.  Hillary Clinton absolutely endorses Obama therefore what is her plan to relieve the national debt? None...zip...more of the same. America's involvement in foreign wars will absolutely continue as the Democrats are top heavy with Hawks. With Clinton at the helm it will be War! War! War! Donald Trump is isolationist and will drastically reduce America's role of world cop. Let's face it...there hasn't been much of a success around in that role has it? American corporations are fleeing overseas and millions of jobs have been lost under the Democrats. The Trading Policy Bill Clinton brought in has crippled America's ability to compete against giants such as China. American business is dying. Obama Care supposedly a solution for America's Health problems is a disaster. So much so that Obama Health Care costs more per year than the average mortgage.  Sop if you live in America pray for good health because you will need it. Makes up a nice summary of what Hillary Clinton has to offer America sweet f...k all. :)

Who will win on Tuesday, red?

red baron wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 4:53pm:

Forget about sex scandals and all of that shite. Let's have a glass of reality. America's national debt double in the 8 years of Obama.  Hillary Clinton absolutely endorses Obama therefore what is her plan to relieve the national debt? None...zip...more of the same.

Quote:

A March 2016 analysis by the Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Center summarized Clinton's tax proposals as follows: "Hillary Clinton proposes raising taxes on high-income taxpayers, modifying taxation of multinational corporations, repealing fossil fuel tax incentives, and increasing estate and gift taxes. Her proposals would increase revenue by $1.1 trillion over the next decade. Nearly all of the tax increases would fall on the top 1 percent; the bottom 95 percent of taxpayers would see little or no change in their taxes. Marginal tax rates would increase, reducing incentives to work, save, and invest, and the tax code would become more complex. The analysis does not address a forthcoming proposal to cut taxes for low- and middle-income families."[78] Clinton specifically has proposed a 4% surcharge on taxpayers earning over $5 million a year; a 30% minimum tax rate on millionaires, defined as those with adjusted gross incomes above $1 million (the "Buffett Rule"), a 28% cap on most deductions, and increased taxes on long-term capital gains. The proposal also increases several business taxes, and seeks to penalize excessive risk-taking in the financial sector while at the same time creating incentives for business programs that would help workers and communities in distress.[79][80] The Tax Policy Center estimates that Clinton's plan, on average; would: leave the poorest earners' taxes essentially unchanged; increase middle-income households' taxes by $44 (a 0.001% change); increase the top 1%'s taxes by $78,000; and increase the top 0.1%'s taxes by $520,000.[79]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Hillary_Clinton#Economic_policy

And here's Trump:


Quote:

On the federal personal income tax, Trump has proposed collapsing the current seven brackets (which range from 10% to 39.6%) to three brackets of 10%, 20%, and 25%; increasing the standard deduction; taxing dividends and capital gains at a maximum rate of 20%; repealing the alternative minimum tax; and taxing carried interest income as ordinary business income (as opposed to existing law, which provides for preferential treatment of such income).[58][59] With respect to business taxes, Trump has proposed reducing the corporate tax rate to 15%; limiting the top individual income tax rate on pass-through businesses such as partnerships to no more than 15%; repealing most business tax breaks as well as the corporate alternative minimum tax; imposing a "deemed repatriation tax" of up to 10% of accumulated profits of foreign subsidiaries of U.S. companies on the effective date of the proposal, payable over 10 years; and taxing future profits of foreign subsidiaries of U.S. companies each year as the profits are earned (i.e., ending the deferral of income taxes on corporate income earned in other countries).[58][59] Trump has also called for the repeal of the federal estate tax and gift taxes and for capping the deductibility of business interest expenses.[58][59] Detailed analyses by both two nonpartisan tax research organizations, the conservative Tax Foundation and centrist Tax Policy Center, concluded that Trump's tax plan would "boost the after-tax incomes of the wealthiest households by an average of more than $1.3 million a year" and significantly lower taxes for the wealthy.[58][60] The Tax Policy Center "calculated the average tax cuts for the rich and the very rich" under Trump's plan as "$275,000 or 17.5 percent of after-tax income for the top 1 percent, and $1.3 million or nearly 19 percent for the top 0.1 percent (those making over $3.7 million)."[61] An analysis by Citizens for Tax Justice found that under Trump's plan, the poorest 20% of Americans would see a tax cut averaging $250, middle-income Americans would see an tax cut averaging just over $2,500, and the best-off 1% of Americans would see a tax cut averaging over $227,000.[59] CTJ determined that 37% of Trump's proposed tax cuts would benefit the top 1%.[61] Trump's claims that his tax plan would be "revenue neutral" have been rated "false" by PolitiFact, which found that "Free market-oriented and liberal groups alike say Trump's tax plan would lead to a $10 trillion revenue loss, even if it did create economic growth."[62] An analysis by the Tax Foundation indicated that Trump's tax proposal would increase economic growth by 11% and wages by 6.5%, and create 5.3 million jobs, while decreasing revenue by $10 trillion over a decade.[63]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Donald_Trump#Economic_policy

IF the election is free of electoral rigging then I would say Donald Trump would romp in.

However Trump believes there will be attempts at widespread rigging by the Democrats. If this occurs then a false result could occur.

If that happens get ready for a revolution because I believe the American Public have had enough of the brand of Politics people like the Clintons and Obama have delivered.

Incidentally would you care to point out Obamas' successes..easy there isn't any.

When Hillary Clinton was asked in the debate to state her successes an embarrassing silence from her followed....because there ain't none!

red baron wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 5:07pm:

IF the election is free of electoral rigging then I would say Donald Trump would romp in. However Trump believes there will be attempts at widespread rigging by the Democrats. If this occurs then a false result could occur. If that happens get ready for a revolution because I believe the American Public have had enough of the brand of Politics people like the Clintons and Obama have delivered. Incidentally would you care to point out Obamas' successes..easy there isn't any. When Hillary Clinton was asked in the debate to state her successes an embarrassing silence from her followed....because there ain't none!

Who will win on Tuesday, red?

If it is a fairly held election then  Donald Trump will romp in

red baron wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 5:14pm:

If it is a fairly held election then  Donald Trump will romp in

So Hillary can't win, eh?

Would you care to comment on the respective candidates tax policies?

red baron wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 5:14pm:

If it is a fairly held election then  Donald Trump will romp in

Who will win on Tuesday, red?

Trump or Clinton?

What you just typed up there Karnal...you really believe that do you? Then why wasn't it brought in during the 8 years of financial ruin that Obama reigned over and Clinton was Secretary of State?

Or was Hillary just biding her time so she could produce her plan of financial genius..bloody hell..give me a freaking break!

red baron wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 5:14pm:

If it is a fairly held election then  Donald Trump will romp in

If Trump wins, it's a fairly held election.

If Clinton wins, it's rigged.

Do you have any idea how childish you sound?

I'll give you this guarantee, red:

Clinton will win on Tuesday; Trump will say it was rigged; Trump will threaten legal action; nothing will come of it; Clinton will remain POTUS; Trump will sulk until he dies of a heart attack just before the next election.

Care to make a bet, old chum?

Not childish at all Gregg. If you look at the Clinton's dirty past it is littered with frauds and crimes. That's why the FBI are going for the Clinton Foundation's throat.

If they can do that with their foundation imagine the fun she can have with the whole economy to play with.

I have a rule Gregg. Never get involved in a game where the deck is stacked. I don't know how far the rigging has proceeded under the Clinton's watch. If it is close which is likely then any electoral  fraud will take on huge significance.  It is going to make for very interesting viewing next Wednesday.

red baron wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 5:22pm:

Not childish at all Gregg. If you look at the Clinton's dirty past it is littered with frauds and crimes. That's why the FBI are going for the Clinton Foundation's throat. If they can do that with their foundation imagine the fun she can have with the whole economy to play with.

Childish to the extreme.

Who's going to win on Tuesday, red - Clinton or Trump?

One word answer, please.

Who will Hillary bomb first?

I reckon KSA will tell her to bomb Yemen.

I don't bet when the game is rigged Gregg...but I can hope...so I will hope for a Trump victory

red - are you still looking for your balls?

One word answer: Trump or Clinton?

red baron wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 5:31pm:

I don't bet when the game is rigged Gregg...but I can hope...so I will hope for a Trump victory

There is no evidence whatsoever that the game is rigged, red.

However, for the sake of the argument, let's assume it is.

So, if Trump wins on Tuesday, it will be the result of a rigged election?

Yes or no, red?

You've claimed the game is rigged so, if the bloated alleged child rapist wins on Tuesday, it's the result of a rigged election - yes?

If Hillary Clinton gets in expect Iran to pop as Obama in his bargaining wisdom has cashed up Iran by releasing previously frozen billions of dollars. Word around the block is that ISIS see Iran as a nice plum on the tree ...just waiting for them to come on down.

red baron wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 5:34pm:

If Hillary Clinton gets in expect Iran to pop as Obama in his bargaining wisdom has cashed up Iran by releasing previously frozen billions of dollars. Word around the block is that ISIS see Iran as a nice plum on the tree ...just waiting for them to come on down.

You've claimed the game is rigged so, if the bloated alleged child rapist wins on Tuesday, it's the result of a rigged election - yes?

red baron wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 5:19pm:

What you just typed up there Karnal...you really believe that do you?

I didn't type it up, Red. It's the independent economic analysis of both candidates' policies. It includes the ratings agencies, Moodys and Standard & Poors, who have both predicted economic decline if Trump's policies are adopted. It's why the Establishment - those with money in the bank - are staying well clear of Trump.

Hillary Clinton isn't an alleged murderer...she is a murderer..Because of her appalling inaction in Libya to be murdered by terrorists.when she has sufficient prior warning as Secretary of State and she sat on her hands and allowed the U.S. Ambassador to be butchered along with other casualties in Benghazi.

red baron wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 5:34pm:

If Hillary Clinton gets in expect Iran to pop as Obama in his bargaining wisdom has cashed up Iran by releasing previously frozen billions of dollars. Word around the block is that ISIS see Iran as a nice plum on the tree ...just waiting for them to come on down.

Iran is the enemy of ISIS, Red. They've been funding anti-ISIS militias before the US got in on the act.

Would you care to back up your position on the candidates' economic policies?

red baron wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 5:31pm:

I don't bet when the game is rigged Gregg...but I can hope...so I will hope for a Trump victory

If he wins, he'll be winning a rigged election.

You said so yourself, red.

"the game is rigged"

So, to be clear:

- you believe the election is rigged

- if Clinton wins, you won't accept the results of the rigged election

- if Trump wins, you will accept the results of the rigged election

Did I miss anything, red?

red baron wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 5:44pm:

Hillary Clinton isn't an alleged murderer...she is a murderer..Because of her appalling inaction in Libya .

I see. Because her administration didn't do something (whatever you think that should have been), she's a murderer.

Good to see we're getting down to facts here, Red.

Not buying that report..Plenty of so called 'Independent Reports' around. Most of them are bullshite

red baron wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 5:49pm:

Not buying that report..Plenty of so called 'Independent Reports' around. Most of them are bullshite

Moodys and Standard & Poors provide the economic ratings, Red. They provide us with our AAA rating.

Where does your economic analysis come from?

NBC Caught Preparing Hillary Victory Results Before Election

Pre-election "results" conditioning public to accept rigged Hillary "victory"

Kit Daniels -  November 2, 2016 2623 Comments


NBC Caught Preparing Hillary Victory Results Before Election

A NBC station was caught posting election results showing a Hillary Clinton victory days before the election, fueling concerns that the mainstream media is conditioning the public to accept a rigged election favoring Hillary.

Political activists discovered a hidden web site for WRCB out of Chattanooga, Tenn. showing election results with Hillary Clinton securing 343 electoral votes and 42% of the popular vote.



The web site originated from the FTP server of WorldNow, a media software company that provides real-time data – such as election results – and other media assets to local news stations.


The activist who found the page pointed out that the results align well with the “fractional vote” method used by voting machines to rig elections to a predetermined outcome.

“On election day, you will see the same percentages overall, with only the numbers that claim to equal them different,” the activist reported. “The difference in total votes shown on the station pages, with the same overall final percentages proves the election theft is automated to hit desired percentages, no one has to lift a finger during the election itself to accomplish the steal.”




Election fraud expert Bev Harris was the first to uncover this method, which is also known as “vote shaving.”

“You need to have votes counted as fractions,” Harris said on The Alex Jones Show Monday. “You need the votes to be counted with decimal places, like you count money.”

“If a vote is a dollar, you also need to have cents with it. That will not show. It’s hidden.”



Vote shaving works by treating votes as decimals rather than whole numbers, which allows the machines to allocate the remaining fractional percentages elsewhere to sway election outcomes.

“There’s this one central computer, which at the end of the day, all the votes come to it,” Harris pointed out. “That’s where you take it. You don’t run around to 5,000 different precincts. You wait until the votes come to you, and then you have your way with them.”

And, interestingly, it appears the majority of the local news stations get their election results from the same software company.

Skeptics suggested the WorldNow page was part of a code test to ensure the software would post the actual results, but surprisingly, the data on the page was typed in – with no apparent code tabulating anything.

And it’s revealing that, more often than not, when the mainstream media “tests” election result software, it shows the establishment candidate winning the election.

At the very least, the results page shows obvious media bias towards Hillary, and it follows a pattern by the mainstream media to claim Hillary has already won the election weeks before Nov. 8 in an attempt to suppress voter enthusiasm for Trump, which is one of his major advantages.

This discovery comes amid Project Veritas’ damning videos exposing Democrat operatives discussing how they’ve been rigging elections for the last 50 years, as well as Wikileaks’ relentless data dumping of John Podesta’s emails revealing more collusion and corruption between the Clinton campaign and the mainstream media.

WRCB could not be immediately reached for comment.

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red baron wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 5:56pm:

NBC Caught Preparing Hillary Victory Results Before Election Pre-election "results" conditioning public to accept rigged Hillary "victory" Kit Daniels -  November 2, 2016 2623 Comments NBC Caught Preparing Hillary Victory Results Before Election A NBC station was caught posting election results showing a Hillary Clinton victory days before the election, fueling concerns that the mainstream media is conditioning the public to accept a rigged election favoring Hillary. Political activists discovered a hidden web site for WRCB out of Chattanooga, Tenn. showing election results with Hillary Clinton securing 343 electoral votes and 42% of the popular vote. The web site originated from the FTP server of WorldNow, a media software company that provides real-time data – such as election results – and other media assets to local news stations. The activist who found the page pointed out that the results align well with the “fractional vote” method used by voting machines to rig elections to a predetermined outcome. “On election day, you will see the same percentages overall, with only the numbers that claim to equal them different,” the activist reported. “The difference in total votes shown on the station pages, with the same overall final percentages proves the election theft is automated to hit desired percentages, no one has to lift a finger during the election itself to accomplish the steal.” Election fraud expert Bev Harris was the first to uncover this method, which is also known as “vote shaving.” “You need to have votes counted as fractions,” Harris said on The Alex Jones Show Monday. “You need the votes to be counted with decimal places, like you count money.” “If a vote is a dollar, you also need to have cents with it. That will not show. It’s hidden.” Vote shaving works by treating votes as decimals rather than whole numbers, which allows the machines to allocate the remaining fractional percentages elsewhere to sway election outcomes. “There’s this one central computer, which at the end of the day, all the votes come to it,” Harris pointed out. “That’s where you take it. You don’t run around to 5,000 different precincts. You wait until the votes come to you, and then you have your way with them.” And, interestingly, it appears the majority of the local news stations get their election results from the same software company. Skeptics suggested the WorldNow page was part of a code test to ensure the software would post the actual results, but surprisingly, the data on the page was typed in – with no apparent code tabulating anything. And it’s revealing that, more often than not, when the mainstream media “tests” election result software, it shows the establishment candidate winning the election. At the very least, the results page shows obvious media bias towards Hillary, and it follows a pattern by the mainstream media to claim Hillary has already won the election weeks before Nov. 8 in an attempt to suppress voter enthusiasm for Trump, which is one of his major advantages. This discovery comes amid Project Veritas’ damning videos exposing Democrat operatives discussing how they’ve been rigging elections for the last 50 years, as well as Wikileaks’ relentless data dumping of John Podesta’s emails revealing more collusion and corruption between the Clinton campaign and the mainstream media. WRCB could not be immediately reached for comment. Facebook: RealKitDaniels

Where does this come from, Red?

red baron wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 5:31pm:

I don't bet when the game is rigged Gregg...but I can hope...so I will hope for a Trump victory

If he wins, he'll be winning a rigged election.

You said so yourself, red.

"the game is rigged"

So, to be clear:

- you believe the election is rigged

- if Clinton wins, you won't accept the results of the rigged election

- if Trump wins, you will accept the results of the rigged election

Did I miss anything, red?

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 6:01pm:

- if Clinton wins, you won't accept the results of the rigged election - if Trump wins, you will accept the results of the rigged election

Strange - that's exactly Trump's position.

This election is no longer about truth or facts, it's about na na na-na na.

No Gregg think you've covered the bases just nicely. Only if Trump wins it will be 'in spite' of the rigging by the Democrats.

red baron wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 6:08pm:

No Gregg think you've covered the bases just nicely. Only if Trump wins it will be 'in spite' of the rigging by the Democrats.

Can you please explain your position, then?

Why are you only prepared to accept the results of a "rigged election" if it goes in your favour?

Are you ten years old, red?

Some voter fraud is conceivable, but rigging an election in the USA would require a conspiracy of a gargantuan scale. And if there were that many people intent on winning, all they would have to do is vote.

issuevoter wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 6:24pm:

Some voter fraud is conceivable, but rigging an election in the USA would require a conspiracy of a gargantuan scale. And if there were that many people intent on winning, all they would have to do is vote.

Abbott and the Liberal Party trumped up some rubbish and got Pauline thrown in the can because she had too much support. Even Australia has done this rubbish. America is the king of it. It's not hard to get vote counters to bin Trump votes or write down the wrong figures.

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 6:30pm:

issuevoter wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:24pm: Some voter fraud is conceivable, but rigging an election in the USA would require a conspiracy of a gargantuan scale. And if there were that many people intent on winning, all they would have to do is vote. Abbott and the Liberal Party trumped up some rubbish and got Pauline thrown in the can because she had too much support. Even Australia has done this rubbish. America is the king of it. It's not hard to get vote counters to bin Trump votes or write down the wrong figures.

Is the election rigged, Homo?

red baron wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 6:08pm:

No Gregg think you've covered the bases just nicely. Only if Trump wins it will be 'in spite' of the rigging by the Democrats.

So you'll say the election was rigged no matter what happens, eh?

I understand, Red. So far, almost every single position you've taken here has been wrong - sometimes disasterously so. The ones that aren't wrong are hypotheticals - like Hillary will give money to ISIS to invade Iran - or vice-versa. You weren't too clear on that one, so we can hardly prove it false.

All of your positions and hypotheticals come from Trump-backed websites - discussion boards and fake news sites - many with anonymous "journalists". All of them are extentions of Trump's podium pronouncements.

You know, Hillary's guilty of treason, Barrack Obama's a Muslim, Michelle Obama's a man, and on and on and on. Trump will try anything, and the more surreal it gets, the more you go with it.

It's like those bizzare daytime American soap operas where the characters come back from the dead. The actors are often stopped in the street and mistaken for their characters.

I never took you for a dumb American, Red, but in this election, you've proven me completely wrong. Just when I think it can't get any more stupid and farcical, I'm thwarted in my tracks.

Donald Trump is the Messiah - take that, Karnal.

Hillary Clinton's a member of ISIS - suck on that one.

Drats. Foiled again.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 6:01pm:

red baron wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 5:31pm: I don't bet when the game is rigged Gregg...but I can hope...so I will hope for a Trump victory If he wins, he'll be winning a rigged election. You said so yourself, red. "the game is rigged" So, to be clear: - you believe the election is rigged - if Clinton wins, you won't accept the results of the rigged election - if Trump wins, you will accept the results of the rigged election Did I miss anything, red?

It is rigged in HER favour. If he still wins he will win an election that was rigged against him.

How thick can you be??

The Establishment are scared stiff of Donald Trump

One of the elections biggest lies: Trump is the establishment.

red baron wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 5:31pm:

I don't bet when the game is rigged Gregg...but I can hope...so I will hope for a Trump victory

Seldom do you see the it was rigged excuse played so early or so often.

Frank wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 6:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:01pm: red baron wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 5:31pm: I don't bet when the game is rigged Gregg...but I can hope...so I will hope for a Trump victory If he wins, he'll be winning a rigged election. You said so yourself, red. "the game is rigged" So, to be clear: - you believe the election is rigged - if Clinton wins, you won't accept the results of the rigged election - if Trump wins, you will accept the results of the rigged election Did I miss anything, red? It is rigged in HER favour.

Ah.

You have proof of this, of course?

Or, are you just saying that because you can't bring yourself to accept that Trump is the most unworthy presidential candidate the world has ever seen, and he will be convincingly defeated on Tuesday?

It's one or the other, Frank.

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 6:30pm:

issuevoter wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:24pm: Some voter fraud is conceivable, but rigging an election in the USA would require a conspiracy of a gargantuan scale. And if there were that many people intent on winning, all they would have to do is vote. Abbott and the Liberal Party trumped up some rubbish and got Pauline thrown in the can because she had too much support. Even Australia has done this rubbish. America is the king of it. It's not hard to get vote counters to bin Trump votes or write down the wrong figures.

So why isn't Trump doing it?

Too ethical, eh?

Big Donger wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 6:36pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:30pm: issuevoter wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:24pm: Some voter fraud is conceivable, but rigging an election in the USA would require a conspiracy of a gargantuan scale. And if there were that many people intent on winning, all they would have to do is vote. Abbott and the Liberal Party trumped up some rubbish and got Pauline thrown in the can because she had too much support. Even Australia has done this rubbish. America is the king of it. It's not hard to get vote counters to bin Trump votes or write down the wrong figures. So why isn't Trump doing it? Too ethical, eh?

Even you can see a lop sided media aspect to Trump Karnal. Do you believe that's right? It's bloody disgusting. What's happening to Trump is what Stalin and Hitler did to political competition. It's a bad road to go down. I believe it's going to play into his hands though because most American's have no faith in their leaders. Especially after how veterans  and their families have been treated in those stupid wars.

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 6:42pm:

What's happening to Trump ...

... is being done by Trump.

He's his own worst enemy.

Big Donger wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 6:36pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:30pm: issuevoter wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:24pm: Some voter fraud is conceivable, but rigging an election in the USA would require a conspiracy of a gargantuan scale. And if there were that many people intent on winning, all they would have to do is vote. Abbott and the Liberal Party trumped up some rubbish and got Pauline thrown in the can because she had too much support. Even Australia has done this rubbish. America is the king of it. It's not hard to get vote counters to bin Trump votes or write down the wrong figures. So why isn't Trump doing it? Too ethical, eh?

The election that was won 5 votes to 3 in the high court was won by the republicans. They didn't like the result so decided to not count the votes.

History is clearly on Trumps side in terms of rigged elections.

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 6:42pm:

Big Donger wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:36pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:30pm: issuevoter wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:24pm: Some voter fraud is conceivable, but rigging an election in the USA would require a conspiracy of a gargantuan scale. And if there were that many people intent on winning, all they would have to do is vote. Abbott and the Liberal Party trumped up some rubbish and got Pauline thrown in the can because she had too much support. Even Australia has done this rubbish. America is the king of it. It's not hard to get vote counters to bin Trump votes or write down the wrong figures. So why isn't Trump doing it? Too ethical, eh? Even you can see a lop sided media aspect to Trump Karnal. Do you believe that's right? It's bloody disgusting.

I don't know what you're seeing. All week I've been watching shock * disaster *  explosive *  FBI investigation * Wiener.

A couple of weeks before that it was shock * scandal *  locker room talk * pussy.

Hillary has been boring in this campaign. Trump has drawn the focus to himself. This strategy worked in the primaries, but it fell disasterously short in the election, which was predicted all along if Trump didn't start setting himself up as a sensible candidate and pitching to the middle ground. Most of the media I've seen has shown pundits aghast at some of the things Trump has come out with to alienate the middle ground.

If this is media rigging, why is Trump saying it in the first place?

The media is not rigged, Homo. Your claim is the vote is rigged. My question is why isn't Trump rigging it too?

Oh, look. Turns out he is.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/04/if-anyone-is-rigging-the-us-election-its-the-republicans/

But that's media rigging, isn't it?

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 6:44pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:42pm: What's happening to Trump ... ... is being done by Trump. He's his own worst enemy.

Yes trump has been accused of believing that he can sexually assault women..

How do we know this ? 

Because he told us !

You have to wonder if he can do that because he is famous - what does he think the President can get away with?

Dnarever wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 6:57pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:44pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:42pm: What's happening to Trump ... ... is being done by Trump. He's his own worst enemy. Yes trump has been accused of believing that he can sexually assault women.. How do we know this ?  Because he told us ! You have to wonder if he can do that because he is famous - what does he think the President can get away with?

So you've never said something naughty about women then?

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 6:59pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:57pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:44pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:42pm: What's happening to Trump ... ... is being done by Trump. He's his own worst enemy. Yes trump has been accused of believing that he can sexually assault women.. How do we know this ?  Because he told us ! You have to wonder if he can do that because he is famous - what does he think the President can get away with? So you've never said something naughty about women then?

He's never run for President.

Big Donger wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 6:56pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:42pm: Big Donger wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:36pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:30pm: issuevoter wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:24pm: Some voter fraud is conceivable, but rigging an election in the USA would require a conspiracy of a gargantuan scale. And if there were that many people intent on winning, all they would have to do is vote. Abbott and the Liberal Party trumped up some rubbish and got Pauline thrown in the can because she had too much support. Even Australia has done this rubbish. America is the king of it. It's not hard to get vote counters to bin Trump votes or write down the wrong figures. So why isn't Trump doing it? Too ethical, eh? Even you can see a lop sided media aspect to Trump Karnal. Do you believe that's right? It's bloody disgusting. I don't know what you're seeing. All week I've been watching shock * disaster *  explosive *  FBI investigation * Wiener. A couple of weeks before that it was shock * scandal *  locker room talk * pussy. Hillary has been boring in this campaign. Trump has drawn the focus to himself. This strategy worked in the primaries, but it fell disasterously short in the election, which was predicted all along if Trump didn't start setting himself up as a sensible candidate and pitching to the middle ground. The media is not rigged, Homo. Your claim is the vote is rigged. My question is why isn't Trump rigging it too? Oh, look. Turns out he is. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/04/if-anyone-is-rigging-the-us-election-its-the-republicans/ But that's media rigging, isn't it?

karnal- The media is not rigged, Homo. Your claim is the vote is rigged. My question is why isn't Trump rigging it too?



Yes, most media venom has been aimed at Trump and vote rigging is a possibility. It happens all around the world.

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 7:01pm:

Big Donger wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:56pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:42pm: Big Donger wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:36pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:30pm: issuevoter wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:24pm: Some voter fraud is conceivable, but rigging an election in the USA would require a conspiracy of a gargantuan scale. And if there were that many people intent on winning, all they would have to do is vote. Abbott and the Liberal Party trumped up some rubbish and got Pauline thrown in the can because she had too much support. Even Australia has done this rubbish. America is the king of it. It's not hard to get vote counters to bin Trump votes or write down the wrong figures. So why isn't Trump doing it? Too ethical, eh? Even you can see a lop sided media aspect to Trump Karnal. Do you believe that's right? It's bloody disgusting. I don't know what you're seeing. All week I've been watching shock * disaster *  explosive *  FBI investigation * Wiener. A couple of weeks before that it was shock * scandal *  locker room talk * pussy. Hillary has been boring in this campaign. Trump has drawn the focus to himself. This strategy worked in the primaries, but it fell disasterously short in the election, which was predicted all along if Trump didn't start setting himself up as a sensible candidate and pitching to the middle ground. The media is not rigged, Homo. Your claim is the vote is rigged. My question is why isn't Trump rigging it too? Oh, look. Turns out he is. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/04/if-anyone-is-rigging-the-us-election-its-the-republicans/ But that's media rigging, isn't it? karnal- The media is not rigged, Homo. Your claim is the vote is rigged. My question is why isn't Trump rigging it too? Yes, most media venom has been aimed at Trump and vote rigging is a possibility. It happens all around the world.

Vote rigging at the ballot box karnal. I don't understand how Trump can rig an election that hasn't happened yet. Or how he can for that matter.

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 7:01pm:

Big Donger wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:56pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:42pm: Big Donger wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:36pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:30pm: issuevoter wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:24pm: Some voter fraud is conceivable, but rigging an election in the USA would require a conspiracy of a gargantuan scale. And if there were that many people intent on winning, all they would have to do is vote. Abbott and the Liberal Party trumped up some rubbish and got Pauline thrown in the can because she had too much support. Even Australia has done this rubbish. America is the king of it. It's not hard to get vote counters to bin Trump votes or write down the wrong figures. So why isn't Trump doing it? Too ethical, eh? Even you can see a lop sided media aspect to Trump Karnal. Do you believe that's right? It's bloody disgusting. I don't know what you're seeing. All week I've been watching shock * disaster *  explosive *  FBI investigation * Wiener. A couple of weeks before that it was shock * scandal *  locker room talk * pussy. Hillary has been boring in this campaign. Trump has drawn the focus to himself. This strategy worked in the primaries, but it fell disasterously short in the election, which was predicted all along if Trump didn't start setting himself up as a sensible candidate and pitching to the middle ground. The media is not rigged, Homo. Your claim is the vote is rigged. My question is why isn't Trump rigging it too? Oh, look. Turns out he is. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/04/if-anyone-is-rigging-the-us-election-its-the-republicans/ But that's media rigging, isn't it? karnal- The media is not rigged, Homo. Your claim is the vote is rigged. My question is why isn't Trump rigging it too? Yes, most media venom has been aimed at Trump and vote rigging is a possibility. It happens all around the world.

It doesn't happen in Australia. It happens in the US with voter registration and slowing  voting down to discourage people who have to work.

Throwing votes out only happens if they're ruled inelligible. Some counties do this on frivolous technicalities.

In the US, voting is not compulsory. The election is held on a week day. Non-compulsory voting already rigs the election in favour of older, whiter and wealthier types.

This system favours Republicans. Trump is the Republican candidate. If that's not "Establishment", I don't know what is.

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 7:06pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 7:01pm: Big Donger wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:56pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:42pm: Big Donger wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:36pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:30pm: issuevoter wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:24pm: Some voter fraud is conceivable, but rigging an election in the USA would require a conspiracy of a gargantuan scale. And if there were that many people intent on winning, all they would have to do is vote. Abbott and the Liberal Party trumped up some rubbish and got Pauline thrown in the can because she had too much support. Even Australia has done this rubbish. America is the king of it. It's not hard to get vote counters to bin Trump votes or write down the wrong figures. So why isn't Trump doing it? Too ethical, eh? Even you can see a lop sided media aspect to Trump Karnal. Do you believe that's right? It's bloody disgusting. I don't know what you're seeing. All week I've been watching shock * disaster *  explosive *  FBI investigation * Wiener. A couple of weeks before that it was shock * scandal *  locker room talk * pussy. Hillary has been boring in this campaign. Trump has drawn the focus to himself. This strategy worked in the primaries, but it fell disasterously short in the election, which was predicted all along if Trump didn't start setting himself up as a sensible candidate and pitching to the middle ground. The media is not rigged, Homo. Your claim is the vote is rigged. My question is why isn't Trump rigging it too? Oh, look. Turns out he is. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/04/if-anyone-is-rigging-the-us-election-its-the-republicans/ But that's media rigging, isn't it? karnal- The media is not rigged, Homo. Your claim is the vote is rigged. My question is why isn't Trump rigging it too? Yes, most media venom has been aimed at Trump and vote rigging is a possibility. It happens all around the world. Vote rigging at the ballot box karnal. I don't understand how Trump can rig an election that hasn't happened yet. Or how he can for that matter.

Strange. For the last few weeks you've been claiming Hillary is doing just that.

Big Donger wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 7:09pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 7:01pm: Big Donger wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:56pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:42pm: Big Donger wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:36pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:30pm: issuevoter wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:24pm: Some voter fraud is conceivable, but rigging an election in the USA would require a conspiracy of a gargantuan scale. And if there were that many people intent on winning, all they would have to do is vote. Abbott and the Liberal Party trumped up some rubbish and got Pauline thrown in the can because she had too much support. Even Australia has done this rubbish. America is the king of it. It's not hard to get vote counters to bin Trump votes or write down the wrong figures. So why isn't Trump doing it? Too ethical, eh? Even you can see a lop sided media aspect to Trump Karnal. Do you believe that's right? It's bloody disgusting. I don't know what you're seeing. All week I've been watching shock * disaster *  explosive *  FBI investigation * Wiener. A couple of weeks before that it was shock * scandal *  locker room talk * pussy. Hillary has been boring in this campaign. Trump has drawn the focus to himself. This strategy worked in the primaries, but it fell disasterously short in the election, which was predicted all along if Trump didn't start setting himself up as a sensible candidate and pitching to the middle ground. The media is not rigged, Homo. Your claim is the vote is rigged. My question is why isn't Trump rigging it too? Oh, look. Turns out he is. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/04/if-anyone-is-rigging-the-us-election-its-the-republicans/ But that's media rigging, isn't it? karnal- The media is not rigged, Homo. Your claim is the vote is rigged. My question is why isn't Trump rigging it too? Yes, most media venom has been aimed at Trump and vote rigging is a possibility. It happens all around the world. It doesn't happen in Australia. It happens in the US with voter registration and slowing  voting down to discourage people who have to work. Throwing votes out only happens if they're ruled inelligible. Some counties do this on frivolous technicalities. In the US, voting is not compulsory. The election is held on a week day. Non-compulsory voting already rigs the election in favour of older, whiter and wealthier types. This system favours Republicans. Trump is the Republican candidate. If that's not "Establishment", I don't know what is.

aren't you naïve.

Big Donger wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 7:09pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 7:06pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 7:01pm: Big Donger wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:56pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:42pm: Big Donger wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:36pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:30pm: issuevoter wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:24pm: Some voter fraud is conceivable, but rigging an election in the USA would require a conspiracy of a gargantuan scale. And if there were that many people intent on winning, all they would have to do is vote. Abbott and the Liberal Party trumped up some rubbish and got Pauline thrown in the can because she had too much support. Even Australia has done this rubbish. America is the king of it. It's not hard to get vote counters to bin Trump votes or write down the wrong figures. So why isn't Trump doing it? Too ethical, eh? Even you can see a lop sided media aspect to Trump Karnal. Do you believe that's right? It's bloody disgusting. I don't know what you're seeing. All week I've been watching shock * disaster *  explosive *  FBI investigation * Wiener. A couple of weeks before that it was shock * scandal *  locker room talk * pussy. Hillary has been boring in this campaign. Trump has drawn the focus to himself. This strategy worked in the primaries, but it fell disasterously short in the election, which was predicted all along if Trump didn't start setting himself up as a sensible candidate and pitching to the middle ground. The media is not rigged, Homo. Your claim is the vote is rigged. My question is why isn't Trump rigging it too? Oh, look. Turns out he is. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/04/if-anyone-is-rigging-the-us-election-its-the-republicans/ But that's media rigging, isn't it? karnal- The media is not rigged, Homo. Your claim is the vote is rigged. My question is why isn't Trump rigging it too? Yes, most media venom has been aimed at Trump and vote rigging is a possibility. It happens all around the world. Vote rigging at the ballot box karnal. I don't understand how Trump can rig an election that hasn't happened yet. Or how he can for that matter. Strange. For the last few weeks you've been claiming Hillary is doing just that.

I didn't say Hillary would rig it if it happens. Either independent people or people who are behind the scenes who don't want Trump. The American establishment doesn't want Trump because they think he is unstable and if elected will cause civil disorder. Don't you believe things like this happen??

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 7:13pm:

Big Donger wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 7:09pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 7:06pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 7:01pm: Big Donger wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:56pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:42pm: Big Donger wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:36pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:30pm: issuevoter wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:24pm: Some voter fraud is conceivable, but rigging an election in the USA would require a conspiracy of a gargantuan scale. And if there were that many people intent on winning, all they would have to do is vote. Abbott and the Liberal Party trumped up some rubbish and got Pauline thrown in the can because she had too much support. Even Australia has done this rubbish. America is the king of it. It's not hard to get vote counters to bin Trump votes or write down the wrong figures. So why isn't Trump doing it? Too ethical, eh? Even you can see a lop sided media aspect to Trump Karnal. Do you believe that's right? It's bloody disgusting. I don't know what you're seeing. All week I've been watching shock * disaster *  explosive *  FBI investigation * Wiener. A couple of weeks before that it was shock * scandal *  locker room talk * pussy. Hillary has been boring in this campaign. Trump has drawn the focus to himself. This strategy worked in the primaries, but it fell disasterously short in the election, which was predicted all along if Trump didn't start setting himself up as a sensible candidate and pitching to the middle ground. The media is not rigged, Homo. Your claim is the vote is rigged. My question is why isn't Trump rigging it too? Oh, look. Turns out he is. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/04/if-anyone-is-rigging-the-us-election-its-the-republicans/ But that's media rigging, isn't it? karnal- The media is not rigged, Homo. Your claim is the vote is rigged. My question is why isn't Trump rigging it too? Yes, most media venom has been aimed at Trump and vote rigging is a possibility. It happens all around the world. Vote rigging at the ballot box karnal. I don't understand how Trump can rig an election that hasn't happened yet. Or how he can for that matter. Strange. For the last few weeks you've been claiming Hillary is doing just that. I didn't say Hillary would rig it if it happens. Either independent people or people who are behind the scenes who don't want Trump. The American establishment doesn't want Trump because they think he is unstable and if elected will cause civil disorder. Don't you believe things like this happen??

This tin foil hat of yours, Homo - is it 'one size fits all'?

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 7:15pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 7:13pm: Big Donger wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 7:09pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 7:06pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 7:01pm: Big Donger wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:56pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:42pm: Big Donger wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:36pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:30pm: issuevoter wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:24pm: Some voter fraud is conceivable, but rigging an election in the USA would require a conspiracy of a gargantuan scale. And if there were that many people intent on winning, all they would have to do is vote. Abbott and the Liberal Party trumped up some rubbish and got Pauline thrown in the can because she had too much support. Even Australia has done this rubbish. America is the king of it. It's not hard to get vote counters to bin Trump votes or write down the wrong figures. So why isn't Trump doing it? Too ethical, eh? Even you can see a lop sided media aspect to Trump Karnal. Do you believe that's right? It's bloody disgusting. I don't know what you're seeing. All week I've been watching shock * disaster *  explosive *  FBI investigation * Wiener. A couple of weeks before that it was shock * scandal *  locker room talk * pussy. Hillary has been boring in this campaign. Trump has drawn the focus to himself. This strategy worked in the primaries, but it fell disasterously short in the election, which was predicted all along if Trump didn't start setting himself up as a sensible candidate and pitching to the middle ground. The media is not rigged, Homo. Your claim is the vote is rigged. My question is why isn't Trump rigging it too? Oh, look. Turns out he is. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/04/if-anyone-is-rigging-the-us-election-its-the-republicans/ But that's media rigging, isn't it? karnal- The media is not rigged, Homo. Your claim is the vote is rigged. My question is why isn't Trump rigging it too? Yes, most media venom has been aimed at Trump and vote rigging is a possibility. It happens all around the world. Vote rigging at the ballot box karnal. I don't understand how Trump can rig an election that hasn't happened yet. Or how he can for that matter. Strange. For the last few weeks you've been claiming Hillary is doing just that. I didn't say Hillary would rig it if it happens. Either independent people or people who are behind the scenes who don't want Trump. The American establishment doesn't want Trump because they think he is unstable and if elected will cause civil disorder. Don't you believe things like this happen?? This tin foil hat of yours, Homo - is it 'one size fits all'?

I'd rather be paranoid that a mushroom who believes that  the world isn't run by criminals.

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 6:59pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:57pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:44pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:42pm: What's happening to Trump ... ... is being done by Trump. He's his own worst enemy. Yes trump has been accused of believing that he can sexually assault women.. How do we know this ?  Because he told us ! You have to wonder if he can do that because he is famous - what does he think the President can get away with? So you've never said something naughty about women then?

Not during a national TV interview, no.

And if something like that's not bad enough for a US presidential candidate - admitting to groping and tongue-kissing strangers, married women and employees because he's a celebrity and he can - women have come out to back up his story.

Alas, Homo, I'd say none of us think we're famous enough to go up to random strangers and do "anything". If you think this is the voice of the common man, you're delusional.

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 7:18pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 7:15pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 7:13pm: Big Donger wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 7:09pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 7:06pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 7:01pm: Big Donger wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:56pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:42pm: Big Donger wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:36pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:30pm: issuevoter wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:24pm: Some voter fraud is conceivable, but rigging an election in the USA would require a conspiracy of a gargantuan scale. And if there were that many people intent on winning, all they would have to do is vote. Abbott and the Liberal Party trumped up some rubbish and got Pauline thrown in the can because she had too much support. Even Australia has done this rubbish. America is the king of it. It's not hard to get vote counters to bin Trump votes or write down the wrong figures. So why isn't Trump doing it? Too ethical, eh? Even you can see a lop sided media aspect to Trump Karnal. Do you believe that's right? It's bloody disgusting. I don't know what you're seeing. All week I've been watching shock * disaster *  explosive *  FBI investigation * Wiener. A couple of weeks before that it was shock * scandal *  locker room talk * pussy. Hillary has been boring in this campaign. Trump has drawn the focus to himself. This strategy worked in the primaries, but it fell disasterously short in the election, which was predicted all along if Trump didn't start setting himself up as a sensible candidate and pitching to the middle ground. The media is not rigged, Homo. Your claim is the vote is rigged. My question is why isn't Trump rigging it too? Oh, look. Turns out he is. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/04/if-anyone-is-rigging-the-us-election-its-the-republicans/ But that's media rigging, isn't it? karnal- The media is not rigged, Homo. Your claim is the vote is rigged. My question is why isn't Trump rigging it too? Yes, most media venom has been aimed at Trump and vote rigging is a possibility. It happens all around the world. Vote rigging at the ballot box karnal. I don't understand how Trump can rig an election that hasn't happened yet. Or how he can for that matter. Strange. For the last few weeks you've been claiming Hillary is doing just that. I didn't say Hillary would rig it if it happens. Either independent people or people who are behind the scenes who don't want Trump. The American establishment doesn't want Trump because they think he is unstable and if elected will cause civil disorder. Don't you believe things like this happen?? This tin foil hat of yours, Homo - is it 'one size fits all'? I'd rather be paranoid that a mushroom who believes that  the world isn't run by criminals.

So, if Trump becomes POTUS, he's a criminal ... right?

Big Donger wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 7:19pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:59pm: Dnarever wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:57pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:44pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:42pm: What's happening to Trump ... ... is being done by Trump. He's his own worst enemy. Yes trump has been accused of believing that he can sexually assault women.. How do we know this ?  Because he told us ! You have to wonder if he can do that because he is famous - what does he think the President can get away with? So you've never said something naughty about women then? Not during a national TV interview, no. And if something like that's not bad enough for a US presidential candidate - admitting to groping and tongue-kissing strangers, married women and employees because he's a celebrity and he can - women have come out to back up his story. Alas, Homo, I'd say none of us think we're famous enough to go up to random strangers and do "anything". If you think this is the voice of the common man, you're delusional.

It wasn't a national TV interview. Why would he do that? It was a private conversation that was  recorded. GEEZ KARNAL!!!

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 7:13pm:

[quote author=Karnal link=1478321981/61#61 date=1478336991] The American establishment doesn't want Trump because they think he is unstable and if elected will cause civil disorder. Don't you believe things like this happen??

I think if Trump's not elected he will cause civil disorder. The old boy's already saying just that - Americans should vote Trump or face another revolution.

That's right - the old boy. The most reactionary knucklehead on this board. A rusted-on Establishment type.

He's now quoting Marxists and talking about the workers of the world.

As long as they're not tinted, of course.

Some of the stuff Karnal has written on here makes Trump look like a choir boy. MIAM MIAM!!!

Big Donger wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 7:25pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 7:13pm: [quote author=Karnal link=1478321981/61#61 date=1478336991] The American establishment doesn't want Trump because they think he is unstable and if elected will cause civil disorder. Don't you believe things like this happen?? I think if Trump's not elected he will cause civil disorder. The old boy's already saying just that - Americans should vote Trump or face another revolution. That's right - the old boy. The most reactionary knucklehead on this board. A rusted-on Establishment type. He's now quoting Marxists and talking about the workers of the world. As long as they're not tinted, of course.

Who would be first to go off karnal- the anti Trump blacks and Mexicans or the pro Trump good ol' boys? I know who I'd be backing.

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 7:23pm:

Big Donger wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 7:19pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:59pm: Dnarever wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:57pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:44pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:42pm: What's happening to Trump ... ... is being done by Trump. He's his own worst enemy. Yes trump has been accused of believing that he can sexually assault women.. How do we know this ?  Because he told us ! You have to wonder if he can do that because he is famous - what does he think the President can get away with? So you've never said something naughty about women then? Not during a national TV interview, no. And if something like that's not bad enough for a US presidential candidate - admitting to groping and tongue-kissing strangers, married women and employees because he's a celebrity and he can - women have come out to back up his story. Alas, Homo, I'd say none of us think we're famous enough to go up to random strangers and do "anything". If you think this is the voice of the common man, you're delusional. It wasn't a national TV interview. Why would he do that? It was a private conversation that was  recorded. GEEZ KARNAL!!!

He was talking to a TV presenter on camera, dear. He was in a big luxury bus, travelling around and waxing lyrical about life as a celebrity billionaire.

Jockohomo would be ropeable. White enclave Eastern suburbs-type private school snobs crowing about their affluence. What would they know about real people like us? They don't have to live next to a darkies and tree-loppers.

Good to see you're okay with it. But can I ask?

What is it that you see in Trump? You've never been this keen for a US presidential candidate.

I'm curious. What is it about Trump?

Big Donger wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 7:31pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 7:23pm: Big Donger wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 7:19pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:59pm: Dnarever wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:57pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:44pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:42pm: What's happening to Trump ... ... is being done by Trump. He's his own worst enemy. Yes trump has been accused of believing that he can sexually assault women.. How do we know this ?  Because he told us ! You have to wonder if he can do that because he is famous - what does he think the President can get away with? So you've never said something naughty about women then? Not during a national TV interview, no. And if something like that's not bad enough for a US presidential candidate - admitting to groping and tongue-kissing strangers, married women and employees because he's a celebrity and he can - women have come out to back up his story. Alas, Homo, I'd say none of us think we're famous enough to go up to random strangers and do "anything". If you think this is the voice of the common man, you're delusional. It wasn't a national TV interview. Why would he do that? It was a private conversation that was  recorded. GEEZ KARNAL!!! He was talking to a TV presenter on camera, dear. He was in a big luxury bus, travelling around and waxing lyrical about life as a celebrity billionaire. Jockohomo would be ropeable. White enclave Eastern suburbs-type private school snobs crowing about their affluence. What would they know about us commoners? They don't have to live next to a darkie. Good to see you're okay with it. But can I ask? What is it that you see in Trump? You've never been this keen for a US presidential candidate. I'm curious. What is it about Trump?

No dear, it's a private conversation on a bus recorded by a scumbag called Billy Bush. Unknown to Trump.

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 7:36pm:

Big Donger wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 7:31pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 7:23pm: Big Donger wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 7:19pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:59pm: Dnarever wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:57pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:44pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:42pm: What's happening to Trump ... ... is being done by Trump. He's his own worst enemy. Yes trump has been accused of believing that he can sexually assault women.. How do we know this ?  Because he told us ! You have to wonder if he can do that because he is famous - what does he think the President can get away with? So you've never said something naughty about women then? Not during a national TV interview, no. And if something like that's not bad enough for a US presidential candidate - admitting to groping and tongue-kissing strangers, married women and employees because he's a celebrity and he can - women have come out to back up his story. Alas, Homo, I'd say none of us think we're famous enough to go up to random strangers and do "anything". If you think this is the voice of the common man, you're delusional. It wasn't a national TV interview. Why would he do that? It was a private conversation that was  recorded. GEEZ KARNAL!!! He was talking to a TV presenter on camera, dear. He was in a big luxury bus, travelling around and waxing lyrical about life as a celebrity billionaire. Jockohomo would be ropeable. White enclave Eastern suburbs-type private school snobs crowing about their affluence. What would they know about us commoners? They don't have to live next to a darkie. Good to see you're okay with it. But can I ask? What is it that you see in Trump? You've never been this keen for a US presidential candidate. I'm curious. What is it about Trump? No dear, it's a private conversation on a bus recorded by a scumbag called Billy Bush. Unknown to Trump.

Once again, you didn't answer the question.

It's getting to be a (bad) habit, Homo.

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 7:36pm:

Big Donger wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 7:31pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 7:23pm: Big Donger wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 7:19pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:59pm: Dnarever wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:57pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:44pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:42pm: What's happening to Trump ... ... is being done by Trump. He's his own worst enemy. Yes trump has been accused of believing that he can sexually assault women.. How do we know this ?  Because he told us ! You have to wonder if he can do that because he is famous - what does he think the President can get away with? So you've never said something naughty about women then? Not during a national TV interview, no. And if something like that's not bad enough for a US presidential candidate - admitting to groping and tongue-kissing strangers, married women and employees because he's a celebrity and he can - women have come out to back up his story. Alas, Homo, I'd say none of us think we're famous enough to go up to random strangers and do "anything". If you think this is the voice of the common man, you're delusional. It wasn't a national TV interview. Why would he do that? It was a private conversation that was  recorded. GEEZ KARNAL!!! He was talking to a TV presenter on camera, dear. He was in a big luxury bus, travelling around and waxing lyrical about life as a celebrity billionaire. Jockohomo would be ropeable. White enclave Eastern suburbs-type private school snobs crowing about their affluence. What would they know about us commoners? They don't have to live next to a darkie. Good to see you're okay with it. But can I ask? What is it that you see in Trump? You've never been this keen for a US presidential candidate. I'm curious. What is it about Trump? No dear, it's a private conversation on a bus recorded by a scumbag called Billy Bush. Unknown to Trump.

A scumbag TV presenter who was fired when the tape came out.

And all he did was laugh along with Trump.

Big Donger wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 7:31pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 7:23pm: Big Donger wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 7:19pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:59pm: Dnarever wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:57pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:44pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:42pm: What's happening to Trump ... ... is being done by Trump. He's his own worst enemy. Yes trump has been accused of believing that he can sexually assault women.. How do we know this ?  Because he told us ! You have to wonder if he can do that because he is famous - what does he think the President can get away with? So you've never said something naughty about women then? Not during a national TV interview, no. And if something like that's not bad enough for a US presidential candidate - admitting to groping and tongue-kissing strangers, married women and employees because he's a celebrity and he can - women have come out to back up his story. Alas, Homo, I'd say none of us think we're famous enough to go up to random strangers and do "anything". If you think this is the voice of the common man, you're delusional. It wasn't a national TV interview. Why would he do that? It was a private conversation that was  recorded. GEEZ KARNAL!!! He was talking to a TV presenter on camera, dear. He was in a big luxury bus, travelling around and waxing lyrical about life as a celebrity billionaire. Jockohomo would be ropeable. White enclave Eastern suburbs-type private school snobs crowing about their affluence. What would they know about real people like us? They don't have to live next to a darkies and tree-loppers. Good to see you're okay with it. But can I ask? What is it that you see in Trump? You've never been this keen for a US presidential candidate. I'm curious. What is it about Trump?

What do I like about Trump. Secure borders, stricter immigration processes, anti-globalisation, a good business person which would benefit the states, he's not a PC maggot.

Big Donger wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 7:40pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 7:36pm: Big Donger wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 7:31pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 7:23pm: Big Donger wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 7:19pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:59pm: Dnarever wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:57pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:44pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:42pm: What's happening to Trump ... ... is being done by Trump. He's his own worst enemy. Yes trump has been accused of believing that he can sexually assault women.. How do we know this ?  Because he told us ! You have to wonder if he can do that because he is famous - what does he think the President can get away with? So you've never said something naughty about women then? Not during a national TV interview, no. And if something like that's not bad enough for a US presidential candidate - admitting to groping and tongue-kissing strangers, married women and employees because he's a celebrity and he can - women have come out to back up his story. Alas, Homo, I'd say none of us think we're famous enough to go up to random strangers and do "anything". If you think this is the voice of the common man, you're delusional. It wasn't a national TV interview. Why would he do that? It was a private conversation that was  recorded. GEEZ KARNAL!!! He was talking to a TV presenter on camera, dear. He was in a big luxury bus, travelling around and waxing lyrical about life as a celebrity billionaire. Jockohomo would be ropeable. White enclave Eastern suburbs-type private school snobs crowing about their affluence. What would they know about us commoners? They don't have to live next to a darkie. Good to see you're okay with it. But can I ask? What is it that you see in Trump? You've never been this keen for a US presidential candidate. I'm curious. What is it about Trump? No dear, it's a private conversation on a bus recorded by a scumbag called Billy Bush. Unknown to Trump. A scumbag TV presenter who was fired when the tape came out. And all he did was laugh along with Trump.

Imagine if somebody recorded some of the stuff you say Karnal and played it to your mother?

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 7:42pm:

Big Donger wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 7:31pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 7:23pm: Big Donger wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 7:19pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:59pm: Dnarever wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:57pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:44pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:42pm: What's happening to Trump ... ... is being done by Trump. He's his own worst enemy. Yes trump has been accused of believing that he can sexually assault women.. How do we know this ?  Because he told us ! You have to wonder if he can do that because he is famous - what does he think the President can get away with? So you've never said something naughty about women then? Not during a national TV interview, no. And if something like that's not bad enough for a US presidential candidate - admitting to groping and tongue-kissing strangers, married women and employees because he's a celebrity and he can - women have come out to back up his story. Alas, Homo, I'd say none of us think we're famous enough to go up to random strangers and do "anything". If you think this is the voice of the common man, you're delusional. It wasn't a national TV interview. Why would he do that? It was a private conversation that was  recorded. GEEZ KARNAL!!! He was talking to a TV presenter on camera, dear. He was in a big luxury bus, travelling around and waxing lyrical about life as a celebrity billionaire. Jockohomo would be ropeable. White enclave Eastern suburbs-type private school snobs crowing about their affluence. What would they know about real people like us? They don't have to live next to a darkies and tree-loppers. Good to see you're okay with it. But can I ask? What is it that you see in Trump? You've never been this keen for a US presidential candidate. I'm curious. What is it about Trump? What do I like about Trump. Secure borders, stricter immigration processes, anti-globalisation, a good business person which would benefit the states, he's not a PC maggot.

I see. So this is just about immigration and "PC", is it?

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 7:43pm:

Big Donger wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 7:40pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 7:36pm: Big Donger wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 7:31pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 7:23pm: Big Donger wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 7:19pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:59pm: Dnarever wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:57pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:44pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:42pm: What's happening to Trump ... ... is being done by Trump. He's his own worst enemy. Yes trump has been accused of believing that he can sexually assault women.. How do we know this ?  Because he told us ! You have to wonder if he can do that because he is famous - what does he think the President can get away with? So you've never said something naughty about women then? Not during a national TV interview, no. And if something like that's not bad enough for a US presidential candidate - admitting to groping and tongue-kissing strangers, married women and employees because he's a celebrity and he can - women have come out to back up his story. Alas, Homo, I'd say none of us think we're famous enough to go up to random strangers and do "anything". If you think this is the voice of the common man, you're delusional. It wasn't a national TV interview. Why would he do that? It was a private conversation that was  recorded. GEEZ KARNAL!!! He was talking to a TV presenter on camera, dear. He was in a big luxury bus, travelling around and waxing lyrical about life as a celebrity billionaire. Jockohomo would be ropeable. White enclave Eastern suburbs-type private school snobs crowing about their affluence. What would they know about us commoners? They don't have to live next to a darkie. Good to see you're okay with it. But can I ask? What is it that you see in Trump? You've never been this keen for a US presidential candidate. I'm curious. What is it about Trump? No dear, it's a private conversation on a bus recorded by a scumbag called Billy Bush. Unknown to Trump. A scumbag TV presenter who was fired when the tape came out. And all he did was laugh along with Trump. Imagine if somebody recorded some of the stuff you say Karnal and played it to your mother?

Miam miam.

Big Donger wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 7:43pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 7:42pm: Big Donger wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 7:31pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 7:23pm: Big Donger wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 7:19pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:59pm: Dnarever wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:57pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:44pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:42pm: What's happening to Trump ... ... is being done by Trump. He's his own worst enemy. Yes trump has been accused of believing that he can sexually assault women.. How do we know this ?  Because he told us ! You have to wonder if he can do that because he is famous - what does he think the President can get away with? So you've never said something naughty about women then? Not during a national TV interview, no. And if something like that's not bad enough for a US presidential candidate - admitting to groping and tongue-kissing strangers, married women and employees because he's a celebrity and he can - women have come out to back up his story. Alas, Homo, I'd say none of us think we're famous enough to go up to random strangers and do "anything". If you think this is the voice of the common man, you're delusional. It wasn't a national TV interview. Why would he do that? It was a private conversation that was  recorded. GEEZ KARNAL!!! He was talking to a TV presenter on camera, dear. He was in a big luxury bus, travelling around and waxing lyrical about life as a celebrity billionaire. Jockohomo would be ropeable. White enclave Eastern suburbs-type private school snobs crowing about their affluence. What would they know about real people like us? They don't have to live next to a darkies and tree-loppers. Good to see you're okay with it. But can I ask? What is it that you see in Trump? You've never been this keen for a US presidential candidate. I'm curious. What is it about Trump? What do I like about Trump. Secure borders, stricter immigration processes, anti-globalisation, a good business person which would benefit the states, he's not a PC maggot. I see. So this is just about immigration and "PC", is it?

Not really. My beef with their current people is they are meddling in countries all around the world, throwing bucks here and there and their own people are suffering. I hate that. That's disgusting.

Big Donger wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 7:44pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 7:43pm: Big Donger wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 7:40pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 7:36pm: Big Donger wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 7:31pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 7:23pm: Big Donger wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 7:19pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:59pm: Dnarever wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:57pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:44pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:42pm: What's happening to Trump ... ... is being done by Trump. He's his own worst enemy. Yes trump has been accused of believing that he can sexually assault women.. How do we know this ?  Because he told us ! You have to wonder if he can do that because he is famous - what does he think the President can get away with? So you've never said something naughty about women then? Not during a national TV interview, no. And if something like that's not bad enough for a US presidential candidate - admitting to groping and tongue-kissing strangers, married women and employees because he's a celebrity and he can - women have come out to back up his story. Alas, Homo, I'd say none of us think we're famous enough to go up to random strangers and do "anything". If you think this is the voice of the common man, you're delusional. It wasn't a national TV interview. Why would he do that? It was a private conversation that was  recorded. GEEZ KARNAL!!! He was talking to a TV presenter on camera, dear. He was in a big luxury bus, travelling around and waxing lyrical about life as a celebrity billionaire. Jockohomo would be ropeable. White enclave Eastern suburbs-type private school snobs crowing about their affluence. What would they know about us commoners? They don't have to live next to a darkie. Good to see you're okay with it. But can I ask? What is it that you see in Trump? You've never been this keen for a US presidential candidate. I'm curious. What is it about Trump? No dear, it's a private conversation on a bus recorded by a scumbag called Billy Bush. Unknown to Trump. A scumbag TV presenter who was fired when the tape came out. And all he did was laugh along with Trump. Imagine if somebody recorded some of the stuff you say Karnal and played it to your mother? Miam miam.

It's a bit hypocritical taking that line of argument then. Isn't it?

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 7:42pm:

What do I like about Trump. ... a good business person ...

https://media.giphy.com/media/VrSZDlpRaHYje/giphy.gif

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 7:47pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 7:42pm: What do I like about Trump. ... a good business person ... https://media.giphy.com/media/VrSZDlpRaHYje/giphy.gif

he is a billionaire.

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 7:47pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 7:47pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 7:42pm: What do I like about Trump. ... a good business person ... https://media.giphy.com/media/VrSZDlpRaHYje/giphy.gif he is a billionaire.

;D

I'd love it if he won Pecca. Especially to see you hit the road. That would make my year. :)

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 7:49pm:

I'd love it if he won Pecca. Especially to see you hit the road. That would make my year. :)

Haemorrhoid's a lying piece of cr@p, he'll hang on like an anal blister whether Trump wins or loses. He's a gutless cretin.

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 7:49pm:

I'd love it if he won Pecca. Especially to see you hit the road. That would make my year. :)

Wow.

You don't have much of a life, do you?

Fuzzball wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 7:53pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 7:49pm: I'd love it if he won Pecca. Especially to see you hit the road. That would make my year. :) Haemorrhoid's a lying piece of cr@p, he'll hang on like an anal blister whether Trump wins or loses. He's a gutless cretin.

If Trump wins, I will leave this forum forever.

I guarantee it.

Will you do the same, if Hillary wins?

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 7:45pm:

My beef with their current people is they are meddling in countries all around the world, throwing bucks here and there and their own people are suffering. I hate that. That's disgusting.

You supported it in both Iraq and Afghanistan, Homo. You want the US in Syria. You begged them to go into Iran.

Trump plans to cut taxes for the rich in half. He plans to scrap universal health care. He has no plans for a federal minimum wage or tax redistribution or anything that will raise the standards of his own suffering people.

He merely wants to cut corporate tax and hope for the best.

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 6:59pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:57pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:44pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:42pm: What's happening to Trump ... ... is being done by Trump. He's his own worst enemy. Yes trump has been accused of believing that he can sexually assault women.. How do we know this ?  Because he told us ! You have to wonder if he can do that because he is famous - what does he think the President can get away with? So you've never said something naughty about women then?

I have never said that I routinely get away with sexually assaulting women and I have never heard any other male say they could either.

Dnarever wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 8:17pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:59pm: Dnarever wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:57pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:44pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:42pm: What's happening to Trump ... ... is being done by Trump. He's his own worst enemy. Yes trump has been accused of believing that he can sexually assault women.. How do we know this ?  Because he told us ! You have to wonder if he can do that because he is famous - what does he think the President can get away with? So you've never said something naughty about women then? I have never said that I routinely get away with sexually assaulting women and I have never heard any other male say they could either.

Apart from me, dear. I've been known to say miam miam.

After a tasty piece of old boy stool, of course.

To die for.

The Establishment are scared stiff of Donald Trump

Yes the orange man - who could blame them - truly frightening.

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2016-07-15-1468607338-43291-DonaldTrumpangry.jpg

Would he look better without the wig ?

Are his teeth bleached too white ?

Should he paint around his eyes orange too ?

Wonder what he looks like without the disguise ?

Is that a pearl in his ear ? looks the same as the Hilary picture where they said it was an ear bud ?

Is your mouth too big?

gobshite.

Orange is the new black.

Start getting used to it.

You just don't get t Karnal. What Trump will do will light up business in America. You don't make businesses flourish by punishing them. You make the playing field fair.

Trump will do this by lowering the business tax and then applying a tarriff for imported goods so that workers in China getting $2 an hour don't have the edge over Americans. In other words a level playing field.

Given the climate of fairness U.S. Business will make an almighty comeback and be able to compete with the monstrosity that is China. They are running roughshod  over everyone because their workers get paid sh.t

Frank wrote on Nov 6^th, 2016 at 12:18pm:

Orange is the new black.

That's actually very funny.

It would be even funnier if it were true.

So Gregg its funny is it...That's why the Chinese are taking this Country by storm. It's why property prices around the Country are off the charts they are even buying our Ports. We will be the cheap white shite of the South Pacific by the time China gets through with us..They are heavily in the process of owning our sorry arses.

They are doing similar things in America but Donald Trump will stop the Chinese straight in their tracks when he levels a 45% tarriff over their Chinese ears.

You see..Trump sees the long game unlike dickheads like Malcolm Turnbull and Mike Baird.


Let' see how China goes when they actually have to compete in a market.

red baron wrote on Nov 6^th, 2016 at 6:03pm:

So Gregg its funny is it...

Yes, it's quite witty.

You see, the current POTUS is black, and Frank believes that Trump (who is orange) will be the next POTUS (he's wrong, though).

Moreover, 'Orange is the new Black' is a very popular contemporary TV show.

So, he's made a witty political observation (involving skin colour), and has also managed to tie it in with popular culture.

I'm guessing he plagiarised it, though.

I thought it was guns in their pockets.

red baron wrote on Nov 6^th, 2016 at 4:34pm:

You just don't get t Karnal.

Actually, you don't get it, red.

Trump is never going to be POTUS.

Dnarever wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 8:17pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:59pm: Dnarever wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:57pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:44pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:42pm: What's happening to Trump ... ... is being done by Trump. He's his own worst enemy. Yes trump has been accused of believing that he can sexually assault women.. How do we know this ?  Because he told us ! You have to wonder if he can do that because he is famous - what does he think the President can get away with? So you've never said something naughty about women then? I have never said that I routinely get away with sexually assaulting women and I have never heard any other male say they could either.

Whoops sorry I thought of one from a long time ago but he spent over 30 years in prison.

red baron wrote on Nov 6^th, 2016 at 6:03pm:

So Gregg its funny is it...That's why the Chinese are taking this Country by storm. It's why property prices around the Country are off the charts they are even buying our Ports. We will be the cheap white shite of the South Pacific by the time China gets through with us..They are heavily in the process of owning our sorry arses. They are doing similar things in America but Donald Trump will stop the Chinese straight in their tracks when he levels a 45% tarriff over their Chinese ears. You see..Trump sees the long game unlike dickheads like Malcolm Turnbull and Mike Baird. Let' see how China goes when they actually have to compete in a market.

You only have to go on line to see how competitive the Chinese are. The goods on the internet are dominated by the Chinese.

The Chinese are moving ahead of Australians because the Chinese GDP growth rate is far higher than Australia's.

Australia is suffering because it perpetually runs an unbalanced economy with too much economic share dedicated to resource export industries. If we don't spend the money we earn from foreigners we are giving them the resources for free.

When we send a shipload of resources to China we have to buy a shipload of goods from the Chinese or someone else.

That's why manufacturing can never succeed in Australia.

red baron wrote on Nov 6^th, 2016 at 6:03pm:

So Gregg its funny is it...That's why the Chinese are taking this Country by storm. It's why property prices around the Country are off the charts they are even buying our Ports. We will be the cheap white shite of the South Pacific by the time China gets through with us..They are heavily in the process of owning our sorry arses. They are doing similar things in America but Donald Trump will stop the Chinese straight in their tracks when he levels a 45% tarriff over their Chinese ears. You see..Trump sees the long game unlike dickheads like Malcolm Turnbull and Mike Baird. Let' see how China goes when they actually have to compete in a market.

You only have to go on line to see how competitive the Chinese are. The goods on the internet are dominated by the Chinese.

The Chinese are moving ahead of Australians because the Chinese GDP growth rate is far higher than Australia's.

Australia is suffering because it perpetually runs an unbalanced economy with too much economic share dedicated to resource export industries. If we don't spend the money we earn from foreigners we are giving them the resources for free.

When we send a shipload of resources to China we have to buy a shipload of goods from the Chinese or someone else.

That's why manufacturing can never succeed in Australia.

red baron wrote on Nov 6^th, 2016 at 4:34pm:

You just don't get t Karnal. What Trump will do will light up business in America. You don't make businesses flourish by punishing them. You make the playing field fair. Trump will do this by lowering the business tax and then applying a tarriff for imported goods so that workers in China getting $2 an hour don't have the edge over Americans. In other words a level playing field. Given the climate of fairness U.S. Business will make an almighty comeback and be able to compete with the monstrosity that is China. They are running roughshod  over everyone because their workers get paid sh.t

Well said Red!
Although another way that would help is to adjust currency rates. At the moment the Yuan is way undervalued and the USD overvalued. Which means the US produces have no hope of competing with China. Dropping the value of the USD would increase US competitiveness.

Something that is not discussed but Trump has alluded to is debt. Americans are carrying this albatross around their necks. Almost a million dollars each. Federal, State, Local, College, credit cards, mortgage etc. Impossible to pay - can't pay a debt with a debt!  Some have talked about abolishing the Fed and discharging the debt would unshackle many Americans, give them hope and boost the economy. Best way to pay off the Fed would be to cast a large copper coin and print $20 trillion on it and give that to the Fed - debt paid!

Donald Trump's gambit in regard to the mammoth U.S. debt is to really get business and the economy going.

As I have said by lowering company tax by 30% and then laying on tariffs of 45% on imported good particularly Chinese he is rolling the dice on a huge resurgence of the U.S. economy.

If that occurs then the U.S. well go into profit..Jobs will be created, people will spend and the economy will have the power to begin paying down their debt.

Yes it's a big gamble but anyone particularly Gregg please tell me what Clinton's plan is.

Please don't insult my intelligence by saying that she is going to tax the rich to do it.

I'm not interested in fairy tales.

The rich own Hillary Clinton's fat arse.

This Election will go down as the one in which mainstream media and vested interests of the Establishment in America ganged up with a concerted campaign to destroy Donald Trump.

Donald Trump is no angel, there are many things I disagree with in regard to Donald Trump but tthere is one big difference between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton.

Donald Trump cares about the welfare of America and is driven to make it heal.

Hillary Clinton is driven by the genie...Power.

If she is successful like that famous Australian book's title...It will be Power without Glory

If the electorate had their say, he would win the Oval Office, but there are far too many vested interests in Washington who have too much to lose if he wins, not withstanding the corrupt practices of the Clinton mob, which the black guy in the WH is helping cover up.

If it were an honest election Trump would win.

red baron wrote on Nov 7^th, 2016 at 7:43am:

Donald Trump cares about the welfare of America and is driven to make it heal.

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If Hillary Clinton has the ability to make the grade ads President then how come?

With her as Secretary of State the U.S. has continued to be embroiled in conflicts in the Middle East without respite?

How come under her watch ISIS a established itself in the Middle East and was in fact assisted in its early stages by the U.S.?

How come under her watch Obama and HER Government managed to double the U.S. National debt by trillions?

How come U.S. business has been reeling like a punch drunk fighter?

How come the Unemployment rate is going through the roof?

How come lawlessness on American streets has reached frightening proportions and thousands of Americans have been gunned down?

How come she 'froze' when the Benghazi terrorist attack took place killing the U.S. Ambassador and Secretary OF State and DID NOT ACT  TO DEFEND THE U.S. CONSULATE resulting in the death of the U.S. Ambassador and many others when she had plenty of prior warning?????


How come Hillary? ::) ::) ::)

red baron wrote on Nov 7^th, 2016 at 8:36am:

If Hillary Clinton has the ability to make the grade ads President then how come? With her as Secretary of State the U.S. has continued to be embroiled in conflicts in the Middle East without respite? How come under her watch ISIS a established itself in the Middle East and was in fact assisted in its early stages by the U.S.? How come under her watch Obama and HER Government managed to double the U.S. National debt by trillions? How come U.S. business has been reeling like a punch drunk fighter? How come the Unemployment rate is going through the roof? How come lawlessness on American streets has reached frightening proportions and thousands of Americans have been gunned down? How come she 'froze' when the Benghazi terrorist attack took place killing the U.S. Ambassador and Secretary OF State and DID NOT ACT  TO DEFEND THE U.S. CONSULATE resulting in the death of the U.S. Ambassador and many others when she had plenty of prior warning????? How come Hillary? ::) ::) ::)

The Islamic state was created on a Democrat watch.

There was no Islamic state in Libya before the Arab spring, Libya abandoned their WMD program when they saw what Bush did to Iraq.

Fuzzball wrote on Nov 7^th, 2016 at 7:53am:

If it were an honest election Trump would win.

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Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 7^th, 2016 at 9:04am:

The Islamic state was created on a Democrat watch. There was no Islamic state in Libya before the Arab spring, Libya abandoned their WMD program when they saw what Bush did to Iraq.

Another perverted view from BaronVonRort.

George W Bush created ISIS when he excluded Sunnis from Iraqi society and fired the army and police. They had no jobs and no future but they had guns and grievances.

Gaddafi had ISIS under control until Obama attacked Libya destabilizing it forever.

George W Bush is the father of ISIS.

It is time.

America can have a dose of the same and continue down the road of financial disaster or they can hire someone who knows how to get them out of the mess.

Hillary Clinton's promise 'to tax the rich' to solve the problem is laughable. Her sponsors are the rich!

Trump has to know how and the gonads to turn America around let's see if the U.S. Public has the gonads to vote him President.