There's not much sadder than desperate townspeople looking for quick fixes to chronic problems.

And when the situation is grim (usually due to many disparate causes manifesting together) they are most likely to be exploited by the cynical, the conman, the pathological or the just plain evil.

And it sure is easy to 'bestow the purple' on the slick out-of-towner in an Armani suit dishing out his snake oil that he claims will cure what ails the town.

To the townsfolk of West Virginia, I'd say that you'll know you're being lied to when you're hearing glib and two-dimensional answers to your serious and multi-dimensional problems from a man who has never known poverty and despises those who are poor. This kind of man is not the 'working class hero' who will 'turn things around'... He is not genetically capable of empathising with those whom he would tag as 'Losers'... Because that is all the underprivileged are to him. He views your plight as synonymous with the worst aspects of Calvinistic drivel... That somehow it's all your fault anyway... Not because he's religious but because he's an overprivileged failure and a cynical conman who'd rather slit his wrists than identify with those truly in need.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-04/us-election-trump-working-mans-hero-in-logan-county-coal-country/7993230

[olist]"When you look at West Virginia and coal mining, it's a traditionally white community, it's a traditionally lesser educated state and Trump is promising to take things back to the good old days and I think that's what everyone wants here,"[/olist]

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4^th, 2016 at 7:43am:

There's not much sadder than desperate townspeople looking for quick fixes to chronic problems. And when the situation is grim (usually due to many disparate causes manifesting together) they are most likely to be exploited by the cynical, the conman, the pathological or the just plain evil. And it sure is easy to 'bestow the purple' on the slick out-of-towner in an Armani suit dishing out his snake oil that he claims will cure what ails the town. To the townsfolk of West Virginia, I'd say that you'll know you're being lied to when you're hearing glib and two-dimensional answers to your serious and multi-dimensional problems from a man who has never known poverty and despises those who are poor. This kind of man is not the 'working class hero' who will 'turn things around'... He is not genetically capable of empathising with those whom he would tag as 'Losers'... Because that is all the underprivileged are to him. He views your plight as synonymous with the worst aspects of Calvinistic drivel... That somehow it's all your fault anyway... Not because he's religious but because he's an overprivileged failure and a cynical conman who'd rather slit his wrists than identify with those truly in need. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-04/us-election-trump-working-mans-hero-in-logan-county-coal-country/7993230 [olist]"When you look at West Virginia and coal mining, it's a traditionally white community, it's a traditionally lesser educated state and Trump is promising to take things back to the good old days and I think that's what everyone wants here,"[/olist]

Oh, you mean kind of like Aquascoot.

issuevoter wrote on Nov 4^th, 2016 at 12:49pm:

Oh, you mean kind of like Aquascoot.

His philosophy has its roots and has since devolved from the 'Existentialism 4 Idiots' series.

Not that there's much difference to the Trump brand (even if its more like 'Calvinistic Existentialism 4 Idiots')

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4^th, 2016 at 7:43am:

There's not much sadder than desperate townspeople looking for quick fixes to chronic problems. And when the situation is grim (usually due to many disparate causes manifesting together) they are most likely to be exploited by the cynical, the conman, the pathological or the just plain evil. And it sure is easy to 'bestow the purple' on the slick out-of-towner in an Armani suit dishing out his snake oil that he claims will cure what ails the town. To the townsfolk of West Virginia, I'd say that you'll know you're being lied to when you're hearing glib and two-dimensional answers to your serious and multi-dimensional problems from a man who has never known poverty and despises those who are poor. This kind of man is not the 'working class hero' who will 'turn things around'... He is not genetically capable of empathising with those whom he would tag as 'Losers'... Because that is all the underprivileged are to him. He views your plight as synonymous with the worst aspects of Calvinistic drivel... That somehow it's all your fault anyway... Not because he's religious but because he's an overprivileged failure and a cynical conman who'd rather slit his wrists than identify with those truly in need. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-04/us-election-trump-working-mans-hero-in-logan-county-coal-country/7993230 [olist]"When you look at West Virginia and coal mining, it's a traditionally white community, it's a traditionally lesser educated state and Trump is promising to take things back to the good old days and I think that's what everyone wants here,"[/olist]

How do you know what he thinks? Ever been to West Virginia?
You have no idea - so cut the bs. Do some research on him.
MSM is in the pocket of the Clintons (fact) so do some independent work and think for yourself.

Richdude wrote on Nov 4^th, 2016 at 1:12pm:

How do you know what he thinks?

Don't even try to tell me you know him... Your own people tell us all what he's really like... And it ain't pretty for a reason...


Richdude wrote on Nov 4^th, 2016 at 1:12pm:

Ever been to West Virginia?

Mountain Mamma?

Do you really think it's not possible for an Australian to empathise with the down-on-their-luck of West Virginia from Australia?


Richdude wrote on Nov 4^th, 2016 at 1:12pm:

You have no idea - so cut the bs. Do some research on him. MSM is in the pocket of the Clintons (fact) so do some independent work and think for yourself.

Yeah, yeah... Of course...

Is the Republican Party 'in the pocket of the Clintons'?

"Independent work"... "Think for yourself"... These are the memes of the stupid...

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4^th, 2016 at 7:43am:

There's not much sadder than desperate townspeople looking for quick fixes to chronic problems. And when the situation is grim (usually due to many disparate causes manifesting together) they are most likely to be exploited by the cynical, the conman, the pathological or the just plain evil. And it sure is easy to 'bestow the purple' on the slick out-of-towner in an Armani suit dishing out his snake oil that he claims will cure what ails the town. To the townsfolk of West Virginia, I'd say that you'll know you're being lied to when you're hearing glib and two-dimensional answers to your serious and multi-dimensional problems from a man who has never known poverty and despises those who are poor. This kind of man is not the 'working class hero' who will 'turn things around'... He is not genetically capable of empathising with those whom he would tag as 'Losers'... Because that is all the underprivileged are to him. He views your plight as synonymous with the worst aspects of Calvinistic drivel... That somehow it's all your fault anyway... Not because he's religious but because he's an overprivileged failure and a cynical conman who'd rather slit his wrists than identify with those truly in need.

It's worth giving Trump a chance and see whether he means what he says- rather than give Hillarty a go when you know she doesn't mean what she says.

She has been in politics for 30 years an hasn't done any of the things she is now promising.

he at least hasn't been in politics and just might do what he says- after all he i not owned by the party machine, the donors, the political class, the mainstream media - all the people who are desperate to maintain their own status an so are moving heaven and earth to deny Americans a say in their own lives.

This election is a choice between more of the political insiders and their rent-seekers or a go for the outsiders, no matter how gauche an unpolished they may be. The slick, polished, impeccably PC insider experts have screwed up the Western working class and middle class so now they want anyone but another goddam 'experienced insider'.


That's Trump, Sanders, Hanson, Farage, Wilders, etc, etc.

Frank wrote on Nov 4^th, 2016 at 6:33pm:

It's worth giving Trump a chance

that's what you mo rons said about Abbott, countless times ... what a clusterfruk of a decision that turned out to be :D :D

Frank wrote on Nov 4^th, 2016 at 6:33pm:

he at least hasn't been in politics and just might do what he says- after all he i not owned by the party machine, the donors, the political class, the mainstream media

You say that like its a good thing - Not to be shackled to those who would moderate your id compulsions...


Frank wrote on Nov 4^th, 2016 at 6:33pm:

This election is a choice between more of the political insiders and their rent-seekers or a go for the outsiders, no matter how gauche an unpolished they may be.

If he was running for,say, President of Fiji, I'd have no worries about him... But can you imagine someone as damaged as Trump as a US President left to his own devices?

issuevoter wrote on Nov 4^th, 2016 at 12:49pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4th, 2016 at 7:43am: There's not much sadder than desperate townspeople looking for quick fixes to chronic problems. And when the situation is grim (usually due to many disparate causes manifesting together) they are most likely to be exploited by the cynical, the conman, the pathological or the just plain evil. And it sure is easy to 'bestow the purple' on the slick out-of-towner in an Armani suit dishing out his snake oil that he claims will cure what ails the town. To the townsfolk of West Virginia, I'd say that you'll know you're being lied to when you're hearing glib and two-dimensional answers to your serious and multi-dimensional problems from a man who has never known poverty and despises those who are poor. This kind of man is not the 'working class hero' who will 'turn things around'... He is not genetically capable of empathising with those whom he would tag as 'Losers'... Because that is all the underprivileged are to him. He views your plight as synonymous with the worst aspects of Calvinistic drivel... That somehow it's all your fault anyway... Not because he's religious but because he's an overprivileged failure and a cynical conman who'd rather slit his wrists than identify with those truly in need. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-04/us-election-trump-working-mans-hero-in-logan-county-coal-country/7993230 [olist]"When you look at West Virginia and coal mining, it's a traditionally white community, it's a traditionally lesser educated state and Trump is promising to take things back to the good old days and I think that's what everyone wants here,"[/olist] Oh, you mean kind of like Aquascoot.

Yes back when a horse was a horse of course of course and a silly old goat was a silly old goat.

John Smith wrote on Nov 4^th, 2016 at 6:35pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 4th, 2016 at 6:33pm: It's worth giving Trump a chance that's what you mo rons said about Abbott, countless times ... what a clusterfruk of a decision that turned out to be :D :D

Yes, he said it about Bush too. I remember when we were going to bring freedom and democracy to the Middle East. The old boy loved it. We were fools for merely questioning it.

The poor old boy hasn't got much left. Still, we can't say he didn't try. He gave it a go.

Thank God everyone's stopped listening. Intelligence and integrity, innnit.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4^th, 2016 at 6:46pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 4th, 2016 at 6:33pm: he at least hasn't been in politics and just might do what he says- after all he i not owned by the party machine, the donors, the political class, the mainstream media You say that like its a good thing - Not to be shackled to those who would moderate your id compulsions... Frank wrote on Nov 4th, 2016 at 6:33pm: This election is a choice between more of the political insiders and their rent-seekers or a go for the outsiders, no matter how gauche an unpolished they may be. If he was running for,say, President of Fiji, I'd have no worries about him... But can you imagine someone as damaged as Trump as a US President left to his own devices?

You are all being ridiculous.  The American Constitution is not something anyone can change 'left to his own devices".

You are all deluded, you are all suffering from the usual derangement syndrome.

Too much Granuiad reading, I suspect.

John Smith wrote on Nov 4^th, 2016 at 6:35pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 4th, 2016 at 6:33pm: It's worth giving Trump a chance that's what you mo rons said about Abbott, countless times ... what a clusterfruk of a decision that turned out to be :D :D

Well, he would have been re-elected with a greater majority than Turnbull was, that's for sure.

Melanias purse wrote on Nov 4^th, 2016 at 9:42pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 4th, 2016 at 6:33pm: It's worth giving Trump a chance ..... Yes, he said it about Bush too. I remember when we were going to bring freedom and democracy to the Middle East. The old boy loved it. We were fools for merely questioning it. The poor old boy hasn't got much left. Still, we can't say he didn't try. He gave it a go. Thank God everyone's stopped listening. Intelligence and integrity, innnit.

.....and see whether he means what he says- rather than give Hillarty a go when you know she doesn't mean what she says.

She has been in politics for 30 years an hasn't done any of the things she is now promising.

he at least hasn't been in politics and just might do what he says- after all he i not owned by the party machine, the donors, the political class, the mainstream media - all the people who are desperate to maintain their own status an so are moving heaven and earth to deny Americans a say in their own lives.

This election is a choice between more of the political insiders and their rent-seekers or a go for the outsiders, no matter how gauche an unpolished they may be. The slick, polished, impeccably PC insider experts have screwed up the Western working class and middle class so now they want anyone but another goddam 'experienced insider'.


That's Trump, Sanders, Hanson, Farage, Wilders, etc, etc.

Frank wrote on Nov 4^th, 2016 at 10:00pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Nov 4th, 2016 at 9:42pm: Frank wrote on Nov 4th, 2016 at 6:33pm: It's worth giving Trump a chance ..... Yes, he said it about Bush too. I remember when we were going to bring freedom and democracy to the Middle East. The old boy loved it. We were fools for merely questioning it. The poor old boy hasn't got much left. Still, we can't say he didn't try. He gave it a go. Thank God everyone's stopped listening. Intelligence and integrity, innnit. .....and see whether he means what he says- rather than give Hillarty a go when you know she doesn't mean what she says. She has been in politics for 30 years an hasn't done any of the things she is now promising. he at least hasn't been in politics and just might do what he says- after all he is not owned by the party machine, the donors, the political class, the mainstream media - all the people who are desperate to maintain their own status an so are moving heaven and earth to deny Americans a say in their own lives. This election is a choice between more of the political insiders and their rent-seekers or a go for the outsiders, no matter how gauche an unpolished they may be. The slick, polished, impeccably PC insider experts have screwed up the Western working class and middle class so now they want anyone but another goddam 'experienced insider'. That's Trump, Sanders, Hanson, Farage, Wilders, etc, etc.

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............he at least hasn't been in politics and just might do what he says- after all he is not owned by the party machine, the donors, the political class, the mainstream media - all the people who are desperate to maintain their own status an so are moving heaven and earth to deny Americans a say in their own lives. ........

X 2

And he says nice things about Putin.
Which is 100% better than hillary says.

Frank wrote on Nov 4^th, 2016 at 9:52pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4th, 2016 at 6:46pm: Frank wrote on Nov 4th, 2016 at 6:33pm: he at least hasn't been in politics and just might do what he says- after all he i not owned by the party machine, the donors, the political class, the mainstream media You say that like its a good thing - Not to be shackled to those who would moderate your id compulsions... Frank wrote on Nov 4th, 2016 at 6:33pm: This election is a choice between more of the political insiders and their rent-seekers or a go for the outsiders, no matter how gauche an unpolished they may be. If he was running for,say, President of Fiji, I'd have no worries about him... But can you imagine someone as damaged as Trump as a US President left to his own devices? You are all being ridiculous.  The American Constitution is not something anyone can change 'left to his own devices". You are all deluded, you are all suffering from the usual derangement syndrome. Too much Granuiad reading, I suspect.

Who said anything about 'changing the constitution'?

Johnson escalated a minor conflict in southeast Asia without 'changing the constitution'... Nixon (with the collusion of his effective 'co-President') had Cambodia bombed without 'changing the constitution'... Bush II initiated wars in Iraq and Afghanistan without 'changing the constitution'...

Americans love war... They prove it with their enduring contempt for Carter - one of the very few US Presidents who went out of his way to not provoke a war or embroil the US in one.

Trump suffers from narcissistic delusions... And he has indicated he'd get tough and go to war (albeit expressing it in the way a 15-year-old fantasises about getting even with the local 'badass')... Only this is a man with only his infantile fantasies to inform him... No experience... No pragmatism to restrain his damaged personality...

Just a dangerous, narcissistic man-child given the power to cause maximum damage to anyone who assaults his ego... And... Well we all know what American males with severe personality disorders can do with firepower when they feel like they're 'Falling Down'.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 3:58pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 4th, 2016 at 9:52pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4th, 2016 at 6:46pm: Frank wrote on Nov 4th, 2016 at 6:33pm: he at least hasn't been in politics and just might do what he says- after all he i not owned by the party machine, the donors, the political class, the mainstream media You say that like its a good thing - Not to be shackled to those who would moderate your id compulsions... Frank wrote on Nov 4th, 2016 at 6:33pm: This election is a choice between more of the political insiders and their rent-seekers or a go for the outsiders, no matter how gauche an unpolished they may be. If he was running for,say, President of Fiji, I'd have no worries about him... But can you imagine someone as damaged as Trump as a US President left to his own devices? You are all being ridiculous.  The American Constitution is not something anyone can change 'left to his own devices". You are all deluded, you are all suffering from the usual derangement syndrome. Too much Granuiad reading, I suspect. Who said anything about 'changing the constitution'? Johnson escalated a minor conflict in southeast Asia without 'changing the constitution'... Nixon (with the collusion of his effective 'co-President') had Cambodia bombed without 'changing the constitution'... Bush II initiated wars in Iraq and Afghanistan without 'changing the constitution'... Americans love war... They prove it with their enduring contempt for Carter - one of the very few US Presidents who went out of his way to not provoke a war or embroil the US in one. Trump suffers from narcissistic delusions... And he has indicated he'd get tough and go to war (albeit expressing it in the way a 15-year-old fantasises about getting even with the local 'badass')... Only this is a man with only his infantile fantasies to inform him... No experience... No pragmatism to restrain his damaged personality... Just a dangerous, narcissistic man-child given the power to cause maximum damage to anyone who assaults his ego... And... Well we all know what American males with severe personality disorders can do with firepower when they feel like they're 'Falling Down'.

OK - so what war is he going to start?

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 3:58pm:

Americans love war...

Not as much as Muslims.

Look at the map.

Frank wrote on Nov 4^th, 2016 at 10:00pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Nov 4th, 2016 at 9:42pm: Frank wrote on Nov 4th, 2016 at 6:33pm: It's worth giving Trump a chance ..... Yes, he said it about Bush too. I remember when we were going to bring freedom and democracy to the Middle East. The old boy loved it. We were fools for merely questioning it. The poor old boy hasn't got much left. Still, we can't say he didn't try. He gave it a go. Thank God everyone's stopped listening. Intelligence and integrity, innnit. .....and see whether he means what he says- rather than give Hillarty a go when you know she doesn't mean what she says. She has been in politics for 30 years an hasn't done any of the things she is now promising. he at least hasn't been in politics and just might do what he says-

I say, that's a relief.

But I'm curious. You seem convinced Trump will do exactly what he says, dear boy. Build thousand km-long walls, abandon every treaty and trade agreement, prevent all Muslims from entering America, make every Muslim US citizen cary around a Muslim ID card, change the US constitution, make Amerika great again, etc, etc, etc.

He might just do what he says, no?

Melanias purse wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 7:54pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 4th, 2016 at 10:00pm: Melanias purse wrote on Nov 4th, 2016 at 9:42pm: Frank wrote on Nov 4th, 2016 at 6:33pm: It's worth giving Trump a chance ..... Yes, he said it about Bush too. I remember when we were going to bring freedom and democracy to the Middle East. The old boy loved it. We were fools for merely questioning it. The poor old boy hasn't got much left. Still, we can't say he didn't try. He gave it a go. Thank God everyone's stopped listening. Intelligence and integrity, innnit. .....and see whether he means what he says- rather than give Hillarty a go when you know she doesn't mean what she says. She has been in politics for 30 years an hasn't done any of the things she is now promising. he at least hasn't been in politics and just might do what he says- I say, that's a relief. But I'm curious. You seem convinced Trump will do exactly what he says.

You always make up stupid stuff, down to the italics and think nobody notices your relentless distortions. And you think you are clever.

Frank wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 6:33pm:

OK - so what war is he going to start?

See that's the thing about wars... They're only obvious after they've been started...

If you ask what's a possible scenario for war, the most obvious in our region is the current Chinese military expansion into the Sout China Sea.

Trump is easily the least likely candidate, given the nature of his damaged personality, to navigate the minefield of diplomacy required to manage an issue like that with China...

Then there's Russia...

Yes, I know... Trump seems to entertain some notion that Putin is like an old school mate who just needs to be understood and shown some appreciation... Like that stupid bastard who decided he could live with bears... That bears were his buddies... Until he was eaten by one... Putin is an ex-Soviet KGB agent and a Russian uber-nationalist whose loyalty is completely with Russia (as you'd expect given he's the Russian President)... He also wants a showdown with NATO...

This kind of world is no place for a narcissist nutjob conman who has failed at everything except blowing other people's money.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 9:15pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 6:33pm: OK - so what war is he going to start? See that's the thing about wars... They're only obvious after they've been started... If you ask what's a possible scenario for war, the most obvious in our region is the current Chinese military expansion into the Sout China Sea. Trump is easily the least likely candidate, given the nature of his damaged personality, to navigate the minefield of diplomacy required to manage an issue like that with China... Then there's Russia... Yes, I know... Trump seems to entertain some notion that Putin is like an old school mate who just needs to be understood and shown some appreciation... Like that stupid bastard who decided he could live with bears... That bears were his buddies... Until he was eaten by one... Putin is an ex-Soviet KGB agent and a Russian uber-nationalist whose loyalty is completely with Russia (as you'd expect given he's the Russian President)... He also wants a showdown with NATO... This kind of world is no place for a narcissist nutjob conman who has failed at everything except blowing other people's money.

"See that's the thing about wars... They're only obvious after they've been started..."
What a climb down from "Americans love war."

You are suffering from Trump derangement syndrome.



Did you, Karnal and gweggowy do this: http://media.breitbart.com/media/2016/11/Vandals-Denver-Trump-Office-Denver-Post-420x315.jpg

The difference is between how people intend to vote and who they think will win.

More people intend to vote for Trump and more think Hillary will win.

Call that the 'media effect'.


Check it out :
http://graphics.latimes.com/usc-presidential-poll-dashboard/



This will be the biggest **CK You in history, as Michael Moore says.

Frank wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 9:23pm:

"See that's the thing about wars... They're only obvious after they've been started..." What a climb down from "Americans love war."

A climb down? Not at all!

The US has almost continually been at war since 1941...

Their economy is chained to it... Hence Eisenhower's "Military-Industrial complex"... And what he really wanted to say was "Military-Industrial-Congressional complex" but was warned that that was a step too far.

The American psyche is founded on war (always a risk if a country founds itself of violent revolution)... And glorious victory... which is why that  nation does not learn what it needs to when suffering defeat...

The American family psyche is infected with interminable memories of ancestors that have been deified by war... It stands to reason and not much of a surprise that such a people in such a nation has a hunger for war that rivals even the Romans.

Frank wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 9:41pm:

This will be the biggest **CK You in history, as Michael Moore says.

You know he does say that sarcastically and with trepidation.

Frank wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 9:14pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 7:54pm: Frank wrote on Nov 4th, 2016 at 10:00pm: Melanias purse wrote on Nov 4th, 2016 at 9:42pm: Frank wrote on Nov 4th, 2016 at 6:33pm: It's worth giving Trump a chance ..... Yes, he said it about Bush too. I remember when we were going to bring freedom and democracy to the Middle East. The old boy loved it. We were fools for merely questioning it. The poor old boy hasn't got much left. Still, we can't say he didn't try. He gave it a go. Thank God everyone's stopped listening. Intelligence and integrity, innnit. .....and see whether he means what he says- rather than give Hillarty a go when you know she doesn't mean what she says. She has been in politics for 30 years an hasn't done any of the things she is now promising. he at least hasn't been in politics and just might do what he says- I say, that's a relief. But I'm curious. You seem convinced Trump will do exactly what he says. You always make up stupid stuff, down to the italics and think nobody notices your relentless distortions. And you think you are clever.

Yes its all about those tricky italics. Never trust them.

Frank wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 9:14pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 7:54pm: Frank wrote on Nov 4th, 2016 at 10:00pm: Melanias purse wrote on Nov 4th, 2016 at 9:42pm: Frank wrote on Nov 4th, 2016 at 6:33pm: It's worth giving Trump a chance ..... Yes, he said it about Bush too. I remember when we were going to bring freedom and democracy to the Middle East. The old boy loved it. We were fools for merely questioning it. The poor old boy hasn't got much left. Still, we can't say he didn't try. He gave it a go. Thank God everyone's stopped listening. Intelligence and integrity, innnit. .....and see whether he means what he says- rather than give Hillarty a go when you know she doesn't mean what she says. She has been in politics for 30 years an hasn't done any of the things she is now promising. he at least hasn't been in politics and just might do what he says- I say, that's a relief. But I'm curious. You seem convinced Trump will do exactly what he says. You always make up stupid stuff, down to the italics and think nobody notices your relentless distortions. And you think you are clever.

I thought she hit the nail on the head ?

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 9:42pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 9:23pm: "See that's the thing about wars... They're only obvious after they've been started..." What a climb down from "Americans love war." A climb down? Not at all! The US has almost continually been at war since 1941... Their economy is chained to it... Hence Eisenhower's "Military-Industrial complex"... And what he really wanted to say was "Military-Industrial-Congressional complex" but was warned that that was a step too far. The American psyche is founded on war (always a risk if a country founds itself of violent revolution)... And glorious victory... which is why that  nation does not learn what it needs to when suffering defeat... The American family psyche is infected with interminable memories of ancestors that have been deified by war... It stands to reason and not much of a surprise that such a people in such a nation has a hunger for war that rivals even the Romans.

Americans hunger for war?? You are deranged.



Or else France must also love and hunger for war, like China, Russia, Spain, England, Scotland, Poland, Israel, etc, etc.

Frank wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 9:14pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 7:54pm: Frank wrote on Nov 4th, 2016 at 10:00pm: Melanias purse wrote on Nov 4th, 2016 at 9:42pm: Frank wrote on Nov 4th, 2016 at 6:33pm: It's worth giving Trump a chance ..... Yes, he said it about Bush too. I remember when we were going to bring freedom and democracy to the Middle East. The old boy loved it. We were fools for merely questioning it. The poor old boy hasn't got much left. Still, we can't say he didn't try. He gave it a go. Thank God everyone's stopped listening. Intelligence and integrity, innnit. .....and see whether he means what he says- rather than give Hillarty a go when you know she doesn't mean what she says. She has been in politics for 30 years an hasn't done any of the things she is now promising. he at least hasn't been in politics and just might do what he says- I say, that's a relief. But I'm curious. You seem convinced Trump will do exactly what he says. You always make up stupid stuff, down to the italics and think nobody notices your relentless distortions. And you think you are clever.

You didn't answer the question, dear.

How do you know Trump will do everything he says when he's got no record in government? You seem to think this is some kind of qualification.

You know, like a Graduate Diploma of Stool Studies from the prestigious University of Balogney.

Frank wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 9:51pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 9:42pm: Frank wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 9:23pm: "See that's the thing about wars... They're only obvious after they've been started..." What a climb down from "Americans love war." A climb down? Not at all! The US has almost continually been at war since 1941... Their economy is chained to it... Hence Eisenhower's "Military-Industrial complex"... And what he really wanted to say was "Military-Industrial-Congressional complex" but was warned that that was a step too far. The American psyche is founded on war (always a risk if a country founds itself of violent revolution)... And glorious victory... which is why that  nation does not learn what it needs to when suffering defeat... The American family psyche is infected with interminable memories of ancestors that have been deified by war... It stands to reason and not much of a surprise that such a people in such a nation has a hunger for war that rivals even the Romans. Americans hunger for war?? You are deranged.

No no, old boy, YOU hunger for war. You've been perstering Uncle to go to war since the last one, and the one before that. Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Palestine, Labia.

Lose weight now - ask me how, no?

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 3:58pm:

Americans love war...

At vcarious points in its history, the US economy gears around war. War is the economic pump primer of the US economy. Great Depression - WWII. The early 80s recession - Star Wars. 1987 stockmarket crash - invasion of Panama, the Gulf War. 2000 recession - invasion of Afghanistan & Iraq. 2007 financial crisis -

The rise of Trump.

Trump is a protectionist. US manufacturing is on the wane. Trump hardly plans to nationalize industry. The one stimulus available to Trump is the Military Industrial Complex.

Trump won't win the erection, but as the old boy points out, Trump's not going anywhere.

Frank wrote on Nov 5^th, 2016 at 9:51pm:

Americans hunger for war?? You are deranged.

War is almost the sole source of energy of the American psyche...

Any President who can define himself as a 'wartime President' has done so... For the primary reason that the American people approve of and highly rate wartime Presidents (its what ultimately got Johnson into so much trouble and drove him from the White House).

Its when a wartime President does not deliver victory, is when we see the degree to which Americans perceive their cultural paradox... Its then that the people's mood swings towards peace... So long as no President actually delivers it (note Carter and, to a lesser extent, Obama)... What the people really want is victory... Even if it needs to be in another war.

Obama is one president who has attempted to deliver peace by extricating the US from war - by stealth... On the one hand, he's the 'drone bomb' president yet at the same time he has reduced US participation in Middle eastern and Afghanistan wars, has initiated the beginning of the end of Cuba's ostracism and has (honestly) argued for less US participation in wars... For his peace efforts he has largely endured contempt, though not as much as Carter did (who trumpeted his peace-making efforts from rooftops - naively thinking that's what the people wanted and that he'd be thanked for it)...

To be fair to Obama, I think he was genuinely perplexed at his Nobel Prize for Peace (although not as much as Kissinger should have been).

A martial people like Americans have need of highly experienced governors who have the wisdom to navigate away from war while not appearing to be weak (or crazed)...

Despite his gross inexperience, Trump's personality is too damaged to offer the US anything but destruction.

He is a man who cannot help but let his fragile ego and personal mental disorders to guide and inform his actions.

War for Trump would more likely start because his ego was bruised by a world leader than by a reasoned weighing of the alternatives.

North you really have no idea what you are talking about.

Americans are no more militaristic than any other country I have lived in. America is generally a pleasant and peaceful country. The difference here is that the media is always dreaming up new threats. Communism, terrorism, China, North Korea and now Russian aggression. The American people are constantly brainwashed that they are under threat. The media is just a propaganda tool of corporate interests and those wishing to further consolidate and centralize World control.

Trump is refreshingly honest and straightforward - not PC. Perhaps its you that has the problem?

Richdude wrote on Nov 6^th, 2016 at 1:30am:

Americans are no more militaristic than any other country I have lived in. America is generally a pleasant and peaceful country. The difference here is that the media is always dreaming up new threats. Communism, terrorism, China, North Korea and now Russian aggression. The American people are constantly brainwashed that they are under threat. The media is just a propaganda tool of corporate interests and those wishing to further consolidate and centralize World control.

Bingo. The biggest drum-beater in the last war was Fox News and News Ltd.

Murdoch might have a US passport, but he still talks like an Australian.

The media is a propaganda tool of corporate interests who happen to be based in Amerika. World control is based in the US, as every schoolboy knows.

Richdude wrote on Nov 6^th, 2016 at 1:30am:

North you really have no idea what you are talking about. Americans are no more militaristic than any other country I have lived in. America is generally a pleasant and peaceful country. The difference here is that the media is always dreaming up new threats. Communism, terrorism, China, North Korea and now Russian aggression. The American people are constantly brainwashed that they are under threat. The media is just a propaganda tool of corporate interests and those wishing to further consolidate and centralize World control. Trump is refreshingly honest and straightforward - not PC. Perhaps its you that has the problem?

Ah the media... Once the great protector of the people from government excess and arrogance, now the  'great satan'.

From first amendment to fifth column! Quite a fall!

Doesn't explain the blind stupid love affair with the second amendment  and its literal murderously psychopathic interpretation... But then again I guess it's not the people here either... Just the evil NRA...

And then there's the American perversion of Christianity into militant uber-religiosity... Media again?

And never mind the theme of violent racism that has dogged American history for so long... Or is that another media beat up?

What does it say of a great people and a great society that they can be so easily terrified of almost anything that goes bump in the night?

Trump? Refreshingly honest? You mean he really is going to build a wall to keep out Mexicans cos y'know... They really are all rapists...

Maybe it's you who have been brainwashed by a famous American archetype... The travelling snake oil salesman... Cos, according to one of them, in America there's a sucker born every minute...

Are you a sucker for a gross bullshit artist? And before you answer no, ask yourself, in the context of being American, how you would know that you're not.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4^th, 2016 at 7:43am:

"When you look at West Virginia and coal mining, it's a traditionally white community, it's a traditionally lesser educated state and Trump is promising to take things back to the good old days and I think that's what everyone wants here."

There was an article in the limey Guardian that noted that life expectancy in McDowell County, West Virginia, once the heart of US coal mining, has declined to that of Ethiopia.

https://youtu.be/eqceHviNBC4


As for the candidates, Hillary represent nothing more than Wall Street as well as the military-intelligence and they are both supported by the complacent and self-satisfied upper, upper middle class in this country which such social bullshit where identity politics holds sway. Her whole smacking program is to outwardly direct the social crisis in the form of intensified US military violence starting with the Middle East then Russia and and eventually China, both of which possess nuclear arsenals.

The dayglo orange fat boy represents an attempt to direct social tensions along extreme nationalist lines, appealing to largely uneducated white trash, racist and fascistic forces all under false pretense to have opposed US military interventions in the Middle East while at the same time kissing ass to the US military and promises to unleash unlimited violence on any country that resists growing US imperialism. His insane pledge to “Make America Great Again” is little more than the English translation of Hitler’s slogan, Deutschland Über Alles.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/02/63/7c/02637c3b6e3643cdd195f9edde1051c7.jpg

Marla wrote on Nov 6^th, 2016 at 5:01am:

As for the candidates, Hillary represent nothing more than Wall Street as well as the military-intelligence and they are both supported by the complacent and self-satisfied upper, upper middle class in this country which such social bullshit where identity politics holds sway. Her whole smacking program is to outwardly direct the social crisis in the form of intensified US military violence starting with the Middle East then Russia and and eventually China, both of which possess nuclear arsenals. The dayglo orange fat boy represents an attempt to direct social tensions along extreme nationalist lines, appealing to largely uneducated white trash, racist and fascistic forces all under false pretense to have opposed US military interventions in the Middle East while at the same time kissing ass to the US military and promises to unleash unlimited violence on any country that resists growing US imperialism. His insane pledge to “Make America Great Again” is little more than the English translation of Hitler’s slogan, Deutschland Über Alles.

Yes... A grim outlook...

Although the US will very soon no longer be the lone player at the superpowers' table... If not managed by someone with experience, the next 10 years could be hell for western democracy.

Russia is determined to roll back NATO dominance so close to its borders and Putin sees it virtually as an act of war that NATO's and Western Europe's influence is already at Russia's doorstep.

China is determined to 'take possession' of the western Pacific which means for them, without reservation, that the US must leave.

Russia and China are the new (re) contenders for world supremacy (with India currently a distant fourth) and conflict (either by the pen or the sword) is inevitable.

It will likely not be the US that throws down the gauntlet (or even fires the first shot)... But, however it begins, the US will be called to arms or diplomacy...

Arms or diplomacy against Russian or Chinese expansionism...

Who would you want to lead the western (arguably the free) world?

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 6^th, 2016 at 8:03am:

Marla wrote on Nov 6th, 2016 at 5:01am: As for the candidates, Hillary represent nothing more than Wall Street as well as the military-intelligence and they are both supported by the complacent and self-satisfied upper, upper middle class in this country which such social bullshit where identity politics holds sway. Her whole smacking program is to outwardly direct the social crisis in the form of intensified US military violence starting with the Middle East then Russia and and eventually China, both of which possess nuclear arsenals. The dayglo orange fat boy represents an attempt to direct social tensions along extreme nationalist lines, appealing to largely uneducated white trash, racist and fascistic forces all under false pretense to have opposed US military interventions in the Middle East while at the same time kissing ass to the US military and promises to unleash unlimited violence on any country that resists growing US imperialism. His insane pledge to “Make America Great Again” is little more than the English translation of Hitler’s slogan, Deutschland Über Alles. Yes... A grim outlook... Although the US will very soon no longer be the lone player at the superpowers' table... If not managed by someone with experience, the next 10 years could be hell for western democracy. Russia is determined to roll back NATO dominance so close to its borders and Putin sees it virtually as an act of war that NATO's and Western Europe's influence is already at Russia's doorstep. China is determined to 'take possession' of the western Pacific which means for them, without reservation, that the US must leave. Russia and China are the new (re) contenders for world supremacy (with India currently a distant fourth) and conflict (either by the pen or the sword) is inevitable. It will likely not be the US that throws down the gauntlet (or even fires the first shot)... But, however it begins, the US will be called to arms or diplomacy... Arms or diplomacy against Russian or Chinese expansionism... Who would you want to lead the western (arguably the free) world?

Well, NOT a corrupt, unprincipled, two-faced, grasping, cynical sick old woman who projects surrender, sells out American diplomatic staff, peddles influence for mere cash.

So NOT Hilary, then.

Frank wrote on Nov 6^th, 2016 at 12:15pm:

Well, NOT a corrupt, unprincipled, two-faced, grasping, cynical sick old woman who projects surrender, sells out American diplomatic staff, peddles influence for mere cash. So NOT Hilary, then.

Hmmm... Methinks the superannuated doth misogynate too much...

Trump lies over 70% of the time... Doesn't that qualify more unprincipled, two-faced, grasping and cynical?

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 6^th, 2016 at 2:57pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 6th, 2016 at 12:15pm: Well, NOT a corrupt, unprincipled, two-faced, grasping, cynical sick old woman who projects surrender, sells out American diplomatic staff, peddles influence for mere cash. So NOT Hilary, then. Hmmm... Methinks the superannuated doth misogynate too much... Trump lies over 70% of the time... Doesn't that qualify more unprincipled, two-faced, grasping and cynical?

Over 70%, eh??

You are completely discombobulated.

In this election campaign Trump has not been cynical or grasping or even unprincipled or two-faced. He has not said that he would build a wall and then behind closed door say to his donors that he wanted an open borders world.

The thing about Trump is that he is going to do what he is saying - because he has absolutely zero interest in not keeping his word. There is no 30 years' worth of political favours and donations to protect and nurture.

In April 2000 Bill's Arkansas law licence was suspended for five years and he was given a $25,000 fine. He had agreed to that disbarment as a form of plea bargain on the day before he left office in January 2000, after reaching a deal to bring an end to the Lewinsky investigation, in which he could have faced charges for contempt. In October 2001 the US supreme court disbarred him practicing law before the high court. Hill became a NY Senator, then Secretary of State. Salary for both? About $200K p.s.

Today they are worth over $100 million. By comparison, George Dubya is worth $20 million (which he has before he became president).

How did they do it?

Frank wrote on Nov 6^th, 2016 at 3:53pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 6th, 2016 at 2:57pm: Frank wrote on Nov 6th, 2016 at 12:15pm: Well, NOT a corrupt, unprincipled, two-faced, grasping, cynical sick old woman who projects surrender, sells out American diplomatic staff, peddles influence for mere cash. So NOT Hilary, then. Hmmm... Methinks the superannuated doth misogynate too much... Trump lies over 70% of the time... Doesn't that qualify more unprincipled, two-faced, grasping and cynical? Over 70%, eh?? You are completely discombobulated. In this election campaign Trump has not been cynical or grasping or even unprincipled or two-faced. He has not said that he would build a wall and then behind closed door say to his donors that he wanted an open borders world. The thing about Trump is that he is going to do what he is saying - because he has absolutely zero interest in not keeping his word. There is no 30 years' worth of political favours and donations to protect and nurture.

And you know what he says behind closed doors because....?

So... Trump has made no political promises over 30 years,Trump has no experience in politics, therefore Trump will keep his political promises?

If trump had no interest in lying... Why has he lied 70% of the time?

Is that a Granuiad 70% or an ABC 70%? CNN?

Frank wrote on Nov 6^th, 2016 at 6:15pm:

Is that a Granuiad 70% or an ABC 70%? CNN?

Out of 'yes but, no but' ?

Let's go with the larest of Trump lies... Made all the worse because it exploits the blind stupid mindsets of his most blood simple supporters...

Trump Says Hillary Clinton "wants to let people just pour in. You could have 650 million people pour in and we do nothing about it. Think of it. That’s what could happen. You triple the size of our country in one week."

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 6^th, 2016 at 6:39pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 6th, 2016 at 6:15pm: Is that a Granuiad 70% or an ABC 70%? CNN? Out of 'yes but, no but' ? Let's go with the larest of Trump lies... Made all the worse because it exploits the blind stupid mindsets of his most blood simple supporters... Trump Says Hillary Clinton "wants to let people just pour in. You could have 650 million people pour in and we do nothing about it. Think of it. That’s what could happen. You triple the size of our country in one week."

Rhetorical flourish.

She is for open borders: https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/immigration-reform/

Or this;
"My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, sometime in the future with energy that's as green and sustainable as we can get it, powering growth and opportunity for every person in the hemisphere," Clinton reportedly said to investors in a paid speech she gave to Brazilian Banco Itau in 2013.

Here's the thing about borders. If you don't have borders, you don't have a country. Americans are beginning to understand this. Europeans understand it now, quite clearly.

Clinton's dream also includes a Western Hemispheric common market, like the European common market that is dissolving in chaos, fear and debt.

If that is indeed her dream, then she dreams the internationalist dream that would end America. But Americans aren't talking about this, perhaps because there is no video involving sex and Hollywood and Trump.

I would love to hear Clinton's explanation. Perhaps she could put it in some proper context.

Or perhaps she was merely telling the Brazilians something they wanted to hear, because they were paying her a good chunk of cash.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/kass/ct-hillary-clinton-open-borders-kass-1012-20161011-column.html

Frank wrote on Nov 6^th, 2016 at 7:48pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 6th, 2016 at 6:39pm: Frank wrote on Nov 6th, 2016 at 6:15pm: Is that a Granuiad 70% or an ABC 70%? CNN? Out of 'yes but, no but' ? Let's go with the larest of Trump lies... Made all the worse because it exploits the blind stupid mindsets of his most blood simple supporters... Trump Says Hillary Clinton "wants to let people just pour in. You could have 650 million people pour in and we do nothing about it. Think of it. That’s what could happen. You triple the size of our country in one week." Rhetorical flourish.

No... Not a rhetorical flourish... Rhetorical flourish stops way before that..

This is a blatant lie spoken to alarm the most stupid and blood simple of his supporters.

Richdude wrote on Nov 6^th, 2016 at 1:30am:

North you really have no idea what you are talking about. Americans are no more militaristic than any other country I have lived in. America is generally a pleasant and peaceful country. The difference here is that the media is always dreaming up new threats. Communism, terrorism, China, North Korea and now Russian aggression. The American people are constantly brainwashed that they are under threat. The media is just a propaganda tool of corporate interests and those wishing to further consolidate and centralize World control. Trump is refreshingly honest and straightforward - not PC. Perhaps its you that has the problem?

you also have the powerful gun lobby over there that seems to have far too much POWER...lets face it its the guns that are made in America that are doing great in the M.E.....

I have to admit.. not that I would vote for him but he does say some truths.. like why do America step up... all the time.. and yet never get paid for it..... the first country that is asked for help is always America...they get bugger all thanks for it.. and all the blame when it goes pearshaped like it always does in Africa and the M.E.. always goes pearshaped..they all  hate each others guts...and they always want a Western country to fight their battles... while their lords and chiefs live in luxury bleeding the country dry.....

does it stop terrorists taking over... not that I see..

the CLinton Foundation is a thorough sham...I would imagine the Clintons themselves receive the largest donations from it...an absolute disgrace...as for the emails.. as a 30 yr veteran of politics.. it makes it even harder to believe she is what she claims to be..

I wonder if she takes any responsibility for the state of Libya which is the new terrorist hideout...

cods wrote on Nov 6^th, 2016 at 8:03pm:

Richdude wrote on Nov 6th, 2016 at 1:30am: North you really have no idea what you are talking about. Americans are no more militaristic than any other country I have lived in. America is generally a pleasant and peaceful country. The difference here is that the media is always dreaming up new threats. Communism, terrorism, China, North Korea and now Russian aggression. The American people are constantly brainwashed that they are under threat. The media is just a propaganda tool of corporate interests and those wishing to further consolidate and centralize World control. Trump is refreshingly honest and straightforward - not PC. Perhaps its you that has the problem? you also have the powerful gun lobby over there that seems to have far too much POWER...lets face it its the guns that are made in America that are doing great in the M.E..... I have to admit.. not that I would vote for him but he does say some truths.. like why do America step up... all the time.. and yet never get paid for it..... the first country that is asked for help is always America...they get bugger all thanks for it.. and all the blame when it goes pearshaped like it always does in Africa and the M.E.. always goes pearshaped..they all  hate each others guts...and they always want a Western country to fight their battles... while their lords and chiefs live in luxury bleeding the country dry..... does it stop terrorists taking over... not that I see.. the CLinton Foundation is a thorough sham...I would imagine the Clintons themselves receive the largest donations from it...an absolute disgrace...as for the emails.. as a 30 yr veteran of politics.. it makes it even harder to believe she is what she claims to be.. I wonder if she takes any responsibility for the state of Libya which is the new terrorist hideout...

  Agreed - mostly!

I have successfully persuaded most of my friends and relatives to vote for Trump. Previously as ignorant as North is now.
Trump has never consistently made racist, intolerant, sexist, or belittled a disabled person. Media invention. Just as the 7 molested woman - a DNC invention.

Personally don't like guns but plenty around here do - you get used to the sound of gunfire. Kind of like living next to an airport. People can never have enough freedom as long as it is coupled with responsibility. Limiting someones freedom also limits mine a concept that few Australians understand.

Richdude wrote on Nov 7^th, 2016 at 1:53am:

Personally don't like guns but plenty around here do - you get used to the sound of gunfire. Kind of like living next to an airport. People can never have enough freedom as long as it is coupled with responsibility. Limiting someones freedom also limits mine a concept that few Australians understand.

Ahh... No.... We understand freedom I'd say many times more than Americans understand the concept...

When it comes to guns, we in Australia, as a majority, believe that its nice to think our children can go to school and have an almost certain expectation of coming home alive or with all 4 limbs attached to their bodies as opposed to one or two of them plastered against a schoolroom wall beacuse some white American male who can't get fvked by a real woman decides to shoot to pieces 20 children... Then, like the true coward he has been bred to be, turns the gun on himself.

We in Australia understand the concept of willing for others that which you would will for yourself in the context of... In order for a society to be safe from murderous rampages we must restrict from everyone the means of its most viable perpetration - i.e. access to high powered firearms...

Now I know that this ideal has no value in the US because for so many of you, in your cultural minds, its 1775 and 'the British are coming'... Maybe its just one of the risks of founding a nation by revolution.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 7^th, 2016 at 8:05am:

Richdude wrote on Nov 7th, 2016 at 1:53am: Personally don't like guns but plenty around here do - you get used to the sound of gunfire. Kind of like living next to an airport. People can never have enough freedom as long as it is coupled with responsibility. Limiting someones freedom also limits mine a concept that few Australians understand. Ahh... No.... We understand freedom I'd say many times more than Americans understand the concept... When it comes to guns, we in Australia, as a majority, believe that its nice to think our children can go to school and have an almost certain expectation of coming home alive or with all 4 limbs attached to their bodies as opposed to one or two of them plastered against a schoolroom wall beacuse some white American male who can't get fvked by a real woman decides to shoot to pieces 20 children... Then, like the true coward he has been bred to be, turns the gun on himself. We in Australia understand the concept of willing for others that which you would will for yourself in the context of... In order for a society to be safe from murderous rampages we must restrict from everyone the means of its most viable perpetration - i.e. access to high powered firearms... Now I know that this ideal has no value in the US because for so many of you, in your cultural minds, its 1775 and 'the British are coming'... Maybe its just one of the risks of founding a nation by revolution.

Whatever

Richdude wrote on Nov 7^th, 2016 at 12:09pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 7th, 2016 at 8:05am: Richdude wrote on Nov 7th, 2016 at 1:53am: Personally don't like guns but plenty around here do - you get used to the sound of gunfire. Kind of like living next to an airport. People can never have enough freedom as long as it is coupled with responsibility. Limiting someones freedom also limits mine a concept that few Australians understand. Ahh... No.... We understand freedom I'd say many times more than Americans understand the concept... When it comes to guns, we in Australia, as a majority, believe that its nice to think our children can go to school and have an almost certain expectation of coming home alive or with all 4 limbs attached to their bodies as opposed to one or two of them plastered against a schoolroom wall beacuse some white American male who can't get fvked by a real woman decides to shoot to pieces 20 children... Then, like the true coward he has been bred to be, turns the gun on himself. We in Australia understand the concept of willing for others that which you would will for yourself in the context of... In order for a society to be safe from murderous rampages we must restrict from everyone the means of its most viable perpetration - i.e. access to high powered firearms... Now I know that this ideal has no value in the US because for so many of you, in your cultural minds, its 1775 and 'the British are coming'... Maybe its just one of the risks of founding a nation by revolution. Whatever

Bang bang... They're dead.

Jim Jefferies on the second amendment...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rR9IaXH1M0

So... Whats that old nutjob conman claiming he can do now... Not including, y'know, flying with just arse-wind for propellant...

Promising to bring back steel jobs, end government corruption, repeal Obamacare, renegotiate NAFTA, build a southern border wall and "Mexico is paying for the wall", promising to cut taxes, end the Syrian migrant program, end arrivals from "terrorist prone" areas of the world and deal with the "corrupt media" who are "real liars"...

Oh Yes, And they're the real liars!!??

He stuck with that Obama's birth crap for years before finally calling bullshit... On himself.

This kvnt will spend the rest of his life in a psychiatric fog (whether he wins or loses) after 8/11... Because whether he wins or loses, it takes a mind more sound than his to endure either (win or loss) on this gargantuan scale... Even Nixon, (who was finally brought down by the flaws in his psyche), was more psychologically equipped than Trump.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 7^th, 2016 at 8:05am:

Richdude wrote on Nov 7th, 2016 at 1:53am: Personally don't like guns but plenty around here do - you get used to the sound of gunfire. Kind of like living next to an airport. People can never have enough freedom as long as it is coupled with responsibility. Limiting someones freedom also limits mine a concept that few Australians understand. Ahh... No.... We understand freedom I'd say many times more than Americans understand the concept... When it comes to guns, we in Australia, as a majority, believe that its nice to think our children can go to school and have an almost certain expectation of coming home alive or with all 4 limbs attached to their bodies as opposed to one or two of them plastered against a schoolroom wall beacuse some white American male who can't get fvked by a real woman decides to shoot to pieces 20 children... Then, like the true coward he has been bred to be, turns the gun on himself. We in Australia understand the concept of willing for others that which you would will for yourself in the context of... In order for a society to be safe from murderous rampages we must restrict from everyone the means of its most viable perpetration - i.e. access to high powered firearms... Now I know that this ideal has no value in the US because for so many of you, in your cultural minds, its 1775 and 'the British are coming'... Maybe its just one of the risks of founding a nation by revolution.

Sounds like you are going through a troubled time.
Have you tried meditation? Just 20 mins morning and evening.

Richdude wrote on Nov 7^th, 2016 at 10:58pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 7th, 2016 at 8:05am: Richdude wrote on Nov 7th, 2016 at 1:53am: Personally don't like guns but plenty around here do - you get used to the sound of gunfire. Kind of like living next to an airport. People can never have enough freedom as long as it is coupled with responsibility. Limiting someones freedom also limits mine a concept that few Australians understand. Ahh... No.... We understand freedom I'd say many times more than Americans understand the concept... When it comes to guns, we in Australia, as a majority, believe that its nice to think our children can go to school and have an almost certain expectation of coming home alive or with all 4 limbs attached to their bodies as opposed to one or two of them plastered against a schoolroom wall beacuse some white American male who can't get fvked by a real woman decides to shoot to pieces 20 children... Then, like the true coward he has been bred to be, turns the gun on himself. We in Australia understand the concept of willing for others that which you would will for yourself in the context of... In order for a society to be safe from murderous rampages we must restrict from everyone the means of its most viable perpetration - i.e. access to high powered firearms... Now I know that this ideal has no value in the US because for so many of you, in your cultural minds, its 1775 and 'the British are coming'... Maybe its just one of the risks of founding a nation by revolution. Sounds like you are going through a troubled time. Have you tried meditation? Just 20 mins morning and evening.

Too many multi syllabic words?

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 7^th, 2016 at 5:28pm:

So... Whats that old nutjob conman claiming he can do now... Not including, y'know, flying with just arse-wind for propellant... Promising to bring back steel jobs, end government corruption, repeal Obamacare, renegotiate NAFTA, build a southern border wall and "Mexico is paying for the wall", promising to cut taxes, end the Syrian migrant program, end arrivals from "terrorist prone" areas of the world and deal with the "corrupt media" who are "real liars"... Oh Yes, And they're the real liars!!?? He stuck with that Obama's birth crap for years before finally calling bullshit... On himself. This kvnt will spend the rest of his life in a psychiatric fog (whether he wins or loses) after 8/11... Because whether he wins or loses, it takes a mind more sound than his to endure either (win or loss) on this gargantuan scale... Even Nixon, (who was finally brought down by the flaws in his psyche), was more psychologically equipped than Trump.

What is he going to do now?
He is going to tell your likes to ffo kcuf outa da road, you are holding up things for no good reason.

That's what he is going to do.  And you'd better get the kcuf outa da way, pal, and take all your stupid, weeping, triggered friends with you. You had your turn, now move over.

Frank wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 8:30pm:

That's what he is going to do.  And you'd better get the kcuf outa da way, pal, and take all your stupid, weeping, triggered friends with you. You had your turn, now move over.

you sound like one of trumps policy writers . :D :D :D

he won't do sh1t. Now wipe that drool of your face.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 6^th, 2016 at 4:42pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 6th, 2016 at 3:53pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 6th, 2016 at 2:57pm: Frank wrote on Nov 6th, 2016 at 12:15pm: Well, NOT a corrupt, unprincipled, two-faced, grasping, cynical sick old woman who projects surrender, sells out American diplomatic staff, peddles influence for mere cash. So NOT Hilary, then. Hmmm... Methinks the superannuated doth misogynate too much... Trump lies over 70% of the time... Doesn't that qualify more unprincipled, two-faced, grasping and cynical? Over 70%, eh?? You are completely discombobulated. In this election campaign Trump has not been cynical or grasping or even unprincipled or two-faced. He has not said that he would build a wall and then behind closed door say to his donors that he wanted an open borders world. The thing about Trump is that he is going to do what he is saying - because he has absolutely zero interest in not keeping his word. There is no 30 years' worth of political favours and donations to protect and nurture. And you know what he says behind closed doors because....? So... Trump has made no political promises over 30 years,Trump has no experience in politics, therefore Trump will keep his political promises? If trump had no interest in lying... Why has he lied 70% of the time?

Please go away for a few decades. Your utter lack of insight (ie your wilful blindness) discredits your every utterance. You are a sniping, ignorant moron with zero intuition, zero comprehension and therefore zero credibility. You have had your 18 months of idiocy, it;s now time for you to shut up and stay shut up.

Frank wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 9:05pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 6th, 2016 at 4:42pm: Frank wrote on Nov 6th, 2016 at 3:53pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 6th, 2016 at 2:57pm: Frank wrote on Nov 6th, 2016 at 12:15pm: Well, NOT a corrupt, unprincipled, two-faced, grasping, cynical sick old woman who projects surrender, sells out American diplomatic staff, peddles influence for mere cash. So NOT Hilary, then. Hmmm... Methinks the superannuated doth misogynate too much... Trump lies over 70% of the time... Doesn't that qualify more unprincipled, two-faced, grasping and cynical? Over 70%, eh?? You are completely discombobulated. In this election campaign Trump has not been cynical or grasping or even unprincipled or two-faced. He has not said that he would build a wall and then behind closed door say to his donors that he wanted an open borders world. The thing about Trump is that he is going to do what he is saying - because he has absolutely zero interest in not keeping his word. There is no 30 years' worth of political favours and donations to protect and nurture. And you know what he says behind closed doors because....? So... Trump has made no political promises over 30 years,Trump has no experience in politics, therefore Trump will keep his political promises? If trump had no interest in lying... Why has he lied 70% of the time? Please go away for a few decades. Your utter lack of insight (ie your wilful blindness) discredits your every utterance. You are a sniping, ignorant nice person with zero intuition, zero comprehension and therefore zero credibility. You have had your 18 months of idiocy, it;s now time for you to shut up and stay shut up.

I guess there ain't more stupid than old codger stupid... After the nurses have cleaned you up have a think...

Trump was elected... Y'know like Mussolini and Hitler were elected... Their election didn't make them less liars (or democrats).

So now... The big wall, throwing out the Mexicans, cutting all dem taxes, the end of Muslim immigration, taking back all dem jobs, y'know, from the yellow man... How much of all that is going to turn out to be lies?

And another thing, you stupid bugger... You're Australian, I'm guessing... Given Trump's 'policies' indicate that he is likely to be an isolationist... How would that benefit Australia? Y'know... A country he holds no allegiance to nor responsibility for...

Received this in an email this morning:

Trump has won, so what happens now. The sun will come up tomorrow. Mums and Dads still go shopping. Children go to school. Workers still go to work and business continue to trade. So economically, nothing has changed and the economic fundamentals of the US economy are fine and improving.

Social policies will change, as the Republicans have not only won the Presidency but also the House and the Senate. In fact, the Republicans tend to introduce very favourable business policies. Some of the policies will seem strange to Australians (like winding back Obama care) but It is unlikely Republicans Senators and Congressmen, no matter how much they dislike Trump, will block his proposed tax cuts or pro-business policies.

Stock markets don’t trade on social policy, they worry about economic policies, and very few saw a clean sweep for the Republicans in this election which means a very pro-business government in the USA.

America, however will become more protectionist and more withdrawn. This was the outcome regardless of a Democratic or Republican win. This may mean that their foreign policy will become withdrawn with less direct international interference. This may cause Australia to be drawn closer to Asia, as trade blocks deals like the TPP (Trans-Pacific Partnership), which pivoted on US involvement, now look likely to fail. This could end up being good for Australia especially as the UK will also being looking for new trading partners.

Don’t panic.

The Heartless Felon wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:01am:

America, however will become more protectionist and more withdrawn. This was the outcome regardless of a Democratic or Republican win. This may mean that their foreign policy will become withdrawn with less direct international interference. This may cause Australia to be drawn closer to Asia, as trade blocks deals like the TPP (Trans-Pacific Partnership), which pivoted on US involvement, now look likely to fail. This could end up being good for Australia especially as the UK will also being looking for new trading partners. Don’t panic.

Not so long ago, there were many who 'predicted' that, as Chinese demand for Australian minerals waned, India would 'come on'....

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 6:39am:

Frank wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 9:05pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 6th, 2016 at 4:42pm: Frank wrote on Nov 6th, 2016 at 3:53pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 6th, 2016 at 2:57pm: Frank wrote on Nov 6th, 2016 at 12:15pm: Well, NOT a corrupt, unprincipled, two-faced, grasping, cynical sick old woman who projects surrender, sells out American diplomatic staff, peddles influence for mere cash. So NOT Hilary, then. Hmmm... Methinks the superannuated doth misogynate too much... Trump lies over 70% of the time... Doesn't that qualify more unprincipled, two-faced, grasping and cynical? Over 70%, eh?? You are completely discombobulated. In this election campaign Trump has not been cynical or grasping or even unprincipled or two-faced. He has not said that he would build a wall and then behind closed door say to his donors that he wanted an open borders world. The thing about Trump is that he is going to do what he is saying - because he has absolutely zero interest in not keeping his word. There is no 30 years' worth of political favours and donations to protect and nurture. And you know what he says behind closed doors because....? So... Trump has made no political promises over 30 years,Trump has no experience in politics, therefore Trump will keep his political promises? If trump had no interest in lying... Why has he lied 70% of the time? Please go away for a few decades. Your utter lack of insight (ie your wilful blindness) discredits your every utterance. You are a sniping, ignorant nice person with zero intuition, zero comprehension and therefore zero credibility. You have had your 18 months of idiocy, it;s now time for you to shut up and stay shut up. I guess there ain't more stupid than old codger stupid... After the nurses have cleaned you up have a think... Trump was elected... Y'know like Mussolini and Hitler were elected... Their election didn't make them less liars (or democrats). So now... The big wall, throwing out the Mexicans, cutting all dem taxes, the end of Muslim immigration, taking back all dem jobs, y'know, from the yellow man... How much of all that is going to turn out to be lies? And another thing, you stupid bugger... You're Australian, I'm guessing... Given Trump's 'policies' indicate that he is likely to be an isolationist... How would that benefit Australia? Y'know... A country he holds no allegiance to nor responsibility for...

Alluding to Italy and Germany just confirms how addled your mind is.

And being a little bit more careful about trade deals, to make sure they do not benefit everyone else but America is not isolationism.

The hyperbolic, over-the-top Trump derangement syndrome is ridiculous. What are you? A 20 year old college girl who just got triggered and is now staying triggered for the duration?

Frank wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 7:07pm:

Alluding to Italy and Germany just confirms how addled your mind is. And being a little bit morer careful about trade deals, to make sure they do not benefit everyone else but America is not isolationism. The hyperbolic, over-the-top rump derangement syndrome is ridiculous? What are you? A 20 year old college girl who just got triggered and is now staying triggered for the duration?

Frank... (I said Frank, I said bloke, I said mate, I said Frank)... You sad old codge... You've been an old fool all your life, that's for sure...

An Australian who thinks an American isolationist is somehow going to be good for Australia... (a little bit more careful, you thinks... About trade deals!!??)

It's not for love of America (or Australia) that Putin and the Chinese can't believe their luck with Trump... They want the US out of Europe and the Western Pacific (respectively)...

Face it... Deep down you know its true... You're another good argument for euthanasia.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 8:33pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 10th, 2016 at 7:07pm: Alluding to Italy and Germany just confirms how addled your mind is. And being a little bit morer careful about trade deals, to make sure they do not benefit everyone else but America is not isolationism. The hyperbolic, over-the-top rump derangement syndrome is ridiculous? What are you? A 20 year old college girl who just got triggered and is now staying triggered for the duration? Frank... (I said Frank, I said bloke, I said mate, I said Frank)... You sad old codge... You've been an old fool all your life, that's for sure... An Australian who thinks an American isolationist is somehow going to be good for Australia... (a little bit more careful, you thinks... About trade deals!!??) It's not for love of America (or Australia) that Putin and the Chinese can't believe their luck with Trump... They want the US out of Europe and the Western Pacific (respectively)... Face it... Deep down you know its true... You're another good argument for euthanasia.

Wildly overstated fantasies.  You would have us believe that the Russians and the Chinese were worried about Hill getting is and smacking their bottoms.

There is not going to be isolationism. There is going to be insistence that 'free trade deals' with low wage countries like China do not mean massive trade deficits for the US.

There will be insistence that rich countries like Germany, Korea, Japan pay their share towards their own defence rather than the American tax payer picking up the bill as has been the case for 70 years.  They have money, they can finance their own defences. This doesn't mean the end of the alliance. Its just that the bill is going to be divvied up fairly, for a change.

Frank wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:09pm:

There will be insistence that rich countries like Germany, Korea, Japan pay their share towards their own defence

Do you include Australia in this list of 'bludger nations'?

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:18pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 10th, 2016 at 9:09pm: There will be insistence that rich countries like Germany, Korea, Japan pay their share towards their own defence Do you include Australia in this list of 'bludger nations'?

No.

Per capita spending
Rank      Country      Amount USD$
1       Saudi Arabia      6,909[6]
2       Singapore      2,385
3       Israel      1,882
4       United States      1,859
5       Kuwait      1,289
6       Norway      1,245
7       Greece      1,230
8       United Kingdom      1,066
9       France      977
10       Bahrain      912
11       Australia      893
12       Brunei      866
13       Luxembourg      809
14       Denmark      804
15       Netherlands      759

Really?

Top 15 Defence Budgets 2015[
Rank      Country      Spending
($ Bn.)
1      United States United States      597.5
2      China China      145.8
3      Saudi Arabia Saudi Arabia      81.9
4      Russia Russia      65.6
5      United Kingdom United Kingdom      56.2
6      India India      48.0
7      France France      46.8
8      Japan Japan      41.0
9      Germany Germany      36.7
10      South Korea South Korea      33.5
11      Brazil Brazil      24.3
12      Australia Australia      22.8
13      Italy Italy      21.6
14      Iraq Iraq      21.1
15      Israel Israel      18.6