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Message started by AnotherJourneyByTrain on Nov 3rd, 2016 at 3:09pm

Title: ** the famed wall of trump
Post by AnotherJourneyByTrain on Nov 3rd, 2016 at 3:09pm
Mexicans have been told they are going to pay for that “tremendous wall” along their roughly 3200-kilometre border with the United States, which would cost approximately US$12 billion to build. This boast was unlikely to win Mexicans over to Trump.

source: "There are six types of ugly American and Donald Trump is all of them", The Sydney Morning Herald

If Mexicans were to build it wouldn't it just be a Hoover dam exercise in getting back on track?

Title: Re: ** the famed wall of trump
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 3rd, 2016 at 3:27pm

TheFunPolice wrote on Nov 3rd, 2016 at 3:09pm:
Mexicans have been told they are going to pay for that “tremendous wall” along their roughly 3200-kilometre border with the United States, which would cost approximately US$12 billion to build. This boast was unlikely to win Mexicans over to Trump.




Title: Re: ** the famed wall of trump
Post by Steampipe on Nov 3rd, 2016 at 4:48pm

TheFunPolice wrote on Nov 3rd, 2016 at 3:09pm:
Mexicans have been told they are going to pay for that “tremendous wall” along their roughly 3200-kilometre border with the United States, which would cost approximately US$12 billion to build. This boast was unlikely to win Mexicans over to Trump.

source: "There are six types of ugly American and Donald Trump is all of them", The Sydney Morning Herald

If Mexicans were to build it wouldn't it just be a Hoover dam exercise in getting back on track?


Why would Trump want to win over the Mexicans, they cant vote. The voters that have Mexicans pouring into their community on the other hand do vote.

Title: Re: ** the famed wall of trump
Post by issuevoter on Nov 3rd, 2016 at 6:06pm
From the beginning of the campaign, Trump has been adamant about building the wall, and getting Mexico to pay for it. Its the type of hyperbole that is his trade mark. He may not be the sharpest tack in the box, but I think he is smart enough to realise that such a project would be impractical and ineffective.

Should he be elected, and I have serious doubts about that, he would probably push for policies that place steep tariffs on imports from cheap labor countries, when they are in competition with US workers, especially Mexico. At the same time I would expect a huge ramping up of border surveillance, perhaps even militarisation. That combination, I think is Trump's "wall." His commnets on the motor industry seem to indicate this approach. One big stumbling block is that stock holders, in the corporations affected, are at present making out like bandits while their businesses use cheap foreign labor. They are not voting for Trump.

President's don't rule by decree, they have to get a lot of people to go along with them. He has alienated half the Republican Party big-wigs and is relying on a grassroots swing to overpower them. Trouble is, he has alienated half of the lower income people too.

Title: Re: ** the famed wall of trump
Post by AnotherJourneyByTrain on Nov 3rd, 2016 at 6:23pm

Steampipe wrote on Nov 3rd, 2016 at 4:48pm:

TheFunPolice wrote on Nov 3rd, 2016 at 3:09pm:
Mexicans have been told they are going to pay for that “tremendous wall” along their roughly 3200-kilometre border with the United States, which would cost approximately US$12 billion to build. This boast was unlikely to win Mexicans over to Trump.

source: "There are six types of ugly American and Donald Trump is all of them", The Sydney Morning Herald

If Mexicans were to build it wouldn't it just be a Hoover dam exercise in getting back on track?


Why would Trump want to win over the Mexicans, they cant vote. The voters that have Mexicans pouring into their community on the other hand do vote.

It's wedge politics: the Mexicans in America know that there is no work and/or middle class back home- have you ever been to Mexico?

Even the non-dangerous places suck... they suck more!!! The dangerous places have work  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

Title: Re: ** the famed wall of trump
Post by AnotherJourneyByTrain on Nov 3rd, 2016 at 6:28pm

issuevoter wrote on Nov 3rd, 2016 at 6:06pm:
From the beginning of the campaign, Trump has been adamant about building the wall, and getting Mexico to pay for it. Its the type of hyperbole that is his trade mark. He may not be the sharpest tack in the box, but I think he is smart enough to realise that such a project would be impractical and ineffective.

Should he be elected, and I have serious doubts about that, he would probably push for policies that place steep tariffs on imports from cheap labor countries, when they are in competition with US workers, especially Mexico. At the same time I would expect a huge ramping up of border surveillance, perhaps even militarisation. That combination, I think is Trump's "wall." His commnets on the motor industry seem to indicate this approach. One big stumbling block is that stock holders, in the corporations affected, are at present making out like bandits while their businesses use cheap foreign labor. They are not voting for Trump.

President's don't rule by decree, they have to get a lot of people to go along with them. He has alienated half the Republican Party big-wigs and is relying on a grassroots swing to overpower them. Trouble is, he has alienated half of the lower income people too.

He could lose but the point is that nobody likes any of the status quo. This is clear and revolution is afoot because of Trump declaring such.

Trump could win, in other words.

Title: Re: ** the famed wall of trump
Post by John Smith on Nov 3rd, 2016 at 6:37pm

Title: Re: ** the famed wall of trump
Post by John Smith on Nov 3rd, 2016 at 6:38pm
I guess someone forgot to tell them what happened to Humpty :D :D

Title: Re: ** the famed wall of trump
Post by AnotherJourneyByTrain on Nov 3rd, 2016 at 6:44pm

John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2016 at 6:38pm:
I guess someone forgot to tell them what happened to Humpty :D :D


Who is 'them' ??

Title: Re: ** the famed wall of trump
Post by John Smith on Nov 3rd, 2016 at 8:22pm

TheFunPolice wrote on Nov 3rd, 2016 at 6:44pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2016 at 6:38pm:
I guess someone forgot to tell them what happened to Humpty :D :D


Who is 'them' ??


whoever came up with that meme

Title: Re: ** the famed wall of trump
Post by issuevoter on Nov 3rd, 2016 at 9:25pm

TheFunPolice wrote on Nov 3rd, 2016 at 6:28pm:

issuevoter wrote on Nov 3rd, 2016 at 6:06pm:
From the beginning of the campaign, Trump has been adamant about building the wall, and getting Mexico to pay for it. Its the type of hyperbole that is his trade mark. He may not be the sharpest tack in the box, but I think he is smart enough to realise that such a project would be impractical and ineffective.

Should he be elected, and I have serious doubts about that, he would probably push for policies that place steep tariffs on imports from cheap labor countries, when they are in competition with US workers, especially Mexico. At the same time I would expect a huge ramping up of border surveillance, perhaps even militarisation. That combination, I think is Trump's "wall." His commnets on the motor industry seem to indicate this approach. One big stumbling block is that stock holders, in the corporations affected, are at present making out like bandits while their businesses use cheap foreign labor. They are not voting for Trump.

President's don't rule by decree, they have to get a lot of people to go along with them. He has alienated half the Republican Party big-wigs and is relying on a grassroots swing to overpower them. Trouble is, he has alienated half of the lower income people too.

He could lose but the point is that nobody likes any of the status quo. This is clear and revolution is afoot because of Trump declaring such.

Trump could win, in other words.


First of all, there are many people who like the status quo. That is why it exists. But revolution in the USA? I know the Americans, I spent years with them in the 70s 80s and 90s up until 2008. The longest period was 11 years. The single most important ingredient required for revolution is "want." Allow me to digress. The American "Revolution" of 1776, was not a revolution. The only thing that changed was the name on the "deed to the ranch." Today, Americans are, by and large, too comfortable to get up off their asses and take on the establishment. There has never been a revolution anywhere, by comfortable people with suburban values. As for the areas of real "want;" they have neither the organisation or sense of direction required to seize power by force. It is possible that a state like Texas might bring legislation to dissolve the union with the Federal government again, but there is no guarantee it would pass. That's not revolution.



Title: Re: ** the famed wall of trump
Post by AnotherJourneyByTrain on Nov 10th, 2016 at 9:11pm

issuevoter wrote on Nov 3rd, 2016 at 9:25pm:

TheFunPolice wrote on Nov 3rd, 2016 at 6:28pm:

issuevoter wrote on Nov 3rd, 2016 at 6:06pm:
From the beginning of the campaign, Trump has been adamant about building the wall, and getting Mexico to pay for it. Its the type of hyperbole that is his trade mark. He may not be the sharpest tack in the box, but I think he is smart enough to realise that such a project would be impractical and ineffective.

Should he be elected, and I have serious doubts about that, he would probably push for policies that place steep tariffs on imports from cheap labor countries, when they are in competition with US workers, especially Mexico. At the same time I would expect a huge ramping up of border surveillance, perhaps even militarisation. That combination, I think is Trump's "wall." His commnets on the motor industry seem to indicate this approach. One big stumbling block is that stock holders, in the corporations affected, are at present making out like bandits while their businesses use cheap foreign labor. They are not voting for Trump.

President's don't rule by decree, they have to get a lot of people to go along with them. He has alienated half the Republican Party big-wigs and is relying on a grassroots swing to overpower them. Trouble is, he has alienated half of the lower income people too.

He could lose but the point is that nobody likes any of the status quo. This is clear and revolution is afoot because of Trump declaring such.

Trump could win, in other words.


First of all, there are many people who like the status quo. That is why it exists. But revolution in the USA? I know the Americans, I spent years with them in the 70s 80s and 90s up until 2008. The longest period was 11 years. The single most important ingredient required for revolution is "want." Allow me to digress. The American "Revolution" of 1776, was not a revolution. The only thing that changed was the name on the "deed to the ranch." Today, Americans are, by and large, too comfortable to get up off their asses and take on the establishment. There has never been a revolution anywhere, by comfortable people with suburban values. As for the areas of real "want;" they have neither the organisation or sense of direction required to seize power by force. It is possible that a state like Texas might bring legislation to dissolve the union with the Federal government again, but there is no guarantee it would pass. That's not revolution.

Poignant comment,... in hindsight it's worth reading!  ;) ;)

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