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South Australia lost all of its power as a result of unrealistic Greens and Labor policy to use only renewable energy. Let this be a warning to all Australians and those who want to oppose other developing nations in the world coal fired power production. Renewable energy is not capable of sustaining base load! If you don't know what that means, it's time you look it up.

PH

This was proven to have been a lie a week ago or more. Why do so many continue to show off their stupidity.

A billion tons of coal was never going to keep the poles up in the now yearly once in 50 year storms

Dnarever wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2016 at 6:14pm:

This was proven to have been a lie a week ago or more. Why do so many continue to show off their stupidity.

It's the rightard way: lies and stupidity.

Dnarever wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2016 at 6:14pm:

This was proven to have been a lie a week ago or more. Why do so many continue to show off their stupidity. A billion tons of coal was never going to keep the poles up in the now yearly once in 50 year storms

err... you mean that ONE line between SA and Vic??

whereby SA Government can't supply their own state with power so have to rely on other states??

what an embarrassment..  :-[

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As thousands of South Australians entered their second day without power, One Nation Senator Pauline Hanson said it was looking more and more likely that wind turbines and Muslims were to blame.

http://www.theshovel.com.au/2016/09/29/renewable-energy-muslims-most-likely-cause-of-sa-power-outage-hanson-says/
Ho Ho Ho - it was the Muslims - how predictable.

Dnarever wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2016 at 6:47pm:

[quote]As thousands of South Australians entered their second day without power, One Nation Senator Pauline Hanson said it was looking more and more likely that wind turbines and Muslims were to blame.

She's on the ball, that gal.

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President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2016 at 6:36pm:

[quote author=Jim_Puddle-Duck link=1475481251/2#2 date=1475482495]This was proven to have been a lie a week ago or more. Why do so many continue to show off their stupidity. A billion tons of coal was never going to keep the poles up in the now yearly once in 50 year storms

err... you mean that ONE line between SA and Vic??

whereby SA Government can't supply their own state with power so have to rely on other states??

what an embarrassment..  :-[/quote]

you mean that ONE line between SA and Vic


You do know that that line remained intact don't you ?

A series of high power towers north of Adelaide came down causing the network to shut down to protect itself.

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2016 at 6:36pm:

[quote author=Jim_Puddle-Duck link=1475481251/2#2 date=1475482495]This was proven to have been a lie a week ago or more. Why do so many continue to show off their stupidity. A billion tons of coal was never going to keep the poles up in the now yearly once in 50 year storms

err... you mean that ONE line between SA and Vic??

whereby SA Government can't supply their own state with power so have to rely on other states??

what an embarrassment..  :-[/quote]

Yes that's the one, they have to get coal fired power from another state when there is no wind or sun.

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2016 at 6:36pm:

[quote author=Jim_Puddle-Duck link=1475481251/2#2 date=1475482495]This was proven to have been a lie a week ago or more. Why do so many continue to show off their stupidity. A billion tons of coal was never going to keep the poles up in the now yearly once in 50 year storms

err... you mean that ONE line between SA and Vic??

whereby SA Government can't supply their own state with power so have to rely on other states??

what an embarrassment..  :-[/quote]

Blame the Liberal Government which privatised South Australia's power generation and supply system, not the South Australian Government.

As was said, a billion tons of coal was not going to stop the wind blowing over power supply towers which would have carried the electricity to the users.   Time to face reality.  Have a go at the privatisers.  Have a go at the electricity supply companies.  Do not blame the renewable generators which were not responsible for what happened in the one in fifty year weather event.    ::)

Dnarever wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2016 at 6:58pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Oct 3rd, 2016 at 6:36pm: [quote author=Jim_Puddle-Duck link=1475481251/2#2 date=1475482495]This was proven to have been a lie a week ago or more. Why do so many continue to show off their stupidity. A billion tons of coal was never going to keep the poles up in the now yearly once in 50 year storms err... you mean that ONE line between SA and Vic?? whereby SA Government can't supply their own state with power so have to rely on other states?? what an embarrassment..  :-[/quote] you mean that ONE line between SA and Vic You do know that that line remained intact don't you ? A series of high power towers north of Adelaide came down causing the network to shut down to protect itself.

have you ever heard of a WHOLE STATE being blacked out before dna?>...

just askin..

.as has been pointed out... which you seem to have no problem with SA had to depend on Vic for backup... ::) ::).. you see nothing wrong with that..


oh its ok.. a series of power towers came down..

problem solved!

and once again Mechanic proves why so many people on this forum laugh at him :D :D :D

cods wrote on Oct 4^th, 2016 at 8:02am:

have you ever heard of a WHOLE STATE being blacked out before dna?>...

have you ever heard of a state losing 22 transmission towers before? Even during cyclone Yasi, Australias biggest storm, Qld only lost two towers.

one day you liberal fools might actually open your eyes to the real world .. I know it won't be today, but I'm hopeful that it'll happen one day

Had SA had its own power generating capacity even the collapse of 22 towers would not have blacked out the entire state.  The wind turbines were not running because they are unable to deal with wind gust of more than 90kph, which occurred in that storm. This placed an extra load on the lines from Victoria which in turn shut down to avoid damage.  Had SA been running its own power stations and not been reliant on a limited capacity connection  from interstate the blackout would have been far less severe.

John Smith wrote on Oct 4^th, 2016 at 8:08am:

and once again Mechanic proves why so many people on this forum laugh at him :D :D :D

I think he was on the turps!  ;D ;D ;D

Belgarion wrote on Oct 4^th, 2016 at 8:50am:

Had SA had its own power generating capacity even the collapse of 22 towers would not have blacked out the entire state.  The wind turbines were not running because they are unable to deal with wind gust of more than 90kph, which occurred in that storm. This placed an extra load on the lines from Victoria which in turn shut down to avoid damage.  Had SA been running its own power stations and not been reliant on a limited capacity connection  from interstate the blackout would have been far less severe.

That bit you made up, there has been no mention of extra load causing anything. Wires going short circuit from tower crashes was the cause

Agree though SA needs at least one gas/coal powered station though and perhaps another interconnect

Belgarion wrote on Oct 4^th, 2016 at 8:50am:

Had SA had its own power generating capacity even the collapse of 22 towers would not have blacked out the entire state.  The wind turbines were not running because they are unable to deal with wind gust of more than 90kph, which occurred in that storm. This placed an extra load on the lines from Victoria which in turn shut down to avoid damage.  Had SA been running its own power stations and not been reliant on a limited capacity connection  from interstate the blackout would have been far less severe.

rubbish ..

at the time the safety switch tripped and caused the blackout, the turbines were running and they were generating power. You realise the wind isn't uniform across the whole state, right?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtcrBIFVYAACORi.jpg

Tom Koutsantonis, the SA Energy Minister has stated that there are going to be threats to SA's energy security  due to it's high level of renewables dependency. Of course, Redneck and John know more than the Energy minister.

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 4^th, 2016 at 9:18am:

Tom Koutsantonis, the SA Energy Minister has stated that there are going to be threats to SA's energy security  due to it's high level of renewables dependency. Of course, Redneck and John know more than the Energy minister.

He also said that the blackouts would have happened regardless of how the power is generated.  :D :D

John Smith wrote on Oct 4^th, 2016 at 9:10am:

Belgarion wrote on Oct 4th, 2016 at 8:50am: Had SA had its own power generating capacity even the collapse of 22 towers would not have blacked out the entire state.  The wind turbines were not running because they are unable to deal with wind gust of more than 90kph, which occurred in that storm. This placed an extra load on the lines from Victoria which in turn shut down to avoid damage.  Had SA been running its own power stations and not been reliant on a limited capacity connection  from interstate the blackout would have been far less severe. rubbish .. at the time the safety switch tripped and caused the blackout, the turbines were running and they were generating power. You realise the wind isn't uniform across the whole state, right? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtcrBIFVYAACORi.jpg

Have a read of this and hopefully overcome your ignorance.

https://stopthesethings.com/2016/09/29/another-statewide-blackout-south-australias-wind-power-disaster-continues/

Belgarion wrote on Oct 4^th, 2016 at 12:50pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 4th, 2016 at 9:10am: Belgarion wrote on Oct 4th, 2016 at 8:50am: Had SA had its own power generating capacity even the collapse of 22 towers would not have blacked out the entire state.  The wind turbines were not running because they are unable to deal with wind gust of more than 90kph, which occurred in that storm. This placed an extra load on the lines from Victoria which in turn shut down to avoid damage.  Had SA been running its own power stations and not been reliant on a limited capacity connection  from interstate the blackout would have been far less severe. rubbish .. at the time the safety switch tripped and caused the blackout, the turbines were running and they were generating power. You realise the wind isn't uniform across the whole state, right? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtcrBIFVYAACORi.jpg Have a read of this and hopefully overcome your ignorance. https://stopthesethings.com/2016/09/29/another-statewide-blackout-south-australias-wind-power-disaster-continues/

Game, Set and Match John

Once again others have to be embarrassed by your ignorance  :-[

Make sure you read that 'power generation for dummies' ... it'll help you immensely  :)

John Smith wrote on Oct 4^th, 2016 at 9:24am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 4th, 2016 at 9:18am: Tom Koutsantonis, the SA Energy Minister has stated that there are going to be threats to SA's energy security  due to it's high level of renewables dependency. Of course, Redneck and John know more than the Energy minister. He also said that the blackouts would have happened regardless of how the power is generated.  :D :D

of course they would... ::) ::)

in other words he is the Minister of Failed
John Smith wrote on Oct 4^th, 2016 at 8:09am:

cods wrote on Oct 4th, 2016 at 8:02am: have you ever heard of a WHOLE STATE being blacked out before dna?>... have you ever heard of a state losing 22 transmission towers before? Even during cyclone Yasi, Australias biggest storm, Qld only lost two towers. one day you liberal fools might actually open your eyes to the real world .. I know it won't be today, but I'm hopeful that it'll happen one day

yasi wasnt the biggest storm in the world.....and I have never heard of anywhere being completely in darkness for hours..do to some wind......no matter what was thrown at them..why ALL these tower came down I do not know.......

but I do know they are ,or would be very vulnerable to the elements.... therefore no matter what.,.any govt that puts all its eggs in one basket......is not in my opinion a very good govt..

they shut down the States  Power Stations.. probably for votes. :D :D

I am sure that  works for you though. ::)

Belgarion wrote on Oct 4^th, 2016 at 12:50pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 4th, 2016 at 9:10am: Belgarion wrote on Oct 4th, 2016 at 8:50am: Had SA had its own power generating capacity even the collapse of 22 towers would not have blacked out the entire state.  The wind turbines were not running because they are unable to deal with wind gust of more than 90kph, which occurred in that storm. This placed an extra load on the lines from Victoria which in turn shut down to avoid damage.  Had SA been running its own power stations and not been reliant on a limited capacity connection  from interstate the blackout would have been far less severe. rubbish .. at the time the safety switch tripped and caused the blackout, the turbines were running and they were generating power. You realise the wind isn't uniform across the whole state, right? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtcrBIFVYAACORi.jpg Have a read of this and hopefully overcome your ignorance. https://stopthesethings.com/2016/09/29/another-statewide-blackout-south-australias-wind-power-disaster-continues/

Gee, the transmission of electricity halts and the power generators aren't transmitting power.  Just how gullible are you, Belgarion?   ::)

cods wrote on Oct 4^th, 2016 at 3:11pm:

they shut down the States  Power Stations.. probably for votes. :D :D

"They" were a privately owned electricity supply company that decided it could not compete against cheaper, renewable energy generators, NOT the Government.   ::)

I wonder if the Band of Village Idiots and their esteemed leader, Pauline Hanson will make the same comments they did about South Australia's blackout about the current blackouts in NSW and Victoria caused by wild weather?

Surely all their coal fired power stations would have prevented that from occurring?   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 4^th, 2016 at 6:55pm:

Belgarion wrote on Oct 4th, 2016 at 12:50pm: John Smith wrote on Oct 4th, 2016 at 9:10am: Belgarion wrote on Oct 4th, 2016 at 8:50am: Had SA had its own power generating capacity even the collapse of 22 towers would not have blacked out the entire state.  The wind turbines were not running because they are unable to deal with wind gust of more than 90kph, which occurred in that storm. This placed an extra load on the lines from Victoria which in turn shut down to avoid damage.  Had SA been running its own power stations and not been reliant on a limited capacity connection  from interstate the blackout would have been far less severe. rubbish .. at the time the safety switch tripped and caused the blackout, the turbines were running and they were generating power. You realise the wind isn't uniform across the whole state, right? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtcrBIFVYAACORi.jpg Have a read of this and hopefully overcome your ignorance. https://stopthesethings.com/2016/09/29/another-statewide-blackout-south-australias-wind-power-disaster-continues/ Gee, the transmission of electricity halts and the power generators aren't transmitting power.  Just how gullible are you, Belgarion?   ::)

It must really be annoying to see your wishful thinking and outright denial refuted by facts  and figures.  ;D

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 4^th, 2016 at 6:57pm:

cods wrote on Oct 4th, 2016 at 3:11pm: they shut down the States  Power Stations.. probably for votes. :D :D "They" were a privately owned electricity supply company that decided it could not compete against cheaper, renewable energy generators, NOT the Government.   ::)

that is an outright lie...

renewable is dearer.. always has been..

the only thing making it cheaper are Tax Payer subsidies...

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5^th, 2016 at 12:08am:

I wonder if the Band of Village Idiots and their esteemed leader, Pauline Hanson will make the same comments they did about South Australia's blackout about the current blackouts in NSW and Victoria caused by wild weather? Surely all their coal fired power stations would have prevented that from occurring?   ::)

I live in Victoria and there's been no STATE WIDE blackout..

in a state that's been set up properly with base power you don't get that..

mind you.. the Dickhead Labor government here is trying hard to shut down our base power..

what will Victoria and South Australia do then for base power?

Belgarion wrote on Oct 4^th, 2016 at 12:50pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 4th, 2016 at 9:10am: Belgarion wrote on Oct 4th, 2016 at 8:50am: Had SA had its own power generating capacity even the collapse of 22 towers would not have blacked out the entire state.  The wind turbines were not running because they are unable to deal with wind gust of more than 90kph, which occurred in that storm. This placed an extra load on the lines from Victoria which in turn shut down to avoid damage.  Had SA been running its own power stations and not been reliant on a limited capacity connection  from interstate the blackout would have been far less severe. rubbish .. at the time the safety switch tripped and caused the blackout, the turbines were running and they were generating power. You realise the wind isn't uniform across the whole state, right? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtcrBIFVYAACORi.jpg Have a read of this and hopefully overcome your ignorance. https://stopthesethings.com/2016/09/29/another-statewide-blackout-south-australias-wind-power-disaster-continues/

why? you supposedly read it and it doesn't seem to have helped you overcome yours.

cods wrote on Oct 4^th, 2016 at 3:11pm:

yasi wasnt the biggest storm in the world.....

no one said it was


cods wrote on Oct 4^th, 2016 at 3:11pm:

and I have never heard of anywhere being completely in darkness for hours..do to some wind...

then turn on your hearing aid

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Oct 4^th, 2016 at 2:44pm:

Game, Set and Match John Once again others have to be embarrassed by your ignorance  :-[ Make sure you read that 'power generation for dummies' ... it'll help you immensely  :)

the only one embarrassed is you ... where in that story does it say the windmills stopped generating power?
;D ;D

John Smith wrote on Oct 5^th, 2016 at 7:33am:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Oct 4th, 2016 at 2:44pm: Game, Set and Match John Once again others have to be embarrassed by your ignorance  :-[ Make sure you read that 'power generation for dummies' ... it'll help you immensely  :) the only one embarrassed is you ... where in that story does it say the windmills stopped generating power? ;D ;D

"That 260MW collapse was the deliberate result of an automatic shutdown of the wind farms based in SA’s mid-North, located in the path of the storm front: the final and total collapse in SA’s power supply follows immediately thereafter."

John Smith wrote on Oct 5^th, 2016 at 7:33am:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Oct 4th, 2016 at 2:44pm: Game, Set and Match John Once again others have to be embarrassed by your ignorance  :-[ Make sure you read that 'power generation for dummies' ... it'll help you immensely  :) the only one embarrassed is you ... where in that story does it say the windmills stopped generating power? ;D ;D

The wind turbines shut down in strong winds it's a safety thing.

Solar panels don't work when overcast and stormy.

Renewables are not very reliable in high or low winds with cloud cover.

Belgarion wrote on Oct 5^th, 2016 at 2:35pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 5th, 2016 at 7:33am: President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Oct 4th, 2016 at 2:44pm: Game, Set and Match John Once again others have to be embarrassed by your ignorance  :-[ Make sure you read that 'power generation for dummies' ... it'll help you immensely  :) the only one embarrassed is you ... where in that story does it say the windmills stopped generating power? ;D ;D "That 260MW collapse was the deliberate result of an automatic shutdown of the wind farms based in SA’s mid-North, located in the path of the storm front: the final and total collapse in SA’s power supply follows immediately thereafter."

that is referencing the wind farms in the states mid north

that 260MW collapse was the deliberate result of an automatic shutdown of the wind farms based in SA’s mid-North,

.... and the other farms? I noticed both you and 'stop these things' pretend they don't exist ... funny thing a site set up solely to stop wind farms is cherry picking it's data .. who'd a thunk it?

The stopped producing power only once the safety switch tripped. Up until that point, they were still producing power.

Belgarion wrote on Oct 5^th, 2016 at 6:41am:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 4th, 2016 at 6:55pm: Belgarion wrote on Oct 4th, 2016 at 12:50pm: John Smith wrote on Oct 4th, 2016 at 9:10am: Belgarion wrote on Oct 4th, 2016 at 8:50am: Had SA had its own power generating capacity even the collapse of 22 towers would not have blacked out the entire state.  The wind turbines were not running because they are unable to deal with wind gust of more than 90kph, which occurred in that storm. This placed an extra load on the lines from Victoria which in turn shut down to avoid damage.  Had SA been running its own power stations and not been reliant on a limited capacity connection  from interstate the blackout would have been far less severe. rubbish .. at the time the safety switch tripped and caused the blackout, the turbines were running and they were generating power. You realise the wind isn't uniform across the whole state, right? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtcrBIFVYAACORi.jpg Have a read of this and hopefully overcome your ignorance. https://stopthesethings.com/2016/09/29/another-statewide-blackout-south-australias-wind-power-disaster-continues/ Gee, the transmission of electricity halts and the power generators aren't transmitting power.  Just how gullible are you, Belgarion?   ::) It must really be annoying to see your wishful thinking and outright denial refuted by facts  and figures.  ;D

Where?   ::)

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Oct 5^th, 2016 at 6:46am:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 4th, 2016 at 6:57pm: cods wrote on Oct 4th, 2016 at 3:11pm: they shut down the States  Power Stations.. probably for votes. :D :D "They" were a privately owned electricity supply company that decided it could not compete against cheaper, renewable energy generators, NOT the Government.   ::) that is an outright lie... renewable is dearer.. always has been.. the only thing making it cheaper are Tax Payer subsidies...

Talk to the ex-owners of the Port Agusta Power Station...   ::)

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Oct 5^th, 2016 at 6:48am:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5th, 2016 at 12:08am: I wonder if the Band of Village Idiots and their esteemed leader, Pauline Hanson will make the same comments they did about South Australia's blackout about the current blackouts in NSW and Victoria caused by wild weather? Surely all their coal fired power stations would have prevented that from occurring?   ::) I live in Victoria and there's been no STATE WIDE blackout..

Didn't claim there was but over 10,000 customers are without power.  I wonder where their coal fired generators went, which were supposed to save them from the effects of bad weather?   ::)


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in a state that's been set up properly with base power you don't get that..

"Base power" or the supposed lack of that didn't cause the blackout in South Australia, any more than it has in NSW or Victoria.  The bad weather did...   ::)


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mind you.. the Dickhead Labor government here is trying hard to shut down our base power.. what will Victoria and South Australia do then for base power?

Smart Rocks technology?  Solar-Thermal power generation?  *GASP* Nuclear power generation?  Who knows but coal is on it's way out for sure.   ::)

John Smith wrote on Oct 5^th, 2016 at 4:35pm:

Belgarion wrote on Oct 5th, 2016 at 2:35pm: John Smith wrote on Oct 5th, 2016 at 7:33am: President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Oct 4th, 2016 at 2:44pm: Game, Set and Match John Once again others have to be embarrassed by your ignorance  :-[ Make sure you read that 'power generation for dummies' ... it'll help you immensely  :) the only one embarrassed is you ... where in that story does it say the windmills stopped generating power? ;D ;D "That 260MW collapse was the deliberate result of an automatic shutdown of the wind farms based in SA’s mid-North, located in the path of the storm front: the final and total collapse in SA’s power supply follows immediately thereafter." that is referencing the wind farms in the states mid north that 260MW collapse was the deliberate result of an automatic shutdown of the wind farms based in SA’s mid-North, .... and the other farms? I noticed both you and 'stop these things' pretend they don't exist ... funny thing a site set up solely to stop wind farms is cherry picking it's data .. who'd a thunk it? The stopped producing power only once the safety switch tripped. Up until that point, they were still producing power.

Yes, the safety switch tripped, which would not have happened to a power source unaffected by wind. The same thing happened to all SAs wind farms over the course of the day.   Once more, slowly....wind farms must operate within narrow limits ....limits that were exceeded across SA that day.

Belgarion wrote on Oct 5^th, 2016 at 11:53pm:

Yes, the safety switch tripped, which would not have happened to a power source unaffected by wind. The same thing happened to all SAs wind farms over the course of the day.   Once more, slowly....wind farms must operate within narrow limits ....limits that were exceeded across SA that day.

Yet, in NSW and Victoria the otherday, which are dependent on "a power source unaffected by wind", tens of thousands of customers lost power.   Gee, I wonder what caused that?  The wind perhaps?  Nah, they had coal fired power stations...    ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 6^th, 2016 at 3:03pm:

Belgarion wrote on Oct 5th, 2016 at 11:53pm: Yes, the safety switch tripped, which would not have happened to a power source unaffected by wind. The same thing happened to all SAs wind farms over the course of the day.   Once more, slowly....wind farms must operate within narrow limits ....limits that were exceeded across SA that day. Yet, in NSW and Victoria the otherday, which are dependent on "a power source unaffected by wind", tens of thousands of customers lost power.   Gee, I wonder what caused that?  The wind perhaps?  Nah, they had coal fired power stations...    ::) ::)

Exactly, they had coal fired power stations that could take up the load in spite of the weather conditions. They did not depend entirely on a source of power that cannot work when its too windy.  ::)

Belgarion wrote on Oct 6^th, 2016 at 6:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 6th, 2016 at 3:03pm: Belgarion wrote on Oct 5th, 2016 at 11:53pm: Yes, the safety switch tripped, which would not have happened to a power source unaffected by wind. The same thing happened to all SAs wind farms over the course of the day.   Once more, slowly....wind farms must operate within narrow limits ....limits that were exceeded across SA that day. Yet, in NSW and Victoria the otherday, which are dependent on "a power source unaffected by wind", tens of thousands of customers lost power.   Gee, I wonder what caused that?  The wind perhaps?  Nah, they had coal fired power stations...    ::) ::) Exactly, they had coal fired power stations that could take up the load in spite of the weather conditions. They did not depend entirely on a source of power that cannot work when its too windy.  ::)

So, then, what caused their power blackouts, Belgarion?

Gee, was it a loss of the power grid?   Gee, isn't that what happened in South Australia?    ::)