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http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl General Discussion >> Federal Politics >> We Can No Longer Ignore Taxpayer Exploitation http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1469571913 Message started by Swagman on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 8:25am

Title: We Can No Longer Ignore Taxpayer Exploitation
Post by Swagman on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 8:25am

It's a sad indictment of our flawed democracy (ochlocracy) that the majority at the ballot box that pay the minority of tax exploit the minority at the ballot box that pay the majority of tax.

Roughly 1 in 4 taxpayers pay the Lion's share of the cost of Govt. :(

Stronger protections are needed to stop the cycle of abuse among overtaxed taxpayers.

If you think taxpayer exploitation is only happening overseas in richer nations then you’d be wrong. It is happening right here in Australia, on our doorstep, in the so called lucky country.

Taxpayer mistreatment is becoming an all-too-common horror story in Australia. From agriculture to hospitality, retail, construction and everything in between, the increasing pervasive control of socialists over vulnerable taxpayers' earnings show that better protections are needed.

Socialist giants such as the ACTU and its political arms the ALP & Greens (and Senate) have been publicly shamed for abusing the Budget and taking unfair advantage of vulnerable taxpayers by trading protected individual rights for higher porkbarreling and decreased take home pay.

:D ;D

Title: Re: We Can No Longer Ignore Taxpayer Exploitation
Post by Kat on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 8:30am

Get another horse, willya?

That one's dead.

Title: Re: We Can No Longer Ignore Taxpayer Exploitation
Post by Swagman on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 8:45am

Kat wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 8:30am:

Get another horse, willya?

That one's dead.

Not by the hair on my chinny chin chin....

Taxpayer abuse is much more prevalent than 'worker' abuse.

Title: Re: We Can No Longer Ignore Taxpayer Exploitation
Post by Redneck on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 8:55am

Swaggie just wants the wealth to improve from the oft quoted 1% of the population has more wealth than the other 99%

To be 0.5% of the population having more wealth than the other 99.5%

Much fairer eh Swag

(Before some d1ckhead races in and questions my figures, figures quoted are an example based on the USA I believe, but good old Oz wont be a lot different)

Ochlocracy, Ochlocracy, Ochlocracy, Oi, Oi, Oi! ;D

Title: Re: We Can No Longer Ignore Taxpayer Exploitation
Post by philperth2010 on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 8:58am

I agree Swag....John Howard and Peter Costello pork barrelling and introducing socialist policies like the baby bonus, CGT, Negative Gearing and subsidising private health insurance is the reason our budget is in structural deficit....The problem is no Government has the guts to take away what is now considered a right by the public....The tax take is not the problem it is where it is being wasted to buy votes for the major parties!!!

>:( >:( >:(

Title: Re: We Can No Longer Ignore Taxpayer Exploitation
Post by Swagman on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 9:12am

Redmond Neck wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 8:55am:

I didn't mention wealth Reddy......just tax.

But what individuals do with the money that they earn has FA to do with the State as long as it's legal anyway. If one chooses to work longer and harder and earn more brass, then one shouldn't be extorted by those lazy ones that choose not to, and prefer to pee their (or other people's) money up the wall.

You could have 2 individuals on exactly the same income for 50 years, one wastes all his cash whilst the other saves and accumulates wealth. At retirement, one has to continue to pay for the other idiot, and that other idiot will have the hide to whinge that he's not getting enough services and pension and vote accordingly with all the other majority idiots (that's an ochlocracy Reddy :D).

Title: Re: We Can No Longer Ignore Taxpayer Exploitation
Post by aquascoot on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 9:24am

I think the best option is to simply "trick your brain" and see the tax you pay as part of your "spirit of contribution".

i have seen a lot of guys who became successful through years of grinding it out and then they just lost the momentum.they were 'done with it".
Once you get into that narrative, once you become a cry baby or indulge in self pity, it flows through and contaminates everything you are trying to achieve.

most of them became a trainwreck from adopting this position.

laziness is destructive to those at the bottom, but laziness is even more destructive to those at the top.
It is an addiction. Once you get addicted to laziness, you are gone. i would rate addiction to laziness as the number 1 reason for successful people falling off the narrow road to success.

so with regards paying tax, we must do what we always do...

accept it, enjoy it and even become enthusiastic about it.

because , in work an in life, it matters nought what you get, all that matters is 'what you become".

humans can take on the characteristic of any animal.
i pay a lot of tax and i see myself as the noble wolf.
people in leech mode, i just see them as parasites .

they are going nowhere, where as i am powering ahead.

i look at how they live their lives and to be honest, i think its just retarded ;)

Title: Re: We Can No Longer Ignore Taxpayer Exploitation
Post by Swagman on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 9:34am

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 8:58am:

I don't disagree that the baby bonus is socialism Phil, but the structural deficit is a myth AND and CGT, Negative Gearing and subsidising private health insurance are just the return of stolen goods / shuffling deck chairs.

Title: Re: We Can No Longer Ignore Taxpayer Exploitation
Post by Redneck on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 9:47am

Swagman wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 9:12am:

Redmond Neck wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 8:55am:

Paying tax is a duty of a citizen in a civilised democracy like ours Swag.

Perhaps you should move to some impoverished African country with little or no rule of law and see how you go.

Title: Re: We Can No Longer Ignore Taxpayer Exploitation
Post by philperth2010 on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 9:52am

Swagman wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 9:34am:

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 8:58am:

Na....Allowing taxpayers to claw back all their taxes and subsidising the private sector is corporate welfare....Everyone has access to public health and education so the Government has a duty to provide these services to the taxpayer....The private sector should not receive taxpayer wealthfare!!!

:-? :-? :-?

Title: Re: We Can No Longer Ignore Taxpayer Exploitation
Post by Squire on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 10:17am

Swagman wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 8:25am:

You'll feel better when you sober up from over-taxed beer.

Title: Re: We Can No Longer Ignore Taxpayer Exploitation
Post by Swagman on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 10:20am

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 9:52am:

Everyone has access to public health and education

As they do to public transport but public transport fares aren't geared to one's income (concessions aside).

Full fare is full fare whether you're on $20K or $500K PA

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 9:52am:

Allowing taxpayers to claw back all their taxes and subsidising the private sector is corporate welfare

The private sector doesn't. It pays justabout all the tax so rebates are just a smidgen return of their stolen rewards.

How much tax does the public sector pay? ZERO.

If someone pays $20K in income tax and gets a $500 private health insurance rebate they still pay $19.5K in tax, that's hardly "clawing back all their taxes"?

The rebate is an incentive to pay into a private fund that IS subsidising the public health system and SAVING the taxpayer money.

Title: Re: We Can No Longer Ignore Taxpayer Exploitation
Post by Team Froggie on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 10:46am

Kat wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 8:30am:

Get another horse, willya?

That one's dead.

Like a zombie, swaggy keeps raising this poor animal from the dead.

What about the amount of our taxes that go to propping up all the multi-nationals???

Title: Re: We Can No Longer Ignore Taxpayer Exploitation
Post by stunspore on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 12:58pm

yeh Swag is, and always, misguided on this one.

Does not really know the meaning of exploitation.

Title: Re: We Can No Longer Ignore Taxpayer Exploitation
Post by Swagman on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 1:10pm

Lobo wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 10:46am:

Kat wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 8:30am:

Get another horse, willya?

That one's dead.

Like a zombie, swaggy keeps raising this poor animal from the dead.

What about the amount of our taxes that go to propping up all the multi-nationals???

You Pinkos are the ones that resurrect the politics of envy whinge at every occasion.....I just counter it :D

Title: Re: We Can No Longer Ignore Taxpayer Exploitation
Post by longweekend58 on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 3:37pm

Kat wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 8:30am:

Get another horse, willya?

That one's dead.

so says the dole-bludger

Title: Re: We Can No Longer Ignore Taxpayer Exploitation
Post by longweekend58 on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 3:39pm

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 8:58am:

and ironically, CGT, negative gearing and baby bonus are LABOR polices.

Title: Re: We Can No Longer Ignore Taxpayer Exploitation
Post by philperth2010 on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 9:00pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 3:39pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 8:58am:

and ironically, CGT, negative gearing and baby bonus are LABOR polices.

It is explained in the link Longy!!!

Quote:

Peter Costello's five most 'profligate' decisions as treasurer cost the budget $56bn a year

http://www.tai.org.au/content/peter-costellos-five-most-profligate-decisions-treasurer-cost-budget-56bn-year

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/the-babybonus-blues-howards-little-sweetener-finally-goes-sour-20130519-2juw1.html

::) ::) ::)

Title: Re: We Can No Longer Ignore Taxpayer Exploitation
Post by longweekend58 on Jul 28^th, 2016 at 4:27pm

Redmond Neck wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 9:47am:

Swagman wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 9:12am:

Redmond Neck wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 8:55am:

Paying tax is a duty of a citizen in a civilised democracy like ours Swag.

Perhaps you should move to some impoverished African country with little or no rule of law and see how you go.

Then why do so many people in this country pay no effective tax if it is a duty?

Title: Re: We Can No Longer Ignore Taxpayer Exploitation
Post by longweekend58 on Jul 28^th, 2016 at 4:29pm

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 9:00pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 3:39pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 8:58am:

and ironically, CGT, negative gearing and baby bonus are LABOR polices.

It is explained in the link Longy!!!

Quote:

Peter Costello's five most 'profligate' decisions as treasurer cost the budget $56bn a year

always good to read the nonsense about how everything is Howard/Costello's fault and yet somehow the fact that Labor in 6 years almost DOUBLE expenditure apparently has nothing to do with it.

Title: Re: We Can No Longer Ignore Taxpayer Exploitation
Post by stunspore on Jul 28^th, 2016 at 5:12pm

[/quote]

always good to read the nonsense about how everything is Howard/Costello's fault and yet somehow the fact that Labor in 6 years almost DOUBLE expenditure apparently has nothing to do with it.[/quote]

always good to read the nonsense about how everything is Rudd/Wayne's fault and yet somehow the fact that Lib in 3 years almost DOUBLE expenditure/deficit apparently has nothing to do with it.

Title: Re: We Can No Longer Ignore Taxpayer Exploitation
Post by Kat on Jul 28^th, 2016 at 7:35pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 3:37pm:

Kat wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 8:30am:

Get another horse, willya?

That one's dead.

so says the dole-bludger

POAD, dropkick.

Title: Re: We Can No Longer Ignore Taxpayer Exploitation
Post by The Grappler on Jul 29^th, 2016 at 12:51am

Yes - those of us at the bottom end of the economic scale are sick and tired of paying 100% of our incomes back into the economy via taxation. Every time we buy something we pay tax, and every time we buy something, our fund of dollars is shorter by tens of percent.... then we spend some more for the same result....

What I'd give for one day of hanging on the end of that high income cliff and only keeping 55% after deductions .... good for the back that is!

Title: Re: We Can No Longer Ignore Taxpayer Exploitation
Post by aquascoot on Jul 29^th, 2016 at 6:58am

Those doing well, need to recognise that welfare and income redistribution work in their favour, but not for the reasons you think.

If everyone had to grind it out and get on the narrow road to success, then that road would get pretty congested.

Our welfare system, basicly allows people to survive with a leeching and parasitic frame of mind.
they will never do more then just cope and they will lead a very mediocre life.

i suppose , one could say, that welfare is the consolation prize for having a mediocre personal philosophy.
But , the sad thing is, that this frame of thinking will then pervade the other aspects of their lives. their relationships with family, friends, children, the environment will all be about "me and getting my needs met"

Never accept a dollar you didnt earn.
If you do, you are compromising your core beliefs. the welfare dollar, the free meal, the easy weight loss pill, porn instead of finding a great girlfriend, sugar instead of eating great green vegetables.....every time you take the easy route in life, you are just sewing the seeds for your own personal disaster.

Title: Re: We Can No Longer Ignore Taxpayer Exploitation
Post by stunspore on Jul 29^th, 2016 at 7:13am

Nonsense on exploitation.

Title: Re: We Can No Longer Ignore Taxpayer Exploitation
Post by Swagman on Jul 29^th, 2016 at 8:10am

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jul 29^th, 2016 at 12:51am:

Check your maths. 10% is not 100% :D ;D

Title: Re: We Can No Longer Ignore Taxpayer Exploitation
Post by The Grappler on Jul 29^th, 2016 at 10:51pm

Swagman wrote on Jul 29^th, 2016 at 8:10am:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jul 29^th, 2016 at 12:51am:

Check your maths. 10% is not 100% :D ;D

You stuck on income tax again - have you not yet learnt The Grappler School of Economics Principle of The Taxation Cycle?

Title: Re: We Can No Longer Ignore Taxpayer Exploitation
Post by The_Barnacle on Jul 30^th, 2016 at 12:17pm

Swagman wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 8:25am:

It's a sad indictment of our flawed democracy (ochlocracy) that the majority at the ballot box that pay the minority of tax exploit the minority at the ballot box that pay the majority of tax.

Rather than constantly whinging and whining why don't you offer a solution.

Are you saying that peoples vote should be weighted according to how much tax they pay?

Since income tax is less than half the total tax revenue perhaps companies should also be given a vote which is weighted according to the amount of tax they pay.

Would that be a good society to live in?