At least two reports now that a priest's throat has been cut.
Police have killed two hostage takers.

Reuters is confirming the priest story via French media.

Bogarde - you're too slow:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1469523771

A terrible event, and I feel for the family of that poor dead priest.

However, what sort of God would let a priest be killed in such a horrific manner, in a Church?

Surely this makes people question their faith   :-/

Sorry Bobby, isn't this the designated place for the story?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 7:57pm:

A terrible event, and I feel for the family of that poor dead priest. However, what sort of God would let a priest be killed in such a horrific manner, in a Church? Surely this makes people question their faith   :-/

If there is a god Greg, it doesn't determine what people do. People do that themselves.

bogarde73 wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 7:58pm:

Sorry Bobby, isn't this the designated place for the story?

You have a point.

http://i.imgur.com/RHCnH9p.jpg

Makes me question whether we should accept Muslimish immigrants.

bogarde73 wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 8:00pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 7:57pm: A terrible event, and I feel for the family of that poor dead priest. However, what sort of God would let a priest be killed in such a horrific manner, in a Church? Surely this makes people question their faith   :-/ If there is a god Greg, it doesn't determine what people do. People do that themselves.

Is there a God? I don't know.

Whenever I ask someone of faith to define God, they run for the hills.

My point is, how can someone continue to have have "faith" when something like this happens?

A priest, doing the work of "God", violently killed in his own place of worship.

We could ask Thomas a Becket for his opinion.

This could make Le Pen the next President.

I blame Islam.

Gordon wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 8:03pm:

Makes me question whether we should accept Muslimish immigrants.

I like many others know we should ban islam

A priest has been butchered by knifemen who cut his throat after bursting into a French church and taking hostages before being shot dead by police.

Five people including the priest, two nuns and two parishioners were held by assailants who raided the church in Saint-Etienne-du-Rouvray, near the city of Rouen in Normandy at 9am.

The clergyman was knifed to death during the attack while another hostage is fighting for their life in hosptial. The two attackers have been 'neutralised' by elite marksmen in a dramatic police operation.

At least one of the men was dressed in Islamic clothing, according to French media reports, and an anti-terrorist unit has already taken up the investigation.


link

Bobby. wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 8:07pm:

I blame Islam.

Shifting the blame, once again.

Breitbart seems to get details ahead of other media.
They report the priest was beheaded and the attackers shouted Islamic slogans.

Yes, I've heard rumours of the "cut throat" being more of a beheading. 

I would say there's trouble-a-brewin' but I've been sayin that for years, and with all the poo thats been going down lately, anything could be the straw that broke the camels back.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 8:09pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:07pm: I blame Islam. Shifting the blame, once again.

Greggy,

When we find out that they were Islamic radicals -

will you apologise to all the readers?

92 year old priest.

BREAKING NEWS: 92-year-old priest is killed by two 'Islamic' knifemen who slit his throat after taking nuns and worshippers hostage at French church before police shoot them both dead

I'd say the consequences are more important than anything else.
IF this is all true - I doubt they would be able to sanitise it - there will be enormous consequences.
There may be vigilante retribution and the political fallout in France and possibly Germany may be a bigshock.

We're told the best defense against terrorist is using moderate Muslims.

So here's a plan.

Every time there's a terrorist killing France/Germany  deports1000 random muslims.

Watch how quickly the attacks stop.

Gordon wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 8:27pm:

We're told the best defense against terrorist is using moderate Muslims. So here's a plan. Every time there's a terrorist killing France/Germany  deports1000 random muslims. Watch how quickly the attacks stop.

"stop"?

That would guarantee an escalation in attacks.

Gordon wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 8:27pm:

We're told the best defense against terrorist is using moderate Muslims. So here's a plan. Every time there's a terrorist killing France/Germany  deports1000 random muslims. Watch how quickly the attacks stop.

They could also deport the leftists who want to import more muslims, that should silence the useful idiots who inflicted this garbage on us in the name of cultural enrichment.

The Lyrics in this song are accurate-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVk8OA1Fk_A

Gordon wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 8:27pm:

We're told the best defense against terrorist is using moderate Muslims. So here's a plan. Every time there's a terrorist killing France/Germany  deports1000 random muslims. Watch how quickly the attacks stop.

use them as road fill

Bobby. wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 8:19pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:09pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:07pm: I blame Islam. Shifting the blame, once again. Greggy, When we find out that they were Islamic radicals - will you apologise to all the readers?

I condemn the killers unreservedly.

Stop making excuses for them Booby.

You're an apologist.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 8:36pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:27pm: We're told the best defense against terrorist is using moderate Muslims. So here's a plan. Every time there's a terrorist killing France/Germany  deports1000 random muslims. Watch how quickly the attacks stop. "stop"? That would guarantee an escalation in attacks.

flowers and songs do not work

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 8:36pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:27pm: We're told the best defense against terrorist is using moderate Muslims. So here's a plan. Every time there's a terrorist killing France/Germany  deports1000 random muslims. Watch how quickly the attacks stop. "stop"? That would guarantee an escalation in attacks.

Nope. It would make the moderated muslims root out the bad one

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 8:38pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:36pm: Gordon wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:27pm: We're told the best defense against terrorist is using moderate Muslims. So here's a plan. Every time there's a terrorist killing France/Germany  deports1000 random muslims. Watch how quickly the attacks stop. "stop"? That would guarantee an escalation in attacks. flowers and songs do not work

Refresh my memory, Sprint: who suggested flowers and songs?

Plain and simple garden variety scum bag murdering arseholes.

Gordon wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 8:38pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:36pm: Gordon wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:27pm: We're told the best defense against terrorist is using moderate Muslims. So here's a plan. Every time there's a terrorist killing France/Germany  deports1000 random muslims. Watch how quickly the attacks stop. "stop"? That would guarantee an escalation in attacks. Nope.

Yes.

It would guarantee more attacks, and more deaths.

As usual, you're part of the problem.

Aussie wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 8:39pm:

Plain and simple garden variety scum bag murdering arseholes.

With a masterplan

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 8:40pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:38pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:36pm: Gordon wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:27pm: We're told the best defense against terrorist is using moderate Muslims. So here's a plan. Every time there's a terrorist killing France/Germany  deports1000 random muslims. Watch how quickly the attacks stop. "stop"? That would guarantee an escalation in attacks. Nope. Yes. It would guarantee more attacks, and more deaths. As usual, you're part of the problem.

I just want the killings to stop.

If there is the most tenuous link to Islam in this.....it may be a flash point.  I would be staying well away from Mosques for a while if I were in France.

Gordon wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 8:41pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:40pm: Gordon wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:38pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:36pm: Gordon wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:27pm: We're told the best defense against terrorist is using moderate Muslims. So here's a plan. Every time there's a terrorist killing France/Germany  deports1000 random muslims. Watch how quickly the attacks stop. "stop"? That would guarantee an escalation in attacks. Nope. Yes. It would guarantee more attacks, and more deaths. As usual, you're part of the problem. I just want the killings to stop.

We all do.

Deporting random Muslims would guarantee more attacks.

Even Booby can understand this.

Aussie wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 8:42pm:

If there is the most tenuous link to Islam in this.....it may be a flash point.  I would be staying well away from Mosques for a while if I were in France.

Indeed.

As I said before, this will not end well.

Aussie wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 8:42pm:

If there is the most tenuous link to Islam in this.....it may be a flash point.  I would be staying well away from Mosques for a while if I were in France.

Look  REALLY hard, Mr Aussie.

I think you'll find a trail of bread crumbs back to Allah

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 8:39pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:38pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:36pm: Gordon wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:27pm: We're told the best defense against terrorist is using moderate Muslims. So here's a plan. Every time there's a terrorist killing France/Germany  deports1000 random muslims. Watch how quickly the attacks stop. "stop"? That would guarantee an escalation in attacks. flowers and songs do not work Refresh my memory, Sprint: who suggested flowers and songs?

is what has been used so far

oh, that and giving muslims food, housing, money, health care .............

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 8:45pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:39pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:38pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:36pm: Gordon wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:27pm: We're told the best defense against terrorist is using moderate Muslims. So here's a plan. Every time there's a terrorist killing France/Germany  deports1000 random muslims. Watch how quickly the attacks stop. "stop"? That would guarantee an escalation in attacks. flowers and songs do not work Refresh my memory, Sprint: who suggested flowers and songs? is what has been used so far .

No, it isn't.

Why are you being so ridiculous?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 8:44pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:42pm: If there is the most tenuous link to Islam in this.....it may be a flash point.  I would be staying well away from Mosques for a while if I were in France. Indeed. As I said before, this will not end well.

nothing ends well when any muslim is involved anywhere

Gordon wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 8:45pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:42pm: If there is the most tenuous link to Islam in this.....it may be a flash point.  I would be staying well away from Mosques for a while if I were in France. Look  REALLY hard, Mr Aussie. I think you'll find a trail of bread crumbs back to Allah

The lefties will insist the muslims worship the exact same god as the Christians.
quran.com/5/51

This verse has Allah the most merciful of those who show mercy saying fight the Christians and jews who are the people who pay the jizya.
quran.com/9/29

These muslims are just following their religion

this won't end well ....

I wonder how long before a mosque is now targeted. I'll give it two weeks MAXIMUM.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 8:48pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:44pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:42pm: If there is the most tenuous link to Islam in this.....it may be a flash point.  I would be staying well away from Mosques for a while if I were in France. Indeed. As I said before, this will not end well. nothing ends well when any muslim is involved anywhere

Nothing ends well when people are consumed by irrational fear and hatred.

You're part of the problem.

John Smith wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 8:51pm:

this won't end well .... I wonder how long before a mosque is now targeted. I'll give it two weeks MAXIMUM.

Sprint and Hammer and putting their heads together, as we speak (type).

John Smith wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 8:51pm:

this won't end well .... I wonder how long before a mosque is now targeted. I'll give it two weeks MAXIMUM.

That's what you're worried about?

A mosque being targetted?

John Smith wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 8:51pm:

this won't end well .... I wonder how long before a mosque is now targeted. I'll give it two weeks MAXIMUM.

Typical morally bankrupt leftist, while innocent people are being slaughtered by devout muslims all they care about is muslims and their places of worship.

... wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 8:52pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:51pm: this won't end well .... I wonder how long before a mosque is now targeted. I'll give it two weeks MAXIMUM. That's what you're worried about? A mosque being targetted?

yeah honky  .. that must be it  :D :D

... wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 8:52pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:51pm: this won't end well .... I wonder how long before a mosque is now targeted. I'll give it two weeks MAXIMUM. That's what you're worried about? A mosque being targetted?

How do you think the radicalised youths will react to an attack on a Mosque, Honks?

Think about it.

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 8:53pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:51pm: this won't end well .... I wonder how long before a mosque is now targeted. I'll give it two weeks MAXIMUM. Typical morally bankrupt leftist, while innocent people are being slaughtered by devout muslims all they care about is muslims and their places of worship.

Your shortsightedness is disappointing, but not surprising.

You have a lot to learn, grasshopper.

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 8:53pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:51pm: this won't end well .... I wonder how long before a mosque is now targeted. I'll give it two weeks MAXIMUM. Typical morally bankrupt leftist, while innocent people are being slaughtered by devout muslims all they care about is muslims and their places of worship.

typically ignorant uneducated moronic Islamaphobes .... they struggle so much to understand a simple statement

Did I say I was worried about the mosque you turkey?

John Smith wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 8:53pm:

... wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:52pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:51pm: this won't end well .... I wonder how long before a mosque is now targeted. I'll give it two weeks MAXIMUM. That's what you're worried about? A mosque being targetted? yeah honky  .. that must be it  :D :D

You said it.

... wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 8:55pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:53pm: ... wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:52pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:51pm: this won't end well .... I wonder how long before a mosque is now targeted. I'll give it two weeks MAXIMUM. That's what you're worried about? A mosque being targetted? yeah honky  .. that must be it  :D :D You said it.

did I? show me where?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 8:53pm:

... wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:52pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:51pm: this won't end well .... I wonder how long before a mosque is now targeted. I'll give it two weeks MAXIMUM. That's what you're worried about? A mosque being targetted? How do you think the radicalised youths will react to an attack on a Mosque, Honks? Think about it.

The situation cannot be defused.

Decades of leftist idiocy cannot be undone without paying a terrible cost.

John Smith wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 8:56pm:

... wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:55pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:53pm: ... wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:52pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:51pm: this won't end well .... I wonder how long before a mosque is now targeted. I'll give it two weeks MAXIMUM. That's what you're worried about? A mosque being targetted? yeah honky  .. that must be it  :D :D You said it. did I? show me where?

What are you talking about?  I quoted it you retard.

John Smith wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 8:54pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:53pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:51pm: this won't end well .... I wonder how long before a mosque is now targeted. I'll give it two weeks MAXIMUM. Typical morally bankrupt leftist, while innocent people are being slaughtered by devout muslims all they care about is muslims and their places of worship. typically ignorant uneducated moronic Islamaphobes .... they struggle so much to understand a simple statement Did I say I was worried about the mosque you turkey?

Typical morally bankrupt leftist using slurs like Islamophobe to defend Islam while muslims are butchering innocent people in the name of their allah.

John Smith wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 8:51pm:

this won't end well .... I wonder how long before a mosque is now targeted. I'll give it two weeks MAXIMUM.

After all what's happened in France there has been no major revenge attack.  Says a lots about the patience of the French.

... wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 8:58pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:56pm: ... wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:55pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:53pm: ... wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:52pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:51pm: this won't end well .... I wonder how long before a mosque is now targeted. I'll give it two weeks MAXIMUM. That's what you're worried about? A mosque being targetted? yeah honky  .. that must be it  :D :D You said it. did I? show me where? What are you talking about?  I quoted it you retard.

what you quoted does not say what you said I said.

John Smith wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 8:54pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:53pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:51pm: this won't end well .... I wonder how long before a mosque is now targeted. I'll give it two weeks MAXIMUM. Typical morally bankrupt leftist, while innocent people are being slaughtered by devout muslims all they care about is muslims and their places of worship. typically ignorant uneducated moronic Islamaphobes .... they struggle so much to understand a simple statement Did I say I was worried about the mosque you turkey?

Islamophobia
ɪzˌlaməˈfəʊbɪə/
noun
dislike of or prejudice against Islam or Muslims, especially as a political force.

Gordon wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 9:02pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:51pm: this won't end well .... I wonder how long before a mosque is now targeted. I'll give it two weeks MAXIMUM. After all what's happened in France there has been no major revenge attack.  Says a lots about the patience of the French.

Yes.

Your point?

Gordon wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 8:27pm:

We're told the best defense against terrorist is using moderate Muslims. So here's a plan. Every time there's a terrorist killing France/Germany  deports1000 random muslims. Watch how quickly the attacks stop.

I love it.

It's a version of how the Germans slowed down the partisans by executing the local villagers.

And you're right ... I'll bet in every case that these Muslims have gone troppo, they were known by their local Muslim community to be loose cannons with very real potential for committing violent jihad.

Every Muslim on a government Watch List should be rounded up and transferred to an Internment camp.

Oh Ffs what is it with you people?

It says what it says.  I understand you probably didn't mean for it to be as stupid as it sounded, but it did. 

You can correct it, or you can be a buggerwit, it's your choice.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 8:37pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:19pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:09pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:07pm: I blame Islam. Shifting the blame, once again. Greggy, When we find out that they were Islamic radicals - will you apologise to all the readers? I condemn the killers unreservedly. Stop making excuses for them sir Bobby. You're an apologist.

Greggy,

You're the one apologising for Islam - not me -

you hypocrite!

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 8:53pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:51pm: this won't end well .... I wonder how long before a mosque is now targeted. I'll give it two weeks MAXIMUM. Typical morally bankrupt leftist, while innocent people are being slaughtered by devout muslims all they care about is muslims and their places of worship.

BUMP

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 8:58pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:54pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:53pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:51pm: this won't end well .... I wonder how long before a mosque is now targeted. I'll give it two weeks MAXIMUM. Typical morally bankrupt leftist, while innocent people are being slaughtered by devout muslims all they care about is muslims and their places of worship. typically ignorant uneducated moronic Islamaphobes .... they struggle so much to understand a simple statement Did I say I was worried about the mosque you turkey? Typical morally bankrupt leftist using slurs like Islamophobe to defend Islam while muslims are butchering innocent people in the name of their allah.

You probably shouldn't call anyone morally bankrupt when you've proven time and time again you don't even know what it means

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 9:03pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 9:02pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:51pm: this won't end well .... I wonder how long before a mosque is now targeted. I'll give it two weeks MAXIMUM. After all what's happened in France there has been no major revenge attack.  Says a lots about the patience of the French. Yes. Your point?

How many punches in the facewould you take before you defended yourself?

Gordon wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 9:07pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 9:03pm: Gordon wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 9:02pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:51pm: this won't end well .... I wonder how long before a mosque is now targeted. I'll give it two weeks MAXIMUM. After all what's happened in France there has been no major revenge attack.  Says a lots about the patience of the French. Yes. Your point? How many punches in the facewould you take before you defended yourself?

You're not talking about defense, you're talking about reprisal.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 9:04pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:27pm: We're told the best defense against terrorist is using moderate Muslims. So here's a plan. Every time there's a terrorist killing France/Germany  deports1000 random muslims. Watch how quickly the attacks stop. I love it. It's a version of how the Germans slowed down the partisans by executing the local villagers. And you're right ... I'll bet in every case that these Muslims have gone troppo, they were known by their local Muslim community to be loose cannons with very real potential for committing violent jihad. Every Muslim on a government Watch List should be rounded up and transferred to an Internment camp.

I'm a big fan of carrot and stick

... wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 9:05pm:

Oh Ffs what is it with you people? It says what it says.  I understand you probably didn't mean for it to be as stupid as it sounded, but it did.  You can correct it, or you can be a buggerwit, it's your choice.

I know what it says, what it doesn't say is what you said it says. Don't let your fear of mulsims turn you into a lying turd like baron now Honky ...

Gordon wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 9:02pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:51pm: this won't end well .... I wonder how long before a mosque is now targeted. I'll give it two weeks MAXIMUM. After all what's happened in France there has been no major revenge attack.  Says a lots about the patience of the French.

it does ... history has proven that there is no greater motivator than religion

Gordon wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 9:07pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 9:03pm: Gordon wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 9:02pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:51pm: this won't end well .... I wonder how long before a mosque is now targeted. I'll give it two weeks MAXIMUM. After all what's happened in France there has been no major revenge attack.  Says a lots about the patience of the French. Yes. Your point? How many punches in the facewould you take before you defended yourself?

What's your point?

Gordon wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 9:09pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 9:04pm: Gordon wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:27pm: We're told the best defense against terrorist is using moderate Muslims. So here's a plan. Every time there's a terrorist killing France/Germany  deports1000 random muslims. Watch how quickly the attacks stop. I love it. It's a version of how the Germans slowed down the partisans by executing the local villagers. And you're right ... I'll bet in every case that these Muslims have gone troppo, they were known by their local Muslim community to be loose cannons with very real potential for committing violent jihad. Every Muslim on a government Watch List should be rounded up and transferred to an Internment camp. I'm a big fan of carrot and stick

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/12/d5/92/12d59296c8c028207fee5a1310500726.jpg

John Smith wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 9:07pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:58pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:54pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:53pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:51pm: this won't end well .... I wonder how long before a mosque is now targeted. I'll give it two weeks MAXIMUM. Typical morally bankrupt leftist, while innocent people are being slaughtered by devout muslims all they care about is muslims and their places of worship. typically ignorant uneducated moronic Islamaphobes .... they struggle so much to understand a simple statement Did I say I was worried about the mosque you turkey? Typical morally bankrupt leftist using slurs like Islamophobe to defend Islam while muslims are butchering innocent people in the name of their allah. You probably shouldn't call anyone morally bankrupt when you've proven time and time again you don't even know what it means

Yes you're morally bankrupt perhaps you should read the Quran and the Sunnah along with a biography of $Profit Mo to see exactly what you're defending.

The book of Jihad is worth reading to understand Islam, why do leftards defend something they are totally ignorant of?
islamfuture.wordpress.com/2009/08/29/mashari-al-ashwaq-ila-masari-al-ushaaq

Well I guess that's it then, history is going to repeat itself even though both sides of politics have tried their best to stop it...Islam is trying to push itself West again and Europe, as in the past will repel it and send it back to where it came from. Whoever was stupid enough to think the Crusades was anything more than the West defending itself should read the truth here:

The Jihad That Led to the Crusades

   http://pamelageller.com/2015/02/memo-to-president-obama-the-jihad-that-lead-to-the-crusades.html/

The threat of Islam

Misconceptions about the Crusades are all too common. The Crusades are generally portrayed as a series of holy wars against Islam led by power-mad popes and fought by religious fanatics. They are supposed to have been the epitome of self-righteousness and intolerance, a black stain on the history of the Catholic Church in particular and Western civilization in general. A breed of proto-imperialists, the Crusaders introduced Western aggression to the peaceful Middle East and then deformed the enlightened Muslim culture, leaving it in ruins. For variations on this theme, one need not look far. See, for example, Steven Runciman's famous three-volume epic, History of the Crusades, or the BBC/A&E documentary, The Crusades, hosted by Terry Jones. Both are terrible history yet wonderfully entertaining.

So what is the truth about the Crusades? Scholars are still working some of that out. But much can already be said with certainty. For starters, the Crusades to the East were in every way defensive wars. They were a direct response to Muslim aggression—an attempt to turn back or defend against Muslim conquests of Christian lands.

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2005/mayweb-only/52.0.html

And so it goes on...but unless we face the truth and realise that, no matter what side of politics you are on, that THIS IS JUST NOT ABOUT POLITICS...It's about bloody survival..and as soon as both sides get this and put aside their stupid politics then...we just might keep this bloody World alive...FFS!

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 9:03pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 9:02pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:51pm: this won't end well .... I wonder how long before a mosque is now targeted. I'll give it two weeks MAXIMUM. After all what's happened in France there has been no major revenge attack.  Says a lots about the patience of the French. Yes. Your point?

Quote:

..............Says a lots about the patience of the French. ......

how stupid is that ?

Gordon wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 9:07pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 9:03pm: Gordon wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 9:02pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:51pm: this won't end well .... I wonder how long before a mosque is now targeted. I'll give it two weeks MAXIMUM. After all what's happened in France there has been no major revenge attack.  Says a lots about the patience of the French. Yes. Your point? How many punches in the facewould you take before you defended yourself?

he would be busy crying or offering them flowers and poems

Aussie wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 8:42pm:

If there is the most tenuous link to Islam in this.....it may be a flash point.  I would be staying well away from Mosques for a while if I were in France.

Here's your tenuous link back to Islam.

Kermiche and his accomplice - also known to French police - forced 84-year-old Father Jacques Hamel to kneel before filming themselves butchering him and performing a 'sermon in Arabic' at the altar of the church in Saint-Etienne-du-Rouvray, according to witnesses.

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There revered BBC is carrying this story at the top of the page. Seems they think it is important. But no mention of the fact that this is another MUZLIM atrocity. That kind of omission is consistent with their overall appeasement of Islam, and shows how close Islam in the West is to shutting down any criticism of the wonderful religion and its tactics spelled out in the Koran.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 7:57pm:

A terrible event, and I feel for the family of that poor dead priest. However, what sort of God would let a priest be killed in such a horrific manner, in a Church? Surely this makes people question their faith   :-/

This looks like another one of Svengalis reincarnations.

French President plays the Muslim card:

Link.

All we need now is for one of our right wing extreme nut jobs to attack a Mosque or worse, an Imam.

Aussie wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 8:01am:

French President plays the Muslim card: Link. All we need now is for one of our right wing extreme nut jobs to attack a Mosque or worse, an Imam.

I'm keeping a close eye on Sprint and Hammer.

But we know it's usually the ones that are not being watched.

bogarde73 wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 8:27am:

But we know it's usually the ones that are not being watched.

In which case, I'm doing the community a great service.

If I stopped watching them ...

Aussie wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 8:01am:

French President plays the Muslim card: Link. All we need now is for one of our right wing extreme nut jobs to attack a Mosque or worse, an Imam.

If Hollande said the perp was a Muzlim, I might agree with you. But he doesn't. He infers that IS is the problem. They are only part of it. The inspiration of IS is the problem. Its all in the Koran.

ISLAMIC law, and the Koran itself,          ....repeatedly assert, that the [obedient] moslem,     whenever he has the means and power to do so,     will not passively permit and allow, other persons,       .....to worship a God, who is not called 'Allah'.

Google;
jihad is the pinnacle of islam



QUESTION;
Australia!!!!
Why would we choose to afford a group of people [i.e. moslems] a general protection in law [e.g. Constitution, section 116],      ....simply because that group of people [i.e. moslems] assert and insist that they are members of a 'religious group', and therefore they must be afforded all protections in law, that are normally afforded to members of a religious group ???


QUESTION;
Why, afford followers of ISLAM, a special protection in law,    ....when many of the protocols of that 'religion' [ISLAM], call for their followers to engage criminal violence against anyone who does not believe, as they believe ?


Affording such a protection [in law], to a group of people who follow a philosophy like ISLAM,        .....is insanity, imo !!!



Quote:

Every moslem in Australia [and indeed, every moslem on the planet], by self declaring as a moslem, is self declaring a criminal intent [by our laws] against local non-moslems.

- Yadda




"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...."
Koran 3.85


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111


"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4



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CRIMINAL INTENT, IN THE MOSLEM HEART
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1252898491/0#0

Quote:

Every moslem in Australia [and indeed, every moslem on the planet], by self declaring as a moslem, is self declaring a criminal intent [by our laws] against local non-moslems. ISLAM is a criminal compact among moslems, to wage a violent 'religious' war against non-moslems ['disbelievers']. .....Basically, fundamentally, all ISLAMIC doctrine translates as enmity, and encourages [criminal] violence, towards ALL non-moslems.

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1

Quote:

"every moslem in Australia is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac" - Yadda QUESTION; What about the innocent moslems ? IMO, [logically] there are no innocent moslems [among persons who have come to the age of consent], and yet still declare themselves to be moslems. How so [logically] ? QUESTION; How credible is it that a person who is devout enough to insist that he is a moslem, is unaware of what ISLAM promotes, and is unaware of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are ? QUESTION; How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'],      ...to a philosophy which transforms human beings, into homicidal maniacs ? QUESTION; How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'],     ...to a philosophy which claims that murdering, in the cause of religious bigotry, is a religious virtue ?

Aussie wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 8:01am:

French President plays the Muslim card: Link.

No he's not. Islamic group IS has claimed responsibility.

Are you sitting there on your lazy barge @rse seriously suggesting that no one ought to mention Muslim now????

Go drive a cab! Nong!

issuevoter wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 7:54am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 7:57pm: A terrible event, and I feel for the family of that poor dead priest. However, what sort of God would let a priest be killed in such a horrific manner, in a Church? Surely this makes people question their faith   :-/ This looks like another one of Svengalis reincarnations.

Makes you wonder hey.

Totally insane and not ontopic.

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 9:50am:

issuevoter wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 7:54am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 7:57pm: A terrible event, and I feel for the family of that poor dead priest. However, what sort of God would let a priest be killed in such a horrific manner, in a Church? Surely this makes people question their faith   :-/ This looks like another one of Svengalis reincarnations. Makes you wonder hey. Totally insane and not ontopic.

"not ontopic" ?

;D

I think you're in the wrong thread, darling.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 10:06am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 9:50am: issuevoter wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 7:54am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 7:57pm: A terrible event, and I feel for the family of that poor dead priest. However, what sort of God would let a priest be killed in such a horrific manner, in a Church? Surely this makes people question their faith   :-/ This looks like another one of Svengalis reincarnations. Makes you wonder hey. Totally insane and not ontopic. "not ontopic" ? ;D I think you're in the wrong thread, darling.

You better not be that multi troll nutter Svengali.

I'VE GOT BOTH MY EYES ON YOU!

And they're not happy eyes either!

>:(

Yadda, "Why afford protection etc etc"?
Good question.

Probably two answers.

First we had "Enlightenent" which engendered the progression of liberal philosophy, including the principle of tolerance.

Second, The Enlightenment, funnily enough, was soon followed by several centuries of religious wars that left deep scars in the European tradition and reinforced again the wisdom of tolerance AMONG OURSELVES.

And now we are hung up on tolerance to the extent that it includes those who wish to kill us, as well as those who wish to undermine the foundations of a civilised society in many ways.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 10:06am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 9:50am: issuevoter wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 7:54am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 7:57pm: A terrible event, and I feel for the family of that poor dead priest. However, what sort of God would let a priest be killed in such a horrific manner, in a Church? Surely this makes people question their faith   :-/ This looks like another one of Svengalis reincarnations. Makes you wonder hey. Totally insane and not ontopic. "not ontopic" ? ;D I think you're in the wrong thread, darling.

It isn't breath. You went from a priest getting his throat slit to questioning the Christian faith. From relevant to irrelevant.

:(

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 10:35am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 10:06am: Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 9:50am: issuevoter wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 7:54am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 7:57pm: A terrible event, and I feel for the family of that poor dead priest. However, what sort of God would let a priest be killed in such a horrific manner, in a Church? Surely this makes people question their faith   :-/ This looks like another one of Svengalis reincarnations. Makes you wonder hey. Totally insane and not ontopic. "not ontopic" ? ;D I think you're in the wrong thread, darling. It isn't breath. You went from a priest getting his throat slit to questioning the Christian faith. From relevant to irrelevant.

When you introduce religion, it's relevant yet, when others introduce religion it isn't relevant?

Oh no my boy, it doesn't work that way.

You and your fellow Islamophobes are all about "apportioning blame", so I'll play your game.

How much blame do we apportion to God for letting this happen?

A priest, in a Church, FFS!

What was God doing when this poor bugger was having his throat slit - chasing Pokemon?

bogarde73 wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 10:33am:

Yadda, "Why afford protection etc etc"? Good question. Probably two answers. First we had "Enlightenent" which engendered the progression of liberal philosophy, including the principle of tolerance. Second, The Enlightenment, funnily enough, was soon followed by several centuries of religious wars that left deep scars in the European tradition and reinforced again the wisdom of tolerance AMONG OURSELVES. And now we are hung up on tolerance to the extent that it includes those who wish to kill us, as well as those who wish to undermine the foundations of a civilised society in many ways.

bogarde73,

I would still maintain that it is illogical,         .....and it is beyond belief that we [as a collective community] feel such a degree of servile timidity towards the possibility that we may offend anyone,           .....that we are now struck with a moral paralysis, regarding [among other things] the legal status of moslems [followers of ISLAM] in nations like Australia.

Moslems, unashamedly!!!,        .....are members of a formal community of people [the nation of ISLAM], a group whose laws, collectively sanctions and encourages, what are criminal actions and behaviour [by our laws].

And we are happy with this circumstance, and actually protect [in law!] this community of wanna-be criminals !!! ?

I am appalled.


Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1469526327/84#84

Quote:

QUESTION; Australia!!!! Why would we choose to afford a group of people [i.e. moslems] a general protection in law [e.g. Constitution, section 116],      ....simply because that group of people [i.e. moslems] assert and insist that they are members of a 'religious group', and therefore they must be afforded all protections in law, that are normally afforded to members of a religious group ??? QUESTION; Why, afford followers of ISLAM, a special protection in law,    ....when many of the protocols of that 'religion' [ISLAM], call for their followers to engage criminal violence against anyone who does not believe, as they believe ? Affording such a protection [in law], to a group of people who follow a philosophy like ISLAM,        .....is insanity, imo !!!

Aussie wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 8:01am:

French President plays the Muslim card: Link. All we need now is for one of our right wing extreme nut jobs to attack a Mosque or worse, an Imam.

And that's the real problem, isn't it.  ::)

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 10:44am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 10:35am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 10:06am: Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 9:50am: issuevoter wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 7:54am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 7:57pm: A terrible event, and I feel for the family of that poor dead priest. However, what sort of God would let a priest be killed in such a horrific manner, in a Church? Surely this makes people question their faith   :-/ This looks like another one of Svengalis reincarnations. Makes you wonder hey. Totally insane and not ontopic. "not ontopic" ? ;D I think you're in the wrong thread, darling. It isn't breath. You went from a priest getting his throat slit to questioning the Christian faith. From relevant to irrelevant. When you introduce religion, it's relevant yet, when others introduce religion it isn't relevant? Oh no my boy, it doesn't work that way. You and your fellow Islamophobes are all about "apportioning blame", so I'll play your game. How much blame do we apportion to God for letting this happen? A priest, in a Church, FFS! What was God doing when this poor bugger was having his throat slit - chasing Pokemon?

One could say god was trying to get these dumb honky cucks to wake up and repel the invaders.  A 92 year old priest is a small price to pay.

Gordon wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 9:02pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:51pm: this won't end well .... I wonder how long before a mosque is now targeted. I'll give it two weeks MAXIMUM. After all what's happened in France there has been no major revenge attack.  Says a lots about the patience of the French.

Patience or cowardice?
Anyway, you're right that no matter what these nutters do there's no revenge attacks. So what are the leftards carrying on about then?

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 11:20am:

Gordon wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 9:02pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:51pm: this won't end well .... I wonder how long before a mosque is now targeted. I'll give it two weeks MAXIMUM. After all what's happened in France there has been no major revenge attack.  Says a lots about the patience of the French. Patience or cowardice? Anyway, you're right that no matter what these nutters do there's no revenge attacks. So what are the leftards carrying on about then?

I would lile to know what the leftard-approved course of action is.  It seems to be one of endless appeasement and submission but itd be nice if they could commit to it, insead of hand wringing over potential (justified) revenge attacks that never materialize.  They hand-wring with the best of them, but arent so strong at taking action.

issuevoter wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 8:37am:

If Hollande said the perp was a Muzlim, I might agree with you. But he doesn't. He infers that IS is the problem. They are only part of it. The inspiration of IS is the problem. Its all in the Koran.

Hollande prefers to use the weasel-word "Daesh' rather than risk votes by using the 'I' word or the 'M' word.

"Daesh has declared war on us, we must fight this war by all means, while respecting the rule of law, what makes us a democracy," he told reporters at the scene".

You've got to laugh. Here's the president of a country under siege from a virulent form of Islam and yet he dare not say its name.

It's just so embarrassingly pathetic.

Needless to say, if Hollande was sincere in what he says about fighting this, then he would order that every Muslim on the Security Watch List should immediately be interned in detention camps until further notice.

Well it's all to the good. It might play into Le Pen's hands or at least to Sarkozy. And maybe he will do better next time around.

But I'm sure there are still some descendants of the sans culottes out there who will deliver a version of justice in coming weeks.

He needs to give up aspirations at keeping power.  Le pen has it, he cannot pull it back no matter what he does.  But if he doesnt accept this fact, there wont be a country left to govern by election time.

... wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 11:30am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 11:20am: Gordon wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 9:02pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 8:51pm: this won't end well .... I wonder how long before a mosque is now targeted. I'll give it two weeks MAXIMUM. After all what's happened in France there has been no major revenge attack.  Says a lots about the patience of the French. Patience or cowardice? Anyway, you're right that no matter what these nutters do there's no revenge attacks. So what are the leftards carrying on about then? I would lile to know what the leftard-approved course of action is.  It seems to be one of endless appeasement and submission but itd be nice if they could commit to it, insead of hand wringing over potential (justified) revenge attacks that never materialize.  They hand-wring with the best of them, but arent so strong at taking action.

Well, they don't really want this to end because they gain moral superiority every time some nutter kills people.

people like Le Pen really are gaining momentum and it is a classic feedback loop.

the more the islamists attack, the more the hardliners like Le Pen gain traction, leading to more division, leading to more incidents and so the cycle continues.

It would appear multiculturalism ( the brave new world policy of the left ) is in its death throes.
But the interesting fact is that Le Pen and Gert Wilders and Pauline and Donald did not kill it,

No, not at all.

It was or will be killed off by the islamists.(who are also the darlings of the left).

The left must be simpletons not to realise this.
And the more they try to hold these 2 opposite and untenable positions, the more these positions crumble.

in fact, ISIS and Le pen are in a symbiotic relationship,
Dark days for the left.
Stupidity will do this to you every time.
Unwinding 40 or 50 years of stupidity could take 40 or 50 years or it may actually disintegrate into a form of civil war.

the longer the leadership remain inactive against the weeds, the more they spread.
1 years weed= 7 years seed.
they have a massive clean up ahead of them and they should have started yesterday

The problem for france is that their armed forces are about as french as their soccer team,  so they cannot be trusted to do what must be done, as  their loyalties lie elsewhere.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 10:44am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 10:35am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 10:06am: Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 9:50am: issuevoter wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 7:54am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 7:57pm: A terrible event, and I feel for the family of that poor dead priest. However, what sort of God would let a priest be killed in such a horrific manner, in a Church? Surely this makes people question their faith   :-/ This looks like another one of Svengalis reincarnations. Makes you wonder hey. Totally insane and not ontopic. "not ontopic" ? ;D I think you're in the wrong thread, darling. It isn't breath. You went from a priest getting his throat slit to questioning the Christian faith. From relevant to irrelevant. When you introduce religion, it's relevant yet, when others introduce religion it isn't relevant? Oh no my boy, it doesn't work that way. You and your fellow Islamophobes are all about "apportioning blame", so I'll play your game. How much blame do we apportion to God for letting this happen? A priest, in a Church, FFS! What was God doing when this poor bugger was having his throat slit - chasing Pokemon?

For someone who pretends to be so knowledgeable, as well as claiming to have read the Bible, it is amazing that you think the death of a priest is going to cause people to lose faith.

What do you think happened to Peter? What do you think happened to Paul? What do you think was the fate of many of Jesus' followers in the early church? And speaking of Jesus, even God's own son was crucified.

I don't give a crap what you personally believe. I don't think you even know what you believe. The way you jump from one position to another from thread to thread on this forum shows that you have absolutely no grounding in anything. But it is amazing that you can be so ignorant of the history of Christianity to think that one victim of an evil worshipping killer is going to cause people to lose faith. 

One of the central messages at the foundation of Christianity is that people choose to do evil, and God will allow people to act on the evil in their heart until the day of judgement. This man who killed this priest did evil and will one day be judged for it. That's what Christianity holds to, so there is no need for a loss of faith.

Of course, had you ever read a history book and ever read the bible (like you claim to have) you would know this. But all you have ever read are Doctor Who books and STI pamphlets, as you are an  uneducated, unemployed, pervert, and nothing more.

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... wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 12:01pm:

The problem for france is that their armed forces are about as french as their soccer team,

;D ;D ;D


... wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 12:01pm:

so they cannot be trusted to do what must be done, as  their loyalties lie elsewhere.

All Hail to Multiculturalism, Diversity, and 'Difference'!

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 12:35pm:

... wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 12:01pm: The problem for france is that their armed forces are about as french as their soccer team,  ;D ;D ;D ... wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 12:01pm: so they cannot be trusted to do what must be done, as  their loyalties lie elsewhere. All Hail to Multiculturalism, Diversity, and 'Difference'!

I will, Herb, but I will not include Islam because it rejects those three, and will murder you if you do.

Quantum wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 12:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 10:44am: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 10:35am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 10:06am: Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 9:50am: issuevoter wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 7:54am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 7:57pm: A terrible event, and I feel for the family of that poor dead priest. However, what sort of God would let a priest be killed in such a horrific manner, in a Church? Surely this makes people question their faith   :-/ This looks like another one of Svengalis reincarnations. Makes you wonder hey. Totally insane and not ontopic. "not ontopic" ? ;D I think you're in the wrong thread, darling. It isn't breath. You went from a priest getting his throat slit to questioning the Christian faith. From relevant to irrelevant. When you introduce religion, it's relevant yet, when others introduce religion it isn't relevant? Oh no my boy, it doesn't work that way. You and your fellow Islamophobes are all about "apportioning blame", so I'll play your game. How much blame do we apportion to God for letting this happen? A priest, in a Church, FFS! What was God doing when this poor bugger was having his throat slit - chasing Pokemon? For someone who pretends to be so knowledgeable, as well as claiming to have read the Bible, it is amazing that you think the death of a priest is going to cause people to lose faith.

Of course it won't cause them to lose faith: they're mainly a bunch of brainwashed idiots.

I'm just exposing some of that idiocy.

Their "God" allowed a murderer to cut the throat of a priest, while he was in a church. In a church!

If God isn't everywhere, he/she/it should at least be in a church.

Who needs enemies, when you have such a chickenshit  "God" who would allow something like that to happen?

No, you Islamophobes say we should be apportioning blame, so I'm just playing your apologist game.

How much blame are the brainwashed Christians going to put on their pathetic "God" who allowed this to happen?

(I've read it twice, by the way. Cover to cover)

How many 'Own Goals' is it now that the French authorities have committed against France because of their reluctance to intern suspects and not permit bail for their jailed Muslims who are a risk to the community?

For as long as they keep playing games of political correctness these horrors will continue.

And then we have Nicolas Sarkozy calling for 'merciless' responses ... which means what? He doesn't say. Just bullshit rhetoric to up his chances of getting elected again.

And these cretins like Hollande, Sarkozy, and Merkel are the very same idiots who were only so recently condemning Trump for calling for a stop to Muslim immigration.

  i"French authorities admitted that both Kermiche and his partner were subject to security 'S' files, meaning they were known terror suspects who should have been under surveillance.

Kermiche was living with his parents in Saint-Etienne-du-Rouvray with an electronic tag on his ankle, after spending time in prison in both France and Switzerland".

"One attacker named as 19-year-old Adel Kermiche, known to police for twice trying to join the terror group in Syria".

"He was jailed but released on bail - under conditions that allowed him to roam free in the morning and kill the priest
French authorities revealed they arrested a third man, a 16-year-old Saint-Etienne resident, relating to the attack
Nicolas Sarkozy calls for 'merciless' response as ex-PM said 'everything is being "done to trigger a war of religions'

link

Anyone know why Greg is too frightened to post in here?


http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1469523772/30#32

"O Hell no, we shouldn't stop Muslim immigration" - the PC moral-elite cry out.

So why aren't they advocating for more Negroes from East Africa to be imported into Melbourne? Surely that would fix the Blacks on the Rampage problem down there?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 10:44am:

When you introduce religion, it's relevant yet, when others introduce religion it isn't relevant? Oh no my boy, it doesn't work that way. You and your fellow Islamophobes are all about "apportioning blame", so I'll play your game. How much blame do we apportion to God for letting this happen? A priest, in a Church, FFS! What was God doing when this poor bugger was having his throat slit - chasing Pokemon?

You know it isn't real? There is no evidence what so ever that god is anything more that a figment of a virulent imagination of a feeble mind.

You must really lose your sh1t around easter and christmas when there are no easter eggs or presents form santa.  ;D ;D ;D

You sir are a fool if you believe in god, but that would account for a lot of your moronic posts.

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Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 1:04pm:

How many 'Own Goals' is it now that the French authorities have committed against France because of their reluctance to intern suspects and not permit bail for their jailed Muslims who are a risk to the community? For as long as they keep playing games of political correctness these horrors will continue. And then we have Nicolas Sarkozy calling for 'merciless' responses ... which means what? He doesn't say. Just bullshit rhetoric to up his chances of getting elected again. And these cretins like Hollande, Sarkozy, and Merkel are the very same idiots who were only so recently condemning Trump for calling for a stop to Muslim immigration.   "French authorities admitted that both Kermiche and his partner were subject to security 'S' files, meaning they were known terror suspects who should have been under surveillance. Kermiche was living with his parents in Saint-Etienne-du-Rouvray with an electronic tag on his ankle, after spending time in prison in both France and Switzerland". "One attacker named as 19-year-old Adel Kermiche, known to police for twice trying to join the terror group in Syria". "He was jailed but released on bail - under conditions that allowed him to roam free in the morning and kill the priest French authorities revealed they arrested a third man, a 16-year-old Saint-Etienne resident, relating to the attack Nicolas Sarkozy calls for 'merciless' response as ex-PM said 'everything is being "done to trigger a war of religions' link

Which is why Sonia Kluger is correct.

I be the kgb would not have terror suspects 'under watch' .........

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 1:18pm:

You know it isn't real? There is no evidence what so ever that god is anything more that a figment of a virulent imagination of a feeble mind. You must really lose your sh1t around easter and christmas when there are no easter eggs or presents form santa.  Grin Grin Grin You sir are a fool if you believe in god, but that would account for a lot of your moronic posts.

I knew you were a little slow but I thought it was rather obvious that was the whole point of Gregs post. Even Lisa got it and she's usually the last one to figure it out

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 1:18pm:

There is no evidence what so ever that god is anything more that a figment of a virulent imagination of a feeble mind.

Exactly.

The Christians believe it/he/she exists, though.

So, how much blame should the Christians be apportioning to their "God"?

Quantum wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 12:34pm:

..... One of the central messages at the foundation of Christianity is that people choose to do evil, and God will allow people to act on the evil in their heart until the day of judgement. This man who killed this priest did evil and will one day be judged for it. That's what Christianity holds to, so there is no need for a loss of faith. Of course, had you ever read a history book and ever read the bible (like you claim to have) you would know this.

Just so, Quantum.


Matthew 13:24
Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
25  But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
26  But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
27  So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
28  He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
29  But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30  Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Matthew 13:36
Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
37  He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
38  The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39  The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
40  As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.


Matthew 13:47
Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:
48  Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.


Luke 3:8
Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
9  And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.



We are the gold and silver which our creator is refining, in our choices.


2 Corinthians 6:16
And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
17  Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
18  And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.


Isaiah 48:10
Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction.

Yadda wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 3:28pm:

Quantum wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 12:34pm: ..... One of the central messages at the foundation of Christianity is that people choose to do evil, and God will allow people to act on the evil in their heart until the day of judgement. This man who killed this priest did evil and will one day be judged for it. That's what Christianity holds to, so there is no need for a loss of faith. Of course, had you ever read a history book and ever read the bible (like you claim to have) you would know this. Just so, Quantum. Matthew 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: 25  But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. 26  But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. 27  So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? 28  He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? 29  But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. 30  Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. Matthew 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field. 37  He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; 38  The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; 39  The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. 40  As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. Matthew 13:47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind: 48  Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away. Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. 9  And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. We are the gold and silver which our creator is refining, in our choices. 2 Corinthians 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17  Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, 18  And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty. Isaiah 48:10 Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction.

How much blame are you apportioning to your God, Yadda?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 3:30pm:

Yadda wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 3:28pm: Quantum wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 12:34pm: ..... One of the central messages at the foundation of Christianity is that people choose to do evil, and God will allow people to act on the evil in their heart until the day of judgement. This man who killed this priest did evil and will one day be judged for it. That's what Christianity holds to, so there is no need for a loss of faith. Of course, had you ever read a history book and ever read the bible (like you claim to have) you would know this. Just so, Quantum. Matthew 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: 25  But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. 26  But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. 27  So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? 28  He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? 29  But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. 30  Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. Matthew 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field. 37  He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; 38  The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; 39  The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. 40  As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. Matthew 13:47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind: 48  Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away. Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. 9  And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. We are the gold and silver which our creator is refining, in our choices. 2 Corinthians 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17  Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, 18  And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty. Isaiah 48:10 Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction. How much blame are you apportioning to your God, Yadda?

Our lives, are full of our own choices, and our own consequences, greggery.

Who should we hold to account for those consequences greggery ?



We are supposed to be smart enough.

We are created smart enough.

......to be able to learn from our repeated poor choices.

Some of us simply refuse to repent, and be sorry, for our mistakes.



God is clever.

In our own habits and choices in this life, we have 'self sorted' ourselves.

Separating the precious from the vile.



Matthew 7:19
Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

Luke 3:9
And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

bump

bump

bump, forever and ever amen.......

Yadda wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 3:47pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 3:30pm: Yadda wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 3:28pm: Quantum wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 12:34pm: ..... One of the central messages at the foundation of Christianity is that people choose to do evil, and God will allow people to act on the evil in their heart until the day of judgement. This man who killed this priest did evil and will one day be judged for it. That's what Christianity holds to, so there is no need for a loss of faith. Of course, had you ever read a history book and ever read the bible (like you claim to have) you would know this. Just so, Quantum. Matthew 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: 25  But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. 26  But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. 27  So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? 28  He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? 29  But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. 30  Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. Matthew 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field. 37  He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; 38  The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; 39  The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. 40  As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. Matthew 13:47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind: 48  Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away. Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. 9  And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. We are the gold and silver which our creator is refining, in our choices. 2 Corinthians 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17  Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, 18  And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty. Isaiah 48:10 Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction. How much blame are you apportioning to your God, Yadda? Our lives, are full of our own choices, and our own consequences, greggery. Who should we hold to account for those consequences greggery ?

I blame the perpetrator. Always do.

We're not talking about me, though.

The Islamophobes in here (the apologists) are always saying that we must apportion blame.

And, naturally, they apportion most of the blame to Islam.

Now, how much blame should you God-botherers apportion to Christianity (God) for allowing this attack to happen in the first place?  To a priest! In a Church!!

Why didn't God protect this poor old fella?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 3:56pm:

Yadda wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 3:47pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 3:30pm: Yadda wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 3:28pm: Quantum wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 12:34pm: ..... One of the central messages at the foundation of Christianity is that people choose to do evil, and God will allow people to act on the evil in their heart until the day of judgement. This man who killed this priest did evil and will one day be judged for it. That's what Christianity holds to, so there is no need for a loss of faith. Of course, had you ever read a history book and ever read the bible (like you claim to have) you would know this. Just so, Quantum. Matthew 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: 25  But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. 26  But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. 27  So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? 28  He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? 29  But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. 30  Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. Matthew 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field. 37  He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; 38  The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; 39  The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. 40  As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. Matthew 13:47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind: 48  Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away. Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. 9  And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. We are the gold and silver which our creator is refining, in our choices. 2 Corinthians 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17  Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, 18  And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty. Isaiah 48:10 Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction. How much blame are you apportioning to your God, Yadda? Our lives, are full of our own choices, and our own consequences, greggery. Who should we hold to account for those consequences greggery ? I blame the perpetrator. Always do. We're not talking about me, though. The Islamophobes in here (the apologists) are always saying that we must apportion blame. And, naturally, they apportion most of the blame to Islam. Now, how much blame should you God-botherers apportion to Christianity (God) for allowing this attack to happen in the first place?  To a priest! In a Church!! Why didn't God protect this poor old fella?

God didn't protect him for the same reason he wasn't protected by the easter bunny,  santa clause or moderate Muslims

Gordon wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 5:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 3:56pm: Yadda wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 3:47pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 3:30pm: Yadda wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 3:28pm: Quantum wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 12:34pm: ..... One of the central messages at the foundation of Christianity is that people choose to do evil, and God will allow people to act on the evil in their heart until the day of judgement. This man who killed this priest did evil and will one day be judged for it. That's what Christianity holds to, so there is no need for a loss of faith. Of course, had you ever read a history book and ever read the bible (like you claim to have) you would know this. Just so, Quantum. Matthew 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: 25  But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. 26  But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. 27  So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? 28  He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? 29  But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. 30  Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. Matthew 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field. 37  He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; 38  The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; 39  The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. 40  As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. Matthew 13:47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind: 48  Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away. Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. 9  And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. We are the gold and silver which our creator is refining, in our choices. 2 Corinthians 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17  Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, 18  And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty. Isaiah 48:10 Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction. How much blame are you apportioning to your God, Yadda? Our lives, are full of our own choices, and our own consequences, greggery. Who should we hold to account for those consequences greggery ? I blame the perpetrator. Always do. We're not talking about me, though. The Islamophobes in here (the apologists) are always saying that we must apportion blame. And, naturally, they apportion most of the blame to Islam. Now, how much blame should you God-botherers apportion to Christianity (God) for allowing this attack to happen in the first place?  To a priest! In a Church!! Why didn't God protect this poor old fella? God didn't protect him for the same reason he wasn't protected by the easter bunny,  santa clause ...

You know that, and I now that.

However, I specifically said the "God-botherers".

They believe in God, and my question is to them, not atheists or agnostics.

They honestly believe that God (whatever that thing is) exists, and has the power to make things happen.

So, if he is such a great God, why did he allow a priest to have his throat slit in a Church?

None of the God-botherers seem to have an answer.

Funny that.

The way I look at it is that the concept of god is creation and source. God is not management, although the opposite is often thought to apply.

As I said to you at the start Greg, if there is a god, it does not cause such things to happen or sanction them. People have free will and they do it all by themselves.

bogarde73 wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 6:17pm:

The way I look at it is that the concept of god is creation and source. God is not management, although the opposite is often thought to apply. As I said to you at the start Greg, if there is a god, it does not cause such things to happen or sanction them. People have free will and they do it all by themselves.

Tell that to the God-botherers.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 3:56pm:

I blame the perpetrator. Always do. We're not talking about me, though. The Islamophobes in here (the apologists) are always saying that we must apportion blame. And, naturally, they apportion most of the blame to Islam. Now, how much blame should you God-botherers apportion to Christianity (God) for allowing this attack to happen in the first place?  To a priest! In a Church!! Why didn't God protect this poor old fella?

greggery,

Is the God of Israel and 'interventionist' God ?

Absolutely he is!



Myself, I do not know why the God of Israel allowed the slaying of this priest.

In any case, this physical life of man is like a vapour, it is like a morning mist, it is like a green leaf.

Our body, is but the dust of the earth.

When i leave this body, i will be glad, it will be a good day [imo].

Yadda wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 6:21pm:

When i leave this body, i will be glad ...

Ah, no.

You won't be able to feel any emotions at all - you'll be dead.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 5:59pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 5:01pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 3:56pm: Yadda wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 3:47pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 3:30pm: Yadda wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 3:28pm: Quantum wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 12:34pm: ..... One of the central messages at the foundation of Christianity is that people choose to do evil, and God will allow people to act on the evil in their heart until the day of judgement. This man who killed this priest did evil and will one day be judged for it. That's what Christianity holds to, so there is no need for a loss of faith. Of course, had you ever read a history book and ever read the bible (like you claim to have) you would know this. Just so, Quantum. Matthew 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: 25  But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. 26  But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. 27  So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? 28  He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? 29  But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. 30  Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. Matthew 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field. 37  He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; 38  The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; 39  The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. 40  As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. Matthew 13:47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind: 48  Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away. Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. 9  And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. We are the gold and silver which our creator is refining, in our choices. 2 Corinthians 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17  Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, 18  And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty. Isaiah 48:10 Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction. How much blame are you apportioning to your God, Yadda? Our lives, are full of our own choices, and our own consequences, greggery. Who should we hold to account for those consequences greggery ? I blame the perpetrator. Always do. We're not talking about me, though. The Islamophobes in here (the apologists) are always saying that we must apportion blame. And, naturally, they apportion most of the blame to Islam. Now, how much blame should you God-botherers apportion to Christianity (God) for allowing this attack to happen in the first place?  To a priest! In a Church!! Why didn't God protect this poor old fella? God didn't protect him for the same reason he wasn't protected by the easter bunny,  santa clause ... You know that, and I now that. However, I specifically said the "God-botherers". They believe in God, and my question is to them, not atheists or agnostics. They honestly believe that God (whatever that thing is) exists, and has the power to make things happen. So, if he is such a great God, why did he allow a priest to have his throat slit in a Church? None of the God-botherers seem to have an answer. Funny that.

So finally you agreethere's no such thing as moderate Muslims.

I'll add it to the list of things we have in common.

Machine gun fellatio
Pork knuckle
Kinky German women

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 6:25pm:

Yadda wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 6:21pm: When i leave this body, i will be glad ... Ah, no. You won't be able to feel any emotions at all - you'll be dead.

So certain are you!         :)




When i leave this body,    for the final time,    i will be glad, it will be a good day [imo].

Gordon wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 6:27pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 5:59pm: Gordon wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 5:01pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 3:56pm: Yadda wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 3:47pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 3:30pm: Yadda wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 3:28pm: Quantum wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 12:34pm: ..... One of the central messages at the foundation of Christianity is that people choose to do evil, and God will allow people to act on the evil in their heart until the day of judgement. This man who killed this priest did evil and will one day be judged for it. That's what Christianity holds to, so there is no need for a loss of faith. Of course, had you ever read a history book and ever read the bible (like you claim to have) you would know this. Just so, Quantum. Matthew 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: 25  But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. 26  But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. 27  So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? 28  He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? 29  But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. 30  Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. Matthew 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field. 37  He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; 38  The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; 39  The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. 40  As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. Matthew 13:47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind: 48  Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away. Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. 9  And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. We are the gold and silver which our creator is refining, in our choices. 2 Corinthians 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17  Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, 18  And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty. Isaiah 48:10 Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction. How much blame are you apportioning to your God, Yadda? Our lives, are full of our own choices, and our own consequences, greggery. Who should we hold to account for those consequences greggery ? I blame the perpetrator. Always do. We're not talking about me, though. The Islamophobes in here (the apologists) are always saying that we must apportion blame. And, naturally, they apportion most of the blame to Islam. Now, how much blame should you God-botherers apportion to Christianity (God) for allowing this attack to happen in the first place?  To a priest! In a Church!! Why didn't God protect this poor old fella? God didn't protect him for the same reason he wasn't protected by the easter bunny,  santa clause ... You know that, and I now that. However, I specifically said the "God-botherers". They believe in God, and my question is to them, not atheists or agnostics. They honestly believe that God (whatever that thing is) exists, and has the power to make things happen. So, if he is such a great God, why did he allow a priest to have his throat slit in a Church? None of the God-botherers seem to have an answer. Funny that. So finally you agree there's no such thing as moderate Muslims.

No.

Quite the opposite - I know several moderate Muslims.

Yadda wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 6:29pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 6:25pm: Yadda wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 6:21pm: When i leave this body, i will be glad ... Ah, no. You won't be able to feel any emotions at all - you'll be dead. So certain are you!

Yes.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 6:30pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 6:27pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 5:59pm: Gordon wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 5:01pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 3:56pm: Yadda wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 3:47pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 3:30pm: Yadda wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 3:28pm: Quantum wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 12:34pm: ..... One of the central messages at the foundation of Christianity is that people choose to do evil, and God will allow people to act on the evil in their heart until the day of judgement. This man who killed this priest did evil and will one day be judged for it. That's what Christianity holds to, so there is no need for a loss of faith. Of course, had you ever read a history book and ever read the bible (like you claim to have) you would know this. Just so, Quantum. Matthew 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: 25  But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. 26  But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. 27  So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? 28  He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? 29  But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. 30  Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. Matthew 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field. 37  He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; 38  The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; 39  The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. 40  As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. Matthew 13:47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind: 48  Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away. Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. 9  And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. We are the gold and silver which our creator is refining, in our choices. 2 Corinthians 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17  Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, 18  And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty. Isaiah 48:10 Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction. How much blame are you apportioning to your God, Yadda? Our lives, are full of our own choices, and our own consequences, greggery. Who should we hold to account for those consequences greggery ? I blame the perpetrator. Always do. We're not talking about me, though. The Islamophobes in here (the apologists) are always saying that we must apportion blame. And, naturally, they apportion most of the blame to Islam. Now, how much blame should you God-botherers apportion to Christianity (God) for allowing this attack to happen in the first place?  To a priest! In a Church!! Why didn't God protect this poor old fella? God didn't protect him for the same reason he wasn't protected by the easter bunny,  santa clause ... You know that, and I now that. However, I specifically said the "God-botherers". They believe in God, and my question is to them, not atheists or agnostics. They honestly believe that God (whatever that thing is) exists, and has the power to make things happen. So, if he is such a great God, why did he allow a priest to have his throat slit in a Church? None of the God-botherers seem to have an answer. Funny that. So finally you agree there's no such thing as moderate Muslims. No. Quite the opposite - I know several moderate Muslims.

It's ok gregg. I know a scientist who believes in aliens.  We all have a fantastical belief or two.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 6:31pm:

Yadda wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 6:29pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 6:25pm: Yadda wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 6:21pm: When i leave this body, i will be glad ... Ah, no. You won't be able to feel any emotions at all - you'll be dead. So certain are you!        Yes.

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Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 27^th, 2016 at 7:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 6:31pm: Yadda wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 6:29pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 6:25pm: Yadda wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 6:21pm: When i leave this body, i will be glad ... Ah, no. You won't be able to feel any emotions at all - you'll be dead. So certain are you!        Yes. link?

link?

find a mirror ... surely if there was a god he would have taken pity on you by now?