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Title: Conservative Megalomania Post by Greens_Win on Jul 22nd, 2016 at 3:51pm
Oke doke, here we go.
Suspect, that to prop up a failing market system (capitalism), and to slow/stop the transformation from fossil to renewables, also to keep the war economy chugging away full steam, the politically conservative side of politics created a diversion, and called it terrorism. 11th sept, 2001. Obviously there was an attack planned, yet the conservatives when discovering, rather than stopping it, magnified the destruction. Detonating the twin towers and firing a missile into the pentagon. Then we have the illegal invasions and oil wars waged. No plans for success. More an attempt to unite the enemy factions within Islam, so to increase the complexity of the situation, so to decrease the chance of finding a peaceful solution. From this the conservatives have attacked and stripped our rights. They have divided and are now driving us closer and closer to a religious world war. On the back burner, is decreasing and turning around human caused climate change. Even though the negative aspects of climate change will increase the opportunities for wars through scarcity and natural disasters. Islamic fundamentalistic attacks were originally due to western influences on non western cultures, and these cultures having no other way to fight back, than to attack. There was no attempt to discuss this via parliamentary debates. Rather switch brains off and jackboots in. The conservatives too ignore the funding of most of the planet's islamic fundamentalism, Saudi Arabia. If conservatives wanted to cut down islamic fundamentalism, all it would take is to stop Wahhabism funding out of Saudi Arabia. And so the end the majority of attacks on civilians around the globe. Side effect. The war machine industry slows down. The shift to a more sustainable market system, alongside a more sustainable energy mix. Yet the war industry, the fossil sector are major contributors to the conservatives. Think global, act local. Now we know to solve global issues, first we must act local, the path to a global solution. Conservative Megalomania Like Wahhabism, first step, we must cut the funding. Australian Political Donation Reform, is the first step to decreasing worldwide Islamic fundamentalism. Ok trolls. start throwing your feces ... Others, Discuss? |
Title: Re: Conservative Megalomania Post by Baronvonrort on Jul 22nd, 2016 at 4:34pm
This is the Islam the greens support-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYktM-4Vspg |
Title: Re: Conservative Megalomania Post by juliar on Jul 22nd, 2016 at 4:36pm
More Greenie bulldust from Greenies_Lose.
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Title: Re: Conservative Megalomania Post by Bojack Horseman on Jul 22nd, 2016 at 4:37pm juliar wrote on Jul 22nd, 2016 at 4:36pm:
Admittedly you are the expert in bullshit |
Title: Re: Conservative Megalomania Post by Greens_Win on Jul 22nd, 2016 at 4:49pm Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 22nd, 2016 at 4:34pm:
All religions after the after same aim, world domination. As to Greens supporting specific aspects of Islam, that's a long bow. You don't have to be gay to oppose homophobia, female to oppose misogyny ... a supporter of Islam to be opposed to islamophobia. |
Title: Re: Conservative Megalomania Post by Baronvonrort on Jul 22nd, 2016 at 4:54pm ____ wrote on Jul 22nd, 2016 at 4:49pm:
Cite where any other religion apart from Islam seeks world domination. The Greens love Islam, the love non violent guys like Abu Mounisa who wants to impose sharia law on non muslim societies. The greens help the islamization process in non muslim countries they are useful idiots who defend Islam for muslims by hurling slurs like Islamophobia when anyone dares to question this backward ideology. |
Title: Re: Conservative Megalomania Post by lee on Jul 22nd, 2016 at 5:11pm ____ wrote on Jul 22nd, 2016 at 3:51pm:
Delusional. |
Title: Re: Conservative Megalomania Post by Yadda on Jul 22nd, 2016 at 5:20pm Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 22nd, 2016 at 4:34pm:
Many political leftists appear to be disposed to protect and shield ISLAM, from all criticism. Why so ? Because moslems present themselves to political leftists as a 'victim' community who falsely claim, that ISLAM supports and promotes minority rights. ISLAM, .....support and promote minority rights!!!!!! Yadda, LOL!!!! .....complete piffle! http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1467888920/23#23 Quote:
THE TRUTH; Moslems DO NOT support minority rights!!! Moslems support Sharia law. All of you naive apologists for moslems and ISLAM, ....watch this YT; -------- > What Normal Muslims Think - And Europe Fails to Understand -------- > goto 41 sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYAcLudBbhg |
Title: Re: Conservative Megalomania Post by Yadda on Jul 22nd, 2016 at 5:31pm Yadda said..... http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1467888920/23#23 Quote:
For example, in moslem majority Malaysia; "Malaysia's Prime Minister: LGBTs, liberalism, and pluralism are enemies of Islam" "Last Malaysian Hindu temple in central Kuala Lumpur condemned, given five days to vacate" "Malaysian temple condemned, temple staff and devotees given 15 minutes to leave" "Malaysian government views LGBT community as a 'spreading problem' to be stopped" "Malaysian deputy prime minister: Islam not compatible with freedom, liberal thought" "Yet another Malaysian non-Muslim house of worship demolished" "Malaysian state holding seminar on "threat of Christianity" " "A message from Malaysia's king: "Muslims need to emulate Prophet Muhammad" " Checkout news reports from secular, liberal, democratic, Indonesia, the 'crucial US ally'..... http://www.jihadwatch.org/category/indonesia And checkout news reports from secular, liberal, democratic, Malaysia, 'the partner of the West'..... http://www.jihadwatch.org/category/Malaysia |
Title: Re: Conservative Megalomania Post by Frank on Jul 22nd, 2016 at 5:37pm ____ wrote on Jul 22nd, 2016 at 4:49pm:
And that's why the Green movement is seen as a religion, hell-bent on world domination. |
Title: Re: Conservative Megalomania Post by Grendel on Jul 22nd, 2016 at 5:44pm
True Conservatives don't suffer from megalomania.
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Title: Re: Conservative Megalomania Post by Baronvonrort on Jul 22nd, 2016 at 5:46pm ____ wrote on Jul 22nd, 2016 at 4:49pm:
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Muhammad said he has been given superiority over all the other prophets , the greens and the Islamic apologists treat Muhammad's religion with superiority over all other religions. |
Title: Re: Conservative Megalomania Post by sir prince duke alevine on Jul 22nd, 2016 at 6:42pm lee wrote on Jul 22nd, 2016 at 5:11pm:
Just this part? ;) |
Title: Re: Conservative Megalomania Post by lee on Jul 22nd, 2016 at 6:45pm sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 22nd, 2016 at 6:42pm:
Nah, I just like to keep it simple for him. |
Title: Re: Conservative Megalomania Post by sir prince duke alevine on Jul 22nd, 2016 at 6:47pm
I am going to assume that this entire thread is the byproduct of heavy drinking following a miserable greens election result.
To actually believe in 9/11 conspiracy theories, and to blame the west for Islamic terrorism is nothing more than delusional. This doesn't need much rebuttal from me other than to point out that if anything you have said were to be true then 1) islamic terrorism wouldn't concentrate itself predominately in Muslim countries and predominately kill Muslim people 2) you would of course have actual evidence to back up your conspiracy theories, other than YouTube videos with fuzzy images and scary deep voices that try and convince you that something exists. 3) you would of course have a counter economic system, WHICH WORKS, to replace the so called failed free market. You have really gone troppo. It's not a good sign, I'd suggest you take a few months/years away from politics as the antisemetic greens are only set for more disappointment, and clearly you can't handle it very well. Why don't you take a nice volunteering holiday down to the Gaza strip? I hear Hamas needs some more volunteers to help them train kids how to kill all Jewish people. You'd fit the Mickey Mouse role perfectly. |
Title: Re: Conservative Megalomania Post by Belgarion on Jul 22nd, 2016 at 6:55pm ____ wrote on Jul 22nd, 2016 at 3:51pm:
The only discussion required here is what size tinfoil hat you need. ::) |
Title: Re: Conservative Megalomania Post by Fireball on Jul 22nd, 2016 at 7:03pm ____ wrote on Jul 22nd, 2016 at 4:49pm:
Islam is a cult not a religion, if you include Scientology, another cult for the wealthy, where does that leave the Greens.........kind of a cult for the gay and eccentrics really, certainly NOT a religion or a political party, but all three have the same aim of 'world domination'. Out of th three the Greens have the least chance of any level of success. |
Title: Re: Conservative Megalomania Post by Greens_Win on Jul 22nd, 2016 at 8:53pm Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 22nd, 2016 at 4:54pm:
The bases of your opinion. If a group of people are not part of your witchhunt, then they are apart of the group you are attacking. No where in Greens policies is support for sharia law in Australia. Greens opposing ignorant comments towards a minority group of Australians has nothing to do with assisting the spread of a certain religion. You are more than welcome to find fault with a religion, totally different when you attack people with ignorant claims. If you were doing the same towards other religious groups, say Jewish Australians, this would make you antisemitic. Correct? |
Title: Re: Conservative Megalomania Post by Greens_Win on Jul 22nd, 2016 at 9:02pm Yadda wrote on Jul 22nd, 2016 at 5:20pm:
The attacks are personal and towards Australians. Discuss and criticise Islam to your hearts content ... just leave Australian muslims out of it. Easy ! |
Title: Re: Conservative Megalomania Post by Yadda on Jul 22nd, 2016 at 10:03pm ____ wrote on Jul 22nd, 2016 at 3:51pm:
Wrong. It has been the implementation of the policies of 'progressive' politicians [of whichever 'nominal' political persuasion] which have reeked havoc with Case in point; Moslem immigration, to all Western nations. CONSIDER; If there were no moslems [i.e. NOT ONE!] living in Australia today..... For example, if moslem immigration to Australia had never been initiated, and had never occurred..... Q. 1/ Would there be a plethora of Middle Eastern Organised Crime groups, in Australia today ? Q. 2/ Would police in Australia have needed to form [and fund] a Middle Eastern Organised Crime Squads ? Q. 3/ Would hundreds of moslems, convicted of terrorism offences, be languishing in goals, in Australia ? [if there are not hundreds, i would be surprised!] Q. 4/ If there was NOT ONE moslem living in Australia today, would Australian authorities have ever needed to institute widespread and such stringent security measures where large crowds gather in public areas ? Dictionary; stringent = = strict, precise, and exacting. Google; mcg bomb plot Google; Holsworthy Barracks terror plot Google; Numan Haider stabbed police Google; Lindt cafe Martin Place Google; Khaled Sharrouff Google; Mohamed Ali Elomar Google; Mohammed Omar Jamal EXAMPLES OF 'OPEN' STATEMENTS BY MOSLEM AUSTRALIANS...... Quote:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/07/australia-members-of-hizb-ut-tahrir-say-country-is-god-forsaken-and-that-muslims-must-shun-secular-a.html . "Use [moslem] children as troops, says 'Aussie' moslem cleric" Quote:
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21074839-2,00.html http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/014863.php . Google; "You're never too young to be a soldier of Kalifah." |
Title: Re: Conservative Megalomania Post by sir prince duke alevine on Jul 22nd, 2016 at 10:24pm ____ wrote on Jul 22nd, 2016 at 9:02pm:
Who attacks individual Muslims ideas without knowing their beliefs first? Show examples. |
Title: Re: Conservative Megalomania Post by Greens_Win on Jul 22nd, 2016 at 10:30pm Yadda wrote on Jul 22nd, 2016 at 10:03pm: And if Theia hadn't crashed into Earth, our moon wouldn't have formed and stabilised our rotation and so allowing evolution of species ... and so human civilisation would never have existed. Anyone can draw a long bow, that has no connection to the thread. They can even adjust size and colour. |
Title: Re: Conservative Megalomania Post by Greens_Win on Jul 22nd, 2016 at 10:31pm sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 22nd, 2016 at 10:24pm:
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Title: Re: Conservative Megalomania Post by sir prince duke alevine on Jul 22nd, 2016 at 10:41pm ____ wrote on Jul 22nd, 2016 at 10:31pm:
What part of "show examples" did you misunderstand? This is typical regressive leftism: misunderstand where the criticism is being targeted and instead of admitting own failures instead get even more stubborn and continue the delusional and irrational argument. |
Title: Re: Conservative Megalomania Post by Greens_Win on Jul 22nd, 2016 at 10:43pm
I'm not here to spoon feed trolls.
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Title: Re: Conservative Megalomania Post by sir prince duke alevine on Jul 22nd, 2016 at 10:53pm ____ wrote on Jul 22nd, 2016 at 10:43pm:
What part of that was incorrect? Amazing isn't it? You can't substantiate your opinion and hence run away. Anyway, your inability to show examples of when individual Muslims are criticised before their beliefs are known shows all it needs to. Keep drinking, you deffo need it. Perhaps you should also put up a post about how mh370 was a conspiracy theory too? I think the US must of done it ;D |
Title: Re: Conservative Megalomania Post by sir prince duke alevine on Jul 22nd, 2016 at 11:11pm
The moon landing was also fake in order to create Islamic radicalism. It's all Neil
Armstrongs fault. The government puts fluoride into water to make us disagree with Islamic radicalism. It's all the governments fault. The titanic was actually sunk by government to perpetrate the first terrorist attack, to make us fear terrorism. It's all white star liners fault! Or perhaps leo dicapprios fault? Anymore whoppers? |
Title: Re: Conservative Megalomania Post by Leftwinger on Jul 22nd, 2016 at 11:14pm Grendel wrote on Jul 22nd, 2016 at 5:44pm:
Showing your hand ? |
Title: Re: Conservative Megalomania Post by Greens_Win on Jul 23rd, 2016 at 8:11am
Munich attack: At least nine dead in suspected terror shooting at shopping mall, police say
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-23/multiple-people-killed-injured-in-munich-shooting-police-say/7654430 And still, conservatives are silent about Saudi Arabia funding and provoking worldwide terror out of Saudi Arabia. That's because Saudi Arabia are the conservatives best mate when it comes to attacking your rights and pulling the wool over your eyes ! |
Title: Re: Conservative Megalomania Post by bogarde73 on Jul 23rd, 2016 at 8:20am sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 22nd, 2016 at 6:47pm:
That's an excellent post alevine. I'm afraid Green has PTSD due to the short-lived upward trajectory of his party's vote reaching its probable high water market. Very likely from here the tide gradually recedes. |
Title: Re: Conservative Megalomania Post by sir prince duke alevine on Jul 23rd, 2016 at 8:48am ____ wrote on Jul 23rd, 2016 at 8:11am:
Have you started drawing love hearts with your crayons yet? That'll stop all this, I'm sure. |
Title: Re: Conservative Megalomania Post by Greens_Win on Jul 23rd, 2016 at 8:55am bogarde73 wrote on Jul 23rd, 2016 at 8:20am:
Oil for Terror ... this is why conservatives are silent on Saudi Arabia being world central for Islamic Fundamentalism ... and conservatives ignoring it. They would rather western civilians killed in attack after attack so they can try and garnish political advantage out of the blood and guts. But hey, you flitter around the edges of actually debating the topic ... like the trolls. |
Title: Re: Conservative Megalomania Post by sir prince duke alevine on Jul 23rd, 2016 at 8:59am ____ wrote on Jul 23rd, 2016 at 8:55am:
So you advocate war on Saudi Arabia? Bad pacifist! Bad! |
Title: Re: Conservative Megalomania Post by Greens_Win on Jul 23rd, 2016 at 9:00am
Saudi Arabia funds and exports Islamic extremism: The truth behind the toxic U.S. relationship with the theocratic monarchy
The little-told history of the U.S.-Saudi "special relationship" is a story of blood, oil & violent fundamentalism “Everybody’s worried about stopping terrorism. Well, there’s a really easy way: stop participating in it.” So advised world-renowned public intellectual Noam Chomsky, one of the most cited thinkers in human history. The counsel may sound simple and intuitive — that’s because it is. But when it comes to Saudi Arabia, the U.S. ignores it. Saudi Arabia is the world’s leading sponsor of Islamic extremism. It is also a close U.S. ally. This contradiction, although responsible for a lot of human suffering, is frequently ignored. Yet it recently plunged back into the limelight with the Saudi monarchy’s largest mass execution in decades. On Jan. 2, Saudi Arabia beheaded 47 people across 13 cities. Among the executed was cleric Nimr al-Nimr, a leader from the country’s Shia religious minority who was arrested for leading peaceful protests against the regime in 2011-12. Sheikh al-Nimr was known throughout the Islamic world for his staunch opposition to sectarianism. The outspoken Saudi dissident firmly insisted that Sunnis and Shias are not enemies, and should unite against the sectarian regimes oppressing them. “The oppressed should unite together against the oppressors, instead of becoming tools in the hands of the oppressors,” he declared. By executing a dissident who challenged sectarianism, the Saudi monarchy was only further fomenting it. Human rights organizations condemned the executions. Amnesty International said the Saudi regime is “using the death penalty in the name of counter-terror to settle scores and crush dissidents,” sentencing activists “to death after grossly unfair trials.” Amnesty called this “a monstrous and irreversible injustice.” Yet atrocities like the mass beheadings are by no means new in Saudi Arabia. What is new is the global attention to them. Ali Mohammed al-Nimr, the nephew of the murdered cleric, was arrested at age 17 for attending a peaceful pro-democracy protest in 2012. He was allegedly tortured, before being sentenced to death by beheading and crucifixion. Saudi Arabia is one of the last places on the planet where crucifixions are still practiced — ordered by the government itself. In recent years, the Saudi monarchy has also arrested at least two other peaceful teenage pro-democracy activists and sentenced them to death. Furthermore, a Palestinian poet was sentenced to death by Saudi Arabia in November for renouncing Islam and criticizing the royal family. In 2015, the Saudi regime executed 158 people, largely by beheading. On average, approximately half (47 percent) of people executed in Saudi Arabia are killed for drug-related offenses, according to Amnesty International. Every four days, then, on average, the Saudi monarchy executes someone for drugs — while its own princes are caught with thousands of pounds of drugs at foreign airports. Journalist Abby Martin devoted an episode of her show “The Empire Files” to exploring the Saudi-U.S. relationship. The episode, aptly titled “Inside Saudi Arabia: Butchery, Slavery & History of Revolt,” displays the brutality of the monarchy in excruciating detail. “If the Saudi kingdom were an enemy of the U.S. government, we’d be shown these images and facts every day on the mainstream media,” Martin observes. The internal repression and human rights abuses inside Saudi Arabia is one thing. Perhaps even more troubling, however, is the monarchy’s support for violent religious extremism. It is here that Chomsky’s advice on stopping terrorism becomes so important. By continually aligning itself with the Saudi regime, the U.S. is fueling the very fire it is fighting in the so-called War on Terror. Saudi support for extremism Saudi Arabia is a theocratic absolute monarchy that governs based on an extreme interpretation of Sharia (Islamic law). It is so extreme, it has been widely compared to ISIS. Algerian journalist Kamel Daoud characterized Saudi Arabia in an op-ed in The New York Times as “an ISIS that has made it.” “Black Daesh, white Daesh,” Daoud wrote, using the Arabic acronym for ISIS. “The former slits throats, kills, stones, cuts off hands, destroys humanity’s common heritage and despises archaeology, women and non-Muslims. The latter is better dressed and neater but does the same things. The Islamic State; Saudi Arabia.” “In its struggle against terrorism, the West wages war on one, but shakes hands with the other,” Daoud continued. “This is a mechanism of denial, and denial has a price: preserving the famous strategic alliance with Saudi Arabia at the risk of forgetting that the kingdom also relies on an alliance with a religious clergy that produces, legitimizes, spreads, preaches and defends Wahhabism, the ultra-puritanical form of Islam that Daesh feeds on.” Since the November Paris attacks, in which 130 people were massacred in a series of bombings and shootings for which ISIS claimed responsibility, the West has constantly spoken of the importance of fighting extremism. At the same time, however, the U.S., U.K., France, and other Western nations have continued supporting the Saudi regime that fuels such extremism. Saudi political dissidents like Turki al-Hamad have constantly argued this point. In a TV interview, al-Hamad insisted the religious extremism p |
Title: Re: Conservative Megalomania Post by Greens_Win on Jul 23rd, 2016 at 9:01am
propagated by the Saudi monarchy “serves as fuel for ISIS.” “You can see [in ISIS videos] the volunteers in Syria ripping up their Saudi passports,” al-Hamad said.
“In order to stop ISIS, you must first dry up this ideology at the source. Otherwise you are cutting the grass, but leaving the roots. You have to take out the roots,” he added. In the wake of the November 2015 Paris attacks, scholar Yousaf Butt stressed that “the fountainhead of Islamic extremism that promotes and legitimizes such violence lies with the fanatical ‘Wahhabi’ strain of Islam centered in Saudi Arabia.” “If the world wants to tamp down and eliminate such violent extremism, it must confront this primary host and facilitator,” Butt warned. In the past few decades, the Saudi regime has spent an estimated $100 billion exporting its extremist interpretation of Islam worldwide. It infuses its fundamentalist ideology in the ostensible charity work it performs, often targeting poor Muslim communities in countries like Pakistan or places like refugee camps, where uneducated, indigent, oppressed people are more susceptible to it. Whether elements within Saudi Arabia support ISIS is contested. Even if Saudi Arabia does not directly support or fund ISIS, however, Saudi Arabia gives legitimacy to the extremist ideology ISIS preaches. What is not contested, on the other hand, is that Saudi elites in the business community and even segments of the royal family support extremist groups like al-Qaida. U.S. government cables leaked by WikiLeaks admit “donors in Saudi Arabia constitute the most significant source of funding to Sunni terrorist groups worldwide.” “It has been an ongoing challenge to persuade Saudi officials to treat terrorist financing emanating from Saudi Arabia as a strategic priority,” wrote former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in a leaked 2009 cable. Supporters of the Saudi monarchy resist comparisons to ISIS. The regime itself threatened to sue social media users who compared it to ISIS. Apologists point out that ISIS and Saudi Arabia are enemies. This is indeed true. But this is not necessarily because they are ideologically different (they are similar) but rather because they threaten each other’s power. There can only be one autocrat in an autocratic system; ISIS’ self-proclaimed Caliph Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi refuses to kowtow to present Saudi King Salman, and vice-versa. After all, the Saudi absolute monarch partially justifies his rule through claiming that it has been blessed and ordained by God, and if ISIS’ caliph insists the same, they can’t both be right. Some American politicians have criticized the U.S.-Saudi relationship for these very reasons. Former U.S. Sen. Bob Graham has been perhaps the most outspoken critic. Graham has called extremist groups like ISIS and al-Qaeda “a product of Saudi ideals, Saudi money and Saudi organizational support.” Sen. Graham served on the Senate Intelligence Committee for a decade, and chaired the committee during and after the 9/11 attacks. He condemned the illegal U.S. invasion of Iraq, which he deemed a “distraction” from the U.S.’s real problems, and has warned that Saudi Arabia may have played a role in the 9/11 attacks that left almost 3,000 Americans dead. This is not in any way to suggest that there was a conspiracy, and that the U.S. government was involved in the attacks; such a notion is preposterous, and can be refuted with even rudimentary knowledge about the Middle East and a basic understanding of history. There was no “inside job”; the conspiracy theory is absurd. Rather, critics like Sen. Graham have suggested that the U.S. government sees its close relationship to Saudi Arabia as so critical that it may have downplayed potential Saudi involvement in the attacks. Of the 19 Sept. 11 attackers, 15 were citizens of Saudi Arabia. Zacarias Moussaoui, a convicted 9/11 plotter, confessed in sworn testimony to U.S. authorities that members of the Saudi royal family funded al-Qaeda before the attacks. The Saudi government strongly denies this. The 2002 joint House-Senate report on the Sept. 11 attacks has 28 pages on al-Qaeda’s “specific sources of foreign support,” but this section is classified, leading Graham and others to suggest it may contain information about potential Saudi involvement. The 9/11 Commission insisted in its 2004 report, however, that it “found no evidence that the Saudi government as an institution or senior Saudi officials individually funded” al-Qaeda. Sen. Graham has nevertheless insisted that the possibility that elements of the Saudi royal family supported the 9/11 attackers should not be ruled out. In his 2004 book “Intelligence Matters: The CIA, the FBI, Saudi Arabia, and the Failure of America’s War on Terror,” Graham further argued these points, from his background within the U.S. government. The independent, non-partisan Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania has detailed the allegations and possible evidence — or lack thereof — of Saudi ties to the 9/11 attacks on its website FactCheck.org. Whatever its role, what is clear is that Saudi Arabia’s support for violent extremist groups is well documented. Such support continues to this very day. In Syria, the Saudi monarchy has backed al-Nusra, al-Qaeda’s Syrian affiliate. The U.S. government has bombed al-Nusra, but its ally Saudi Arabia is funding it. Yet despite its brutality and support for extremism, the U.S. considers the Saudi monarchy a |
Title: Re: Conservative Megalomania Post by Greens_Win on Jul 23rd, 2016 at 9:03am
a “close ally.” The State Department calls Saudi Arabia “a strong partner in regional security and counterterrorism efforts, providing military, diplomatic, and financial cooperation.” It stated in September 2015 it “welcomed” the appointment of Saudi Arabia to the head of a U.N. human rights panel. “We’re close allies,” the State Department remarked.
In order to understand where this intimate relationship came from, and why it is so important to the U.S., it is important to look back at history .A history of “precious jewels” The U.S.-Saudi relationship has its origins in the early 20th century. It was at this time that Saudi Arabia was discovered to have what were believed to be the world’s largest oil reserves. The largest oil reserves are now known to actually be in Venezuela, but Saudi Arabia has the second-largest. And when Saudi Arabia is combined with neighboring Gulf states Kuwait, Qatar, and the United Arab Emirates, it is by far the most oil-dense region of the planet. This abundance in natural resources has led to a kind of special relationship, if you will, like the one between the U.S. and the U.K. or the U.S. and Israel. In 1945, just before he died, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt met with Ibn Saud, the first king and founder of modern Saudi Arabia. Roosevelt promised the regent the U.S. would support his kingdom in return for oil. This relationship has continued to this day. Still now, American politicians openly cite these oil reserves as an important reason for U.S. support. In October 2015, Deputy Secretary of State Antony Blinken visited Bahrain, where he declared, “Our engagement today is grounded by our deep and enduring commitment to the Middle East and to its people. This region is home to some of our oldest and closest friends and allies.” “The region’s oil supplies have powered industries and economies for generations since the Gulf prospectors first struck oil in Bahrain in 1931,” Sec. Blinken continued. “And while we are now more energy sufficient, Middle East oil continues to drive the global market, and we remain determined to secure its supply.” Every U.S. president since Roosevelt has worked with the Saudi monarchy — from Truman to Carter to Obama. Eisenhower’s administration emphasized the “close cooperation” between the U.S. and Saudi Arabia on economic and military grounds. “Saudi Arabia, by virtue of its spiritual, geographical, and economic position, is of vital importance in the Middle East,” his administration insisted. “It is in the interests of world peace that this Kingdom be strengthened for the maintenance of its own stability and the safeguarding and progressive development of its institutions.” The Nixon administration created a “Twin Pillars” Middle East policy, in which the U.S.-backed monarchies in Saudi Arabia and Iran were considered pillars of stability. In 1953, the CIA backed a coup that overthrew Iran’s first and only democratically elected head of state, Mohammad Mosaddegh. The U.S. subsequently propped up the Iranian monarch, known as the shah, until the 1979 Iranian Revolution, which permanently changed the U.S. relationship with Iran, moving the U.S. even closer to Saudi Arabia and Israel. In September 2015, President Obama commended “the longstanding friendship between the United States and Saudi Arabia.” President Obama’s administration has in fact moved the U.S. even closer to the Saudi regime, particularly in the realm of military coordination. In the past five years, the U.S. has done more than $100 billion in arms deals with the Saudi monarchy. Some analysts have downplayed the significance of oil in this special relationship, but it is hard to overstate the importance of oil to the modern industrial economy. To put it simply, things would simply collapse were it not for oil. Petroleum is in practically everything. It’s in our cars, airplanes, roads, buildings, and even products like toothpaste. The entire modern global economy is based on oil. This is why even a relatively small fluctuation in the price of oil can have enormous global economic effects. A recent television program by National Geographic tried to envision what exactly would happen if the modern world ran out of oil. Its depiction is bleak and dystopian —it is a world in which life truly is nasty, brutish and short. But critics do have a point; it is not just about oil — although petroleum is at the center of the U.S.-Saudi special relationship. Saudi Arabia, along with Israel, has also been an important political and military ally in the Middle East, that ensures U.S. dominance in the region. Of all past U.S. presidents, President Reagan’s relationship with the Saudi monarchy is particularly relevant in these regards. “The friendship and cooperation between our governments and people are precious jewels whose value we should never underestimate,” Reagan declared at the 1985 welcoming ceremony for then Saudi King Fahd. Reagan told the monarch “you rightfully exert a strong moral influence in the world of Islam, and the people of the United States are proud of their leadership role among the democratic nations.” The U.S. president dubbed his country the regent of the West, and Saudi Arabia the regent of the Middle East. “I firmly believe that in the years ahead, there should be and will be a more powerful recognition of the common interests shared by these two significant world forces. Already, the bonds of commerce are strong, especially between o |
Title: Re: Conservative Megalomania Post by Dnarever on Jul 23rd, 2016 at 9:04am Grendel wrote on Jul 22nd, 2016 at 5:44pm:
Are you saying that there are no true conservatives in politics ? It does seem to be a consistent and dominant trait in all conservative politicians. |
Title: Re: Conservative Megalomania Post by Greens_Win on Jul 23rd, 2016 at 9:05am
More here :
http://www.salon.com/2016/01/06/saudi_arabia_funds_and_exports_islamic_extremism_the_truth_behind_the_toxic_u_s_relationship_with_the_theocratic_nation/ Until conservatives in Australia distance themselves from the funding of terror, they are part of the problem. |
Title: Re: Conservative Megalomania Post by Baronvonrort on Jul 23rd, 2016 at 9:15am ____ wrote on Jul 23rd, 2016 at 9:05am:
The Saudis finance mosques, universities and Islamic schools in Australia, when Australians protest this the greens hurl Islamophobia slurs. The Universities are pro islam because of Saudi funding. abc.net.au/news/2008-10-13/32626 |
Title: Re: Conservative Megalomania Post by sir prince duke alevine on Jul 23rd, 2016 at 9:21am ____ wrote on Jul 23rd, 2016 at 9:05am:
Does anyone actually disagree that these dictatorships in the Middle East need to be gotten rid of? But do you understand how your argument is flawed when it comes to you regressive leftists? See, your problem is everything and anything wrong in the world has to somehow be linked to conservatives and to the USA and to the west. Except in this case the west doesn't cause the Saudia Arabia regime. The ideology of Wahhabism wasn't derived from the US or from any western conservative. It was derived from the ideas of Islam. And yet you just can't bring yourself to say this, because doing so would be "islamaphobia" so instead you find some ludicrous suggestion that it must be the US. Sure, the US shouldn't support these tyrants and I'm in full support of them ending it. But likewise, why do you support terrorist organisations in Palestine? Why were you against the removal of sadam Hussein, a tyrant who killed over 2 million people? Why are you against action on IsIs? I doubt very much that the us putting sanctions on Saudi Arabia will do much impact to Saudia Arabia, especially when you have the rest of the Muslim world and China ready to do trades. The reality is this plan will not end date Terrorism. Yes, the US should stop dealing with Saudia Arabia, but it won't stop terrorism because this isn't the core cause of terrorism. I think you're just looking for scape goats because you can't bring yourself to see what the real problem actually is. And no, it's not the west or conservatives in the west. It's also not hypocritical regressive leftists like you, although you lot don't help. the real problem are the ideas of Islam. |
Title: Re: Conservative Megalomania Post by Greens_Win on Jul 23rd, 2016 at 9:51am Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 23rd, 2016 at 9:15am:
When did you complain? The conservatives must boycottSaudi Arabia and start backing a fast transition to a sustainable clean energy sources, not connected with terror. Unless conservatives back terror? |
Title: Re: Conservative Megalomania Post by Greens_Win on Jul 23rd, 2016 at 10:08am sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 23rd, 2016 at 9:21am:
There has been no suggestion from me of replacing governments. The West is not the world's policemen because we are far from pure and correct. 1945, President Roosevelt and King Abdulaziz of Saudi Arabia meet. For oil, the US agreed to protect Wahhabism. This still is the situation and includes Australian conservatives. Conservatives refuse to stop funding terrorism through trade and protecting Saudi Arabia. Conservatives have blood on their hands. ![]() |
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