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Title: Coalition Undermining Starts Post by LEUT Bigvicfella (RTD) on Jul 14th, 2016 at 3:11pm
Eric Abetz, coalition super senator has knives out for Mal. As reported in the USA, no wonder they are only sending out the 2nd in Charge, Obama can't risk a possible knife attack in a Coalition Leadership coup!
"CANBERRA, Australia — Australia’s prime minister came under pressure from his own lawmakers on Thursday to revise his economic agenda after his weakened coalition scraped through one of the nation’s closest ever elections. Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull’s center-right Liberal Party lost at least 14 lawmakers, including some of Turnbull’s key moderate supporters, in knife-edge polls on July 2 that left the coalition with a majority of only one or two seats in the House of Representatives where parties form government. Some mail-in votes are still being counted. Some government lawmakers blame the surprise swing against the government partly on plans to increase taxes on the pension funds of wealthy Australians. Such public criticism of official policy from government lawmakers is rare and proof that the election victory has not healed deep rifts in the administration’s ranks. Liberal Party Senator Eric Abetz, who was demoted from cabinet when Turnbull became prime minister less than a year ago, said Turnbull must consider changing the pension fund tax plans and other policies when government lawmakers meet on Monday. “When you’ve just had such a big kick up the pants as we’ve just had as a coalition ... I think it is worthwhile to ask the question: Why did we hemorrhage ... so many votes, ... is there are lesson to be learnt and would the Australian people actually want us to recalibrate some of those policies?” Abetz told Australian Broadcasting Corp. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/australian-prime-minister-under-pressure-to-revise-agenda/2016/07/13/79349ef6-495e-11e6-8dac-0c6e4accc5b1_story.html |
Title: Re: Coalition Undermining Starts Post by John Smith on Jul 14th, 2016 at 3:20pm
Ohhh don't you worry Vic, they're still warming up
about the OP. Mal would be mad to back down now, he's already suffered the public backlash from this and still won the election. For him to back down would mean it was all for nothing. It would only alienate more moderate voters who are sick of the pandering to the extreme right in the liberal party |
Title: Re: Coalition Undermining Starts Post by macman on Jul 14th, 2016 at 4:07pm
I agree Smithie, I think you are right on all counts. He really must now stand up against the RWNJ's in his party and push through his own agenda.......... or go down trying. At least then people could at least start to respect the man again. And if the nutters get control of the party again and bring back the mad monk, it's still a win for Labor.
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Title: Re: Coalition Undermining Starts Post by Dsmithy70 on Jul 14th, 2016 at 4:22pm
All I'll say is that if the RWNJ's get Abbott back in charge (not out of the question seeing they are being delusional about an Abbott lead election result)
Learn Chinese. Because a sure as an uppity women needs a good slap, Tones will have us patrolling the South China Sea within 10 minutes & 3 gaffs. Military is a great distraction as we saw with that plane over the Ukraine. |
Title: Re: Coalition Undermining Starts Post by LEUT Bigvicfella (RTD) on Jul 14th, 2016 at 6:43pm
A woman married three times walked into a bridal shop one day and told the sales clerk that she was looking for a wedding gown for her fourth wedding.
"Of course, madam," replied the sales clerk, "exactly what type and colour dress are you looking for?" The bride to be said: "A long frilly white dress with a veil." The sales clerk hesitated a bit, then said, "Please don't take this the wrong way, but gowns of that nature are considered more appropriate for brides who are being married the first time - for those who are a bit more innocent, if you know what I mean? Perhaps ivory or sky blue would be nice?" "Well," replied the customer, a little peeved at the clerk's directness, "I can assure you that a white gown would be quite appropriate. Believe it or not, despite all my marriages, I remain as innocent as a first-time bride. You see, my first husband was so excited about our wedding, he died as we were checking into our hotel. My second husband and I got into such a terrible fight in the limo on our way to our honeymoon that we had that wedding annulled immediately and never spoke to each other again." "What about your third husband?" asked the fascinated sales clerk. "That one was a Liberal," said the woman. "Every night for three years, he sat on the edge of the bed and told me how good it was going to be, but nothing ever happened." |
Title: Re: Coalition Undermining Starts Post by John Smith on Jul 15th, 2016 at 8:40pm
Minister insists Liberals united behind Turnbull despite 'noise about the traps'
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-15/liberals-united-behind-turnbull-despite-noise-about-the-traps/7634094 that just about guarantees that turnbull is toast |
Title: Re: Coalition Undermining Starts Post by philperth2010 on Jul 15th, 2016 at 9:03pm
A lot of Turnbull supporters lost their seats so Mal had better watch his back....If the Coalition go back on their election commitments again the electorate will punish them again ensuring they suffer a humiliating defeat at the next election....Turnbull has not got as big a trust issue as Abbott but more back flips and dithering will ensure his time as PM will be short lived!!!
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Title: Re: Coalition Undermining Starts Post by Setanta on Jul 15th, 2016 at 9:19pm Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 14th, 2016 at 4:22pm:
Mothra and some other girls here will be glad to hear that. I get the metaphor but I'm not happy about it's premise. If "Some government lawmakers blame the surprise swing against the government partly on plans to increase taxes on the pension funds of wealthy Australians" they are barking mad. The wealthy only have one vote and I doubt the rest of us put their comfort over ourselves. |
Title: Re: Coalition Undermining Starts Post by John Smith on Jul 18th, 2016 at 10:00am John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2016 at 3:20pm:
Looks like Turnbull is going to cave in to the right. Leader of the House Christopher Pyne also said some of the "finer details" had to be worked out. "There's going to be a party process, a Cabinet process for the superannuation changes," he told Channel Nine this morning. The overall policy remains the same, but in framing that final policy before it goes to legislation, there may well be some tinkering around the edges. That's perfectly normal." http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-18/porter-says-senior-conservatives-back-coalition-super-plan/7637166 I was hoping Turnbull may have grown some balls after winning an election in his own right. But it doesn't look like he has :-? |
Title: Re: Coalition Undermining Starts Post by Bam on Jul 18th, 2016 at 10:11am John Smith wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 10:00am:
Turnbull is a weak leader leading a divided government. |
Title: Re: Coalition Undermining Starts Post by juliar on Jul 18th, 2016 at 12:47pm Drowning Lefties clutching at straws. Then, it is understandable, as their hero Shorty is a big disappointment and, to top it all off, the Labor Party decides to keep this creepy bloke. Shifty Shorty will keep the Labor Party in Opposition for the next 20 years because Shorty is simply unelectable because his shifty mug makes voters feel nervous about trusting something that looks like that. Would you trust this creepy bloke as far as you could throw him ? |
Title: Re: Coalition Undermining Starts Post by LEUT Bigvicfella (RTD) on Jul 18th, 2016 at 3:09pm
ABetz scuttling around like a two headed tassy cockroach. Watch out Mal!
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Title: Re: Coalition Undermining Starts Post by John Smith on Jul 18th, 2016 at 3:11pm Vic wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 3:09pm:
they'll come up with something lame like 'we promised to hold a pleb, we didn't promise to uphold the result of the pleb'. |
Title: Re: Coalition Undermining Starts Post by juliar on Jul 18th, 2016 at 3:12pm
Wot's got the Welfare dependent Lefties really revved up is the expected slashing and burning of Welfare required to save Australia's AAA credit rating.
The WELFARE SCARE to match Labor's Medicare FRAUD ? |
Title: Re: Coalition Undermining Starts Post by LEUT Bigvicfella (RTD) on Jul 18th, 2016 at 3:16pm John Smith wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 3:11pm:
Yep, the backflipping continues and the election result is still a warm, fuzzy, happy feeling for many of us here. super is next - that will REALLY bite |
Title: Re: Coalition Undermining Starts Post by LEUT Bigvicfella (RTD) on Jul 18th, 2016 at 3:18pm
Thank the good Lord they have Pyne - the next PM in waiting
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Title: Re: Coalition Undermining Starts Post by juliar on Jul 18th, 2016 at 3:37pm
To the glorification of Welfare.
One is often amazed at the stupidity of the majority of “Mr & Mrs Average Aussie”. They are maybe the most generous of people and would bend over backwards to assist a battling Aussie. An average Aussie's life is dependent on screwing the welfare system for as much as possible over the longest possible period. They will bitch like a banshee on heat when their welfare payment is reduced by 1 single dollar, (never stand between a welfare bludger and a bucket of money) but are stupid enough to donate 10 or 20 dollars to medical research. The welfare recipient will waste hours in line at the Centrelink Office complaining bitterly that “this waiting is seriously impacting on their leisure time”. When, at last, they do see someone they are told “go away stop wasting their our time”. For those fortunate to be amongst the ranks of the unemployed the idea of actually looking for work is totally abhorrent, foreign to their level of understanding that someone, a tax payer perhaps, has to pay for their worthless existence. Those unfortunate enough to be actually employed are those who are not entitled for welfare anyway nor have they the slightest interest, they would rather be in the pub or surfing. The Federal Government donated more than a billion dollars to medical research last year. Then there are the medical research institutions who go on television pleading to the viewer GIVE, GIVE, GIVE as if we are a bottomless pit of money to be blackmailed into believing they will not be able to find a cure for this or that disease. So how STUPID is the Aussie (1). From where one sits they are as thick as two short planks. They are prepared to donate $100 or 200 because the TV advert makes them feel guilty with some cock and bull story about some person suffering an incurable disease. Then after the act of kindness they discover 90 percent of their donation has been spent on paying for the advert that suckered you in, brilliant!!! Is that stupid ? So how STUPID is the Aussie (2). On average a person would visit the doctor 5 times a year. Had the Senate passed the Abbott Governments $7 co-payment the patient would have forked out a massive $35 a year or the maximum ceiling, whatever that was. Here is the stupidity, they happily donate $100/200 for a Television advert but are NOT willing to pay $35 into a Government controlled medical research fund that would create a whopping $25 BILLION within 4 years, enough money for every medical research institute in the country, money that would NOT be spent on television adverts begging for money. |
Title: Re: Coalition Undermining Starts Post by stunspore on Jul 18th, 2016 at 7:12pm
More rant from Juliar. No need to make any rebuttals - no substance to debate with.
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Title: Re: Coalition Undermining Starts Post by Bam on Jul 18th, 2016 at 7:45pm stunspore wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 7:12pm:
Has anyone else noticed how "juliar" makes so many posts during working hours then stops posting when others get home from work? Either "juliar" is the biggest bludger in the country or "juliar" is paid per post. |
Title: Re: Coalition Undermining Starts Post by John Smith on Jul 20th, 2016 at 12:06pm
and so it continues
Cabinet snub for Tasmania a matter for Prime Minister not local party, Eric Abetz says Senior Liberal powerbroker Eric Abetz wants the Prime Minister to explain why Tasmanians were overlooked for Cabinet positions, including David Bushby. Former tourism minister Richard Colbeck was left out of the Prime Minister's new-look Cabinet announced on Monday afternoon, as counting continues to determine if he is re-elected. Senator Colbeck was relegated down the Liberal Senate ticket in this month's election to what was considered a vulnerable spot. Senator Abetz said Tasmanians holding the Senate presidency (Stephen Parry) and Whip (David Bushby) were expected to keep their positions. He told 936 ABC Hobart the appointment of ministers was the sole prerogative of Malcolm Turnbull and rejected suggestions the party in Tasmania had questions to answer over Senator Colbeck's ticket demotion. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-20/eric-abetz-lashes-out-over-lack-of-tasmanians-ministers/7643710 |
Title: Re: Coalition Undermining Starts Post by Bam on Jul 20th, 2016 at 1:11pm John Smith wrote on Jul 20th, 2016 at 12:06pm:
Not enough good Liberals were elected from Tasmania, obviously. With only about four Tasmanian Liberal MPs to choose from in both houses, the talent pool is pretty thin. |
Title: Re: Coalition Undermining Starts Post by John Smith on Jul 20th, 2016 at 2:01pm
George Christensen threatens to cross Parliament floor over Coalition's proposed superannuation changes
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-20/christensen-would-cross-parliament-floor-over-super-plan/7644658 let the games begin ... and lets see if turnbull has the balls |
Title: Re: Coalition Undermining Starts Post by Aussie on Jul 20th, 2016 at 6:56pm
Ya see, this is where Turdfull will come unstuck. Every backbencher, sitting post election on the barest margin and with a mission can now muscle Turdfull their way, if they get ALP support.
It's gonna be fun watching. |
Title: Re: Coalition Undermining Starts Post by The Grappler on Jul 21st, 2016 at 3:45am John Smith wrote on Jul 20th, 2016 at 2:01pm:
Bring Back Tony! He ...arrr...umm.. he ...eeer... is..ummm..decisive ... and ahhh.. positive! He'll know what to do, captain's hand to the helm.... strong government and a straight course ahead..... kick Jobson Grothe to the sidewalk.... |
Title: Re: Coalition Undermining Starts Post by Bam on Jul 21st, 2016 at 9:26am Aussie wrote on Jul 20th, 2016 at 6:56pm:
Turnbull is a weak leader leading a divided party. |
Title: Re: Coalition Undermining Starts Post by John Smith on Jul 22nd, 2016 at 1:24pm
Push for separate LNP party room in Canberra from Queensland senator Ian MacDonald
Sections of the Liberal National Party (LNP) who are unhappy with Queensland's representation in the Turnbull Government's ministry are aiming to send a message with an unlikely push for a separate party room in Canberra. North Queensland-based Coalition senator Ian Macdonald wants Queensland MPs and senators to sit apart from the Liberal and National party rooms. Although a motion at next month's state convention does not appear to have enough support to pass, and was also voted down at a recent state executive meeting, it is a sign of growing dissatisfaction after Queensland delivered 21 seats out of 30 for the Government at the election. "Queensland has extraordinarily well for the Coalition and always does that but the significance Queensland makes to the national Coalition never seems to be reflected in the portfolios given to Queenslanders," Senator Macdonald said. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-22/push-for-separate-lnp-party-room-in-canberra/7651392 Just how long does turncoat have left? ::) ::) ::) ::) |
Title: Re: Coalition Undermining Starts Post by stunspore on Jul 22nd, 2016 at 1:29pm
So when will the lib supporters come out and say this is all untrue?
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Title: Re: Coalition Undermining Starts Post by longweekend58 on Jul 22nd, 2016 at 2:15pm Vic wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 3:18pm:
I think you mean 76 seats... but of course not. You couldnt be accurate if you tried. |
Title: Re: Coalition Undermining Starts Post by longweekend58 on Jul 22nd, 2016 at 2:17pm Bam wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 7:45pm:
'paid per post' is the kind of thing a narrow-minded, rather dumb, ignorant twit would say. Let the description fit. |
Title: Re: Coalition Undermining Starts Post by longweekend58 on Jul 22nd, 2016 at 2:19pm John Smith wrote on Jul 22nd, 2016 at 1:24pm:
The coalition promotes on the basic of ability. That answers the queenslander's questions. |
Title: Re: Coalition Undermining Starts Post by John Smith on Jul 22nd, 2016 at 2:23pm longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22nd, 2016 at 2:19pm:
that's an obvious lie .... look how great abbotts abilities were as leader :D :D :D :D |
Title: Re: Coalition Undermining Starts Post by longweekend58 on Jul 23rd, 2016 at 9:04am John Smith wrote on Jul 22nd, 2016 at 2:23pm:
took a divided party trailing the polls by a massive margin and took them to a massive election win. your definition of 'leader' and 'success' could do with some revision. |
Title: Re: Coalition Undermining Starts Post by Bam on Jul 23rd, 2016 at 9:20am longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23rd, 2016 at 9:04am:
Abbott was so successful as a leader the Liberals were forced to replace him after less than two years. ::) |
Title: Re: Coalition Undermining Starts Post by John Smith on Jul 23rd, 2016 at 9:27am longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23rd, 2016 at 9:04am:
he didn't lead them to a win, gillard and Rudds infighting led them to a win ... the libs could have had Mirabella as leader and still won that election. You put Abbott as leader based on 'merit' and he proved to be an abject failure. He even managed to make Rudd look good. :D :D |
Title: Re: Coalition Undermining Starts Post by longweekend58 on Jul 23rd, 2016 at 9:28am Bam wrote on Jul 23rd, 2016 at 9:20am:
I think you mean SEVEN YEARS. at least try and hide your ignorance. |
Title: Re: Coalition Undermining Starts Post by longweekend58 on Jul 23rd, 2016 at 9:35am John Smith wrote on Jul 23rd, 2016 at 9:27am:
as always, you show how little you understand of the english langage. LEADER. something you know nothing about because you are and always have been, a follower. From a great distance. You sit in Row ZZ in the stadium of life. |
Title: Re: Coalition Undermining Starts Post by John Smith on Jul 23rd, 2016 at 9:36am longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23rd, 2016 at 9:35am:
keep flapping your gums dopey, it's all you're good for. |
Title: Re: Coalition Undermining Starts Post by Bam on Jul 23rd, 2016 at 12:10pm longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23rd, 2016 at 9:28am:
You're being wilfully obtuse. You know full well he was only PM for less than two years after what you called a "massive election win". |
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