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Message started by greggerypeccary on Jul 12th, 2016 at 1:39pm

Title: Another Underpaid Worker
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 12th, 2016 at 1:39pm

"A Queensland restaurant operator who claimed a worker ate too much food and used too much air conditioning has been fined $21,000 after refusing to reimburse the underpaid staffer."

Fair Work Ombudsman Natalie James said that deliberate exploitation of vulnerable workers would not be tolerated.




Title: Re: Another Underpaid Worker
Post by John Smith on Jul 12th, 2016 at 1:41pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 1:39pm:
ate too much food and used too much air conditioning



friggen ridiculous ...

they should introduce a 3 strikes policy ... get busted deliberately underpaying your staff three times and they take the business and all it's assets off you .

Title: Re: Another Underpaid Worker
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 12th, 2016 at 1:45pm

"The owners of Fire and Stone restaurant at Tangalooma Island Resort on Moreton Island illegally paid a Chinese backpacker $10 an hour in 2014."

As an adult casual employee, she should have been on at least $22 per hour.

What bastards.

Title: Re: Another Underpaid Worker
Post by Gordon on Jul 12th, 2016 at 1:55pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 1:45pm:
"The owners of Fire and Stone restaurant at Tangalooma Island Resort on Moreton Island illegally paid a Chinese backpacker $10 an hour in 2014."

As an adult casual employee, she should have been on at least $22 per hour.

What bastards.


Chinese backpacker?

They're either here just to work or they do those tours where they follow the guy who holds up a flag so they don't get lost.

Title: Re: Another Underpaid Worker
Post by Squire on Jul 12th, 2016 at 3:41pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 1:41pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 1:39pm:
ate too much food and used too much air conditioning


friggen ridiculous ...

they should introduce a 3 strikes policy ... get busted deliberately underpaying your staff three times and they take the business and all it's assets off you .


Devious business operators would ensure the business had no assets so 3 strikes would not work for the real deviants.

Title: Re: Another Underpaid Worker
Post by Honky on Jul 12th, 2016 at 3:45pm

Quote:
The owners of Fire and Stone restaurant at Tangalooma Island Resort on Moreton Island illegally paid a Chinese backpacker $10 an hour in 2014.

It penalised owner/operator Jia Ning Wang $3,500.


Well there's a surprise.

Title: Re: Another Underpaid Worker
Post by John Smith on Jul 12th, 2016 at 3:48pm

Squire wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 3:41pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 1:41pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 1:39pm:
ate too much food and used too much air conditioning


friggen ridiculous ...

they should introduce a 3 strikes policy ... get busted deliberately underpaying your staff three times and they take the business and all it's assets off you .


Devious business operators would ensure the business had no assets so 3 strikes would not work for the real deviants.


the business itself is an asset ... take the restaurant along with all the equipment, the business name, furniture and any money in the accounts etc. whilst still making the owners liable for any liabilities the busness owes at the time they lose it.

the aim is not to take businesses off people, the aim is to incentivise them to play by the rules.

Title: Re: Another Underpaid Worker
Post by John Smith on Jul 12th, 2016 at 3:48pm

... wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 3:45pm:

Quote:
The owners of Fire and Stone restaurant at Tangalooma Island Resort on Moreton Island illegally paid a Chinese backpacker $10 an hour in 2014.

It penalised owner/operator Jia Ning Wang $3,500.


Well there's a surprise.

it was always going to be either someone Chinese or someone from India

Title: Re: Another Underpaid Worker
Post by Squire on Jul 12th, 2016 at 3:57pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 3:48pm:

Squire wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 3:41pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 1:41pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 1:39pm:
ate too much food and used too much air conditioning


friggen ridiculous ...

they should introduce a 3 strikes policy ... get busted deliberately underpaying your staff three times and they take the business and all it's assets off you .


Devious business operators would ensure the business had no assets so 3 strikes would not work for the real deviants.


the business itself is an asset ... take the restaurant along with all the equipment, the business name, furniture and any money in the accounts etc. whilst still making the owners liable for any liabilities the busness owes at the time they lose it.

the aim is not to take businesses off people, the aim is to incentivise them to play by the rules.


Present laws are sufficient.

Shrewd and devious operators would manipulate their financial behavior in those cases so that the bank would be the loser by declaration of bankruptcy.

The last thing Australia needs is more laws and regulations to strangle legitimate business.

Once government takes possession of a business its worth becomes zero. Many small businesses are only solvent because of the work input by the owners and their family. Take that away and the business is worthless.

Title: Re: Another Underpaid Worker
Post by Gordon on Jul 12th, 2016 at 3:57pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 3:48pm:

... wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 3:45pm:

Quote:
The owners of Fire and Stone restaurant at Tangalooma Island Resort on Moreton Island illegally paid a Chinese backpacker $10 an hour in 2014.

It penalised owner/operator Jia Ning Wang $3,500.


Well there's a surprise.

it was always going to be either someone Chinese or someone from India


Isn't that border line racism?  ;)

Title: Re: Another Underpaid Worker
Post by John Smith on Jul 12th, 2016 at 4:00pm

Gordon wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 3:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 3:48pm:

... wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 3:45pm:

Quote:
The owners of Fire and Stone restaurant at Tangalooma Island Resort on Moreton Island illegally paid a Chinese backpacker $10 an hour in 2014.

It penalised owner/operator Jia Ning Wang $3,500.


Well there's a surprise.

it was always going to be either someone Chinese or someone from India


Isn't that border line racism?  ;)


it's reality

Title: Re: Another Underpaid Worker
Post by Gordon on Jul 12th, 2016 at 4:02pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 4:00pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 3:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 3:48pm:

... wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 3:45pm:

Quote:
The owners of Fire and Stone restaurant at Tangalooma Island Resort on Moreton Island illegally paid a Chinese backpacker $10 an hour in 2014.

It penalised owner/operator Jia Ning Wang $3,500.


Well there's a surprise.

it was always going to be either someone Chinese or someone from India


Isn't that border line racism?  ;)


it's reality


So when generalities are expressed about Muslims its.....?

Title: Re: Another Underpaid Worker
Post by John Smith on Jul 12th, 2016 at 4:08pm

Squire wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 3:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 3:48pm:

Squire wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 3:41pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 1:41pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 1:39pm:
ate too much food and used too much air conditioning


friggen ridiculous ...

they should introduce a 3 strikes policy ... get busted deliberately underpaying your staff three times and they take the business and all it's assets off you .


Devious business operators would ensure the business had no assets so 3 strikes would not work for the real deviants.


the business itself is an asset ... take the restaurant along with all the equipment, the business name, furniture and any money in the accounts etc. whilst still making the owners liable for any liabilities the busness owes at the time they lose it.

the aim is not to take businesses off people, the aim is to incentivise them to play by the rules.


Present laws are sufficient.

Shrewd and devious operators would manipulate their financial behavior in those cases so that the bank would be the loser by declaration of bankruptcy.

The last thing Australia needs is more laws and regulations to strangle legitimate business.

Once government takes possession of a business its worth becomes zero. Many small businesses are only solvent because of the work input by the owners and their family. Take that away and the business is worthless.



what bank? I don't plan on involving banks. If the owner borrowed money to finance the business, he still owes the bank the money and that's for them to sort out.

My idea is to keep it simple, the govt. takes the assets, the owner is left with the liabilities. I think many of these scam artist would think twice about underpaying staff if they were going to lose their business (and in most cases their livelihood). Under the current system sure we fine them $20k .... but how much additional profit have they made by underpaying other staff over the years?  Some of these places ripp off staff to the tune of 100k a year  and get away wih it for years .. whoop de doo if they get a 10k fine.  If risk losing their assets there is no longer any incentive for them to rip off staff.

from the business point of view it requires not a second of extra work or expense since they should be paying the correct money anyway. Far to often the staff get ripped off while the owner gets rich. I don't mind owners getting rich, but not at someone else's expense


Title: Re: Another Underpaid Worker
Post by John Smith on Jul 12th, 2016 at 4:09pm

Gordon wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 4:02pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 4:00pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 3:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 3:48pm:

... wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 3:45pm:

Quote:
The owners of Fire and Stone restaurant at Tangalooma Island Resort on Moreton Island illegally paid a Chinese backpacker $10 an hour in 2014.

It penalised owner/operator Jia Ning Wang $3,500.


Well there's a surprise.

it was always going to be either someone Chinese or someone from India


Isn't that border line racism?  ;)


it's reality


So when generalities are expressed about Muslims its.....?


Islamaphobic  :D :D :D :D






and I didn't say my comment wasn't racist

Title: Re: Another Underpaid Worker
Post by Gordon on Jul 12th, 2016 at 4:19pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 4:09pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 4:02pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 4:00pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 3:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 3:48pm:

... wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 3:45pm:

Quote:
The owners of Fire and Stone restaurant at Tangalooma Island Resort on Moreton Island illegally paid a Chinese backpacker $10 an hour in 2014.

It penalised owner/operator Jia Ning Wang $3,500.


Well there's a surprise.

it was always going to be either someone Chinese or someone from India


Isn't that border line racism?  ;)


it's reality


So when generalities are expressed about Muslims its.....?


Islamaphobic  :D :D :D :D






and I didn't say my comment wasn't racist



If I had 100 post done, I'd post a gif of someone scratching their head.

Title: Re: Another Underpaid Worker
Post by Valkie on Jul 12th, 2016 at 4:29pm
And our government want us to believe that business is honest and will work to ensure that all workers are well paid , adequately compensated for their work and treated fairly.

Yeah Righttttttttttttt.


Title: Re: Another Underpaid Worker
Post by Squire on Jul 12th, 2016 at 4:40pm

Gordon wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 4:19pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 4:09pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 4:02pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 4:00pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 3:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 3:48pm:

... wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 3:45pm:

Quote:
The owners of Fire and Stone restaurant at Tangalooma Island Resort on Moreton Island illegally paid a Chinese backpacker $10 an hour in 2014.

It penalised owner/operator Jia Ning Wang $3,500.


Well there's a surprise.

it was always going to be either someone Chinese or someone from India


Isn't that border line racism?  ;)


it's reality


So when generalities are expressed about Muslims its.....?


Islamaphobic  :D :D :D :D






and I didn't say my comment wasn't racist



If I had 100 post done, I'd post a gif of someone scratching their head.


You are already down to the bone. Fifty millimetre more and you will break the vacuum.

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