Switzerland has adopted a position on citizenship that requires applicants to demonstrate a high degree of integration into its society. They must not only have the language skills but also an acceptance e & understanding of Swiss culture.

In a recent case, citizenship was denied for 2 Muslim girls who would not take part in co-ed swimming classes, part of a compulsory curriculum.
Non-participation on religious grounds was regarded as evidence of insufficient integration.

They are taking a hard line on such issues.

bogarde73 wrote on Jul 5^th, 2016 at 7:12am:

Switzerland has adopted a position on citizenship that requires applicants to demonstrate a high degree of integration into its society. They must not only have the language skills but also an acceptance e & understanding of Swiss culture. In a recent case, citizenship was denied for 2 Muslim girls who would not take part in co-ed swimming classes, part of a compulsory curriculum. Non-participation on religious grounds was regarded as evidence of insufficient integration. They are taking a hard line on such issues.

Denial of citizenship on such flimsy grounds is a breach of EU human rights law. I bet no other ethnic group with customs divergent to those of Switzerland were denied citizenship.

The Swiss have a centuries-old track record of pragmatism and making sensible decisions. World leaders would be wise to emulate them.

Squire wrote on Jul 6^th, 2016 at 12:15am:

bogarde73 wrote on Jul 5th, 2016 at 7:12am: Switzerland has adopted a position on citizenship that requires applicants to demonstrate a high degree of integration into its society. They must not only have the language skills but also an acceptance e & understanding of Swiss culture. In a recent case, citizenship was denied for 2 Muslim girls who would not take part in co-ed swimming classes, part of a compulsory curriculum. Non-participation on religious grounds was regarded as evidence of insufficient integration. They are taking a hard line on such issues. Denial of citizenship on such flimsy grounds is a breach of EU human rights law. I bet no other ethnic group with customs divergent to those of Switzerland were denied citizenship.

Yes, and we have all seen what a spectacular success that law has been.

Was going to make a similar comment albeit less polite.

Squire wrote on Jul 6^th, 2016 at 12:15am:

Denial of citizenship on such flimsy grounds is a breach of EU human rights law. I bet no other ethnic group with customs divergent to those of Switzerland were denied citizenship.

No migrant group other than Muslims seek to colonise so thoroughly as they do. They are the most exclusionary of all the migrant groups, with it being a religious imperative with them that they mustn't marry outside of Islam lest this have a de-colonising and assimilating effect upon their community.

They are culturally aggressive, insular, and highly resistant to making concessions in order to accommodate Western values. To further their ends towards more secure colonisation of their host country, even the most intelligent and educated among them are able to rationalise criminal activities as we have seen with the government funding of Australia's biggest Islamic schools. 

At the time of the invasion of Merkel's Muslim madness it was reported that no less than 128 mosques were in the process of being built throughout Germany. It's the development of an alien nation growing within the body of the host country like something out of a science fiction horror movie starring Sigourney Weaver.

One more time for the slow learners at the back of the class ...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry3NzkAOo3s

bogarde73 wrote on Jul 5^th, 2016 at 7:12am:

Switzerland has adopted a position on citizenship that requires applicants to demonstrate a high degree of integration into its society. They must not only have the language skills but also an acceptance e & understanding of Swiss culture. In a recent case, citizenship was denied for 2 Muslim girls who would not take part in co-ed swimming classes, part of a compulsory curriculum. Non-participation on religious grounds was regarded as evidence of insufficient integration. They are taking a hard line on such issues.

At last, they are using common sense.

Yet another Muslim alien emerges from its Christian host to wreak havoc on behalf of the Prophet.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsD6AL3HJtM

bogarde73 wrote on Jul 5^th, 2016 at 7:12am:

In a recent case, citizenship was denied for 2 Muslim girls who would not take part in co-ed swimming classes, part of a compulsory curriculum.

What were their names?

And, which school was it?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6^th, 2016 at 12:39pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Jul 5th, 2016 at 7:12am: In a recent case, citizenship was denied for 2 Muslim girls who would not take part in co-ed swimming classes, part of a compulsory curriculum. What were their names? And, which school was it?

You've got him now.

You're toast, bogarde.

Before we roll the welding machine with its electrodes into your cell, it might be more comfortable for you to confess NOW that you invented this improbable scenario in order to spread Far Rightwing hatred and alarm in the community.

They're talking about you down at Sydney's Lakemba Mosque.

"A senior Muslim leader has called out the growth of Islamophobia and far-right hate groups in Australia at a gathering of thousands of Muslims at Lakemba Mosque, in Sydney's south-west, to mark the end of Ramadan.

Samier Dandan, president of the Lebanese Muslim Association, told the crowds that the rise of right-wing political parties in Australia was a major concern, particularly in the light of the weekend's election results"

SHAME, Bogie ... SHAME!

link

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 6^th, 2016 at 12:54pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6th, 2016 at 12:39pm: bogarde73 wrote on Jul 5th, 2016 at 7:12am: In a recent case, citizenship was denied for 2 Muslim girls who would not take part in co-ed swimming classes, part of a compulsory curriculum. What were their names? And, which school was it? You've got him now.

Possibly.

This reminds me of the "Muslims have banned Christmas" bullshit we get every year.

I've searched a few news sites and I can't find the names of the girls anywhere, or the name of the school.

Funny, that.

Zat is because youz are offs your medications. Please return to ze hospital so vee can redose you correctly.

Squire wrote on Jul 6^th, 2016 at 12:15am:

bogarde73 wrote on Jul 5th, 2016 at 7:12am: Switzerland has adopted a position on citizenship that requires applicants to demonstrate a high degree of integration into its society. They must not only have the language skills but also an acceptance e & understanding of Swiss culture. In a recent case, citizenship was denied for 2 Muslim girls who would not take part in co-ed swimming classes, part of a compulsory curriculum. Non-participation on religious grounds was regarded as evidence of insufficient integration. They are taking a hard line on such issues. Denial of citizenship on such flimsy grounds is a breach of EU human rights law. I bet no other ethnic group with customs divergent to those of Switzerland were denied citizenship.

Switzerland is not in the EU.... ::)

The girls' names?

The name of the school?


http://labs.openviewpartners.com/files/2013/08/anyone.jpg

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6^th, 2016 at 1:29pm:

The girls' names? The name of the school?

You are repeating yourself again Greg. I fear your condition is getting worse.

Gregs Psychiatrist wrote on Jul 6^th, 2016 at 1:35pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6th, 2016 at 1:29pm: The girls' names? The name of the school? You are repeating yourself again Greg. I fear your condition is getting worse.

No hope for the irritating little haemorrhoid.......

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6^th, 2016 at 1:03pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 6th, 2016 at 12:54pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6th, 2016 at 12:39pm: bogarde73 wrote on Jul 5th, 2016 at 7:12am: In a recent case, citizenship was denied for 2 Muslim girls who would not take part in co-ed swimming classes, part of a compulsory curriculum. What were their names? And, which school was it? You've got him now. Possibly. This reminds me of the "Muslims have banned Christmas" bullshit we get every year.

I agree. My Muslim workmates used to wish me a Happy Christmas every year.


greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6^th, 2016 at 1:03pm:

I've searched a few news sites and I can't find the names of the girls anywhere, or the name of the school. Funny, that.

Bogarde is not the type to invent these stories.

I'll check it myself.

(Two minutes later)



link

"In the end, his eldest daughter was granted the right to wear a veil to school by Switzerland's highest court on the grounds of religious freedom".

And isn't it always the case that the 'Highest Court' throws out earlier judgments by the lower courts and grants these Muslims their wishes - with once again the tail is seen to be wagging the dog?

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 6^th, 2016 at 2:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6th, 2016 at 1:03pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 6th, 2016 at 12:54pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6th, 2016 at 12:39pm: bogarde73 wrote on Jul 5th, 2016 at 7:12am: In a recent case, citizenship was denied for 2 Muslim girls who would not take part in co-ed swimming classes, part of a compulsory curriculum. What were their names? And, which school was it? You've got him now. Possibly. This reminds me of the "Muslims have banned Christmas" bullshit we get every year. I agree. My Muslim workmates used to wish me a Happy Christmas every year. greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6th, 2016 at 1:03pm: I've searched a few news sites and I can't find the names of the girls anywhere, or the name of the school. Funny, that. Bogarde is not the type to invent these stories. I'll check, myself.

I'm not suggesting that bogarde invented the story.

AiA wrote on Jul 6^th, 2016 at 1:12am:

The Swiss have a centuries-old track record of pragmatism and making sensible decisions. World leaders would be wise to emulate them.

Wise world leaders!!

LOL

Like checking your chooks beaks, and expecting you might find hens teeth!

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6^th, 2016 at 2:51pm:

I'm not suggesting that bogarde invented the story.

So you just wanted to stick your head in front of the camera, is that it?

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 6^th, 2016 at 3:59pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6th, 2016 at 2:51pm: I'm not suggesting that bogarde invented the story. So you just wanted to stick your head in front of the camera, is that it?

I'm not suggesting that bogarde invented the story.

No names (girls or school) suggests to me that it may have been fabricated by someone else, though.

Quote:

Switzerland has rejected citizenship requests from two Muslim girls for refusing to take part in swimming lessons with boys at school. The 12- and 14-year-old will no longer be considered for naturalised citizenship because they have not complied with the school curriculum, authorities in Basel said. The girls are understood to have refused to take part in school swimming lessons because boys were present and their religion forbade that form of interaction, according to USA Today. Their applications for Swiss passports have now been overturned. Meanwhile, the father of two other girls who refused to let his daughters swim with boys was fined $4,000 swiss francs (around £2,900) by a district court in another part of the country. Stefan Wehrle, president of the country's naturalisation committee, told TV station SRF that "whoever doesn't fulfil these conditions, violates the law and therefore cannot be naturalised." The father, who was fined by a court in Altstaeten in the north-east of the country, had been in trouble with authorities previously for requiring his daughters to wear head veils in school, according to The Local. In the end, his eldest daughter was granted the right to wear a veil to school by Switzerland's highest court on the grounds of religious freedom. Parts of the Qu'ran and the collection of oral traditions laid out in the Hadith, which follow the example of the Prophet Mohammed, advise Muslims on interactions between men and women. These include unrelated men and women avoiding physical contact and women being dressed modestly. The explicit requirement to cover the head and face is not in the Qu'ran. The two cases in Switzerland are the latest in a series of refusals by authorities to grant immigrants citizenship for cultural reasons. Two Muslim brothers who refused to shake hands with their female teacher on the grounds of religious restriction were soon the centre of widespread media coverage and public uproar. The boys' father, an imam at the Basel mosque, immediately had his naturalisation request suspended by authorities, while any parent or guardian who refuses to shake a teacher's hand can now expect a $5,000 fine. Yet the case is not always limited to instances of religious difference. The resident-led committees which lead recommendations for immigrants in their communities gaining citizenship have previously rejected applications before on the grounds of people not seeming "Swiss enough". One immigrant family from Kosovo who had been in the country for a decade was told their tendency to wear shabby clothing in the street and not greet passersby was proof of their lack of integration. And an American who had lived in the country for 40 years had his application refused after being unable to name any Swiss friends or nearby villages. Switzerland has been a top destination for immigrants coming to Europe and, along with Australia, it has the highest proportion of immigrants in the developed world. But the country has also been accused of outright racism after 60 per cent of Swiss citizens voted in 2009 "against the construction of minarets" - the towers that deliver the call to prayer on either side of mosques - in the country. Britain has said before that it would like controlled immigration as in Switzerland or Australia. As a consequence of ending the free movement of people, Switzerland lost full access to the Single Market.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/switzerland-citizenship-muslim-girls-refuse-swim-boys-islam-immigration-europe-a7111601.html

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6^th, 2016 at 1:29pm:

The girls' names? The name of the school?

If you're questioning whether the story is legitimate, five seconds of Googling would have provided your answer:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/switzerland-citizenship-muslim-girls-refuse-swim-boys-islam-immigration-europe-a7111601.html
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/06/28/swiss-deny-citizenship-muslim-girls-who-balked-swimming-boys/86469658/
http://time.com/4386984/muslim-girls-denied-swiss-citizenship-for-refusing-to-swim-with-boys/
http://nytlive.nytimes.com/womenintheworld/2016/06/29/muslim-girls-who-refuse-to-swim-with-boys-denied-swiss-citizenship/
http://qz.com/720908/switzerland-denied-citizenship-to-muslim-girls-who-refused-to-join-co-ed-swimming-lessons/


Those publications are generally regarded as credible, no?

You could also have found out why the girls' names were not readily available. From USA Today:
"The girls, whose names were not disclosed, said their religion prevents them from participating in compulsory swimming lessons with males in the pool at the same time."

Time goes a bit farther, identifying the city:
"The 12- and 14-year-old girls, who live in Basel and have not been named, say their religion forbids them from the activity."

Leaving out the names is standard media practice when reporting on controversial and sensitive stories involving minor children. For instance, you're not going to get the names of the 1,400 child rape victims of Rotherham, either. 

Just some of the tens of thousands at Lakemba today celebrating Eid.

Anyone who says we need more in Sydney needs to move from their safe little backwater abodes and live here for awhile or, alternatively,  just stick a sock in it   :)

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The4thEstate wrote on Jul 6^th, 2016 at 5:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6th, 2016 at 1:29pm: The girls' names? The name of the school? If you're questioning whether the story is legitimate, five seconds of Googling would have provided your answer:

I did at least 15 minutes of googling.

Result: no names of the girls, and no name of the school.

I smell a rat.

The4thEstate wrote on Jul 6^th, 2016 at 5:49pm:

You could also have found out why the girls' names were not readily available. From USA Today: "The girls, whose names were not disclosed, said their religion prevents them from participating in compulsory swimming lessons with males in the pool at the same time."

Is English your first language?

That doesn't say why their names were not disclosed.

All it says is, their names were not disclosed.

If you know why their names were not disclosed, please share it with us all.

Similarly, if you know why the name of the school hasn't been disclosed, please share.

As I said: I smell a rat here.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6^th, 2016 at 7:26pm:

The4thEstate wrote on Jul 6th, 2016 at 5:49pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6th, 2016 at 1:29pm: The girls' names? The name of the school? If you're questioning whether the story is legitimate, five seconds of Googling would have provided your answer: I did at least 15 minutes of googling. Result: no names of the girls, and no name of the school. I smell a rat.

It has already been pointed out to you that it is standard procedure to hide the names of minors, or any other detail that may identify them, involved in sensitive issues.  ::)  Your conspiracy theory is thus destroyed.    ::)

Belgarion wrote on Jul 6^th, 2016 at 7:33pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6th, 2016 at 7:26pm: The4thEstate wrote on Jul 6th, 2016 at 5:49pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6th, 2016 at 1:29pm: The girls' names? The name of the school? If you're questioning whether the story is legitimate, five seconds of Googling would have provided your answer: I did at least 15 minutes of googling. Result: no names of the girls, and no name of the school. I smell a rat. It has already been pointed out to you that it is standard procedure to hide the names of minors, or any other detail that may identify them, involved in sensitive issues.  ::)  Your conspiracy theory is thus destroyed.    ::)

No, it isn't.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6^th, 2016 at 7:31pm:

As I said: I smell a rat here.

Confucius say nose too close to arse.

lee wrote on Jul 6^th, 2016 at 7:39pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6th, 2016 at 7:31pm: As I said: I smell a rat here. Confucius say nose too close to arse.

Confucius say woman who fly plane upside down have crack up.

Are you challenging my veracity Greg?
Didn't I give the source as WND or was it Breitbart.
Two reliable sources. None of this stuff gets into mainstream media which are all staffed and edited by the products of leftwing journalism schools.

This is not by any means the first instance of the tough Swiss attitude to Muslim intrusions. I have reported one or two in the past.

bogarde73 wrote on Jul 6^th, 2016 at 8:05pm:

Are you challenging my veracity Greg?

No.

You're just the messenger.

I have my doubts about the message, though.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6^th, 2016 at 8:07pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Jul 6th, 2016 at 8:05pm: Are you challenging my veracity Greg? No. You're just the messenger. I have my doubts about the message, though.

Because in WA they routinely release names, schools etc. /sarc

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6^th, 2016 at 7:31pm:

Is English your first language?

Are you capable of reading an entire post without getting hopelessly distracted by your own puerile obsession with one-upmanship?

Apparently not, as we shall see.


greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6^th, 2016 at 7:31pm:

I did at least 15 minutes of googling. Result: no names of the girls, and no name of the school.

So ... what ESL course did you graduate from?

Let's go over what I originally said, this time using simple English words that perhaps even you can understand:

The4thEstate wrote on Jul 6^th, 2016 at 5:49pm:

If you're questioning whether the story is legitimate, five seconds of Googling would have provided your answer:

Note that I never said five seconds of Googling, or even 15, would provide the names of the girls or the school. I said it would answer the question of whether or not the story was legitimate.

You keep insisting that you "smell a rat," but y'know what? When it comes to credibility, if it's a choice between your sense of smell versus the New York Times, Time magazine, USA Today et al., I'm afraid you and your nose come in a distant second.



greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6^th, 2016 at 7:31pm:

That doesn't say why their names were not disclosed. All it says is, their names were not disclosed.

Well of course my links don't say why their names were not disclosed. I never promised that they would.

Here's what I actually said:

The4thEstate wrote on Jul 6^th, 2016 at 5:49pm:

You could also have found out why the girls' names were not readily available.

And the reason the girls' names were not readily available from any online media source is because -- wait for it! -- their names were never disclosed to the media in the first place. 



greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6^th, 2016 at 7:31pm:

If you know why their names were not disclosed, please share it with us all.

I covered that one, too. Get your yellow notepad and No. 2 pencil ready, because here comes my answer for the second time:


The4thEstate wrote on Jul 6^th, 2016 at 5:49pm:

Leaving out the names is standard media practice when reporting on controversial and sensitive stories involving minor children.

And here's an unadvertised bonus: The same rule applies to using geographic information pertaining to children. As the Online News Association puts it:
"If it doesn’t compromise the story, consider leaving out the name of a young person’s school, where he works or the specific suburb where he lives." --
http://ethics.journalists.org/topics/children-coverage-images-and-interviews/

Class dismissed!

The4thEstate wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 1:09pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6th, 2016 at 7:31pm: Is English your first language? Are you capable of reading an entire post without getting hopelessly distracted by your own puerile obsession with one-upmanship? Apparently not, as we shall see. greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6th, 2016 at 7:31pm: I did at least 15 minutes of googling. Result: no names of the girls, and no name of the school. So ... what ESL course did you graduate from? Let's go over what I originally said, this time using simple English words that perhaps even you can understand: The4thEstate wrote on Jul 6th, 2016 at 5:49pm: If you're questioning whether the story is legitimate, five seconds of Googling would have provided your answer: Note that I never said five seconds of Googling, or even 15, would provide the names of the girls or the school. I said it would answer the question of whether or not the story was legitimate. You keep insisting that you "smell a rat," but y'know what? When it comes to credibility, if it's a choice between your sense of smell versus the New York Times, Time magazine, USA Today et al., I'm afraid you and your nose come in a distant second. greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6th, 2016 at 7:31pm: That doesn't say why their names were not disclosed. All it says is, their names were not disclosed. Well of course my links don't say why their names were not disclosed. I never promised that they would. Here's what I actually said: The4thEstate wrote on Jul 6th, 2016 at 5:49pm: You could also have found out why the girls' names were not readily available. And the reason the girls' names were not readily available from any online media source is because -- wait for it! -- their names were never disclosed to the media in the first place.  greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6th, 2016 at 7:31pm: If you know why their names were not disclosed, please share it with us all. I covered that one, too. Get your yellow notepad and No. 2 pencil ready, because here comes my answer for the second time: The4thEstate wrote on Jul 6th, 2016 at 5:49pm: Leaving out the names is standard media practice when reporting on controversial and sensitive stories involving minor children. And here's an unadvertised bonus: The same rule applies to using geographic information pertaining to children. As the Online News Association puts it: "If it doesn’t compromise the story, consider leaving out the name of a young person’s school, where he works or the specific suburb where he lives." -- http://ethics.journalists.org/topics/children-coverage-images-and-interviews/ Class dismissed!

None of which proves that the story is legitimate.

No names, no details.

I smell a rat.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 1:11pm:

None of which proves that the story is legitimate. No names, no details. I smell a rat.

Smell what you like. The bottom line is, who besides you thinks your demands for personal information about the girls are even reasonable?

That's not how the media works with regard to sensitive stories about minor children. But of course, you wouldn't know that, having no more inside knowledge of journalism than a drunk in the bleachers has about football.

So feel free to complain to the New York Times, Time magazine or USA Today, and be sure to let us know how seriously they take your request.

Lefties enabling and supporting and encouraging Muslims to continue their faith is basically munchausens syndrome by proxy

The4thEstate wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 4:51pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 7th, 2016 at 1:11pm: None of which proves that the story is legitimate. No names, no details. I smell a rat. Smell what you like. The bottom line is, who besides you thinks your demands for personal information about the girls are even reasonable?

I've made no demands.

You're becoming hysterical.

Squire wrote on Jul 6^th, 2016 at 12:15am:

bogarde73 wrote on Jul 5th, 2016 at 7:12am: Switzerland has adopted a position on citizenship that requires applicants to demonstrate a high degree of integration into its society. They must not only have the language skills but also an acceptance e & understanding of Swiss culture. In a recent case, citizenship was denied for 2 Muslim girls who would not take part in co-ed swimming classes, part of a compulsory curriculum. Non-participation on religious grounds was regarded as evidence of insufficient integration. They are taking a hard line on such issues. Denial of citizenship on such flimsy grounds is a breach of EU human rights law. I bet no other ethnic group with customs divergent to those of Switzerland were denied citizenship.

No other culture insists on gender segregation in Switzerland - which is not an EU member state so the EU human rights laws do not apply anyway.

Squire wrote on Jul 6^th, 2016 at 12:15am:

bogarde73 wrote on Jul 5th, 2016 at 7:12am: Switzerland has adopted a position on citizenship that requires applicants to demonstrate a high degree of integration into its society. They must not only have the language skills but also an acceptance e & understanding of Swiss culture. In a recent case, citizenship was denied for 2 Muslim girls who would not take part in co-ed swimming classes, part of a compulsory curriculum. Non-participation on religious grounds was regarded as evidence of insufficient integration. They are taking a hard line on such issues. Denial of citizenship on such flimsy grounds is a breach of EU human rights law. I bet no other ethnic group with customs divergent to those of Switzerland were denied citizenship.

Luckily for Switzerland then that it's not in the EU.

The Swiss canton of Ticino has imposed its first two fines for violation of the burka ban that came into force on July 1.
Way to go.

The Saudi embassy has issued a warning to its citizens travelling in the area, urging them to obey the.law.
(RT)

Deportation is the answer. The law-breaker and her entire extended family.

Fines and jail-time does nothing to remove these dysfunctional religious maniacs from Western countries.   

As usual Herb, you can be relied on to put your finger on the solution.
Way to go.

GordyL wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 5:36pm:

Lefties enabling and supporting and encouraging Muslims to continue their faith is basically munchausens syndrome by proxy

Well, here's a twist on that theme : While being described as 'animals' by the German judge, Muslim sex attackers have nevertheless gone skipping merrily away from the court in a mood of happy jubilation upon learning that Western justice is sensitive to multicultural diversity.


link

bogarde73 wrote on Jul 9^th, 2016 at 1:59pm:

As usual Herb, you can be relied on to put your finger on the solution. Way to go.

Here in Sydney, Muslim youths told pollsters that their greatest fear is deportation for committing crime.

It's the one thing that gets their attention. Jail holds absolute no terrors for them because a score of 'brothers' is always waiting to take them under their wing.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 9^th, 2016 at 3:02pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Jul 9th, 2016 at 1:59pm: As usual Herb, you can be relied on to put your finger on the solution. Way to go. Here in Sydney, Muslim youths told pollsters that their greatest fear is deportation for committing crime. It's the one thing that gets their attention. Jail holds absolute no terrors for them because a score of 'brothers' is always waiting to take them under their wing.

Those born here can't be deported. They are about 5000% more Australian than Herbert and its ilk.

So you would maintain that they all accept Australian cultural values? That a lot of them don't hanker after sharia law? That they believe in equality of women? That there is not a lot of support for the ideals of ISIS?

Squire wrote on Jul 9^th, 2016 at 3:23pm:

Those born here can't be deported. They are about 5000% more Australian than Herbert and its ilk.

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Quote:

"But this one is different. If you are a dual citizen or a foreign national, you really should care. This law doesn't create new crimes you're not planning to commit; it takes away something you probably care about - your identity as an Australian - automatically and in circumstances which will surprise you. The Bureau of Statistics says that 27.7 per cent of the current Australian population (6.4 million people) was born overseas. Add to that number those who were born here but hold dual citizenship - there are no current stats on this but in 2000 it was estimated at 4-5 million. Those two figures overlap, so conservatively perhaps a third of us are either foreign citizens or foreign nationals. Keep reading".

link

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 8^th, 2016 at 6:25pm:

Deportation is the answer. The law-breaker and her entire extended family. Fines and jail-time does nothing to remove these dysfunctional religious maniacs from Western countries.

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Frank wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 6:33pm:

Squire wrote on Jul 6th, 2016 at 12:15am: bogarde73 wrote on Jul 5th, 2016 at 7:12am: Switzerland has adopted a position on citizenship that requires applicants to demonstrate a high degree of integration into its society. They must not only have the language skills but also an acceptance e & understanding of Swiss culture. In a recent case, citizenship was denied for 2 Muslim girls who would not take part in co-ed swimming classes, part of a compulsory curriculum. Non-participation on religious grounds was regarded as evidence of insufficient integration. They are taking a hard line on such issues. Denial of citizenship on such flimsy grounds is a breach of EU human rights law. I bet no other ethnic group with customs divergent to those of Switzerland were denied citizenship. No other culture insists on gender segregation in Switzerland - which is not an EU member state so the EU human rights laws do not apply anyway.

So, Sweden is the master of their own destiny.
As is england now.

Good

Squire wrote on Jul 9^th, 2016 at 3:23pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 9th, 2016 at 3:02pm: bogarde73 wrote on Jul 9th, 2016 at 1:59pm: As usual Herb, you can be relied on to put your finger on the solution. Way to go. Here in Sydney, Muslim youths told pollsters that their greatest fear is deportation for committing crime. It's the one thing that gets their attention. Jail holds absolute no terrors for them because a score of 'brothers' is always waiting to take them under their wing. Those born here can't be deported. They are about 5000% more Australian than Herbert and its ilk.

You seem to be cheering for the Muslims to have their way in Australian society.

Are you saying that you'd prefer living in a culture where women are subjected to honor killings and FGM, where gays can face execution, and where religions other than Islam have no right to exist?

Look around -- that's how it can be in majority-Muslim countries. So why would you stick up for that kind of 7th-century culture instead of joining the rest of us in saying that Western values and freedoms must prevail, even if that means deporting people who seek to undermine them?