Well poll results are coming in, and while still early, it looks like a shock win for the leave camp. As usual in Britain, the polls have been horribly wrong.

Where to for the UK from here? Politically, the first order of business will be the resignation of Cameron (whether forced or voluntary). I expect that to happen within days. Also the torries may very well split after this.

What about the economy? Well first Britain has to actually exit first - this is just a referendum to guage "the people's" opinion. But one would assume negotations for an actual exit will follow shortly. And then? UK will have to negotiate new trade deals I guess. I wouldn't be surprised actually if the negotations with the EU that follow will make for such a watered-down "Brexit" - that not a lot will really change. Its likely that things like travel and immigration arrangements won't be a lot different.

Also, pound has already seen its largest drop since 2008.

"A victory for ordinary, decent people!" Nigel Farage, just now.

The political elites, the Eurocrats, the money manipulators and other parasites are all shitting themselves. Listening to the media they are mostly distraught by the result, already predicting doom and gloom economically.

Too soon to tell Gandalf.

Anyway, even if the vote goes Leave, Plan B sees legal manouvres by Brussels to negate the vote.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 1:00pm:

Well poll results are coming in, and while still early, it looks like a shock win for the leave camp. As usual in Britain, the polls have been horribly wrong. Where to for the UK from here? Politically, the first order of business will be the resignation of Cameron (whether forced or voluntary). I expect that to happen within days. Also the torries may very well split after this. What about the economy? Well first Britain has to actually exit first - this is just a referendum to guage "the people's" opinion. But one would assume negotations for an actual exit will follow shortly. And then? UK will have to negotiate new trade deals I guess. I wouldn't be surprised actually if the negotations with the EU that follow will make for such a watered-down "Brexit" - that not a lot will really change. Its likely that things like travel and immigration arrangements won't be a lot different. Also, pound has already seen its largest drop since 2008.

Wow. You really think Cameron will go?

I agree that there will be a watered down Brexit, but this decision will probably take other countries out - especially Denmark, who only joined the EC to trade with Britain.

In the end, Britain's departure will probably only prove symbolic for Britain, but this symbolism will take others out of the EU too.

GDP will drop but it may mean a return to the an england more aligned with enid blyton and the bronte sisters.
Quaint

bogarde73 wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 1:12pm:

Too soon to tell Gandalf. Anyway, even if the vote goes Leave, Plan B sees legal manouvres by Brussels to negate the vote.

That's right. Because as we all know, the EU can overrule sovereign laws and legal rulings, popular elections, and now, popular referenda.

The EU will just order Britain to stay in, ja?

Arbeit macht frei, nein?

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 1:14pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 1:00pm: Well poll results are coming in, and while still early, it looks like a shock win for the leave camp. As usual in Britain, the polls have been horribly wrong. Where to for the UK from here? Politically, the first order of business will be the resignation of Cameron (whether forced or voluntary). I expect that to happen within days. Also the torries may very well split after this. What about the economy? Well first Britain has to actually exit first - this is just a referendum to guage "the people's" opinion. But one would assume negotations for an actual exit will follow shortly. And then? UK will have to negotiate new trade deals I guess. I wouldn't be surprised actually if the negotations with the EU that follow will make for such a watered-down "Brexit" - that not a lot will really change. Its likely that things like travel and immigration arrangements won't be a lot different. Also, pound has already seen its largest drop since 2008. Wow. You really think Cameron will go? I agree that there will be a watered down Brexit, but this decision will probably take other countries out - especially Denmark, who only joined the EC to trade with Britain. In the end, Britain's departure will probably only prove symbolic for Britain, but this symbolism will take others out of the EU too.

Interestingy enough, upon entry, both Britain and Denmark negotiated an exemption agreement with the EU regarding retaining their own currencies.

Enid Blyton was a pretty screwed up & nasty.person you know.

aquascoot wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 1:16pm:

GDP will drop but it may mean a return to the an england more aligned with enid blyton and the bronte sisters. Quaint

No, Britain will keep its migration treaties. All those Poles and Romanians will stay. The sentiments the exit campaign honed in on will be proved null and void. Those Gypsies aren't going anywhere.

Alas, Aquascoot, Mother won't be returning to the 18th century any time soon.

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 1:17pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 1:12pm: Too soon to tell Gandalf. Anyway, even if the vote goes Leave, Plan B sees legal manouvres by Brussels to negate the vote. That's right. Because as we all know, the EU can overrule sovereign laws and legal rulings, popular elections, and now, popular referenda. The EU will just order Britain to stay in, ja? Arbeit macht frei, nein?

You make your little jokes Karnak but see if I'm not right in the end

Hate to say I told everyone but this Hicks vote was cast over a week ago....

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So far sanity is prevailing

bogarde73 wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 1:21pm:

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 1:17pm: bogarde73 wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 1:12pm: Too soon to tell Gandalf. Anyway, even if the vote goes Leave, Plan B sees legal manouvres by Brussels to negate the vote. That's right. Because as we all know, the EU can overrule sovereign laws and legal rulings, popular elections, and now, popular referenda. The EU will just order Britain to stay in, ja? Arbeit macht frei, nein? You make your little jokes Karnak but see if I'm not right in the end

We're all right in the end, Bogie.

Right about what?

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 1:21pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 1:16pm: GDP will drop but it may mean a return to the an england more aligned with enid blyton and the bronte sisters. Quaint No, Britain will keep its migration treaties. All those Poles and Romanians will stay. The sentiments the exit campaign honed in on will be proved null and void. Those Gypsies aren't going anywhere. Alas, Aquascoot, Mother won't be returning to the 18th century any time soon.

Dammit,
I'll just have to watch endless hours of Downton Abbey and pretend i am visiting the empire

bogarde73 wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 1:19pm:

Enid Blyton was a pretty screwed up & nasty.person you know.

my world is shattered.
I tried to read dickens but he took 6 pages to describe someone making a cup of tea

aquascoot wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 1:24pm:

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 1:21pm: aquascoot wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 1:16pm: GDP will drop but it may mean a return to the an england more aligned with enid blyton and the bronte sisters. Quaint No, Britain will keep its migration treaties. All those Poles and Romanians will stay. The sentiments the exit campaign honed in on will be proved null and void. Those Gypsies aren't going anywhere. Alas, Aquascoot, Mother won't be returning to the 18th century any time soon. Dammit, I'll just have to watch endless hours of Downton Abbey and pretend i am visiting the empire

You're part of the Empire. We're still ruled by the queen, you know.

Go down to the Royal and have a beer. You won't need to pretend, dear.

Wait for the million "postal votes" to come in, with every single one of them for remain.

I re-post the following here, as it is relevant!


perceptions_now wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 1:43pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 1:27pm: perceptions_now wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 1:19pm: perceptions_now wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 12:32pm: perceptions_now wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 11:20am: So, are the "Nellies getting Nervous Again" OR do TPTB KNOW SOMETHING WE DON'T YET KNOW ABOUT THE BREXIT VOTE or is something else happening??? In any event, the DOW Futures are now DOWn around 320, having dropped some 270 points in the last 25-30 minutes! Also, German & UK markets are Down some 6-7%! So, THE "ROLLERCOASTER RIDE CONTINUES", for now! UP - DOWN & all around! It is just possible that the Rollercoaster may be coming from the BREXIT VOTE & TPTB trying to intervene?! Voting, moments ago, according to the BBC, in Brexit is - To Leave - 6,538,329 To Remain - 6,229,129 http://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-politics-36570120 So, where are WE now? Voting, in BREXIT moments ago, according to the BBC, in Brexit is - To Leave - 10,539,289 To Remain - 10,066,155 http://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-politics-36570120 DOW Futures currently - DOWn around 500 points. German & UK Futures - down around 8-9%. OZ ALL ORDS Down - around 150 points (3%) Japan - Down around 500 points (3%) Perhaps the Pollies, the CB's & TPTB MAY have something else to blame, for the Economic Collapse, besides the Real/underlying issues? What are the ODDS, of a BIG spurt at the end, FOR THE REMAIN VOTE??? Possibly not!? Voting, in BREXIT moments ago, according to the BBC, in Brexit is - To Leave -  13,007,483 To Remain - 12,166,965 It seems nearly enough, to call the result, but maybe not just yet.

... wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 1:33pm:

Wait for the million "postal votes" to come in, with every single one of them for remain.

The leave vote's now a million up. Your wish may well be fulfilled, Honky.

Britain doesn't have compulsory voting. The leave voters are currently the majority of those turning up at the polls.

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 1:48pm:

... wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 1:33pm: Wait for the million "postal votes" to come in, with every single one of them for remain. The leave vote's now a million up. Your wish may well be fulfilled, Honky. Britain doesn't have compulsory voting. The leave voters are currently the majority of those turning up at the polls.

875,972 up.

This vote has gone so much better than I hoped so far.


Wish me well as you wave me goodbye
Here I go cheerio on my waaaaaaay

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It's looking like Brexit but only a bit over half the votes counted so far.
Having said that, if you look at the map, the undeclared areas are mostly Leave majority areas.

Still, can't wait for Plan B and maybe Plan C from Brussels.

Good point just mentioned on the BBC.  Over 60% in Scotland voted to Remain.  So, will we see another Scottish push for severance from the UK?

Leavers making Britain great again!

Aussie wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 1:59pm:

Good point just mentioned on the BBC.  Over 60% in Scotland voted to Remain.  So, will we see another Scottish push for severance from the UK?

You can bet your house on that

Nearly 91% Counted

Cameron is cactus!

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Pound down to 1985 levels. At this rate, it will reach parity with the USD.

I hope the hell those Brits go broke. They deserve to be the banana republic of Europe.


bogarde73 wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 2:15pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 1:59pm: Good point just mentioned on the BBC.  Over 60% in Scotland voted to Remain.  So, will we see another Scottish push for severance from the UK? You can bet your house on that

I wonder what level the GBP will be when the Scots are using Euros and the English have deployed all their troops in Northern Ireland.  Is it worth the trouble?

John_Taverner wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 2:32pm:

Pound down to 1985 levels. At this rate, it will reach parity with the USD. I hope the hell those Brits go broke. They deserve to be the banana republic of Europe.

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Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 1:14pm:

Wow. You really think Cameron will go?

He has too surely. As one commentator said, negotiations with the EU for an exit can only be done by someone who actually wants to exit.

Too soon for PM Boris?

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 2:41pm:

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 1:14pm: Wow. You really think Cameron will go? He has too surely. As one commentator said, negotiations with the EU for an exit can only be done by someone who actually wants to exit. Too soon for PM Boris?

Is Boris an MP?

I saw a bit of the debate on the telly last night, seems Sadiq pulled out the race card pretty quickly.

Just watching Turdfull on the ABC about this.  You'd swear the UK had just declared War on someone and we are about to join in.  What a joke.

Another spanner in the works - Sinn Fein has weighed in declaring British government no longer has a mandate to represent the economic or political interests of Northern Ireland.

I've also heard whispers of a possible referendum for Welsh independence, although they also voted overwhelmingly to leave.

Apparently the Netherlands are watching this very closely as they are not very happy with the EU

Aussie wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 2:46pm:

Just watching Turdfull on the ABC about this.  You'd swear the UK had just declared War on someone and we are about to join in.  What a joke.

Is Sunshine Coast going to succeed from Uttar Pradesh? Yuk!

95% counted

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So pretty much the exact opposite to what the polls predicted  ;D

this is great news.

Rule Britannia !

Soon others will leave the socialist utopia of eu.

Soon Britian will evict illegals.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 2:55pm:

So pretty much the exact opposite to what the polls predicted  ;D

The vote has a long way to go yet.

It's too close so far.

Don't count your chickens.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 2:55pm:

So pretty much the exact opposite to what the polls predicted  ;D

Pre-election online polls were majority Leave

... wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 1:33pm:

Wait for the million "postal votes" to come in, with every single one of them for remain.

Well spotted.

I'm not putting on my dancing shoes until the last vote has been counted.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 3:01pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 2:55pm: So pretty much the exact opposite to what the polls predicted  ;D The vote has a long way to go yet. It's too close so far. Don't count your chickens.

Herb, keep up - its 95% counted, leave is over 1 million votes ahead - every news agency in UK has called it for leave. Its over.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 3:01pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 2:55pm: So pretty much the exact opposite to what the polls predicted  ;D The vote has a long way to go yet. It's too close so far. Don't count your chickens.

Count them.  'Leave' has crossed the M16.8 threshold votes it needs to win.

Ha!  That mean my cousin cant brag about his EU passport anymore. 

Now, that UK have left, which is one of the better performing economies.  It would be safe to say that countries like France, Netherlands will be thinking about their options.  Germany will then really be sweating.  Mind you, places like Greece, Italy and Spain are still in big trouble.  Could this be.... the beginning of the end for EU. 

tickleandrose wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 3:11pm:

Ha!  That mean my cousin cant brag about his EU passport anymore.  Now, that UK have left, which is one of the better performing economies.  It would be safe to say that countries like France, Netherlands will be thinking about their options.  Germany will then really be sweating.  Mind you, places like Greece, Italy and Spain are still in big trouble.  Could this be.... the beginning of the end for EU.

Netherlands has the strongest movement at present.

I wonder how many Leave votes Obama was worth.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 2:47pm:

Another spanner in the works - Sinn Fein has weighed in declaring British government no longer has a mandate to represent the economic or political interests of Northern Ireland. I've also heard whispers of a possible referendum for Welsh independence, although they also voted overwhelmingly to leave.

We aren't interested in what terrorists want.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 3:04pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 3:01pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 2:55pm: So pretty much the exact opposite to what the polls predicted  ;D The vote has a long way to go yet. It's too close so far. Don't count your chickens. Herb, keep up - its 95% counted, leave is over 1 million votes ahead - every news agency in UK has called it for leave. Its over.

It certainly is. My British passport is as good as useless now.

Who'd ever want to live in England?

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 4:00pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 3:04pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 3:01pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 2:55pm: So pretty much the exact opposite to what the polls predicted  ;D The vote has a long way to go yet. It's too close so far. Don't count your chickens. Herb, keep up - its 95% counted, leave is over 1 million votes ahead - every news agency in UK has called it for leave. Its over. It certainly is. My British passport is as good as useless now. Who'd ever want to live in England?

loads of reffos.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 4:03pm:

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 4:00pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 3:04pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 3:01pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 2:55pm: So pretty much the exact opposite to what the polls predicted  ;D The vote has a long way to go yet. It's too close so far. Don't count your chickens. Herb, keep up - its 95% counted, leave is over 1 million votes ahead - every news agency in UK has called it for leave. Its over. It certainly is. My British passport is as good as useless now. Who'd ever want to live in England? loads of reffos.

God knows why. I'd stay in Ghana or Sri Lanka if it came to that. 

I'd probably leave Pakistan.

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 4:06pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 4:03pm: Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 4:00pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 3:04pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 3:01pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 2:55pm: So pretty much the exact opposite to what the polls predicted  ;D The vote has a long way to go yet. It's too close so far. Don't count your chickens. Herb, keep up - its 95% counted, leave is over 1 million votes ahead - every news agency in UK has called it for leave. Its over. It certainly is. My British passport is as good as useless now. Who'd ever want to live in England? loads of reffos. God knows why. I'd stay in Ghana or Sri Lanka if it came to that.  I'd probably leave Pakistan.

See, even you agree. Sri Lanka isn't bad. There's obviously no excuse  for them coming out here on asylum boats then.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 4:09pm:

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 4:06pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 4:03pm: Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 4:00pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 3:04pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 3:01pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 2:55pm: So pretty much the exact opposite to what the polls predicted  ;D The vote has a long way to go yet. It's too close so far. Don't count your chickens. Herb, keep up - its 95% counted, leave is over 1 million votes ahead - every news agency in UK has called it for leave. Its over. It certainly is. My British passport is as good as useless now. Who'd ever want to live in England? loads of reffos. God knows why. I'd stay in Ghana or Sri Lanka if it came to that.  I'd probably leave Pakistan. See, even you agree. Sri Lanka isn't bad. There's obviously no excuse  for them coming out here on asylum boats then.

I'd stay with Mother rather than live in Syria too.

It is a jolly world, no?

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 4:14pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 4:09pm: Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 4:06pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 4:03pm: Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 4:00pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 3:04pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 3:01pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 2:55pm: So pretty much the exact opposite to what the polls predicted  ;D The vote has a long way to go yet. It's too close so far. Don't count your chickens. Herb, keep up - its 95% counted, leave is over 1 million votes ahead - every news agency in UK has called it for leave. Its over. It certainly is. My British passport is as good as useless now. Who'd ever want to live in England? loads of reffos. God knows why. I'd stay in Ghana or Sri Lanka if it came to that.  I'd probably leave Pakistan. See, even you agree. Sri Lanka isn't bad. There's obviously no excuse  for them coming out here on asylum boats then. I'd stay with Mother rather than live in Syria too. It is a jolly world, no?

You'd rather stay in Sri Lanka over England?? You sure changed your tune Ms Knowledge.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 4:15pm:

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 4:14pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 4:09pm: Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 4:06pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 4:03pm: Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 4:00pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 3:04pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 3:01pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 2:55pm: So pretty much the exact opposite to what the polls predicted  ;D The vote has a long way to go yet. It's too close so far. Don't count your chickens. Herb, keep up - its 95% counted, leave is over 1 million votes ahead - every news agency in UK has called it for leave. Its over. It certainly is. My British passport is as good as useless now. Who'd ever want to live in England? loads of reffos. God knows why. I'd stay in Ghana or Sri Lanka if it came to that.  I'd probably leave Pakistan. See, even you agree. Sri Lanka isn't bad. There's obviously no excuse  for them coming out here on asylum boats then. I'd stay with Mother rather than live in Syria too. It is a jolly world, no? You'd rather stay in Sri Lanka over England?? You sure changed your tune Ms Knowledge.

Well, if I had a bit of money, sure. I'd have to learn Sri Lankan.

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 4:19pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 4:15pm: Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 4:14pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 4:09pm: Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 4:06pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 4:03pm: Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 4:00pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 3:04pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 3:01pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 2:55pm: So pretty much the exact opposite to what the polls predicted  ;D The vote has a long way to go yet. It's too close so far. Don't count your chickens. Herb, keep up - its 95% counted, leave is over 1 million votes ahead - every news agency in UK has called it for leave. Its over. It certainly is. My British passport is as good as useless now. Who'd ever want to live in England? loads of reffos. God knows why. I'd stay in Ghana or Sri Lanka if it came to that.  I'd probably leave Pakistan. See, even you agree. Sri Lanka isn't bad. There's obviously no excuse  for them coming out here on asylum boats then. I'd stay with Mother rather than live in Syria too. It is a jolly world, no? You'd rather stay in Sri Lanka over England?? You sure changed your tune Ms Knowledge. Well, if I had a bit of money, sure. I'd have to learn Sri Lankan.

Why don't you pay a people smuggler to sail you  there Karnal Knowledge??

bogarde73 wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 3:24pm:

I wonder how many Leave votes Obama was worth.

Looks like the Brits just reminded Obama that nobody takes his finger-wagging lectures seriously anymore.

The curtain has been pulled back on the Wizard of Oz, revealing a big-talking but very ordinary man.

And that must hurt, considering that in the early days of Obama's presidency, Newsweek editor Evan Thomas once described him as "sort of God." (Seriously; you can look it up.)

The4thEstate wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 4:21pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 3:24pm: I wonder how many Leave votes Obama was worth. Looks like the Brits just reminded Obama that nobody takes his finger-wagging lectures seriously anymore. The curtain has been pulled back on the Wizard of Oz, revealing a big-talking but very ordinary man. And that must hurt, considering that in the early days of Obama's presidency, Newsweek editor Evan Thomas once described him as "sort of God." (Seriously; you can look it up.)

If you seriously think the Poms took any notice whatsoever of whatever Obama said, you are seriously mistaken.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 4:21pm:

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 4:19pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 4:15pm: Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 4:14pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 4:09pm: Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 4:06pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 4:03pm: Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 4:00pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 3:04pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 3:01pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 2:55pm: So pretty much the exact opposite to what the polls predicted  ;D The vote has a long way to go yet. It's too close so far. Don't count your chickens. Herb, keep up - its 95% counted, leave is over 1 million votes ahead - every news agency in UK has called it for leave. Its over. It certainly is. My British passport is as good as useless now. Who'd ever want to live in England? loads of reffos. God knows why. I'd stay in Ghana or Sri Lanka if it came to that.  I'd probably leave Pakistan. See, even you agree. Sri Lanka isn't bad. There's obviously no excuse  for them coming out here on asylum boats then. I'd stay with Mother rather than live in Syria too. It is a jolly world, no? You'd rather stay in Sri Lanka over England?? You sure changed your tune Ms Knowledge. Well, if I had a bit of money, sure. I'd have to learn Sri Lankan. Why don't you pay a people smuggler to sail you  there Karnal Knowledge??

Good idea, Homo. Next time I go I'll pay Air Asia.

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 4:27pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 4:21pm: Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 4:19pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 4:15pm: Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 4:14pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 4:09pm: Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 4:06pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 4:03pm: Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 4:00pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 3:04pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 3:01pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 2:55pm: So pretty much the exact opposite to what the polls predicted  ;D The vote has a long way to go yet. It's too close so far. Don't count your chickens. Herb, keep up - its 95% counted, leave is over 1 million votes ahead - every news agency in UK has called it for leave. Its over. It certainly is. My British passport is as good as useless now. Who'd ever want to live in England? loads of reffos. God knows why. I'd stay in Ghana or Sri Lanka if it came to that.  I'd probably leave Pakistan. See, even you agree. Sri Lanka isn't bad. There's obviously no excuse  for them coming out here on asylum boats then. I'd stay with Mother rather than live in Syria too. It is a jolly world, no? You'd rather stay in Sri Lanka over England?? You sure changed your tune Ms Knowledge. Well, if I had a bit of money, sure. I'd have to learn Sri Lankan. Why don't you pay a people smuggler to sail you  there Karnal Knowledge?? Good idea, Homo. Next time I go I'll pay Air Asia.

good for you dear.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 4:29pm:

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 4:27pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 4:21pm: Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 4:19pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 4:15pm: Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 4:14pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 4:09pm: Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 4:06pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 4:03pm: Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 4:00pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 3:04pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 3:01pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 2:55pm: So pretty much the exact opposite to what the polls predicted  ;D The vote has a long way to go yet. It's too close so far. Don't count your chickens. Herb, keep up - its 95% counted, leave is over 1 million votes ahead - every news agency in UK has called it for leave. Its over. It certainly is. My British passport is as good as useless now. Who'd ever want to live in England? loads of reffos. God knows why. I'd stay in Ghana or Sri Lanka if it came to that.  I'd probably leave Pakistan. See, even you agree. Sri Lanka isn't bad. There's obviously no excuse  for them coming out here on asylum boats then. I'd stay with Mother rather than live in Syria too. It is a jolly world, no? You'd rather stay in Sri Lanka over England?? You sure changed your tune Ms Knowledge. Well, if I had a bit of money, sure. I'd have to learn Sri Lankan. Why don't you pay a people smuggler to sail you  there Karnal Knowledge?? Good idea, Homo. Next time I go I'll pay Air Asia. good for you dear.

They decide who comes to Sri Lanka and the means in which they come.

Aussie wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 4:22pm:

The4thEstate wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 4:21pm: bogarde73 wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 3:24pm: I wonder how many Leave votes Obama was worth. Looks like the Brits just reminded Obama that nobody takes his finger-wagging lectures seriously anymore. The curtain has been pulled back on the Wizard of Oz, revealing a big-talking but very ordinary man. And that must hurt, considering that in the early days of Obama's presidency, Newsweek editor Evan Thomas once described him as "sort of God." (Seriously; you can look it up.) If you seriously think the Poms took any notice whatsoever of whatever Obama said, you are seriously mistaken.

That was kind of my point ...

The4thEstate wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 4:33pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 4:22pm: The4thEstate wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 4:21pm: bogarde73 wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 3:24pm: I wonder how many Leave votes Obama was worth. Looks like the Brits just reminded Obama that nobody takes his finger-wagging lectures seriously anymore. The curtain has been pulled back on the Wizard of Oz, revealing a big-talking but very ordinary man. And that must hurt, considering that in the early days of Obama's presidency, Newsweek editor Evan Thomas once described him as "sort of God." (Seriously; you can look it up.) If you seriously think the Poms took any notice whatsoever of whatever Obama said, you are seriously mistaken. That was kind of my point ...

The Brits did not remind him of anything, as you asserted.

He was ignored.  He is irrelevant to the issue which was a British one.  Just like a Brit PM would be in the USA.

Aussie wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 4:37pm:

The4thEstate wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 4:33pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 4:22pm: The4thEstate wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 4:21pm: bogarde73 wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 3:24pm: I wonder how many Leave votes Obama was worth. Looks like the Brits just reminded Obama that nobody takes his finger-wagging lectures seriously anymore. The curtain has been pulled back on the Wizard of Oz, revealing a big-talking but very ordinary man. And that must hurt, considering that in the early days of Obama's presidency, Newsweek editor Evan Thomas once described him as "sort of God." (Seriously; you can look it up.) If you seriously think the Poms took any notice whatsoever of whatever Obama said, you are seriously mistaken. That was kind of my point ... The Brits did not remind him of anything, as you asserted. He was ignored.  Just like a Brit PM would be in the USA.

And assuming that the Brits did, in fact, ignore him -- which is simply your unsubstantiated position that I grant only for the sake of argument -- the result is the same as if the Brits deliberately sent him a message: 

Obama is reminded that nobody takes his finger-wagging lectures seriously anymore.

This:


Quote:

Obama is reminded that nobody takes his finger-wagging lectures seriously anymore.

...is your unsubstantiated assumption and I guess you brought Obama into this because you are an anti Obama person looking for some reason, anyone will do, to have a dig at him.  That seems pretty clear.

bogarde73 wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 1:12pm:

Too soon to tell Gandalf. Anyway, even if the vote goes Leave, Plan B sees legal manouvres by Brussels to negate the vote.

Nothing surprises me with the British ; or say English.
The most silly thing they do, is, drive on the left side of the road; have you ever driven a car while sitting on the outside of the road? On a narrow road, it is almost impossible to pass another car, without someone sitting next to the driver.
Another question; will Scotland now leave Britain?

hawil wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 5:44pm:

have you ever driven a car while sitting on the outside of the road? On a narrow road, it is almost impossible to pass another car, without someone sitting next to the driver.

Sorry but that makes absolutely no sense at all.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 3:04pm:

Herb, keep up - its 95% counted, leave is over 1 million votes ahead - every news agency in UK has called it for leave. Its over.

'Over' - my ass!

Every newspaper stand in the UK once had billboards declaring 'PEACE IN OUR TIME!'

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 4:00pm:

It certainly is. My British passport is as good as useless now. Who'd ever want to live in England?

Millions of economic migrants, sometimes referred to as 'refugees'.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 6:27pm:

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 4:00pm: It certainly is. My British passport is as good as useless now. Who'd ever want to live in England? Millions of economic migrants, sometimes referred to as 'refugees'.

Economic migrants, eh?

You mean like you?

Britain is still great.

hawil wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 5:44pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 1:12pm: Too soon to tell Gandalf. Anyway, even if the vote goes Leave, Plan B sees legal manouvres by Brussels to negate the vote. Nothing surprises me with the British ; or say English. The most silly thing they do, is, drive on the left side of the road; have you ever driven a car while sitting on the outside of the road? On a narrow road, it is almost impossible to pass another car, without someone sitting next to the driver. Another question; will Scotland now leave Britain?

One can only hope so.

They've been a parasite on England's economy for yonkers now. It's why they recently voted against independence because this would have drastically reduced their welfare benefits.

Bexit although can be concerning when it comes to international security.  It is possible that after this, countries like Netherlands, Denmark, Italy, and even France may be exiting as well.   These are medium sized ecnomies that is not doing too badly.   And then you have countries like Greece, Spain that are not doing well at all, and requires cash injections.   And of course, the Eastern European blocks who wanted to resist the advancement of Russia, and deep in trouble with the Syrian refugee crisis. 

When these occurs, if Germany suffers a down turn, then the entire European block may just fall like domino.  The Eastern European countries will once again be swayed back to Russian sphere of influence, since they feel abandoned by their European allies.  Whilst the Western European countries will be suspicious of each other.   And this spells very uncertain times ahead. 

I think gold is once again back in favour, as the pound falls.  But this could be a prelude to the demise of EU, and hence Euro.  Gold at $2000 again anyone?

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 6:31pm:

Economic migrants, eh? You mean like you?

bitchy bitchy.

http://www.srbijadanas.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/eu-pacovi.png

Next British Prime minister.

Boris Johnson

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 6:37pm:

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 6:31pm: Economic migrants, eh? You mean like you? bitchy bitchy.

There is nothing wrong with this, Herbie, nothing at all.

It’s just a tad strange how the economic migrants - Andrei, Sprint, Gordy, the old boy and your good self - are so against economic migration.In fact, its almost as if one can.predict one’s country-shopping status by their attitude to this issue.

How does this work, exactly?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7ujvOWWfpY

EU referendum live: David Cameron resigns after UK shocks the world by voting for Brexit

David Cameron has resigned as Prime Minister after Britain voted to leave the European Union.

It followed a turbulent night with Remain campaigners quietly confident until the early hours when results from Newcastle and Sunderland showed better than expected returns for the Brexit camp.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/24/eu-referendum-live-david-cameron-resigns-as-uk-shocks-the-world/

jmjcare wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 7:43pm:

EU referendum live: David Cameron resigns after UK shocks the world by voting for Brexit David Cameron has resigned as Prime Minister after Britain voted to leave the European Union. It followed a turbulent night with Remain campaigners quietly confident until the early hours when results from Newcastle and Sunderland showed better than expected returns for the Brexit camp. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/24/eu-referendum-live-david-cameron-resigns-as-uk-shocks-the-world/

good, get out you leftard softcock

capitosinora wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 7:09pm:

Next British Prime minister. Boris Johnson

Next Conservative Party leader | Who are the bookies backing?
     Odds      Return from a £10 stake
Boris Johnson      11/8      £23.75
George Osborne 12/1      £130
Theresa May      2/1      £30
Michael Gove      6/1      £70
Stephen Crabb      20/1      £210

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/24/who-will-be-our-next-prime-minister-as-david-cameron-resigns-fol/

capitosinora wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 7:09pm:

Next British Prime minister. Boris Johnson

God help the UK.

Black Orchid wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 5:54pm:

hawil wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 5:44pm: have you ever driven a car while sitting on the outside of the road? On a narrow road, it is almost impossible to pass another car, without someone sitting next to the driver. Sorry but that makes absolutely no sense at all.

Makes no sense to anyone but a dill that thinks everyone drives on the cock suckers side of the road!

FFS are you that stupid?

Yes I suspect you are!

Can someone explain to the twit!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 7:52pm:

capitosinora wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 7:09pm: Next British Prime minister. Boris Johnson God help the UK.

Skydaddy help the guy with the funny hair.

IMHO, the importance of Trump's recent visit to Britain should not be underestimated. He may have well galvanised enough public opinion to tip the balance.

He supported the British exit from the EU some time back.

He was derided at the time, but his support, as opposed to both Obama's and Shillary's commentary, hits a high note for all those in favour of an emerging nationalism. Think Farage, Hanson, Johnstone, Trump.

Any country with an 'open borders' programme is now on the defensive, ourselves included.

Trump's talk of a wall against Mexican illegals is starting to resonate, just like our own 'stop the boats' policy. The same is true of a number of other EU members. The Nordic countries spring to mind - rape has become an issue as a result of increased, unmonitored immigration.

Of course, the EU will object to this abandonment because Britain remains an economic and trade powerhouse while ever it remains and when it leaves. All it needs to do is renegotiate some trade deals and business will resume as normal.

The power-brokers and their media empires will scream, of course, because the plebeians will be construed as beginning to break their chains.

The West, and hopefully Christendom, is on the rise.

The Left are left to suck lemons.

Aussie wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 4:47pm:

This: Quote: Obama is reminded that nobody takes his finger-wagging lectures seriously anymore. ...is your unsubstantiated assumption and I guess you brought Obama into this because you are an anti Obama person looking for some reason, anyone will do, to have a dig at him.  That seems pretty clear.

Ummm ... what??

I guess you missed the fact that my Obama comment didn't materialize out of thin air, but in fact was a direct response to Bogarde73's comment: "I wonder how many Leave votes Obama was worth."

See that little boxed Bogarde quote at the top of my original post? Bingo!

So if you're feeling defensive about Obama criticism, I suggest you take that up with Bogarde.

And of course my comment was "unsubstantiated" -- it was a personal observation! That's evident by the fact that I prefaced it with the words "Looks like" as opposed to, say, "Here's what a Daily Telegraph poll revealed."

Clear now?   

A win for free markets and a loss for socialism!

Australia is leaving the AU to be become Australia.

Went down to breakfast this morning.
All the European Country Controllers were there already.

Let's just say I was about as popular as a Nazi at a Bar Mitzvah today.
And they didn't even know how I voted!

Cameron resigns....wow... I dont know what to think to be honest... will there be retaliation......almost sure of it...

has it divided the country... almost sure it has....

will Brit survive of course it will.....but it wont be easy..

I cant see how any govt could be prepared for this...

what are the very next steps???? :( :( :(


its not like changing supermarkets is it?>

The UK can't leave for another 2 years - why the instant panic?

This is something of a litmus test. The result says more than half the British don't like what is happening in Europe. EU leaders know the same numbers are probably true in Europe.

cods wrote on Jun 25^th, 2016 at 8:22am:

Cameron resigns....wow... I dont know what to think to be honest... will there be retaliation......almost sure of it... has it divided the country... almost sure it has....

Yes cods I was thinking about that last night!

Actually it is no different to a general election, half of the people get what they want the other half are p1ssed off!

Same will happen in Australia next Saturday!

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 8:29pm:

IMHO, the importance of Trump's recent visit to Britain should not be underestimated. He may have well galvanised enough public opinion to tip the balance. He supported the British exit from the EU some time back.

Wasn't that amazing timing for Trump to have been in the UK on the day after the Brexit vote?

issuevoter wrote on Jun 25^th, 2016 at 8:53am:

This is something of a litmus test. The result says more than half the British don't like what is happening in Europe. EU leaders know the same numbers are probably true in Europe.

That's the EU's stupidity for trying to compel its members to accept tens of thousands of Middle East refugees. Nations should act in their own best interests, not put their own culture and security at risk so the globalist elites can have cheap labor.

Bobby. wrote on Jun 25^th, 2016 at 8:51am:

The UK can't leave for another 2 years - why the instant panic?

Because the average member of the general public is an uneducated buffoon.

Great England.

capitosinora wrote on Jun 25^th, 2016 at 9:52am:

Great England.

Couldnt get that thing to work eh?  ;D

Bobby. wrote on Jun 25^th, 2016 at 8:51am:

The UK can't leave for another 2 years - why the instant panic?

Thats an evil genius plot so that a few smart people can clean up on the stock market and the pommie pound  ;D

Britain's or, (more accurately), England's exit from the EU shouldn't come as that much of a surprise.

England has been 'Euro-sceptic' for hundreds of years...

Inside every Englishman (and English woman!) there is a Henry V sticking it to France, or a Henry VIII telling the Pope where he can shove his 'supreme authority' or an Elizabeth I flipping the bird to Spain and Catholic Europe.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 25^th, 2016 at 10:50am:

Inside every Englishman (and English woman!) there is a Henry V sticking it to France, or a Henry VIII telling the Pope where he can shove his 'supreme authority' or an Elizabeth I flipping the bird to Spain and Catholic Europe.

... and now they are flipping it at the muslims and their partners in crime the leftards too  ;D

Aussie wrote on Jun 25^th, 2016 at 6:50am:

Australia is leaving the AU to be become Australia.

That could work.

innocentbystander. wrote on Jun 25^th, 2016 at 11:09am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 25th, 2016 at 10:50am: Inside every Englishman (and English woman!) there is a Henry V sticking it to France, or a Henry VIII telling the Pope where he can shove his 'supreme authority' or an Elizabeth I flipping the bird to Spain and Catholic Europe. ... and now they are flipping it at the muslims and their partners in crime the leftards too  ;D

Oh no, Granville is leaving to become the Islamic Republic of Granvillistan. Vote #1 Mufi Karna

Breitbart:

Needless to say, leftists are quite mad. They’re now calling for old people to be stopped from voting, simply because they wanted to protect the youngsters from having to dress in hijabs. Twitter hasn’t been this upset since that gorilla got shot. France, of course, has been mad for a while: even before the vote to send the migrants from The Jungle to us if we decided to leave. Why? Are migrants bad? I mean if unlimited immigration is fine then that’s hardly a punishment, is it, France?

Then there’s Scotland. For the second time in two years, our grumpy, ungrateful ginger cousins in the north are threatening to leave us. Scotland … famed for sucking up English tax money and for producing angry left-wing comedians and whiskey that’s even worse than Ireland’s.

I’m not sure many of us will be too upset to lose these ferocious European champions. I mean, there’s a reason the Emperor Hadrian anticipated Trump by about two thousand years.

innocentbystander. wrote on Jun 25^th, 2016 at 10:39am:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 25th, 2016 at 8:51am: The UK can't leave for another 2 years - why the instant panic? Thats an evil genius plot so that a few smart people can clean up on the stock market and the pommie pound  ;D

maybe?

bogarde73 wrote on Jun 25^th, 2016 at 11:30am:

Then there’s Scotland. For the second time in two years, our grumpy, ungrateful ginger cousins in the north are threatening to leave us. Scotland … famed for sucking up English tax money and for producing angry left-wing comedians and whiskey that’s even worse than Ireland’s.

Are you seriously trying to make us believe the idiots that write this sort of garbage?

'In last week’s Brexit vote results, there was a tremendous divide between age groups. 73% of voters under the age of 25 voted to remain in the EU, while about 58% over the age of 45 voted to leave.

This generational gap is among the many parallels between Brexit and climate change. A 2014 poll found that 74% of Americans under the age of 30 support government policies to cut carbon pollution, as compared to just 58% of respondents over the age of 40, and 52% over the age of 65.
Inter-generational theft

The problem is of course that younger generations will have to live with the consequences of the decisions we make today for much longer than older generations. Older generations in developed countries prospered as a result of the burning of fossil fuels for seemingly cheap energy. '

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2016/jun/27/the-inter-generational-theft-of-brexit-and-climate-change

From Dana Nutticelli.

'26/6: Social media is passing round a stat that only 36 per cent of 18-24 year olds voted. Given that this age group was the most likely to vote Remain, this would imply that if turnout had matched that of higher age groups, Remain coudld have triumphed.'

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2016/06/how-did-different-demographic-groups-vote-eu-referendum

Why the leftists want a new vote.

Wolseley wrote on Jun 28^th, 2016 at 12:11am:

bogarde73 wrote on Jun 25th, 2016 at 11:30am: Then there’s Scotland. For the second time in two years, our grumpy, ungrateful ginger cousins in the north are threatening to leave us. Scotland … famed for sucking up English tax money and for producing angry left-wing comedians and whiskey that’s even worse than Ireland’s. Are you seriously trying to make us believe the idiots that write this sort of garbage?

It's true, as any English taxpayer would tell you.

bogarde73 wrote on Jun 25^th, 2016 at 11:30am:

Breitbart: Needless to say, leftists are quite mad. They’re now calling for old people to be stopped from voting, simply because they wanted to protect the youngsters from having to dress in hijabs. Twitter hasn’t been this upset since that gorilla got shot. France, of course, has been mad for a while: even before the vote to send the migrants from The Jungle to us if we decided to leave. Why? Are migrants bad? I mean if unlimited immigration is fine then that’s hardly a punishment, is it, France? Then there’s Scotland. For the second time in two years, our grumpy, ungrateful ginger cousins in the north are threatening to leave us. Scotland … famed for sucking up English tax money and for producing angry left-wing comedians and whiskey that’s even worse than Ireland’s. I’m not sure many of us will be too upset to lose these ferocious European champions. I mean, there’s a reason the Emperor Hadrian anticipated Trump by about two thousand years.

"Us"? Are you an immigrant too, Bogie?

Please explain.