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Election 2016: Nick Xenophon attacks major parties over preference deal to squeeze party out

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Independent senator Nick Xenophon has accused the major parties in South Australia of colluding to deny his candidates victories in local seats. Polls suggest the Nick Xenophon Team (NXT) is in with a chance in electorates including Mayo, Sturt and Grey and is poised to take three Senate seats. But the Lower House battles could come down to preferences, and Senator Xenophon fears Labor and the Liberals have done a deal to stop his candidates. "I just want the major parties to come clean on what deal they've done in South Australia and around the country because right now they're behaving like a cosy duopoly," he said. "In fact they're behaving a bit like a cartel. "There seems to be a very cosy deal that's been done in order to squeeze out competition." Both the Liberal and Labor parties have chosen to issue split tickets, leaving it up to voters to decide who to preference. Labor's decision to run a split ticket will make it harder for the Xenophon Team to claim Liberal Lower House seats. Labor votes will see through deals Senator Xenophon pleaded with Labor voters to ignore "backroom deals" that could direct preferences to the Liberals. "If the Labor Party does a deal with a view to saving their arch enemies [Liberals] Christopher Pyne and Jamie Briggs in South Australia then I think a lot of Labor Party voters will see through that," he said. NXT is running open tickets, meaning the party does not suggest where voters direct their preferences beyond their first preference. The Liberal Party revealed its trepidation about NXT last week when former prime minister John Howard visited Mayo and likened Senator Xenophon to former One Nation MP Pauline Hanson for his stance on free trade. Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull visited the electorate the previous week. Meanwhile, pre-poll voting begins in South Australia today, with more than 30 per cent of people expected to take up the opportunity ahead of the election on July 2. Political analyst Clem Macintyre said "election fatigue" was likely to encourage a high turn-out of people looking to cast their votes early and predictions were up from a 15 per cent turn-out at previous elections. "Often it is because they have commitments on Saturday but I think there's plenty of evidence to suggest that others are simply doing it because they are just wanting to cast a vote and take their mind off the election," he said.

So Xenophon is criticising Labor and Liberal for leaving it up to voters to decide if they will preference NXT while he is issuing open tickets? I think that's a little bit hypocritical. Xenophon really has nothing to complain about. He would have grounds for complaint if the major parties were explicitly directing preferences away from his party but this isn't happening.

I think it's a good thing that Labor, Liberal and NXT are not choosing to direct preferences to the others. The election in SA could produce the most democratic outcome we have seen for many years.

Bam, can you please explain to me the difference between an open ticket and a split ticket? I'm not familiar with split tickets.

I assume a split ticket is the lib HTV card that Bam posted in the OP.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 14^th, 2016 at 12:18pm:

I assume a split ticket is the lib HTV card that Bam posted in the OP.

The OP says that both lib and labor have issued split tickets .

How are they different from open tickets?

open tickets are simply when the party doesn't give any instructions for preferencing.

It's a good move by NX to play the victim card, even when it may not be so.

Thing is though, by Labor not preferencing NXP over libs, they are protecting Pyne and Briggs.


We have Labor complaining about Libs, then protecting them.
And vice verse, Libs protecting the likes of Labor's Feeney.

Lib Lab ~ Same old, same old.

John Smith wrote on Jun 14^th, 2016 at 12:21pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 14th, 2016 at 12:18pm: I assume a split ticket is the lib HTV card that Bam posted in the OP. The OP says that both lib and labor have issued split tickets . How are they different from open tickets?

Gandalf has already explained it, but the difference is as follows:

* A split ticket (see the OP) has multiple lists of preferences and the voter can choose one.
* An open ticket has no indication of preferences at all but presumably provides instructions for casting a valid vote (number every box in sequence).

John Smith wrote on Jun 14^th, 2016 at 12:13pm:

Bam, can you please explain to me the difference between an open ticket and a split ticket? I'm not familiar with split tickets.

LOL
Look up the top John...  2 different preference deals.

Don't like Briggs...  no talent.

How the hell can NXT whinge about the lib HTV card, when it specifically gives an option to preference NXT?? LOL!

And by the way, why would the libs even want to do this split ticket - whats in it for them?

The difference with split tickets and open tickets can be seen by looking at the example of a split ticket. Here is the list of candidates for Mayo in ballot order:

DALLIMORE, Glen      Australian Labor Party
SHARKIE, Rebekha      Nick Xenophon Team
DZIVINSKI, Luke      Liberal Democrats
DANIELL, Nathan      The Greens
BRIGGS, Jamie      Liberal
HICKS, Bruce      Family First

In both tickets, the Liberals are giving the second preference to Family First (who are closet Liberals),  the third to the Liberal Democrats and the Greens are last. Only the order of NXT and ALP are switched.

With an open ticket, there is no list of preferences.

Bam wrote on Jun 14^th, 2016 at 1:01pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 14th, 2016 at 12:21pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 14th, 2016 at 12:18pm: I assume a split ticket is the lib HTV card that Bam posted in the OP. The OP says that both lib and labor have issued split tickets . How are they different from open tickets? Gandalf has already explained it, but the difference is as follows: * A split ticket (see the OP) has multiple lists of preferences and the voter can choose one. * An open ticket has no indication of preferences at all but presumably provides instructions for casting a valid vote (number every box in sequence).

thanks!

The libs HTV card is immaterial here anyway - since they'll be in the 2pp playoff, and therefore their preferences will never get used.

Its only relevant because of how it fits in with a wider state-wide, or even nation-wide deal with labor (if you do this, I'll do that). The only important preferences in play here are whoever comes third on primaries out of labor and NXT

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 14^th, 2016 at 1:16pm:

The libs HTV card is immaterial here anyway - since they'll be in the 2pp playoff, and therefore their preferences will never get used. Its only relevant because of how it fits in with a wider state-wide, or even nation-wide deal with labor (if you do this, I'll do that). The only important preferences in play here are whoever comes third on primaries out of labor and NXT

This explanation is inaccurate. More precisely, the important preferences in Mayo are the preferences of whichever of ALP or NXT finishes third after the preferences of the other parties with a smaller share of votes are distributed.

John Smith wrote on Jun 14^th, 2016 at 1:14pm:

Bam wrote on Jun 14th, 2016 at 1:01pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 14th, 2016 at 12:21pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 14th, 2016 at 12:18pm: I assume a split ticket is the lib HTV card that Bam posted in the OP. The OP says that both lib and labor have issued split tickets . How are they different from open tickets? Gandalf has already explained it, but the difference is as follows: * A split ticket (see the OP) has multiple lists of preferences and the voter can choose one. * An open ticket has no indication of preferences at all but presumably provides instructions for casting a valid vote (number every box in sequence). thanks!

I explained it to you too John...  no need for thanks ::)

Grendel wrote on Jun 14^th, 2016 at 2:36pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 14th, 2016 at 1:14pm: Bam wrote on Jun 14th, 2016 at 1:01pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 14th, 2016 at 12:21pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 14th, 2016 at 12:18pm: I assume a split ticket is the lib HTV card that Bam posted in the OP. The OP says that both lib and labor have issued split tickets . How are they different from open tickets? Gandalf has already explained it, but the difference is as follows: * A split ticket (see the OP) has multiple lists of preferences and the voter can choose one. * An open ticket has no indication of preferences at all but presumably provides instructions for casting a valid vote (number every box in sequence). thanks! I explained it to you too John...  no need for thanks ::)

you didn't explain sh1t ... you said something about the OP that wasn't there

John Smith wrote on Jun 14^th, 2016 at 2:46pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 14th, 2016 at 2:36pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 14th, 2016 at 1:14pm: Bam wrote on Jun 14th, 2016 at 1:01pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 14th, 2016 at 12:21pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 14th, 2016 at 12:18pm: I assume a split ticket is the lib HTV card that Bam posted in the OP. The OP says that both lib and labor have issued split tickets . How are they different from open tickets? Gandalf has already explained it, but the difference is as follows: * A split ticket (see the OP) has multiple lists of preferences and the voter can choose one. * An open ticket has no indication of preferences at all but presumably provides instructions for casting a valid vote (number every box in sequence). thanks! I explained it to you too John...  no need for thanks ::) you didn't explain sh1t ... you said something about the OP that wasn't there

No what I said explained it...   ;D ;D ;D

Nick Xenophon Team??

BS.. he's a Green by Stealth..  >:(

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Grendel wrote on Jun 14^th, 2016 at 6:14pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 14th, 2016 at 2:46pm: Grendel wrote on Jun 14th, 2016 at 2:36pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 14th, 2016 at 1:14pm: Bam wrote on Jun 14th, 2016 at 1:01pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 14th, 2016 at 12:21pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 14th, 2016 at 12:18pm: I assume a split ticket is the lib HTV card that Bam posted in the OP. The OP says that both lib and labor have issued split tickets . How are they different from open tickets? Gandalf has already explained it, but the difference is as follows: * A split ticket (see the OP) has multiple lists of preferences and the voter can choose one. * An open ticket has no indication of preferences at all but presumably provides instructions for casting a valid vote (number every box in sequence). thanks! I explained it to you too John...  no need for thanks ::) you didn't explain sh1t ... you said something about the OP that wasn't there No what I said explained it...   ;D ;D ;D

what you said explained nothing

Grendel wrote on Jun 14^th, 2016 at 2:36pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 14th, 2016 at 1:14pm: Bam wrote on Jun 14th, 2016 at 1:01pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 14th, 2016 at 12:21pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 14th, 2016 at 12:18pm: I assume a split ticket is the lib HTV card that Bam posted in the OP. The OP says that both lib and labor have issued split tickets . How are they different from open tickets? Gandalf has already explained it, but the difference is as follows: * A split ticket (see the OP) has multiple lists of preferences and the voter can choose one. * An open ticket has no indication of preferences at all but presumably provides instructions for casting a valid vote (number every box in sequence). thanks! I explained it to you too John...  no need for thanks ::)

And you have the gall to say that JS trolls you.

Lobo wrote on Jun 14^th, 2016 at 7:15pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 14th, 2016 at 2:36pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 14th, 2016 at 1:14pm: Bam wrote on Jun 14th, 2016 at 1:01pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 14th, 2016 at 12:21pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 14th, 2016 at 12:18pm: I assume a split ticket is the lib HTV card that Bam posted in the OP. The OP says that both lib and labor have issued split tickets . How are they different from open tickets? Gandalf has already explained it, but the difference is as follows: * A split ticket (see the OP) has multiple lists of preferences and the voter can choose one. * An open ticket has no indication of preferences at all but presumably provides instructions for casting a valid vote (number every box in sequence). thanks! I explained it to you too John...  no need for thanks ::) And you have the gall to say that JS trolls you.

ahh, don't take it to heart  ... he's just projecting when he does that.

If you read the threads he posts on, you'll see that he will ultimately accuse everyone of doing what he does.

John Smith wrote on Jun 14^th, 2016 at 2:46pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 14th, 2016 at 2:36pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 14th, 2016 at 1:14pm: Bam wrote on Jun 14th, 2016 at 1:01pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 14th, 2016 at 12:21pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 14th, 2016 at 12:18pm: I assume a split ticket is the lib HTV card that Bam posted in the OP. The OP says that both lib and labor have issued split tickets . How are they different from open tickets? Gandalf has already explained it, but the difference is as follows: * A split ticket (see the OP) has multiple lists of preferences and the voter can choose one. * An open ticket has no indication of preferences at all but presumably provides instructions for casting a valid vote (number every box in sequence). thanks! I explained it to you too John...  no need for thanks ::) you didn't explain sh1t ... you said something about the OP that wasn't there

Ignore it, JS, the dopey sod isn't worth the bandwidth.