Workers sacked for wearing stickers on hard hats

Electrical Trades Union
June 6 2016

Fair Work Building and Construction (FWBC) are playing politics with construction workers’ lives by focusing on the removal of stickers on hard hats rather than threats to worker safety, the ETU says.   :(

Laing O’Rourke Construction Australia this week ordered workers on the Ichthys LNG Construction Site near Darwin to remove “logos, flags, or indicia” to clothing and property, following an audit of the site by FWBC.

FWBC told the company it was in “serious breach” of section 15 of the 2013 Building Code “arising from the display of Union paraphernalia in the form of flags, posters and stickers affixed to PPE”.

The ETU understands three workers have since been sacked from the site for not removing their Union stickers.   :o

Electrical Trades Union Queensland and NT Assistant Secretary Peter Ong said FWBC had misrepresented section 15 of the clause and put Union Members’ livelihoods at risk for political ends.

“Section 15 says nothing about the display of Union stickers or paraphernalia and in fact ensures workers of the right to become Members of a Union, and says they cannot be discriminated against, or terminated, because of their participation in an industrial association,” he said.

“By denying Freedom of Association, FWBC are themselves contravening the code.”   :(

Mr Ong said Laing O’Rourke were refusing to speak to the Union about resolving the issue and the Union has filed a dispute with the Fair Work Commission in an attempt to have the umpire resolve the issue.

He said FWBC, and its predecessor the ABCC, were concerned with Union busting not workers’ lives or livelihoods.

“There have been so many health and safety issues at that site that Laing O’Rourke, had to close the operation down for three days last week to try to resolve them. Yet when FWBC held an audit the only concern they had was Union stickers?” he said.

“We’re going to an election around the ABCC and the Building Code and this is what these industrial authorities are designed to do? Get people sacked for wearing Union stickers on their hard hats?”

Is this the sort of industrial relations you want Mr Turnbull.  Workers sacked for wearing stickers?.   :(

I've seen this before. Don't know how real the threat is either but the situation was that the insurer's didn't want any risk of the glue on the sticker causing a reaction with the plastic.

wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 9:26am:

Is this the sort of industrial relations you want Mr Turnbull.  Workers sacked for wearing stickers?.   :(

It depends on what sort of stickers.

ISIS flag stickers ... Gay flag stickers ... 'Up Yours!' stickers ... 'Eat at Joe's' stickers ... 

The ETU understands three workers have since been sacked from the site for not removing their Union stickers.   :(

If the hard-hat was my personal property, as opposed to company-issued
(and mine is), I'd put whatever stickers I saw fit onto it (and have).

The only time an employer should have the right to complain is if the
stickers are offensive.

Union stickers are not offensive.

The hard hats that we had in my last job specifically stated that any stickers, engraving or alterations to the hat itself would void any warranty or liability.   I think 'sacking" someone over it must be a bit excessive - although I don't know the full history - but denying access to the workplace until they supplied or obtained another hat would be an option

Fascist government , I hope they all go out the gate .

to each his own.. all I kn ow is when driving behind a car with a lot of stickers on the back I tend to read the stickers instead of watching the road..

its the same with notices alongside the road..lucky us in ACT they are mostly illegal...but isnt the idea when driving/ working in a hard hat area you keep your eye on the road/work place rather than read stickers???


I find it a bit immature to be honest...let them put their stickers on their lunch boxs.... ::)

cods wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 9:53am:

to each his own.. all I kn ow is when driving behind a car with a lot of stickers on the back I tend to read the stickers instead of watching the road.. its the same with notices alongside the road..lucky us in ACT they are mostly illegal...but isnt the idea when driving/ working in a hard hat area you keep your eye on the road/work place rather than read stickers??? I find it a bit immature to be honest...let them put their stickers on their lunch boxs.... ::)

I see the vandals have been getting at Zed Seselja's signs in the ACT with red circles and a cross on them.

I was actually thinking of going for a walk and ripping them up myself but the rain deterred me!  ;D ;D ;D ;D

If this is true, and they have sacked these workers, I would hope the union shuts down the work site.  Until such a time as these workers are reinstated. with no money lost to the workers.   :(   

wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 9:26am:

Is this the sort of industrial relations you want Mr Turnbull.  Workers sacked for wearing stickers?.   :(

It may seem over-the-top, but it makes sense if you stop with the left-wing, everyone-hates-unions faux outrage and actually think about it. Those hard hats aren't usually painted black or other hard-to-see colours. They're usually white, orange or yellow so that the wearer is as visible on worksites as possible, just like wearing safety vests. When you start putting stickers all over the hats, they become less visible, placing the wearer in more danger. So this order is entirely justifiable.

https://2ecffd01e1ab3e9383f0-07db7b9624bbdf022e3b5395236d5cf8.ssl.cf4.rackcdn.com/Product-800x800/b317791d-1838-4f10-92d7-085eeb7967b5.jpg

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 10:44am:

wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 9:26am: Is this the sort of industrial relations you want Mr Turnbull.  Workers sacked for wearing stickers?.   :( It may seem over-the-top, but it makes sense if you stop with the left-wing, everyone-hates-unions faux outrage and actually think about it. Those hard hats aren't usually painted black or other hard-to-see colours. They're usually white, orange or yellow so that the wearer is as visible on worksites as possible, just like wearing safety vests. When you start putting stickers all over the hats, they become less visible, placing the wearer in more danger. So this order is entirely justifiable. https://2ecffd01e1ab3e9383f0-07db7b9624bbdf022e3b5395236d5cf8.ssl.cf4.rackcdn.com/Product-800x800/b317791d-1838-4f10-92d7-085eeb7967b5.jpg

Its about being in a union and nothing else ,BECHTEL tried this on with us in 2010 but soon backed down

Its time wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 10:52am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 10:44am: wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 9:26am: Is this the sort of industrial relations you want Mr Turnbull.  Workers sacked for wearing stickers?.   :( It may seem over-the-top, but it makes sense if you stop with the left-wing, everyone-hates-unions faux outrage and actually think about it. Those hard hats aren't usually painted black or other hard-to-see colours. They're usually white, orange or yellow so that the wearer is as visible on worksites as possible, just like wearing safety vests. When you start putting stickers all over the hats, they become less visible, placing the wearer in more danger. So this order is entirely justifiable. https://2ecffd01e1ab3e9383f0-07db7b9624bbdf022e3b5395236d5cf8.ssl.cf4.rackcdn.com/Product-800x800/b317791d-1838-4f10-92d7-085eeb7967b5.jpg Its about being in a union and nothing else ,BECHTEL tried this on with us in 2010 but soon backed down

Sorry, no. Got nothing to do with Freedom of Association. No one is making workers end their Union membership. They're just being told to remove the stickers for safety reasons. I reckon this hat below has maybe four or five percent left that isn't covered by a sticker. Not much red left to be seen, is there???

http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/2552398-3x2-940x627.jpg

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 10:44am:

wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 9:26am: Is this the sort of industrial relations you want Mr Turnbull.  Workers sacked for wearing stickers?.   :( It may seem over-the-top, but it makes sense if you stop with the left-wing, everyone-hates-unions faux outrage and actually think about it. Those hard hats aren't usually painted black or other hard-to-see colours. They're usually white, orange or yellow so that the wearer is as visible on worksites as possible, just like wearing safety vests. When you start putting stickers all over the hats, they become less visible, placing the wearer in more danger. So this order is entirely justifiable. https://2ecffd01e1ab3e9383f0-07db7b9624bbdf022e3b5395236d5cf8.ssl.cf4.rackcdn.com/Product-800x800/b317791d-1838-4f10-92d7-085eeb7967b5.jpg

Bullsh1t.

I've seen red and green ones, which can be hard to see.

Mine's white (or rather, was white).

Most sites I've worked on in heavy industry use the different colours to
differentiate between different branches. For example, general workers
wear yellow, fitters wear green, sparkies wear red, boffins wear blue etc.

And bosses or supervisors invariably wear white.

And your argument about stickers reducing visibility falls apart once you
realise that most of them are actually reflective or fluorescent, and so
actually make the wearer MORE visible. In fact, that's one reason some
apply them (myself included).

So no, unless (as I said earlier if you were paying attention) the stickers
are actually offensive, the order is NOT justified.

You (and they) are simply union-bashing.

As usual.

Kat wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 11:03am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 10:44am: wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 9:26am: Is this the sort of industrial relations you want Mr Turnbull.  Workers sacked for wearing stickers?.   :( It may seem over-the-top, but it makes sense if you stop with the left-wing, everyone-hates-unions faux outrage and actually think about it. Those hard hats aren't usually painted black or other hard-to-see colours. They're usually white, orange or yellow so that the wearer is as visible on worksites as possible, just like wearing safety vests. When you start putting stickers all over the hats, they become less visible, placing the wearer in more danger. So this order is entirely justifiable. https://2ecffd01e1ab3e9383f0-07db7b9624bbdf022e3b5395236d5cf8.ssl.cf4.rackcdn.com/Product-800x800/b317791d-1838-4f10-92d7-085eeb7967b5.jpg Bullsh1t. I've seen red and green ones, which can be hard to see. Mine's white (or rather, was white). Most sites I've worked on in heavy industry use the different colours to differentiate between different branches. For example, general workers wear yellow, fitters wear green, sparkies wear red etc. And bosses or supervisors invariably wear white. And your argument about stickers reducing visibility falls apart once you realise that most of them are actually reflective or fluorescent, and so actually make the wearer MORE visible. In fact, that's one reason some apply them (myself included). So no, unless (as I said earlier if you were paying attention) the stickers are actually offensive, the order is NOT justified. You (and they) are simply union-bashing. As usual.

See picture above and tell us how many reflective stickers you see. Also, how does removing stickers - Union or otherwise - constitute an attack on Freedom of Association? Are they not Unionists anymore? Maybe they (and you) don't need hard hats any more. Not much under them worth damaging.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 10:57am:

Its time wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 10:52am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 10:44am: wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 9:26am: Is this the sort of industrial relations you want Mr Turnbull.  Workers sacked for wearing stickers?.   :( It may seem over-the-top, but it makes sense if you stop with the left-wing, everyone-hates-unions faux outrage and actually think about it. Those hard hats aren't usually painted black or other hard-to-see colours. They're usually white, orange or yellow so that the wearer is as visible on worksites as possible, just like wearing safety vests. When you start putting stickers all over the hats, they become less visible, placing the wearer in more danger. So this order is entirely justifiable. https://2ecffd01e1ab3e9383f0-07db7b9624bbdf022e3b5395236d5cf8.ssl.cf4.rackcdn.com/Product-800x800/b317791d-1838-4f10-92d7-085eeb7967b5.jpg Its about being in a union and nothing else ,BECHTEL tried this on with us in 2010 but soon backed down Sorry, no. Got nothing to do with Freedom of Association. No one is making workers end their Union membership. They're just being told to remove the stickers for safety reasons. I reckon this hat below has maybe four or five percent left that isn't covered by a sticker. Not much red left to be seen, is there??? http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/2552398-3x2-940x627.jpg

Strawman argument , I noticed how you excluded his uniform that could probably seen from space . I work in the industry Armpit , I know why BECHTEL wanted stickers off helmets , they failed  :)

Lets hope all the boys grow a pair and down tools .

Don't you need to have a real job to be in the union?

I can count 3 on that helmet that are company issued  :D, let me guess they're ok to have on helmets though ?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 10:57am:

Its time wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 10:52am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 10:44am: wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 9:26am: Is this the sort of industrial relations you want Mr Turnbull.  Workers sacked for wearing stickers?.   :( It may seem over-the-top, but it makes sense if you stop with the left-wing, everyone-hates-unions faux outrage and actually think about it. Those hard hats aren't usually painted black or other hard-to-see colours. They're usually white, orange or yellow so that the wearer is as visible on worksites as possible, just like wearing safety vests. When you start putting stickers all over the hats, they become less visible, placing the wearer in more danger. So this order is entirely justifiable. https://2ecffd01e1ab3e9383f0-07db7b9624bbdf022e3b5395236d5cf8.ssl.cf4.rackcdn.com/Product-800x800/b317791d-1838-4f10-92d7-085eeb7967b5.jpg Its about being in a union and nothing else ,BECHTEL tried this on with us in 2010 but soon backed down Sorry, no. Got nothing to do with Freedom of Association. No one is making workers end their Union membership. They're just being told to remove the stickers for safety reasons. I reckon this hat below has maybe four or five percent left that isn't covered by a sticker. Not much red left to be seen, is there??? http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/2552398-3x2-940x627.jpg

Some of the insurers won't risk the glue used on the stickers affecting the plastic in the hat. Removing the stickers doesn't sound that onerous to comply with what seems to be quite reasonable.

Aussie, wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 11:12am:

Don't you need to have a real job to be in the union?

Get one, you might find out.

Its time wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 11:11am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 10:57am: Its time wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 10:52am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 10:44am: wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 9:26am: Is this the sort of industrial relations you want Mr Turnbull.  Workers sacked for wearing stickers?.   :( It may seem over-the-top, but it makes sense if you stop with the left-wing, everyone-hates-unions faux outrage and actually think about it. Those hard hats aren't usually painted black or other hard-to-see colours. They're usually white, orange or yellow so that the wearer is as visible on worksites as possible, just like wearing safety vests. When you start putting stickers all over the hats, they become less visible, placing the wearer in more danger. So this order is entirely justifiable. https://2ecffd01e1ab3e9383f0-07db7b9624bbdf022e3b5395236d5cf8.ssl.cf4.rackcdn.com/Product-800x800/b317791d-1838-4f10-92d7-085eeb7967b5.jpg Its about being in a union and nothing else ,BECHTEL tried this on with us in 2010 but soon backed down Sorry, no. Got nothing to do with Freedom of Association. No one is making workers end their Union membership. They're just being told to remove the stickers for safety reasons. I reckon this hat below has maybe four or five percent left that isn't covered by a sticker. Not much red left to be seen, is there??? http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/2552398-3x2-940x627.jpg Strawman argument , I noticed how you excluded his uniform that could probably seen from space . I work in the industry Armpit , I know why BECHTEL wanted stickers off helmets , they failed  :) Lets hope all the boys grow a pair and down tools .

How do you inspect the outer shell of a hard hat covered in stickers? Answer: you can't!

Section 3 of Australian Standard AS/NZ 1800:1998 Occupational Protective Helmets - Selection, care and use provides advice on the "Care and Maintenance of Occupational Protective Helmets".

Clause 3.4 - Periodic inspection and maintenance, states:

"All components, shells,harnesses, headbands and accessories should be visually inspected at least weekly for signs of dents, cracks, penetration or other damage due to impact, rough treatment or unauthorized alterations which may reduce the degree of safety originally provided.

"Helmets showing damage or deterioration to the shell should be immediately withdrawn from service and discarded (completely destroyed). Helmets known to have been subject to significant impact should also be discarded, (completely destroyed) even where the damage incurred is not obvious.

"Helmets with sound shells but with damaged, excessively dirty, or defective harness components should be withdrawn from service and the complete harness and cradle replaced (see also Clause 3.3)."

Also, see...

https://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owadisp.show_document?p_table=INTERPRETATIONS&p_id=27272

Its time wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 11:13am:

I can count 3 on that helmet that are company issued  :D, let me guess they're ok to have on helmets though ?

It's not like you need to protect anything valuable in your head. May as well wrap it in toilet paper.

crocodile wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 11:14am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 10:57am: Its time wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 10:52am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 10:44am: wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 9:26am: Is this the sort of industrial relations you want Mr Turnbull.  Workers sacked for wearing stickers?.   :( It may seem over-the-top, but it makes sense if you stop with the left-wing, everyone-hates-unions faux outrage and actually think about it. Those hard hats aren't usually painted black or other hard-to-see colours. They're usually white, orange or yellow so that the wearer is as visible on worksites as possible, just like wearing safety vests. When you start putting stickers all over the hats, they become less visible, placing the wearer in more danger. So this order is entirely justifiable. https://2ecffd01e1ab3e9383f0-07db7b9624bbdf022e3b5395236d5cf8.ssl.cf4.rackcdn.com/Product-800x800/b317791d-1838-4f10-92d7-085eeb7967b5.jpg Its about being in a union and nothing else ,BECHTEL tried this on with us in 2010 but soon backed down Sorry, no. Got nothing to do with Freedom of Association. No one is making workers end their Union membership. They're just being told to remove the stickers for safety reasons. I reckon this hat below has maybe four or five percent left that isn't covered by a sticker. Not much red left to be seen, is there??? http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/2552398-3x2-940x627.jpg Some of the insurers won't risk the glue used on the stickers affecting the plastic in the hat. Removing the stickers doesn't sound that onerous to comply with what seems to be quite reasonable.

Reasonable? You're talking about Unionists here!!!  ;D ;D ;D

Aussie, wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 11:15am:

Its time wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 11:13am: I can count 3 on that helmet that are company issued  :D, let me guess they're ok to have on helmets though ? It's not like you need to protect anything valuable in your head. May as well wrap it in toilet paper.

... or tin foil.

Union stickers are offensive to the other 82% of the population.

crocodile wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 11:14am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 10:57am: Its time wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 10:52am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 10:44am: wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 9:26am: Is this the sort of industrial relations you want Mr Turnbull.  Workers sacked for wearing stickers?.   :( It may seem over-the-top, but it makes sense if you stop with the left-wing, everyone-hates-unions faux outrage and actually think about it. Those hard hats aren't usually painted black or other hard-to-see colours. They're usually white, orange or yellow so that the wearer is as visible on worksites as possible, just like wearing safety vests. When you start putting stickers all over the hats, they become less visible, placing the wearer in more danger. So this order is entirely justifiable. https://2ecffd01e1ab3e9383f0-07db7b9624bbdf022e3b5395236d5cf8.ssl.cf4.rackcdn.com/Product-800x800/b317791d-1838-4f10-92d7-085eeb7967b5.jpg Its about being in a union and nothing else ,BECHTEL tried this on with us in 2010 but soon backed down Sorry, no. Got nothing to do with Freedom of Association. No one is making workers end their Union membership. They're just being told to remove the stickers for safety reasons. I reckon this hat below has maybe four or five percent left that isn't covered by a sticker. Not much red left to be seen, is there??? http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/2552398-3x2-940x627.jpg Some of the insurers won't risk the glue used on the stickers affecting the plastic in the hat. Removing the stickers doesn't sound that onerous to comply with what seems to be quite reasonable.

All of ours have reflective tape on them and the clients logo, all stickers , is their glue different to union glue ?

Its time wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 11:21am:

crocodile wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 11:14am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 10:57am: Its time wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 10:52am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 10:44am: wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 9:26am: Is this the sort of industrial relations you want Mr Turnbull.  Workers sacked for wearing stickers?.   :( It may seem over-the-top, but it makes sense if you stop with the left-wing, everyone-hates-unions faux outrage and actually think about it. Those hard hats aren't usually painted black or other hard-to-see colours. They're usually white, orange or yellow so that the wearer is as visible on worksites as possible, just like wearing safety vests. When you start putting stickers all over the hats, they become less visible, placing the wearer in more danger. So this order is entirely justifiable. https://2ecffd01e1ab3e9383f0-07db7b9624bbdf022e3b5395236d5cf8.ssl.cf4.rackcdn.com/Product-800x800/b317791d-1838-4f10-92d7-085eeb7967b5.jpg Its about being in a union and nothing else ,BECHTEL tried this on with us in 2010 but soon backed down Sorry, no. Got nothing to do with Freedom of Association. No one is making workers end their Union membership. They're just being told to remove the stickers for safety reasons. I reckon this hat below has maybe four or five percent left that isn't covered by a sticker. Not much red left to be seen, is there??? http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/2552398-3x2-940x627.jpg Some of the insurers won't risk the glue used on the stickers affecting the plastic in the hat. Removing the stickers doesn't sound that onerous to comply with what seems to be quite reasonable. All of ours have reflective tape on them and the clients logo, all stickers , is their glue different to union glue ?

Yes, union glue is from poor underpaid sweat shops in Bangladesh.

Its time wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 11:21am:

crocodile wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 11:14am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 10:57am: Its time wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 10:52am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 10:44am: wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 9:26am: Is this the sort of industrial relations you want Mr Turnbull.  Workers sacked for wearing stickers?.   :( It may seem over-the-top, but it makes sense if you stop with the left-wing, everyone-hates-unions faux outrage and actually think about it. Those hard hats aren't usually painted black or other hard-to-see colours. They're usually white, orange or yellow so that the wearer is as visible on worksites as possible, just like wearing safety vests. When you start putting stickers all over the hats, they become less visible, placing the wearer in more danger. So this order is entirely justifiable. https://2ecffd01e1ab3e9383f0-07db7b9624bbdf022e3b5395236d5cf8.ssl.cf4.rackcdn.com/Product-800x800/b317791d-1838-4f10-92d7-085eeb7967b5.jpg Its about being in a union and nothing else ,BECHTEL tried this on with us in 2010 but soon backed down Sorry, no. Got nothing to do with Freedom of Association. No one is making workers end their Union membership. They're just being told to remove the stickers for safety reasons. I reckon this hat below has maybe four or five percent left that isn't covered by a sticker. Not much red left to be seen, is there??? http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/2552398-3x2-940x627.jpg Some of the insurers won't risk the glue used on the stickers affecting the plastic in the hat. Removing the stickers doesn't sound that onerous to comply with what seems to be quite reasonable. All of ours have reflective tape on them and the clients logo, all stickers , is their glue different to union glue ?

Reflective tape is one thing, other stickers that have zero to do with improving the visibility of the hard hat wearer shouldn't even be on the hat.

Yes:
http://www.safetyshapes.com/media/helmet_reflect.jpg

No:
http://www.local79.org/wp-content/uploads/Local-79-member-with-many-stickers-on-hardhat.jpg

Aussie, wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 11:31am:

Its time wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 11:21am: crocodile wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 11:14am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 10:57am: Its time wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 10:52am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 10:44am: wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 9:26am: Is this the sort of industrial relations you want Mr Turnbull.  Workers sacked for wearing stickers?.   :( It may seem over-the-top, but it makes sense if you stop with the left-wing, everyone-hates-unions faux outrage and actually think about it. Those hard hats aren't usually painted black or other hard-to-see colours. They're usually white, orange or yellow so that the wearer is as visible on worksites as possible, just like wearing safety vests. When you start putting stickers all over the hats, they become less visible, placing the wearer in more danger. So this order is entirely justifiable. https://2ecffd01e1ab3e9383f0-07db7b9624bbdf022e3b5395236d5cf8.ssl.cf4.rackcdn.com/Product-800x800/b317791d-1838-4f10-92d7-085eeb7967b5.jpg Its about being in a union and nothing else ,BECHTEL tried this on with us in 2010 but soon backed down Sorry, no. Got nothing to do with Freedom of Association. No one is making workers end their Union membership. They're just being told to remove the stickers for safety reasons. I reckon this hat below has maybe four or five percent left that isn't covered by a sticker. Not much red left to be seen, is there??? http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/2552398-3x2-940x627.jpg Some of the insurers won't risk the glue used on the stickers affecting the plastic in the hat. Removing the stickers doesn't sound that onerous to comply with what seems to be quite reasonable. All of ours have reflective tape on them and the clients logo, all stickers , is their glue different to union glue ? Yes, union glue is from poor underpaid sweat shops in Bangladesh.

http://oi64.tinypic.com/2q9gily.jpg

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 11:41am:

Its time wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 11:21am: crocodile wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 11:14am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 10:57am: Its time wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 10:52am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 10:44am: wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 9:26am: Is this the sort of industrial relations you want Mr Turnbull.  Workers sacked for wearing stickers?.   :( It may seem over-the-top, but it makes sense if you stop with the left-wing, everyone-hates-unions faux outrage and actually think about it. Those hard hats aren't usually painted black or other hard-to-see colours. They're usually white, orange or yellow so that the wearer is as visible on worksites as possible, just like wearing safety vests. When you start putting stickers all over the hats, they become less visible, placing the wearer in more danger. So this order is entirely justifiable. https://2ecffd01e1ab3e9383f0-07db7b9624bbdf022e3b5395236d5cf8.ssl.cf4.rackcdn.com/Product-800x800/b317791d-1838-4f10-92d7-085eeb7967b5.jpg Its about being in a union and nothing else ,BECHTEL tried this on with us in 2010 but soon backed down Sorry, no. Got nothing to do with Freedom of Association. No one is making workers end their Union membership. They're just being told to remove the stickers for safety reasons. I reckon this hat below has maybe four or five percent left that isn't covered by a sticker. Not much red left to be seen, is there??? http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/2552398-3x2-940x627.jpg Some of the insurers won't risk the glue used on the stickers affecting the plastic in the hat. Removing the stickers doesn't sound that onerous to comply with what seems to be quite reasonable. All of ours have reflective tape on them and the clients logo, all stickers , is their glue different to union glue ? Reflective tape is one thing, other stickers that have zero to do with improving the visibility of the hard hat wearer shouldn't even be on the hat.

Like induction stickers and first aid stickers ?

Its time wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 11:21am:

crocodile wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 11:14am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 10:57am: Its time wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 10:52am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 10:44am: wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 9:26am: Is this the sort of industrial relations you want Mr Turnbull.  Workers sacked for wearing stickers?.   :( It may seem over-the-top, but it makes sense if you stop with the left-wing, everyone-hates-unions faux outrage and actually think about it. Those hard hats aren't usually painted black or other hard-to-see colours. They're usually white, orange or yellow so that the wearer is as visible on worksites as possible, just like wearing safety vests. When you start putting stickers all over the hats, they become less visible, placing the wearer in more danger. So this order is entirely justifiable. https://2ecffd01e1ab3e9383f0-07db7b9624bbdf022e3b5395236d5cf8.ssl.cf4.rackcdn.com/Product-800x800/b317791d-1838-4f10-92d7-085eeb7967b5.jpg Its about being in a union and nothing else ,BECHTEL tried this on with us in 2010 but soon backed down Sorry, no. Got nothing to do with Freedom of Association. No one is making workers end their Union membership. They're just being told to remove the stickers for safety reasons. I reckon this hat below has maybe four or five percent left that isn't covered by a sticker. Not much red left to be seen, is there??? http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/2552398-3x2-940x627.jpg Some of the insurers won't risk the glue used on the stickers affecting the plastic in the hat. Removing the stickers doesn't sound that onerous to comply with what seems to be quite reasonable. All of ours have reflective tape on them and the clients logo, all stickers , is their glue different to union glue ?

That's the point. Nobody knows. Take away the risk. That's what insurers do.

If you want to advertise your anti-business and communist inclinations, don't do it on company time.

Aussie, wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 11:15am:

Its time wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 11:13am: I can count 3 on that helmet that are company issued  :D, let me guess they're ok to have on helmets though ? It's not like you need to protect anything valuable in your head. May as well wrap it in toilet paper.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I know I should laugh...but that is funny..

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Its time wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 11:13am:

I can count 3 on that helmet that are company issued  :D, let me guess they're ok to have on helmets though ?

hey everybody..

leftard can count to 3..

who would have thought that?

Redmond Neck wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 9:59am:

cods wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 9:53am: to each his own.. all I kn ow is when driving behind a car with a lot of stickers on the back I tend to read the stickers instead of watching the road.. its the same with notices alongside the road..lucky us in ACT they are mostly illegal...but isnt the idea when driving/ working in a hard hat area you keep your eye on the road/work place rather than read stickers??? I find it a bit immature to be honest...let them put their stickers on their lunch boxs.... ::) I see the vandals have been getting at Zed Seselja's signs in the ACT with red circles and a cross on them. I was actually thinking of going for a walk and ripping them up myself but the rain deterred me!  ;D ;D ;D ;D

I was under the impression they were not allowed in ACT.. and so far I havent seen any thank god..

I do hope you dont stoop to that level..   but then you thought about it... soooooI can only guess you would...

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/thumb/msid-48147607,width-400,resizemode-4/48147607.jpg

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 11:41am:

Its time wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 11:21am: crocodile wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 11:14am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 10:57am: Its time wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 10:52am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 10:44am: wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 9:26am: Is this the sort of industrial relations you want Mr Turnbull.  Workers sacked for wearing stickers?.   :( It may seem over-the-top, but it makes sense if you stop with the left-wing, everyone-hates-unions faux outrage and actually think about it. Those hard hats aren't usually painted black or other hard-to-see colours. They're usually white, orange or yellow so that the wearer is as visible on worksites as possible, just like wearing safety vests. When you start putting stickers all over the hats, they become less visible, placing the wearer in more danger. So this order is entirely justifiable. https://2ecffd01e1ab3e9383f0-07db7b9624bbdf022e3b5395236d5cf8.ssl.cf4.rackcdn.com/Product-800x800/b317791d-1838-4f10-92d7-085eeb7967b5.jpg Its about being in a union and nothing else ,BECHTEL tried this on with us in 2010 but soon backed down Sorry, no. Got nothing to do with Freedom of Association. No one is making workers end their Union membership. They're just being told to remove the stickers for safety reasons. I reckon this hat below has maybe four or five percent left that isn't covered by a sticker. Not much red left to be seen, is there??? http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/2552398-3x2-940x627.jpg Some of the insurers won't risk the glue used on the stickers affecting the plastic in the hat. Removing the stickers doesn't sound that onerous to comply with what seems to be quite reasonable. All of ours have reflective tape on them and the clients logo, all stickers , is their glue different to union glue ? Reflective tape is one thing, other stickers that have zero to do with improving the visibility of the hard hat wearer shouldn't even be on the hat. Yes: http://www.safetyshapes.com/media/helmet_reflect.jpg No: http://www.local79.org/wp-content/uploads/Local-79-member-with-many-stickers-on-hardhat.jpg

Not your hat?

Then it's not your call.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 10:44am:

wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 9:26am: Is this the sort of industrial relations you want Mr Turnbull.  Workers sacked for wearing stickers?.   :( It may seem over-the-top, but it makes sense if you stop with the left-wing, everyone-hates-unions faux outrage and actually think about it. Those hard hats aren't usually painted black or other hard-to-see colours. They're usually white, orange or yellow so that the wearer is as visible on worksites as possible, just like wearing safety vests. When you start putting stickers all over the hats, they become less visible, placing the wearer in more danger. So this order is entirely justifiable. https://2ecffd01e1ab3e9383f0-07db7b9624bbdf022e3b5395236d5cf8.ssl.cf4.rackcdn.com/Product-800x800/b317791d-1838-4f10-92d7-085eeb7967b5.jpg

Is that so???

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=industrial+hard+hat+images&biw=1366&bih=651&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiq3425sZLNAhXBppQKHQGkCKgQsAQIGg

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John Smith wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 12:20pm:

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Bingo

Lots of other colours, as well.

Feel free to check out the link, AP.

:)

Lobo wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 12:51pm:

Is that so???

I doubt armpit has ever been on a construction site :D :D ... his idea of a hard hat is the bike helmet his mum makes him wear when he walks to the shop

Lobo wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 12:51pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 10:44am: wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 9:26am: Is this the sort of industrial relations you want Mr Turnbull.  Workers sacked for wearing stickers?.   :( It may seem over-the-top, but it makes sense if you stop with the left-wing, everyone-hates-unions faux outrage and actually think about it. Those hard hats aren't usually painted black or other hard-to-see colours. They're usually white, orange or yellow so that the wearer is as visible on worksites as possible, just like wearing safety vests. When you start putting stickers all over the hats, they become less visible, placing the wearer in more danger. So this order is entirely justifiable. https://2ecffd01e1ab3e9383f0-07db7b9624bbdf022e3b5395236d5cf8.ssl.cf4.rackcdn.com/Product-800x800/b317791d-1838-4f10-92d7-085eeb7967b5.jpg Is that so??? https://www.google.com.au/search?q=industrial+hard+hat+images&biw=1366&bih=651&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiq3425sZLNAhXBppQKHQGkCKgQsAQIGg

Show me the bit where I said "only". ::)

Lobo wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 12:52pm:

Lots of other colours, as well. Feel free to check out the link, AP. :)

You need to go back to school. You're confusing "usually" with "only". ::)

Lobo wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 12:52pm:

Lots of other colours, as well. Feel free to check out the link, AP. :)

Already explained it to him once.

But, like the hats themselves, it went over his head.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 12:59pm:

Lobo wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 12:52pm: Lots of other colours, as well. Feel free to check out the link, AP. :) You need to go back to school. You're confusing "usually" with "only". ::)

so your excuse was a load of sh1t? thanks for playing :D :D

John Smith wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 12:54pm:

Lobo wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 12:51pm: Is that so??? I doubt armpit has ever been on a construction site :D :D ... his idea of a hard hat is the bike helmet his mum makes him wear when he walks to the shop

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 12:58pm:

Lobo wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 12:51pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 10:44am: wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 9:26am: Is this the sort of industrial relations you want Mr Turnbull.  Workers sacked for wearing stickers?.   :( It may seem over-the-top, but it makes sense if you stop with the left-wing, everyone-hates-unions faux outrage and actually think about it. Those hard hats aren't usually painted black or other hard-to-see colours. They're usually white, orange or yellow so that the wearer is as visible on worksites as possible, just like wearing safety vests. When you start putting stickers all over the hats, they become less visible, placing the wearer in more danger. So this order is entirely justifiable. https://2ecffd01e1ab3e9383f0-07db7b9624bbdf022e3b5395236d5cf8.ssl.cf4.rackcdn.com/Product-800x800/b317791d-1838-4f10-92d7-085eeb7967b5.jpg Is that so??? https://www.google.com.au/search?q=industrial+hard+hat+images&biw=1366&bih=651&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiq3425sZLNAhXBppQKHQGkCKgQsAQIGg Show me the bit where I said "only". ::)

Show me the bit where I said that you said "only"..... :)

Lets hope they all just say a big phucccccck you and go out the gate

Kat wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 12:59pm:

Lobo wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 12:52pm: Lots of other colours, as well. Feel free to check out the link, AP. :) Already explained it to him once. But, like the hats themselves, it went over his head.

Yeah, I know, but like some dogs, you have to take some people through the lesson more than once.

If I'd had a couple of doggy-bix I would have offered him one as a reward.

Lobo wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 1:03pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 12:58pm: Lobo wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 12:51pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 10:44am: wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 9:26am: Is this the sort of industrial relations you want Mr Turnbull.  Workers sacked for wearing stickers?.   :( It may seem over-the-top, but it makes sense if you stop with the left-wing, everyone-hates-unions faux outrage and actually think about it. Those hard hats aren't usually painted black or other hard-to-see colours. They're usually white, orange or yellow so that the wearer is as visible on worksites as possible, just like wearing safety vests. When you start putting stickers all over the hats, they become less visible, placing the wearer in more danger. So this order is entirely justifiable. https://2ecffd01e1ab3e9383f0-07db7b9624bbdf022e3b5395236d5cf8.ssl.cf4.rackcdn.com/Product-800x800/b317791d-1838-4f10-92d7-085eeb7967b5.jpg Is that so??? https://www.google.com.au/search?q=industrial+hard+hat+images&biw=1366&bih=651&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiq3425sZLNAhXBppQKHQGkCKgQsAQIGg Show me the bit where I said "only". ::) Show me the bit where I said that you said "only"..... :)

They're wearing high vis clothing so it's an idiotic argument anyway , our safety department wear the very blue helmets you posted up , armpit, you lose ,again .

Kat wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 12:34pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 11:41am: Its time wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 11:21am: crocodile wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 11:14am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 10:57am: Its time wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 10:52am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 10:44am: wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 9:26am: Is this the sort of industrial relations you want Mr Turnbull.  Workers sacked for wearing stickers?.   :( It may seem over-the-top, but it makes sense if you stop with the left-wing, everyone-hates-unions faux outrage and actually think about it. Those hard hats aren't usually painted black or other hard-to-see colours. They're usually white, orange or yellow so that the wearer is as visible on worksites as possible, just like wearing safety vests. When you start putting stickers all over the hats, they become less visible, placing the wearer in more danger. So this order is entirely justifiable. https://2ecffd01e1ab3e9383f0-07db7b9624bbdf022e3b5395236d5cf8.ssl.cf4.rackcdn.com/Product-800x800/b317791d-1838-4f10-92d7-085eeb7967b5.jpg Its about being in a union and nothing else ,BECHTEL tried this on with us in 2010 but soon backed down Sorry, no. Got nothing to do with Freedom of Association. No one is making workers end their Union membership. They're just being told to remove the stickers for safety reasons. I reckon this hat below has maybe four or five percent left that isn't covered by a sticker. Not much red left to be seen, is there??? http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/2552398-3x2-940x627.jpg Some of the insurers won't risk the glue used on the stickers affecting the plastic in the hat. Removing the stickers doesn't sound that onerous to comply with what seems to be quite reasonable. All of ours have reflective tape on them and the clients logo, all stickers , is their glue different to union glue ? Reflective tape is one thing, other stickers that have zero to do with improving the visibility of the hard hat wearer shouldn't even be on the hat. Yes: http://www.safetyshapes.com/media/helmet_reflect.jpg No: http://www.local79.org/wp-content/uploads/Local-79-member-with-many-stickers-on-hardhat.jpg Not your hat? Then it's not your call.

Not your site either. Not your call.

Its time wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 1:08pm:

Lobo wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 1:03pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 12:58pm: Lobo wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 12:51pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 10:44am: wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 9:26am: Is this the sort of industrial relations you want Mr Turnbull.  Workers sacked for wearing stickers?.   :( It may seem over-the-top, but it makes sense if you stop with the left-wing, everyone-hates-unions faux outrage and actually think about it. Those hard hats aren't usually painted black or other hard-to-see colours. They're usually white, orange or yellow so that the wearer is as visible on worksites as possible, just like wearing safety vests. When you start putting stickers all over the hats, they become less visible, placing the wearer in more danger. So this order is entirely justifiable. https://2ecffd01e1ab3e9383f0-07db7b9624bbdf022e3b5395236d5cf8.ssl.cf4.rackcdn.com/Product-800x800/b317791d-1838-4f10-92d7-085eeb7967b5.jpg Is that so??? https://www.google.com.au/search?q=industrial+hard+hat+images&biw=1366&bih=651&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiq3425sZLNAhXBppQKHQGkCKgQsAQIGg Show me the bit where I said "only". ::) Show me the bit where I said that you said "only"..... :) They're wearing high vis clothing so it's an idiotic argument anyway , our safety department wear the very blue helmets you posted up , armpit, you lose ,again .

How much of a high-vis vest do you think a crane operator sitting above the street can see, or workers a couple of floors up? Gawd, you're daft.

crocodile wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 1:16pm:

Kat wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 12:34pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 11:41am: Its time wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 11:21am: crocodile wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 11:14am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 10:57am: Its time wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 10:52am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 10:44am: wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 9:26am: Is this the sort of industrial relations you want Mr Turnbull.  Workers sacked for wearing stickers?.   :( It may seem over-the-top, but it makes sense if you stop with the left-wing, everyone-hates-unions faux outrage and actually think about it. Those hard hats aren't usually painted black or other hard-to-see colours. They're usually white, orange or yellow so that the wearer is as visible on worksites as possible, just like wearing safety vests. When you start putting stickers all over the hats, they become less visible, placing the wearer in more danger. So this order is entirely justifiable. https://2ecffd01e1ab3e9383f0-07db7b9624bbdf022e3b5395236d5cf8.ssl.cf4.rackcdn.com/Product-800x800/b317791d-1838-4f10-92d7-085eeb7967b5.jpg Its about being in a union and nothing else ,BECHTEL tried this on with us in 2010 but soon backed down Sorry, no. Got nothing to do with Freedom of Association. No one is making workers end their Union membership. They're just being told to remove the stickers for safety reasons. I reckon this hat below has maybe four or five percent left that isn't covered by a sticker. Not much red left to be seen, is there??? http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/2552398-3x2-940x627.jpg Some of the insurers won't risk the glue used on the stickers affecting the plastic in the hat. Removing the stickers doesn't sound that onerous to comply with what seems to be quite reasonable. All of ours have reflective tape on them and the clients logo, all stickers , is their glue different to union glue ? Reflective tape is one thing, other stickers that have zero to do with improving the visibility of the hard hat wearer shouldn't even be on the hat. Yes: http://www.safetyshapes.com/media/helmet_reflect.jpg No: http://www.local79.org/wp-content/uploads/Local-79-member-with-many-stickers-on-hardhat.jpg Not your hat? Then it's not your call. Not your site either. Not your call.

Exactly. You work on someone's site that they're responsible, you follow their rules.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 1:19pm:

Its time wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 1:08pm: Lobo wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 1:03pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 12:58pm: Lobo wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 12:51pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 10:44am: wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 9:26am: Is this the sort of industrial relations you want Mr Turnbull.  Workers sacked for wearing stickers?.   :( It may seem over-the-top, but it makes sense if you stop with the left-wing, everyone-hates-unions faux outrage and actually think about it. Those hard hats aren't usually painted black or other hard-to-see colours. They're usually white, orange or yellow so that the wearer is as visible on worksites as possible, just like wearing safety vests. When you start putting stickers all over the hats, they become less visible, placing the wearer in more danger. So this order is entirely justifiable. https://2ecffd01e1ab3e9383f0-07db7b9624bbdf022e3b5395236d5cf8.ssl.cf4.rackcdn.com/Product-800x800/b317791d-1838-4f10-92d7-085eeb7967b5.jpg Is that so??? https://www.google.com.au/search?q=industrial+hard+hat+images&biw=1366&bih=651&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiq3425sZLNAhXBppQKHQGkCKgQsAQIGg Show me the bit where I said "only". ::) Show me the bit where I said that you said "only"..... :) They're wearing high vis clothing so it's an idiotic argument anyway , our safety department wear the very blue helmets you posted up , armpit, you lose ,again . How much of a high-vis vest do you think a crane operator sitting above the street can see, or workers a couple of floors up? Gawd, you're daft.

fawk you're an idiot .... crane drivers don't have to see the workers, that's what they have dog men for  :D :D :D

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eah, I know, but like some dogs, you have to take some people through the lesson more than once. If I'd had a couple of doggy-bix I would have offered him one as a reward

is it just me?.. but we see fairly reasonable thread destroyed by personal comments that  have nothing whatever to do with the topic at hand..

why is that???...why is it people cannot discuss in a reasonable fashion when they disagree on something every thread ends up like this..

take a look at the comment above.. what on earth did Ap say to deserve that????..

nothing he said that I have read IS AS BAD AS THAT COMMENT.. its bad enough to be reported..

dont worry I wont,.. I will let the judges on the forum decide.. I know what I think..

AP whos name is armchair -Politician quite a reasonable name for this forum.. not armpit which the juveniles amongst us seem to relish as if it give AP hives or something..

' how about your forum members do a bit of growing up..

you bring down the level of this forum over and over again.... its isnt hard just treat people with the same respect you would like to be treated with...

and referring to others as if they are no better than a dog... just because you dont agree.. and just because you have the backing of the usual people who have nothing to add to a debate other than to bait  the person who happens to be  flavour of the day... >:(

someone accuses AP of never being on a construction site... wouldnt that apply to most on here???>... even more so in the last 5 or 6 years.....

we have a thread where a person was sacked for helping himself to the bosses coffee.. which wasnt supplied for him... he claimed they were friendly so he thought he had the right..

it was suggested that attitude was wrong  no he didnt have the right to help himself..

surely the same approach is here.

the men were ona construction site.. something that they were only entitled to do if they were employed by the construction company..

and the company makes the rules...doesnt matter if its about coffee or stickers.. the company that owns the business makes the rules..and they say no stickers.. then that has to be it.. ::)

what is so hard about that?....

why does it have to turn into a DOG fight?. >:( >:( >:(

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 1:21pm:

crocodile wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 1:16pm: Kat wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 12:34pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 11:41am: Its time wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 11:21am: crocodile wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 11:14am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 10:57am: Its time wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 10:52am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 10:44am: wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 9:26am: Is this the sort of industrial relations you want Mr Turnbull.  Workers sacked for wearing stickers?.   :( It may seem over-the-top, but it makes sense if you stop with the left-wing, everyone-hates-unions faux outrage and actually think about it. Those hard hats aren't usually painted black or other hard-to-see colours. They're usually white, orange or yellow so that the wearer is as visible on worksites as possible, just like wearing safety vests. When you start putting stickers all over the hats, they become less visible, placing the wearer in more danger. So this order is entirely justifiable. https://2ecffd01e1ab3e9383f0-07db7b9624bbdf022e3b5395236d5cf8.ssl.cf4.rackcdn.com/Product-800x800/b317791d-1838-4f10-92d7-085eeb7967b5.jpg Its about being in a union and nothing else ,BECHTEL tried this on with us in 2010 but soon backed down Sorry, no. Got nothing to do with Freedom of Association. No one is making workers end their Union membership. They're just being told to remove the stickers for safety reasons. I reckon this hat below has maybe four or five percent left that isn't covered by a sticker. Not much red left to be seen, is there??? http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/2552398-3x2-940x627.jpg Some of the insurers won't risk the glue used on the stickers affecting the plastic in the hat. Removing the stickers doesn't sound that onerous to comply with what seems to be quite reasonable. All of ours have reflective tape on them and the clients logo, all stickers , is their glue different to union glue ? Reflective tape is one thing, other stickers that have zero to do with improving the visibility of the hard hat wearer shouldn't even be on the hat. Yes: http://www.safetyshapes.com/media/helmet_reflect.jpg No: http://www.local79.org/wp-content/uploads/Local-79-member-with-many-stickers-on-hardhat.jpg Not your hat? Then it's not your call. Not your site either. Not your call. Exactly. You work on someone's site that they're responsible, you follow their rules.

It is if you expect me to work there.

Now, get back in your boxes.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 1:19pm:

Its time wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 1:08pm: Lobo wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 1:03pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 12:58pm: Lobo wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 12:51pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 10:44am: wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 9:26am: Is this the sort of industrial relations you want Mr Turnbull.  Workers sacked for wearing stickers?.   :( It may seem over-the-top, but it makes sense if you stop with the left-wing, everyone-hates-unions faux outrage and actually think about it. Those hard hats aren't usually painted black or other hard-to-see colours. They're usually white, orange or yellow so that the wearer is as visible on worksites as possible, just like wearing safety vests. When you start putting stickers all over the hats, they become less visible, placing the wearer in more danger. So this order is entirely justifiable. https://2ecffd01e1ab3e9383f0-07db7b9624bbdf022e3b5395236d5cf8.ssl.cf4.rackcdn.com/Product-800x800/b317791d-1838-4f10-92d7-085eeb7967b5.jpg Is that so??? https://www.google.com.au/search?q=industrial+hard+hat+images&biw=1366&bih=651&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiq3425sZLNAhXBppQKHQGkCKgQsAQIGg Show me the bit where I said "only". ::) Show me the bit where I said that you said "only"..... :) They're wearing high vis clothing so it's an idiotic argument anyway , our safety department wear the very blue helmets you posted up , armpit, you lose ,again . How much of a high-vis vest do you think a crane operator sitting above the street can see, or workers a couple of floors up? Gawd, you're daft.

You never stand under a suspended load nor do you work under someone working above you without over head protection , this is basic stuff Armpit , you want me to pay for online white card so you actually understand the basics of the industry ?

John Smith wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 1:23pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 1:19pm: Its time wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 1:08pm: Lobo wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 1:03pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 12:58pm: Lobo wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 12:51pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 10:44am: wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 9:26am: Is this the sort of industrial relations you want Mr Turnbull.  Workers sacked for wearing stickers?.   :( It may seem over-the-top, but it makes sense if you stop with the left-wing, everyone-hates-unions faux outrage and actually think about it. Those hard hats aren't usually painted black or other hard-to-see colours. They're usually white, orange or yellow so that the wearer is as visible on worksites as possible, just like wearing safety vests. When you start putting stickers all over the hats, they become less visible, placing the wearer in more danger. So this order is entirely justifiable. https://2ecffd01e1ab3e9383f0-07db7b9624bbdf022e3b5395236d5cf8.ssl.cf4.rackcdn.com/Product-800x800/b317791d-1838-4f10-92d7-085eeb7967b5.jpg Is that so??? https://www.google.com.au/search?q=industrial+hard+hat+images&biw=1366&bih=651&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiq3425sZLNAhXBppQKHQGkCKgQsAQIGg Show me the bit where I said "only". ::) Show me the bit where I said that you said "only"..... :) They're wearing high vis clothing so it's an idiotic argument anyway , our safety department wear the very blue helmets you posted up , armpit, you lose ,again . How much of a high-vis vest do you think a crane operator sitting above the street can see, or workers a couple of floors up? Gawd, you're daft. fawk you're an idiot .... crane drivers don't have to see the workers, that's what they have dog men for  :D :D :D

Gawd, I hope I never run into him on a site some day.

Might have to book my crew off for their own safety.

Kat wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 1:27pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 1:23pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 1:19pm: Its time wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 1:08pm: Lobo wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 1:03pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 12:58pm: Lobo wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 12:51pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 10:44am: wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 9:26am: Is this the sort of industrial relations you want Mr Turnbull.  Workers sacked for wearing stickers?.   :( It may seem over-the-top, but it makes sense if you stop with the left-wing, everyone-hates-unions faux outrage and actually think about it. Those hard hats aren't usually painted black or other hard-to-see colours. They're usually white, orange or yellow so that the wearer is as visible on worksites as possible, just like wearing safety vests. When you start putting stickers all over the hats, they become less visible, placing the wearer in more danger. So this order is entirely justifiable. https://2ecffd01e1ab3e9383f0-07db7b9624bbdf022e3b5395236d5cf8.ssl.cf4.rackcdn.com/Product-800x800/b317791d-1838-4f10-92d7-085eeb7967b5.jpg Is that so??? https://www.google.com.au/search?q=industrial+hard+hat+images&biw=1366&bih=651&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiq3425sZLNAhXBppQKHQGkCKgQsAQIGg Show me the bit where I said "only". ::) Show me the bit where I said that you said "only"..... :) They're wearing high vis clothing so it's an idiotic argument anyway , our safety department wear the very blue helmets you posted up , armpit, you lose ,again . How much of a high-vis vest do you think a crane operator sitting above the street can see, or workers a couple of floors up? Gawd, you're daft. fawk you're an idiot .... crane drivers don't have to see the workers, that's what they have dog men for  :D :D :D Gawd, I hope I never run into him on a site some day. Might have to book my crew off for their own safety.

Someone sent me a pic of you "working" recently...

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/03/28/article-2591303-1CA17A3800000578-151_634x475.jpg

Kat wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 1:24pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 1:21pm: crocodile wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 1:16pm: Kat wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 12:34pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 11:41am: Its time wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 11:21am: crocodile wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 11:14am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 10:57am: Its time wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 10:52am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 10:44am: wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 9:26am: Is this the sort of industrial relations you want Mr Turnbull.  Workers sacked for wearing stickers?.   :( It may seem over-the-top, but it makes sense if you stop with the left-wing, everyone-hates-unions faux outrage and actually think about it. Those hard hats aren't usually painted black or other hard-to-see colours. They're usually white, orange or yellow so that the wearer is as visible on worksites as possible, just like wearing safety vests. When you start putting stickers all over the hats, they become less visible, placing the wearer in more danger. So this order is entirely justifiable. https://2ecffd01e1ab3e9383f0-07db7b9624bbdf022e3b5395236d5cf8.ssl.cf4.rackcdn.com/Product-800x800/b317791d-1838-4f10-92d7-085eeb7967b5.jpg Its about being in a union and nothing else ,BECHTEL tried this on with us in 2010 but soon backed down Sorry, no. Got nothing to do with Freedom of Association. No one is making workers end their Union membership. They're just being told to remove the stickers for safety reasons. I reckon this hat below has maybe four or five percent left that isn't covered by a sticker. Not much red left to be seen, is there??? http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/2552398-3x2-940x627.jpg Some of the insurers won't risk the glue used on the stickers affecting the plastic in the hat. Removing the stickers doesn't sound that onerous to comply with what seems to be quite reasonable. All of ours have reflective tape on them and the clients logo, all stickers , is their glue different to union glue ? Reflective tape is one thing, other stickers that have zero to do with improving the visibility of the hard hat wearer shouldn't even be on the hat. Yes: http://www.safetyshapes.com/media/helmet_reflect.jpg No: http://www.local79.org/wp-content/uploads/Local-79-member-with-many-stickers-on-hardhat.jpg Not your hat? Then it's not your call. Not your site either. Not your call. Exactly. You work on someone's site that they're responsible, you follow their rules. It is if you expect me to work there. Now, get back in your boxes.

Explains why you're unemployed and unemployable.

Kat wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 9:45am:

If the hard-hat was my personal property, as opposed to company-issued (and mine is), I'd put whatever stickers I saw fit onto it (and have). The only time an employer should have the right to complain is if the stickers are offensive. Union stickers are not offensive.

Good point.  Workers should have to buy their own equipment if they want to deface company assets with commie propaganda....

Have you upgraded from fixing old malvern stars Katster?

cods wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 1:24pm:

Quote: eah, I know, but like some dogs, you have to take some people through the lesson more than once. If I'd had a couple of doggy-bix I would have offered him one as a reward is it just me?.. but we see fairly reasonable thread destroyed by personal comments that  have nothing whatever to do with the topic at hand.. why is that???...why is it people cannot discuss in a reasonable fashion when they disagree on something every thread ends up like this.. take a look at the comment above.. what on earth did Ap say to deserve that????.. nothing he said that I have read IS AS BAD AS THAT COMMENT.. its bad enough to be reported.. dont worry I wont,.. I will let the judges on the forum decide.. I know what I think.. AP whos name is armchair -Politician quite a reasonable name for this forum.. not armpit which the juveniles amongst us seem to relish as if it give AP hives or something.. ' how about your forum members do a bit of growing up.. you bring down the level of this forum over and over again.... its isnt hard just treat people with the same respect you would like to be treated with... and referring to others as if they are no better than a dog... just because you dont agree.. and just because you have the backing of the usual people who have nothing to add to a debate other than to bait  the person who happens to be  flavour of the day... >:( someone accuses AP of never being on a construction site... wouldnt that apply to most on here???>... even more so in the last 5 or 6 years..... we have a thread where a person was sacked for helping himself to the bosses coffee.. which wasnt supplied for him... he claimed they were friendly so he thought he had the right.. it was suggested that attitude was wrong  no he didnt have the right to help himself.. surely the same approach is here. the men were ona construction site.. something that they were only entitled to do if they were employed by the construction company.. and the company makes the rules...doesnt matter if its about coffee or stickers.. the company that owns the business makes the rules..and they say no stickers.. then that has to be it.. ::) what is so hard about that?.... why does it have to turn into a DOG fight?. >:( >:( >:(

What bit are you objecting to, cods?

Kat wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 1:27pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 1:23pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 1:19pm: Its time wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 1:08pm: Lobo wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 1:03pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 12:58pm: Lobo wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 12:51pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 10:44am: wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 9:26am: Is this the sort of industrial relations you want Mr Turnbull.  Workers sacked for wearing stickers?.   :( It may seem over-the-top, but it makes sense if you stop with the left-wing, everyone-hates-unions faux outrage and actually think about it. Those hard hats aren't usually painted black or other hard-to-see colours. They're usually white, orange or yellow so that the wearer is as visible on worksites as possible, just like wearing safety vests. When you start putting stickers all over the hats, they become less visible, placing the wearer in more danger. So this order is entirely justifiable. https://2ecffd01e1ab3e9383f0-07db7b9624bbdf022e3b5395236d5cf8.ssl.cf4.rackcdn.com/Product-800x800/b317791d-1838-4f10-92d7-085eeb7967b5.jpg Is that so??? https://www.google.com.au/search?q=industrial+hard+hat+images&biw=1366&bih=651&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiq3425sZLNAhXBppQKHQGkCKgQsAQIGg Show me the bit where I said "only". ::) Show me the bit where I said that you said "only"..... :) They're wearing high vis clothing so it's an idiotic argument anyway , our safety department wear the very blue helmets you posted up , armpit, you lose ,again . How much of a high-vis vest do you think a crane operator sitting above the street can see, or workers a couple of floors up? Gawd, you're daft. fawk you're an idiot .... crane drivers don't have to see the workers, that's what they have dog men for  :D :D :D Gawd, I hope I never run into him on a site some day. Might have to book my crew off for their own safety.

A wise decision , I have had few like Armpit on my crew who won't listen, don't get it, never will get it , I just tell them to go and sit in crib hut all day where they cant harm anybody , I can pick them within a few hours , they get bored quick and leave , or the project manager escorts them off site  :)

cods wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 1:24pm:

Quote: eah, I know, but like some dogs, you have to take some people through the lesson more than once. If I'd had a couple of doggy-bix I would have offered him one as a reward is it just me?.. but we see fairly reasonable thread destroyed by personal comments that  have nothing whatever to do with the topic at hand.. why is that???...why is it people cannot discuss in a reasonable fashion when they disagree on something every thread ends up like this.. take a look at the comment above.. what on earth did Ap say to deserve that????.. nothing he said that I have read IS AS BAD AS THAT COMMENT.. its bad enough to be reported.. dont worry I wont,.. I will let the judges on the forum decide.. I know what I think.. AP whos name is armchair -Politician quite a reasonable name for this forum.. not armpit which the juveniles amongst us seem to relish as if it give AP hives or something.. ' how about your forum members do a bit of growing up.. you bring down the level of this forum over and over again.... its isnt hard just treat people with the same respect you would like to be treated with... and referring to others as if they are no better than a dog... just because you dont agree.. and just because you have the backing of the usual people who have nothing to add to a debate other than to bait  the person who happens to be  flavour of the day... >:( someone accuses AP of never being on a construction site... wouldnt that apply to most on here???>... even more so in the last 5 or 6 years..... we have a thread where a person was sacked for helping himself to the bosses coffee.. which wasnt supplied for him... he claimed they were friendly so he thought he had the right.. it was suggested that attitude was wrong  no he didnt have the right to help himself.. surely the same approach is here. the men were ona construction site.. something that they were only entitled to do if they were employed by the construction company.. and the company makes the rules...doesnt matter if its about coffee or stickers.. the company that owns the business makes the rules..and they say no stickers.. then that has to be it.. ::) what is so hard about that?.... why does it have to turn into a DOG fight?. >:( >:( >:(

It's the lefty way, Cods. If you don't join a Union you're a scab. If you don't protest a war, you're a warmonger. If you don't agree with their point of view on race, you're racist. If you don't agree with them on gender issues, you're sexist. If you don't agree with them on global warming, you're a denier. Basically, if you don't conform to their ways and views, out come the knives.

Kat wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 1:24pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 1:21pm: crocodile wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 1:16pm: Kat wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 12:34pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 11:41am: Its time wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 11:21am: crocodile wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 11:14am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 10:57am: Its time wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 10:52am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 10:44am: wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 9:26am: Is this the sort of industrial relations you want Mr Turnbull.  Workers sacked for wearing stickers?.   :( It may seem over-the-top, but it makes sense if you stop with the left-wing, everyone-hates-unions faux outrage and actually think about it. Those hard hats aren't usually painted black or other hard-to-see colours. They're usually white, orange or yellow so that the wearer is as visible on worksites as possible, just like wearing safety vests. When you start putting stickers all over the hats, they become less visible, placing the wearer in more danger. So this order is entirely justifiable. https://2ecffd01e1ab3e9383f0-07db7b9624bbdf022e3b5395236d5cf8.ssl.cf4.rackcdn.com/Product-800x800/b317791d-1838-4f10-92d7-085eeb7967b5.jpg Its about being in a union and nothing else ,BECHTEL tried this on with us in 2010 but soon backed down Sorry, no. Got nothing to do with Freedom of Association. No one is making workers end their Union membership. They're just being told to remove the stickers for safety reasons. I reckon this hat below has maybe four or five percent left that isn't covered by a sticker. Not much red left to be seen, is there??? http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/2552398-3x2-940x627.jpg Some of the insurers won't risk the glue used on the stickers affecting the plastic in the hat. Removing the stickers doesn't sound that onerous to comply with what seems to be quite reasonable. All of ours have reflective tape on them and the clients logo, all stickers , is their glue different to union glue ? Reflective tape is one thing, other stickers that have zero to do with improving the visibility of the hard hat wearer shouldn't even be on the hat. Yes: http://www.safetyshapes.com/media/helmet_reflect.jpg No: http://www.local79.org/wp-content/uploads/Local-79-member-with-many-stickers-on-hardhat.jpg Not your hat? Then it's not your call. Not your site either. Not your call. Exactly. You work on someone's site that they're responsible, you follow their rules. It is if you expect me to work there. Now, get back in your boxes.

Good. It seems then if you don't like the rules then you're not expected to work there. Now get the bugger off of my site.

Its time wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 1:39pm:

I just tell them to go and sit in crib hut all day where they cant harm anybody  :)

....next to you  :D

Swagman wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 2:01pm:

Its time wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 1:39pm: I just tell them to go and sit in crib hut all day where they cant harm anybody  :) ....next to you  :D

Explains how him and Kat are on here all day.

They're just stickers, more-ons. No one is taking away your Union membership. Just take off the offending stickers. You'll still be the same law-abiding Union thugs.  :)

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 2:18pm:

Swagman wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 2:01pm: Its time wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 1:39pm: I just tell them to go and sit in crib hut all day where they cant harm anybody  :) ....next to you  :D Explains how him and Kat are on here all day.

PH over this way today , thoroughly enjoy getting paid for the day off , thanks unions  :)

Its time wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 2:38pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 2:18pm: Swagman wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 2:01pm: Its time wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 1:39pm: I just tell them to go and sit in crib hut all day where they cant harm anybody  :) ....next to you  :D Explains how him and Kat are on here all day. PH over this way today , thoroughly enjoy getting paid for the day off , thanks unions  :)

Ours is next week.  God save the Queen.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 1:32pm:

Explains why you're unemployed and unemployable.

Go and have sex with your wellie.

Bet I've done more than you ever will.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 2:18pm:

Swagman wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 2:01pm: Its time wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 1:39pm: I just tell them to go and sit in crib hut all day where they cant harm anybody  :) ....next to you  :D Explains how him and Kat are on here all day.

Says one who is never NOT on here.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 2:27pm:

They're just stickers, more-ons. No one is taking away your Union membership. Just take off the offending stickers. You'll still be the same law-abiding Union thugs.  :)

No. Fukya.

They are not offensive, as I've explained more than once already.

hard hats are PPE not a bloody fashion accessory...

it just shows how out of touch some of these forum welfare bludgers are..  ::)