Interesting analysis by Piers.

When Howard was threatened on the right by One Nation and Hanson, he saw the risk to the Liberals and unleashed Abbott to destroy her. He did that effectively.

In contrast, whereas Labor should destroy the Greenies, Gillard embraced them and allowed them to steer her agenda; Shorten is moving left to try to absorb them into Labor and make them irrelevant.

What some monosyllabic CFMEU knuckle dragging goon has in common with a loopy lefty from LEAN has me beat.

Perhaps the simple answer is this - shovel money to both ends of the spectrum and they'll support you!

I just want Bill to explain
how they will get to 50% renewable,
how will the electricity be generated because setting a 50% target is easy but to achieve it in 14 years without the details exposes it as BS, if it was that easy other countries would be doing it.

It reminds me of Bob Hawke's famous line "by 1990 no child will live in poverty" that helped win him an election for him, is there anything they wont say to win an election.

To put it simply Shorty has not got a Snowball's hope in Hell of getting within a bull's roar of forming the worst ever "govt" in Australia's History with the gruesome greasy Greenies.  THANK GOD!!!!




Bill Shorten trying to go greener than Greens
PIERS AKERMAN The Sunday Telegraph June 5, 2016 12:00am

IT’S passing fashionable for members of the chuckle-headed chattering class to say there is now no difference between the Coalition and Labor.

As usual, they’re wrong.

The parties that have actually merged identities are Labor and the Greens.

Under Opposition leader Bill Shorten, Labor has been dragged to the Left.

Within Labor there are significant rumps opposed to the party’s public positions on border protection and the environment.

No one in the ALP seriously believes that Shorten will be able to prevent the Left reversing the party’s support for the Coalition’s successful boat turnback policy and offshore detention program.

Both Labor and the Greens are fighting for the support of the politically correct minority, which is obsessed with gender politics, as their support for La Trobe University’s radical Marxist school indoctrination program with its advice on breast-binding and penis tucking demonstrates.

But the parties are also virtually agreed on any number of other policies.

It is reaching the point where the Greens advance one of their economy-destroying policies and Labor then rushes to match their madness, as implausible as the goals clearly are.

It is sheer fantasy to suggest that Australia could achieve a 50 per cent renewable energy target in 14 years — solar only operates in daylight hours, the wind doesn’t blow on command, tidal power is a dream and hydro is dependent on rainfall and huge dams, as Tasmanians have discovered to their enormous cost.

However, the Left-leaning Labor Environment Action Network (LEAN) within the ALP has pushed the party to adopt the unachievable 50 per cent target over the objections of the mining division of the CFMEU, even as the Greens have claimed they would demand a target of 90 per cent renewable energy within the same timeframe.
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Leader of the Opposition Bill Shorten at the Malthouse Theatre in Melbourne. Picture: AAP Image/Mick Tsikas
As fossil fuel remains the only source of backup power required to ensure continuity of electricity supply, the target would be largely ineffective in reducing Australia’s emissions but it would inevitably drive up the cost of energy to households and businesses.

LEAN’s logo is green, its members wear green T-shirts and its agenda is for the ALP to abandon its current policy positions and adopt Greens policies on a range of issues.

One of LEAN’s co-founders is Senator Jenny McAllister, a former national president of the ALP. Her co-convener is Felicity Wade, a former member of the Greens who joined Labor in 2013 in order to seek preselection in the seat of Newtown in the hope she could “force change from the inside” of the ALP.

At the time of joining the ALP, she was employed as NSW campaigns manager for the Wilderness Society, Bob Brown’s pet lobby group.

Both the pressure group and the Greens oppose any new coal power stations and want to close down the existing ones, and they both oppose nuclear power.

A vote for Greens/Labor is going to hurt traditional working-class Labor supporters most severely and hit the hip pocket nerve of all Australians but that doesn’t concern either parties’ extreme Leftists as they are largely well-heeled (or at least well-sandalled) high- income earners in the inner urban suburbs and not reliant on jobs dependent on high power consumption.

The bottom line is that both Labor and the Greens have a total disregard for the millions of people in poverty across the Third World and particularly in India, one of the largest consumers of Australian coal, who would benefit from access to cheap light and power.

Go to the next post to read the rest about Shorty's silliness.

Continuation of Shorty is dumber than dumb article


There is a certain irony in the blending of Labor and Greens policies and that’s because Labor has adopted the poisonous Greens program in a desperate attempt to fight the Greens challenge for those city seats it holds.
The Greens/Labor voters show as little compassion for this underclass as they do for the thousands who would undoubtedly drown if the current border protection policies were wound back and illegal people smuggling resumed.
Further proving that they don’t care about the cost of their policies to Australian taxpayers, the Greens want to lift the annual refugee intake to 50,000 at a cost of $7 billion, while Labor is rushing to meet them with a promise to double the intake to 27,000.

Just as the LEAN ginger group within the ALP boasts of its influence, so do the members of Labor for Refugees brag that they can swing the party’s policy and indeed they boast that 90 per cent of their proposed amendments to soften Labor’s border protection policies were adopted at last year’s national ALP conference.
A fortnight ago, on May 14, Labor for Refugees endorsed the Greens’ asylum seeker policy along with a future deal with the Greens to further soften Labor’s policy.

There is a certain irony in the blending of Labor and Greens policies and that’s because Labor has adopted the poisonous Greens program in a desperate attempt to fight the Greens challenge for those city seats it holds.
No less a Labor stalwart than Anthony Albanese has been forced to abandon his support for the overdue and much-needed WestConnex project, which he boasted funding just three years ago.

Facing a challenge from the Greens in his NIMBY-burdened seat of Grayndler, the hail-fellow-well- met Albo now says the link from the Western Sydney suburbs to the city won’t get any more funding though the principal users would have been the tradies from the West for whom it would have slashed the daily commute.

Which surely indicated how out of touch with its traditional supporters Labor has now become as it moved further to the Left to appeal to the Greens. Those who think they have reason to punish the Coalition should seriously contemplate the obvious dangers of giving power to a party hell bent on trying to out-Green the Greens.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...s/news-story/9dd616e6cb9897cdd7f90ebe9e55ade5

I personally think only the dim witted would believe shortarse and his turn the boats back when safe to do so.. ;D ;D ;D.ho hum... what a cop out..

we all know what will happen....first of all with all the money he is splashing around...now its childcare..

he will have to save ,money and the border security will have to stop

which we all know must be  costing us a fortune..

so thats where he plans to get some of the promised cash splash money from... ::) ::)..

the people smugglers in Java are sweating on him getting in....they are primed to go..

they  have already got  paid up passengers probably in the region of 20.000 by now I would think......

when krudd got in they werent ready and it took them a few months to round them up... this time they are all ready waiting on the island.. ;) ;)

Shorty would probably put SHY in as the Immigration Minister!!!

Hurray for xenophobic libs.

stunning observation

He has his work cut out that's for sure , the Libs have made a mess of it in three short years , will take Bill at least a year just to reverse some of the damage , lucky he is up to the challenge  :)

The Lefty with the broken wing is demonstrating how the Lefties deny the TRUTH to save their soles.

http://oi65.tinypic.com/11b89l1.jpg

Its time wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 12:00am:

He has his work cut out that's for sure , the Libs have made a mess of it in three short years , will take Bill at least a year just to reverse some of the damage , lucky he is up to the challenge  :)

It was already a mess thanks to six years of Labor waste, debt, incompetence and deaths. This was exacerbated by a Labor Party in Opposition that refused to do anything to help clean up their mess. I'm not implying the Coalition has been flawless since 2013 but the ALP has been far worse and far more destructive over the past 8 years and don't deserve another chance. Perhaps that's why Shitten is promising the world and out spending the Coalition 20-1 because he's not fussed on keeping his pre-election promises or funding them.

He is - he's seeking a move from LOTO to HOG........

Wow - the loonie right is now saying that unleashing Lapdog Tony to get some dirt - any dirt - on Hanson et al - was now not only the total idea of the denier - John Howard - but a wonderful thing to do?

Thanks Piers for the admission that Howard was behind it all after all, and not just an innocent dupe of some rogue element in his own party who acted behind his back.  We all knew that, but hey.... plausible deniability and King Johnnie had to shine in his armour of righteousness.

Then as a reward the party  elected Tony to the top job in the land.... where the same Fascist mentality was allowed full swing... for a while....  God help us all....

No wonder nobody votes Liberal any more after this lot......

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 6:31am:

He is - he's seeking a move from LOTO to HOG........

We already know he's a pig. Just ask the woman he raped.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 6:28am:

Its time wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 12:00am: He has his work cut out that's for sure , the Libs have made a mess of it in three short years , will take Bill at least a year just to reverse some of the damage , lucky he is up to the challenge  :) It was already a mess thanks to six years of Labor waste, debt, incompetence and deaths. This was exacerbated by a Labor Party in Opposition that refused to do anything to help clean up their mess. I'm not implying the Coalition has been flawless since 2013 but the ALP has been far worse and far more destructive over the past 8 years and don't deserve another chance. Perhaps that's why Shitten is promising the world and out spending the Coalition 20-1 because he's not fussed on keeping his pre-election promises or funding them.

Nonsense.  If the coalition couldn't get legislation through - the option to DD was always there to be used a lot earlier than the ABCC excuse.

Good grief, Bill was on telly spending spending spending...
I just don't know how he can stand there and say the things he says.

Shorten should really look for another job


He has, and will be taking it up in a few weeks...........PRIME MINISTER OF AUSTRALIA. ;D ;D ;D

Grendel wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 9:14am:

Good grief, Bill was on telly spending spending spending... I just don't know how he can stand there and say the things he says.

The other day he was on telly stating we can't afford a company tax cut, yet his spending promises amount to a 20-1 difference compared to the Coalition.

macman wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 11:24am:

Shorten should really look for another job He has.

Good.

Garbage collector/recycler?

He's clearly very experienced in these 2 areas  ;D

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 11:52am:

Grendel wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 9:14am: Good grief, Bill was on telly spending spending spending... I just don't know how he can stand there and say the things he says. The other day he was on telly stating we can't afford a company tax cut, yet his spending promises amount to a 20-1 difference compared to the Coalition.

  Most of his spending is spent on working people and families- how is that a waste- the other turd wants to Americanise our health system   :o and attack penalty rates while feeding  the top end of town .. he is a disgrace , an oxygen thief.

macman wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 11:24am:

Shorten should really look for another job He has, and will be taking it up in a few weeks...........PRIME MINISTER OF AUSTRALIA. ;D ;D ;D

He sure will , what a mess the Libtards have made in not even 3 years , what a failed experiment .

Now Agnes, you surely realise that spending money you haven't got is a certain recipe for bringing more unemployment.
How will that help the already vulnerable?
Your heart's I'm the right place, now you just have to make some adjustment with your head.

bogarde73 wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 12:27pm:

you surely realise that spending money you haven't got is a certain recipe for bringing more unemployment.

pity for you the libs are typically higher spending than labor otherwise you just may have had a point

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 11:52am:

Grendel wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 9:14am: Good grief, Bill was on telly spending spending spending... I just don't know how he can stand there and say the things he says. The other day he was on telly stating we can't afford a company tax cut, yet his spending promises amount to a 20-1 difference compared to the Coalition.

we can't afford to cut revenue, Howards tax cuts are what got us in this mess, now he wants to cut more? 

bogarde73 wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 12:27pm:

Now Agnes, you surely realise that spending money you haven't got is a certain recipe for bringing more unemployment. How will that help the already vulnerable? Your heart's I'm the right place, now you just have to make some adjustment with your head.

  My head tells me Bogarde that when they want a payrise they always have money for that no matter how dire things are looking- the travel perks , the rorts etc and it goes on and on- they are liars and thieves, but Libs are more so and into the bargain they want to keep us in chains forever by scrounging from the barest of margins , money that we taxpayers, struggle to survive on already. Austerity measures put onto the people and stealing from Super funds- telling old pp they must work until they drop.

Unemployment has risen under Abbott/turd- they whined about the so called huge debt Labor left and promptly sent it spiralling massively higher, no explanations for raping taxpayer dollars into the billions- nothing.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 11:52am:

Grendel wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 9:14am: Good grief, Bill was on telly spending spending spending... I just don't know how he can stand there and say the things he says. The other day he was on telly stating we can't afford a company tax cut, yet his spending promises amount to a 20-1 difference compared to the Coalition.

^^^^ Hardly surprising.

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 12:51pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 11:52am: Grendel wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 9:14am: Good grief, Bill was on telly spending spending spending... I just don't know how he can stand there and say the things he says. The other day he was on telly stating we can't afford a company tax cut, yet his spending promises amount to a 20-1 difference compared to the Coalition. ^^^^ Hardly surprising.

  Yes and so- do any of us want to live in Australia where we have our health care system priced way out of our reach who wants that.? Labor is keeping MEDICARE and putting money into education and training for everyone. UNEMPLOYMENT HAS RISEN MARKEDLY UNDER these fools..

cods wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 10:28pm:

I personally think only the dim witted would believe shortarse and his turn the boats back when safe to do so.. ;D ;D ;D.ho hum... what a cop out.. we all know what will happen....first of all with all the money he is splashing around...now its childcare.. he will have to save ,money and the border security will have to stop which we all know must be  costing us a fortune.. so thats where he plans to get some of the promised cash splash money from... ::) ::).. the people smugglers in Java are sweating on him getting in....they are primed to go.. they  have already got  paid up passengers probably in the region of 20.000 by now I would think...... when krudd got in they werent ready and it took them a few months to round them up... this time they are all ready waiting on the island.. ;) ;)

That's as far as I got before I dismissed it  :D

Its time wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 1:10pm:

cods wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 10:28pm: I personally think only the dim witted would believe shortarse and his turn the boats back when safe to do so.. ;D ;D ;D.ho hum... what a cop out.. we all know what will happen....first of all with all the money he is splashing around...now its childcare.. he will have to save ,money and the border security will have to stop which we all know must be  costing us a fortune.. so thats where he plans to get some of the promised cash splash money from... ::) ::).. the people smugglers in Java are sweating on him getting in....they are primed to go.. they  have already got  paid up passengers probably in the region of 20.000 by now I would think...... when krudd got in they werent ready and it took them a few months to round them up... this time they are all ready waiting on the island.. ;) ;) That's as far as I got before I dismissed it  :D

you got further than me  :D :D

Agnes wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 12:57pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 12:51pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 11:52am: Grendel wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 9:14am: Good grief, Bill was on telly spending spending spending... I just don't know how he can stand there and say the things he says. The other day he was on telly stating we can't afford a company tax cut, yet his spending promises amount to a 20-1 difference compared to the Coalition. ^^^^ Hardly surprising.   Yes and so- do any of us want to live in Australia where we have our health care system priced way out of our reach who wants that.? Labor is keeping MEDICARE and putting money into education and training for everyone. UNEMPLOYMENT HAS RISEN MARKEDLY UNDER these fools

Oh dear.....why do I even bother reading such cr@  :o

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 1:23pm:

Agnes wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 12:57pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 12:51pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 11:52am: Grendel wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 9:14am: Good grief, Bill was on telly spending spending spending... I just don't know how he can stand there and say the things he says. The other day he was on telly stating we can't afford a company tax cut, yet his spending promises amount to a 20-1 difference compared to the Coalition. ^^^^ Hardly surprising.   Yes and so- do any of us want to live in Australia where we have our health care system priced way out of our reach who wants that.? Labor is keeping MEDICARE and putting money into education and training for everyone. UNEMPLOYMENT HAS RISEN MARKEDLY UNDER these fools Oh dear.....why do I even bother reading such cr@  :o

Should we write it in crayon for you ? The current unemployment rate is equal to Labors worst ( even with a GFC) , what is more concerning is underemployment is actually the highest it's EVER i repeat EVER been. Economic messiahs pigggggggggggggggssss arsssssssssssse

Thanks Leftie I was just about answer that one with a fact or two myself.. get it through your chubby little skull Lisa- and how about you read the news once in a while while your at it.

Its time wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 1:33pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 1:23pm: Agnes wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 12:57pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 12:51pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 11:52am: Grendel wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 9:14am: Good grief, Bill was on telly spending spending spending... I just don't know how he can stand there and say the things he says. The other day he was on telly stating we can't afford a company tax cut, yet his spending promises amount to a 20-1 difference compared to the Coalition. ^^^^ Hardly surprising.   Yes and so- do any of us want to live in Australia where we have our health care system priced way out of our reach who wants that.? Labor is keeping MEDICARE and putting money into education and training for everyone. UNEMPLOYMENT HAS RISEN MARKEDLY UNDER these fools Oh dear.....why do I even bother reading such cr@  :o Should we write it in crayon for you ? The current unemployment rate is equal to Labors worst ( even with a GFC) , what is more concerning is underemployment is actually the highest it's EVER i repeat EVER been. Economic messiahs pigggggggggggggggssss arsssssssssssse

Saddens and infuriates me lefty- our children are the main losers in all of this and all they talk about is cutting the dole and making life that much more f--- impossible for them - hate these hateful f-- pigs , the Libs.

Agnes, do you deny there is a segment of the unemployed who milk the system as hard as they can?
Tough rules are designed to deal with these people. And both sides of politics recognises that, so spare me the hate-speech about Liberals. It's just silly.
The genuine job-seekers are out there doing just that.

bogarde73 wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 1:51pm:

Agnes, do you deny there is a segment of the unemployed who milk the system as hard as they can?

'

and there always will be. Does that mean we punish ALL the unemployed?

Lets carry that thought through to others

If some cheat on taxes do we assume everyone does?
If some businesses act immorally or corrupt do we punish them all?

If some muslim kills someone do we assume they all do?  ... oh scratch that one, you already do that

I bet you would cry like a banshee if you were treated harshly just because someone else cheated on their taxes

Its time wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 1:33pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 1:23pm: Agnes wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 12:57pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 12:51pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 11:52am: Grendel wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 9:14am: Good grief, Bill was on telly spending spending spending... I just don't know how he can stand there and say the things he says. The other day he was on telly stating we can't afford a company tax cut, yet his spending promises amount to a 20-1 difference compared to the Coalition. ^^^^ Hardly surprising.   Yes and so- do any of us want to live in Australia where we have our health care system priced way out of our reach who wants that.? Labor is keeping MEDICARE and putting money into education and training for everyone. UNEMPLOYMENT HAS RISEN MARKEDLY UNDER these fools Oh dear.....why do I even bother reading such cr@  :o Should we write it in crayon for you ? The current unemployment rate is equal to Labors worst ( even with a GFC) , what is more concerning is underemployment is actually the highest it's EVER i repeat EVER been. Economic messiahs pigggggggggggggggssss arsssssssssssse

What a load of bovine faecal matter!

Agnes wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 1:40pm:

Its time wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 1:33pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 1:23pm: Agnes wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 12:57pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 12:51pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 11:52am: Grendel wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 9:14am: Good grief, Bill was on telly spending spending spending... I just don't know how he can stand there and say the things he says. The other day he was on telly stating we can't afford a company tax cut, yet his spending promises amount to a 20-1 difference compared to the Coalition. ^^^^ Hardly surprising.   Yes and so- do any of us want to live in Australia where we have our health care system priced way out of our reach who wants that.? Labor is keeping MEDICARE and putting money into education and training for everyone. UNEMPLOYMENT HAS RISEN MARKEDLY UNDER these fools Oh dear.....why do I even bother reading such cr@  :o Should we write it in crayon for you ? The current unemployment rate is equal to Labors worst ( even with a GFC) , what is more concerning is underemployment is actually the highest it's EVER i repeat EVER been. Economic messiahs pigggggggggggggggssss arsssssssssssse Saddens and infuriates me lefty- our children are the main losers in all of this and all they talk about is cutting the dole and making life that much more f--- impossible for them - hate these hateful f-- pigs , the Libs.

Our kids live in the best country on the planet.

They have EVERY opportunity to get further education and training.

If they are sitting around unemployed, then the parents of such children ought to get their finger out and PARENT their children off the dole and into a job post haste.

The real underlying problem is that these children have cr@ppy arents who cannot PARENT their kids properly AND who themselves are a negative role model.