Just a word of caution!

There are those, such as Politicians, CB's, Bankers in general & TPTB, who may well have greater access to relevant Economic information those many, if not most others.

However, they seldom pass on that information, unless it is possibly of benefit to them!

For example, when do they advertise "tough times ahead"?

How many of them, said the 2007 GFC was coming?

How many have relayed the truth about why the GFC arrived, about why it hasn't really ended & how many have provided the full truth about Demographics & Energy and how these factors really influence the local& Global Economy?

There are "conflicts of interest" involved and anyone looking at "their own, best, long term interests", should do their own research, separate of those whose interests may be conflicted with our own.

WE NEED TO COME TO OUR OWN CONCLUSIONS & DO WHAT IS IN OUR OWN, LONG TERM, BEST INTERESTS!

Given the current status of our Politicians -
I WOULD SUGGEST THAT IT WOULD BE IN OUR BEST, LONG TERM INTEREST TO VOTE OUT EVERY INCUMBENT & SEND THE POLITICAL ESTABLISHMENT A MESSAGE THEY CAN NOT IGNORE!

WE, THE WHOLE PUBLIC WANT THEM TO DO, WHAT IS IN OUR BEST, LONG TERM INTERESTS, NOT DO WHAT IS IN THEIR (the Politicians & their "Mates" & TPTB) BEST, SHORT TERM INTEREST!

SEND OUR MESSAGE & SEND IT THIS ELECTION!!!

VOTE OUT THE INCUMBENTS!!!

But Malcolm Turnbull said we would have chaos

under a labor/Greens coalition

just like the Gillard years.

I can't stand Turnbull, nor can I stand Shorten. Nor the Greens. Will probably end up voting for some independent as a protest vote.

Webtoad wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 3:28pm:

I can't stand Turnbull, nor can I stand Shorten. Nor the Greens. Will probably end up voting for some independent as a protest vote.

I thought I'd do the same.

But my local independent is a far-Right nut-job who only ever gets a handful of votes.

As I understand it unless things have changed dramatically this election we are required to number every ballot paper from 1- how ever many candidates are standing.
That said no matter who you vote for your vote actually come down to which major party  you preference higher. It's all well and good to say you put Labor and Liberal last and second last but in actual fact you're still voting for which ever one of those parties numbered the highest on your ballot paper, Assuming of course the Greens or an independent are not likely to win your seat. Given it is unlikely Greens and independents will win many more than a total of half a dozen seats combined and those seats in which it may occur are pretty obvious the only way you can not give your vote to a major party is to cast an informal vote so nobody gets it.
I've followed politics for most of my life but they've worn me down now. None of the bastards will get my vote as none of them deserve it.
Until we live in a country where voters are not sheeple that get sucked into voting for Labor or Liberal we will always be screwed by these bastards.
I will cast a vote in the senate. But until we get rid of preferential voting we are all just being conned that we live in a democracy where we get to make a real choice in the HORs.

perceptions_now wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 3:25pm:

Just a word of caution! There are those, such as Politicians, CB's, Bankers in general & TPTB, who may well have greater access to relevant Economic information those many, if not most others. However, they seldom pass on that information, unless it is possibly of benefit to them! For example, when do they advertise "tough times ahead"? How many of them, said the 2007 GFC was coming?

I remember reading an article from 2006 - I think it was in Time magazine - that predicted some of the GFC a year before it happened. The advance warning signs were there.

good old percy...you think its possible to vote OUT incompetence..dont you know there is always more waiting in the wings... ::) ::)

look at Clive Palmer for instance.. [if you can]..

honestly he not only sucked in those who ran with him...but a whole heap of voters as well..

and look what we got??>..

even those he signed up couldnt stand him..

but too late for the voters they get stuck with them

think of us as FISH perc... the wannabees are just sitting there doing bugger all really b ut setting BAITS

and throwing out the hooks well baited to catch us...

which they do very nicely....then what happens to the poor old fish once its taken the bait?????..

well nuff said...

we put up with it dont we???...

ask yourself what on earth can I do...exactly.. you are a "one" only...just like me....

we both resent being manipulated doesnt matter which side you are on its always the same old same old..

excuses and blame  we suck it up if its our own side condemn if its the other..

but do we change anything???????......there is a certain arrogance creeping into australian politics ... taken for granted is another way of putting it..

I will not be voting for the lower house....I will tell them so on my ballot form...will anyone bother to read it who knows..

but I will have said it..and that matters to me... will I vote for the senate.. not sure yet...I want too..but it depends...

I agree with you we need to turn this around before much longer....or we will deserve what we get...

can we do better than what we have???????>.
  gawd I hope so..

be honest perc.. an independent will never be PM.....so I cant see any value in them,...

as for economists..I dont put any value in them either.. they would need a crystal ball....

and then there are those who cheat.. and we are surrounded by them >:( >:(

Bam wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 4:54pm:

I remember reading an article from 2006 - I think it was in Time magazine - that predicted some of the GFC a year before it happened. The advance warning signs were there

do people take any notice of cancer warnings when they hit the beaches???????????????......

nah... it wont happen to me will it. :)

skippy. wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 4:35pm:

As I understand it unless things have changed dramatically this election we are required to number every ballot paper from 1- how ever many candidates are standing. That said no matter who you vote for your vote actually come down to which major party  you preference higher. It's all well and good to say you put Labor and Liberal last and second last but in actual fact you're still voting for which ever one of those parties numbered the highest on your ballot paper, Assuming of course the Greens or an independent are not likely to win your seat. Given it is unlikely Greens and independents will win many more than a total of half a dozen seats combined and those seats in which it may occur are pretty obvious the only way you can not give your vote to a major party is to cast an informal vote so nobody gets it. I've followed politics for most of my life but they've worn me down now. None of the bastards will get my vote as none of them deserve it. Until we live in a country where voters are not sheeple that get sucked into voting for Labor or Liberal we will always be screwed by these bastards. I will cast a vote in the senate. But until we get rid of preferential voting we are all just being conned that we live in a democracy where we get to make a real choice in the HORs.

To a large degree I agree skippy

the pollies are not on 'Australias' side.

A vote for Bill Shorten is the only sensible way. With nothing but nincompoops leading the parties, especially the ALP, Greens and the Coalition, the only realistic way to minimise damage is to cycle through them as quickly as possible.

There is only so much that can be inflicted in three years. Keep tossing them until something decent turns up.

perceptions_now wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 3:25pm:

Just a word of caution! There are those, such as Politicians, CB's, Bankers in general & TPTB, who may well have greater access to relevant Economic information those many, if not most others. However, they seldom pass on that information, unless it is possibly of benefit to them! For example, when do they advertise "tough times ahead"? How many of them, said the 2007 GFC was coming? How many have relayed the truth about why the GFC arrived, about why it hasn't really ended & how many have provided the full truth about Demographics & Energy and how these factors really influence the local& Global Economy? There are "conflicts of interest" involved and anyone looking at "their own, best, long term interests", should do their own research, separate of those whose interests may be conflicted with our own. WE NEED TO COME TO OUR OWN CONCLUSIONS & DO WHAT IS IN OUR OWN, LONG TERM, BEST INTERESTS! Given the current status of our Politicians - I WOULD SUGGEST THAT IT WOULD BE IN OUR BEST, LONG TERM INTEREST TO VOTE OUT EVERY INCUMBENT & SEND THE POLITICAL ESTABLISHMENT A MESSAGE THEY CAN NOT IGNORE! WE, THE WHOLE PUBLIC WANT THEM TO DO, WHAT IS IN OUR BEST, LONG TERM INTERESTS, NOT DO WHAT IS IN THEIR (the Politicians & their "Mates" & TPTB) BEST, SHORT TERM INTEREST! SEND OUR MESSAGE & SEND IT THIS ELECTION!!! VOTE OUT THE INCUMBENTS!!!

While I admire your train of thought.

It will never happen.

We have been divided.

You know divide and conquer.

For the people as one would be a fearsome creature to behold.

If only....... 8-)

I don't even understand why the DD reason - ABCC isn't front and centre in this campaign - because the majority of voters won't buy it?

cods wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 4:59pm:

Bam wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 4:54pm: I remember reading an article from 2006 - I think it was in Time magazine - that predicted some of the GFC a year before it happened. The advance warning signs were there do people take any notice of cancer warnings when they hit the beaches???????????????...... nah... it wont happen to me will it. :)

You're right. People ignore warnings because there are so many of them. If economists are to be believed, we've been about to enter a recession for the past 10 years. In all that noise, the one warning that is accurate is a signal that is impossible to discern.

Bam wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 6:58pm:

cods wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 4:59pm: Bam wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 4:54pm: I remember reading an article from 2006 - I think it was in Time magazine - that predicted some of the GFC a year before it happened. The advance warning signs were there do people take any notice of cancer warnings when they hit the beaches???????????????...... nah... it wont happen to me will it. :) You're right. People ignore warnings because there are so many of them. If economists are to be believed, we've been about to enter a recession for the past 10 years. In all that noise, the one warning that is accurate is a signal that is impossible to discern.

Well - if the LNP get back in they'll say they now have a mandate to shag over the building industries and favour their mates in management by rorting the workers as much as possible.

Look forward to a hive on industrial unrest etc, rising costs due to management interference and troublemaking, and the extension of the 'conscript' mentality among the workers - and no real change in anything much except that a once-willing workforce will become lazy and just fill in time as much as possible instead of being willing participants in their own work.

That's all we need - yet another Star Chamber to take the responsibility away from government while it destroys the Rule of Law.

No wonder that Wee Rat Howard stole all the legally owned firearms.

If it's all about money - then so be it.....let it begin.

I note some comments are "a  little sceptical and with reason!

It is very unlikely that All incumbents would be voted out, particularly given the decades of being fed on being reliant on the current 2 party system.

That said, if a sufficient portion of incumbents, particularly from the major Party's, were to be sacked, then it would cause a rethink process to start and we desperately need that new start, because the old system is clearly now outdated!

WE NEED TO PUT ON THE PRESSURE, FOR A NEW START, WITH NEW GOALS & THE MAJOR GOALS MUST BE WHAT'S IN THE BEST, LONG TERM INTERESTS OF THE WHOLE POPULATION, NOT WHAT'S GOOD FOR THE FEW, IN THE SHORT TERM!!!

perceptions_now wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 7:33pm:

I note some comments are "a  little sceptical and with reason! It is very unlikely that All incumbents would be voted out, particularly given the decades of being fed on being reliant on the current 2 party system. That said, if a sufficient portion of incumbents, particularly from the major Party's, were to be sacked, then it would cause a rethink process to start and we desperately need that new start, because the old system is clearly now outdated! WE NEED TO PUT ON THE PRESSURE, FOR A NEW START, WITH NEW GOALS & THE MAJOR GOALS MUST BE WHAT'S IN THE BEST, LONG TERM INTERESTS OF THE WHOLE POPULATION, NOT WHAT'S GOOD FOR THE FEW, IN THE SHORT TERM!!!

Yes

crocodile wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 6:46pm:

A vote for Bill Shorten is the only sensible way.

Correct

Its time wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 8:24pm:

crocodile wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 6:46pm: A vote for Bill Shorten is the only sensible way. Correct

If you took both Shorten and Turnbull out of the equation and voted solely
on policies, Labor, although by no means perfect, should be a shoo-in.

Its time wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 8:24pm:

crocodile wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 6:46pm: A vote for Bill Shorten is the only sensible way. Correct

That's not quite what I meant.

Kat wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 8:30pm:

Its time wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 8:24pm: crocodile wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 6:46pm: A vote for Bill Shorten is the only sensible way. Correct If you took both Shorten and Turnbull out of the equation and voted solely on policies, Labor, although by no means perfect, should be a shoo-in.

Labour are opposing the company tax cuts and then want to escalate the dumber than dumb child care subsidy.

In reality they should be flogged, burnt and pissed on from a great height.

crocodile wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 8:38pm:

Kat wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 8:30pm: Its time wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 8:24pm: crocodile wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 6:46pm: A vote for Bill Shorten is the only sensible way. Correct If you took both Shorten and Turnbull out of the equation and voted solely on policies, Labor, although by no means perfect, should be a shoo-in. Labor are opposing the company tax cuts and then want to escalate the dumber than dumb child care subsidy. In reality they should be flogged, burnt and pissed on from a great height.

;D ;D ;D

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 8:41pm:

crocodile wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 8:38pm: Kat wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 8:30pm: Its time wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 8:24pm: crocodile wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 6:46pm: A vote for Bill Shorten is the only sensible way. Correct If you took both Shorten and Turnbull out of the equation and voted solely on policies, Labor, although by no means perfect, should be a shoo-in. Labor are opposing the company tax cuts and then want to escalate the dumber than dumb child care subsidy. In reality they should be flogged, burnt and pissed on from a great height. ;D ;D ;D

So should Talkbull and his conga line of schmucks and wannabes.
The Greens from an even greater height with a few turds thrown in for good measure.

perceptions_now wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 3:25pm:

Just a word of caution! There are those, such as Politicians, CB's, Bankers in general & TPTB, who may well have greater access to relevant Economic information those many, if not most others. However, they seldom pass on that information, unless it is possibly of benefit to them! For example, when do they advertise "tough times ahead"? How many of them, said the 2007 GFC was coming? How many have relayed the truth about why the GFC arrived, about why it hasn't really ended & how many have provided the full truth about Demographics & Energy and how these factors really influence the local& Global Economy? There are "conflicts of interest" involved and anyone looking at "their own, best, long term interests", should do their own research, separate of those whose interests may be conflicted with our own. WE NEED TO COME TO OUR OWN CONCLUSIONS & DO WHAT IS IN OUR OWN, LONG TERM, BEST INTERESTS! Given the current status of our Politicians - I WOULD SUGGEST THAT IT WOULD BE IN OUR BEST, LONG TERM INTEREST TO VOTE OUT EVERY INCUMBENT & SEND THE POLITICAL ESTABLISHMENT A MESSAGE THEY CAN NOT IGNORE! WE, THE WHOLE PUBLIC WANT THEM TO DO, WHAT IS IN OUR BEST, LONG TERM INTERESTS, NOT DO WHAT IS IN THEIR (the Politicians & their "Mates" & TPTB) BEST, SHORT TERM INTEREST! SEND OUR MESSAGE & SEND IT THIS ELECTION!!! VOTE OUT THE INCUMBENTS!!!

The real problem is that we have allowed the government to be hijacked by a pack of parasites thats main concern is convincing us all that we need more of them, we should have never let the hydra that is government escape from its box, now its tentacles have reached into every facet of our lives like a cancer and no amount of chemo will ever get rid of it.

Having Government is like having the kardashians, everyone is left scratching their heads and wondering so why do we need these people again?, just like the Kardashians the government is famous for being famous, it really serves no other purpose, it has created a show about nothing. 

Only the free market can satisfactorily sort out all of societies problems as it is the only one true democracy, government hijacks problems to further its own ends, it has no incentive to solve a problem as solving a problem would make government redundant.

Government must create problems or perpetuate them, not fix them, it must do this in order to justify its own existence, the sooner people wake up to the fact that Government is essentially just a useless layer of bureaucracy that has attached itself like a tick to society the better off we'll all be, they are absolutely no different to the mafia and use the same threatening business model on the unsuspecting public.

innocentbystander. wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 9:04pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 3:25pm: Just a word of caution! There are those, such as Politicians, CB's, Bankers in general & TPTB, who may well have greater access to relevant Economic information those many, if not most others. However, they seldom pass on that information, unless it is possibly of benefit to them! For example, when do they advertise "tough times ahead"? How many of them, said the 2007 GFC was coming? How many have relayed the truth about why the GFC arrived, about why it hasn't really ended & how many have provided the full truth about Demographics & Energy and how these factors really influence the local& Global Economy? There are "conflicts of interest" involved and anyone looking at "their own, best, long term interests", should do their own research, separate of those whose interests may be conflicted with our own. WE NEED TO COME TO OUR OWN CONCLUSIONS & DO WHAT IS IN OUR OWN, LONG TERM, BEST INTERESTS! Given the current status of our Politicians - I WOULD SUGGEST THAT IT WOULD BE IN OUR BEST, LONG TERM INTEREST TO VOTE OUT EVERY INCUMBENT & SEND THE POLITICAL ESTABLISHMENT A MESSAGE THEY CAN NOT IGNORE! WE, THE WHOLE PUBLIC WANT THEM TO DO, WHAT IS IN OUR BEST, LONG TERM INTERESTS, NOT DO WHAT IS IN THEIR (the Politicians & their "Mates" & TPTB) BEST, SHORT TERM INTEREST! SEND OUR MESSAGE & SEND IT THIS ELECTION!!! VOTE OUT THE INCUMBENTS!!! The real problem is that we have allowed the government to be hijacked by a pack of parasites thats main concern is convincing us all that we need more of them, we should have never let the hydra that is government escape from its box, now its tentacles have reached into every facet of our lives like a cancer and no amount of chemo will ever get rid of it. Having Government is like having the kardashians, everyone is left scratching their heads and wondering so why do we need these people again?, just like the Kardashians the government is famous for being famous, it really serves no other purpose, it has created a show about nothing.  Only the free market can satisfactorily sort out all of societies problems as it is the only one true democracy, government hijacks problems to further its own ends, it has no incentive to solve a problem as solving a problem would make government redundant. Government must create problems or perpetuate them, not fix them, it must do this in order to justify its own existence, the sooner people wake up to the fact that Government is essentially just a useless layer of bureaucracy that has attached itself like a tick to society the better off we'll all be, they are absolutely no different to the mafia and use the same threatening business model on the unsuspecting public.

In this day we have been indoctrinated such that:
Tax cuts are expenses.
Spending is investment
The government owns all the money and we are permitted to keep what we are allowed.
The solution to the ravages of big government apparently is bigger government.

crocodile wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 6:46pm:

A vote for Bill Shorten is the only sensible way. With nothing but nincompoops leading the parties, especially the ALP, Greens and the Coalition, the only realistic way to minimise damage is to cycle through them as quickly as possible. There is only so much that can be inflicted in three years. Keep tossing them until something decent turns up.

pretty much a silly idea.. they would then spend the first two years unpicking what the previous team did..

shorten will undo everything turnbull does if he gets in............super is a great one...



the labor party started so many new depts all fitted out all staffed to the gills.. and no work... ...his ETS was a goody..... Wong was minster of everything in those dizzy days....and we are still dealing with all the staff they employed to do nothing... ::) ::)

because nothing got off the ground...and any that did crashed badly..green loans anyone..

just what we need another massive train wreck of a govt.

cods wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 10:45pm:

crocodile wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 6:46pm: A vote for Bill Shorten is the only sensible way. With nothing but nincompoops leading the parties, especially the ALP, Greens and the Coalition, the only realistic way to minimise damage is to cycle through them as quickly as possible. There is only so much that can be inflicted in three years. Keep tossing them until something decent turns up. pretty much a silly idea.. they would then spend the first two years unpicking what the previous team did.. shorten will undo everything turnbull does if he gets in............super is a great one... the labor party started so many new depts all fitted out all staffed to the gills.. and no work... ...his ETS was a goody..... Wong was minster of everything in those dizzy days....and we are still dealing with all the staff they employed to do nothing... ::) ::) because nothing got off the ground...and any that did crashed badly..green loans anyone.. just what we need another massive train wreck of a govt.

You've got one now. Cycle them all to limit the damage.

Of one thing, we can be assured, IF WE let the current "system" continue, we are very likely to go down the old "Cold War path of Mutually Assured Destruction"!

VOTE OUT AS MANY INCUMBENTS AS POSSIBLE & Send a clear message that the old systems time, has now finished!!!

What should I do?

Run for parliament ....


I'd vote for you!

John Smith wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 12:13pm:

What should I do? Run for parliament .... I'd vote for you!

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Well, Thank you JS, But No Thanks!

After over 40 years, primarily working in the Financial Sector, "I am now into Retirement Mode" and unlike some others, I would prefer to spend the this time enjoying life, as best I can & trying to help family & friends and going into "the Political argy-bargy is not high on the to do list", particularly given the issues it faces over the next decade or two!!!

But, Cheers, anyway!

crocodile wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 9:04pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 8:41pm: crocodile wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 8:38pm: Kat wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 8:30pm: Its time wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 8:24pm: crocodile wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 6:46pm: A vote for Bill Shorten is the only sensible way. Correct If you took both Shorten and Turnbull out of the equation and voted solely on policies, Labor, although by no means perfect, should be a shoo-in. Labor are opposing the company tax cuts and then want to escalate the dumber than dumb child care subsidy. In reality they should be flogged, burnt and pissed on from a great height. ;D ;D ;D So should Talkbull and his conga line of schmucks and wannabes. The Greens from an even greater height with a few turds thrown in for good measure.

Tossing in turds with the Greens is a good idea. It would make make good compost.

perceptions_now wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:38pm:

I am now into Retirement Mode

so are most of our politicians  :D :D