Hunger Strike Over Cashless Welfare Card
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Meet Daniel Taylor, who is currently on day 5 of a hunger strike over government control and privacy. Daniel Taylor is an ordinary guy, doing an extraordinary thing. He lives with his partner and their one month old baby in Kununurra, Western Australia where the government has begun a 12 month trial for a cashless welfare card. When the government talked about introducing the card, Daniel and his family thought nothing of it, they don’t drink or gamble so they didn’t see too much of an issue. When the cards were being issued, like everyone else Daniel went to receive his. He was given a card, a PIN and a booklet of terms and conditions. Nobody was asked to sign anything, no one signed the terms or for the cards, which Daniel found slightly questionable. So he went home and studied the information booklet and found the contents quite disturbing. The terms allow for collection of the cards data, all your purchases, all your information, and then they allow for this private information to be given to not only government departments but any private company at their discretion. Daniel decided to cut up his card and not use it at all. After asking questions and looking further into it, Daniel got no real answers to his question “Who has access to all this data and why?” he made the decision to take a stand and go on hunger strike. Today is day five of Mr Taylors hunger strike and he says “I’m feeling really weak and scatterbrained” he claims he is not going to eat until he gets the answers he is after. In a phone interview with Daniel a few days ago he stated that he could already see a black market popping up in town, with people paying $150 cash for $200 worth of product purchased with a card. In Ceduna where they started trials on the basics card, people are claiming shops that allow it to be used there are upping the prices and taking advantage of people’s lack of choice. One lady even told us that if she spends over $100 at Coles and uses her card, they charge her an extra $32. People from the trials have complained about not being able to purchase from local famers, not having cash to send to send their children on school camps or excursions, having no money available for family outings, and these photos from the Kununurra show just go to show the effect the cards are having on family life. According to the Department of Human Services, the cashless welfare system is intended to keep gambling, drug and alcohol abuse under control by limiting people’s ability to purchase these services and to help ensure children are being fed. The small percentage of people who abuse their Centrelink benefits are finding ways around the cards intent, so they are not being affected. However, honest families who do the right thing are finding themselves being affected significantly in their everyday lives. All this card seems to be doing is widening the class gap, isolating children whose parents do not have the money from their peers. It seems to be punishing honest people, favouring big businesses over small locals and even making it harder for families to pay their rent and their bills. On top of Daniel’s privacy concerns he also has concerns for the mental wellbeing of his community, already noticing the morale in his town is declining and he fears suicide and crime rates are going to skyrocket.

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Parents talking about the cards impact.

I hope he can hurry up and cark it before his next cash card payment. No point in wasting taxpayer money on a lost cause.

I think any government has a damned gall treating any of its citizens as vassals to be disposed at its whim.  Time for the revolt.

It was always a worry when government took control over personal information and surrounded its data dungeon with fire-breathing law dragons to keep out the ordinary user.  When they extend this imposition to feeling totally entitled ™ to sell off or use that information for laboratory rat studies by its tame professors or for any other purpose including making a few measly dollars out of it from retailers - then it has placed itself squarely in the position of being just as bad as the NAZIs and the Stalinists.

Time to kick the bloody lot under the bus and take back control of the asylum.

He has a very valid argument. He isn't disputing the card Or even the reasons for it. He happily accepted his card.

why is the govt. keeping secret WHO has access to all his personal information? Why do they need to provide those details to private companies in the first place?

Tough titties. Find a job if you don't like it.

Aussie, wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 11:23am:

Tough titties. Find a job if you don't like it.

and that answer just highlights what a complete and utter more on you are

Aussie, wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 11:23am:

Tough titties. Find a job if you don't like it.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-18/wa-unemployment-rate-falls-as-national-rate-rises/7180276

That's only 1:16 confirmed kills in the Employment Games..... though the number of Wounded (part-timers and casuals) is much higher.

Just another reason why we need to retain the Aged Pension, since these people are being daily robbed of any real chance to establish themselves in life and will need sustenance in their retirement.  Also another good argument for raising Unemployment Benefit...

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John Smith wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 11:26am:

Aussie, wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 11:23am: Tough titties. Find a job if you don't like it. and that answer just highlights what a complete and utter more on you are

Is mindless abuse allowed on this forum?

Aussie, wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 11:35am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 11:26am: Aussie, wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 11:23am: Tough titties. Find a job if you don't like it. and that answer just highlights what a complete and utter more on you are Is mindless abuse allowed on this forum?

you should consider it a compliment ..... the only people I've abused with my comment was other more ons

What about his wife & kid?

How will they eat if he has cut up his card?

Bobby. wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 11:41am:

What about his wife & kid? How will they eat if he has cut up his card?

Why can't he just get told the information he wants? Why is it such a state secret who has access to the information and why?

John Smith wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 11:26am:

Aussie, wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 11:23am: Tough titties. Find a job if you don't like it. and that answer just highlights what a complete and utter more on you are

I wouldn't have expected you to understand what having a job is like. You should try it sometime instead of leeching off hard working Australians.

Aussie, wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 11:47am:

I wouldn't have expected you to understand what having a job is like.

I'm sure the world, quite often, doesn't live up to your expectations.

it doesnt matter who you are you need to feel RESPECTED.....

if this makes you feel worse than any prisoner in a cell....then there is something wrong..

I can see a point where some control needs to be had.. but really...taking away peoples DIGNITY doesnt do it for me..

John Smith wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 11:18am:

He has a very valid argument. He isn't disputing the card Or even the reasons for it. He happily accepted his card. why is the govt. keeping secret WHO has access to all his personal information? Why do they need to provide those details to private companies in the first place?

I agree.

The 'hunger strike' bit is ridiculous although the privacy concern is valid.

Not all of the welfare money goes onto this card either does it? Eg. people still get cash normally also.

The so called "cashless" welfare card is misnomer.
It's main purpose is to reduce the possibility for the vulnerable to waste their welfare on alcohol & gambling. It requires a proportion of the benefits to be spent in designated places such as the major supermarkets.
It ought to be compulsory for all recipients of new start & like. Benefits, as well as for aboriginals and refugees.

Webtoad wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 12:13pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 11:18am: He has a very valid argument. He isn't disputing the card Or even the reasons for it. He happily accepted his card. why is the govt. keeping secret WHO has access to all his personal information? Why do they need to provide those details to private companies in the first place? I agree. The 'hunger strike' bit is ridiculous although the privacy concern is valid. Not all of the welfare money goes onto this card either does it? Eg. people still get cash normally also.

Not when merchants are price gouging because people have no choice.

This paternalistic interference in people's lives won't have any positive benefits and plenty of negative ones. It is an expensive waste of money that would cost thousands per year per person to run. Better to spend the money creating jobs rather than pandering to Coalition donors.

That will help the vulnerable, who will always be with us, to use their money to feed the kids etc won't it.

Bam wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 11:47am:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 11:41am: What about his wife & kid? How will they eat if he has cut up his card? Why can't he just get told the information he wants? Why is it such a state secret who has access to the information and why?

That doesn't answer my questions.

Bobby. wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 1:25pm:

Bam wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 11:47am: Bobby. wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 11:41am: What about his wife & kid? How will they eat if he has cut up his card? Why can't he just get told the information he wants? Why is it such a state secret who has access to the information and why? That doesn't answer my questions.

You also have not provided any answer to mine, but in fairness it is DHS who should be answering them.

Why would DHS prefer to see someone starve than answer some very simple questions?

bogarde73 wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 1:21pm:

That will help the vulnerable, who will always be with us, to use their money to feed the kids etc won't it.

Not if these vulnerable people are having significant portions of their payment stolen by unscrupulous merchants who are overcharging them. Many of these vulnerable people have no choice over where they can buy their essentials so up goes the price. It is theft, pure and simple.


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In Ceduna where they started trials on the basics card, people are claiming shops that allow it to be used there are upping the prices and taking advantage of people’s lack of choice. One lady even told us that if she spends over $100 at Coles and uses her card, they charge her an extra $32. People from the trials have complained about not being able to purchase from local farmers, not having cash to send to send their children on school camps or excursions, having no money available for family outings, and these photos from the Kununurra show just go to show the effect the cards are having on family life.

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Normally on opening night at any show, sideshow alley is packed with smiling children and their parents. But people just do not have the money available for these simple things anymore.

Here you are, read all about it.


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Cashless Debit Card Trial – Overview The Commonwealth Government is looking at the best possible ways to provide support to people, families and communities in locations where high levels of welfare dependence exist alongside high levels of harm related to drug and alcohol abuse. The Cashless Debit Card Trial is aimed at finding an effective tool for supporting disadvantaged communities to reduce the consumption and effects of drugs, alcohol and gambling that impact on the health and wellbeing of communities, families and children. How the cashless debit card works The cashless debit card looks and operates like a normal bank card, except it cannot be used to buy alcohol or gambling products, or to withdraw cash. The card can be used anywhere that accepts debit cards. It will work online, for shopping and paying bills. The Indue website lists the approved merchants and excluded merchants for the trial. Who will take part in the trial? Under the trial, all recipients of working age income support payments who live in a trial location will receive a cashless debit card. The full list of included payments is available on the Guides to Social Security Law website. People on the Age Pension, a veteran’s payment or who earn a wage can volunteer to take part in the trial. Information on volunteering for the trial is available. Application forms for people who wish to volunteer can be downloaded from the Indue website. How will it affect Centrelink payments? The trial doesn’t change the amount of money a person receives from Centrelink. It only changes the way in which people receive and spend their fortnightly payments:     80 per cent is paid onto the cashless debit card     20 per cent is paid into a person’s regular bank account.

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The Commonwealth Government is looking at the best possible ways to provide support to people, families and communities in locations where high levels of welfare dependence exist alongside high levels of harm related to drug and alcohol abuse. The Cashless Debit Card Trial is aimed at finding an effective tool for supporting disadvantaged communities to reduce the consumption and effects of drugs, alcohol and gambling that impact on the health and wellbeing of communities, families and children.

Except it doesn't. It won't do anything to curb these alleged problems. All it is doing is fostering the black market. People who want to indulge in these vices will find a way around it. It is common for people who are being forced onto this kind of program to purchase "approved" items with the cards and then on-sell those items, often at a loss, to get cash. It causes more harm than good because other people are being overcharged for basic goods due to lack of choice.

This is the sort of problem we get when rent seekers are indulged. All the rent seekers have to do is wave a bucket of cash at the Coaltiion, and the Coalition gets weak at the knees. If this paternalistic crap was rolled out across the country, it would cost billions to run, take more billions out of the hands of those who need it the most, and have no effect on the consumption of legal vices.

If alcohol and tobacco was such a problem, why not just ban them for everyone?

The point is, we should NOT have ANY right to tell people how to spend THEIR money.

Kat wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 2:20pm:

The point is, we should NOT have ANY right to tell people how to spend THEIR money.

Exactly! It's not as if alcohol abuse is such a widespread problem. So why punish all social security recipients for the perceived sins of a few? If such a card is such a good idea, why not roll out income management for everyone including salary and wage earners and the wealthy? Most alcohol and drug abuse is done by people with jobs.

bogarde73 wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 1:21pm:

That will help the vulnerable, who will always be with us, to use their money to feed the kids etc won't it.

bullsh1t ... it will only make the vulnerable more vulnerable ...

from the OP.

he could already see a black market popping up in town, with people paying $150 cash for $200 worth of product purchased with a card.

can we do the same with politicians credit cards?

Kat wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 2:20pm:

The point is, we should NOT have ANY right to tell people how to spend THEIR money.

Their money that they earn through their own efforts; not some welfare handout earned by the efforts of someone else .... ohh wait it is a hand out earned by some one else's' efforts and given to welfare recipients as a temporary measure.


There is an easy solution, earn your own money and you can then complain about how the government wastes your tax dollars of bullsh1t too.  ;D ;D ;D ;D


In short you have no right to complain about money someone else earned for you.

Aussie, wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 11:47am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 11:26am: Aussie, wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 11:23am: Tough titties. Find a job if you don't like it. and that answer just highlights what a complete and utter more on you are I wouldn't have expected you to understand what having a job is like. You should try it sometime instead of leeching off hard working Australians.

Is that really you longprong58 ???

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BigOl64 wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 3:04pm:

Kat wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 2:20pm: The point is, we should NOT have ANY right to tell people how to spend THEIR money. Their money that they earn through their own efforts; not some welfare handout earned by the efforts of someone else .... ohh wait it is a hand out earned by some one else's' efforts and given to welfare recipients as a temporary measure. There is an easy solution, earn your own money and you can then complain about how the government wastes your tax dollars of bullsh1t too.  ;D ;D ;D ;D In short you have no right to complain about money someone else earned for you.

BigOl, it IS THEIR MONEY.

It is NOT 'taxpayer's money, it is THEIRS. Does every deposit into your bank account still belong to the depositor? No, of course not.

Do these depositors retain the right to control what you do with those funds? Again, of course not.

No-Start is NO DIFFERENT.

It is NOT a 'hand-out', as the Right seem to believe. It is (grossly-inadequate) compensation for being unable to get a job.

And with job-seekers STILL outnumbering jobs by 8 to 1, your 'easy solution' is simply wishful thinking.

Stop using 1950s rhetoric to address a 2010s problem.

John Smith wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 11:18am:

He has a very valid argument. He isn't disputing the card Or even the reasons for it. He happily accepted his card. why is the govt. keeping secret WHO has access to all his personal information? Why do they need to provide those details to private companies in the first place?

I agree with you john.


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..................Daniel and his family thought nothing of it, they don’t drink or gamble so they didn’t see too much of an issue. When the cards were being issued, like everyone else Daniel went to receive his. He was given a card, a PIN and a booklet of terms and conditions. Nobody was asked to sign anything, no one signed the terms or for the cards, which Daniel found slightly questionable. So he went home and studied the information booklet and found the contents quite disturbing. The terms allow for collection of the cards data, all your purchases, all your information, and then they allow for this private information to be given to not only government departments but any private company at their discretion. Daniel decided to cut up his card and not use it at all. After asking questions and looking further into it, Daniel got no real answers to his question “Who has access to all this data and why?” he made the decision to take a stand and go on hunger strike. Today is day five of Mr Taylors hunger strike and he says “I’m feeling really weak and scatterbrained” he claims he is not going to eat until he gets the answers he is after. In a phone interview with Daniel a few days ago he stated that he could already see a black market popping up in town, with people paying $150 cash for $200 worth of product purchased with a card. In Ceduna where they started trials on the basics card, people are claiming shops that allow it to be used there are upping the prices and taking advantage of people’s lack of choice. One lady even told us that if she spends over $100 at Coles and uses her card, they charge her an extra $32...................

It should be kept in mind the govt is giving away my taxes.
I don't want this social security to be part of a marketing exercise.

Good luck Daniel.

Sir lastnail wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 3:07pm:

Aussie, wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 11:47am: John Smith wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 11:26am: Aussie, wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 11:23am: Tough titties. Find a job if you don't like it. and that answer just highlights what a complete and utter more on you are I wouldn't have expected you to understand what having a job is like. You should try it sometime instead of leeching off hard working Australians. Is that really you longprong58 ??? http://www.historyofthings.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/sock-puppet.jpg

Hi sir Nail,

r u saying that Longy is back again?

Sir lastnail wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 3:07pm:

Aussie, wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 11:47am: John Smith wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 11:26am: Aussie, wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 11:23am: Tough titties. Find a job if you don't like it. and that answer just highlights what a complete and utter more on you are I wouldn't have expected you to understand what having a job is like. You should try it sometime instead of leeching off hard working Australians. Is that really you longprong58 ??? http://www.historyofthings.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/sock-puppet.jpg

Confucius say:-  Man who have to wear sock to cover identity must have strong smelling footprint.

Kat wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 3:23pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 3:04pm: Kat wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 2:20pm: The point is, we should NOT have ANY right to tell people how to spend THEIR money. Their money that they earn through their own efforts; not some welfare handout earned by the efforts of someone else .... ohh wait it is a hand out earned by some one else's' efforts and given to welfare recipients as a temporary measure. There is an easy solution, earn your own money and you can then complain about how the government wastes your tax dollars of bullsh1t too.  ;D ;D ;D ;D In short you have no right to complain about money someone else earned for you. BigOl, it IS THEIR MONEY. It is NOT 'taxpayer's money, it is THEIRS. Does every deposit into your bank account still belong to the depositor? No, of course not. Do these depositors retain the right to control what you do with those funds? Again, of course not. No-Start is NO DIFFERENT. It is NOT a 'hand-out', as the Right seem to believe. It is (grossly-inadequate) compensation for being unable to get a job. And with job-seekers STILL outnumbering jobs by 8 to 1, your 'easy solution' is simply wishful thinking. Stop using 1950s rhetoric to address a 2010s problem.

The only money I consider my money, is the money I earned.

So when the money I earned and taken from me to give to someone else who did nothing to earn it, is never to be considered as theirs to do with what ever they want.

The problem is that people become used to the fact the welfare is an acceptable income and they should feel good about receiving money they did not earn.

Not even a child should feel that money they didn't earn is their 'right'.


The dole is meant to be a temporary measure between jobs, not a fully funded lifestyle.

So - where are the jobs?

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 3:53pm:

So - where are the jobs?

I think it would be better to 'make your own job', than apply for one.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 3:53pm:

So - where are the jobs?

Ask backpackers, they seem to lob into Australia and find employment pretty easy. But they aren't competing with true blue Aussie welfare recipients who couldn't be fkked finding a job; so they have that going for them.

Sir lastnail wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 3:07pm:

Aussie, wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 11:47am: John Smith wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 11:26am: Aussie, wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 11:23am: Tough titties. Find a job if you don't like it. and that answer just highlights what a complete and utter more on you are I wouldn't have expected you to understand what having a job is like. You should try it sometime instead of leeching off hard working Australians. Is that really you longprong58 ??? http://www.historyofthings.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/sock-puppet.jpg

Nah, melielongtime has it way over this person in every aspect.

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 4:04pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 3:53pm: So - where are the jobs? Ask backpackers, they seem to lob into Australia and find employment pretty easy. But they aren't competing with true blue Aussie welfare recipients who couldn't be fkked finding a job; so they have that going for them.

that's because they don't mind a couple of weeks work here and a couple of weeks work 2000km away all whilst staying in backpackers hostels. Try doing that with a family, paying rent and other living expenses for them plus your transport, living and accommodation expenses for yourself, long term, and you'd end up worse off than not working at all.

John Smith wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 11:37am:

Aussie, wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 11:35am: John Smith wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 11:26am: Aussie, wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 11:23am: Tough titties. Find a job if you don't like it. and that answer just highlights what a complete and utter more on you are Is mindless abuse allowed on this forum? you should consider it a compliment ..... the only people I've abused with my comment was other nice people

;D

John Smith wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 4:10pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 4:04pm: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 3:53pm: So - where are the jobs? Ask backpackers, they seem to lob into Australia and find employment pretty easy. But they aren't competing with true blue Aussie welfare recipients who couldn't be fkked finding a job; so they have that going for them. that's because they don't mind a couple of weeks work here and a couple of weeks work 2000km away all whilst staying in backpackers hostels. Try doing that with a family, paying rent and other living expenses for them plus your transport, living and accommodation expenses for yourself, long term, and you'd end up worse off than not working at all.

So long as they have an excuse then everything is ok.

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 4:04pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 3:53pm: So - where are the jobs? Ask backpackers, they seem to lob into Australia and find employment pretty easy.

Employers discriminate heavily against Australian unemployed when hiring, do try to keep up.

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 3:46pm:

The only money I consider my money, is the money I earned. So when the money I earned and taken from me to give to someone else who did nothing to earn it, is never to be considered as theirs to do with what ever they want.

This is where you fail.

Kat wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 3:23pm:

it IS THEIR MONEY. It is NOT 'taxpayer's money, it is THEIRS. Does every deposit into your bank account still belong to the depositor? No, of course not. Do these depositors retain the right to control what you do with those funds? Again, of course not. No-Start is NO DIFFERENT. It is NOT a 'hand-out', as the Right seem to believe. It is (grossly-inadequate) compensation for being unable to get a job. And with job-seekers STILL outnumbering jobs by 8 to 1, your 'easy solution' is simply wishful thinking.

The ratio is closer to 16 to 1 now.

If you're unemployed and either under 25 or over 40, you've got no chance of getting work with many employers.

Bam wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 5:00pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 4:04pm: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 3:53pm: So - where are the jobs? Ask backpackers, they seem to lob into Australia and find employment pretty easy. Employers discriminate heavily against Australian unemployed when hiring, do try to keep up.

And you have evidence of this or do you need it to be real, so your argument doesn't not look like a load of sh1t.

Bam wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 5:00pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 4:04pm: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 3:53pm: So - where are the jobs? Ask backpackers, they seem to lob into Australia and find employment pretty easy. Employers discriminate heavily against Australian unemployed when hiring, do try to keep up.

Exactly! That is why I tell people to "get a job, any job" even it it is below you, if you are "filling in" doing cleaning or whatever, at least you are proving you are WILLING TO WORK ... and will get a better reception at an interview for what you are qualified to do.

There is a saying in the Employment circles ... if you are unemployed, you are unemployable.   Believe it. Sad but true.

Bam wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 5:01pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 3:46pm: The only money I consider my money, is the money I earned. So when the money I earned and taken from me to give to someone else who did nothing to earn it, is never to be considered as theirs to do with what ever they want. This is where you fail.

Yes Im a money earning failure; I pay a sh1t load in taxes to keep successful dole bludgers in 'free' money from cradle to grave.

Friggen clown.

This will strike fear into the hearts of the Lefties and Greenies feeding off the Australian taxpayers.

Neferti wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 5:09pm:

Bam wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 5:00pm: BigOl64 wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 4:04pm: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 3:53pm: So - where are the jobs? Ask backpackers, they seem to lob into Australia and find employment pretty easy. Employers discriminate heavily against Australian unemployed when hiring, do try to keep up. Exactly! That is why I tell people to "get a job, any job" even it it is below you, if you are "filling in" doing cleaning or whatever, at least you are proving you are WILLING TO WORK ... and will get a better reception at an interview for what you are qualified to do. There is a saying in the Employment circles ... if you are unemployed, you are unemployable.   Believe it. Sad but true.

Just goes to show how short-sighted, narrow-minded, overfed, complacent and fundamentally stupid those in 'employment circles' really are.

Maybe we need to get rid of these over-priced leeches and have a first come - first served for a job system..... anyone with adequate qualifications gets first call... and if you already have a full-timer - adios muchachos.... hasta la vista, babes....

juliar wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 5:11pm:

This will strike fear into the hearts of the Lefties and Greenies feeding off the Australian taxpayers.

You mean the politicians and their fat cat mates?

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 4:56pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 4:10pm: BigOl64 wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 4:04pm: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 3:53pm: So - where are the jobs? Ask backpackers, they seem to lob into Australia and find employment pretty easy. But they aren't competing with true blue Aussie welfare recipients who couldn't be fkked finding a job; so they have that going for them. that's because they don't mind a couple of weeks work here and a couple of weeks work 2000km away all whilst staying in backpackers hostels. Try doing that with a family, paying rent and other living expenses for them plus your transport, living and accommodation expenses for yourself, long term, and you'd end up worse off than not working at all. So long as they have an excuse then everything is ok.

if you want to call reality an excuse, go for it.

You can sit and yell from the sidelines if you want, it won't change reality one little bit.

Kat wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 2:20pm:

The point is, we should NOT have ANY right to tell people how to spend THEIR money.

its NOT YOUR money...

its mine..

and I don't want you pissing it up against a wall like an ungrateful TURD....  >:(

Bam wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 2:25pm:

Kat wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 2:20pm: The point is, we should NOT have ANY right to tell people how to spend THEIR money. Exactly! It's not as if alcohol abuse is such a widespread problem. So why punish all social security recipients for the perceived sins of a few? If such a card is such a good idea, why not roll out income management for everyone including salary and wage earners and the wealthy? Most alcohol and drug abuse is done by people with jobs.

what an ignorant more on..

people like you make me sick to my stomach..

go live in Kununurra for 12 month and I'm 100% positive that you'll change your stupid ignorant ways...

why on earth do you think that they are doing the trial in Kununurra in the first place???

huh???

Neferti wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 5:09pm:

Bam wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 5:00pm: BigOl64 wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 4:04pm: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 3:53pm: So - where are the jobs? Ask backpackers, they seem to lob into Australia and find employment pretty easy. Employers discriminate heavily against Australian unemployed when hiring, do try to keep up. Exactly! That is why I tell people to "get a job, any job" even it it is below you, if you are "filling in" doing cleaning or whatever, at least you are proving you are WILLING TO WORK ... and will get a better reception at an interview for what you are qualified to do. There is a saying in the Employment circles ... if you are unemployed, you are unemployable.   Believe it. Sad but true.

utter horse poo...

farmers will employ anyone who is willing to work

you get paid for what you do..

as in..

per Bucket of grapes you pick for instance...

the more buckets you fill, the more you get paid...

if you are a hard worker then you'll get paid well..

if you are an Australian bludging tossa.. you wont get paid much and welfare will seem like a great option as you are a lazy slob..

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 7:20pm:

Bam wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 2:25pm: Kat wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 2:20pm: The point is, we should NOT have ANY right to tell people how to spend THEIR money. Exactly! It's not as if alcohol abuse is such a widespread problem. So why punish all social security recipients for the perceived sins of a few? If such a card is such a good idea, why not roll out income management for everyone including salary and wage earners and the wealthy? Most alcohol and drug abuse is done by people with jobs. what an ignorant more on.. people like you make me sick to my stomach.. go live in Kununurra for 12 month and I'm 100% positive that you'll change your stupid ignorant ways... why on earth do you think that they are doing the trial in Kununurra in the first place??? huh???

People with facts make you sick because they expose your ignorance.

There are about 700,000 unemployed people in this country. The great majority do not have alcohol problems. You have no evidence to the contrary because no such evidence exists. And it is a fact that the majority of people with alcohol problems have jobs simply because there are more of them. There is no evidence to support the proposition that everyone who is unemployed has to be punished for the sins of a few. None whatsoever. Punishing people for crimes they never committed is not the mark of a free country.

Perhaps YOU are the one who should spend some time with unemployed people and you will have your eyes opened. Scientists, engineers, electricians, truck drivers, all manner of occupations and they are all without work simply because there are not enough jobs out there and there haven't been for forty years. There isn't a job fairy, even though some rightards seem to think otherwise.

Bam wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 7:31pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 7:20pm: Bam wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 2:25pm: Kat wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 2:20pm: The point is, we should NOT have ANY right to tell people how to spend THEIR money. Exactly! It's not as if alcohol abuse is such a widespread problem. So why punish all social security recipients for the perceived sins of a few? If such a card is such a good idea, why not roll out income management for everyone including salary and wage earners and the wealthy? Most alcohol and drug abuse is done by people with jobs. what an ignorant more on.. people like you make me sick to my stomach.. go live in Kununurra for 12 month and I'm 100% positive that you'll change your stupid ignorant ways... why on earth do you think that they are doing the trial in Kununurra in the first place??? huh??? People with facts make you sick because they expose your ignorance. There are about 700,000 unemployed people in this country. The great majority do not have alcohol problems. You have no evidence to the contrary because no such evidence exists. And it is a fact that the majority of people with alcohol problems have jobs simply because there are more of them. There is no evidence to support the proposition that everyone who is unemployed has to be punished for the sins of a few. None whatsoever. Punishing people for crimes they never committed is not the mark of a free country. Perhaps YOU are the one who should spend some time with unemployed people and you will have your eyes opened. Scientists, engineers, electricians, truck drivers, all manner of occupations and they are all without work simply because there are not enough jobs out there and there haven't been for forty years. There isn't a job fairy, even though some rightards seem to think otherwise.

like a said .. go live in Kununurra for 12 months and you'll understand why they are trailing it there..

if you want to work in Australia you'll find work..

its that simple..

and if ALL OF THESE PEOPLE don't drink alcohol as you say then you wont mind having a grocery card then.. nor will others..

ITS NOT YOUR MONEY..

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 7:28pm:

Neferti wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 5:09pm: Bam wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 5:00pm: BigOl64 wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 4:04pm: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 3:53pm: So - where are the jobs? Ask backpackers, they seem to lob into Australia and find employment pretty easy. Employers discriminate heavily against Australian unemployed when hiring, do try to keep up. Exactly! That is why I tell people to "get a job, any job" even it it is below you, if you are "filling in" doing cleaning or whatever, at least you are proving you are WILLING TO WORK ... and will get a better reception at an interview for what you are qualified to do. There is a saying in the Employment circles ... if you are unemployed, you are unemployable.   Believe it. Sad but true. utter horse poo... farmers will employ anyone who is willing to work you get paid for what you do.. as in.. per Bucket of grapes you pick for instance... the more buckets you fill, the more you get paid... if you are a hard worker then you'll get paid well.. if you are an Australian bludging tossa.. you wont get paid much and welfare will seem like a great option as you are a lazy slob..

A little story.
A lady at work who runs a body corporate couldn't find anyone to
fix the roof guttering on some units.

5 different tradespeople turned the job down - & wouldn't even quote.

A 6th one turned up & quoted to fix the whole roof instead  & mostly forgot about the guttering.

It seems that many tradespeople people don't want any work.

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 5:08pm:

Bam wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 5:00pm: BigOl64 wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 4:04pm: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 3:53pm: So - where are the jobs? Ask backpackers, they seem to lob into Australia and find employment pretty easy. Employers discriminate heavily against Australian unemployed when hiring, do try to keep up. And you have evidence of this or do you need it to be real, so your argument doesn't not look like a load of sh1t.

Is this the same bloke(?) who was trying to give everyone English Grammar lessons last week??

Bam wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 7:31pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 7:20pm: Bam wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 2:25pm: Kat wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 2:20pm: The point is, we should NOT have ANY right to tell people how to spend THEIR money. Exactly! It's not as if alcohol abuse is such a widespread problem. So why punish all social security recipients for the perceived sins of a few? If such a card is such a good idea, why not roll out income management for everyone including salary and wage earners and the wealthy? Most alcohol and drug abuse is done by people with jobs. what an ignorant more on.. people like you make me sick to my stomach.. go live in Kununurra for 12 month and I'm 100% positive that you'll change your stupid ignorant ways... why on earth do you think that they are doing the trial in Kununurra in the first place??? huh??? People with facts make you sick because they expose your ignorance. There are about 700,000 unemployed people in this country. The great majority do not have alcohol problems. You have no evidence to the contrary because no such evidence exists. And it is a fact that the majority of people with alcohol problems have jobs simply because there are more of them. There is no evidence to support the proposition that everyone who is unemployed has to be punished for the sins of a few. None whatsoever. Punishing people for crimes they never committed is not the mark of a free country. Perhaps YOU are the one who should spend some time with unemployed people and you will have your eyes opened. Scientists, engineers, electricians, truck drivers, all manner of occupations and they are all without work simply because there are not enough jobs out there and there haven't been for forty years. There isn't a job fairy, even though some rightards seem to think otherwise.

If the govt declared war on welfare recipients, this would be against the Geneva Convention.

But then we do seem to be a country that likes to punish the majority for the actions of a small minority across the spectrum of behaviour.

Surely it's not that hard to identify those that may need this and those that don't. A look at their utility bill history would probably suffice.

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President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 7:17pm:

Kat wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 2:20pm: The point is, we should NOT have ANY right to tell people how to spend THEIR money. its NOT YOUR money... its mine.. and I don't want you pissing it up against a wall like an ungrateful TURD....  >:(

Down the club Wednesday to raise a glass..... I'll remember you... even toast you....

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 8:32pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 7:17pm: Kat wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 2:20pm: The point is, we should NOT have ANY right to tell people how to spend THEIR money. its NOT YOUR money... its mine.. and I don't want you pissing it up against a wall like an ungrateful TURD....  >:( Down the club Wednesday to raise a glass..... I'll remember you... even toast you....

I will too. I'll do it every beer I drink so that Mech will so feel the gratitude he'll tip in a few more tax dollars for my pension when I get there.

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 7:17pm:

Kat wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 2:20pm: The point is, we should NOT have ANY right to tell people how to spend THEIR money. its NOT YOUR money... its mine.. and I don't want you pissing it up against a wall like an ungrateful TURD....  >:(

Wrong.

It is THEIRS, despite your claim to the contrary.

Claiming it's not their money just makes you look stupid.

Bobby. wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 8:00pm:

A little story. A lady at work who runs a body corporate couldn't find anyone to fix the roof guttering on some units. 5 different tradespeople turned the job down - & wouldn't even quote. A 6th one turned up & quoted to fix the whole roof instead  & mostly forgot about the guttering. It seems that many tradespeople people don't want any work.

In my line of work, I come across that all the time. The problem is not finding someone to do the job, it's finding someone with the correct license and insurance who is willing to do the job.

The body corporate, or their insurance, can not accept work from someone who doesn't have both. For the body corporate to accept work from someone who doesn't have both would mean the body corp. would become liable if something went wrong.

Kat wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 8:58pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 7:17pm: Kat wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 2:20pm: The point is, we should NOT have ANY right to tell people how to spend THEIR money. its NOT YOUR money... its mine.. and I don't want you pissing it up against a wall like an ungrateful TURD....  >:( Wrong. It is THEIRS, despite your claim to the contrary. Claiming it's not their money just makes you look stupid.

Mechanic does that on a daily basis

You dont need to be licensed to fix guttering, get a grip.

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 3:46pm:

Kat wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 3:23pm: BigOl64 wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 3:04pm: Kat wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 2:20pm: The point is, we should NOT have ANY right to tell people how to spend THEIR money. Their money that they earn through their own efforts; not some welfare handout earned by the efforts of someone else .... ohh wait it is a hand out earned by some one else's' efforts and given to welfare recipients as a temporary measure. There is an easy solution, earn your own money and you can then complain about how the government wastes your tax dollars of bullsh1t too.  ;D ;D ;D ;D In short you have no right to complain about money someone else earned for you. BigOl, it IS THEIR MONEY. It is NOT 'taxpayer's money, it is THEIRS. Does every deposit into your bank account still belong to the depositor? No, of course not. Do these depositors retain the right to control what you do with those funds? Again, of course not. No-Start is NO DIFFERENT. It is NOT a 'hand-out', as the Right seem to believe. It is (grossly-inadequate) compensation for being unable to get a job. And with job-seekers STILL outnumbering jobs by 8 to 1, your 'easy solution' is simply wishful thinking. Stop using 1950s rhetoric to address a 2010s problem. The only money I consider my money, is the money I earned. So when the money I earned and taken from me to give to someone else who did nothing to earn it, is never to be considered as theirs to do with what ever they want. The problem is that people become used to the fact the welfare is an acceptable income and they should feel good about receiving money they did not earn. Not even a child should feel that money they didn't earn is their 'right'. The dole is meant to be a temporary measure between jobs, not a fully funded lifestyle.

And once again, since you seem to have missed it...


Quote:

And with job-seekers STILL outnumbering jobs by 8 to 1, your 'easy solution' is simply wishful thinking. Stop using 1950s rhetoric to address a 2010s problem.

Your out-dated rhetoric no longer applies.

For 7 out of 8 job-seekers, it IS their bloody 'lifestyle' whether they (or you) like it or not.

And doing nothing but abusing and denigrating them is NOT the answer.

Shorten Socialism - the road to DESPAIR!!!!


http://1v1d1e1lmiki1lgcvx32p49h8fe.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/bill-shorten-slumped-getty-740x385.jpg

I only open my mouth to change feet!!!!

Setanta wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 8:14pm:

Bam wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 7:31pm: President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 7:20pm: Bam wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 2:25pm: Kat wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 2:20pm: The point is, we should NOT have ANY right to tell people how to spend THEIR money. Exactly! It's not as if alcohol abuse is such a widespread problem. So why punish all social security recipients for the perceived sins of a few? If such a card is such a good idea, why not roll out income management for everyone including salary and wage earners and the wealthy? Most alcohol and drug abuse is done by people with jobs. what an ignorant more on.. people like you make me sick to my stomach.. go live in Kununurra for 12 month and I'm 100% positive that you'll change your stupid ignorant ways... why on earth do you think that they are doing the trial in Kununurra in the first place??? huh??? People with facts make you sick because they expose your ignorance. There are about 700,000 unemployed people in this country. The great majority do not have alcohol problems. You have no evidence to the contrary because no such evidence exists. And it is a fact that the majority of people with alcohol problems have jobs simply because there are more of them. There is no evidence to support the proposition that everyone who is unemployed has to be punished for the sins of a few. None whatsoever. Punishing people for crimes they never committed is not the mark of a free country. Perhaps YOU are the one who should spend some time with unemployed people and you will have your eyes opened. Scientists, engineers, electricians, truck drivers, all manner of occupations and they are all without work simply because there are not enough jobs out there and there haven't been for forty years. There isn't a job fairy, even though some rightards seem to think otherwise. If the govt declared war on welfare recipients, this would be against the Geneva Convention. But then we do seem to be a country that likes to punish the majority for the actions of a small minority across the spectrum of behaviour. Surely it's not that hard to identify those that may need this and those that don't. A look at their utility bill history would probably suffice.

Probably not, actually.

Utility bills are often put off til the last minute or even allowed into arrears, in
order to cover other expenses and put food on the table.

As I've stated previously, I'd have no issue with this IF it was applied ONLY on
an individual basis and ONLY with strong supporting evidence from police, the
courts or DoCS etc.

To the other 95% of recipients, it's an unwarranted and un-needed imposition
and a blatant insult.

juliar wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 9:09pm:

Shorten Socialism - the road to DESPAIR!!!! http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2014/06/11/1229650/845547-2c6606a8-f129-11e3-94a8-09c2117d0a9e.jpg

Oh, DO shut up!

Isn't it past your bed-time?

ian wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 9:01pm:

You dont need to be licensed to fix guttering, get a grip.

http://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/ftw/Tradespeople/Home_building_licensing/Licence_classes_and_qualifications/Roof_plumbing.page

you do if you want to do work for a body corporate  :D :D

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 7:39pm:

Bam wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 7:31pm: President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 7:20pm: Bam wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 2:25pm: Kat wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 2:20pm: The point is, we should NOT have ANY right to tell people how to spend THEIR money. Exactly! It's not as if alcohol abuse is such a widespread problem. So why punish all social security recipients for the perceived sins of a few? If such a card is such a good idea, why not roll out income management for everyone including salary and wage earners and the wealthy? Most alcohol and drug abuse is done by people with jobs. what an ignorant more on.. people like you make me sick to my stomach.. go live in Kununurra for 12 month and I'm 100% positive that you'll change your stupid ignorant ways... why on earth do you think that they are doing the trial in Kununurra in the first place??? huh??? People with facts make you sick because they expose your ignorance. There are about 700,000 unemployed people in this country. The great majority do not have alcohol problems. You have no evidence to the contrary because no such evidence exists. And it is a fact that the majority of people with alcohol problems have jobs simply because there are more of them. There is no evidence to support the proposition that everyone who is unemployed has to be punished for the sins of a few. None whatsoever. Punishing people for crimes they never committed is not the mark of a free country. Perhaps YOU are the one who should spend some time with unemployed people and you will have your eyes opened. Scientists, engineers, electricians, truck drivers, all manner of occupations and they are all without work simply because there are not enough jobs out there and there haven't been for forty years. There isn't a job fairy, even though some rightards seem to think otherwise. like a said .. go live in Kununurra for 12 months and you'll understand why they are trailing it there.. if you want to work in Australia you'll find work.. its that simple..

You have no idea what you're talking about, none at all.

There is NO job fairy. 700,000 people have no jobs because there are not the jobs available for them to fill. That is a simple fact that seems to have trouble breaking its way through your invincible ignorance.

If there were 700,000 unfilled vacancies in this country right now, we would be hearing a lot of justified complaints about labour shortages and the wages of workers wouldn't be growing at their slowest rate for over 50 years. That we are not hearing about this is evidence enough that we don't have a shortage of labour, we have a shortage of jobs. We have not had real full employment since about 1969.

Kat wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 9:12pm:

Setanta wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 8:14pm: Bam wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 7:31pm: President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 7:20pm: Bam wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 2:25pm: Kat wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 2:20pm: The point is, we should NOT have ANY right to tell people how to spend THEIR money. Exactly! It's not as if alcohol abuse is such a widespread problem. So why punish all social security recipients for the perceived sins of a few? If such a card is such a good idea, why not roll out income management for everyone including salary and wage earners and the wealthy? Most alcohol and drug abuse is done by people with jobs. what an ignorant more on.. people like you make me sick to my stomach.. go live in Kununurra for 12 month and I'm 100% positive that you'll change your stupid ignorant ways... why on earth do you think that they are doing the trial in Kununurra in the first place??? huh??? People with facts make you sick because they expose your ignorance. There are about 700,000 unemployed people in this country. The great majority do not have alcohol problems. You have no evidence to the contrary because no such evidence exists. And it is a fact that the majority of people with alcohol problems have jobs simply because there are more of them. There is no evidence to support the proposition that everyone who is unemployed has to be punished for the sins of a few. None whatsoever. Punishing people for crimes they never committed is not the mark of a free country. Perhaps YOU are the one who should spend some time with unemployed people and you will have your eyes opened. Scientists, engineers, electricians, truck drivers, all manner of occupations and they are all without work simply because there are not enough jobs out there and there haven't been for forty years. There isn't a job fairy, even though some rightards seem to think otherwise. If the govt declared war on welfare recipients, this would be against the Geneva Convention. But then we do seem to be a country that likes to punish the majority for the actions of a small minority across the spectrum of behaviour. Surely it's not that hard to identify those that may need this and those that don't. A look at their utility bill history would probably suffice. Probably not, actually. Utility bills are often put off til the last minute or even allowed into arrears, in order to cover other expenses and put food on the table.

If the utility bill history showed a history of payment despite the circumstances, that would be compelling evidence of an ability to manage money. A better ability, in fact, than is shown by 95% of the population.


Kat wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 9:12pm:

As I've stated previously, I'd have no issue with this IF it was applied ONLY on an individual basis and ONLY with strong supporting evidence from police, the courts or DoCS etc. To the other 95% of recipients, it's an unwarranted and un-needed imposition and a blatant insult.

And therein lies the problem. A system that is imposed on everyone, without any regard for their personal circumstances. Why stop there though? 90% of the workers in this country are one trip to HR away from retrenchment and unemployment at any time, so why not just give it to everyone pre-emptively?

John Smith wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 9:15pm:

ian wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 9:01pm: You dont need to be licensed to fix guttering, get a grip. http://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/ftw/Tradespeople/Home_building_licensing/Licence_classes_and_qualifications/Roof_plumbing.page you do if you want to do work for a body corporate  :D :D

You need to read that a bit better, it supports my statement.

Page kick!

ian wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 9:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 9:15pm: ian wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 9:01pm: You dont need to be licensed to fix guttering, get a grip. http://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/ftw/Tradespeople/Home_building_licensing/Licence_classes_and_qualifications/Roof_plumbing.page you do if you want to do work for a body corporate  :D :D You need to read that a bit better, it supports my statement.

It quite clearly is a page that sets out the qualifications and licensing for roof plumbers in NSW. How does it support your statement?

Bam wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 9:28pm:

ian wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 9:24pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 9:15pm: ian wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 9:01pm: You dont need to be licensed to fix guttering, get a grip. http://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/ftw/Tradespeople/Home_building_licensing/Licence_classes_and_qualifications/Roof_plumbing.page you do if you want to do work for a body corporate  :D :D You need to read that a bit better, it supports my statement. It quite clearly is a page that sets out the qualifications and licensing for roof plumbers in NSW. How does it support your statement?

Johns in QLD. Maybe he forgot.

ian wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 9:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 9:15pm: ian wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 9:01pm: You dont need to be licensed to fix guttering, get a grip. http://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/ftw/Tradespeople/Home_building_licensing/Licence_classes_and_qualifications/Roof_plumbing.page you do if you want to do work for a body corporate  :D :D You need to read that a bit better, it supports my statement.

Good work Ian. You've caught him out again.

What a bloody loser!

Bam wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 9:23pm:

If the utility bill history showed a history of payment despite the circumstances, that would be compelling evidence of an ability to manage money. A better ability, in fact, than is shown by 95% of the population.

Absolutely.  A history of basic payments. If you can manage that you get a pass. If you don't have an ongoing history of drug and/or alcohol, if there is no evidence of child neglect. You get a pass.

ian wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 9:56pm:

Bam wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 9:28pm: ian wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 9:24pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 9:15pm: ian wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 9:01pm: You dont need to be licensed to fix guttering, get a grip. http://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/ftw/Tradespeople/Home_building_licensing/Licence_classes_and_qualifications/Roof_plumbing.page you do if you want to do work for a body corporate  :D :D You need to read that a bit better, it supports my statement. It quite clearly is a page that sets out the qualifications and licensing for roof plumbers in NSW. How does it support your statement? Johns in QLD. Maybe he forgot.

Ummmm....he lives in NSW.

;D

This time, the loser forgot what lies he's told on OzPol.

juliar wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 9:09pm:

Shorten Socialism - the road to DESPAIR!!!! http://1v1d1e1lmiki1lgcvx32p49h8fe.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/bill-shorten-slumped-getty-740x385.jpg I only open my mouth to change feet!!!!

;D ;D

ian wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 9:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 9:15pm: ian wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 9:01pm: You dont need to be licensed to fix guttering, get a grip. http://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/ftw/Tradespeople/Home_building_licensing/Licence_classes_and_qualifications/Roof_plumbing.page you do if you want to do work for a body corporate  :D :D You need to read that a bit better, it supports my statement.

read it again except this time pull your head out of your arse

ian wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 9:56pm:

Bam wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 9:28pm: ian wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 9:24pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 9:15pm: ian wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 9:01pm: You dont need to be licensed to fix guttering, get a grip. http://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/ftw/Tradespeople/Home_building_licensing/Licence_classes_and_qualifications/Roof_plumbing.page you do if you want to do work for a body corporate  :D :D You need to read that a bit better, it supports my statement. It quite clearly is a page that sets out the qualifications and licensing for roof plumbers in NSW. How does it support your statement? Johns in QLD. Maybe he forgot.

pretty sure I have a better idea where i live than you do.
Does it matter which state I show you regulations for? Each state has it's own version of he same thing.

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 10:28pm:

This time, the loser forgot what lies he's told on OzPol.

perhaps you'd care to put them up?

juliar wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 5:11pm:

This will strike fear into the hearts of the Lefties and Greenies feeding off the Australian taxpayers.

After having read this topic, I've come to the same conclusion.

John Smith wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 11:14pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 10:28pm: This time, the loser forgot what lies he's told on OzPol. perhaps you'd care to put them up?

So you can't see that others have already done this.

Ummmm okkkkkkay  :o :o

John Smith wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 11:14pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 10:28pm: This time, the loser forgot what lies he's told on OzPol. perhaps you'd care to put them up?

  I remember when you two were joined at the hip- besties even, what happened?

Agnes wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 11:36pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 11:14pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 10:28pm: This time, the loser forgot what lies he's told on OzPol. perhaps you'd care to put them up? I remember when you two were joined at the hip- besties even, what happened?

Huh!

I've always loathed this Yahoo multi fraud. And he knows it.

Now I've discovered that others have woken up to him too. Oh well....

Setanta wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 10:27pm:

Bam wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 9:23pm: If the utility bill history showed a history of payment despite the circumstances, that would be compelling evidence of an ability to manage money. A better ability, in fact, than is shown by 95% of the population. Absolutely.  A history of basic payments. If you can manage that you get a pass. If you don't have an ongoing history of drug and/or alcohol, if there is no evidence of child neglect. You get a pass.

Says who? You and Pat Malone?

;D ;D

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 11:42pm:

Agnes wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 11:36pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 11:14pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 10:28pm: This time, the loser forgot what lies he's told on OzPol. perhaps you'd care to put them up? I remember when you two were joined at the hip- besties even, what happened? Huh! I've always loathed this Yahoo multi fraud. And he knows it. Now I've discovered that others have woken up to him too. Oh well....

  No Lisa that is just plain wrong- I remember you two used to troll Ozpol together. Anyway nite.

Bobby. wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 8:00pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 7:28pm: Neferti wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 5:09pm: Bam wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 5:00pm: BigOl64 wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 4:04pm: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 3:53pm: So - where are the jobs? Ask backpackers, they seem to lob into Australia and find employment pretty easy. Employers discriminate heavily against Australian unemployed when hiring, do try to keep up. Exactly! That is why I tell people to "get a job, any job" even it it is below you, if you are "filling in" doing cleaning or whatever, at least you are proving you are WILLING TO WORK ... and will get a better reception at an interview for what you are qualified to do. There is a saying in the Employment circles ... if you are unemployed, you are unemployable.   Believe it. Sad but true. utter horse poo... farmers will employ anyone who is willing to work you get paid for what you do.. as in.. per Bucket of grapes you pick for instance... the more buckets you fill, the more you get paid... if you are a hard worker then you'll get paid well.. if you are an Australian bludging tossa.. you wont get paid much and welfare will seem like a great option as you are a lazy slob.. A little story. A lady at work who runs a body corporate couldn't find anyone to fix the roof guttering on some units. 5 different tradespeople turned the job down - & wouldn't even quote. A 6th one turned up & quoted to fix the whole roof instead  & mostly forgot about the guttering. It seems that many tradespeople people don't want any work.

That is soooo true!

I recently had renovations done to my backyard.

I could not get any Aussies or Euros to do it.

It was all too much and too hard yadda yadda yadda.

I finally got a group of Asians in who were ready, willing and able to do the work straightaway and at half the cost. Oh and they were happy to provide a written quote and an invoice. I wish I could say the same for all the others who came by to look at the job.

John Smith wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 8:59pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 8:00pm: A little story. A lady at work who runs a body corporate couldn't find anyone to fix the roof guttering on some units. 5 different tradespeople turned the job down - & wouldn't even quote. A 6th one turned up & quoted to fix the whole roof instead  & mostly forgot about the guttering. It seems that many tradespeople people don't want any work. In my line of work, I come across that all the time. The problem is not finding someone to do the job, it's finding someone with the correct license and insurance who is willing to do the job. The body corporate, or their insurance, can not accept work from someone who doesn't have both. For the body corporate to accept work from someone who doesn't have both would mean the body corp. would become liable if something went wrong.

The fact is that the work was never done.

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 11:51pm:

That is soooo true! I recently had renovations done to my backyard. I could not get any Aussies or Euros to do it. It was all too much and too hard yadda yadda yadda. I finally got a group of Asians in who were ready, willing and able to do the work straightaway and at half the cost. Oh and they were happy to provide a written quote and an invoice. I wish I could say the same for all the others who came by to look at the job.

Thanks Lisa - it is very true.

Too many people don't want work.

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 11:51pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 8:00pm: President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 7:28pm: Neferti wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 5:09pm: Bam wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 5:00pm: BigOl64 wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 4:04pm: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 3:53pm: So - where are the jobs? Ask backpackers, they seem to lob into Australia and find employment pretty easy. Employers discriminate heavily against Australian unemployed when hiring, do try to keep up. Exactly! That is why I tell people to "get a job, any job" even it it is below you, if you are "filling in" doing cleaning or whatever, at least you are proving you are WILLING TO WORK ... and will get a better reception at an interview for what you are qualified to do. There is a saying in the Employment circles ... if you are unemployed, you are unemployable.   Believe it. Sad but true. utter horse poo... farmers will employ anyone who is willing to work you get paid for what you do.. as in.. per Bucket of grapes you pick for instance... the more buckets you fill, the more you get paid... if you are a hard worker then you'll get paid well.. if you are an Australian bludging tossa.. you wont get paid much and welfare will seem like a great option as you are a lazy slob.. A little story. A lady at work who runs a body corporate couldn't find anyone to fix the roof guttering on some units. 5 different tradespeople turned the job down - & wouldn't even quote. A 6th one turned up & quoted to fix the whole roof instead  & mostly forgot about the guttering. It seems that many tradespeople people don't want any work. That is soooo true! I recently had renovations done to my backyard. I could not get any Aussies or Euros to do it. It was all too much and too hard yadda yadda yadda. I finally got a group of Asians in who were ready, willing and able to do the work straightaway and at half the cost. Oh and they were happy to provide a written quote and an invoice. I wish I could say the same for all the others who came by to look at the job.

Did they bring their own rice balls and fish heads?  Were they licenced and insured?  did they have visas?

Bobby. wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 6:24am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 11:51pm: That is soooo true! I recently had renovations done to my backyard. I could not get any Aussies or Euros to do it. It was all too much and too hard yadda yadda yadda. I finally got a group of Asians in who were ready, willing and able to do the work straightaway and at half the cost. Oh and they were happy to provide a written quote and an invoice. I wish I could say the same for all the others who came by to look at the job. Thanks Lisa - it is very true. Too many people don't want work.

The thing isn't that 'people don't want work' - it is that tradies, like doctors and politicians, nowadays consider themselves above doing the hard work jobs, and only want to do the easy and lucrative work.

Be careful of your choice of words... there are many people out there who would be happy to work given the chance, rather than while away their time in front of reality TV.

Bobby - you should know better than to feed such phrases to the lunatic fringe around here, or to even pay lip service to such nonsense.

Gotta love the 'work for the farmer' - after all the rip-off stories and court cases going on.... some people never leave Dreamland, do they?

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 6:47am:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 6:24am: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 11:51pm: That is soooo true! I recently had renovations done to my backyard. I could not get any Aussies or Euros to do it. It was all too much and too hard yadda yadda yadda. I finally got a group of Asians in who were ready, willing and able to do the work straightaway and at half the cost. Oh and they were happy to provide a written quote and an invoice. I wish I could say the same for all the others who came by to look at the job. Thanks Lisa - it is very true. Too many people don't want work. The thing isn't that 'people don't want work' - it is that tradies, like doctors and politicians, nowadays consider themselves above doing the hard work jobs, and only want to do the easy and lucrative work. Be careful of your choice of words... there are many people out there who would be happy to work given the chance, rather than while away their time in front of reality TV. Bobby - you should know better than to feed such phrases to the lunatic fringe around here, or to even pay lip service to such nonsense. Gotta love the 'work for the farmer' - after all the rip-off stories and court cases going on.... some people never leave Dreamland, do they?

But it's true - try & get some work done on your home
& tell us what happens.

Got us a plumber coming in this week to set up the renovated bathroom.

Told you - tradies are too fat and got it too easy.... no plumber wants to tie himself up for a one-call job that lasts days when he can do a series of tap repairs for little old ladies with arthritic hands for $100 a pop, taking ten minutes each....

Why limit yourself to a hard slog for a couple of days with only one call-out fee when you can cop it sweet every day with the small jobs....?

To get a job done you need, in your situation, to contact a firm and not an individual tradie...... the boss will organise someone to do the job.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 6:47am:

The thing isn't that 'people don't want work' - it is that tradies, like doctors and politicians, nowadays consider themselves above doing the hard work jobs, and only want to do the easy and lucrative work.

Judging by that statement I don't think you know what a tradie does for a living. For the most part it is filthy, sweaty work; that pays damn good money.

Dole bludger, should have no choice if there is work available to them and they say no, fine no fkkken dole until the work is done. They can sit and watch someone else earn the the money and pay the taxes that go to support welfare recipients, just not them.


Long term dole bludgers always have an excuse; fkkk 'em I have run out of patience for bull sh1t excuses

Bobby. wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 8:00pm:

A little story. A lady at work who runs a body corporate couldn't find anyone to fix the roof guttering on some units. 5 different tradespeople turned the job down - & wouldn't even quote. A 6th one turned up & quoted to fix the whole roof instead  & mostly forgot about the guttering. It seems that many tradespeople people don't want any work.

It does seem you can make up stories that perfectly fit your narrative.

It also seem you think everyone is a intellectually deficient as you and will believe the little stories you make up.  ;D ;D ;D


Here is a little fact you might want to use in future, Tradies who don't want to do a particular job, for what ever reason, will write a quote is outrageously high.

Just because you have some little sh1t job that is beyond your technical capabilities doesn't mean every tradie will jump at the chance to do it for you.

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 11:31pm:

juliar wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 5:11pm: This will strike fear into the hearts of the Lefties and Greenies feeding off the Australian taxpayers. After having read this topic, I've come to the same conclusion.

Well, they do say that fools seldom differ...

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 7:25am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 6:47am: The thing isn't that 'people don't want work' - it is that tradies, like doctors and politicians, nowadays consider themselves above doing the hard work jobs, and only want to do the easy and lucrative work. Judging by that statement I don't think you know what a tradie does for a living. For the most part it is filthy, sweaty work; that pays damn good money. Dole bludger, should have no choice if there is work available to them and they say no, fine no fkkken dole until the work is done. They can sit and watch someone else earn the the money and pay the taxes that go to support welfare recipients, just not them. Long term dole bludgers always have an excuse; fkkk 'em I have run out of patience for bull sh1t excuses

But there isn't, is there?

I've posted the figures at LEAST TWICE in this thread alone, as have several others, but you refuse to see them?

Why?

And PLEASE don't come back with bullsh1t like 'there are jobs if you look hard'.

There are NOT.

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 7:37am:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 8:00pm: A little story. A lady at work who runs a body corporate couldn't find anyone to fix the roof guttering on some units. 5 different tradespeople turned the job down - & wouldn't even quote. A 6th one turned up & quoted to fix the whole roof instead  & mostly forgot about the guttering. It seems that many tradespeople people don't want any work. It does seem you can make up stories that perfectly fit your narrative. It also seem you think everyone is a intellectually deficient as you and will believe the little stories you make up.  ;D ;D ;D Here is a little fact you might want to use in future, Tradies who don't want to do a particular job, for what ever reason, will write a quote is outrageously high. Just because you have some little sh1t job that is beyond your technical capabilities doesn't mean every tradie will jump at the chance to do it for you.

.. proving Bobby's point..... and mine ... tradies are too fat and  only want the good and easy work.....

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 11:45pm:

Setanta wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 10:27pm: Bam wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 9:23pm: If the utility bill history showed a history of payment despite the circumstances, that would be compelling evidence of an ability to manage money. A better ability, in fact, than is shown by 95% of the population. Absolutely.  A history of basic payments. If you can manage that you get a pass. If you don't have an ongoing history of drug and/or alcohol, if there is no evidence of child neglect. You get a pass. Says who? You and Pat Malone? ;D ;D

Have you ever gotten any credit without demonstrating an ability to manage money?

For those who persist in thinking there's a job out there if only 'the bludgers' would look.

Jobs to jobless ratio in SA. ABS figures.

Just low much more out-of-touch with the stark reality of the issue do you want to be?

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Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 8:04am:

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 7:37am: Bobby. wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 8:00pm: A little story. A lady at work who runs a body corporate couldn't find anyone to fix the roof guttering on some units. 5 different tradespeople turned the job down - & wouldn't even quote. A 6th one turned up & quoted to fix the whole roof instead  & mostly forgot about the guttering. It seems that many tradespeople people don't want any work. It does seem you can make up stories that perfectly fit your narrative. It also seem you think everyone is a intellectually deficient as you and will believe the little stories you make up.  ;D ;D ;D Here is a little fact you might want to use in future, Tradies who don't want to do a particular job, for what ever reason, will write a quote is outrageously high. Just because you have some little sh1t job that is beyond your technical capabilities doesn't mean every tradie will jump at the chance to do it for you. .. proving Bobby's point..... and mine ... tradies are too fat and  only want the good and easy work.....

Thanks Grappler,
by the way that job wasn't small -
it was to fix the guttering on 10 units.
Big money was ignored becuase tradies didn't want the work.

Kat wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 10:48am:

For those who persist in thinking there's a job out there if only 'the bludgers' would look. Jobs to jobless ratio in SA. ABS figures. Just low much more out-of-touch with the stark reality of the issue do you want to be?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/Jobs_v_Jobless_SA_2.jpg
What's not included in that chart are the number of advertised jobs that are filled by people who already have a job. The job market is like a giant game of musical chairs where only the people in the chairs can hear the music, or a game of whack-a-mole with a huge number of holes.

Kat wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 10:48am:

For those who persist in thinking there's a job out there if only 'the bludgers' would look. Jobs to jobless ratio in SA. ABS figures. Just low much more out-of-touch with the stark reality of the issue do you want to be?

they should all take sprints advice and all start their own lawnmower run  :D :D :D

Bam wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 12:54pm:

Kat wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 10:48am: For those who persist in thinking there's a job out there if only 'the bludgers' would look. Jobs to jobless ratio in SA. ABS figures. Just low much more out-of-touch with the stark reality of the issue do you want to be? http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/Jobs_v_Jobless_SA_2.jpg What's not included in that chart are the number of advertised jobs that are filled by people who already have a job. The job market is like a giant game of musical chairs where only the people in the chairs can hear the music, or a game of whack-a-mole with a huge number of holes.

Hmmmmm, no jobs for Aussies eh?

So in effect what you're BOTH saying is that refugees should not be allowed to come into Oz because they'll only worsen this already dreadful jobless situation. Thank you for clarifying your position.

Kat wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 7:59am:

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 7:25am: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 6:47am: The thing isn't that 'people don't want work' - it is that tradies, like doctors and politicians, nowadays consider themselves above doing the hard work jobs, and only want to do the easy and lucrative work. Judging by that statement I don't think you know what a tradie does for a living. For the most part it is filthy, sweaty work; that pays damn good money. Dole bludger, should have no choice if there is work available to them and they say no, fine no fkkken dole until the work is done. They can sit and watch someone else earn the the money and pay the taxes that go to support welfare recipients, just not them. Long term dole bludgers always have an excuse; fkkk 'em I have run out of patience for bull sh1t excuses But there isn't, is there? I've posted the figures at LEAST TWICE in this thread alone, as have several others, but you refuse to see them? Why? And PLEASE don't come back with bullsh1t like 'there are jobs if you look hard'. There are NOT.

In which case, refugees trying to get into Oz, will only worsen the above atrocious situation for you.

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 1:00pm:

Bam wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 12:54pm: Kat wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 10:48am: For those who persist in thinking there's a job out there if only 'the bludgers' would look. Jobs to jobless ratio in SA. ABS figures. Just low much more out-of-touch with the stark reality of the issue do you want to be? http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/Jobs_v_Jobless_SA_2.jpg What's not included in that chart are the number of advertised jobs that are filled by people who already have a job. The job market is like a giant game of musical chairs where only the people in the chairs can hear the music, or a game of whack-a-mole with a huge number of holes. Hmmmmm, no jobs for Aussies eh? So in effect what you're BOTH saying is that refugees should not be allowed to come into Oz because they'll only worsen this already dreadful jobless situation. Thank you for clarifying your position.

I have said nothing about refugees and it is a puerile strawman to pretend that I did. Grow up.

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 1:04pm:

Kat wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 7:59am: BigOl64 wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 7:25am: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 6:47am: The thing isn't that 'people don't want work' - it is that tradies, like doctors and politicians, nowadays consider themselves above doing the hard work jobs, and only want to do the easy and lucrative work. Judging by that statement I don't think you know what a tradie does for a living. For the most part it is filthy, sweaty work; that pays damn good money. Dole bludger, should have no choice if there is work available to them and they say no, fine no fkkken dole until the work is done. They can sit and watch someone else earn the the money and pay the taxes that go to support welfare recipients, just not them. Long term dole bludgers always have an excuse; fkkk 'em I have run out of patience for bull sh1t excuses But there isn't, is there? I've posted the figures at LEAST TWICE in this thread alone, as have several others, but you refuse to see them? Why? And PLEASE don't come back with bullsh1t like 'there are jobs if you look hard'. There are NOT. In which case, refugees trying to get into Oz, will only worsen the above atrocious situation for you.

Nothing to say about 457 visas taking Australian jobs? Nothing at all?

Bam wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 1:06pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 1:00pm: Bam wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 12:54pm: Kat wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 10:48am: For those who persist in thinking there's a job out there if only 'the bludgers' would look. Jobs to jobless ratio in SA. ABS figures. Just low much more out-of-touch with the stark reality of the issue do you want to be? http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/Jobs_v_Jobless_SA_2.jpg What's not included in that chart are the number of advertised jobs that are filled by people who already have a job. The job market is like a giant game of musical chairs where only the people in the chairs can hear the music, or a game of whack-a-mole with a huge number of holes. Hmmmmm, no jobs for Aussies eh? So in effect what you're BOTH saying is that refugees should not be allowed to come into Oz because they'll only worsen this already dreadful jobless situation. Thank you for clarifying your position. I have said nothing about refugees...

Well you should have.

You can't have it both ways.

If there is currently a dreadful situation where Aussies themselves can't find work because the jobs are simply not there, then there'll be no work for refugees trying to get into Oz either.

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 1:13pm:

Well you should have. You can't have it both ways.

why not?

Bam wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 1:07pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 1:04pm: Kat wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 7:59am: BigOl64 wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 7:25am: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 6:47am: The thing isn't that 'people don't want work' - it is that tradies, like doctors and politicians, nowadays consider themselves above doing the hard work jobs, and only want to do the easy and lucrative work. Judging by that statement I don't think you know what a tradie does for a living. For the most part it is filthy, sweaty work; that pays damn good money. Dole bludger, should have no choice if there is work available to them and they say no, fine no fkkken dole until the work is done. They can sit and watch someone else earn the the money and pay the taxes that go to support welfare recipients, just not them. Long term dole bludgers always have an excuse; fkkk 'em I have run out of patience for bull sh1t excuses But there isn't, is there? I've posted the figures at LEAST TWICE in this thread alone, as have several others, but you refuse to see them? Why? And PLEASE don't come back with bullsh1t like 'there are jobs if you look hard'. There are NOT. In which case, refugees trying to get into Oz, will only worsen the above atrocious situation for you. Nothing to say about 457 visas taking Australian jobs? Nothing at all?

You've mentioned it. Good!

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 1:13pm:

Bam wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 1:06pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 1:00pm: Bam wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 12:54pm: Kat wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 10:48am: For those who persist in thinking there's a job out there if only 'the bludgers' would look. Jobs to jobless ratio in SA. ABS figures. Just low much more out-of-touch with the stark reality of the issue do you want to be? http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/Jobs_v_Jobless_SA_2.jpg What's not included in that chart are the number of advertised jobs that are filled by people who already have a job. The job market is like a giant game of musical chairs where only the people in the chairs can hear the music, or a game of whack-a-mole with a huge number of holes. Hmmmmm, no jobs for Aussies eh? So in effect what you're BOTH saying is that refugees should not be allowed to come into Oz because they'll only worsen this already dreadful jobless situation. Thank you for clarifying your position. I have said nothing about refugees... Well you should have. Why? You can't have it both ways. If there is currently a dreadful situation where Aussies themselves can't find work because the jobs are simply not there, then there'll be no work for refugees trying to get into Oz either.

Tell the WHOLE story in future.

Not just the bits which you find convenient.

Kat wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 7:59am:

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 7:25am: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 6:47am: The thing isn't that 'people don't want work' - it is that tradies, like doctors and politicians, nowadays consider themselves above doing the hard work jobs, and only want to do the easy and lucrative work. Judging by that statement I don't think you know what a tradie does for a living. For the most part it is filthy, sweaty work; that pays damn good money. Dole bludger, should have no choice if there is work available to them and they say no, fine no fkkken dole until the work is done. They can sit and watch someone else earn the the money and pay the taxes that go to support welfare recipients, just not them. Long term dole bludgers always have an excuse; fkkk 'em I have run out of patience for bull sh1t excuses But there isn't, is there? I've posted the figures at LEAST TWICE in this thread alone, as have several others, but you refuse to see them? Why? And PLEASE don't come back with bullsh1t like 'there are jobs if you look hard'. There are NOT.

How about you post some current unemployment rate figures.

Then come back and tell us how bad they are.

The problem for you is that they're not bad.