Wrong call I reckon. 

They should have tried a tranquilizer fist while having it covered with a rifle.

They should also chuck the parents in with the lions for being such idiots.

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/animals/us-zoo-shoots-dead-gorilla-to-save-boy-20160528-gp6dzc.html

Yeah, but it was a captive gorilla, so was pretty much dead inside already.

Vision.

Link.

Aussie wrote on May 29^th, 2016 at 2:57pm:

Vision. Link.

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and only a few days after they shot two lions after some dickhead decided he wanted to commit suicide by lion.

seriously, why shoot the lions? the guy deserved to be pet food.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/05/22/americas/chile-zoo-lions-naked-suicide-trnd/

I think lion's can get a 'taste' for human flesh. Not what you want in any lion, wild or tame. I don't think they are as endangered as gorillas.

freediver wrote on May 29^th, 2016 at 3:51pm:

I think lion's can get a 'taste' for human flesh. Not what you want in any lion, wild or tame. I don't think they are as endangered as gorillas.

I see.  So we only ever need to worry about a lion who has tasted human before.  Those who haven't we can safely pet and play with.  I get it now.

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He said the gorilla didn't appear to be attacking the child, but he said it was "an extremely strong" animal in an agitated situation. He said tranquilising the gorilla wouldn't have knocked it out immediately, leaving the boy in danger.

Still a terrible decision to have to make for the guy who shot him.

freediver wrote on May 29^th, 2016 at 3:51pm:

I think lion's can get a 'taste' for human flesh. Not what you want in any lion, wild or tame. I don't think they are as endangered as gorillas.

Getting a taste might be an issue out in the wilds of Africa where a lion wit the taste might start to terrorise villages in pursuit of that taste, but in a Zoo? It's not like their keepers get in and play with them at the best of times.

Imagine the sh.t the guy would have been in if the child got hurt or killed and he didn't take this action.

We currently value a human life over any other organism. Until that changes, the right thing was done even though I bet if they did something different the kid would have been OK.

The decision was based on the risk.

I too would want to know where were the parents...??? a 3 yr old climb into a animal compound....hardly...

it is a cruel end for the gorilla... but under the circumstances they had to make an instant decision that could have been bad either way....a tranquilizer just doesnt work instantly and could have had even worse consequences...

sadly there is no right or wrong way to deal with this type of thing..

cods wrote on May 29^th, 2016 at 4:09pm:

I too would want to know where were the parents...??? a 3 yr old climb into a animal compound....hardly... it is a cruel end for the gorilla... but under the circumstances they had to make an instant decision that could have been bad either way....a tranquilizer just doesnt work instantly and could have had even worse consequences... sadly there is no right or wrong way to deal with this type of thing..

I think there is.  Zoos ought ensure this sort of event can never happen.  We have to fence pools to make them allegedly kid proof.

Aussie wrote on May 29^th, 2016 at 4:32pm:

cods wrote on May 29th, 2016 at 4:09pm: I too would want to know where were the parents...??? a 3 yr old climb into a animal compound....hardly... it is a cruel end for the gorilla... but under the circumstances they had to make an instant decision that could have been bad either way....a tranquilizer just doesnt work instantly and could have had even worse consequences... sadly there is no right or wrong way to deal with this type of thing.. I think there is.  Zoos ought ensure this sort of event can never happen.  We have to fence pools to make them allegedly kid proof.

well when you invent such a thing you will make a fortune.........when science can prevent stoooooopid parenting.. let us know.

cods wrote on May 29^th, 2016 at 4:55pm:

Aussie wrote on May 29th, 2016 at 4:32pm: cods wrote on May 29th, 2016 at 4:09pm: I too would want to know where were the parents...??? a 3 yr old climb into a animal compound....hardly... it is a cruel end for the gorilla... but under the circumstances they had to make an instant decision that could have been bad either way....a tranquilizer just doesnt work instantly and could have had even worse consequences... sadly there is no right or wrong way to deal with this type of thing.. I think there is.  Zoos ought ensure this sort of event can never happen.  We have to fence pools to make them allegedly kid proof. well when you invent such a thing you will make a fortune.........when science can prevent stoooooopid parenting.. let us know.

How did this kid manage to get into that position, cods?  You want to blame the parents alone.  I want to blame the Zoo for failing to ensure a kid cannot breach the enclosure.

I doubt the kid just wandered in Aussie.

freediver wrote on May 29^th, 2016 at 5:21pm:

I doubt the kid just wandered in Aussie.

Well....we don't know, do we.  But it is res ipsa loquitur that the Zoo was negligent ~ self evident.  The kid got in.

freediver wrote on May 29^th, 2016 at 5:21pm:

I doubt the kid just wandered in Aussie.

if aussie has his way and to prove he is never wrong..

yes he did...not only that he climbed the wall that the Zoo would have around the compound  usually to keep said animals IN.. not stooooopid ones out...

of course aussie wil blame the zoo... he would of course blame the gorilla is he was alive and the boy dead.. ::) ::) ::)

cods wrote on May 29^th, 2016 at 7:13pm:

freediver wrote on May 29th, 2016 at 5:21pm: I doubt the kid just wandered in Aussie. if aussie has his way and to prove he is never wrong.. yes he did...not only that he climbed the wall that the Zoo would have around the compound  usually to keep said animals IN.. not stooooopid ones out... of course aussie wil blame the zoo... he would of course blame the gorilla is he was alive and the boy dead.. ::) ::) ::)

He just wants to prove the zoo was culpable so in his imagination he can stick his hand out and collect a % of the damages.  ;D

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The decision was not made lightly. Lowland gorillas are very endangered animals, there aren't very many in captivity. But it has the proper ending."

this would have been  a heart breaking decision to make.....that animal looks wonderful...the child should never have been in a position that caused him to fall ... what if there had not been any water there....??????..

the parents took a 4 yr old bou to the Zoo.. you either hang on to them or never take your eyes off them....they are so quick I knew a child years ago who had the tip of her finger bitten off by a monkey at Taronga.... she got under the barricade before her mum could move she poked her finger in the cage....


its a huge learning curve how quick children are.....

in this case the animal lost his life.

cods wrote on May 29^th, 2016 at 7:13pm:

freediver wrote on May 29th, 2016 at 5:21pm: I doubt the kid just wandered in Aussie. if aussie has his way and to prove he is never wrong.. yes he did...not only that he climbed the wall that the Zoo would have around the compound  usually to keep said animals IN.. not stooooopid ones out... of course aussie wil blame the zoo... he would of course blame the gorilla is he was alive and the boy dead.. ::) ::) ::)

If a four year old can get in....the negligence on the part of the Zoo is self evident.

Further, if a four year can get in, why couldn't the gorilla get out...if he wanted to...using the same method (whatever that was.)

GordyL wrote on May 29^th, 2016 at 7:19pm:

cods wrote on May 29th, 2016 at 7:13pm: freediver wrote on May 29th, 2016 at 5:21pm: I doubt the kid just wandered in Aussie. if aussie has his way and to prove he is never wrong.. yes he did...not only that he climbed the wall that the Zoo would have around the compound  usually to keep said animals IN.. not stooooopid ones out... of course aussie wil blame the zoo... he would of course blame the gorilla is he was alive and the boy dead.. ::) ::) ::) He just wants to prove the zoo was culpable so in his imagination he can stick his hand out and collect a % of the damages.  ;D

no he cant bare to be wrong....


in this case he even suggests  its possible the boy wandered into the Zoo alone....therefore the Zoo is to blame..

No cods, from the link above:


Quote:

"A young boy crawled through a barrier at the gorilla centre and through some bushes and fell into the moat,"

How could he possibly do that unless the Zoo failed to ensure he could not?

Aussie still thinks the 4 year old jumped the fence.

Aussie wrote on May 29^th, 2016 at 7:22pm:

cods wrote on May 29th, 2016 at 7:13pm: freediver wrote on May 29th, 2016 at 5:21pm: I doubt the kid just wandered in Aussie. if aussie has his way and to prove he is never wrong.. yes he did...not only that he climbed the wall that the Zoo would have around the compound  usually to keep said animals IN.. not stooooopid ones out... of course aussie wil blame the zoo... he would of course blame the gorilla is he was alive and the boy dead.. ::) ::) ::) If a four year old can get in....the negligence on the part of the Zoo is self evident. Further, if a four year can get in, why couldn't the gorilla get out...if he wanted to...using the same method (whatever that was.)

Are you functionally retarded? If there was a 1 meter high wall on the viewers side you could have a 5 meter drop to the animal. I can jump a meters but a gorilla can't jump 5

you will now see aussie dipping into the realms of science fiction to make a point.....

why couldnt the animal get out..

did you happen to compare the size of the child and the animal by any chance.???...

the child was in a place he should never have been... whos responsibility was that>>>>,,,

dont tell me the Zoo was responsible  for the boys whereabouts...

have you ever seen a child with his head stuck in a aplace no one ever thought possible... ::) ::) ::) ::)

what about those tiny fingers they get up to all sorts...

we cannot take our eyes off them at certain ages.....

cods wrote on May 29^th, 2016 at 7:23pm:

GordyL wrote on May 29th, 2016 at 7:19pm: cods wrote on May 29th, 2016 at 7:13pm: freediver wrote on May 29th, 2016 at 5:21pm: I doubt the kid just wandered in Aussie. if aussie has his way and to prove he is never wrong.. yes he did...not only that he climbed the wall that the Zoo would have around the compound  usually to keep said animals IN.. not stooooopid ones out... of course aussie wil blame the zoo... he would of course blame the gorilla is he was alive and the boy dead.. ::) ::) ::) He just wants to prove the zoo was culpable so in his imagination he can stick his hand out and collect a % of the damages.  ;D no he cant bare to be wrong....

Like my photo and the hovercar lol

Aussie wrote on May 29^th, 2016 at 7:25pm:

No cods, from the link above: Quote: "A young boy crawled through a barrier at the gorilla centre and through some bushes and fell into the moat," How could he possibly do that unless the Zoo failed to ensure he could not?

::) ::) ::) ::)

I believe it was the parents job to ensure he didnt do any such thing...

they knew I am almost sure they were at the gorilla compound.... ::) ::) ::)


he fell as has been pointed out to you....5 meters...

what were his parents doing did you ask???....it would have taken him a few minutes to get where he got I would think...

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he fell as has been pointed out to you....5 meters...

Read what was posted again cods.


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what were his parents doing did you ask???....it would have taken him a few minutes to get where he got I would think...

Don't know cods.  My point is that the Zoo has a duty of care to ensure this could not happen.  Yet it did......res ipsa loquitur.

My suggestion is cods just give Aussie the three word reply

"Fugg Orf Aussie"

Followed by

"We dont give a crap on what your opinions are"

"You are a boring dickhead!"

Redmond Neck wrote on May 29^th, 2016 at 7:41pm:

My suggestion is cods just give Aussie the three word reply "Fugg Orf Aussie" Followed by "We dont give a crap on what your opinions are" "You are a boring dickhead!"

I have not expressed a concluded opinion.  I've asked questions I thought might help cods understand that the Zoo has a duty of care, which it breached.

Aussie wrote on May 29^th, 2016 at 7:47pm:

Redmond Neck wrote on May 29th, 2016 at 7:41pm: My suggestion is cods just give Aussie the three word reply "Fugg Orf Aussie" Followed by "We dont give a crap on what your opinions are" "You are a boring dickhead!" I have not expressed a concluded opinion.  I've asked questions I thought might help cods understand that the Zoo has a duty of care, which it breached.

At times you bore us shitless Aussie with your ex lawyers opinions this is another of them sorry to say!

It would be easy to just walk away from a situation where people are advocating in ignorance of the Law.  I'm trying to give cods a hand here.

freediver wrote on May 29^th, 2016 at 3:51pm:

I think lion's can get a 'taste' for human flesh.

They sure can.

A pride of lions specialised in human meat on the border with South Africa where Africans from the northern countries used to sneak across to find work in the mines.

Aussie wrote on May 29^th, 2016 at 7:33pm:

Don't know cods.  My point is that the Zoo has a duty of care to ensure this could not happen.  Yet it did......res ipsa loquitur.

Exactly.

The parents should sue the tits off the people who are in charge of the zoo. It's inexcusable that a gap was there for a kid to crawl through.

Just like circuses that always seem to have a shady and shonky feel about them that smells of animal cruelty and brutality - zoos are also sad places where animals are stuck in a hellish limbo for decades with nothing but concrete around them.

I stopped visitting Sydney's Taronga Park zoo a long time ago as a protest against the appalling conditions those poor bloody animals have to suffer in their concrete pens.

It's a disgusting trade in misery.

Redmond Neck wrote on May 29^th, 2016 at 7:51pm:

Aussie wrote on May 29th, 2016 at 7:47pm: Redmond Neck wrote on May 29th, 2016 at 7:41pm: My suggestion is cods just give Aussie the three word reply "Fugg Orf Aussie" Followed by "We dont give a crap on what your opinions are" "You are a boring dickhead!" I have not expressed a concluded opinion.  I've asked questions I thought might help cods understand that the Zoo has a duty of care, which it breached. At times you bore us shitless Aussie with your ex lawyers opinions this is another of them sorry to say!

EDIT:

The toddler is believed to have crawled through a public barrier into the Gorilla World enclosure at Cincinnati Zoo & Botanical Garden on Saturday afternoon, and tumbled into the exhibit's moat.

Now I agree with aussie on this one.

A zoo is a place of curiosity, otherwise no tickets would be sold.

The onus is on the zoo management to ensure that this curiosity is restrained by barriers of the sort that are fool-proof.

And you can't legislate for idiots

suing for your own negligence is a typical yank thing

& it's pathetic to think we are going down the same path

the parents own some responsibility here.

Gnads wrote on May 29^th, 2016 at 8:41pm:

And you can't legislate for idiots suing for your own negligence is a typical yank thing & it's pathetic to think we are going down the same path the parents own some responsibility here.

Sure.....but you should be able to take your toddler to a Zoo confident that the Zoo has put in place whatever is required which prevents toddler and dangerous animal coming into perilous contact......if you turn your back on the bugger for a nano second, or even longer.  It ought be a very safe place for its market which includes toddlers.

I think if the child did "crawled through a public barrier into the Gorilla World enclosure " then the zoo has a case to answer.

Redmond Neck wrote on May 29^th, 2016 at 7:41pm:

My suggestion is cods just give Aussie the three word reply "Fugg Orf Aussie" Followed by "We dont give a crap on what your opinions are" "You are a boring dickhead!"

Let us pray Redneck feels better after he sobers up.

Super Nova wrote on May 29^th, 2016 at 8:46pm:

I think if the child did "crawled through a public barrier into the Gorilla World enclosure " then the zoo has a case to answer.

This whole discussion is based on schmedia reports which include that.  If the parents tossed the kid into the moat.....different story, but they did not.  The kid got in there.

Res ipsa loquitur.

(You should know that Latin very well Super Nova.  It used to be my signature at PA for more than a decade.)

This one does speaks for itself if the report I quoted is true.

Gnads wrote on May 29^th, 2016 at 8:41pm:

And you can't legislate for idiots

True.

But there is already legislation in place that forces zoos to construct safety barriers of a very high standard in order to qualify for their business licence.

Same with petrol stations. 

Same with Alpine ski lifts.

Aussie wrote on May 29^th, 2016 at 8:51pm:

Super Nova wrote on May 29th, 2016 at 8:46pm: I think if the child did "crawled through a public barrier into the Gorilla World enclosure " then the zoo has a case to answer. This whole discussion is based on schmedia reports which include that.  If the parents tossed the kid into the moat.....different story, but they did not.  The kid got in there. Res ipsa loquitur. (You should know that Latin very well Super Nova.  It used to be my signature at PA for more than a decade.)

Lolz....from Latin to Gordy.  Bahahahaha

Aussie wrote on May 29^th, 2016 at 8:51pm:

Super Nova wrote on May 29th, 2016 at 8:46pm: I think if the child did "crawled through a public barrier into the Gorilla World enclosure " then the zoo has a case to answer. This whole discussion is based on schmedia reports which include that.  If the parents tossed the kid into the moat.....different story, but they did not.  The kid got in there. Res ipsa loquitur. (You should know that Latin very well Super Nova.  It used to be my signature at PA for more than a decade.)

Precisely.

Caveat venditor. The onus is on the management to ensure the safety of their customers.

(Caveat venditor is Latin for "let the seller beware." It is a counter to caveat emptor and suggests that sellers can also be deceived in a market transaction. This forces the seller to take responsibility for the product and discourages sellers from selling products of unreasonable quality).

The fencing was of unreasonable quality - as demonstrated by the kid have no difficulty in breaching this shonky 'safety barrier'.

Heads should roll.

blacklivesmatter

Aussie wrote on May 29^th, 2016 at 8:03pm:

It would be easy to just walk away from a situation where people are advocating in ignorance of the Law.  I'm trying to give cods a hand here.

and the parenting has no responsibility    typical of someone who can see money in it..

I get it I really do.....how does anyone know the fencing wasnt damaged by vandals

the child fell 5 meters....doesnt the parent have any responsibility for their child once they enter a ZOO...

where does the LAW stand on parents doing their job?????????>..

Well I'd like to see just where this child accessed the enclosure ...

and also ask why hasn't it happened before?

WH&S has been watered down for workers by self regulation........

wherein Risk Assessments are done ... and certain criteria met ....

and all situations have a point where outcomes are considered an acceptable risk.

cods wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 8:34am:

Aussie wrote on May 29th, 2016 at 8:03pm: It would be easy to just walk away from a situation where people are advocating in ignorance of the Law.  I'm trying to give cods a hand here. and the parenting has no responsibility    typical of someone who can see money in it.. I get it I really do.....how does anyone know the fencing wasnt damaged by vandals the child fell 5 meters....doesnt the parent have any responsibility for their child once they enter a ZOO... where does the LAW stand on parents doing their job?????????>..

We don't know how far the child fell, cods.  That distance was plucked out of the air by way of hypothesis by a Poster here.  I also have no idea where the parents were or what they were doing.  We do know the kid got through a barrier and the Zoo has a positive duty of care to ensure such an event cannot happen.

Aussie wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 8:52am:

cods wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 8:34am: Aussie wrote on May 29th, 2016 at 8:03pm: It would be easy to just walk away from a situation where people are advocating in ignorance of the Law.  I'm trying to give cods a hand here. and the parenting has no responsibility    typical of someone who can see money in it.. I get it I really do.....how does anyone know the fencing wasnt damaged by vandals the child fell 5 meters....doesnt the parent have any responsibility for their child once they enter a ZOO... where does the LAW stand on parents doing their job?????????>.. We don't know how far the child fell, cods.  That distance was plucked out of the air by way of hypothesis by a Poster here.  I also have no idea where the parents were or what they were doing.  We do know the kid got through a barrier and the Zoo has a positive duty of care to ensure such an event cannot happen.

well take a look at your link...it might give you some idea....they are lucky that boy is alive

maybe we should have barricades up and down our highways to prevent kids running into the road...like they do......

Just watched an interview with the Zoo spokesman. Seems the gorilla couldn't be tranquilised because it would take too long to act and he would be pissed off in the meantime. 

Duty of care cuts both ways here. The zoo should ensure that no one can access the animals, however a determined adult or curious child will always find a way around this.  Parents are ultimately responsible for their children.

cods wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 8:58am:

Aussie wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 8:52am: cods wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 8:34am: Aussie wrote on May 29th, 2016 at 8:03pm: It would be easy to just walk away from a situation where people are advocating in ignorance of the Law.  I'm trying to give cods a hand here. and the parenting has no responsibility    typical of someone who can see money in it.. I get it I really do.....how does anyone know the fencing wasnt damaged by vandals the child fell 5 meters....doesnt the parent have any responsibility for their child once they enter a ZOO... where does the LAW stand on parents doing their job?????????>.. We don't know how far the child fell, cods.  That distance was plucked out of the air by way of hypothesis by a Poster here.  I also have no idea where the parents were or what they were doing.  We do know the kid got through a barrier and the Zoo has a positive duty of care to ensure such an event cannot happen. well take a look at your link...it might give you some idea........

I wouldn't rely on the link too much.

For example, it says : "four-year-old boy falls into the enclosure holding a mountain gorilla at Cincinnati Zoo", followed immediately by "A 180 kilogram male gorilla in a US zoo has been shot dead after grabbing a three-year-old boy who fell into the ape exhibit moat."

They seem to be guessing at the distance he fell too:

"Authorities said the boy, who fell three to four metres".

The Link

Aussie wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 8:52am:

cods wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 8:34am: Aussie wrote on May 29th, 2016 at 8:03pm: It would be easy to just walk away from a situation where people are advocating in ignorance of the Law.  I'm trying to give cods a hand here. and the parenting has no responsibility    typical of someone who can see money in it.. I get it I really do.....how does anyone know the fencing wasnt damaged by vandals the child fell 5 meters....doesnt the parent have any responsibility for their child once they enter a ZOO... where does the LAW stand on parents doing their job?????????>.. We don't know how far the child fell, cods.  That distance was plucked out of the air by way of hypothesis by a Poster here.

That was my reply to your comment that if the boy could get in the gorilla could get out.

ROLF. Are you really that thick Mr Taxi driver?

greggerypeccary wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 9:31am:

cods wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 8:58am: Aussie wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 8:52am: cods wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 8:34am: Aussie wrote on May 29th, 2016 at 8:03pm: It would be easy to just walk away from a situation where people are advocating in ignorance of the Law.  I'm trying to give cods a hand here. and the parenting has no responsibility    typical of someone who can see money in it.. I get it I really do.....how does anyone know the fencing wasnt damaged by vandals the child fell 5 meters....doesnt the parent have any responsibility for their child once they enter a ZOO... where does the LAW stand on parents doing their job?????????>.. We don't know how far the child fell, cods.  That distance was plucked out of the air by way of hypothesis by a Poster here.  I also have no idea where the parents were or what they were doing.  We do know the kid got through a barrier and the Zoo has a positive duty of care to ensure such an event cannot happen. well take a look at your link...it might give you some idea........ I wouldn't rely on the link too much. For example, it says : "four-year-old boy falls into the enclosure holding a mountain gorilla at Cincinnati Zoo", followed immediately by "A 180 kilogram male gorilla in a US zoo has been shot dead after grabbing a three-year-old boy who fell into the ape exhibit moat." They seem to be guessing at the distance he fell too: "Authorities said the boy, who fell three to four metres". The Link

gweg look at aussies link LOOK AT THE PICS...

it looks like more than 3 meters.. if they had not built a moat around the compound that boy would be dead...


no one is saying the ZOO wont be held accountable.  of course they will be its the good old American way..

what I am saying is where were the parents???...where does their responsibility end at the gates of the zoo apparently...

Belgarion wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 9:20am:

Just watched an interview with the Zoo spokesman. Seems the gorilla couldn't be tranquilised because it would take too long to act and he would be pissed off in the meantime.  Duty of care cuts both ways here. The zoo should ensure that no one can access the animals, however a determined adult or curious child will always find a way around this.  Parents are ultimately responsible for their children.

at last commonsense....

but the law says otherwise.... ::) ::)

and if its written into law... then some folks think its written in stone...and therefore is ??? well never to be challenged...

duty of care?????.....hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Thousands of people have already signed a petition condemning the killing of the gorilla. Witnesses say the gorilla was protecting the child.

AiA wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 9:57am:

Thousands of people have already signed a petition condemning the killing of the gorilla. Witnesses say the gorilla was protecting the child.

yes we know AiA its very sad....but at the end of the day he was still a wild animal...to sedate would take too long...its a cruel world.. thats why I say the parents have to be held accountable...not just the zoo.......

signing a petition wont bring him back....

and as someone keeps pointing out the zoo has a duty of care.... they did what they did  not because they wanted too.... remember........ it would have been heartbreaking.

AiA wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 9:57am:

Thousands of people have already signed a petition condemning the killing of the gorilla.

In the hope of achieving what, exactly?

greggerypeccary wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 10:05am:

AiA wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 9:57am: Thousands of people have already signed a petition condemning the killing of the gorilla.  In the hope of achieving what, exactly?

a resurrection?

AiA wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 10:09am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 10:05am: AiA wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 9:57am: Thousands of people have already signed a petition condemning the killing of the gorilla.  In the hope of achieving what, exactly? a resurrection?

wow can anyone attend?....Id like to see that.

cods wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 10:10am:

AiA wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 10:09am: greggerypeccary wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 10:05am: AiA wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 9:57am: Thousands of people have already signed a petition condemning the killing of the gorilla.  In the hope of achieving what, exactly? a resurrection? wow can anyone attend?....Id like to see that.

Monkey Jesus and the twelve chimpanze apostles will all be there.

AiA wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 10:12am:

cods wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 10:10am: AiA wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 10:09am: greggerypeccary wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 10:05am: AiA wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 9:57am: Thousands of people have already signed a petition condemning the killing of the gorilla.  In the hope of achieving what, exactly? a resurrection? wow can anyone attend?....Id like to see that. Monkey Jesus and the twelve chimpanze apostles will all be there.

ahhh..

now your pulling my leg..

Not at all. His mother was was impregnated by a banana

AiA wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 10:09am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 10:05am: AiA wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 9:57am: Thousands of people have already signed a petition condemning the killing of the gorilla.  In the hope of achieving what, exactly? a resurrection?

Found it:

"The killing of a Cincinnati Zoo gorilla after a child fell into its enclosure has sparked outrage online with thousands of people signing petitions calling for the child’s parents to be investigated."

“We the undersigned believe that the child would not have been able to enter the enclosure under proper parental supervision,” the petition reads.

“It is believed that the situation was caused by parental negligence,” it adds, before calling for “the parents to be held accountable for the lack of supervision and negligence that caused Harambe to lose his life.”

Link

Belgarion wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 9:20am:

Just watched an interview with the Zoo spokesman. Seems the gorilla couldn't be tranquilised because it would take too long to act and he would be pissed off in the meantime.  Duty of care cuts both ways here. The zoo should ensure that no one can access the animals, however a determined adult or curious child will always find a way around this.  Parents are ultimately responsible for their children.

Welcome, Belgarion! I for one have missed your excellence contributions as demonstrated at D&R.

greggerypeccary wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 10:28am:

AiA wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 10:09am: greggerypeccary wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 10:05am: AiA wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 9:57am: Thousands of people have already signed a petition condemning the killing of the gorilla.  In the hope of achieving what, exactly? a resurrection? Found it: "The killing of a Cincinnati Zoo gorilla after a child fell into its enclosure has sparked outrage online with thousands of people signing petitions calling for the child’s parents to be investigated." “We the undersigned believe that the child would not have been able to enter the enclosure under proper parental supervision,” the petition reads. “It is believed that the situation was caused by parental negligence,” it adds, before calling for “the parents to be held accountable for the lack of supervision and negligence that caused Harambe to lose his life.” Link

I'm sure everyone will be asking the parents what happened, but that does not take away that duty of care the Zoo has.

greggerypeccary wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 10:28am:

AiA wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 10:09am: greggerypeccary wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 10:05am: AiA wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 9:57am: Thousands of people have already signed a petition condemning the killing of the gorilla.  In the hope of achieving what, exactly? a resurrection? Found it: "The killing of a Cincinnati Zoo gorilla after a child fell into its enclosure has sparked outrage online with thousands of people signing petitions calling for the child’s parents to be investigated." “We the undersigned believe that the child would not have been able to enter the enclosure under proper parental supervision,” the petition reads. “It is believed that the situation was caused by parental negligence,” it adds, before calling for “the parents to be held accountable for the lack of supervision and negligence that caused Harambe to lose his life.” Link

well at least thousands agree with me.. :P :P

Aussie wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 11:14am:

I'm sure everyone will be asking the parents what happened, but that does not take away that duty of care the Zoo has.

Precisely.

Compensation lawyer for the kid's parents.

"Your Honour, there was a breach in the safety fence. It was not secure against penetration and had not undergone inspection and repair as stipulated as part of the condition for the issuing of a licence for the zoo to operate as a business enterprise.

$3 million is being sought by the plaintiffs against the Management for culpable negligence causing distress, depression, panic attacks, erectile dysfunction, flash backs, tension headaches, and the consequent development of agoraphobia".

8-)

Lord Herbert wrote on May 29^th, 2016 at 8:28pm:

A zoo is a place of curiosity, otherwise no tickets would be sold. The onus is on the zoo management to ensure that this curiosity is restrained by barriers of the sort that are fool-proof.

Exactly!

Lord Herbert wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 11:39am:

Aussie wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 11:14am: I'm sure everyone will be asking the parents what happened, but that does not take away that duty of care the Zoo has. Precisely. Compensation lawyer for the kid's parents. "Your Honour, there was a breach in the safety fence. It was not secure against penetration and had not undergone inspection and repair as stipulated as part of the condition for the issuing of a licence for the zoo to operate as a business enterprise. $3 million is being sought by the plaintiffs against the Management for culpable negligence causing distress, depression, panic attacks, erectile dysfunction, flash backs, tension headaches, and the consequent development of agoraphobia". 8-)

its acrophobia herb...a fear of height......or a vertigo attack...

I look at that animal and it is so sad he had to die..  :'( :'(sue the bloody parents for letting their feral kid loose in  a public place...

The onus is on the zoo management to ensure that this curiosity is restrained by barriers of the sort that are fool-proof.


electric current....barbed wire....embeded glass maybe...

its all been tried not sure it works 100%...

how about guards at every cage with spears baited with deadly poison??..

If they are unable to provide 100% protection for the visitors at a Zoo irrespective of their age or size, they should not be open. The onus is on the Zoo management to ensure this is the case.

Silly quips about security guards on each enclosure, or electric fences, are just that.. silly

The child looked negroid, it probably could have climbed over anything and the gorilla may have thought it was a nephew.

Dustwun wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 11:52am:

The child looked negroid, it probably could have climbed over anything and the gorilla may have thought it was a nephew.

;D ;D ;D

Oh Christ, what am I laughing at?  :-[How could you say such a thing?

Lord Herbert wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 12:01pm:

Dustwun wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 11:52am: The child looked negroid, it probably could have climbed over anything and the gorilla may have thought it was a nephew. ;D ;D ;D Oh Christ, what am I laughing at?  :-[How could you say such a thing?

I knew Michael Jackson had come back......

cods wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 11:47am:

its acrophobia herb...a fear of height......or a vertigo attack... I look at that animal and it is so sad he had to die..  :'( :'(sue the bloody parents for letting their feral kid loose in  a public place...

The zoo - and ALL other concrete-type zoos should be banned and those poor bloody animals released into a fenced-off countryside somewhere.

I remember during my last visit to Taronga Park zoo in Sydney - standing in front of the concrete cell where this enormous gorilla was sitting there disconsolately contemplating the cruel and unforgivable circumstance he was confined to for the rest of his life.

His eyes met mine and I felt an enormous surge of embarrassment and shame that I was personally party to this inhumane abuse.

..

freediver wrote on May 29^th, 2016 at 7:27pm:

Aussie still thinks the 4 year old jumped the fence.

Actually he crawled under it, apparently. Should be a pretty simple thing to ensure can't happen wouldn't you agree?

Aussie is right - the zoo was negligent.

Yeah,  I'm  with Aussie too.

Fences should be child proof.

Poor gorilla.

Aussie wrote on May 29^th, 2016 at 8:45pm:

Gnads wrote on May 29th, 2016 at 8:41pm: And you can't legislate for idiots suing for your own negligence is a typical yank thing & it's pathetic to think we are going down the same path the parents own some responsibility here. Sure.....but you should be able to take your toddler to a Zoo confident that the Zoo has put in place whatever is required which prevents toddler and dangerous animal coming into perilous contact......if you turn your back on the bugger for a nano second, or even longer.  It ought be a very safe place for its market which includes toddlers.

Agreed. A 3 year old is not a ninja or a commando - its pretty darn simple to block their access to a deadly animal enclosure. They didn't, they should have - they are culpable.

Lord Herbert wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 12:08pm:

cods wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 11:47am: its acrophobia herb...a fear of height......or a vertigo attack... I look at that animal and it is so sad he had to die..  :'( :'(sue the bloody parents for letting their feral kid loose in  a public place... The zoo - and ALL other concrete-type zoos should be banned and those poor bloody animals released into a fenced-off countryside somewhere. I remember during my last visit to Taronga Park zoo in Sydney - standing in front of the concrete cell where this enormous gorilla was sitting there disconsolately contemplating the cruel and unforgivable circumstance he was confined to for the rest of his life. His eyes met mine and I felt an enormous surge of embarrassment and shame that I was personally party to this inhumane abuse.

I know... in the wild they will die out thanks to poachers and the fact that man encroaches on their land.....dont forget when renewable energy catches up with their habitat and it gets taken over by concrete windmills.....do you really  think these beautiful creature will survive???

Lord Herbert wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 11:11am:

Belgarion wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 9:20am: Just watched an interview with the Zoo spokesman. Seems the gorilla couldn't be tranquilised because it would take too long to act and he would be pissed off in the meantime.  Duty of care cuts both ways here. The zoo should ensure that no one can access the animals, however a determined adult or curious child will always find a way around this.  Parents are ultimately responsible for their children. Welcome, Belgarion! I for one have missed your excellence contributions as demonstrated at D&R.

Thanks Herbie, good to be back after so long.  I will now spend time between here and D&R.

cods wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 1:04pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 12:08pm: cods wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 11:47am: its acrophobia herb...a fear of height......or a vertigo attack... I look at that animal and it is so sad he had to die..  :'( :'(sue the bloody parents for letting their feral kid loose in  a public place... The zoo - and ALL other concrete-type zoos should be banned and those poor bloody animals released into a fenced-off countryside somewhere. I remember during my last visit to Taronga Park zoo in Sydney - standing in front of the concrete cell where this enormous gorilla was sitting there disconsolately contemplating the cruel and unforgivable circumstance he was confined to for the rest of his life. His eyes met mine and I felt an enormous surge of embarrassment and shame that I was personally party to this inhumane abuse. I know... in the wild they will die out thanks to poachers and the fact that man encroaches on their land.....dont forget when renewable energy catches up with their habitat and it gets taken over by concrete windmills.....do you really  think these beautiful creature will survive???

It's not renewable energy threatening ecosystems Cods.

It's deforestationn. Something greenie's are against.

Belgarion wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 1:06pm:

Thanks Herbie, good to be back after so long.  I will now spend time between here and D&R.

Excellent.

You were always one of the best posters, and you shouldn't hide your light under a bush over there in that booth-sized forum board.

I am just surprised that the child did not sustain more injury falling in.  Its quiet low down from the video

tickleandrose wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 1:25pm:

I am just surprised that the child did not sustain more injury falling in.  Its quiet low down from the video

The video doesn't show him falling in.

He may have entered where the wall was not quite as high.

Whatever the case, he's certainly very lucky.

He could have been killed by the fall, the gorilla, or the bullet.

Lucky kid.

There should be an inquiry as to why it took a full 10 minutes for a staff member to turn up with a gun.

There should be BREAK THE GLASS IN CASE OF EMERGENCY units in front of every dangerous animals cage.

Belgarion wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 1:06pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 11:11am: Belgarion wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 9:20am: Just watched an interview with the Zoo spokesman. Seems the gorilla couldn't be tranquilised because it would take too long to act and he would be pissed off in the meantime.  Duty of care cuts both ways here. The zoo should ensure that no one can access the animals, however a determined adult or curious child will always find a way around this.  Parents are ultimately responsible for their children. Welcome, Belgarion! I for one have missed your excellence contributions as demonstrated at D&R. Thanks Herbie, good to be back after so long.  I will now spend time between here and D&R.

Hello, Belgarion  :)

Look forward to hearing more from you. I made two posts on DR but they have been languishing in Brian's mod queue for over a week now.

Mistress Nicole wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 1:45pm:

Hello, Belgarion  :) Look forward to hearing more from you. I made two posts on DR but they have been languishing in Brian's mod queue for over a week now.

;D ;D ;D

Say no more.

Quote:

I made two posts on DR but they have been languishing in Brian's mod queue for over a week now.

My posts appear immediately, so that makes no sense.  I was unaware of any pre-moderation of posts.  Maybe that's been introduced after I joined.

What's DR?

greggerypeccary wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 2:16pm:

What's DR?

Debate & Relate.  A person there known as Nicole Page was a co Admin at the original site.  The current version is a Phoenix out of ashes when the original site burned to the ground.  OzPol Member Brian Smith now runs it.

Link.

Lord Herbert wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 1:36pm:

There should be an inquiry as to why it took a full 10 minutes for a staff member to turn up with a gun. There should be BREAK THE GLASS IN CASE OF EMERGENCY units in front of every dangerous animals cage.

Herb that is a completely stupid suggestion/statement.

Gnads wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 2:52pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 1:36pm: There should be an inquiry as to why it took a full 10 minutes for a staff member to turn up with a gun. There should be BREAK THE GLASS IN CASE OF EMERGENCY units in front of every dangerous animals cage. Herb that is a completely stupid suggestion/statement.

Why?

Aussie wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 2:14pm:

Quote: I made two posts on DR but they have been languishing in Brian's mod queue for over a week now. My posts appear immediately, so that makes no sense.  I was unaware of any pre-moderation of posts.  Maybe that's been introduced after I joined.

;D ;D ;D

No ... it was introduced because you joined ....

Aussie wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 3:07pm:

Gnads wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 2:52pm: Lord Herbert wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 1:36pm: There should be an inquiry as to why it took a full 10 minutes for a staff member to turn up with a gun. There should be BREAK THE GLASS IN CASE OF EMERGENCY units in front of every dangerous animals cage. Herb that is a completely stupid suggestion/statement. Why?

Because it takes an excellent mark to shoot an animal so as not to enrage it or injure the person you are trying to save.

Also, you don't leave loaded guns lying around.

If the zoo was responsible it should have a recording of a person reading one of Herbert's posts.

That would have reduced the gorilla to a cringing, blubbering mess in seconds.

Aussie wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 3:07pm:

Gnads wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 2:52pm: Lord Herbert wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 1:36pm: There should be an inquiry as to why it took a full 10 minutes for a staff member to turn up with a gun. There should be BREAK THE GLASS IN CASE OF EMERGENCY units in front of every dangerous animals cage. Herb that is a completely stupid suggestion/statement. Why?

Loaded weapons, in a public place, sitting behind a sheet of glass?

It's a completely crazy idea.

mothra wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 3:16pm:

Aussie wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 3:07pm: Gnads wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 2:52pm: Lord Herbert wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 1:36pm: There should be an inquiry as to why it took a full 10 minutes for a staff member to turn up with a gun. There should be BREAK THE GLASS IN CASE OF EMERGENCY units in front of every dangerous animals cage. Herb that is a completely stupid suggestion/statement. Why? Because it takes an excellent mark to shoot an animal so as not to enrage it or injure the person you are trying to save. Also, you leave loaded guns lying around.

All true.  But a capacity to notify Zoo people of an event immediately facilitates a quicker response time, yeas?

Surely, you don't believe Herbert was suggesting that a loaded weapon was behind the glass to be broken?

Gnads wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 2:52pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 1:36pm: There should be an inquiry as to why it took a full 10 minutes for a staff member to turn up with a gun. There should be BREAK THE GLASS IN CASE OF EMERGENCY units in front of every dangerous animals cage. Herb that is a completely stupid suggestion/statement.

The lions
The bears
The tigers

Maybe a couple more.

Delusional schizophrenics, drunks, religious fanatics, and suicidal depressives are on the short list for jumping into these compounds where the dangerous animals are pacing.

Alarms you press to immediately alert the staff to a life-and-death situation taking place.

At this zoo it took an entire 10 minutes for staff to arrive. That is totally unacceptable considering these zoos have battery-powered buggies available for the staff to get around in. It was utterly disgraceful that a boy was in the gorilla cage for all of 10 minutes before any staff made an appearance.

Aussie wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 3:23pm:

mothra wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 3:16pm: Aussie wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 3:07pm: Gnads wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 2:52pm: Lord Herbert wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 1:36pm: There should be an inquiry as to why it took a full 10 minutes for a staff member to turn up with a gun. There should be BREAK THE GLASS IN CASE OF EMERGENCY units in front of every dangerous animals cage. Herb that is a completely stupid suggestion/statement. Why? Because it takes an excellent mark to shoot an animal so as not to enrage it or injure the person you are trying to save. Also, you leave loaded guns lying around. All true.  But a capacity to notify Zoo people of an event immediately facilitates a quicker response time, yeas? Surely, you don't believe Herbert was suggesting that a loaded weapon was behind the glass to be broken?

That's precisely what he said.

greggerypeccary wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 3:22pm:

Aussie wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 3:07pm: Gnads wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 2:52pm: Lord Herbert wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 1:36pm: There should be an inquiry as to why it took a full 10 minutes for a staff member to turn up with a gun. There should be BREAK THE GLASS IN CASE OF EMERGENCY units in front of every dangerous animals cage. Herb that is a completely stupid suggestion/statement. Why? Loaded weapons, in a public place, sitting behind a sheet of glass? It's a completely crazy idea.

I was talking about a button behind the glass panel.

My aging neighbour had a 'button' she wore as a necklace. Every time she fell down she would press the button and an ambulance would immediately be on its way to her address. Happened many times.

Quote:

That's precisely what he said.

No he did not say that at all.  You have mistakenly read that into it.

Lord Herbert wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 3:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 3:22pm: Aussie wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 3:07pm: Gnads wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 2:52pm: Lord Herbert wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 1:36pm: There should be an inquiry as to why it took a full 10 minutes for a staff member to turn up with a gun. There should be BREAK THE GLASS IN CASE OF EMERGENCY units in front of every dangerous animals cage. Herb that is a completely stupid suggestion/statement. Why? Loaded weapons, in a public place, sitting behind a sheet of glass? It's a completely crazy idea. I was talking about a button behind the glass panel.

Ohhhhhhh.

I beg your pardon then. You weren't clear.

Lord Herbert wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 3:27pm:

At this zoo it took an entire 10 minutes for staff to arrive.

10 minutes from the time the kid entered the enclosure, or 10 minutes from the time they were notified?

Lord Herbert wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 3:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 3:22pm: Aussie wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 3:07pm: Gnads wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 2:52pm: Lord Herbert wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 1:36pm: There should be an inquiry as to why it took a full 10 minutes for a staff member to turn up with a gun. There should be BREAK THE GLASS IN CASE OF EMERGENCY units in front of every dangerous animals cage. Herb that is a completely stupid suggestion/statement. Why? Loaded weapons, in a public place, sitting behind a sheet of glass? It's a completely crazy idea. I was talking about a button behind the glass panel.

Ah.

No need for glass then.

http://ep.yimg.com/ty/cdn/yhst-129190889418637/Detroit-Zoo.jpg

mothra wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 3:30pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 3:28pm: greggerypeccary wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 3:22pm: Aussie wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 3:07pm: Gnads wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 2:52pm: Lord Herbert wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 1:36pm: There should be an inquiry as to why it took a full 10 minutes for a staff member to turn up with a gun. There should be BREAK THE GLASS IN CASE OF EMERGENCY units in front of every dangerous animals cage. Herb that is a completely stupid suggestion/statement. Why? Loaded weapons, in a public place, sitting behind a sheet of glass? It's a completely crazy idea. I was talking about a button behind the glass panel. Ohhhhhhh. I beg your pardon then. You weren't clear.

Handy source of free weapons!

Also imaging Herb let loose with a rifle would probably shoot himself.   

"No no no Mr Herb you hold it the other way around'

LOL  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

http://po4ep.s3.amazonaws.com/1241/l/26435534.jpg

greggerypeccary wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 3:31pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 3:27pm: At this zoo it took an entire 10 minutes for staff to arrive. 10 minutes from the time the kid entered the enclosure, or 10 minutes from the time they were notified?

10 minutes from the time the gorilla was playing with the kid.

And whatever happened to CCTV cameras?

Hmmmm ... ?

Gonads, Mothra? Like to answer that one?

No CCTV cameras to watch that the visitors to the zoo weren't teasing the animals or behaving in an anti-social way?

Hmmmmmmmm ... ?

I'll tell you what the problem is. These are zoos that are run on a tight budget in order to maximise profits, and as such they deliberately forgo paying for the 'extras' just like the designers of the Titanic did.

Quote:

Handy source of free weapons! Also imaging Herb let loose with a rifle would probably shoot himself.    "No no no Mr Herb you hold it the other way around' LOL

He'd be fine, so long as the cooling fans were not noisy.

Lord Herbert wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 3:39pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 3:31pm: Lord Herbert wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 3:27pm: At this zoo it took an entire 10 minutes for staff to arrive. 10 minutes from the time the kid entered the enclosure, or 10 minutes from the time they were notified? 10 minutes from the time the gorilla was playing with the kid. And whatever happened to CCTV cameras? Hmmmm ... ? Gonads, Mothra? Like to answer that one? No CCTV cameras to watch that the visitors to the zoo weren't teasing the animals or behaving in an anti-social way? Hmmmmmmmm ... ? I'll tell you what the problem is. These are zoos that are run on a tight budget in order to maximise profits, and as such they deliberately forgo paying for the 'extras' just like the designers of the Titanic did.

What are you asking me for?

I agree with you ...  :o

Sorry Herbie I know you meant a button behind glass.

Couldnt help myself!

;D ;D

greggerypeccary wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 3:34pm:

Ah. No need for glass then.

Guess why these alarms have a glass cover?

It deters delinquents from 'having a little fun'.

mothra wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 3:41pm:

What are you asking me for? I agree with you ...  :o

LOUDER!!

I want to hear you say that LOUDER for posterity to gawk at!

(Aquascoot, I'm slowly taming this skittish filly with sugar in one hand and chilli-pepper in the other. Still a ways to go, but I'm already polishing up the saddle ready to ride her when she has totally capitulated to my Alpha-male vibes ... Stand by for updates.

mothra wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 1:11pm:

cods wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 1:04pm: Lord Herbert wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 12:08pm: cods wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 11:47am: its acrophobia herb...a fear of height......or a vertigo attack... I look at that animal and it is so sad he had to die..  :'( :'(sue the bloody parents for letting their feral kid loose in  a public place... The zoo - and ALL other concrete-type zoos should be banned and those poor bloody animals released into a fenced-off countryside somewhere. I remember during my last visit to Taronga Park zoo in Sydney - standing in front of the concrete cell where this enormous gorilla was sitting there disconsolately contemplating the cruel and unforgivable circumstance he was confined to for the rest of his life. His eyes met mine and I felt an enormous surge of embarrassment and shame that I was personally party to this inhumane abuse. I know... in the wild they will die out thanks to poachers and the fact that man encroaches on their land.....dont forget when renewable energy catches up with their habitat and it gets taken over by concrete windmills.....do you really  think these beautiful creature will survive??? It's not renewable energy threatening ecosystems Cods. It's deforestationn. Something greenie's are against.

how and where do you think they will find the land in gorilla country..[read jungles] to plant their windmills.. mothra?>.

I can see it working if they dont knock down trees.. ::) ::)


just sayin

Lord Herbert wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 3:42pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 3:34pm: Ah. No need for glass then. Guess why these alarms have a glass cover? It deters delinquents from 'having a little fun'.

Delinquents rarely pay to go to the zoo.

These look just fine.

http://ep.yimg.com/ty/cdn/yhst-129190889418637/Detroit-Zoo.jpg

you know herb this is only the second time I have ever heard of a child falling into a gorilla den......

the fact is they had to shoot and kill the animal....a cruel fate for sure but under the circumstances I am sure they only did what they saw as no choice...   they were there ,,,,, remember?..

I think you are really thinking  this happens every week...

I only really saw the extended TV footage today and the gorilla was flicking the kid around and dragging him.

The initial footage  I saw only showed him standing over the kid which didn't seem so bad

Sad but had to be done as we all agree!

They should have called Dianne Fossey.

cods wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 3:53pm:

you know herb this is only the second time I have ever heard of a child falling into a gorilla den...... the fact is they had to shoot and kill the animal....a cruel fate for sure but under the circumstances I am sure they only did what they saw as no choice...   they were there ,,,,, remember?.. I think you are really thinking  this happens every week...

They had to shoot this poor victim of human stupidity for sure.

"With a little common sense and adherence to regulation, most zoos are safe. Indeed, they play host to millions of visitors every year, many of them children. But it would be hubris to think it perfectly secure to imprison hundreds of carnivores, serpents, and ten ton megafauna in cages without incident. Below are ten reasons why lions, tigers, and bears might just belong in the wild. I have made a conscious decision to try to spread the events out between different species, but this list constitutes only a sliver of the multiple horror stories that unfold every year throughout the world".

link

This reminds me of the case a few years back when some f#ckwit was tormenting the Tigers at the zoo and one of them managed to jump up and grab the dumb c$#t  ;D

Apparently when they designed the enclosure they didn't allow for the extra distance a Tiger can jump when it is being tormented by a f#ckwit human     ;D

innocentbystander. wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 3:59pm:

They should have called Dianne Fossey.

Should have called the blokes in white coats for you!

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

innocentbystander. wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 4:25pm:

This reminds me of the case a few years back when some f#ckwit was tormenting the Tigers at the zoo and one of them managed to jump up and grab the dumb c$#t  ;D Apparently when they designed the enclosure they didn't allow for the extra distance a Tiger can jump when it is being tormented by a f#ckwit human     ;D

OH no did it hurt greggory?   >:( >:( >:( you did say it was a f#ckwit

Mistress Nicole wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 1:45pm:

Belgarion wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 1:06pm: Lord Herbert wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 11:11am: Belgarion wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 9:20am: Just watched an interview with the Zoo spokesman. Seems the gorilla couldn't be tranquilised because it would take too long to act and he would be pissed off in the meantime.  Duty of care cuts both ways here. The zoo should ensure that no one can access the animals, however a determined adult or curious child will always find a way around this.  Parents are ultimately responsible for their children. Welcome, Belgarion! I for one have missed your excellence contributions as demonstrated at D&R. Thanks Herbie, good to be back after so long.  I will now spend time between here and D&R. Hello, Belgarion  :) Look forward to hearing more from you. I made two posts on DR but they have been languishing in Brian's mod queue for over a week now.

Hi Nicole, long time no hear...no doubt Brian is checking your posts for political correctness before allowing them to go public  ;)

Redmond Neck wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 4:26pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 3:59pm: They should have called Dianne Fossey. Should have called the blokes in white coats for you! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Sorry for being so inconsiderate, as a brain dead gorilla yourself I can understand that Dianne Fosseys name would probably touch a nerve.

I can imagine that if a child suddenly fell into your cage that you would be just as confused as that gorilla too and would most likely have to be shot to resolve the situation as well. 

teddybear wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 4:39pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 4:25pm: This reminds me of the case a few years back when some f#ckwit was tormenting the Tigers at the zoo and one of them managed to jump up and grab the dumb c$#t  ;D Apparently when they designed the enclosure they didn't allow for the extra distance a Tiger can jump when it is being tormented by a f#ckwit human     ;D OH no did it hurt greggory?   >:( >:( >:( you did say it was a f#ckwit

Naughty teddy!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Redmond Neck wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 5:04pm:

teddybear wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 4:39pm: innocentbystander. wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 4:25pm: This reminds me of the case a few years back when some f#ckwit was tormenting the Tigers at the zoo and one of them managed to jump up and grab the dumb c$#t  ;D Apparently when they designed the enclosure they didn't allow for the extra distance a Tiger can jump when it is being tormented by a f#ckwit human     ;D OH no did it hurt greggory?   >:( >:( >:( you did say it was a f#ckwit Naughty teddy!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Afternoon red  f#kin cold  >:( >:( >:(

Aussie wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 3:07pm:

Gnads wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 2:52pm: Lord Herbert wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 1:36pm: There should be an inquiry as to why it took a full 10 minutes for a staff member to turn up with a gun. There should be BREAK THE GLASS IN CASE OF EMERGENCY units in front of every dangerous animals cage. Herb that is a completely stupid suggestion/statement. Why?

Edited  :P

Lord Herbert wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 3:42pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 3:34pm: Ah. No need for glass then. Guess why these alarms have a glass cover? It deters delinquents from 'having a little fun'.

Ahhh no it doesn't .... they do it on trains all the time.

My apologies for over reading your statement re: the emergency button ..

the subject prior was in regards to shooting the animal

and I went from there.

Gnads wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 5:26pm:

Aussie wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 3:07pm: Gnads wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 2:52pm: Lord Herbert wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 1:36pm: There should be an inquiry as to why it took a full 10 minutes for a staff member to turn up with a gun. There should be BREAK THE GLASS IN CASE OF EMERGENCY units in front of every dangerous animals cage. Herb that is a completely stupid suggestion/statement. Why? If it need it explained you are just as stupid. How about putting a little thought into the reason why you wouldn't have a loaded rifle behind glass at every wild/dangerous animal enclosure in a public zoo? Go on give it a try.

Nobody, including and particularly Herbert suggested that.

Addressed above

I have apologised for my error.

Gnads wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 5:33pm:

Addressed above I have apologised for my error.

This:

:P

....is an apology?

Pretty close to my 5m estimation.

Witnesses said they heard the boy telling his mother he wanted to enter the enclosure. The child, whose name has not been released, then slipped behind a barrier and fell about 4.5 metres into the habitat.

The mum believes in sky fairies. She should have thanked the gorilla for not hurting her son.

For those of you that have seen the news or been on social media that was my son that fell in the gorilla exhibit at the zoo. God protected my child until the authorities were able to get to him.


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Gnads wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 5:33pm:

Addressed above I have apologised for my error.

When can I expect the Compensation payment?  :P

innocentbystander. wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 4:57pm:

Redmond Neck wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 4:26pm: innocentbystander. wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 3:59pm: They should have called Dianne Fossey. Should have called the blokes in white coats for you! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Sorry for being so inconsiderate, as a brain dead gorilla .

Apology noted.

Check out mom and dad

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Dustwun wrote on May 31^st, 2016 at 11:44am:

Check out mom and dad

What about them?

Dustwun wrote on May 31^st, 2016 at 11:44am:

Check out mom and dad

Explains why the kid walked up to the gorilla. Just thought he was going to daddy.

From Dr Chris Brown ...

"The killing of 17 year old gorilla Harambe after a 4 year old boy fell into his enclosure at Cincinnati Zoo has left many of you asking whether such a drastic move was really necessary…

Western lowland gorillas like Harambe are classified as critically endangered in the wild and behaviourally are renowned for being relatively placid, unless provoked. So were other non-lethal measures an option?

For starters, the zoo staff were placed in an awful situation. And probably acted on an existing protocol. But what else could have been done? If a tranquiliser rifle was used, the sedating effects of the dart wouldn’t have been seen for at least 5 minutes. The impact of the dart may have also agitated Harambe further. But given that the whole incident lasted around 10 minutes, perhaps there was time with early action. On the flipside, tranquilising Harambe while he was in the water of the moat would also have put him at risk of drowning. High pressure capsicum spray (as used with bears), tear gas or even non-lethal shooting are other options now being discussed.

Clearly we wouldn’t even be discussing the tragedy if the 4 year old boy had been properly supervised. If we are going to keep gorillas like Harambe in zoos, then surely we need protocols in place to ensure intrusions like this don’t happen and don’t cost critically endangered animals like Harambe their lives."

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Statement of PETA. 


Quote:

Yet again, captivity has taken an animal's life. The gorilla enclosure should have been surrounded by a secondary barrier between the humans and the animals to prevent exactly this type of incident. Gorillas have shown that they can be protective of smaller living beings and react the same way any human would to a child in danger. Consider Binti Jua, the gorilla who carried a child to a zookeeper's gate. Even under the "best" circumstances, captivity is never acceptable for gorillas or other primates, and in cases like this, it's even deadly. This tragedy is exactly why PETA urges families to stay away from any facility that displays animals as sideshows for humans to gawk at.

Agree 100%

... wrote on May 31^st, 2016 at 12:12pm:

Statement of PETA.  Quote: Yet again, captivity has taken an animal's life. The gorilla enclosure should have been surrounded by a secondary barrier between the humans and the animals to prevent exactly this type of incident. Gorillas have shown that they can be protective of smaller living beings and react the same way any human would to a child in danger. Consider Binti Jua, the gorilla who carried a child to a zookeeper's gate. Even under the "best" circumstances, captivity is never acceptable for gorillas or other primates, and in cases like this, it's even deadly. This tragedy is exactly why PETA urges families to stay away from any facility that displays animals as sideshows for humans to gawk at. Agree 100%

X2

greggerypeccary wrote on May 31^st, 2016 at 11:46am:

Dustwun wrote on May 31st, 2016 at 11:44am: Check out mom and dad What about them?

It's lucky he wasn't shot by mistake ...  ;D ;D ;D

:-[ O Jesus, that's terrible. Why do I say these things? Is there any hope for me?  :-/

  :P

..

mothra wrote on May 31^st, 2016 at 12:39pm:

... wrote on May 31st, 2016 at 12:12pm: Statement of PETA.  Quote: Yet again, captivity has taken an animal's life. The gorilla enclosure should have been surrounded by a secondary barrier between the humans and the animals to prevent exactly this type of incident. Gorillas have shown that they can be protective of smaller living beings and react the same way any human would to a child in danger. Consider Binti Jua, the gorilla who carried a child to a zookeeper's gate. Even under the "best" circumstances, captivity is never acceptable for gorillas or other primates, and in cases like this, it's even deadly. This tragedy is exactly why PETA urges families to stay away from any facility that displays animals as sideshows for humans to gawk at. Agree 100% X2

I agree with you.

X3  ::)

Lord Herbert wrote on May 31^st, 2016 at 2:13pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 31st, 2016 at 11:46am: Dustwun wrote on May 31st, 2016 at 11:44am: Check out mom and dad What about them? It's lucky he wasn't shot by mistake ...  ;D ;D ;D :-[ O Jesus, that's terrible. Why do I say these things? Is there any hope for me?  :-/   :P

No. Not really.

mothra wrote on May 31^st, 2016 at 2:16pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 31st, 2016 at 2:13pm: greggerypeccary wrote on May 31st, 2016 at 11:46am: Dustwun wrote on May 31st, 2016 at 11:44am: Check out mom and dad What about them? It's lucky he wasn't shot by mistake ...  ;D ;D ;D :-[ O Jesus, that's terrible. Why do I say these things? Is there any hope for me?  :-/   :P No. Not really.

X2

I agree with you ...  :)

I've just caught up with this now.

link

Why is it damned near ALWAYS the case that These People have a criminal past?

Except for that idiot John Howard, is it any wonder that none of our prime ministers - going back decades - had ever opened our gates to Negro immigration?

Speaking of which, the same 'Racial Vilification' law that has Nova Peris's abuser in hot water - could also be applied to our successive federal governments going back decades for tacit racial vilification of Negroes.

link

Criminal charges set to be laid against the zoo.

"Witnesses said the child had expressed a desire to get into the enclosure and he climbed over a 1-metre barrier, falling 4.5 metres into a moat".

1-metre barrier.

Are they kidding?

The barrier to dreamworld's tiger enclosure is about 1 meter.   ?standard practice

Lord Herbert wrote on May 31^st, 2016 at 2:24pm:

I've just caught up with this now. link

What are we meant to be reading at that link, Herbie?

Aussie wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 5:38pm:

Gnads wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 5:33pm: Addressed above I have apologised for my error. This: :P ....is an apology?

The apology wasn't for you

you take it how you wish

I'm not bothered ::)

Lord Herbert wrote on May 31^st, 2016 at 2:24pm:

I've just caught up with this now. link Why is it damned near ALWAYS the case that These People have a criminal past? Except for that idiot John Howard, is it any wonder that none of our prime ministers - going back decades - had ever opened our gates to Negro immigration? Speaking of which, the same 'Racial Vilification' law that has Nova Peris's abuser in hot water - could also be applied to our successive federal governments going back decades for tacit racial vilification of Negroes.

Apparently the father has, yes.

But it is TOTALLY irrelevant in this instance, as he wasn't even there at the time.

tickleandrose wrote on Jun 1^st, 2016 at 12:54pm:

The barrier to dreamworld's tiger enclosure is about 1 meter.   ?standard practice

Herbert's delusions.

Kat wrote on Jun 1^st, 2016 at 1:09pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 31st, 2016 at 2:24pm: I've just caught up with this now. link Why is it damned near ALWAYS the case that These People have a criminal past? Except for that idiot John Howard, is it any wonder that none of our prime ministers - going back decades - had ever opened our gates to Negro immigration? Speaking of which, the same 'Racial Vilification' law that has Nova Peris's abuser in hot water - could also be applied to our successive federal governments going back decades for tacit racial vilification of Negroes. Apparently the father has, yes. But it is TOTALLY irrelevant in this instance, as he wasn't even there at the time.

When has Herbie ever let facts get in the way of a good troll?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 1^st, 2016 at 1:00pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 31st, 2016 at 2:24pm: I've just caught up with this now. link What are we meant to be reading at that link, Herbie?

Cancel it.

Kat wrote on Jun 1^st, 2016 at 1:09pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 31st, 2016 at 2:24pm: I've just caught up with this now. link Why is it damned near ALWAYS the case that These People have a criminal past? Except for that idiot John Howard, is it any wonder that none of our prime ministers - going back decades - had ever opened our gates to Negro immigration? Speaking of which, the same 'Racial Vilification' law that has Nova Peris's abuser in hot water - could also be applied to our successive federal governments going back decades for tacit racial vilification of Negroes. Apparently the father has, yes. But it is TOTALLY irrelevant in this instance, as he wasn't even there at the time.

His offspring broke into a zoo enclosure.

freediver wrote on Jun 1^st, 2016 at 6:11pm:

Kat wrote on Jun 1st, 2016 at 1:09pm: Lord Herbert wrote on May 31st, 2016 at 2:24pm: I've just caught up with this now. link Why is it damned near ALWAYS the case that These People have a criminal past? Except for that idiot John Howard, is it any wonder that none of our prime ministers - going back decades - had ever opened our gates to Negro immigration? Speaking of which, the same 'Racial Vilification' law that has Nova Peris's abuser in hot water - could also be applied to our successive federal governments going back decades for tacit racial vilification of Negroes. Apparently the father has, yes. But it is TOTALLY irrelevant in this instance, as he wasn't even there at the time. His offspring broke into a zoo enclosure.

How could a four year old have the capacity to do that?

These animals are harmless just ask Charla Nash.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 1^st, 2016 at 2:38pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 1st, 2016 at 1:00pm: Lord Herbert wrote on May 31st, 2016 at 2:24pm: I've just caught up with this now. link What are we meant to be reading at that link, Herbie? Cancel it.

funny they dont look black to me ..

isnt this about black people....or should that be people less white maybe.. :) :) :)

Aussie wrote on Jun 1^st, 2016 at 6:16pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 1st, 2016 at 6:11pm: Kat wrote on Jun 1st, 2016 at 1:09pm: Lord Herbert wrote on May 31st, 2016 at 2:24pm: I've just caught up with this now. link Why is it damned near ALWAYS the case that These People have a criminal past? Except for that idiot John Howard, is it any wonder that none of our prime ministers - going back decades - had ever opened our gates to Negro immigration? Speaking of which, the same 'Racial Vilification' law that has Nova Peris's abuser in hot water - could also be applied to our successive federal governments going back decades for tacit racial vilification of Negroes. Apparently the father has, yes. But it is TOTALLY irrelevant in this instance, as he wasn't even there at the time. His offspring broke into a zoo enclosure. How could a four year old have the capacity to do that?

A paying customer wandered off into a restricted area.

Hardly a criminal offence.

Quote:

A paying customer wandered off into a restricted area. Hardly a criminal offence.

There are some serious questions about safety for those customers, especially for those who have no appreciation of the potential danger.  The kid ought never have been physically able to breach the enclosure.

Aussie wrote on Jun 1^st, 2016 at 6:16pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 1st, 2016 at 6:11pm: Kat wrote on Jun 1st, 2016 at 1:09pm: Lord Herbert wrote on May 31st, 2016 at 2:24pm: I've just caught up with this now. link Why is it damned near ALWAYS the case that These People have a criminal past? Except for that idiot John Howard, is it any wonder that none of our prime ministers - going back decades - had ever opened our gates to Negro immigration? Speaking of which, the same 'Racial Vilification' law that has Nova Peris's abuser in hot water - could also be applied to our successive federal governments going back decades for tacit racial vilification of Negroes. Apparently the father has, yes. But it is TOTALLY irrelevant in this instance, as he wasn't even there at the time. His offspring broke into a zoo enclosure. How could a four year old have the capacity to do that?

He was black.  They're born with the ability to break into things.

Kat wrote on Jun 1^st, 2016 at 1:09pm:

Apparently the father has, yes.

Correct.

If it's a black man over 35 in the US, you can bet your bippy he's been collared for something. 

What the hell is it with Those People?

Is it any wonder successive Australian governments of both the major parties have allowed every one else in as migrants, but not Negroes?

Aussie wrote on Jun 1^st, 2016 at 6:25pm:

Quote: A paying customer wandered off into a restricted area. Hardly a criminal offence. There are some serious questions about safety for those customers, especially for those who have no appreciation of the potential danger.  The kid ought never have been physically able to breach the enclosure.

Quite correct - haven't the zoo designers ever heard of chicken wire?


http://www.chickenwirenetting.com/chickenwire-images/ss_chicken_wire_hexagonal_hole.jpg

Someone needs to do time in jail for the error they made in designing the enclosure.

Bobby. wrote on Jun 1^st, 2016 at 8:06pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 1st, 2016 at 6:25pm: Quote: A paying customer wandered off into a restricted area. Hardly a criminal offence. There are some serious questions about safety for those customers, especially for those who have no appreciation of the potential danger.  The kid ought never have been physically able to breach the enclosure. Quite correct - haven't the zoo designers ever heard of chicken wire? http://www.chickenwirenetting.com/chickenwire-images/ss_chicken_wire_hexagonal_hole.jpg Someone needs to do time in jail for the error they made in designing the enclosure.

The barrier is said to be only 1 metre high.

An electrified fence with a mild shock is probably what is needed to keep people standing at a safe distance from these dangerous animals.

And again - where were the zoo's CCTV cameras, and who was monitoring the crowd?

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 1^st, 2016 at 8:19pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 1st, 2016 at 8:06pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 1st, 2016 at 6:25pm: Quote: A paying customer wandered off into a restricted area. Hardly a criminal offence. There are some serious questions about safety for those customers, especially for those who have no appreciation of the potential danger.  The kid ought never have been physically able to breach the enclosure. Quite correct - haven't the zoo designers ever heard of chicken wire? http://www.chickenwirenetting.com/chickenwire-images/ss_chicken_wire_hexagonal_hole.jpg Someone needs to do time in jail for the error they made in designing the enclosure. The barrier is said to be only 1 metre high. An electrified fence with a mild shock is probably what is needed to keep people standing at a safe distance from these dangerous animals. And again - where were the zoo's CCTV cameras, and who was monitoring the crowd?

I've visited lots of zoos, in lots of countries.

From memory, 1 metre high fences are quite common.

There used to be a lion park, here in Perth, where you could drive through the enclosure with no barriers between you and the lions.

I thought the mid got "through" the barrier. Not "over" it?

I was imagining a hedge.

I could be wrong though.

If you actually watch the full video on live leak (not the cut versions on mainstream media) you would also probably be alarmed for the safety of the child as well.
I know I was.

He drags him with force at speed through the enclosure and under the water at times.

A tranquiliser would take 15 mins to kick in, they didn't have 15 mins.

Its a sad story all round but I think the right option was taken.

Quote:

where you could drive through

Stupid cops didn't realise that the gorilla wanted to save the boy.

Aussie wrote on Jun 1^st, 2016 at 8:34pm:

Quote: where you could drive through

Yes.

All that was between you and the lions, was the car door.

This is from my FB newsfeed:


Quote:

Amanda O'Donoughue Yesterday at 10:55am · I am going to try to clear up a few things that have been weighing on me about Harambe and the Cinci Zoo since I read the news this afternoon. I have worked with Gorillas as a zookeeper while in my twenties (before children) and they are my favorite animal (out of dozens) that I have ever worked closely with. I am gonna go ahead and list a few facts, thoughts and opinions for those of you that aren't familiar with the species itself, or how a zoo operates in emergency situations. Now Gorillas are considered 'gentle giants' at least when compared with their more aggressive cousins the chimpanzee, but a 400+ pound male in his prime is as strong as roughly 10 adult humans. What can you bench press? OK, now multiply that number by ten. An adult male silverback gorilla has one job, to protect his group. He does this by bluffing or intimidating anything that he feels threatened by. Gorillas are considered a Class 1 mammal, the most dangerous class of mammals in the animal kingdom, again, merely due to their size and strength. They are grouped in with other apes, tigers, lions, bears, etc. While working in an AZA accredited zoo with Apes, keepers DO NOT work in contact with them. Meaning they do NOT go in with these animals. There is always a welded mesh barrier between the animal and the humans. In more recent decades, zoos have begun to redesign enclosures, removing all obvious caging and attempting to create a seamless view of the animals for the visitor to enjoy watching animals in a more natural looking habitat. *this is great until little children begin falling into exhibits* which of course can happen to anyone, especially in a crowded zoo-like setting. I have watched this video over again, and with the silverback's postering, and tight lips, it's pretty much the stuff of any keeper's nightmares, and I have had MANY while working with them. This job is not for the complacent. Gorillas are kind, curious, and sometimes silly, but they are also very large, very strong animals. I always brought my OCD to work with me. checking and rechecking locks to make sure my animals and I remained separated before entering to clean. I keep hearing that the Gorilla was trying to protect the boy. I do not find this to be true. Harambe reaches for the boys hands and arms, but only to position the child better for his own displaying purposes. Males do very elaborate displays when highly agitated, slamming and dragging things about. Typically they would drag large branches, barrels and heavy weighted balls around to make as much noise as possible. Not in an effort to hurt anyone or anything (usually) but just to intimidate. It was clear to me that he was reacting to the screams coming from the gathering crowd. Harambe was most likely not going to separate himself from that child without seriously hurting him first (again due to mere size and strength, not malicious intent) Why didn't they use treats? well, they attempted to call them off exhibit (which animals hate), the females in the group came in, but Harambe did not. What better treat for a captive animal than a real live kid! They didn't use Tranquilizers for a few reasons, A. Harambe would've taken too long to become immobilized, and could have really injured the child in the process as the drugs used may not work quickly enough depending on the stress of the situation and the dose B. Harambe would've have drowned in the moat if immobilized in the water, and possibly fallen on the boy trapping him and drowning him as well. Many zoos have the protocol to call on their expertly trained dart team in the event of an animal escape or in the event that a human is trapped with a dangerous animal. They will evaluate the scene as quickly and as safely as possible, and will make the most informed decision as how they will handle the animal. I can't point fingers at anyone in this situation, but we need to really evaluate the safety of the animal enclosures from the visitor side. Not impeding that view is a tough one, but there should be no way that someone can find themselves inside of an animal's exhibit. I know one thing for sure, those keepers lost a beautiful, and I mean gorgeous silverback and friend. I feel their loss with them this week. As educators and conservators of endangered species, all we can do is shine a light on the beauty and majesty of these animals in hopes to spark a love and a need to keep them from vanishing from our planet. Child killers, they are not. It's unfortunate for the conservation of the species, and the loss of revenue a beautiful zoo such as Cinci will lose. tragedy all around. *me working (very carefully) with a 400+ pound silverback circa 2009

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 1^st, 2016 at 8:38pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 1st, 2016 at 8:34pm: Quote: where you could drive through Yes. All that was between you and the lions, was the car door.

And the window, and what sort of half wit would leave a window open?  Plenty ~ I'm sure there have been.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 1^st, 2016 at 8:19pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 1st, 2016 at 8:06pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 1st, 2016 at 6:25pm: Quote: A paying customer wandered off into a restricted area. Hardly a criminal offence. There are some serious questions about safety for those customers, especially for those who have no appreciation of the potential danger.  The kid ought never have been physically able to breach the enclosure. Quite correct - haven't the zoo designers ever heard of chicken wire? http://www.chickenwirenetting.com/chickenwire-images/ss_chicken_wire_hexagonal_hole.jpg Someone needs to do time in jail for the error they made in designing the enclosure. The barrier is said to be only 1 metre high. An electrified fence with a mild shock is probably what is needed to keep people standing at a safe distance from these dangerous animals. And again - where were the zoo's CCTV cameras, and who was monitoring the crowd?

Yes but a small child cannot pass through chicken wire.

http://www.chickenwirenetting.com/chickenwire-images/ss_chicken_wire_hexagonal_hole.jpg

It would have been so simple to improve the safety.

Aussie wrote on Jun 1^st, 2016 at 8:46pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 1st, 2016 at 8:38pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 1st, 2016 at 8:34pm: Quote: where you could drive through Yes. All that was between you and the lions, was the car door. And the window, and what sort of half wit would leave a window open?  Plenty ~ I'm sure there have been.

We we t to a drive through safari park when I was a kid and my idjot brother got out of the car, ran to the boot and back then got ba k in.

Left the door open while he did the bolt too.

http://robeikelboom.blogspot.com.au/2009/01/wanneroo-lion-park.html

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 1^st, 2016 at 8:21pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 1st, 2016 at 8:19pm: Bobby. wrote on Jun 1st, 2016 at 8:06pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 1st, 2016 at 6:25pm: Quote: A paying customer wandered off into a restricted area. Hardly a criminal offence. There are some serious questions about safety for those customers, especially for those who have no appreciation of the potential danger.  The kid ought never have been physically able to breach the enclosure. Quite correct - haven't the zoo designers ever heard of chicken wire? http://www.chickenwirenetting.com/chickenwire-images/ss_chicken_wire_hexagonal_hole.jpg Someone needs to do time in jail for the error they made in designing the enclosure. The barrier is said to be only 1 metre high. An electrified fence with a mild shock is probably what is needed to keep people standing at a safe distance from these dangerous animals. And again - where were the zoo's CCTV cameras, and who was monitoring the crowd? I've visited lots of zoos, in lots of countries. From memory, 1 metre high fences are quite common. There used to be a lion park, here in Perth, where you could drive through the enclosure with no barriers between you and the lions.

I've been to Whipsnade zoo in the late '50's. Like a Safari Park. Much more humane.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 1^st, 2016 at 8:38pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 1st, 2016 at 8:34pm: Quote: where you could drive through Yes. All that was between you and the lions, was the car door.

And the problem with this are the idiots who want to wind down the windows for a 'better shot' with their cameras.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 1^st, 2016 at 9:06pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 1st, 2016 at 8:38pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 1st, 2016 at 8:34pm: Quote: where you could drive through Yes. All that was between you and the lions, was the car door. And the problem with this are the idiots who want to wind down the windows for a 'better shot' with their cameras.

Yeas, and they get what they deserve.

capitosinora wrote on Jun 1^st, 2016 at 8:36pm:

Stupid cops didn't realise that the gorilla wanted to save the boy.

Yes and he also wanted to return the boy to his parents in a clean condition.

GordyL wrote on May 29^th, 2016 at 2:17pm:

Wrong call I reckon.  They should have tried a tranquilizer fist while having it covered with a rifle. They should also chuck the parents in with the lions for being such idiots. http://www.smh.com.au/environment/animals/us-zoo-shoots-dead-gorilla-to-save-boy-20160528-gp6dzc.html

Yeah. I love being dragged around like a water-skier caught up in his line, too. That boy must have been very brave for keeping calm, and even trying to calm the gorilla, even during his own ordeal. I think the zookeepers chose the right option. A tranquiliser might have stopped the gorilla running amok. But not after the likelihood of taking it out on the child.

Suspect all the outrage towards the parents is pointing to something else: we were all secretly disappointed that Youtube didn't post the gorilla ripping the arms and legs off the boy.

AiA wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 5:29am:

Suspect all the outrage towards the parents is pointing to something else: we were all secretly disappointed that Youtube didn't post the gorilla ripping the arms and legs off the boy.

you maybe...n ot me....

seeing that child dragged over the water made me realise what a monumental decision they had to make......

its sad you can find a reason to mock this...when you look at that animal... and think he is dead because some stupid parent couldnt look out for his child...


pizzzzzzzzzes me off to be honest. >:(

Aussie wrote on Jun 1^st, 2016 at 8:46pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 1st, 2016 at 8:38pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 1st, 2016 at 8:34pm: Quote: where you could drive through Yes. All that was between you and the lions, was the car door. And the window, and what sort of half wit would leave a window open?  Plenty ~ I'm sure there have been.

Yes ... this woman in June last year.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3113418/Horrifying-moment-lioness-reared-attack-killed-American-tourist-Katherine-Chappell-South-African-safari-park.html

Aussie wrote on Jun 1^st, 2016 at 8:46pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 1st, 2016 at 8:38pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 1st, 2016 at 8:34pm: Quote: where you could drive through Yes. All that was between you and the lions, was the car door. And the window, and what sort of half wit would leave a window open?  Plenty ~ I'm sure there have been.

Yes indeed. I've seen miles of video footage where the passengers don't want the windows in the way of a good 'photo opportunity'. They are all over YouTube.

I am going with Jane

Jane Goodall: Slain Zoo Gorilla Was ‘Putting an Arm Round the Child


http://time.com/4353115/jane-goodall-gorilla-harambe-cincinnati-zoo/

AiA I am sure Jane is right.. however    she did say\\"she thought" that was what the animal was doing..

and we dont know do we....the fact is the male almost never looks after the baby...its what the female does....

he was a magnificent silverback....

I think America should let it go...no blame!

just imagine what decision would have to be made had he killed that child..

:'( :'( :'( :'(

cods wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 10:27am:

AiA I am sure Jane is right.. however    she did say\\"she thought" that was what the animal was doing.. and we dont know do we....the fact is the male almost never looks after the baby...its what the female does.... he was a magnificent silverback.... I think America should let it go...no blame! just imagine what decision would have to be made had he killed that child..

Imagine if the sniper missed the gorilla, and hit the kid.

Imagine if the dead gorilla fell onto the child.

AiA wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 8:54am:

Jane Goodall: Slain Zoo Gorilla Was ‘Putting an Arm Round the Child[/size][/b]

Just measuring it to see if it would fit in its stomach.  ;)

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 10:29am:

cods wrote on Jun 2nd, 2016 at 10:27am: AiA I am sure Jane is right.. however    she did say\\"she thought" that was what the animal was doing.. and we dont know do we....the fact is the male almost never looks after the baby...its what the female does.... he was a magnificent silverback.... I think America should let it go...no blame! just imagine what decision would have to be made had he killed that child.. Imagine if the sniper missed the gorilla, and hit the kid. Imagine if the dead gorilla fell onto the child.

thats why they didnt sedate him..

I believe they were watching everything as best they could.. no one could predict what he would do..and they did what was best at that moment in time...

innocentbystander. wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 10:31am:

AiA wrote on Jun 2nd, 2016 at 8:54am: Jane Goodall: Slain Zoo Gorilla Was ‘Putting an Arm Round the Child[/size][/b] Just measuring it to see if it would fit in its stomach.  ;)

are gorillas carnivores?

AiA wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 8:54am:

I am going with Jane Jane Goodall: Slain Zoo Gorilla Was ‘Putting an Arm Round the Child http://time.com/4353115/jane-goodall-gorilla-harambe-cincinnati-zoo/

Jane Goodall is full of sh!t. She's gone well past her Use By Date.

She did a short stint with some gorillas in Africa and ever since has posed as THE authority on everything to do with apes.

Her research encompassed only a very narrow band of ape behaviour that had nothing to do with gorillas in captivity.

All of this is a diversion from where the real blame should be and thats the bloody parents of the kid.

cods wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 10:33am:

innocentbystander. wrote on Jun 2nd, 2016 at 10:31am: AiA wrote on Jun 2nd, 2016 at 8:54am: Jane Goodall: Slain Zoo Gorilla Was ‘Putting an Arm Round the Child[/size][/b] Just measuring it to see if it would fit in its stomach.  ;) are gorillas carnivores?

Nice one, cods.

Herbivores, as far as I know.

They might eat the odd bug here and there, but I doubt they'd eat a human child.

Anyway, why is there no footage of the rescue?

Every person in the zoo would have had a camera/phone with them, yet the only footage we've seen is the minute or so of the kid being dragged around.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 11:19am:

All of this is a diversion from where the real blame should be and thats the bloody parents of the kid.

Yep.

And ummm I still can't believe this topic is going.

Get over it folks.

The gorilla is dead.

The kid is safe.

Move on. Yes?