The only thing that could sort this out is to get the kids out of this toxic environment. They NEED another stolen generation.

Any kids with a bit of potential gets sent to boarding schools around the country, fully paid for.

Anyone who's basically fkcued like the ones causing the trouble get cut off the public tit and the fund channeled to the young kids who still have some hope.

Teachers in the Indigenous community of Aurukun in far north Queensland are being evacuated for the second time this month over safety concerns.

Most of the Cape York Academy's 25 staff and teachers had only returned last Thursday but tensions again flared on the weekend.

Principal Scott Fatnowna and his wife were allegedly threatened by three youths carrying machetes and knives on Saturday night when they returned home after visiting colleagues.

The youths, who have been charged, allegedly took the government car for a joyride before it got bogged just out of town.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-25/aurukun-teachers-evacuated-for-second-time/7444630

GordyL wrote on May 25^th, 2016 at 2:09pm:

The only thing that could sort this out is to get the kids out of this toxic environment. They NEED another stolen generation. Any kids with a bit of potential gets sent to boarding schools around the country, fully paid for. Anyone who's basically fkcued like the ones causing the trouble get cut off the public tit and the fund channeled to the young kids who still have some hope. Teachers in the Indigenous community of Aurukun in far north Queensland are being evacuated for the second time this month over safety concerns. Most of the Cape York Academy's 25 staff and teachers had only returned last Thursday but tensions again flared on the weekend. Principal Scott Fatnowna and his wife were allegedly threatened by three youths carrying machetes and knives on Saturday night when they returned home after visiting colleagues. The youths, who have been charged, allegedly took the government car for a joyride before it got bogged just out of town. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-25/aurukun-teachers-evacuated-for-second-time/7444630

An idle mind is the devil's playground. Evidently there is no employment or no creative activity available at Aurukun.

Australian governments have created a cultural vacuum.

The view from GordyL's crows nest is impeded by the social horizon and racial horizon.

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 25^th, 2016 at 2:17pm:

GordyL wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 2:09pm: The only thing that could sort this out is to get the kids out of this toxic environment. They NEED another stolen generation. Any kids with a bit of potential gets sent to boarding schools around the country, fully paid for. Anyone who's basically fkcued like the ones causing the trouble get cut off the public tit and the fund channeled to the young kids who still have some hope. Teachers in the Indigenous community of Aurukun in far north Queensland are being evacuated for the second time this month over safety concerns. Most of the Cape York Academy's 25 staff and teachers had only returned last Thursday but tensions again flared on the weekend. Principal Scott Fatnowna and his wife were allegedly threatened by three youths carrying machetes and knives on Saturday night when they returned home after visiting colleagues. The youths, who have been charged, allegedly took the government car for a joyride before it got bogged just out of town. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-25/aurukun-teachers-evacuated-for-second-time/7444630 An idle mind is the devil's playground. Evidently there is no employment or no creative activity available at Aurukun. Australian governments have created a cultural vacuum. The view from GordyL's crows nest is impeded by the social horizon and racial horizon.

Either cut them off the dole and have them use their time hunting bush tucker or fully integrate them.

Keeping them between two worlds is obviously not working.
Your suggestion please?

GordyL wrote on May 25^th, 2016 at 2:21pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 2:17pm: GordyL wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 2:09pm: The only thing that could sort this out is to get the kids out of this toxic environment. They NEED another stolen generation. Any kids with a bit of potential gets sent to boarding schools around the country, fully paid for. Anyone who's basically fkcued like the ones causing the trouble get cut off the public tit and the fund channeled to the young kids who still have some hope. Teachers in the Indigenous community of Aurukun in far north Queensland are being evacuated for the second time this month over safety concerns. Most of the Cape York Academy's 25 staff and teachers had only returned last Thursday but tensions again flared on the weekend. Principal Scott Fatnowna and his wife were allegedly threatened by three youths carrying machetes and knives on Saturday night when they returned home after visiting colleagues. The youths, who have been charged, allegedly took the government car for a joyride before it got bogged just out of town. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-25/aurukun-teachers-evacuated-for-second-time/7444630 An idle mind is the devil's playground. Evidently there is no employment or no creative activity available at Aurukun. Australian governments have created a cultural vacuum. The view from GordyL's crows nest is impeded by the social horizon and racial horizon. Either cut them off the dole and have them use their time hunting bush tucker or fully integrate them. Keeping them between two worlds is obviously not working. Your suggestion please?

Appoint GordyL as king of the Aboriginals and unite him with his subjects.

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 25^th, 2016 at 2:17pm:

An idle mind is the devil's playground.

He would be having a wow of a time in your scone then  :D

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 25^th, 2016 at 2:23pm:

GordyL wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 2:21pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 2:17pm: GordyL wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 2:09pm: The only thing that could sort this out is to get the kids out of this toxic environment. They NEED another stolen generation. Any kids with a bit of potential gets sent to boarding schools around the country, fully paid for. Anyone who's basically fkcued like the ones causing the trouble get cut off the public tit and the fund channeled to the young kids who still have some hope. Teachers in the Indigenous community of Aurukun in far north Queensland are being evacuated for the second time this month over safety concerns. Most of the Cape York Academy's 25 staff and teachers had only returned last Thursday but tensions again flared on the weekend. Principal Scott Fatnowna and his wife were allegedly threatened by three youths carrying machetes and knives on Saturday night when they returned home after visiting colleagues. The youths, who have been charged, allegedly took the government car for a joyride before it got bogged just out of town. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-25/aurukun-teachers-evacuated-for-second-time/7444630 An idle mind is the devil's playground. Evidently there is no employment or no creative activity available at Aurukun. Australian governments have created a cultural vacuum. The view from GordyL's crows nest is impeded by the social horizon and racial horizon. Either cut them off the dole and have them use their time hunting bush tucker or fully integrate them. Keeping them between two worlds is obviously not working. Your suggestion please? Appoint GordyL as king of the Aboriginals and unite him with his subjects.

Hi Svengali.

why is it always the govts fault..??..

they provide the teachers in the first place... these communities scream we get nothing the govt does nothing for us.. yet when they do.....they insult the teachers like this..

leave them too it then

.. they dont want teachers bugger them.I am sure there are plenty of places around the country that will be delighted to have these people come and teach their kids...

GordyL wrote on May 25^th, 2016 at 2:21pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 2:17pm: GordyL wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 2:09pm: The only thing that could sort this out is to get the kids out of this toxic environment. They NEED another stolen generation. Any kids with a bit of potential gets sent to boarding schools around the country, fully paid for. Anyone who's basically fkcued like the ones causing the trouble get cut off the public tit and the fund channeled to the young kids who still have some hope. Teachers in the Indigenous community of Aurukun in far north Queensland are being evacuated for the second time this month over safety concerns. Most of the Cape York Academy's 25 staff and teachers had only returned last Thursday but tensions again flared on the weekend. Principal Scott Fatnowna and his wife were allegedly threatened by three youths carrying machetes and knives on Saturday night when they returned home after visiting colleagues. The youths, who have been charged, allegedly took the government car for a joyride before it got bogged just out of town. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-25/aurukun-teachers-evacuated-for-second-time/7444630 An idle mind is the devil's playground. Evidently there is no employment or no creative activity available at Aurukun. Australian governments have created a cultural vacuum. The view from GordyL's crows nest is impeded by the social horizon and racial horizon. Either cut them off the dole and have them use their time hunting bush tucker or fully integrate them. Keeping them between two worlds is obviously not working. Your suggestion please?

Nothing to do with your post per se, but aren't Aboriginals compelled to vote when they reach 18 like everyone else here in Australia? I know in other countries they give out free this & that to get votes. Do we do the same here? Do we build a permanent dependency class here?

Panther wrote on May 25^th, 2016 at 2:29pm:

GordyL wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 2:21pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 2:17pm: GordyL wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 2:09pm: The only thing that could sort this out is to get the kids out of this toxic environment. They NEED another stolen generation. Any kids with a bit of potential gets sent to boarding schools around the country, fully paid for. Anyone who's basically fkcued like the ones causing the trouble get cut off the public tit and the fund channeled to the young kids who still have some hope. Teachers in the Indigenous community of Aurukun in far north Queensland are being evacuated for the second time this month over safety concerns. Most of the Cape York Academy's 25 staff and teachers had only returned last Thursday but tensions again flared on the weekend. Principal Scott Fatnowna and his wife were allegedly threatened by three youths carrying machetes and knives on Saturday night when they returned home after visiting colleagues. The youths, who have been charged, allegedly took the government car for a joyride before it got bogged just out of town. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-25/aurukun-teachers-evacuated-for-second-time/7444630 An idle mind is the devil's playground. Evidently there is no employment or no creative activity available at Aurukun. Australian governments have created a cultural vacuum. The view from GordyL's crows nest is impeded by the social horizon and racial horizon. Either cut them off the dole and have them use their time hunting bush tucker or fully integrate them. Keeping them between two worlds is obviously not working. Your suggestion please? Nothing to do with your post per se, but aren't Aboriginals compelled to vote when they reach 18 like everyone else here in Australia? I know in other countries they give out free this & that to get votes. Do we do the same here?

In Australia its free abuse.

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 25^th, 2016 at 2:17pm:

GordyL wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 2:09pm: The only thing that could sort this out is to get the kids out of this toxic environment. They NEED another stolen generation. Any kids with a bit of potential gets sent to boarding schools around the country, fully paid for. Anyone who's basically fkcued like the ones causing the trouble get cut off the public tit and the fund channeled to the young kids who still have some hope. Teachers in the Indigenous community of Aurukun in far north Queensland are being evacuated for the second time this month over safety concerns. Most of the Cape York Academy's 25 staff and teachers had only returned last Thursday but tensions again flared on the weekend. Principal Scott Fatnowna and his wife were allegedly threatened by three youths carrying machetes and knives on Saturday night when they returned home after visiting colleagues. The youths, who have been charged, allegedly took the government car for a joyride before it got bogged just out of town. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-25/aurukun-teachers-evacuated-for-second-time/7444630 An idle mind is the devil's playground. Evidently there is no employment or no creative activity available at Aurukun. Australian governments have created a cultural vacuum. The view from GordyL's crows nest is impeded by the social horizon and racial horizon.

Rubbish ... this is a remote community that's why there's no employment and why they are welfare dependant.

They still have plenty of money for drugs, alcohol & cigarettes.

As for nothing to do what a crock .... why aren't their elders teaching them how to fish & hunt & live off the land?

What about their cultural heritage of stories & dance, playing the Didge etc. ?

The people choose to live in these remote communities.

TAX PAYERS SUPPORT THEM TO DO SO.

5 mins ago you were whinging about the govt closures of remote communities.

I think a bit of tribal law ought be applied to these juvenile delinquents .....

lets see how they fancy being speared in the thigh.

Then again I reckon you could do with a sample of that.

Gnads wrote on May 25^th, 2016 at 2:35pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 2:17pm: GordyL wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 2:09pm: The only thing that could sort this out is to get the kids out of this toxic environment. They NEED another stolen generation. Any kids with a bit of potential gets sent to boarding schools around the country, fully paid for. Anyone who's basically fkcued like the ones causing the trouble get cut off the public tit and the fund channeled to the young kids who still have some hope. Teachers in the Indigenous community of Aurukun in far north Queensland are being evacuated for the second time this month over safety concerns. Most of the Cape York Academy's 25 staff and teachers had only returned last Thursday but tensions again flared on the weekend. Principal Scott Fatnowna and his wife were allegedly threatened by three youths carrying machetes and knives on Saturday night when they returned home after visiting colleagues. The youths, who have been charged, allegedly took the government car for a joyride before it got bogged just out of town. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-25/aurukun-teachers-evacuated-for-second-time/7444630 An idle mind is the devil's playground. Evidently there is no employment or no creative activity available at Aurukun. Australian governments have created a cultural vacuum. The view from GordyL's crows nest is impeded by the social horizon and racial horizon. Rubbish ... this is a remote community that's why there's no employment and why they are welfare dependant. They still have plenty of money for drugs, alcohol & cigarettes. As for nothing to do what a crock .... why aren't their elders teaching them how to fish & hunt & live off the land? What about their cultural heritage of stories & dance, playing the Didge etc. ? The people choose to live in these remote communities. TAX PAYERS SUPPORT THEM TO DO SO. 5 mins ago you were whinging about the govt closures of remote communities. I think a bit of tribal law ought be applied to these juvenile delinquents ..... lets see how they fancy being speared in the thigh. Then again I reckon you could do with a sample of that.

The problem is that the government created this Gulag with laws and rules which prevent anything other than a concentration camp scenario. The Queensland government is in control of this society.

You can teach a dog to sit and to shake hands and follow a few other simple commands but you will never be able to teach it how to do a tax return, unfortunately some people are like this also, the trouble is that there are other well meaning people that cannot grasp this concept, they believe that you can take anyone at all and with enough time and money turn them into Bill Gates, this is just not possible. 

The absolute minimum first step to even attempt to educate a low IQ individual is to remove him from his habitat, which is almost certainly a forest of like minded low IQ individuals, and then place him among high IQ achievers, this will drag him or her up to the next level, leaving them at Aurukan will have them stuck in reverse.   

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 25^th, 2016 at 2:49pm:

Gnads wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 2:35pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 2:17pm: GordyL wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 2:09pm: The only thing that could sort this out is to get the kids out of this toxic environment. They NEED another stolen generation. Any kids with a bit of potential gets sent to boarding schools around the country, fully paid for. Anyone who's basically fkcued like the ones causing the trouble get cut off the public tit and the fund channeled to the young kids who still have some hope. Teachers in the Indigenous community of Aurukun in far north Queensland are being evacuated for the second time this month over safety concerns. Most of the Cape York Academy's 25 staff and teachers had only returned last Thursday but tensions again flared on the weekend. Principal Scott Fatnowna and his wife were allegedly threatened by three youths carrying machetes and knives on Saturday night when they returned home after visiting colleagues. The youths, who have been charged, allegedly took the government car for a joyride before it got bogged just out of town. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-25/aurukun-teachers-evacuated-for-second-time/7444630 An idle mind is the devil's playground. Evidently there is no employment or no creative activity available at Aurukun. Australian governments have created a cultural vacuum. The view from GordyL's crows nest is impeded by the social horizon and racial horizon. Rubbish ... this is a remote community that's why there's no employment and why they are welfare dependant. They still have plenty of money for drugs, alcohol & cigarettes. As for nothing to do what a crock .... why aren't their elders teaching them how to fish & hunt & live off the land? What about their cultural heritage of stories & dance, playing the Didge etc. ? The people choose to live in these remote communities. TAX PAYERS SUPPORT THEM TO DO SO. 5 mins ago you were whinging about the govt closures of remote communities. I think a bit of tribal law ought be applied to these juvenile delinquents ..... lets see how they fancy being speared in the thigh. Then again I reckon you could do with a sample of that. The problem is that the government created this Gulag with laws and rules which prevent anything other than a concentration camp scenario. The Queensland government is in control of this society.

What a crock of shyte .... they turn their communities into unliveable 3rd world "gulags" as you want to call them themselves.

People volunteer to go in to help in all areas from teaching to health professionals and how are they repaid?

With this lawless bullsh1t .... they aren't even held to account under aboriginal law.

It's about time people like yourself stop mouthing off and go out and live there yourselves.

innocentbystander. wrote on May 25^th, 2016 at 2:56pm:

You can teach a dog to sit and to shake hands and follow a few other simple commands but you will never be able to teach it how to do a tax return, unfortunately some people are like this also, the trouble is that there are other well meaning people that cannot grasp this concept, they believe that you can take anyone at all and with enough time and money turn them into Bill Gates, this is just not possible.  The absolute minimum first step to even attempt to educate a low IQ individual is to remove him from his habitat, which is almost certainly a forest of like minded low IQ individuals, and then place him among high IQ achievers, this will drag him or her up to the next level, leaving them at Aurukan will have them stuck in reverse.

This is the only way.

Naturally the regressive left would scream STOLEN GENERATION STOLEN GENERATION. (They would be the saved generation)

Make it voluntary, let the brightest kids pass a test and place them in boarding schools and let them return home for a week per year.

The problem is the legacy of conquest, genocide, enslavement and exclusion of Aboriginals from society since 1788.

If the settlers had included Aboriginals in their society since 1788 the situation would be much different.

Aboriginals were excluded from voting until 1960s which signified their exclusion from Australian society.

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 25^th, 2016 at 3:10pm:

The problem is the legacy of conquest, genocide, enslavement and exclusion of Aboriginals from society since 1788. If the settlers had included Aboriginals in their society since 1788 the situation would be much different. Aboriginals were excluded from voting until 1960s which signified their exclusion from Australian society.

Thanks for the history lesson, so what would you do today, 2016?

GordyL wrote on May 25^th, 2016 at 3:05pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 2:56pm: You can teach a dog to sit and to shake hands and follow a few other simple commands but you will never be able to teach it how to do a tax return, unfortunately some people are like this also, the trouble is that there are other well meaning people that cannot grasp this concept, they believe that you can take anyone at all and with enough time and money turn them into Bill Gates, this is just not possible.  The absolute minimum first step to even attempt to educate a low IQ individual is to remove him from his habitat, which is almost certainly a forest of like minded low IQ individuals, and then place him among high IQ achievers, this will drag him or her up to the next level, leaving them at Aurukan will have them stuck in reverse.    This is the only way. Naturally the regressive left would scream STOLEN GENERATION STOLEN GENERATION. (They would be the saved generation) Make it voluntary, let the brightest kids pass a test and place them in boarding schools and let them return home for a week per year.

Leftards are dead against smart people, they actually promote stupidity whenever they can, the left/ right divide is actually a war between the dumbarse left and the intelligent,  the last thing the left want is another smart business owner getting in the way of the socialist revolution, what they actually want is more clueless dumbarse foot soldiers for the cause, this is why they love the muslim. 

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The problem is the legacy of conquest, genocide, enslavement and exclusion of Aboriginals from society since 1788. If the settlers had included Aboriginals in their society since 1788 the situation would be much different. Aboriginals were excluded from voting until 1960s which signified their exclusion from Australian society.

They would still been accused of genocide for the integration of aboriginal people.

Dilution of their race by intermarriage, loss of language & culture.

Either way there is no pleasing some and no winners no matter how you spin it.

GordyL wrote on May 25^th, 2016 at 3:11pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 3:10pm: The problem is the legacy of conquest, genocide, enslavement and exclusion of Aboriginals from society since 1788. If the settlers had included Aboriginals in their society since 1788 the situation would be much different today. Today Aboriginals are still excluded from white society. Aboriginals were excluded from voting until 1960s which signified their exclusion from Australian society. Thanks for the history lesson, so what would you do today, 2016?

The problem appears intractable from the white man's aspect because no serious attempt to include Aboriginals in society has ever been made.

The only way it can ever be solved is by enabling Aboriginals to solve it themselves. Aboriginals have deep resentment at their dispossession and exclusion from society. Its a long haul requiring the nurturing of Aboriginal leadership to take control over their society.

Closet poms poisoned Aboriginal society by displacing the social structures that existed before the settlement of Australia. Nothing replaced the previous social structures which gives rise to the anarchy of today.

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 25^th, 2016 at 3:25pm:

GordyL wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 3:11pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 3:10pm: The problem is the legacy of conquest, genocide, enslavement and exclusion of Aboriginals from society since 1788. If the settlers had included Aboriginals in their society since 1788 the situation would be much different today. Today Aboriginals are still excluded from white society. Aboriginals were excluded from voting until 1960s which signified their exclusion from Australian society. Thanks for the history lesson, so what would you do today, 2016? The problem appears intractable from the white man's aspect because no serious attempt to include Aboriginals in society has ever been made. The only way it can ever be solved is by enabling Aboriginals to solve it themselves. Aboriginals have deep resentment at their dispossession and exclusion from society. Its a long haul requiring the nurturing of Aboriginal leadership to take control over their society. Closet poms poisoned Aboriginal society by displacing the social structures that existed before the settlement of Australia. Nothing replaced the previous social structures which gives rise to the anarchy of today.

They have as much power of self determination as anyone else.

If you believe anything else you're guilty of racism of lower expectations.

GordyL wrote on May 25^th, 2016 at 3:29pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 3:25pm: GordyL wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 3:11pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 3:10pm: The problem is the legacy of conquest, genocide, enslavement and exclusion of Aboriginals from society since 1788. If the settlers had included Aboriginals in their society since 1788 the situation would be much different today. Today Aboriginals are still excluded from white society. Aboriginals were excluded from voting until 1960s which signified their exclusion from Australian society. Thanks for the history lesson, so what would you do today, 2016? The problem appears intractable from the white man's aspect because no serious attempt to include Aboriginals in society has ever been made. The only way it can ever be solved is by enabling Aboriginals to solve it themselves. Aboriginals have deep resentment at their dispossession and exclusion from society. Its a long haul requiring the nurturing of Aboriginal leadership to take control over their society. Closet poms poisoned Aboriginal society by displacing the social structures that existed before the settlement of Australia. Nothing replaced the previous social structures which gives rise to the anarchy of today. They have as much power of self determination as anyone else. If you believe anything else you're guilty of racism of lower expectations.

No they don't. They are still mostly shunned and excluded by closet pom society.

You should go up there and teach Take It Till You Cry. The blackfellas might go easier on a fellow blackie.

"No One Can Make You Feel Inferior Without Your Consent"  ;)

Panther wrote on May 25^th, 2016 at 3:58pm:

"No One Can Make You Feel Inferior Without Your Consent"........ E.R. ;)

Individuals can't, but societies such as closet pom society can make Aboriginals feel inferior by policy by exclusion, oppression, denigration, dispossession and isolation.

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 25^th, 2016 at 4:03pm:

Panther wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 3:58pm: "No One Can Make You Feel Inferior Without Your Consent"........ E.R. ;) Individuals can't, but societies such as closet pom society can make Aboriginals feel inferior by policy by exclusion, oppression, denigration, dispossession and isolation.

Really, so individuals feel inferior not because they've resigned themselves to being inferior, but because society has forced them to become something contrary to the human nature born within them.

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 25^th, 2016 at 4:03pm:

Panther wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 3:58pm: "No One Can Make You Feel Inferior Without Your Consent"........ E.R. ;) Individuals can't, but societies such as closet pom society can make Aboriginals feel inferior by policy by exclusion, oppression, denigration, dispossession and isolation.

We have tried. It has failed.

I was guest lectured (I'm studying cab driving) by an aboriginal chap a few months ago. One of those "invasion day" types.

My answer to him and his ilk is yes, there was an invasion.

You lost. Sorry.

GordyL wrote on May 25^th, 2016 at 3:11pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 3:10pm: The problem is the legacy of conquest, genocide, enslavement and exclusion of Aboriginals from society since 1788. If the settlers had included Aboriginals in their society since 1788 the situation would be much different. Aboriginals were excluded from voting until 1960s which signified their exclusion from Australian society. Thanks for the history lesson, so what would you do today, 2016?

the crtics never come up with a solution do they???

I am sure the white democracy would love to know what it would take to shut them up.....

short of giving them blank ATM cards..and homes next door to a Mcdonalds I just plain dont know...

they do have better opportunities than I ever had..

they can advertise only for aboriginal only  jobs....see a whitey advertising whites only????... ::) ::) it wont happen.. yet every day there are adverts for aboriginal people only..... but they are still discriminated against..hohum..

as a white parent I was never paid to send my kids to school.. in fact I would have been fined had I not...


yet????>. oh whats the point.

Mistress Nicole wrote on May 25^th, 2016 at 4:09pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 4:03pm: Panther wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 3:58pm: "No One Can Make You Feel Inferior Without Your Consent"........ E.R. ;) Individuals can't, but societies such as closet pom society can make Aboriginals feel inferior by policy by exclusion, oppression, denigration, dispossession and isolation. We have tried. It has failed. I was guest lectured (I'm studying cab driving) by an aboriginal chap a few months ago. One of those "invasion day" types. My answer to him and his ilk is yes, there was an invasion. You lost. Sorry.

So, you can understand why some don't 'celebrtate' Australia Day, then.

Mistress Nicole wrote on May 25^th, 2016 at 4:09pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 4:03pm: Panther wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 3:58pm: "No One Can Make You Feel Inferior Without Your Consent"........ E.R. ;) Individuals can't, but societies such as closet pom society can make Aboriginals feel inferior by policy by exclusion, oppression, denigration, dispossession and isolation. We have tried. It has failed. I was guest lectured (I'm studying cab driving) by an aboriginal chap a few months ago. One of those "invasion day" types. My answer to him and his ilk is yes, there was an invasion. You lost. Sorry.

sadly with that mentality our aboriginal chums will never move forward.....they carry this self pity around like a badge of honor.....none of them were there... and one would presume the invasion killed all who were... so.... who  WROTE this  history???...

cods wrote on May 25^th, 2016 at 2:28pm:

why is it always the govts fault..??.. they provide the teachers in the first place... these communities scream we get nothhttp://www.ozpolitic.com/yabbfiles/Templates/Forum/YaBB252clean/underline.gifing the govt does nothing for us.. yet when they do.....they insult the teachers like this.. leave them too it then .. they dont want teachers bugger them.I am sure there are plenty of places around the country that will be delighted to have these people come and teach their kids...

I am so sick of this crap.  Let the Abos do their sit-down thing, don't give them freebies and see how they cope.

Those who carry on need to get a LIFE and stop thinking that a BA will make them more more important than their parents.

cods wrote on May 25^th, 2016 at 4:14pm:

GordyL wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 3:11pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 3:10pm: The problem is the legacy of conquest, genocide, enslavement and exclusion of Aboriginals from society since 1788. If the settlers had included Aboriginals in their society since 1788 the situation would be much different. Aboriginals were excluded from voting until 1960s which signified their exclusion from Australian society. Thanks for the history lesson, so what would you do today, 2016? the crtics never come up with a solution do they??? I am sure the white democracy would love to know what it would take to shut them up..... short of giving them blank ATM cards..and homes next door to a Mcdonalds I just plain dont know... they do have better opportunities than I ever had.. they can advertise only for aboriginal only  jobs....see a whitey advertising whites only????... ::) ::) it wont happen.. yet every day there are adverts for aboriginal people only..... but they are still discriminated against..hohum.. as a white parent I was never paid to send my kids to school.. in fact I would have been fined had I not... yet????>. oh whats the point.

The only concrete fact is that closet poms cocked up the situation and closet poms plead intellectual poverty when solutions are needed.

Aussie wrote on May 25^th, 2016 at 4:15pm:

Mistress Nicole wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 4:09pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 4:03pm: Panther wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 3:58pm: "No One Can Make You Feel Inferior Without Your Consent"........ E.R. ;) Individuals can't, but societies such as closet pom society can make Aboriginals feel inferior by policy by exclusion, oppression, denigration, dispossession and isolation. We have tried. It has failed. I was guest lectured (I'm studying cab driving) by an aboriginal chap a few months ago. One of those "invasion day" types. My answer to him and his ilk is yes, there was an invasion. You lost. Sorry. So, you can understand why some don't 'celebrtate' Australia Day, then.

The ones that don't celebrate Australia day are pissed off that they can longer just bash a lubra over the head and rape her when they are feeling a bit horny ... due to whites mans new rules. 

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 25^th, 2016 at 4:17pm:

cods wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 4:14pm: GordyL wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 3:11pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 3:10pm: The problem is the legacy of conquest, genocide, enslavement and exclusion of Aboriginals from society since 1788. If the settlers had included Aboriginals in their society since 1788 the situation would be much different. Aboriginals were excluded from voting until 1960s which signified their exclusion from Australian society. Thanks for the history lesson, so what would you do today, 2016? the crtics never come up with a solution do they??? I am sure the white democracy would love to know what it would take to shut them up..... short of giving them blank ATM cards..and homes next door to a Mcdonalds I just plain dont know... they do have better opportunities than I ever had.. they can advertise only for aboriginal only  jobs....see a whitey advertising whites only????... ::) ::) it wont happen.. yet every day there are adverts for aboriginal people only..... but they are still discriminated against..hohum.. as a white parent I was never paid to send my kids to school.. in fact I would have been fined had I not... yet????>. oh whats the point. The only concrete fact is that closet poms cocked up the situation and closet poms plead intellectual poverty when solutions are needed.

John Howard fixed the problem with his magnificent SRAs. What's your view?

Conquests have happened on every Continent, in virtually every Nation at one time or another since stone age.  I have not heard of other vanquished civilizations throwing themselves daily pity parties  do with the Australian Aboriginal Civilization.

The other vanquished peoples must be superior in their generic makeups, & it comes down to the fact (baring any other common shared explanation to the contrary) that a civilization must have to be on the bottom of the world's gene pool, & it's the Aboriginals of Australia that hold that 'wooden spoon' for all human kind.

Either that, or they were born with the most violins.    https://i.imgsafe.org/7f01b40.gif

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 25^th, 2016 at 4:17pm:

cods wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 4:14pm: GordyL wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 3:11pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 3:10pm: The problem is the legacy of conquest, genocide, enslavement and exclusion of Aboriginals from society since 1788. If the settlers had included Aboriginals in their society since 1788 the situation would be much different. Aboriginals were excluded from voting until 1960s which signified their exclusion from Australian society. Thanks for the history lesson, so what would you do today, 2016? the crtics never come up with a solution do they??? I am sure the white democracy would love to know what it would take to shut them up..... short of giving them blank ATM cards..and homes next door to a Mcdonalds I just plain dont know... they do have better opportunities than I ever had.. they can advertise only for aboriginal only  jobs....see a whitey advertising whites only????... ::) ::) it wont happen.. yet every day there are adverts for aboriginal people only..... but they are still discriminated against..hohum.. as a white parent I was never paid to send my kids to school.. in fact I would have been fined had I not... yet????>. oh whats the point. The only concrete fact is that closet poms cocked up the situation and closet poms plead intellectual poverty when solutions are needed.

'closet poms'   the new racist words... cant you come up with some thing more original....whiner..

its very noticeable all you do is whine and  complain..

deadset miserable.

cods wrote on May 25^th, 2016 at 5:33pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 4:17pm: cods wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 4:14pm: GordyL wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 3:11pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 3:10pm: The problem is the legacy of conquest, genocide, enslavement and exclusion of Aboriginals from society since 1788. If the settlers had included Aboriginals in their society since 1788 the situation would be much different. Aboriginals were excluded from voting until 1960s which signified their exclusion from Australian society. Thanks for the history lesson, so what would you do today, 2016? the crtics never come up with a solution do they??? I am sure the white democracy would love to know what it would take to shut them up..... short of giving them blank ATM cards..and homes next door to a Mcdonalds I just plain dont know... they do have better opportunities than I ever had.. they can advertise only for aboriginal only  jobs....see a whitey advertising whites only????... ::) ::) it wont happen.. yet every day there are adverts for aboriginal people only..... but they are still discriminated against..hohum.. as a white parent I was never paid to send my kids to school.. in fact I would have been fined had I not... yet????>. oh whats the point. The only concrete fact is that closet poms cocked up the situation and closet poms plead intellectual poverty when solutions are needed. 'closet poms'   the new racist words... cant you come up with some thing more original....whiner.. its very noticeable all you do is whine and  complain.. deadset miserable.

Poms are not a race.

Thanks for exemplifying the moral, spiritual and intellectual poverty of poms and closet poms.

Mistress Nicole wrote on May 25^th, 2016 at 4:20pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 4:17pm: cods wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 4:14pm: GordyL wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 3:11pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 3:10pm: The problem is the legacy of conquest, genocide, enslavement and exclusion of Aboriginals from society since 1788. If the settlers had included Aboriginals in their society since 1788 the situation would be much different. Aboriginals were excluded from voting until 1960s which signified their exclusion from Australian society. Thanks for the history lesson, so what would you do today, 2016? the crtics never come up with a solution do they??? I am sure the white democracy would love to know what it would take to shut them up..... short of giving them blank ATM cards..and homes next door to a Mcdonalds I just plain dont know... they do have better opportunities than I ever had.. they can advertise only for aboriginal only  jobs....see a whitey advertising whites only????... ::) ::) it wont happen.. yet every day there are adverts for aboriginal people only..... but they are still discriminated against..hohum.. as a white parent I was never paid to send my kids to school.. in fact I would have been fined had I not... yet????>. oh whats the point. The only concrete fact is that closet poms cocked up the situation and closet poms plead intellectual poverty when solutions are needed. John Howard fixed the problem with his magnificent SRAs. What's your view?

Bump.

Laugh til you cry? What are your thoughts?

I can explain what an SRA is, if you're not knowledgeable in that regard.

They attack their own ...

reminds me of a mob in Syria that has Global attention now

Scott Fatnowna the Principle at Aurukum is a blackfella

for him to want to evacuate speaks volumes

some of you city slicker doogooders with the biggest mouths

wouldn't have a clue

and your Captain is LTYC/Svengali or whatever other sock he goes by.

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 25^th, 2016 at 2:23pm:

GordyL wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 2:21pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 2:17pm: GordyL wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 2:09pm: The only thing that could sort this out is to get the kids out of this toxic environment. They NEED another stolen generation. Any kids with a bit of potential gets sent to boarding schools around the country, fully paid for. Anyone who's basically fkcued like the ones causing the trouble get cut off the public tit and the fund channeled to the young kids who still have some hope. Teachers in the Indigenous community of Aurukun in far north Queensland are being evacuated for the second time this month over safety concerns. Most of the Cape York Academy's 25 staff and teachers had only returned last Thursday but tensions again flared on the weekend. Principal Scott Fatnowna and his wife were allegedly threatened by three youths carrying machetes and knives on Saturday night when they returned home after visiting colleagues. The youths, who have been charged, allegedly took the government car for a joyride before it got bogged just out of town. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-25/aurukun-teachers-evacuated-for-second-time/7444630 An idle mind is the devil's playground. Evidently there is no employment or no creative activity available at Aurukun. Australian governments have created a cultural vacuum. The view from GordyL's crows nest is impeded by the social horizon and racial horizon. Either cut them off the dole and have them use their time hunting bush tucker or fully integrate them. Keeping them between two worlds is obviously not working. Your suggestion please? Appoint GordyL as king of the Aboriginals and unite him with his subjects.

See! No answer to the problem.

What problem?

Geeze, Louise, you can't see a problem?

Answer please.

Or shut your trap!

You've never been there or lived that life.

And you have no answer!

;D ;D ;D ;D

Mistress Nicole wrote on May 25^th, 2016 at 7:08pm:

Mistress Nicole wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 4:20pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 4:17pm: cods wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 4:14pm: GordyL wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 3:11pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 3:10pm: The problem is the legacy of conquest, genocide, enslavement and exclusion of Aboriginals from society since 1788. If the settlers had included Aboriginals in their society since 1788 the situation would be much different. Aboriginals were excluded from voting until 1960s which signified their exclusion from Australian society. Thanks for the history lesson, so what would you do today, 2016? the crtics never come up with a solution do they??? I am sure the white democracy would love to know what it would take to shut them up..... short of giving them blank ATM cards..and homes next door to a Mcdonalds I just plain dont know... they do have better opportunities than I ever had.. they can advertise only for aboriginal only  jobs....see a whitey advertising whites only????... ::) ::) it wont happen.. yet every day there are adverts for aboriginal people only..... but they are still discriminated against..hohum.. as a white parent I was never paid to send my kids to school.. in fact I would have been fined had I not... yet????>. oh whats the point. The only concrete fact is that closet poms cocked up the situation and closet poms plead intellectual poverty when solutions are needed. John Howard fixed the problem with his magnificent SRAs. What's your view? Bump. Laugh til you cry? What are your thoughts? I can explain what an SRA is, if you're not knowledgeable in that regard.

Laugh/Svengali,  some ideas please.
I don't mind taxpayers money being spent but not chucking good money after bad.

As I said,  pick the brightest and send them to boarding school to get them away from the toxic environment.  What's your solution, more soapbox proclamations?

GordyL wrote on May 25^th, 2016 at 8:15pm:

Laugh/Svengali,  some ideas please. I don't mind taxpayers money being spent but not chucking good money after bad. As I said,  pick the brightest and send them to boarding school to get them away from the toxic environment.  What's your solution, more soapbox proclamations?

I can hear the screams now. "More stolen generations!"

Yet the other option is to leave these kids in already proven dysfunctional and violent societies, with no employment prospects and no chance of escape.

To interfere or not interfere - that is the question.

Outback Aboriginal communities are the pits. There is no hope for these people. There is no chance of employment and they are being paid 'sit-down' money. Whole societies are dysfunctional on a generational level.

Can somebody present a workable solution to this existing problem on a national level?

No takers?

And you bleat about government.

FFS!

Lionel Edriess wrote on May 25^th, 2016 at 8:34pm:

GordyL wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 8:15pm: Laugh/Svengali,  some ideas please. I don't mind taxpayers money being spent but not chucking good money after bad. As I said,  pick the brightest and send them to boarding school to get them away from the toxic environment.  What's your solution, more soapbox proclamations? I can hear the screams now. "More stolen generations!" Yet the other option is to leave these kids in already proven dysfunctional and violent societies, with no employment prospects and no chance of escape. To interfere or not interfere - that is the question. Outback Aboriginal communities are the pits. There is no hope for these people. There is no chance of employment and they are being paid 'sit-down' money. Whole societies are dysfunctional on a generational level. Can somebody present a workable solution to this existing problem on a national level? No takers? And you bleat about government. FFS!

Lovely to read you gain Lionel. Hello  :)

I think Howard engineered a really good middle ground. Bloody Labor got in and ripped it up - it wasn't perfect, but there was evidence it was working. But I'm sure laugh to you cry will be along in a minute to critique it for us.

I know a guy - and I know this is anecdotal - who is a nurse in his 30s. Really genuine guy. Specialises in tropical medicine and war zones - currently in Yemen I think.

He did a stint on the lands. He came back from that very disillusioned...

they were far better off working on stations and being paid with rations and tobacco.

Lionel Edriess wrote on May 25^th, 2016 at 8:34pm:

GordyL wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 8:15pm: Laugh/Svengali,  some ideas please. I don't mind taxpayers money being spent but not chucking good money after bad. As I said,  pick the brightest and send them to boarding school to get them away from the toxic environment.  What's your solution, more soapbox proclamations? I can hear the screams now. "More stolen generations!" Yet the other option is to leave these kids in already proven dysfunctional and violent societies, with no employment prospects and no chance of escape. To interfere or not interfere - that is the question. Outback Aboriginal communities are the pits. There is no hope for these people. There is no chance of employment and they are being paid 'sit-down' money. Whole societies are dysfunctional on a generational level. Can somebody present a workable solution to this existing problem on a national level? No takers? And you bleat about government. FFS!

One of the reasons we have government is to resolve these issues.  They are supposed to be the lifters, not the leaners.

Aussie wrote on May 25^th, 2016 at 8:49pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 8:34pm: GordyL wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 8:15pm: Laugh/Svengali,  some ideas please. I don't mind taxpayers money being spent but not chucking good money after bad. As I said,  pick the brightest and send them to boarding school to get them away from the toxic environment.  What's your solution, more soapbox proclamations? I can hear the screams now. "More stolen generations!" Yet the other option is to leave these kids in already proven dysfunctional and violent societies, with no employment prospects and no chance of escape. To interfere or not interfere - that is the question. Outback Aboriginal communities are the pits. There is no hope for these people. There is no chance of employment and they are being paid 'sit-down' money. Whole societies are dysfunctional on a generational level. Can somebody present a workable solution to this existing problem on a national level? No takers? And you bleat about government. FFS! One of the reasons we have government is to resolve these issues.  They are supposed to be the lifters, not the leaners.

Could you perhaps explain what you mean by that, exactly, Oz? 

Follow your critique with a solution. I'll happily follow up with mine.

Aboriginals are at Aurukun because there has been a longstanding (since 1788) policy of dispossession and exclusion from white society.

"As ye sow, so shall ye reap."

The principle of exclusion from closet pom society is now a part of Aboriginal culture.

The name is Aussie, not Oz.

This is the explanation:


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One of the reasons we have government is to resolve these issues.  They are supposed to be the lifters, not the leaners.

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 25^th, 2016 at 8:53pm:

Aboriginals are at Aurukun because there has been a longstanding (since 1788) policy of dispossession and exclusion from white society. "As ye sow, so shall ye reap." The principle of exclusion from closet pom society is now a part of Aboriginal culture.

Oh, I can see that!

The Aboriginal population in Tasmania has seen a dramatic increase in the last 150 years as a result of 'exclusionist' policy.

You're misnamed!

You're a laugh a minute!

Lionel Edriess wrote on May 25^th, 2016 at 9:00pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 8:53pm: Aboriginals are at Aurukun because there has been a longstanding (since 1788) policy of dispossession and exclusion from white society. "As ye sow, so shall ye reap." The principle of exclusion from closet pom society is now a part of Aboriginal culture. Oh, I can see that! The Aboriginal population in Tasmania has seen a dramatic increase in the last 150 years as a result of 'exclusionist' policy. You're misnamed! You're a laugh a minute!

Lionel Edriess may rejoice, laugh and joke about genocide and extermination of people. Decent moral people don't see it as humorous. Quite the contrary.

An increase of one from total extermination is dramatic.

A genocide of total extermination and extinction was perpetrated by closet poms in Tasmania.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truganini


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Fanny Cochrane Smith (1834–1905), outlived Truganini by 30 years and in 1889 was officially recognised as the last full-blood Tasmanian Aboriginal. Smith recorded songs in her native language, the only audio recordings that exist of an indigenous Tasmanian language

Aussie wrote on May 25^th, 2016 at 8:57pm:

The name is Aussie, not Oz. This is the explanation: Quote: One of the reasons we have government is to resolve these issues.  They are supposed to be the lifters, not the leaners.

I am asking you to clarify your second sentence, with reference to policy, and then explain what you would do. I solution, if you like. Oz.

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 25^th, 2016 at 9:04pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 9:00pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 8:53pm: Aboriginals are at Aurukun because there has been a longstanding (since 1788) policy of dispossession and exclusion from white society. "As ye sow, so shall ye reap." The principle of exclusion from closet pom society is now a part of Aboriginal culture. Oh, I can see that! The Aboriginal population in Tasmania has seen a dramatic increase in the last 150 years as a result of 'exclusionist' policy. You're misnamed! You're a laugh a minute! Lionel Edriess may rejoice, laugh and joke about genocide and extermination of people. Decent moral people don't see it as humorous. Quite the contrary. An increase of one from total extermination is dramatic. A genocide of total extermination and extinction was perpetrated by closet poms in Tasmania. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truganini Quote: Fanny Cochrane Smith (1834–1905), outlived Truganini by 30 years and in 1889 was officially recognised as the last full-blood Tasmanian Aboriginal. Smith recorded songs in her native language, the only audio recordings that exist of an indigenous Tasmanian language

More history lessons.  Any practical solutions?
Though not

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 25^th, 2016 at 9:04pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 9:00pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 8:53pm: Aboriginals are at Aurukun because there has been a longstanding (since 1788) policy of dispossession and exclusion from white society. "As ye sow, so shall ye reap." The principle of exclusion from closet pom society is now a part of Aboriginal culture. Oh, I can see that! The Aboriginal population in Tasmania has seen a dramatic increase in the last 150 years as a result of 'exclusionist' policy. You're misnamed! You're a laugh a minute! Lionel Edriess may rejoice, laugh and joke about genocide and extermination of people. Decent moral people don't see it as humorous. Quite the contrary. An increase of one from total extermination is dramatic. A genocide of total extermination and extinction was perpetrated by closet poms in Tasmania. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truganini Quote: Fanny Cochrane Smith (1834–1905), outlived Truganini by 30 years and in 1889 was officially recognised as the last full-blood Tasmanian Aboriginal. Smith recorded songs in her native language, the only audio recordings that exist of an indigenous Tasmanian language

So, what do you propose we do? Share your idea of fixing it.

Then I'll do the same. I have ideas. Do you? Or do you just want to sit on the sidelines lobbing spitballs.

Any fool can do that. Show me your not a fool.

Mistress Nicole wrote on May 25^th, 2016 at 9:11pm:

Aussie wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 8:57pm: The name is Aussie, not Oz. This is the explanation: Quote: One of the reasons we have government is to resolve these issues.  They are supposed to be the lifters, not the leaners. I am asking you to clarify your second sentence, with reference to policy, and then explain what you would do. I solution, if you like. Oz.

If you cannot give me the simple courtesy of referring to me by my 'name,' no I will not make any clarification for you.  None ought be necessary, anyway.

Aussie wrote on May 25^th, 2016 at 9:15pm:

Mistress Nicole wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 9:11pm: Aussie wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 8:57pm: The name is Aussie, not Oz. This is the explanation: Quote: One of the reasons we have government is to resolve these issues.  They are supposed to be the lifters, not the leaners. I am asking you to clarify your second sentence, with reference to policy, and then explain what you would do. I solution, if you like. Oz. If you cannot give me the simple courtesy of referring to me by my 'name,' no I will not make any clarification for you.  None ought be necessary, anyway.

I thought so. You've got nothing.

Next.

Laugh til you cry your turn. Show us all you're not a lightweight like Oz.

Aussie wrote on May 25^th, 2016 at 9:15pm:

Mistress Nicole wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 9:11pm: Aussie wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 8:57pm: The name is Aussie, not Oz. This is the explanation: Quote: One of the reasons we have government is to resolve these issues.  They are supposed to be the lifters, not the leaners. I am asking you to clarify your second sentence, with reference to policy, and then explain what you would do. I solution, if you like. Oz. If you cannot give me the simple courtesy of referring to me by my 'name,' no I will not make any clarification for you.  None ought be necessary, anyway.

Poor Adityahas has his vindaloo in a knot

Aboriginals have deep resentment at their dispossession and exclusion from society. A change in their social circumstances and place in society is a long haul requiring the nurturing of Aboriginal leadership to take control over their society.

The evident solution is for the government to invoke a genuine policy of inclusion and empowerment. Aboriginals need to be fully included in closet pom society not the blatantly false, patronizing, policies of the past.

The problem appears intractable from the white man's aspect because no serious attempt to include Aboriginals in society has ever been made.

The only way it can ever be solved is by enabling Aboriginals to solve it themselves.

Closet poms poisoned Aboriginal society by displacing the social structures that existed before the settlement of Australia. Nothing replaced the previous social structures which gives rise to the anarchy of today. New social structures need to be developed that link and include Aboriginals in mainstream closet pom society.

Aurukun is having some problems. That doesn't mean everyone who lives there wants to beat up teachers. What we are seeing is social Darwinism. It'll either work, or it won't. there are plenty of indigenous people who want to see it work.  As everywhere, the problem is with young males who are being fed bad ideas. And Svengali, you can't blame white people for everything, even if it makes you feel good about your pathetic place in the world.

issuevoter wrote on May 25^th, 2016 at 9:55pm:

Aurukun is having some problems. That doesn't mean everyone who lives there wants to beat up teachers. What we are seeing is social Darwinism. It'll either work, or it won't. there are plenty of indigenous people who want to see it work.  As everywhere, the problem is with young males who are being fed bad ideas. And Svengali, you can't blame white people for everything, even if it makes you feel good about your pathetic place in the world.

With respect, it's not just young males getting fed bad ideas - this issue permeates the whole of aboriginal communities. And it's getting worse - children are being removed at the rates of five times the 'stolen generations'.

issuevoter wrote on May 25^th, 2016 at 9:55pm:

Aurukun is having some problems. That doesn't mean everyone who lives there wants to beat up teachers. What we are seeing is social Darwinism. It'll either work, or it won't. there are plenty of indigenous people who want to see it work.  As everywhere, the problem is with young males who are being fed bad ideas. And Svengali, you can't blame white people for everything, even if it makes you feel good about your pathetic place in the world.

Its not getting better. That's a failure of governments.

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 25^th, 2016 at 10:17pm:

issuevoter wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 9:55pm: Aurukun is having some problems. That doesn't mean everyone who lives there wants to beat up teachers. What we are seeing is social Darwinism. It'll either work, or it won't. there are plenty of indigenous people who want to see it work.  As everywhere, the problem is with young males who are being fed bad ideas. And Svengali, you can't blame white people for everything, even if it makes you feel good about your pathetic place in the world. Its not getting better. That's a failure of governments.

You say that, but you clearly know nothing of governments policies. And you make no concrete suggestions beyond "blame it on government".

Nicole Page 2016, you told LTYC that you would offer your solution after he posted his.


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So, what do you propose we do? Share your idea of fixing it. Then I'll do the same. I have ideas. Do you? Or do you just want to sit on the sidelines lobbing spitballs.

Your turn.

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 25^th, 2016 at 9:43pm:

Aboriginals have deep resentment at their dispossession and exclusion from society. A change in their social circumstances and place in society is a long haul requiring the nurturing of Aboriginal leadership to take control over their society. The evident solution is for the government to invoke a genuine policy of inclusion and empowerment. Aboriginals need to be fully included in closet pom society not the blatantly false, patronizing, policies of the past. The problem appears intractable from the white man's aspect because no serious attempt to include Aboriginals in society has ever been made. The only way it can ever be solved is by enabling Aboriginals to solve it themselves. Closet poms poisoned Aboriginal society by displacing the social structures that existed before the settlement of Australia. Nothing replaced the previous social structures which gives rise to the anarchy of today. New social structures need to be developed that link and include Aboriginals in mainstream closet pom society.

They need to assimilate.  One country, one set of rules for all. End of story.

@ Laugh


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Aboriginals have deep resentment at their dispossession and exclusion from society.

Yes, we are agreed on that. How do you suggest we quell this resentment?


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A change in their social circumstances and place in society is a long haul requiring the nurturing of Aboriginal leadership to take control over their society.

Yes!! That's right!!

How do we do it?


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The evident solution is for the government to invoke a genuine policy of inclusion and empowerment. Aboriginals need to be fully included in closet pom society not the blatantly false, patronizing, policies of the past.

Yes yes yes!! You're giving Oz a raging hard-on.

How do we go about it?



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The problem appears intractable from the white man's aspect because no serious attempt to include Aboriginals in society has ever been made.

No. That would be considered genocide...they want to be included, yet they want to be a separate tribe. How do you suggest we achieve that?


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The only way it can ever be solved is by enabling Aboriginals to solve it themselves.

I'm sick of your high platitudes. Roll your sleeves up and tell me how "we enable Abos to solves it themselves"?


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Closet poms poisoned Aboriginal society by displacing the social structures that existed before the settlement of Australia. Nothing replaced the previous social structures which gives rise to the anarchy of today. New social structures need to be developed that link and include Aboriginals in mainstream closet pom society.

Awesome solution. We'll just do that. How will you implement it?

Aussie wrote on May 25^th, 2016 at 10:49pm:

Nicole Page 2016, you told LTYC that you would offer your solution after he posted his. Quote: So, what do you propose we do? Share your idea of fixing it. Then I'll do the same. I have ideas. Do you? Or do you just want to sit on the sidelines lobbing spitballs. Your turn.

Oh, I will Oz. You can depend on it.

But how about you little man? At least laugh is having a go.

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 25^th, 2016 at 8:53pm:

Aboriginals are at Aurukun because there has been a longstanding (since 1788) policy of dispossession and exclusion from white society. "As ye sow, so shall ye reap." The principle of exclusion from closet pom society is now a part of Aboriginal culture.

That confirms that the Australian Aboriginal's genetic makeup is severely flawed, & inferior to that of other Aboriginal peoples world wide because, in all that time, they have failed to advance beyond a 'victimized' stage of development, unlike like most all the other dominated races in vanquished lands that have mastered their prior limitations through innovation, & advanced by overcoming societal roadblocks while strengthening their cultures.

Panther wrote on May 26^th, 2016 at 12:06am:

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 8:53pm: Aboriginals are at Aurukun because there has been a longstanding (since 1788) policy of dispossession and exclusion from white society. "As ye sow, so shall ye reap." The principle of exclusion from closet pom society is now a part of Aboriginal culture. That confirms that the Australian Aboriginal's generic makeup is severely flawed, & inferior to that of other Aboriginal peoples world wide because, in all that time, they have failed to advance beyond a 'victimized' stage of development, unlike like most all the other dominated races in vanquished lands that have mastered their prior limitations through inovation, & advanced by overcoming societal roadblocks while strengthening their cultures.

"Generic make up?" What TF is that supposed to mean?

The dux of the school at yarrabah (a community near cairns) could not pass the test to get a job at Mcdonalds.

Currently the spend per aboriginal child on education is 28,000 or over 2 and 1/2 times the spend on other kids.

The  problem will not be solved by money.

The aboriginal community at Arakun is in the middle of the best beef country in australia.

Cattle in this area cannot be sent to an abbatoir as it is impossible to process meat in these remote areas which do not have the technical skill to run an abbatoir.

But live cattle are a very viable operation and aboriginals are naturally good stockmen.

for the cost of all this wasted education, we could buy a very good live cattle export ship live the "pacific drover"
aboriginals could staff it and learn maratime skills,
they would get the self esteem boost of sailing to indonesia , seeing foreign countries, learning new skills, a solid income, enormous opportunities for expansion.

This would be a great plan to rebuild these communities.

Or the wankers in canberra and the white gravy train aboriginal industry can continue to sentence aborigines to alcoholism, petrol sniffing, no future, suicide and incarceration.

How about it lefties,  live cattle is certainly a win/win

build a wall around it.

genetic (spellchecker on steroids)

Aquatrousers is advocating slavery and a gulag for Aboriginals. Asian countries are currently eliminating such practices while cretins like Aquatrousers is advocating their introduction to Australia.

Closet poms with the Aquatrousers state of mind were responsible for the genocide in Tasmania and elsewhere in Australia.

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 26^th, 2016 at 8:58am:

Aquatrousers is advocating slavery and a gulag for Aboriginals. Asian countries are currently eliminating such practices while cretins like Aquatrousers is advocating their introduction to Australia. Closet poms with the Aquatrousers state of mind were responsible for the genocide in Tasmania and elsewhere in Australia.

Here is proof people like Laugh/Svengali are perpetuating the problem.

'Passive racism' behind poor school attendance: Scullion
Mr Scullion said it was unfortunate that school attendance was seen as a choice in some Indigenous communities.

"I think the passive racism that has allowed that to happen over years and years in this country, that it's OK, for example, for my children, serial truants as I was, to be chased up and I got rung to go to school," he said.

"But the kids they were wagging with were all Aboriginal children.

"They were their best mates.

"Those Aboriginal children never got a phone call."

aquascoot wrote on May 26^th, 2016 at 7:28am:

The dux of the school at yarrabah (a community near cairns) could not pass the test to get a job at Mcdonalds. Currently the spend per aboriginal child on education is 28,000 or over 2 and 1/2 times the spend on other kids.

Just heard a great interview on ABC radio, I'll try find a link later but something about how an Indigenous education foundation was targeting the brightest kids in these communities and fully funding them to be sent away to the countries best boarding schools. (wink wink who's mentioned this about 10 times in this thread).

Most of the kids do really will and will probably end up in a position to go back to their communities and become real leaders.

GordyL wrote on May 26^th, 2016 at 9:06am:

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 8:58am: Aquatrousers is advocating slavery and a gulag for Aboriginals. Asian countries are currently eliminating such practices while cretins like Aquatrousers is advocating their introduction to Australia. Closet poms with the Aquatrousers state of mind were responsible for the genocide in Tasmania and elsewhere in Australia. Here is proof people like Laugh/Svengali are perpetuating the problem. 'Passive racism' behind poor school attendance: Scullion Mr Scullion said it was unfortunate that school attendance was seen as a choice in some Indigenous communities. "I think the passive racism that has allowed that to happen over years and years in this country, that it's OK, for example, for my children, serial truants as I was, to be chased up and I got rung to go to school," he said. "But the kids they were wagging with were all Aboriginal children. "They were their best mates. "Those Aboriginal children never got a phone call."

The Aboriginals didn't have phones. The truancy officials failed in their duty.

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 26^th, 2016 at 8:58am:

Aquatrousers is advocating slavery and a gulag for Aboriginals. Asian countries are currently eliminating such practices while cretins like Aquatrousers is advocating their introduction to Australia. Closet poms with the Aquatrousers state of mind were responsible for the genocide in Tasmania and elsewhere in Australia.

Aquatrousers sees solutions whilst the white public service Aboriginal Industry see pawns to be used to ensure the flow of gravy to whities continues. ;)

GordyL wrote on May 26^th, 2016 at 9:13am:

aquascoot wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 7:28am: The dux of the school at yarrabah (a community near cairns) could not pass the test to get a job at Mcdonalds. Currently the spend per aboriginal child on education is 28,000 or over 2 and 1/2 times the spend on other kids. Just heard a great interview on ABC radio, I'll try find a link later but something about how an Indigenous education foundation was targeting the brightest kids in these communities and fully funding them to be sent away to the countries best boarding schools. (wink wink who's mentioned this about 10 times in this thread). Most of the kids do really will and will probably end up in a position to go back to their communities and become real leaders.

the white public service gravy train will call this "a new stolen generation".
the white public service aboriginal industry (which has spent 100 billion since gough created it) will never give up their power.
their power is dependant on labelling anyone who wants to truly help aborigines (you and me) as racist whilst continuing to amass their public sector super and go "tsk tsk"

GordyL wrote on May 26^th, 2016 at 9:13am:

aquascoot wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 7:28am: The dux of the school at yarrabah (a community near cairns) could not pass the test to get a job at Mcdonalds. Currently the spend per aboriginal child on education is 28,000 or over 2 and 1/2 times the spend on other kids. Just heard a great interview on ABC radio, I'll try find a link later but something about how an Indigenous education foundation was targeting the brightest kids in these communities and fully funding them to be sent away to the countries best boarding schools. (wink wink who's mentioned this about 10 times in this thread). Most of the kids do really will and will probably end up in a position to go back to their communities and become real leaders.

GordyL is an evident bigot and racist blind to rationality and logic.

People from deprived communities who are educated don't go back to those communities because there are no opportunities for advancement in those societies and the gravity of the deprivation pulls them back into the state of deprivation.

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 26^th, 2016 at 9:29am:

GordyL wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 9:13am: aquascoot wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 7:28am: The dux of the school at yarrabah (a community near cairns) could not pass the test to get a job at Mcdonalds. Currently the spend per aboriginal child on education is 28,000 or over 2 and 1/2 times the spend on other kids. Just heard a great interview on ABC radio, I'll try find a link later but something about how an Indigenous education foundation was targeting the brightest kids in these communities and fully funding them to be sent away to the countries best boarding schools. (wink wink who's mentioned this about 10 times in this thread). Most of the kids do really will and will probably end up in a position to go back to their communities and become real leaders. GordyL is an evident bigot and racist blind to rationality and logic. People from deprived communities who are educated don't go back to those communities because there are no opportunities for advancement in those societies and the gravity of the deprivation pulls them back into the state of deprivation.

I'm advocating kids be given fully paid spots in the best schools in Australia.  The world needs more racists like me

GordyL wrote on May 26^th, 2016 at 9:41am:

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 9:29am: GordyL wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 9:13am: aquascoot wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 7:28am: The dux of the school at yarrabah (a community near cairns) could not pass the test to get a job at Mcdonalds. Currently the spend per aboriginal child on education is 28,000 or over 2 and 1/2 times the spend on other kids. Just heard a great interview on ABC radio, I'll try find a link later but something about how an Indigenous education foundation was targeting the brightest kids in these communities and fully funding them to be sent away to the countries best boarding schools. (wink wink who's mentioned this about 10 times in this thread). Most of the kids do really will and will probably end up in a position to go back to their communities and become real leaders. GordyL is an evident bigot and racist blind to rationality and logic. People from deprived communities who are educated don't go back to those communities because there are no opportunities for advancement in those societies and the gravity of the deprivation pulls them back into the state of deprivation. I'm advocating kids be given fully paid spots in the best schools in Australia.  The world needs more racists like me

So that the children of Australia's GordyL racists and bigots can abuse and torment them?

aquascoot wrote on May 26^th, 2016 at 9:24am:

[ the white public service gravy train will call this "a new stolen generation". the white public service aboriginal industry (which has spent 100 billion since gough created it) will never give up their power. their power is dependant on labelling anyone who wants to truly help aborigines (you and me) as racist whilst continuing to amass their public sector super and go "tsk tsk"

Exactly.

ian wrote on May 26^th, 2016 at 9:59am:

aquascoot wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 9:24am: [ the white public service gravy train will call this "a new stolen generation". the white public service aboriginal industry (which has spent 100 billion since gough created it) will never give up their power. their power is dependant on labelling anyone who wants to truly help aborigines (you and me) as racist whilst continuing to amass their public sector super and go "tsk tsk" Exactly.

The possibility that Aquatrousers and ian want to help Aboriginals: Fat chance.

These are two of the biggest bigots and racists on Ozpolitic.

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 25^th, 2016 at 8:53pm:

Aboriginals are at Aurukun because there has been a longstanding (since 1788) policy of dispossession and exclusion from white society. "As ye sow, so shall ye reap." The principle of exclusion from closet pom society is now a part of Aboriginal culture.

Rubbish they are there because that's their country & that's where they want to be .....

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 25^th, 2016 at 9:04pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 9:00pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 8:53pm: Aboriginals are at Aurukun because there has been a longstanding (since 1788) policy of dispossession and exclusion from white society. "As ye sow, so shall ye reap." The principle of exclusion from closet pom society is now a part of Aboriginal culture. Oh, I can see that! The Aboriginal population in Tasmania has seen a dramatic increase in the last 150 years as a result of 'exclusionist' policy. You're misnamed! You're a laugh a minute! Lionel Edriess may rejoice, laugh and joke about genocide and extermination of people. Decent moral people don't see it as humorous. Quite the contrary. An increase of one from total extermination is dramatic. A genocide of total extermination and extinction was perpetrated by closet poms in Tasmania. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truganini Quote: Fanny Cochrane Smith (1834–1905), outlived Truganini by 30 years and in 1889 was officially recognised as the last full-blood Tasmanian Aboriginal. Smith recorded songs in her native language, the only audio recordings that exist of an indigenous Tasmanian language

You can't make up your mind ... in one breath you're on about exclusionist policy then you talk about Tasmania & the last full blood aboriginal ... whilst the descendants  of such have been integrated into society.

If you want to maintain the premise of full blood Aboriginal then you will have to exclude them because they will mix with other races and dilute their Aboriginal blood line.

Funny how that exclusionist policy has seen  the increase of people in Australia who identify as Aboriginal or Islander ... even the blonde,blue eyed variety.

Oh yeah & that's because of deliberate govt. policy to breed them out isn't it?  ::)

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 25^th, 2016 at 9:43pm:

Aboriginals have deep resentment at their dispossession and exclusion from society. A change in their social circumstances and place in society is a long haul requiring the nurturing of Aboriginal leadership to take control over their society. The evident solution is for the government to invoke a genuine policy of inclusion and empowerment. Aboriginals need to be fully included in closet pom society not the blatantly false, patronizing, policies of the past. The problem appears intractable from the white man's aspect because no serious attempt to include Aboriginals in society has ever been made. The only way it can ever be solved is by enabling Aboriginals to solve it themselves. Closet poms poisoned Aboriginal society by displacing the social structures that existed before the settlement of Australia. Nothing replaced the previous social structures which gives rise to the anarchy of today. New social structures need to be developed that link and include Aboriginals in mainstream closet pom society.

Commonly called a "chip on your shoulder" ... instilled into them to this very day by their parents & making them a continuation of the victimhood industry.

So ironic when you have youths & younger ones calling people Captain Cook White Tnuc when they have a large percentage of Capt. Cook in their background.

Gnads wrote on May 26^th, 2016 at 11:49am:

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 9:43pm: Aboriginals have deep resentment at their dispossession and exclusion from society. A change in their social circumstances and place in society is a long haul requiring the nurturing of Aboriginal leadership to take control over their society. The evident solution is for the government to invoke a genuine policy of inclusion and empowerment. Aboriginals need to be fully included in closet pom society not the blatantly false, patronizing, policies of the past. The problem appears intractable from the white man's aspect because no serious attempt to include Aboriginals in society has ever been made. The only way it can ever be solved is by enabling Aboriginals to solve it themselves. Closet poms poisoned Aboriginal society by displacing the social structures that existed before the settlement of Australia. Nothing replaced the previous social structures which gives rise to the anarchy of today. New social structures need to be developed that link and include Aboriginals in mainstream closet pom society. Commonly called a "chip on your shoulder" ... instilled into them to this very day by their parents & making them a continuation of the victimhood industry. So ironic when you have youths & younger ones calling people Captain Cook White Tnuc when they have a large percentage of Capt. Cook in their background.

Oh well. They'll soon be teaching and treating their own kids when the whities abandon ship.

Panther wrote on May 26^th, 2016 at 12:06am:

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 8:53pm: Aboriginals are at Aurukun because there has been a longstanding (since 1788) policy of dispossession and exclusion from white society. "As ye sow, so shall ye reap." The principle of exclusion from closet pom society is now a part of Aboriginal culture. That confirms that the Australian Aboriginal's genetic makeup is severely flawed, & inferior to that of other Aboriginal peoples world wide because, in all that time, they have failed to advance beyond a 'victimized' stage of development, unlike like most all the other dominated races in vanquished lands that have mastered their prior limitations through innovation, & advanced by overcoming societal roadblocks while strengthening their cultures.

Possibly, but consider this.

Australia is the only Commonwealth nation not to have a treaty with it's original inhabitants.

It was considered far easier to impose the concept of Terra Nullius.

Although Commonwealth law was supposed to afford (in theory) equal rights to Aboriginal people, their rights were severely restricted.

In fact you had to be issued a piece of paper to prove to others that you were entitled equal rights.

It looked something like this

http://nationalunitygovernment.org/images/2013/cert_exempt.jpg

In order to have the same rights as white people in our country they had to first be issued this exemption and then show it on demand to any who asked for it.

Even then many were denied that which was theirs by right.

Institutionalised racism: Things Aboriginal people are tired of hearing

"Not being racist or anything but ..."

"Do you pay rent or did you get that house for free?"

"What year did the last aboriginal tasmanian die?"

"I am not racist, I went to school with a Darkie"

"Are you like, a proper, real life Aborigine. Cos I've never met one before"

"Get over it"

"You sure your Aboriginal? You don't have a flat nose"

"But you speak really well for an aboriginal person"

"So do you have people in your family that are like, BLACKER than you?"

"So, you get money from the government, right?"

"Go to school the Aboriginal way cos you'll never make it the white way"

"You're really pretty for an Aboriginal"

"Stop obsessing over the past."

"But we don't think of you as Aboriginal, you're normal."

"You get all the benefits"

"I know you're Aboriginal but you're not like those other ones"

Raven wrote on May 26^th, 2016 at 12:32pm:

Institutionalised racism: Things Aboriginal people are tired of hearing "Not being racist or anything but ..." "Do you pay rent or did you get that house for free?" "What year did the last aboriginal tasmanian die?" "I am not racist, I went to school with a Darkie" "Are you like, a proper, real life Aborigine. Cos I've never met one before" "Get over it" "You sure your Aboriginal? You don't have a flat nose" "But you speak really well for an aboriginal person" "So do you have people in your family that are like, BLACKER than you?" "So, you get money from the government, right?" "Go to school the Aboriginal way cos you'll never make it the white way" "You're really pretty for an Aboriginal" "Stop obsessing over the past." "But we don't think of you as Aboriginal, you're normal." "You get all the benefits" "I know you're Aboriginal but you're not like those other ones"

Isn't this thread about a lawless and out of control aboriginal community? We've gotten off track.

The misconduct of the closet poms continues:

http://theconversation.com/indigenous-reconciliation-in-australia-still-a-bridge-too-far-54336


Quote:

The effects of more than 200 years of dispossession, racism and discrimination have left many Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people with low levels of education, an inability to gain meaningful employment, over-representated in the prison system, and appalling housing conditions. Reconciliation provides a legacy platform for our continued growth and prosperity as a nation.  Michael Coghlan/Flickr, CC BY-SA Too many recommendations made for and by Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people over decades have never been acted on. Instead, poorly designed policies made on their behalf are funded and enacted. More weighty and bewildering government reports will not assist reconciliation, and even if they make governments feel like something is being done. But it’s not all bleak. Community-led movements such as Change the Record, Just Reinvest NSW and Empowered Communities are all working, in different ways, to tackle Indigenous disadvantage. Part of their success comes from changing the way Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people’s issues are talked about and addressed – from one of deficit in which people are described as problematic to one of empowerment and strength. A deep need Reconciliation is not an outcome or a goal as much as a relationship and an ongoing journey. It’s vital for the long-term well-being of settler nations – for their identity, history, polity and nationhood. But whatever its terms or whoever its participants, reconciliation will be no more than a series of slogans if settler Australians cannot come to a just understanding with Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Australians. It’s now 25 years since the establishment of the Council for Aboriginal Reconciliation, now Reconciliation Australia. That’s 25 years since Australia started a national conversation about how to become reconciled, equitable and just. There have been many achievements, disappointments and challenges since then in the process of healing the deep rift between Indigenous and non-Indigenous Australians. But despite all the backlashes, put-downs, trivialisation and wedge politics, Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people have come back stronger, more articulate, more practical, more resilient and surer of their capacity to contribute. And they’re also surer of what they expect from their contribution. Reconciliation provides a legacy platform for our continued growth and prosperity as a nation. It’s time to make it happen.

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 26^th, 2016 at 12:47pm:

The misconduct of the closet poms continues: http://theconversation.com/indigenous-reconciliation-in-australia-still-a-bridge-too-far-54336 Quote: The effects of more than 200 years of dispossession, racism and discrimination have left many Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people with low levels of education, an inability to gain meaningful employment, over-representated in the prison system, and appalling housing conditions. Reconciliation provides a legacy platform for our continued growth and prosperity as a nation.  Michael Coghlan/Flickr, CC BY-SA Too many recommendations made for and by Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people over decades have never been acted on. Instead, poorly designed policies made on their behalf are funded and enacted. More weighty and bewildering government reports will not assist reconciliation, and even if they make governments feel like something is being done. But it’s not all bleak. Community-led movements such as Change the Record, Just Reinvest NSW and Empowered Communities are all working, in different ways, to tackle Indigenous disadvantage. Part of their success comes from changing the way Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people’s issues are talked about and addressed – from one of deficit in which people are described as problematic to one of empowerment and strength. A deep need Reconciliation is not an outcome or a goal as much as a relationship and an ongoing journey. It’s vital for the long-term well-being of settler nations – for their identity, history, polity and nationhood. But whatever its terms or whoever its participants, reconciliation will be no more than a series of slogans if settler Australians cannot come to a just understanding with Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Australians. It’s now 25 years since the establishment of the Council for Aboriginal Reconciliation, now Reconciliation Australia. That’s 25 years since Australia started a national conversation about how to become reconciled, equitable and just. There have been many achievements, disappointments and challenges since then in the process of healing the deep rift between Indigenous and non-Indigenous Australians. But despite all the backlashes, put-downs, trivialisation and wedge politics, Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people have come back stronger, more articulate, more practical, more resilient and surer of their capacity to contribute. And they’re also surer of what they expect from their contribution. Reconciliation provides a legacy platform for our continued growth and prosperity as a nation. It’s time to make it happen.

I wish I could blame my conduct on things that happened hundreds of years ago.

Mr Hammer wrote on May 26^th, 2016 at 12:52pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 12:47pm: The misconduct of the closet poms continues: http://theconversation.com/indigenous-reconciliation-in-australia-still-a-bridge-too-far-54336 Quote: The effects of more than 200 years of dispossession, racism and discrimination have left many Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people with low levels of education, an inability to gain meaningful employment, over-representated in the prison system, and appalling housing conditions. Reconciliation provides a legacy platform for our continued growth and prosperity as a nation.  Michael Coghlan/Flickr, CC BY-SA Too many recommendations made for and by Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people over decades have never been acted on. Instead, poorly designed policies made on their behalf are funded and enacted. More weighty and bewildering government reports will not assist reconciliation, and even if they make governments feel like something is being done. But it’s not all bleak. Community-led movements such as Change the Record, Just Reinvest NSW and Empowered Communities are all working, in different ways, to tackle Indigenous disadvantage. Part of their success comes from changing the way Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people’s issues are talked about and addressed – from one of deficit in which people are described as problematic to one of empowerment and strength. A deep need Reconciliation is not an outcome or a goal as much as a relationship and an ongoing journey. It’s vital for the long-term well-being of settler nations – for their identity, history, polity and nationhood. But whatever its terms or whoever its participants, reconciliation will be no more than a series of slogans if settler Australians cannot come to a just understanding with Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Australians. It’s now 25 years since the establishment of the Council for Aboriginal Reconciliation, now Reconciliation Australia. That’s 25 years since Australia started a national conversation about how to become reconciled, equitable and just. There have been many achievements, disappointments and challenges since then in the process of healing the deep rift between Indigenous and non-Indigenous Australians. But despite all the backlashes, put-downs, trivialisation and wedge politics, Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people have come back stronger, more articulate, more practical, more resilient and surer of their capacity to contribute. And they’re also surer of what they expect from their contribution. Reconciliation provides a legacy platform for our continued growth and prosperity as a nation. It’s time to make it happen. I wish I could blame my conduct on things that happened hundreds of years ago.

I blame it on the conception of Mr. Hammer's ancestors.

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 26^th, 2016 at 12:54pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 12:52pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 12:47pm: The misconduct of the closet poms continues: http://theconversation.com/indigenous-reconciliation-in-australia-still-a-bridge-too-far-54336 Quote: The effects of more than 200 years of dispossession, racism and discrimination have left many Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people with low levels of education, an inability to gain meaningful employment, over-representated in the prison system, and appalling housing conditions. Reconciliation provides a legacy platform for our continued growth and prosperity as a nation.  Michael Coghlan/Flickr, CC BY-SA Too many recommendations made for and by Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people over decades have never been acted on. Instead, poorly designed policies made on their behalf are funded and enacted. More weighty and bewildering government reports will not assist reconciliation, and even if they make governments feel like something is being done. But it’s not all bleak. Community-led movements such as Change the Record, Just Reinvest NSW and Empowered Communities are all working, in different ways, to tackle Indigenous disadvantage. Part of their success comes from changing the way Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people’s issues are talked about and addressed – from one of deficit in which people are described as problematic to one of empowerment and strength. A deep need Reconciliation is not an outcome or a goal as much as a relationship and an ongoing journey. It’s vital for the long-term well-being of settler nations – for their identity, history, polity and nationhood. But whatever its terms or whoever its participants, reconciliation will be no more than a series of slogans if settler Australians cannot come to a just understanding with Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Australians. It’s now 25 years since the establishment of the Council for Aboriginal Reconciliation, now Reconciliation Australia. That’s 25 years since Australia started a national conversation about how to become reconciled, equitable and just. There have been many achievements, disappointments and challenges since then in the process of healing the deep rift between Indigenous and non-Indigenous Australians. But despite all the backlashes, put-downs, trivialisation and wedge politics, Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people have come back stronger, more articulate, more practical, more resilient and surer of their capacity to contribute. And they’re also surer of what they expect from their contribution. Reconciliation provides a legacy platform for our continued growth and prosperity as a nation. It’s time to make it happen. I wish I could blame my conduct on things that happened hundreds of years ago. I blame it on the conception of Mr. Hammer's ancestors.

I blame your silly posts on your defective DNA. The outcome of poor Indians rooting their cousins for multiple generations.

Raven wrote on May 26^th, 2016 at 12:32pm:

Institutionalised racism: Things Aboriginal people are tired of hearing I don't want any trouble. What are you doing in my house? Why are you doing this to me? Defendant is remanded for sentencing. I haven't got any money I don't smoke.

Mr Hammer wrote on May 26^th, 2016 at 12:57pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 12:54pm: Mr Hammer wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 12:52pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 12:47pm: The misconduct of the closet poms continues: http://theconversation.com/indigenous-reconciliation-in-australia-still-a-bridge-too-far-54336 Quote: The effects of more than 200 years of dispossession, racism and discrimination have left many Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people with low levels of education, an inability to gain meaningful employment, over-representated in the prison system, and appalling housing conditions. Reconciliation provides a legacy platform for our continued growth and prosperity as a nation.  Michael Coghlan/Flickr, CC BY-SA Too many recommendations made for and by Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people over decades have never been acted on. Instead, poorly designed policies made on their behalf are funded and enacted. More weighty and bewildering government reports will not assist reconciliation, and even if they make governments feel like something is being done. But it’s not all bleak. Community-led movements such as Change the Record, Just Reinvest NSW and Empowered Communities are all working, in different ways, to tackle Indigenous disadvantage. Part of their success comes from changing the way Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people’s issues are talked about and addressed – from one of deficit in which people are described as problematic to one of empowerment and strength. A deep need Reconciliation is not an outcome or a goal as much as a relationship and an ongoing journey. It’s vital for the long-term well-being of settler nations – for their identity, history, polity and nationhood. But whatever its terms or whoever its participants, reconciliation will be no more than a series of slogans if settler Australians cannot come to a just understanding with Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Australians. It’s now 25 years since the establishment of the Council for Aboriginal Reconciliation, now Reconciliation Australia. That’s 25 years since Australia started a national conversation about how to become reconciled, equitable and just. There have been many achievements, disappointments and challenges since then in the process of healing the deep rift between Indigenous and non-Indigenous Australians. But despite all the backlashes, put-downs, trivialisation and wedge politics, Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people have come back stronger, more articulate, more practical, more resilient and surer of their capacity to contribute. And they’re also surer of what they expect from their contribution. Reconciliation provides a legacy platform for our continued growth and prosperity as a nation. It’s time to make it happen. I wish I could blame my conduct on things that happened hundreds of years ago. I blame it on the conception of Mr. Hammer's ancestors. I blame your silly posts on your defective DNA. The outcome of poor Indians rooting their cousins for multiple generations.

Sadly, they were Mr. Hammer's cousins in disguise, seeking sexual fulfillment; anally.

We need a real tough mob of coppers from Brisbane sent in in plain clothes (no badges) to sort these coons out.

Local cops phones go out of order at the time

Were is Bumper Farrell when he is needed.

Redmond Neck wrote on May 26^th, 2016 at 2:35pm:

We need a real tough mob of coppers from Brisbane sent in in plain clothes (no badges) to sort these coons out. Local cops phones go out of order at the time Were is Bumper Farrell when he is needed.

Violence begets violence. Ratcheting up the intensity and prevalence of violence is not the answer.

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 26^th, 2016 at 2:52pm:

Redmond Neck wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 2:35pm: We need a real tough mob of coppers from Brisbane sent in in plain clothes (no badges) to sort these coons out. Local cops phones go out of order at the time Were is Bumper Farrell when he is needed. Violence begets violence. Ratcheting up the intensity and prevalence of violence is not the answer.

What is the answer?

Btw you seemed to have conveniently "missed" my post. Again. Why is that?

Mistress Nicole wrote on May 26^th, 2016 at 2:59pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 2:52pm: Redmond Neck wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 2:35pm: We need a real tough mob of coppers from Brisbane sent in in plain clothes (no badges) to sort these coons out. Local cops phones go out of order at the time Were is Bumper Farrell when he is needed. Violence begets violence. Ratcheting up the intensity and prevalence of violence is not the answer. What is the answer? Btw you seemed to have conveniently "missed" my post. Again. Why is that?

Try clicking your back button several times and see if you can work out what happened, sometimes I forget to save before clicking on forum for example

Mistress Nicole wrote on May 26^th, 2016 at 2:59pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 2:52pm: Redmond Neck wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 2:35pm: We need a real tough mob of coppers from Brisbane sent in in plain clothes (no badges) to sort these coons out. Local cops phones go out of order at the time Were is Bumper Farrell when he is needed. Violence begets violence. Ratcheting up the intensity and prevalence of violence is not the answer. What is the answer? Btw you seemed to have conveniently "missed" my post. Again. Why is that?

Love is the answer.

Shall I reverse over your post and try again?

When all the white teachers and medical staff leave Aurukun the locals can wallow into a Centrelink dreadlock holiday while suffering type 2 diabetes.

Mr Hammer wrote on May 26^th, 2016 at 3:14pm:

When all the white teachers and medical staff leave Aurukun the locals can wallow into a Centrelink dreadlock holiday while suffering type 2 diabetes.

What worked for Mr. Hammer may not work for real people.

Bump...



Mistress Nicole wrote on May 25^th, 2016 at 11:36pm:

@ Laugh Quote: Aboriginals have deep resentment at their dispossession and exclusion from society. Yes, we are agreed on that. How do you suggest we quell this resentment? [quote]A change in their social circumstances and place in society is a long haul requiring the nurturing of Aboriginal leadership to take control over their society.

Yes!! That's right!!

How do we do it?


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The evident solution is for the government to invoke a genuine policy of inclusion and empowerment. Aboriginals need to be fully included in closet pom society not the blatantly false, patronizing, policies of the past.

Yes yes yes!! You're giving Oz a raging hard-on.

How do we go about it?



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The problem appears intractable from the white man's aspect because no serious attempt to include Aboriginals in society has ever been made.

No. That would be considered genocide...they want to be included, yet they want to be a separate tribe. How do you suggest we achieve that?


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The only way it can ever be solved is by enabling Aboriginals to solve it themselves.

I'm sick of your high platitudes. Roll your sleeves up and tell me how "we enable Abos to solves it themselves"?


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Closet poms poisoned Aboriginal society by displacing the social structures that existed before the settlement of Australia. Nothing replaced the previous social structures which gives rise to the anarchy of today. New social structures need to be developed that link and include Aboriginals in mainstream closet pom society.

Awesome solution. We'll just do that. How will you implement it?[/quote]

That amounts to a nothing more than a series of 'tell me hows.'  When are you going to do as promised, and tell us what your ideas are/solution is?

Aussie wrote on May 26^th, 2016 at 3:45pm:

That amounts to a nothing more than a series of 'tell me hows.'  When are you going to do as promised, and tell us what your ideas are/solution is?

Sure.

SRAs were perfect, until labor ripped them up. What are your thoughts on SRAs? Oz.

I know Laugh really likes them (I suspect she doesn't know what they are...)

HI ALL

The answer is the same as fore the rest of us really.

If somebody was throwing rocks around where you lived? Would the Police evacuate you.
Assuming that this claim is correct of course fifteen kids in a township of how many people?

:-X :-X

Mistress Nicole wrote on May 26^th, 2016 at 3:47pm:

Aussie wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 3:45pm: That amounts to a nothing more than a series of 'tell me hows.'  When are you going to do as promised, and tell us what your ideas are/solution is? Sure. SRAs were perfect, until labor ripped them up. What are your thoughts on SRAs? Oz. I know Laugh really likes them (I suspect she doesn't know what they are...)

He would not be the only one.  I have no idea what an SRA is, Hole.

Aussie wrote on May 26^th, 2016 at 3:53pm:

Mistress Nicole wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 3:47pm: Aussie wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 3:45pm: That amounts to a nothing more than a series of 'tell me hows.'  When are you going to do as promised, and tell us what your ideas are/solution is? Sure. SRAs were perfect, until labor ripped them up. What are your thoughts on SRAs? Oz. I know Laugh really likes them (I suspect she doesn't know what they are...) He would not be the only one.  I have no idea what an SRA is, Hole.

I know you don't. Neither does Laugh.

I find it amazing that you can come in here and lob spit balls at policies you didn't even know existed, let alone understand.

If I can be arsed I'll walk you through it. At some point. There again, pearls before swine...

Mistress Nicole wrote on May 26^th, 2016 at 3:56pm:

Aussie wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 3:53pm: Mistress Nicole wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 3:47pm: Aussie wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 3:45pm: That amounts to a nothing more than a series of 'tell me hows.'  When are you going to do as promised, and tell us what your ideas are/solution is? Sure. SRAs were perfect, until labor ripped them up. What are your thoughts on SRAs? Oz. I know Laugh really likes them (I suspect she doesn't know what they are...) He would not be the only one.  I have no idea what an SRA is, Hole. I know you don't. Neither does Laugh. I find it amazing that you can come in here and lob spit balls at policies you didn't even know existed, let alone understand. If I can be arsed I'll walk you through it. At some point. There again, pearls before swine...

I have lobbed no spitballs.  That is your strawman rubbish.  When are ever going to post something of substance, Hole?

I don't know why everyone is up in arms, it's what they do.


You seem to think this behaviour is something that can be fixed, well it not looking too good so far and the various do-gooders have been coming up with solutions / excused for decades and all for no improvement.

BigOl64 wrote on May 26^th, 2016 at 4:17pm:

I don't know why everyone is up in arms, it's what they do. You seem to think this behaviour is something that can be fixed, well it not looking too good so far and the various do-gooders have been coming up with solutions / excused for decades and all for no improvement.

Big'Ol....what is an SRA?

Anyone?

Aussie wrote on May 26^th, 2016 at 4:18pm:

BigOl64 wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 4:17pm: I don't know why everyone is up in arms, it's what they do. You seem to think this behaviour is something that can be fixed, well it not looking too good so far and the various do-gooders have been coming up with solutions / excused for decades and all for no improvement. Big'Ol....what is an SRA? Anyone?

Never heard of it; don't care enough to find out.

SRA ... easy peasy.

Somebody Réchauffé Aussie?

Mistress Nicole wrote on May 26^th, 2016 at 3:47pm:

Aussie wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 3:45pm: That amounts to a nothing more than a series of 'tell me hows.'  When are you going to do as promised, and tell us what your ideas are/solution is? Sure. SRAs were perfect, until labor ripped them up. What are your thoughts on SRAs? Oz. I know Laugh really likes them (I suspect she doesn't know what they are...)

Why are SRAs "perfect", Nicole?

My thoughts are that SRAs are imposed on communities by a government which does not want to admit that their past paternalistic policies have failed.   Labor may have "ripped them up" but I wonder how much is that your opinion?

Brian Ross wrote on May 26^th, 2016 at 6:39pm:

Mistress Nicole wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 3:47pm: Aussie wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 3:45pm: That amounts to a nothing more than a series of 'tell me hows.'  When are you going to do as promised, and tell us what your ideas are/solution is? Sure. SRAs were perfect, until labor ripped them up. What are your thoughts on SRAs? Oz. I know Laugh really likes them (I suspect she doesn't know what they are...) Why are SRAs "perfect", Nicole? My thoughts are that SRAs are imposed on communities by a government which does not want to admit that their past paternalistic policies have failed.   Labor may have "ripped them up" but I wonder how much is that your opinion?

I agree this paternalistic policies have failed.  Time for some tough love?

Any solutions?  Cos all I see on the horizon is more paternalism and potential failure. 

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 26^th, 2016 at 1:27pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 12:57pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 12:54pm: Mr Hammer wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 12:52pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 12:47pm: The misconduct of the closet poms continues: http://theconversation.com/indigenous-reconciliation-in-australia-still-a-bridge-too-far-54336 Quote: The effects of more than 200 years of dispossession, racism and discrimination have left many Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people with low levels of education, an inability to gain meaningful employment, over-representated in the prison system, and appalling housing conditions. Reconciliation provides a legacy platform for our continued growth and prosperity as a nation.  Michael Coghlan/Flickr, CC BY-SA Too many recommendations made for and by Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people over decades have never been acted on. Instead, poorly designed policies made on their behalf are funded and enacted. More weighty and bewildering government reports will not assist reconciliation, and even if they make governments feel like something is being done. But it’s not all bleak. Community-led movements such as Change the Record, Just Reinvest NSW and Empowered Communities are all working, in different ways, to tackle Indigenous disadvantage. Part of their success comes from changing the way Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people’s issues are talked about and addressed – from one of deficit in which people are described as problematic to one of empowerment and strength. A deep need Reconciliation is not an outcome or a goal as much as a relationship and an ongoing journey. It’s vital for the long-term well-being of settler nations – for their identity, history, polity and nationhood. But whatever its terms or whoever its participants, reconciliation will be no more than a series of slogans if settler Australians cannot come to a just understanding with Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Australians. It’s now 25 years since the establishment of the Council for Aboriginal Reconciliation, now Reconciliation Australia. That’s 25 years since Australia started a national conversation about how to become reconciled, equitable and just. There have been many achievements, disappointments and challenges since then in the process of healing the deep rift between Indigenous and non-Indigenous Australians. But despite all the backlashes, put-downs, trivialisation and wedge politics, Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people have come back stronger, more articulate, more practical, more resilient and surer of their capacity to contribute. And they’re also surer of what they expect from their contribution. Reconciliation provides a legacy platform for our continued growth and prosperity as a nation. It’s time to make it happen. I wish I could blame my conduct on things that happened hundreds of years ago. I blame it on the conception of Mr. Hammer's ancestors. I blame your silly posts on your defective DNA. The outcome of poor Indians rooting their cousins for multiple generations. Sadly, they were Mr. Hammer's cousins in disguise, seeking sexual fulfillment; anally.

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and appalling housing conditions

And how do the housing conditions become appalling?

Because they trash them.

You have no idea.

Secret Wars wrote on May 26^th, 2016 at 6:44pm:

[quote I agree this paternalistic policies have failed.  Time for some tough love?

How about a different approach?  Break up the Arakun settlement.  Most of the trouble is caused, AIUI from the mixing of different tribes caused by their having been moved off their lands and lumped together.   Tribes which are inimical to one another don't make good neighbours it seems.


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Any solutions?  Cos all I see on the horizon is more paternalism and potential failure.

See above.   Create separate settlements for each tribe, well separated.   

Brian Ross wrote on May 26^th, 2016 at 6:49pm:

Secret Wars wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 6:44pm: [quote I agree this paternalistic policies have failed.  Time for some tough love? How about a different approach?  Break up the Arakun settlement.  Most of the trouble is caused, AIUI from the mixing of different tribes caused by their having been moved off their lands and lumped together.   Tribes which are inimical to one another don't make good neighbours it seems. Quote: Any solutions?  Cos all I see on the horizon is more paternalism and potential failure.  See above.   Create separate settlements for each tribe, well separated.

Yeah, settlements that has worked well.  No jobs, nothing to do and massively expensive.  More failure.

Secret Wars wrote on May 26^th, 2016 at 6:57pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 6:49pm: Secret Wars wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 6:44pm: [quote I agree this paternalistic policies have failed.  Time for some tough love? How about a different approach?  Break up the Arakun settlement.  Most of the trouble is caused, AIUI from the mixing of different tribes caused by their having been moved off their lands and lumped together.   Tribes which are inimical to one another don't make good neighbours it seems. Quote: Any solutions?  Cos all I see on the horizon is more paternalism and potential failure.  See above.   Create separate settlements for each tribe, well separated.    Yeah, settlements that has worked well.  No jobs, nothing to do and massively expensive.  More failure.

To Ozpolitic conservatives settlements is a euphemism for Gulags, concentration camps where the insoluble problems are concealed from society.

Isolated with minimal services on rocky land unwanted by pastoralists or mining companies, except that if valuable minerals are found the inhabitants will be transported to a less valuable Gulag.

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 26^th, 2016 at 7:02pm:

Secret Wars wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 6:57pm: Brian Ross wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 6:49pm: Secret Wars wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 6:44pm: [quote I agree this paternalistic policies have failed.  Time for some tough love? How about a different approach?  Break up the Arakun settlement.  Most of the trouble is caused, AIUI from the mixing of different tribes caused by their having been moved off their lands and lumped together.   Tribes which are inimical to one another don't make good neighbours it seems. Quote: Any solutions?  Cos all I see on the horizon is more paternalism and potential failure.  See above.   Create separate settlements for each tribe, well separated.    Yeah, settlements that has worked well.  No jobs, nothing to do and massively expensive.  More failure. To Ozpolitic conservatives settlements is a euphemism for Gulags, concentration camps where the insoluble problems are concealed from society. Isolated with minimal services on rocky land unwanted by pastoralists or mining companies, except that if valuable minerals are found the inhabitants will be transported to a less valuable Gulag.

Oooorrrrrr, you can accept that settlements and sit down money have failed.  History is a guide. 

And your solution or recommendations is...what chuckles?

Secret Wars wrote on May 26^th, 2016 at 7:05pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 7:02pm: Secret Wars wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 6:57pm: Brian Ross wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 6:49pm: Secret Wars wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 6:44pm: [quote I agree this paternalistic policies have failed.  Time for some tough love? How about a different approach?  Break up the Arakun settlement.  Most of the trouble is caused, AIUI from the mixing of different tribes caused by their having been moved off their lands and lumped together.   Tribes which are inimical to one another don't make good neighbours it seems. Quote: Any solutions?  Cos all I see on the horizon is more paternalism and potential failure.  See above.   Create separate settlements for each tribe, well separated.    Yeah, settlements that has worked well.  No jobs, nothing to do and massively expensive.  More failure. To Ozpolitic conservatives settlements is a euphemism for Gulags, concentration camps where the insoluble problems are concealed from society. Isolated with minimal services on rocky land unwanted by pastoralists or mining companies, except that if valuable minerals are found the inhabitants will be transported to a less valuable Gulag. Oooorrrrrr, you can accept that settlements and sit down money have failed.  History is a guide.  And your solution or recommendations is...what chuckles?

Aboriginals have been fragmented, isolated and excluded from closet pom society.

Before any rational and reasonable solutions can be developed they have to be united. Those that want and can be included in closet pom society should be supported and encouraged. Those that don't want to be engaged in closet pom society should be allowed to create an alternative society they are comfortable with.

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 26^th, 2016 at 7:15pm:

Aboriginals have been fragmented, isolated and excluded from closet pom society. Before any rational and reasonable solutions can be developed they have to be united. Those that want and can be included in closet pom society should be supported and encouraged. Those that don't want to be engaged in closet pom society should be allowed to create an alternative society they are comfortable with.

I have no clue what a closet Pom society is.  If you mean supported and encouraged to get educated, get jobs, get houses then check.  Already happening. 

Those that don't want can create alternative society's if they like.  But who pays?  If the alternative society is living out in the bush with gubmint providing the housing and money then you have...a settlement. 

So your solution divorced from its emotive rhetoric is more of the same, the status quo. 

Congratulations. 

Secret Wars wrote on May 26^th, 2016 at 7:26pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 7:15pm: Aboriginals have been fragmented, isolated and excluded from closet pom society. Before any rational and reasonable solutions can be developed they have to be united. Those that want and can be included in closet pom society should be supported and encouraged. Those that don't want to be engaged in closet pom society should be allowed to create an alternative society they are comfortable with. I have no clue what a closet Pom society is.  If you mean supported and encouraged to get educated, get jobs, get houses then check.  Already happening.  Those that don't want can create alternative society's if they like.  But who pays?  If the alternative society is living out in the bush with gubmint providing the housing and money then you have...a settlement.  So your solution divorced from its emotive rhetoric is more of the same, the status quo.  Congratulations.

You missed the point of unifying them instead of fragmenting them as all past governments have done.

All governments fear a unified Aboriginal society acting as one entity. Their power would be enormous.

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 26^th, 2016 at 7:31pm:

Secret Wars wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 7:26pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 7:15pm: Aboriginals have been fragmented, isolated and excluded from closet pom society. Before any rational and reasonable solutions can be developed they have to be united. Those that want and can be included in closet pom society should be supported and encouraged. Those that don't want to be engaged in closet pom society should be allowed to create an alternative society they are comfortable with. I have no clue what a closet Pom society is.  If you mean supported and encouraged to get educated, get jobs, get houses then check.  Already happening.  Those that don't want can create alternative society's if they like.  But who pays?  If the alternative society is living out in the bush with gubmint providing the housing and money then you have...a settlement.  So your solution divorced from its emotive rhetoric is more of the same, the status quo.  Congratulations.  You missed the point of unifying them instead of fragmenting them as all past governments have done. All governments fear a unified Aboriginal society acting as one entity. Their power would be enormous.

I got the point.  Your challenge is how.  You are the minister, you have a bit of paper and some money.  Write down something that can be done rather than a hand wavey "unifying them". 

How?  Practical, not motherhood handwaving vague aspirations.

Secret Wars wrote on May 26^th, 2016 at 7:35pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 7:31pm: Secret Wars wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 7:26pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 7:15pm: Aboriginals have been fragmented, isolated and excluded from closet pom society. Before any rational and reasonable solutions can be developed they have to be united. Those that want and can be included in closet pom society should be supported and encouraged. Those that don't want to be engaged in closet pom society should be allowed to create an alternative society they are comfortable with. I have no clue what a closet Pom society is.  If you mean supported and encouraged to get educated, get jobs, get houses then check.  Already happening.  Those that don't want can create alternative society's if they like.  But who pays?  If the alternative society is living out in the bush with gubmint providing the housing and money then you have...a settlement.  So your solution divorced from its emotive rhetoric is more of the same, the status quo.  Congratulations.  You missed the point of unifying them instead of fragmenting them as all past governments have done. All governments fear a unified Aboriginal society acting as one entity. Their power would be enormous. I got the point.  Your challenge is how.  You are the minister, you have a bit of paper and some money.  Write down something that can be done rather than a hand wavey "unifying them".  How?  Practical, not motherhood handwaving vague aspirations.

That is the problem. The minister would never unify the Aboriginals because they would fear the strength and power of such a unified group.

All Federal and state governments have an interest in fragmenting and isolating Aboriginals in small controllable groups.

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 26^th, 2016 at 7:38pm:

Secret Wars wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 7:35pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 7:31pm: Secret Wars wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 7:26pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 7:15pm: Aboriginals have been fragmented, isolated and excluded from closet pom society. Before any rational and reasonable solutions can be developed they have to be united. Those that want and can be included in closet pom society should be supported and encouraged. Those that don't want to be engaged in closet pom society should be allowed to create an alternative society they are comfortable with. I have no clue what a closet Pom society is.  If you mean supported and encouraged to get educated, get jobs, get houses then check.  Already happening.  Those that don't want can create alternative society's if they like.  But who pays?  If the alternative society is living out in the bush with gubmint providing the housing and money then you have...a settlement.  So your solution divorced from its emotive rhetoric is more of the same, the status quo.  Congratulations.  You missed the point of unifying them instead of fragmenting them as all past governments have done. All governments fear a unified Aboriginal society acting as one entity. Their power would be enormous. I got the point.  Your challenge is how.  You are the minister, you have a bit of paper and some money.  Write down something that can be done rather than a hand wavey "unifying them".  How?  Practical, not motherhood handwaving vague aspirations. That is the problem. The minister would never unify the Aboriginals because they would fear the strength and power of such a unified group. All Federal and state governments have an interest in fragmenting and isolating Aboriginals in small controllable groups.

I am not accepting what you say is true, but anyway, the solution was given to you, forget the minister, how would you do it? 

Chuckles has left the building leaving nothing but handwaving and aspirational motherhood waffle. 

Secret Wars wrote on May 26^th, 2016 at 8:29pm:

Chuckles has left the building leaving nothing but handwaving and aspirational motherhood waffle.

Yep. She's a hit and run artist.

Mistress Nicole wrote on May 26^th, 2016 at 8:56pm:

Secret Wars wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 8:29pm: Chuckles has left the building leaving nothing but handwaving and aspirational motherhood waffle.  Yep. She's a hit and run artist.

When will you be presenting these ideas of yours, Nicole Page 2016?

Aussie wrote on May 27^th, 2016 at 12:37pm:

Mistress Nicole wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 8:56pm: Secret Wars wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 8:29pm: Chuckles has left the building leaving nothing but handwaving and aspirational motherhood waffle.  Yep. She's a hit and run artist. When will you be presenting these ideas of yours, Nicole Page 2016?

Nicole Page and Secret Wars are government stooges.

@ Brian Ross


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Most of the trouble is caused, AIUI from the mixing of different tribes caused by their having been moved off their lands and lumped together.   Tribes which are inimical to one another don't make good neighbours it seems.

So it's ok for multiculturalism not to work...for black people?

Mistress Nicole wrote on May 27^th, 2016 at 4:28pm:

@ Brian Ross Quote: Most of the trouble is caused, AIUI from the mixing of different tribes caused by their having been moved off their lands and lumped together.   Tribes which are inimical to one another don't make good neighbours it seems. So it's ok for multiculturalism not to work...for black people?

Questions, questions and questions....and still we have not seen your promised ideas, Nicole Page 2016.  Why is that?

@ Brian Ross


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My thoughts are that SRAs are imposed on communities by a government which does not want to admit that their past paternalistic policies have failed.

In what way are they 'imposed'? They are negotiated with Elders. Have you ever read an SRA Brian?

F.uck off Oz, you scuttling cockroach.

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 27^th, 2016 at 12:50pm:

Aussie wrote on May 27th, 2016 at 12:37pm: Mistress Nicole wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 8:56pm: Secret Wars wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 8:29pm: Chuckles has left the building leaving nothing but handwaving and aspirational motherhood waffle.  Yep. She's a hit and run artist. When will you be presenting these ideas of yours, Nicole Page 2016? Nicole Page and Secret Wars are government stooges.

Boo.

Mistress Nicole wrote on May 27^th, 2016 at 4:35pm:

F.uck off Oz, you scuttling cockroach.

Are those your much vaunted (by you) ideas about this?  Is that it?

Nicole Page and Secret Wars are binary black holes operated by the government to ensure no light ever shines on subjects like this.

The government(s) does not want Aboriginals to unite and become a political and social force.

The government sends out minions such as Nicole Page and Secret Wars to stifle debate and information flow on the subject of Aboriginal unity and empowerment.

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 27^th, 2016 at 5:31pm:

Nicole Page and Secret Wars are binary black holes operated by the government to ensure no light ever shines on subjects like this. The government(s) does not want Aboriginals to unite and become a political and social force. The government sends out minions such as Nicole Page and Secret Wars to stifle debate and information flow on the subject of Aboriginal unity and empowerment.

Ahhh chuckles, both paranoid and rediculous. 

Feel free to describe how you would address the problems you perceive, something actionable.  Something not vague handwaving. 
Something you can write down for others to do, that can be budgeted and measured. 

Over to you chuckles, floors yours. 

Secret Wars wrote on May 27^th, 2016 at 5:42pm:

Feel free to describe how you would address the problems you perceive, something actionable.  Something not vague handwaving.  Something you can write down for others to do, that can be budgeted and measured.

Do you deny that you are an associate of Nicole Page and that you are both public servants and stooges assigned to obstruct the furtherance of Aboriginal causes?

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 27^th, 2016 at 5:31pm:

The government(s) does not want Aboriginals to unite and become a political and social force.

Lol.  Not much danger of that happening. 

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 27^th, 2016 at 6:07pm:

Secret Wars wrote on May 27th, 2016 at 5:42pm: Feel free to describe how you would address the problems you perceive, something actionable.  Something not vague handwaving.  Something you can write down for others to do, that can be budgeted and measured.  Do you deny that you are an associate of Nicole Page and that you are both public servants and stooges assigned to obstruct the furtherance of Aboriginal causes?

Dear oh dear.  I think I will leave you alone, it's not fair to debate the mentally challenged. 

PS....you are being traced, you are too close to the conspiracy, it's Chinatown man.    ;D ;D ;D :D

Laugh wrote:

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The government(s) does not want Aboriginals to unite and become a political and social force.

Brian Ross wrote:

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Most of the trouble is caused, AIUI from the mixing of different tribes caused by their having been moved off their lands and lumped together.   Tribes which are inimical to one another don't make good neighbours it seems.

Brian Ross seems to be suggesting that abos don't mix too well Laugh. I take it you disagree with him?

Secret Wars wrote on May 27^th, 2016 at 6:12pm:

Dear oh dear.  I think I will leave you alone, it's not fair to debate the mentally challenged.

I wasn't aware of your mental problems. I thought you were just a stupid public servant.

Mistress Nicole wrote on May 27^th, 2016 at 6:35pm:

Laugh wrote: Quote: The government(s) does not want Aboriginals to unite and become a political and social force. Brian Ross wrote: [quote]Most of the trouble is caused, AIUI from the mixing of different tribes caused by their having been moved off their lands and lumped together.   Tribes which are inimical to one another don't make good neighbours it seems.

Brian Ross seems to be suggesting that abos don't mix too well Laugh. I take it you disagree with him?[/quote]

They don't have to live together to unite. They just have to align their actions and objectives.

Aboriginals are inherently tribal and do not get along with each other.

I have seen this on the central Coast of NSW where one tribe simply ignored the needs of the other tribes after it came into a considerable sum of money from a land rights deal.
Great deal it was too.
They screamed land rights for years until the National Parks did a deal with them, effectively shut off access to the beach, gave half of the land to the Abbos who promptly sold it off to a conglomerate before the ink was even dry.
Everyone wins, except the locals who now have far less access to the beach.

They then proceeded to waste the money hand over fist until Govco stepped in and appointed an administrator to look after the money left.

This is how the Aboriginals work, get someone else to do all the work and settle for a deal where they get something for nothing.
They could never get together as an effective political or organised power.
Too lazy, inept and easily swayed with a few stubbies.

Mistress Nicole wrote on May 27^th, 2016 at 4:28pm:

@ Brian Ross Quote: Most of the trouble is caused, AIUI from the mixing of different tribes caused by their having been moved off their lands and lumped together.   Tribes which are inimical to one another don't make good neighbours it seems. So it's ok for multiculturalism not to work...for black people?

Multiculturalism only works when people want it to work, Nicole.  Guess what happens when they don't?  The overwhelming majority of Australians believe in Multiculturalism so it works for them.  It's the mewling obstructionists who don't accept it that are the problem.   Remember, Multiculturalism is only intended like most government policies to work most of the time for most of the people.  There was never a 100% guarantee about it.  ::)

Mistress Nicole wrote on May 27^th, 2016 at 4:34pm:

@ Brian Ross Quote: My thoughts are that SRAs are imposed on communities by a government which does not want to admit that their past paternalistic policies have failed.  In what way are they 'imposed'? They are negotiated with Elders. Have you ever read an SRA Brian?

They are imposed by a Government that doesn't want to admit that it's past policies were mistaken, Nicole.  Yes, I've read an SRA.   The Government turning up on the doorstep and proclaiming that unless the SRA is agreed to, the community won't receive any more money is a powerful incentive to why people might feel inclined to accept them.

Do you know anything about the history of Arakun?  It was created by the Queensland Government as a means of disinheriting the Indigenous Australians of their property rights.   Why were only indigenous Australians subjected to this sort of paternalistic policy, Nicole?  Because they were black and their presence was an embarrassment to the broader, white community.   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on May 27^th, 2016 at 9:42pm:

The overwhelming majority of Australians believe in Multiculturalism so it works for them.  It's the mewling obstructionists who don't accept it that are the problem.

Yeah those darn muslims again ... but what are you gonna do  :(

Nicole Page 2016 said she had some ideas about this.  I am yet to read them.  When will that happen?

innocentbystander. wrote on May 27^th, 2016 at 9:56pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 27th, 2016 at 9:42pm: The overwhelming majority of Australians believe in Multiculturalism so it works for them.  It's the mewling obstructionists who don't accept it that are the problem.  Yeah those darn muslims again ... but what are you gonna do  :(

Most Muslims accept and believe in Multiculturalism.   It appears to me that there are more than sufficient white, nominally Christian, invariably Ango-Saxon/Celtic descended people who don't accept it for some obscure reason.  Perhaps they fear giving people from other cultures respect?  ::)

Brian Ross wrote on May 27^th, 2016 at 10:40pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on May 27th, 2016 at 9:56pm: Brian Ross wrote on May 27th, 2016 at 9:42pm: The overwhelming majority of Australians believe in Multiculturalism so it works for them.  It's the mewling obstructionists who don't accept it that are the problem.  Yeah those darn muslims again ... but what are you gonna do  :( Most Muslims accept and believe in Multiculturalism.   It appears to me that there are more than sufficient white, nominally Christian, invariably Ango-Saxon/Celtic descended people who don't accept it for some obscure reason.  Perhaps they fear giving people from other cultures respect?  ::)

Most Muslims accept and believe in multiculturalism eh?  You can of course demonstrate that.  8-)

PS, if as you argued the overwhelming majority of Australians believe that multiculturalism works wouldn't that include the white, nominally Christian, invariably Anglo Saxon descended people? 

You need to bring to the table both some evidence and some internal consistency.

Brian Ross wrote on May 27^th, 2016 at 9:47pm:

Mistress Nicole wrote on May 27th, 2016 at 4:34pm: @ Brian Ross Quote: My thoughts are that SRAs are imposed on communities by a government which does not want to admit that their past paternalistic policies have failed.  In what way are they 'imposed'? They are negotiated with Elders. Have you ever read an SRA Brian? They are imposed by a Government that doesn't want to admit that it's past policies were mistaken, Nicole.  Yes, I've read an SRA.   The Government turning up on the doorstep and proclaiming that unless the SRA is agreed to, the community won't receive any more money is a powerful incentive to why people might feel inclined to accept them. Do you know anything about the history of Arakun?  It was created by the Queensland Government as a means of disinheriting the Indigenous Australians of their property rights.   Why were only indigenous Australians subjected to this sort of paternalistic policy, Nicole?  Because they were black and their presence was an embarrassment to the broader, white community.   ::)

Who cares? yesterdays news. These communities need to be closed down and these people to avail themselves of the wider opportunities available in  more populated areas. All funding needs to be withdrawn and the new policy needs to be, assimilation.

ian wrote on May 27^th, 2016 at 10:52pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 27th, 2016 at 9:47pm: Mistress Nicole wrote on May 27th, 2016 at 4:34pm: @ Brian Ross Quote: My thoughts are that SRAs are imposed on communities by a government which does not want to admit that their past paternalistic policies have failed.  In what way are they 'imposed'? They are negotiated with Elders. Have you ever read an SRA Brian? They are imposed by a Government that doesn't want to admit that it's past policies were mistaken, Nicole.  Yes, I've read an SRA.   The Government turning up on the doorstep and proclaiming that unless the SRA is agreed to, the community won't receive any more money is a powerful incentive to why people might feel inclined to accept them. Do you know anything about the history of Arakun?  It was created by the Queensland Government as a means of disinheriting the Indigenous Australians of their property rights.   Why were only indigenous Australians subjected to this sort of paternalistic policy, Nicole?  Because they were black and their presence was an embarrassment to the broader, white community.   ::) Who cares? yesterdays news. These communities need to be closed down and these people to avail themselves of the wider opportunities available in  more populated areas. All funding needs to be withdrawn and the new policy needs to be, assimilation.

Yes, well, that worked rather well the last time it was tried, now didn't it?   ::)

I suppose we could steal their children again and deny their Indigenousness again?

We could dispossesse them of their lands again and of course we could move them all to the (primarily) white, mainstream cities again?

I don't think you're grasping an essential fact, Ian.  These Indigenous Australians want to live on their ancestral lands.   Who are you to determine that they shouldn't be allowed to?  Mmm?   ::)

Secret Wars wrote on May 27^th, 2016 at 10:51pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 27th, 2016 at 10:40pm: innocentbystander. wrote on May 27th, 2016 at 9:56pm: Brian Ross wrote on May 27th, 2016 at 9:42pm: The overwhelming majority of Australians believe in Multiculturalism so it works for them.  It's the mewling obstructionists who don't accept it that are the problem.  Yeah those darn muslims again ... but what are you gonna do  :( Most Muslims accept and believe in Multiculturalism.   It appears to me that there are more than sufficient white, nominally Christian, invariably Ango-Saxon/Celtic descended people who don't accept it for some obscure reason.  Perhaps they fear giving people from other cultures respect?  ::) Most Muslims accept and believe in multiculturalism eh?  You can of course demonstrate that.  8-) Quote: Yes. [quote] PS, if as you argued the overwhelming majority of Australians believe that multiculturalism works wouldn't that include the white, nominally Christian, invariably Anglo Saxon descended people?  Most of them, yes, it does.   However, most of the obstructionists who abhore Multiculturalism appear to be drawn from a subset of that group for some reason.   I wonder, do they resent that other cultures are considered equal with their own?   ::) [quote] You need to bring to the table both some evidence and some internal consistency.

Plenty of both.

Brian Ross wrote on May 27^th, 2016 at 11:17pm:

Secret Wars wrote on May 27th, 2016 at 10:51pm: Brian Ross wrote on May 27th, 2016 at 10:40pm: innocentbystander. wrote on May 27th, 2016 at 9:56pm: Brian Ross wrote on May 27th, 2016 at 9:42pm: The overwhelming majority of Australians believe in Multiculturalism so it works for them.  It's the mewling obstructionists who don't accept it that are the problem.  Yeah those darn muslims again ... but what are you gonna do  :( Most Muslims accept and believe in Multiculturalism.   It appears to me that there are more than sufficient white, nominally Christian, invariably Ango-Saxon/Celtic descended people who don't accept it for some obscure reason.  Perhaps they fear giving people from other cultures respect?  ::) Most Muslims accept and believe in multiculturalism eh?  You can of course demonstrate that.  8-) Quote: Yes. [quote] PS, if as you argued the overwhelming majority of Australians believe that multiculturalism works wouldn't that include the white, nominally Christian, invariably Anglo Saxon descended people?  Most of them, yes, it does.   However, most of the obstructionists who abhore Multiculturalism appear to be drawn from a subset of that group for some reason.   I wonder, do they resent that other cultures are considered equal with their own?   ::) [quote] You need to bring to the table both some evidence and some internal consistency. Plenty of both.

I see a yes, I don't see you demonstrating that. 

Your claim Brian. Most Muslims accept and believe in multiculturalism.  Your words and yours to prove. 

How did we get here from teachers being monstered in Aurukun?

Stick a few Muslims or Somalis in Aurukun and see what happens!

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Secret Wars wrote on May 27^th, 2016 at 11:33pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 27th, 2016 at 11:17pm: Secret Wars wrote on May 27th, 2016 at 10:51pm: Brian Ross wrote on May 27th, 2016 at 10:40pm: innocentbystander. wrote on May 27th, 2016 at 9:56pm: Brian Ross wrote on May 27th, 2016 at 9:42pm: The overwhelming majority of Australians believe in Multiculturalism so it works for them.  It's the mewling obstructionists who don't accept it that are the problem.  Yeah those darn muslims again ... but what are you gonna do  :( Most Muslims accept and believe in Multiculturalism.   It appears to me that there are more than sufficient white, nominally Christian, invariably Ango-Saxon/Celtic descended people who don't accept it for some obscure reason.  Perhaps they fear giving people from other cultures respect?  ::) Most Muslims accept and believe in multiculturalism eh?  You can of course demonstrate that.  8-) Quote: Yes. [quote] PS, if as you argued the overwhelming majority of Australians believe that multiculturalism works wouldn't that include the white, nominally Christian, invariably Anglo Saxon descended people?  Most of them, yes, it does.   However, most of the obstructionists who abhore Multiculturalism appear to be drawn from a subset of that group for some reason.   I wonder, do they resent that other cultures are considered equal with their own?   ::) [quote] You need to bring to the table both some evidence and some internal consistency. Plenty of both. I see a yes, I don't see you demonstrating that.  Your claim Brian. Most Muslims accept and believe in multiculturalism.  Your words and yours to prove.

Nope.  Yours to disprove.   I made a statement.  Up to you to disprove it.   ::) ::)

Lionel Edriess wrote on May 27^th, 2016 at 11:37pm:

How did we get here from teachers being monstered in Aurukun? Stick a few Muslims or Somalis in Aurukun and see what happens! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Mistress Nicole wrote on May 27^th, 2016 at 4:34pm:

@ Brian Ross Quote: My thoughts are that SRAs are imposed on communities by a government which does not want to admit that their past paternalistic policies have failed.  In what way are they 'imposed'? They are negotiated with Elders. Have you ever read an SRA Brian?

In a lot of instances Nicole they had to agree to behavioural change contracts in order to access government funding, including funding for basic citizenship services and entitlements. In the case of the first publicly announced SRA this was a petrol bowser and health checks from the Government in return for hygiene measures including face washing. This was to address trachoma rates in the Mulan community.

SRAs accounted for only about one per cent of Federal Indigenous expenditure. How can fiddling with one per cent of Indigenous funding make any real impact, particularly on Indigenous disadvantage?

By focusing public debate on SRAs, the Government evaded scrutiny over the other 99 per cent of Indigenous funding.

During the course of the SRAs the Indigenous Affairs Minister would often explain the need to listen directly to local communities and families so that ‘our funding hits the mark’.


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We can only do this by listening directly to local communities and families. We cannot rely on the intermediaries to do the job for us

Intermediaries was of course ATSIC.


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Aboriginal people do not require ATSIC, or consultants or people with clipboards to speak on their behalf. ATSIC was a Western construct which allowed governments to satisfy themselves that they were consulting Indigenous people and meeting their needs

Though ATSIC had it's difficulties Indigenous communities and a range of Indigenous service organisations interfaced with ATSIC Regional Councils, providing a largely Indigenous-controlled consultation and governance structure for setting local and regional priorities. This structure provided significant Indigenous participation in and control of policy development and service delivery.

What replaced ATSIC was a new ‘Western construct’ – the unelected, bureaucrat-driven Indigenous Coordination Centres (‘ICC’s) which are the Government’s mainstream agency one-stop-shops. It seems the clipboard has a secure future in Indigenous affairs after all.

The fact that SRAs were not legally enforceable placed all of the power with the Government and very little in the hands of communities. The Government can drag its heels or renege on funding if it chooses.  For example, Murdi Paaki did not received any of the 200 air conditioners promised by the Government in an SRA signed for 3 years. We are still unsure if Mulan got it's bowser.

No sanctions were available to communities who felt let down by the Government. There was no mechanism to independently scrutinise whether the Government was meeting its responsibilities and compel it to act.

What was most offensive about SRAs to Indigenous people is that they were racially discriminatory and patronising. They make funding conditional on behavioural change and other commitments which were not required from non-Indigenous communities.

SRAs also reinforce negative stereotypes about Aboriginal people. By implying a need for measures by the Government to force Indigenous communities and families to act responsibly, they conceal Indigenous initiative and success in taking responsibility for community problems. Instead, the Government claims the credit. For example, when the Mulan SRA became public, the Government neglected to mention that the community had already cut trachoma rates as a result of its own initiative. It had been running the face washing program for 18 months prior to signing the SRA.

This detail was conveniently overlooked by the Federal Education, Science and Training Minister, Brendan Nelson


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Six months after the government enduring accusations of paternalism, the results are mind blowing. Trachoma which afflicted 70% of children is now undetectable.

A further advantage to the government is that the community level provides a micro scale that is distanced from ‘headline indicators’ and national statistics, yet significant enough to provide public relations mileage out of the success of relatively minor projects. It is much easier to achieve and get credit for a positive outcome in a single community as against the huge task of achieving the same level of outcome on a national scale.