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Beyond sin taxes and the law lies personal choice
Gary Johns Brisbane THE AUSTRALIAN MAY 18, 2016 12:00AM

The poor in Australia are so poor that they can eat, drink, and smoke themselves to death. ­Indeed, they seem pretty good at it because they are one and a half times more likely to suffer disease from those causes than those who are better off.

Last week, the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare released its report, Australian Burden of Disease Study: impact and causes of illness and deaths in Australia 2011. Burden of disease combines measures of the impact of dying early and living with illness. The report suggests 30 per cent of the burden of disease in Australia is preventable because "modifiable risk factors" cause it.

An example of a modifiable risk factor is "high body mass" — fat. It could lead to heart disease, diabetes and more. A great many modifiable risks are "behavioural". They are very familiar and include grog, smokes, drugs, unsafe sex, physical inactivity, childhood sexual abuse, domestic violence, and a diet low in vegetables.

All of these factors are heavily class based. The researchers also say that, "if the poor were as healthy as the rich they would be 21 per cent better off." The message in the report, although drowning in gobbledygook, is quite simple. If you change the way you live, or with whom you live, you will live longer.

The researchers say that "disparity" in health outcomes is caused by "reduced access" to health services and resources, and "risky behaviours". Short of making the poor rich, how can the disparity be removed?

The fact that the wealthy can be kept alive by buying better health services does not explain why the poor, who have access to perfectly good health services, die younger. Bulk-billing GPs tell their patients every day to lose weight, eat vegetables, give up the smokes, give up grog, and to exercise. It is not "reduced access" that results in the poor dying younger or being less well.

All Australians are able to learn from highly qualified medical practitioners how to live healthier lives. Whether they listen is another thing altogether. Indeed, governments know that many do not listen, so they give them a real hard nudge.

Of the behavioural factors, and putting to one side unsafe sex, sin products such as grog and smokes (including gambling, which is highly related to others) are heavily taxed, vegetables are not, and the others are illegal.

In effect, the tax and the legal system distinguish between two classes of poor: the deserving and the undeserving.

The deserving poor do not have to pay sin taxes or fall foul of the law. To a great extent, through sin taxes and legal penalties, the undeserving poor pay for their sins, but little else.

Much of the federal election is encapsulated in this tale of class and health.

The welfare state cannot modify the class system sufficiently for the poor to catch up. The differences in health (and life chances) between the poor and the rest are unlikely ever to be abolished.

The welfare state provides ­adequate access to health services, and it tries to modify behaviour by taxation and the law. To some extent this works. In other respects, it makes lives more difficult.

Duncan Storrar, Q&A’s "national hero", is the architect of his downfall. He receives benefits regardless of whether he deserves it. As a nation, we have shown great forbearance.

My sense, in this campaign, is that forbearance is wearing thin. This is a huge danger for Bill Shorten and the Labor Party on two grounds. The ideology that welfare can abolish differences is threadbare. The money backing the threadbare ideology has gone. Labor has spent the ­future. There is no more chance that the welfare state can abolish the class system, sufficient to have the poor live as well as the rich, than Bill Shorten has of becoming prime minister.

To paraphrase Amy Wax (Race, Wrongs and Remedies: Group Justice in the 21st Century), no one knows how to ensure that others make good health choices or do not engage in risky behaviour. More broadly, "We do not know how to make someone obey the law, study hard, develop useful skills, be courteous, speak and write well, work steadily, marry and stay married, be a devoted husband and father, and refrain from bearing children they cannot or will not care for."

The problems of the unhealthy poor will not be found in great social programs run out of Canberra. What remains is a salutary series of questions, with few answers, and the bill.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/gary-johns/beyond-sin-taxes-and-the-law-lies-personal-choice/news-story/feb59aa663b8981cb150fcefeb9a7451

Too true. The health system is overloaded because of poor lifestyle choices.

what is it with rightards and the continuous bombardment opinions from columnists from the smelle and the Australian?

you realise some dickheads opinion is not fact, right?

The article is spot on.

John Smith wrote on May 23^rd, 2016 at 9:34pm:

what is it with rightards and the continuous bombardment opinions from columnists from the smelle and the Australian? you realise some dickheads opinion is not fact, right?

its 100% spot on..

hit a raw nerve on an over weight lazy welfare bludger did we?  8-)

Those from Lower socioeconomic backgrounds also suffer more trauma, and abuse in childhood. I'm sure you wouldn't disagree Juliar - it's a revolving door.

I'm a sixth gen Aussie who still believes in "a fair go". You?

Mistress Nicole wrote on May 23^rd, 2016 at 9:43pm:

Those from Lower socioeconomic backgrounds also suffer more trauma, and abuse in childhood. I'm sure you wouldn't disagree Juliar - it's a revolving door. I'm a sixth gen Aussie who still believes in "a fair go". You?

what we need to do is to lower welfare payments so that people eat more vegetable etc instead of macca's and smoking cigarettes...

This extract from the article explaining the futility of Socialist Welfare bears grim forbodings for Busty Bill and the sick Socialists.


My sense, in this campaign, is that forbearance is wearing thin.

This is a huge danger for Bill Shorten and the Labor Party on two grounds.

The ideology that welfare can abolish differences is threadbare. The money backing the threadbare ideology has gone. Labor has spent the ­future.

There is no more chance that the welfare state can abolish the class system, sufficient to have the poor live as well as the rich, than Bill Shorten has of becoming prime minister.

To paraphrase Amy Wax (Race, Wrongs and Remedies: Group Justice in the 21st Century), no one knows how to ensure that others make good health choices or do not engage in risky behaviour.

More broadly, "We do not know how to make someone obey the law, study hard, develop useful skills, be courteous, speak and write well, work steadily, marry and stay married, be a devoted husband and father, and refrain from bearing children they cannot or will not care for."

The problems of the unhealthy poor will NOT be found in great social programs run out of Canberra. What remains is a salutary series of questions, with few answers, and the bill.

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on May 23^rd, 2016 at 9:46pm:

Mistress Nicole wrote on May 23rd, 2016 at 9:43pm: Those from Lower socioeconomic backgrounds also suffer more trauma, and abuse in childhood. I'm sure you wouldn't disagree Juliar - it's a revolving door. I'm a sixth gen Aussie who still believes in "a fair go". You? what we need to do is to lower welfare payments so that people eat more vegetable etc instead of macca's and smoking cigarettes...

Lowering welfare payments in this particular group is likely to simply increase crime and homelessness. Don't get me wrong - I do hear you - but I think lowering welfare payments is simply a knee jerk reaction to what are entrenched social problems.

Mistress Nicole wrote on May 23^rd, 2016 at 9:43pm:

Those from Lower socioeconomic backgrounds also suffer more trauma, and abuse in childhood. I'm sure you wouldn't disagree Juliar - it's a revolving door. I'm a sixth gen Aussie who still believes in "a fair go". You?

Our society is paying child abusers to have kids. Maybe we need to cut out that incentive.

Mistress Nicole wrote on May 23^rd, 2016 at 10:22pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on May 23rd, 2016 at 9:46pm: Mistress Nicole wrote on May 23rd, 2016 at 9:43pm: Those from Lower socioeconomic backgrounds also suffer more trauma, and abuse in childhood. I'm sure you wouldn't disagree Juliar - it's a revolving door. I'm a sixth gen Aussie who still believes in "a fair go". You? what we need to do is to lower welfare payments so that people eat more vegetable etc instead of macca's and smoking cigarettes... Lowering welfare payments in this particular group is likely to simply increase crime and homelessness. Don't get me wrong - I do hear you - but I think lowering welfare payments is simply a knee jerk reaction to what are entrenched social problems.

Yup we'll just end up paying more insurance.
I'm happy to pay a bit extra in tax to keep povs happy and out of my sight. 

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on May 23^rd, 2016 at 9:40pm:

hit a raw nerve on an over weight lazy welfare bludger did we?

nope ... not  overweight, not on welfare  ........... and I eat like a horse.

like I said, it's a dumb opinion piece from another Australian columnist.

ian wrote on May 23^rd, 2016 at 10:45pm:

Mistress Nicole wrote on May 23rd, 2016 at 9:43pm: Those from Lower socioeconomic backgrounds also suffer more trauma, and abuse in childhood. I'm sure you wouldn't disagree Juliar - it's a revolving door. I'm a sixth gen Aussie who still believes in "a fair go". You? Our society is paying child abusers to have kids. Maybe we need to cut out that incentive.

yeah ... cause before the baby bonus they never had kids  :D :D :D

ian wrote on May 23^rd, 2016 at 10:45pm:

Mistress Nicole wrote on May 23rd, 2016 at 9:43pm: Those from Lower socioeconomic backgrounds also suffer more trauma, and abuse in childhood. I'm sure you wouldn't disagree Juliar - it's a revolving door. I'm a sixth gen Aussie who still believes in "a fair go". You? Our society is paying child abusers to have kids. Maybe we need to cut out that incentive.

Hi Ian,

I was unaware of that. Could you be so kind as to link me to it?


Cheers
Nicole

John Smith wrote on May 23^rd, 2016 at 9:34pm:

what is it with rightards and the continuous bombardment opinions from columnists from the smelle and the Australian? you realise some dickheads opinion is not fact, right?

But it is an opinion based on fact.

But if you can provide your facts that show inter-generational welfare grubs are fine up standing citizens that provide a positive contribution to society, Ill be more than happy to read it.

It shouldn't take long, should it?  ;D ;D ;D ;D


The poor are poor, because they are also very stupid and lazy, but the one thing they do know, is someone else will pay.

BigOl64 wrote on May 24^th, 2016 at 5:26am:

John Smith wrote on May 23rd, 2016 at 9:34pm: what is it with rightards and the continuous bombardment opinions from columnists from the smelle and the Australian? you realise some dickheads opinion is not fact, right? But it is an opinion based on fact. But if you can provide your facts that show inter-generational welfare grubs are fine up standing citizens that provide a positive contribution to society, Ill be more than happy to read it. It shouldn't take long, should it?  ;D ;D ;D ;D The poor are poor, because they are also very stupid and lazy, but the one thing they do know, is someone else will pay.

a guy not that old started sitting at the front of my local woollies cap on the ground and a cardboard note asking for change I left my $2...then two weeks later there he was again...exact same note..and hat...I usually leave my donation on the way out...this time with 11 yr old grandson in tow.. I noticed a couple of things...so I just kept walking.. no donation this time.. when driving away grandson said did you notice he had a mobile phone... ::) ::) ::).. yes I did plus the bottle of gatorade...for all I know he had a nice car in the car park....its like the guy at the traffic lights wanting to wash my windscreen... usually with a fag in his face.... if those are your priorities then you can count me out...


I think we have just as many bad managers/poor decision makers.......... as we do poor people to be honest.....

Being poor means being unhealthy

Yes the poor can not afford to be healthy or educated

No one in australia is poor by historical standards.
They would be in the top .0001 % of people to have ever been born on planet earth.

But everybodies life is either going up a little or down a little every day.

people think success is due to some talent, or being born into good circumstances or due to luck.

But success is just a decision and a habit.

Most people dont make these decisions to be successful because the ego likes to stay where it is...there is fear of the unknown.
this is called a limiting belief or a success barrier and humans are riddled with them.
In fact, if you are in a family of people with poor diets and poor motivation and you start to eat kale and chicken salads and go to the gym and do night school, your family and friends will probably try to get you to stop....whats up with you?, think youre better then us?
you vegetarian poof!!.

This is the collective ego of success barriers and inertia.

But anyone who wants to can become successful in australia.

eat well
go to the gym
read extensively
develop a positive mindset
only allow positive people into your life
cut contact with negative neurotics
be persistent
embrace problems
approach everyone with a spirit of contribution
in every interaction, add value,
never leech off people
no complaining
no victim mentality
no using others as your emotional tampon.


every one of these actions requires effort and commitment.

if you dont want to do it, this is your call, you will have

Messed Up.

but you dont need to change countries.
Just change your own personal philosophy and it will all change for you.

Or, cower in the corner and cover yourself with a sheet and the government will bring you 3 meals a day and you can live a long and boring and pitiful life.

Your call  ;)

BigOl64 wrote on May 24^th, 2016 at 5:26am:

But it is an opinion based on fact.

ohhh, is it? where are his sources? Or is he, like you, making up the facts to suit his bias?


BigOl64 wrote on May 24^th, 2016 at 5:26am:

But if you can provide your facts that show inter-generational welfare grubs are fine up standing citizens that provide a positive contribution to society, Ill be more than happy to read it.

no problem, right after you show some facts to prove your brain actually works. In all my years of posting on here I've yet to see any evidence that it does.

Dnarever wrote on May 24^th, 2016 at 6:17am:

Being poor means being unhealthy

But doesn't being poor also mean that you can't afford to drink or smoke?

John Smith wrote on May 24^th, 2016 at 7:40am:

BigOl64 wrote on May 24th, 2016 at 5:26am: But it is an opinion based on fact. ohhh, is it? where are his sources? Or is he, like you, making up the facts to suit his bias? BigOl64 wrote on May 24th, 2016 at 5:26am: But if you can provide your facts that show inter-generational welfare grubs are fine up standing citizens that provide a positive contribution to society, Ill be more than happy to read it. no problem, right after you show some facts to prove your brain actually works. In all my years of posting on here I've yet to see any evidence that it does.

intergenerational welfare recipients are really "learned helplessness" recipients.

If you eat bad food, dont exercise, are addicted to stimulation from sugary foods and from computer games, then all of these will really sap your will power.

You will never have enough willpower to fuel change on a continuous basis.
What you have to do is to use the small ammount of willpower you have to change a circumstance.

So rather then thinking you will have enough willpower to overcome the negative mindset of all your family and peers who are mediocre (you wont...who could), you use your small ammount of willpower to maybe move your location.
You maybe hitch hike to a cattle station near Mt Isa and take up a job as a farmhand.
This one little act of willpower then has massive flow on, now you have no access to mcdonalds, you have no access to learned helplessness or to pot , you are surrounded by hard workers, you are eating clean, getting strong.
at night, there is no facebook , so you can read self help books and look at the stars and meditate.
One little act of willpower could change your life.

These decisions are available to us all at all times.
you just need to build momentum

aquascoot wrote on May 24^th, 2016 at 8:37am:

If you eat bad food, dont exercise, are addicted to stimulation from sugary foods and from computer games, then all of these will really sap your will power.

not necessarily about being poor

just look at these examples of poor health

http://resources0.news.com.au/images/1229623/236980-4d0e239a-df09-11e3-bcf2-0a7df6b3a8f7.jpg

http://www.abc.net.au/cm/lb/5132468/data/gina-rinehart-custom-data.jpg

John Smith wrote on May 24^th, 2016 at 9:15am:

aquascoot wrote on May 24th, 2016 at 8:37am: If you eat bad food, dont exercise, are addicted to stimulation from sugary foods and from computer games, then all of these will really sap your will power. not necessarily about being poor just look at these examples of poor health http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2014/05/19/1229623/236980-4d0e239a-df09-11e3-bcf2-0a7df6b3a8f7.jpg

One of the images doesn't show up but, given that it appears to be a photograph of Clive Palmer, maybe that's not such a bad thing.

John Smith wrote on May 24^th, 2016 at 9:15am:

aquascoot wrote on May 24th, 2016 at 8:37am: If you eat bad food, dont exercise, are addicted to stimulation from sugary foods and from computer games, then all of these will really sap your will power. not necessarily about being poor just look at these examples of poor health http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2014/05/19/1229623/236980-4d0e239a-df09-11e3-bcf2-0a7df6b3a8f7.jpg http://www.abc.net.au/cm/lb/5132468/data/gina-rinehart-custom-data.jpg

being rich does not gaurantee success.
once people become rich, they will soon discover this will not maintain them in "state"
they then need to search for an area of contribution.

Miss rinehart is an example of attachment to money as a means of "keeping score"
this is low consciousness.
she has destroyed her relationship with her children over this low conscious behaviour
she has destroyed her health

addiction and attachment to anything...drugs, sugar, money, cars , boats and big houses is still attachment .

attachment to the idea that you are superior because you are spiritual is still ego driven and attachment.

she needs to meditate for 20 minutes a day and do yoga and find a cause outside of herself to become passionate about.
this is the way of the superior mining magnate

aquascoot wrote on May 24^th, 2016 at 9:26am:

being rich does not gaurantee success.

and being poor doesn't guarantee poor health.

Wolseley wrote on May 24^th, 2016 at 9:25am:

John Smith wrote on May 24th, 2016 at 9:15am: aquascoot wrote on May 24th, 2016 at 8:37am: If you eat bad food, dont exercise, are addicted to stimulation from sugary foods and from computer games, then all of these will really sap your will power. not necessarily about being poor just look at these examples of poor health http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2014/05/19/1229623/236980-4d0e239a-df09-11e3-bcf2-0a7df6b3a8f7.jpg One of the images doesn't show up but, given that it appears to be a photograph of Clive Palmer, maybe that's not such a bad thing.

None of them show up on my screen ... I don't know why. Anyway, the photos were off Clive and Gina

When ever I go out to the western proletarian zones of Sydney I'm just amazed at the body shapes compared to the my cloistered beach side suburb.

My daughters and all of her friends have no interest in retail junk food like Mc$hit.

I often casually quiz them if they've tried it and the most frequent answer is it's disgusting factory food for people who don't know any better.

I've had a car full of her friends coming over for a play date and told them they can have anything they like for lunch, I had to swing by the deli for some prosciutto, bocconcini cheese and baguettes, cost, about $15.  I bet going to Mc$hit with 5 kids would cost way more than that.

Mrs Gordy has some friends in the less affluent area of Sydney and when we go to their kids birthday parties I'm almost tempted to call DOCS to report the parents for child abuse. They're all fatties. The parents are fatties and they guzzle down the Coke, fanta and even have their parties and Mc$hit.

Another observation is when my daughter plays sport. We're starting to play teams way out of our area and the amount of porky kids is off the scale. A little puppy fat is one thing but I'm talking about kids with overhanging tummy rolls and bingo wings. I've also seen parents so fat they're on mobility scooters.

John Smith wrote on May 24^th, 2016 at 9:15am:

aquascoot wrote on May 24th, 2016 at 8:37am: If you eat bad food, dont exercise, are addicted to stimulation from sugary foods and from computer games, then all of these will really sap your will power. not necessarily about being poor just look at these examples of poor health http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2014/05/19/1229623/236980-4d0e239a-df09-11e3-bcf2-0a7df6b3a8f7.jpg http://www.abc.net.au/cm/lb/5132468/data/gina-rinehart-custom-data.jpg

Yes john, there are unhealthy rich people, and healthy poor people.  However, these are not distributed in equal measure. 

You don't need to get up in arms about generalised observations - they don't apply to 100% of cases, and nobody said they did, but if say, 2/3 of poor people are fat and 1/3 of rich people are, it's a pretty significant trend that porobably should be addressed, rather than swept under the carpet.

Mistress Nicole wrote on May 23^rd, 2016 at 10:53pm:

ian wrote on May 23rd, 2016 at 10:45pm: Mistress Nicole wrote on May 23rd, 2016 at 9:43pm: Those from Lower socioeconomic backgrounds also suffer more trauma, and abuse in childhood. I'm sure you wouldn't disagree Juliar - it's a revolving door. I'm a sixth gen Aussie who still believes in "a fair go". You? Our society is paying child abusers to have kids. Maybe we need to cut out that incentive. Hi Ian, I was unaware of that. Could you be so kind as to link me to it? Cheers Nicole

Ian's parents.

... wrote on May 24^th, 2016 at 9:33am:

John Smith wrote on May 24th, 2016 at 9:15am: aquascoot wrote on May 24th, 2016 at 8:37am: If you eat bad food, dont exercise, are addicted to stimulation from sugary foods and from computer games, then all of these will really sap your will power. not necessarily about being poor just look at these examples of poor health http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2014/05/19/1229623/236980-4d0e239a-df09-11e3-bcf2-0a7df6b3a8f7.jpg http://www.abc.net.au/cm/lb/5132468/data/gina-rinehart-custom-data.jpg Yes john, there are unhealthy rich people, and healthy poor people.  However, these are not distributed in equal measure.  You don't need to get up in arms about generalised observations - they don't apply to 100% of cases, and nobody said they did, but if say, 2/3 of poor people are fat and 1/3 of rich people are, it's a pretty significant trend that porobably should be addressed, rather than swept under the carpet.

Its amazing that poor women , in particular, havent cottoned onto the idea of eating better and exercising.

This is not meant to be a misogynistic statement, merely a realistic statement.....

a woman who is poor but who

handles her nutrition
handles her weight
handles her emotions
learns to be good in bed
learns to be quiet at the right times and not be clingy

can EASILY snag a high quality guy and improve her social  circumstance by 1000%.

in fact, she deserves a high quality guy because she has become a high quality woman.

None of the above activities cost a cent and they are just  common sense.

i would go so far as to say, because of the evolutionary pressure of coming up from poverty, such a woman is even more valuable then a bratty rich party girl who likes to do coke and buy expensive handbags.

if i could give one bit of advice to young girls in poor families it would be to follow aquascoots simple recipe.

BUT they wont and this is entirley due to the limiting beliefs and success barriers of the poor.
How pitiful  :'( :'(

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on May 23^rd, 2016 at 9:46pm:

Mistress Nicole wrote on May 23rd, 2016 at 9:43pm: Those from Lower socioeconomic backgrounds also suffer more trauma, and abuse in childhood. I'm sure you wouldn't disagree Juliar - it's a revolving door. I'm a sixth gen Aussie who still believes in "a fair go". You? what we need to do is to lower welfare payments so that people eat more vegetable etc instead of macca's and smoking cigarettes...

Vegetable prices the way they are its cheaper buying maccas

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 24^th, 2016 at 11:00am:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on May 23rd, 2016 at 9:46pm: Mistress Nicole wrote on May 23rd, 2016 at 9:43pm: Those from Lower socioeconomic backgrounds also suffer more trauma, and abuse in childhood. I'm sure you wouldn't disagree Juliar - it's a revolving door. I'm a sixth gen Aussie who still believes in "a fair go". You? what we need to do is to lower welfare payments so that people eat more vegetable etc instead of macca's and smoking cigarettes... Vegetable prices the way they are its cheaper buying maccas

No, that is not true at all. 

It never was true, but certain people like to repeat it because it gives the impression that it's a lack of resources rather than laziness and/or lack of knowledge that they eat poo, which shifts responsibility somewhat, and ensures nothing positive will come of it. 

The harder a persons life the more they want to zonk themselves out. They don't like their reality. With this instability comes all the other problems. Black, white the whole world over the poor suffer from the same issues. It has nothing to do with genetic inferiority. You get rich people and put them in the shoes of the poor and many will adapt these poor issues.

... wrote on May 24^th, 2016 at 11:05am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 24th, 2016 at 11:00am: President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on May 23rd, 2016 at 9:46pm: Mistress Nicole wrote on May 23rd, 2016 at 9:43pm: Those from Lower socioeconomic backgrounds also suffer more trauma, and abuse in childhood. I'm sure you wouldn't disagree Juliar - it's a revolving door. I'm a sixth gen Aussie who still believes in "a fair go". You? what we need to do is to lower welfare payments so that people eat more vegetable etc instead of macca's and smoking cigarettes... Vegetable prices the way they are its cheaper buying maccas No, that is not true at all.  It never was true, but certain people like to repeat it because it gives the impression that it's a lack of resources rather than laziness and/or lack of knowledge that they eat poo, which shifts responsibility somewhat, and ensures nothing positive will come of it.

For a single person it essentially becomes that. Families will find it easier, but again its a multifactorial problem involving just more than more resources or bludgers are lazy.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 24^th, 2016 at 11:09am:

... wrote on May 24th, 2016 at 11:05am: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 24th, 2016 at 11:00am: President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on May 23rd, 2016 at 9:46pm: Mistress Nicole wrote on May 23rd, 2016 at 9:43pm: Those from Lower socioeconomic backgrounds also suffer more trauma, and abuse in childhood. I'm sure you wouldn't disagree Juliar - it's a revolving door. I'm a sixth gen Aussie who still believes in "a fair go". You? what we need to do is to lower welfare payments so that people eat more vegetable etc instead of macca's and smoking cigarettes... Vegetable prices the way they are its cheaper buying maccas No, that is not true at all.  It never was true, but certain people like to repeat it because it gives the impression that it's a lack of resources rather than laziness and/or lack of knowledge that they eat poo, which shifts responsibility somewhat, and ensures nothing positive will come of it.  For a single person it essentially becomes that. Families will find it easier, but again its a multifactorial problem involving just more than more resources or bludgers are lazy.

I sometimes find it a struggle to motivate myself to cook and eat well when it's just me I need to feed, but that is entirely my own fault.  When I work away I buy fresh food daily and manage to eat cheaply and decently - sure it'd be easier to say "bugger it I'm getting maccas" but taking the easy route isn't often the best route.  There's probably a very strong correlation between people who consistently take the easy route, and people who don't ever amount to anything.

... wrote on May 24^th, 2016 at 11:16am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 24th, 2016 at 11:09am: ... wrote on May 24th, 2016 at 11:05am: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 24th, 2016 at 11:00am: President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on May 23rd, 2016 at 9:46pm: Mistress Nicole wrote on May 23rd, 2016 at 9:43pm: Those from Lower socioeconomic backgrounds also suffer more trauma, and abuse in childhood. I'm sure you wouldn't disagree Juliar - it's a revolving door. I'm a sixth gen Aussie who still believes in "a fair go". You? what we need to do is to lower welfare payments so that people eat more vegetable etc instead of macca's and smoking cigarettes... Vegetable prices the way they are its cheaper buying maccas No, that is not true at all.  It never was true, but certain people like to repeat it because it gives the impression that it's a lack of resources rather than laziness and/or lack of knowledge that they eat poo, which shifts responsibility somewhat, and ensures nothing positive will come of it.  For a single person it essentially becomes that. Families will find it easier, but again its a multifactorial problem involving just more than more resources or bludgers are lazy. I sometimes find it a struggle to motivate myself to cook and eat well when it's just me I need to feed, but that is entirely my own fault.  When I work away I buy fresh food daily and manage to eat cheaply and decently - sure it'd be easier to say "bugger it I'm getting maccas" but taking the easy route isn't often the best route.  There's probably a very strong correlation between people who consistently take the easy route, and people who don't ever amount to anything.

Possibly.

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2016 at 11:09am:

The harder a persons life the more they want to zonk themselves out. They don't like their reality. With this instability comes all the other problems. Black, white the whole world over the poor suffer from the same issues. It has nothing to do with genetic inferiority. You get rich people and put them in the shoes of the poor and many will adapt these poor issues.

thats a true statement hammer.
i remember driving thru Hall Creek and all the aboriginal kids were petrol sniffing.
This is just trying to escape from a reality.
It is a decent into "unconsciousness". it is a desire to feel nothing.
I dont preach "positive psychology" as some flippant BS.
If you dont develop a positive mindset thru years and years of brutal training , you are giving yourself and your life a death sentence.
And the cry baby victim story is just a rationalisation for those who wont try.
The problem is very rarely a lack of "resources "(please watch academy award winning A Beautiful Life about the very positive man in the concentration camp), the problem is ALWAYS a lack of "resourcefulness."

also , you could not get cheaper food then brown rice and bulk unwashed potatoes to provide your basic nutrition. lets stop this nonsense talk about a $7 big mac being a cheap meal for the poor

aquascoot wrote on May 24^th, 2016 at 11:18am:

lets stop this nonsense talk about a $7 big mac being a cheap meal for the poor

When was the last time you were actually at a Maccas. Big Macs have never been 7 dollars.

aquascoot wrote on May 24^th, 2016 at 11:18am:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24th, 2016 at 11:09am: The harder a persons life the more they want to zonk themselves out. They don't like their reality. With this instability comes all the other problems. Black, white the whole world over the poor suffer from the same issues. It has nothing to do with genetic inferiority. You get rich people and put them in the shoes of the poor and many will adapt these poor issues. thats a true statement hammer. i remember driving thru Hall Creek and all the aboriginal kids were petrol sniffing. This is just trying to escape from a reality. It is a decent into "unconsciousness". it is a desire to feel nothing. I dont preach "positive psychology" as some flippant BS. If you dont develop a positive mindset thru years and years of brutal training , you are giving yourself and your life a death sentence. And the cry baby victim story is just a rationalisation for those who wont try. The problem is very rarely a lack of "resources "(please watch academy award winning A Beautiful Life about the very positive man in the concentration camp), the problem is ALWAYS a lack of "resourcefulness." also , you could not get cheaper food then brown rice and bulk unwashed potatoes to provide your basic nutrition. lets stop this nonsense talk about a $7 big mac being a cheap meal for the poor

Thanks aqua. I grew up in the worst part of western Sydney . My mother and father held it together and we got out but many I know didn't make it. I know of 3 murders , some ODs, other deaths, crimes, mental illness etc. My sisters girlfriend from her school days had her sister murdered. They were at a party and there was a love triangle and a boy shot her . The other boy involved was my best mate when we were younger. He died of a herion overdose in his early 20's. He was from an abusive home. If a persons life is really that fun something like maccas is a treat. For others it's laziness, depression etc. It's a very complicated issue. Where I grew up I never witnessed people jogging. It's different with the wealthier suburbs. People are trying not to die. The poor don't care as much.

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2016 at 11:29am:

aquascoot wrote on May 24th, 2016 at 11:18am: Mr Hammer wrote on May 24th, 2016 at 11:09am: The harder a persons life the more they want to zonk themselves out. They don't like their reality. With this instability comes all the other problems. Black, white the whole world over the poor suffer from the same issues. It has nothing to do with genetic inferiority. You get rich people and put them in the shoes of the poor and many will adapt these poor issues. thats a true statement hammer. i remember driving thru Hall Creek and all the aboriginal kids were petrol sniffing. This is just trying to escape from a reality. It is a decent into "unconsciousness". it is a desire to feel nothing. I dont preach "positive psychology" as some flippant BS. If you dont develop a positive mindset thru years and years of brutal training , you are giving yourself and your life a death sentence. And the cry baby victim story is just a rationalisation for those who wont try. The problem is very rarely a lack of "resources "(please watch academy award winning A Beautiful Life about the very positive man in the concentration camp), the problem is ALWAYS a lack of "resourcefulness." also , you could not get cheaper food then brown rice and bulk unwashed potatoes to provide your basic nutrition. lets stop this nonsense talk about a $7 big mac being a cheap meal for the poor Thanks aqua. I grew up in the worst part of western Sydney . My mother and father held it together and we got out but many I know didn't make it. I know of 3 murders , some ODs, other deaths, crimes, mental illness etc. My sisters girlfriend from her school days had her sister murdered. They were at a party and there was a love triangle and a boy shot her . The other boy involved was my best mate when we were younger. He died of a herion overdose in his early 20's. He was from an abusive home. If a persons life is really that fun something like maccas is a treat. For others it's laziness, depression etc. It's a very complicated issue. Where I grew up I never witnessed people jogging. It's different with the wealthier suburbs. People are trying not to die. The poor don't care as much.

not that fun

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 24^th, 2016 at 11:19am:

aquascoot wrote on May 24th, 2016 at 11:18am: lets stop this nonsense talk about a $7 big mac being a cheap meal for the poor When was the last time you were actually at a Maccas. Big Macs have never been 7 dollars.

never , to be honest.
pizza, KFC, soft drink, maccas....they are relying on stimulation of the taste buds and stimulation is a bad mindset.
stimulation will never lead to long lasting happiness..how can it ?

i have a strange relationship with my mind.
even if my mind told me a Big Mac might be good, i dont trust my mind, i view my mind like a finnicky horse that i have to work with and i'm going to win.
I know that sounds weird (me versus my mind) but you just go from victory to victory and you feel more and more powerful.
Now my finicky horse of a mind, which i have tamed thru years of brutal training, is a great horse and we work great as a team and i wouldnt trade it in.
But you have to get momentum and you have to get mindfulness and you have to live in the "now".

i wouldnt ever eat that stuff.
i wouldnt ever have a day where i dont exercise
i wouldnt ever have a problem where i became a cry baby over it.

you just say  , my mind says this but F*ck my mind, I'm gunna win.

its incredibly empowering.  ;) ;)

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 24^th, 2016 at 11:19am:

aquascoot wrote on May 24th, 2016 at 11:18am: lets stop this nonsense talk about a $7 big mac being a cheap meal for the poor When was the last time you were actually at a Maccas. Big Macs have never been 7 dollars.

I don't know what a big mac costs, but I do know that a big mac isn't going to satisfy anyone but a small child.  Whenever I eat from maccas, my meal costs about $15, then I immediately regret it because it feels like I've swallowed a bowling ball.

... wrote on May 24^th, 2016 at 11:37am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 24th, 2016 at 11:19am: aquascoot wrote on May 24th, 2016 at 11:18am: lets stop this nonsense talk about a $7 big mac being a cheap meal for the poor When was the last time you were actually at a Maccas. Big Macs have never been 7 dollars. I don't know what a big mac costs, but I do know that a big mac isn't going to satisfy anyone but a small child.  Whenever I eat from maccas, my meal costs about $15, then I immediately regret it because it feels like I've swallowed a bowling ball.

You must be getting extra then a medium meal costs 10.45

aquascoot wrote on May 24^th, 2016 at 11:35am:

Now my finicky horse of a mind, which i have tamed thru years of brutal training, is a great horse and we work great as a team and i wouldnt trade it in.

My independant assessment is that its more a horse that either
1. Needs the big hessian screen
2. Is Clag

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 24^th, 2016 at 11:41am:

aquascoot wrote on May 24th, 2016 at 11:35am: Now my finicky horse of a mind, which i have tamed thru years of brutal training, is a great horse and we work great as a team and i wouldnt trade it in. My independant assessment is that its more a horse that either 1. Needs the big hessian screen 2. Is Clag

this is what i mean about mindfulness training and gathering as many reference experiences as possible.
when you do this, you will discover that your mind is unreliable and doesnt act in your best interests.
your mind, when you get cut off in traffic may become very angry...F*ck your mind...dont trust it.

your mind when your partner upsets you may lead you to hit the bottle or gorge down chocalates...F*ck your mind...dont trust it.

Your mind , when you wake up, may tell you to stay in your nice warm bed and not hit the gym...F*ck your mind...dont trust it.

Your mind may tell you to buy some expensive thing you cant afford....

and on and on it goes.

You have to develop the habits to win these little battles, over and over and over again.
It just becomes easier and easier.

its just a simple matter of habits.
Most people get into the habit of cleaning their teeth every day...they dont have to get into a big mental debate about it.  You can develop the same momentum with nearly every aspect of your life.
If you can resolve to clean your teeth every day, you can certainly resolve to walk the dog every day, eat an apple every day, etc etc etc....everything feeds into everything....the little .00001 % improvements are like compound interest  ;)

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24^th, 2016 at 11:29am:

I grew up in the worst part of western Sydney . My mother and father held it together and we got out but many I know didn't make it. I know of 3 murders , some ODs, other deaths, crimes, mental illness etc. My sisters girlfriend from her school days had her sister murdered. They were at a party and there was a love triangle and a boy shot her . The other boy involved was my best mate when we were younger. He died of a herion overdose in his early 20's. He was from an abusive home. If a persons life is really that fun something like maccas is a treat. For others it's laziness, depression etc. It's a very complicated issue. Where I grew up I never witnessed people jogging. It's different with the wealthier suburbs. People are trying not to die. The poor don't care as much.

It was very evident that Hammer came from a deprived and depraved society suffering from financial, intellectual, moral and spiritual poverty.

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 24^th, 2016 at 12:17pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24th, 2016 at 11:29am: I grew up in the worst part of western Sydney . My mother and father held it together and we got out but many I know didn't make it. I know of 3 murders , some ODs, other deaths, crimes, mental illness etc. My sisters girlfriend from her school days had her sister murdered. They were at a party and there was a love triangle and a boy shot her . The other boy involved was my best mate when we were younger. He died of a herion overdose in his early 20's. He was from an abusive home. If a persons life is really that fun something like maccas is a treat. For others it's laziness, depression etc. It's a very complicated issue. Where I grew up I never witnessed people jogging. It's different with the wealthier suburbs. People are trying not to die. The poor don't care as much. It was very evident that Hammer came from a deprived and depraved society suffering from financial, intellectual, moral and spiritual poverty.

there are countless people who have come from very poor circumstances and gone on to be great contributors.
there are countless people who have had every financial , intellectual , moral and spiritual advantage and have spent their life in and out of rehab.

It is your own personal psychology which is the most important factor.

a rich spoilt good looking brat may have no negative feedback to learn from.
a kid with massive disadvantages (but the right way of dealing with it) has the reference experiences of overcoming all these obstacles and will generally be killing it in life if he comes up against the weaker spoilt rich kid.
its why the cry baby narrative of the poor is simply untrue (especially in australia where NO ONE is truly poor).
with the right personal philosophy , i think you would be better off in australia to be born into adversity as you almost have to seek out adversity in australia , life is just too comfortable and too easy

John Smith wrote on May 24^th, 2016 at 7:40am:

BigOl64 wrote on May 24th, 2016 at 5:26am: But it is an opinion based on fact. ohhh, is it? where are his sources? Or is he, like you, making up the facts to suit his bias? BigOl64 wrote on May 24th, 2016 at 5:26am: But if you can provide your facts that show inter-generational welfare grubs are fine up standing citizens that provide a positive contribution to society, Ill be more than happy to read it. no problem, right after you show some facts to prove your brain actually works. In all my years of posting on here I've yet to see any evidence that it does.

So you got nothing then?


Except of course your usual ad hominem attacks when you have been caught out.

aquascoot wrote on May 24^th, 2016 at 11:57am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 24th, 2016 at 11:41am: aquascoot wrote on May 24th, 2016 at 11:35am: Now my finicky horse of a mind, which i have tamed thru years of brutal training, is a great horse and we work great as a team and i wouldnt trade it in. My independant assessment is that its more a horse that either 1. Needs the big hessian screen 2. Is Clag this is what i mean about mindfulness training and gathering as many reference experiences as possible. when you do this, you will discover that your mind is unreliable and doesnt act in your best interests. your mind, when you get cut off in traffic may become very angry...F*ck your mind...dont trust it. your mind when your partner upsets you may lead you to hit the bottle or gorge down chocalates...F*ck your mind...dont trust it. Your mind , when you wake up, may tell you to stay in your nice warm bed and not hit the gym...F*ck your mind...dont trust it. Your mind may tell you to buy some expensive thing you cant afford.... and on and on it goes. You have to develop the habits to win these little battles, over and over and over again. It just becomes easier and easier. its just a simple matter of habits. Most people get into the habit of cleaning their teeth every day...they dont have to get into a big mental debate about it.  You can develop the same momentum with nearly every aspect of your life. If you can resolve to clean your teeth every day, you can certainly resolve to walk the dog every day, eat an apple every day, etc etc etc....everything feeds into everything....the little .00001 % improvements are like compound interest  ;)

IN the sense they are nothing like compound interest.

BigOl64 wrote on May 24^th, 2016 at 12:48pm:

John Smith wrote on May 24th, 2016 at 7:40am: BigOl64 wrote on May 24th, 2016 at 5:26am: But it is an opinion based on fact. ohhh, is it? where are his sources? Or is he, like you, making up the facts to suit his bias? BigOl64 wrote on May 24th, 2016 at 5:26am: But if you can provide your facts that show inter-generational welfare grubs are fine up standing citizens that provide a positive contribution to society, Ill be more than happy to read it. no problem, right after you show some facts to prove your brain actually works. In all my years of posting on here I've yet to see any evidence that it does. So you got nothing then? Except of course your usual ad hominem attacks when you have been caught out.

I'm not in the habit of providing evidence for something you said bigol . :D :D

John Smith wrote on May 24^th, 2016 at 1:05pm:

BigOl64 wrote on May 24th, 2016 at 12:48pm: John Smith wrote on May 24th, 2016 at 7:40am: BigOl64 wrote on May 24th, 2016 at 5:26am: But it is an opinion based on fact. ohhh, is it? where are his sources? Or is he, like you, making up the facts to suit his bias? BigOl64 wrote on May 24th, 2016 at 5:26am: But if you can provide your facts that show inter-generational welfare grubs are fine up standing citizens that provide a positive contribution to society, Ill be more than happy to read it. no problem, right after you show some facts to prove your brain actually works. In all my years of posting on here I've yet to see any evidence that it does. So you got nothing then? Except of course your usual ad hominem attacks when you have been caught out. I'm not in the habit of providing evidence for something you said bigol . :D :D

So what you demand of others you are quite happy to refuse to do yourself. To know someone is absolutely wrong you must base it on verifiable fact, unless your opinion holds more sway than the writer.


You and greg have a lot in common, don't you.

Hypocrisy being the first order.

BigOl64 wrote on May 24^th, 2016 at 1:39pm:

So what you demand of others you are quite happy to refuse to do yourself.

that 'a dickheads opinion is not fact'? you want evidence of that?  ;D ;D

I kinda thought it was a given :D :D
Is that enough proof for you bigol?

You can live a decent, healthy lifestyle without having tonnes of money.

In fact I think not having a lot is character building and makes you appreciate your assets when you do have more.
The worst lot are those who feel the need to blame everyone else for their own situation rather than working harder to get themselves out of it.

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on May 23^rd, 2016 at 9:46pm:

Mistress Nicole wrote on May 23rd, 2016 at 9:43pm: Those from Lower socioeconomic backgrounds also suffer more trauma, and abuse in childhood. I'm sure you wouldn't disagree Juliar - it's a revolving door. I'm a sixth gen Aussie who still believes in "a fair go". You? what we need to do is to lower welfare payments so that people eat more vegetable etc instead of macca's and smoking cigarettes...

;D ;D ;D

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on May 23^rd, 2016 at 9:46pm:

Mistress Nicole wrote on May 23rd, 2016 at 9:43pm: Those from Lower socioeconomic backgrounds also suffer more trauma, and abuse in childhood. I'm sure you wouldn't disagree Juliar - it's a revolving door. I'm a sixth gen Aussie who still believes in "a fair go". You? what we need to do is to lower welfare payments so that people eat more vegetable etc instead of macca's and smoking cigarettes...

What about publishing investment advice on beer cans and beer cartons?

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 24^th, 2016 at 4:28pm:

You can live a decent, healthy lifestyle without having tonnes of money. In fact I think not having a lot is character building and makes you appreciate your assets when you do have more. The worst lot are those who feel the need to blame everyone else for their own situation rather than working harder to get themselves out of it.

Eating healthfully is cheaper than eating crap, unless you're a lazy slob.

I have porridge for breaky 6 days a week.

I have a can of beans, either 4 bean mix, chick peas, red beans with a cucumber and tomato and a bit of balsamic vinegar stirred thu for lunch 5 days a week (unless I'm having lunch with clients)

That's $5 a day for lunch and breakfast. I don't do it for the price tho, have a read about what pulses and oats do for regulating your blood sugars.

GordyL wrote on May 24^th, 2016 at 5:21pm:

I have a can of beans, either 4 bean mix, chick peas, red beans with a cucumber and tomato and a bit of balsamic vinegar stirred thu for lunch 5 days a week (unless I'm having lunch with clients)

Are you a male prostitute?

On the oat and bean diet you could win the Melbourne cup. Are you running?

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 24^th, 2016 at 5:41pm:

GordyL wrote on May 24th, 2016 at 5:21pm: I have a can of beans, either 4 bean mix, chick peas, red beans with a cucumber and tomato and a bit of balsamic vinegar stirred thu for lunch 5 days a week (unless I'm having lunch with clients) Are you a male prostitute? On the oat and bean diet you could win the Melbourne cup. Are you running?

What does eating well have to do with male prostitutes? Does everything make you think of male prostitutes, how bizarre.

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 24^th, 2016 at 12:17pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 24th, 2016 at 11:29am: I grew up in the worst part of western Sydney . My mother and father held it together and we got out but many I know didn't make it. I know of 3 murders , some ODs, other deaths, crimes, mental illness etc. My sisters girlfriend from her school days had her sister murdered. They were at a party and there was a love triangle and a boy shot her . The other boy involved was my best mate when we were younger. He died of a herion overdose in his early 20's. He was from an abusive home. If a persons life is really that fun something like maccas is a treat. For others it's laziness, depression etc. It's a very complicated issue. Where I grew up I never witnessed people jogging. It's different with the wealthier suburbs. People are trying not to die. The poor don't care as much. It was very evident that Hammer came from a deprived and depraved society suffering from financial, intellectual, moral and spiritual poverty.

I don't come from India. That's your homeland. My house when I was young had running water and sewerage. You poohed in the gutter.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 24^th, 2016 at 4:28pm:

You can live a decent, healthy lifestyle without having tonnes of money. In fact I think not having a lot is character building and makes you appreciate your assets when you do have more. The worst lot are those who feel the need to blame everyone else for their own situation rather than working harder to get themselves out of it.

You can live a decent, healthy lifestyle without having tonnes of money.


Yes but not if you are poor

... wrote on May 24^th, 2016 at 11:05am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 24th, 2016 at 11:00am: President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on May 23rd, 2016 at 9:46pm: Mistress Nicole wrote on May 23rd, 2016 at 9:43pm: Those from Lower socioeconomic backgrounds also suffer more trauma, and abuse in childhood. I'm sure you wouldn't disagree Juliar - it's a revolving door. I'm a sixth gen Aussie who still believes in "a fair go". You? what we need to do is to lower welfare payments so that people eat more vegetable etc instead of macca's and smoking cigarettes... Vegetable prices the way they are its cheaper buying maccas No, that is not true at all.  It never was true, but certain people like to repeat it because it gives the impression that it's a lack of resources rather than laziness and/or lack of knowledge that they eat poo, which shifts responsibility somewhat, and ensures nothing positive will come of it.

I think that the statement is an exaggeration only meant to point out that vegetables are expensive.

GordyL wrote on May 24^th, 2016 at 5:21pm:

Eating healthfully is cheaper than eating crap

that's becoming less and less so . Fresh food and meats are becoming more expensive whilst junk food is getting cheaper


GordyL wrote on May 24^th, 2016 at 5:21pm:

I have porridge for breaky 6 days a week.

I knew there was something wrong with you


GordyL wrote on May 24^th, 2016 at 5:21pm:

I have a can of beans, either 4 bean mix, chick peas, red beans with a cucumber and tomato and a bit of balsamic vinegar stirred thu for lunch 5 days a week (unless I'm having lunch with clients)

Ok ... you're back in my good books.

Dnarever wrote on May 24^th, 2016 at 8:58pm:

... wrote on May 24th, 2016 at 11:05am: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 24th, 2016 at 11:00am: President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on May 23rd, 2016 at 9:46pm: Mistress Nicole wrote on May 23rd, 2016 at 9:43pm: Those from Lower socioeconomic backgrounds also suffer more trauma, and abuse in childhood. I'm sure you wouldn't disagree Juliar - it's a revolving door. I'm a sixth gen Aussie who still believes in "a fair go". You? what we need to do is to lower welfare payments so that people eat more vegetable etc instead of macca's and smoking cigarettes... Vegetable prices the way they are its cheaper buying maccas No, that is not true at all.  It never was true, but certain people like to repeat it because it gives the impression that it's a lack of resources rather than laziness and/or lack of knowledge that they eat poo, which shifts responsibility somewhat, and ensures nothing positive will come of it.  I think that the statement is an exaggeration only meant to point out that vegetables are expensive.

But vegetables are not expensive.  Where did you get the idea they were?

... wrote on May 24^th, 2016 at 9:04pm:

Dnarever wrote on May 24th, 2016 at 8:58pm: ... wrote on May 24th, 2016 at 11:05am: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 24th, 2016 at 11:00am: President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on May 23rd, 2016 at 9:46pm: Mistress Nicole wrote on May 23rd, 2016 at 9:43pm: Those from Lower socioeconomic backgrounds also suffer more trauma, and abuse in childhood. I'm sure you wouldn't disagree Juliar - it's a revolving door. I'm a sixth gen Aussie who still believes in "a fair go". You? what we need to do is to lower welfare payments so that people eat more vegetable etc instead of macca's and smoking cigarettes... Vegetable prices the way they are its cheaper buying maccas No, that is not true at all.  It never was true, but certain people like to repeat it because it gives the impression that it's a lack of resources rather than laziness and/or lack of knowledge that they eat poo, which shifts responsibility somewhat, and ensures nothing positive will come of it.  I think that the statement is an exaggeration only meant to point out that vegetables are expensive. But vegetables are not expensive.  Where did you get the idea they were?

Where did you get the idea

The fruit and veg shop and supermarkets.

I find fruit and vegetables very cheap, especially if you buy what's on special each week.

I don't eat McDonalds/KFC but I imagine it would be very much more expensive.

Dnarever wrote on May 24^th, 2016 at 9:07pm:

... wrote on May 24th, 2016 at 9:04pm: Dnarever wrote on May 24th, 2016 at 8:58pm: ... wrote on May 24th, 2016 at 11:05am: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 24th, 2016 at 11:00am: President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on May 23rd, 2016 at 9:46pm: Mistress Nicole wrote on May 23rd, 2016 at 9:43pm: Those from Lower socioeconomic backgrounds also suffer more trauma, and abuse in childhood. I'm sure you wouldn't disagree Juliar - it's a revolving door. I'm a sixth gen Aussie who still believes in "a fair go". You? what we need to do is to lower welfare payments so that people eat more vegetable etc instead of macca's and smoking cigarettes... Vegetable prices the way they are its cheaper buying maccas No, that is not true at all.  It never was true, but certain people like to repeat it because it gives the impression that it's a lack of resources rather than laziness and/or lack of knowledge that they eat poo, which shifts responsibility somewhat, and ensures nothing positive will come of it.  I think that the statement is an exaggeration only meant to point out that vegetables are expensive. But vegetables are not expensive.  Where did you get the idea they were? Where did you get the idea The fruit and veg shop and supermarkets.

I don't believe you.

Spuds, carrots, onions for a dollar a kilo.
Cauliflower, broccoli a dollar a head.
Tomato, zucchini for 2 - 3 dollars a kilo.

In what world would that be considered expensive?

Meat can be expensive, but it's just not true about vegetables.  Please stop making up excuses.

Dnarever wrote on May 24^th, 2016 at 9:07pm:

... wrote on May 24th, 2016 at 9:04pm: Dnarever wrote on May 24th, 2016 at 8:58pm: ... wrote on May 24th, 2016 at 11:05am: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 24th, 2016 at 11:00am: President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on May 23rd, 2016 at 9:46pm: Mistress Nicole wrote on May 23rd, 2016 at 9:43pm: Those from Lower socioeconomic backgrounds also suffer more trauma, and abuse in childhood. I'm sure you wouldn't disagree Juliar - it's a revolving door. I'm a sixth gen Aussie who still believes in "a fair go". You? what we need to do is to lower welfare payments so that people eat more vegetable etc instead of macca's and smoking cigarettes... Vegetable prices the way they are its cheaper buying maccas No, that is not true at all.  It never was true, but certain people like to repeat it because it gives the impression that it's a lack of resources rather than laziness and/or lack of knowledge that they eat poo, which shifts responsibility somewhat, and ensures nothing positive will come of it.  I think that the statement is an exaggeration only meant to point out that vegetables are expensive. But vegetables are not expensive.  Where did you get the idea they were? Where did you get the idea The fruit and veg shop and supermarkets.

uh oh..

someone who doesn't do the shopping..

a macca's eater..  :-/

... wrote on May 24^th, 2016 at 9:12pm:

Dnarever wrote on May 24th, 2016 at 9:07pm: ... wrote on May 24th, 2016 at 9:04pm: Dnarever wrote on May 24th, 2016 at 8:58pm: ... wrote on May 24th, 2016 at 11:05am: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 24th, 2016 at 11:00am: President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on May 23rd, 2016 at 9:46pm: Mistress Nicole wrote on May 23rd, 2016 at 9:43pm: Those from Lower socioeconomic backgrounds also suffer more trauma, and abuse in childhood. I'm sure you wouldn't disagree Juliar - it's a revolving door. I'm a sixth gen Aussie who still believes in "a fair go". You? what we need to do is to lower welfare payments so that people eat more vegetable etc instead of macca's and smoking cigarettes... Vegetable prices the way they are its cheaper buying maccas No, that is not true at all.  It never was true, but certain people like to repeat it because it gives the impression that it's a lack of resources rather than laziness and/or lack of knowledge that they eat poo, which shifts responsibility somewhat, and ensures nothing positive will come of it.  I think that the statement is an exaggeration only meant to point out that vegetables are expensive. But vegetables are not expensive.  Where did you get the idea they were? Where did you get the idea The fruit and veg shop and supermarkets. I don't believe you. Spuds, carrots, onions for a dollar a kilo. Cauliflower, broccoli a dollar a head. Tomato, zucchini for 2 - 3 dollars a kilo. In what world would that be considered expensive? Meat can be expensive, but it's just not true about vegetables.  Please stop making up excuses.

nailed it..

and hell.. who can't grow potatoes?

you can't go wrong..

... wrote on May 24^th, 2016 at 9:12pm:

Spuds, carrots, onions for a dollar a kilo. Cauliflower, broccoli a dollar a head. Tomato, zucchini for 2 - 3 dollars a kilo.

where the bloody hell do you live? I pay a l;ot more than that on the gold coast

John Smith wrote on May 24^th, 2016 at 9:16pm:

... wrote on May 24th, 2016 at 9:12pm: Spuds, carrots, onions for a dollar a kilo. Cauliflower, broccoli a dollar a head. Tomato, zucchini for 2 - 3 dollars a kilo. where the bloody hell do you live? I pay a l;ot more than that on the gold coast

Check it out - onions 79c for 2kg
butternut 49c/kg
oranges $1.49 kg

I've bought spuds there for as low as 6c/kg, and I know they even gave them away free at one point.

http://www.spudshed.com.au/specials/north-12/

... wrote on May 24^th, 2016 at 9:25pm:

John Smith wrote on May 24th, 2016 at 9:16pm: ... wrote on May 24th, 2016 at 9:12pm: Spuds, carrots, onions for a dollar a kilo. Cauliflower, broccoli a dollar a head. Tomato, zucchini for 2 - 3 dollars a kilo. where the bloody hell do you live? I pay a l;ot more than that on the gold coast Check it out - onions 79c for 2kg butternut 49c/kg oranges $1.49 kg I've bought spuds there for as low as 6c/kg, and I know they even gave them away free at one point. http://www.spudshed.com.au/specials/north-12/

That's cheap.  Brocolli,  cauliflower usually about $5/kg but if you gets what's in season and abundant it's cheap and quality is high. 

pumpkin.. ,80c a Kilo

http://shop.coles.com.au/online/SearchDisplay?storeId=10601&catalogId=10576&langId=-1&beginIndex=0&browseView=false&searchSource=Q&sType=SimpleSearch&resultCatEntryType=2&showResultsPage=true&pageView=image&searchTerm=pumpkin

John Smith wrote on May 24^th, 2016 at 9:16pm:

... wrote on May 24th, 2016 at 9:12pm: Spuds, carrots, onions for a dollar a kilo. Cauliflower, broccoli a dollar a head. Tomato, zucchini for 2 - 3 dollars a kilo. where the bloody hell do you live? I pay a l;ot more than that on the gold coast

It's a bit more where I am, but not excessively so:

Potatoes: $1.49 a kilo
Carrots: $1.20 a kilo
Onions: $1.49 a kilo
Cauliflower: haven't bought one for a few weeks, but I think the last one was $2.50
Broccoli: $5 a kilo (the price of broccoli seems to be a bit high at the moment)
Tomatoes: not sure how many kilos were in it, but I bought a box of them (one of those white expanded polystyrene things) for $13
Zucchini: $2.50 a kilo.

As for salad vegetables, I have enough of them in the garden, so I don't need to get them from the shops.

people who over stimulate their taste buds with spicey pizza and sugary foods will find a piece of brocolli or a bean tastes like garbage (at least til they get back to normal).

people who over stimulate their brains with games on phones or with internet twitter stimuli, will find reading winston churchills biography is like garbage (at least til they get back to normal).

men who watch too much porn or women who are addicted to high stimuli vibrators will find that sex is like garbage (at least until they get back to a realistic sex life).

people will always prefer the easy money from canberra then live by the creed that they never want a dollar they didnt earn (at least til they get back to normal)

in life there is always the easy/wrong way to do things and the right/hard way to do things.

your mind will always go the easy way first.

F*ck your mind.
Train that finicky mind to do what you want it to do.
This is the way of the superior man

aquascoot wrote on May 25^th, 2016 at 7:36am:

people who over stimulate their taste buds with spicey pizza and sugary foods will find a piece of brocolli or a bean tastes like garbage (at least til they get back to normal).

Funny you should say that. As I mentioned before I eat porridge 6 days a week (Sunday is cafe breakfast at the beach). When I had less mastery over my mind I'd put all sorts of things on my porridge like sugar, honey etc.
Now i eat it totally plain. It took about 2 weeks to adjust but now I can appreciate just the great natural taste of the oats.

I also do the same with veggies, I can eat very plain steamed veg and plain pulses.  The ability to live a spartan life takes self control. The great reward is when I have a Thai curry it's like an amazing taste explosion.

GordyL wrote on May 25^th, 2016 at 9:29am:

aquascoot wrote on May 25th, 2016 at 7:36am: people who over stimulate their taste buds with spicey pizza and sugary foods will find a piece of brocolli or a bean tastes like garbage (at least til they get back to normal). Funny you should say that. As I mentioned before I eat porridge 6 days a week (Sunday is cafe breakfast at the beach). When I had less mastery over my mind I'd put all sorts of things on my porridge like sugar, honey etc. Now i eat it totally plain. It took about 2 weeks to adjust but now I can appreciate just the great natural taste of the oats. I also do the same with veggies, I can eat very plain steamed veg and plain pulses.  The ability to live a spartan life takes self control. The great reward is when I have a Thai curry it's like an amazing taste explosion.

The Ultra mind solution by mark Hyman is a good read.
you will feel sharper if you eat your greens and a dash of tumeric.
oats daily reduce your risk of bowel cancer by 50 %. same for brussel sprouts.
i cant comment on cheeseburgers reducing the risk of bowel cancer. Mcdonalds are sitting on the data

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HI ALL

Where in hell do you pay those prices?

:o

You never really know another persons life until you walk in their shoes.

Mr Hammer wrote on May 25^th, 2016 at 9:54am:

You never really know another persons life until you walk in their shoes.

Or take head shots like denizen Mr. Hammer.

I think it depends on perception.

For example

x1 Poor man, who lived relatively unremarkable, up until his 60s.  Because he had never had doctor visits due to cost, he dies suddenly due to heart attack at age of 63.   

x1 Rich man, who lived relatively unremarkable, up until his 60s.  Because, he had money, and best care, he survives heart attack, but lives the next 10 years with severe heart failure.  And the reason he survives its because of the 10 or so medication that he swallows in the morning.

--->  which man is "healthier"?

tickleandrose wrote on May 25^th, 2016 at 1:02pm:

I think it depends on perception. For example x1 Poor man, who lived relatively unremarkable, up until his 60s.  Because he had never had doctor visits due to cost, he dies suddenly due to heart attack at age of 63.    x1 Rich man, who lived relatively unremarkable, up until his 60s.  Because, he had money, and best care, he survives heart attack, but lives the next 10 years with severe heart failure.  And the reason he survives its because of the 10 or so medication that he swallows in the morning. --->  which man is "healthier"?

The rich man is desperate to ensure his money is not bereaved.

aquascoot wrote on May 25^th, 2016 at 9:47am:

The Ultra mind solution by mark Hyman is a good read.

"misinformation, nutritional extremism, misapplication of statistics, self-promotion, and redundant writing"

"he ventures too far into the realm of pseudo-science and greatly discounts the value of pharmaceuticals. The primary problem is that there is no way to scientifically verify his assertions, since in his view the prescription varies so widely from person to person and involves a web of dietary, behavioral, and environmental changes that are entirely specific to the individual and that cannot heal the person’s mind-body problems unless made all in conjunction with each other. This is more like divination than science. (No wonder he charges his patients a $2,000 consulting fee--or so I've heard.)"

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