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Message started by juliar on May 23rd, 2016 at 7:20pm

Title: More Great Greenie Lies
Post by juliar on May 23rd, 2016 at 7:20pm
Lying hypocritical Greenie Warmists just LOVE the Great Barrier Reef.

It enables them to tell SO many lies.  That coral "bleaching" (expulsion of symbiotic algae) has been happening for millions of years goes unmentioned below -- as is the fact that corals have in the past coped with far greater temperature variations than anything we have seen  recently.  And corals are still with us, funnily enough.

They do respond to temperature, among other things, but the "bleaching" is mainly in order to recruit different varieties of symbiotic algae.  And corals are hardier than they look.  In "bleached" form they can survive for quite a while on just their normal filter feeding.  "Bleached" corals are NOT dead.

And the present ocean warming is clearly due to El Nino, a temporary warming that is part of a natural cycle.  It's actually the La Nina that normally follows El Nino that is the biggest concern.  Corals are more likely to "bleach" in response to cooling than they are to warming.

And let me again mention my favourite fact about coral:  In 1954 the USA exploded a 15 megaton thermonuclear device over Bikini atoll.  And Bikini atoll had lots of coral.  So there is no coral there at all now?  Far from it.  The corals there now are huge, abundant and thriving.  So if coral reefs can recover from an H-bomb blast, why is a pissy one degree temperature rise in GBR waters of concern?


Corals at Bikini atoll today

Strange that all that goes unmentioned below, isn't it?  You would not suspect any of it from the screeches below.  The words below are "an orchestrated litany of lies", to quote a distinguished judge on another matter.  The Waremists just want more funding and are prepared to lie and deceive to get it.  Global warming is a global racket dreamt up by scientists for the benefit of scientists.



Scientists: Act This Election, Or The Reef Is Doomed
By Thom Mitchell on May 19, 2016

The Federal Government’s plan to save the Great Barrier Reef is “totally inadequate,” and if whoever forms government doesn’t commit at least $10 billion this election the natural wonder is likely to be doomed, scientists at James Cook University have said.

This extraordinary warning comes from leading water quality expert Jon Brodie and Emeritus Professor Richard Pearson, who are speaking out after they published a paper this week. In an interview this morning, Brodie said the Reef “will never be in its full gory again, we can’t expect that, [but]it’s going to get worse unless we do something”.

The Scientists said the twin threats of poor water quality and climate change could put the Reef in “terminal” decline within five years, unless whoever forms government comes to office with a comprehensive, cohesive, and adequately-funded rescue plan.

The Coalition Government has released a plan, known as Reef 2050, but it scarcely mentions climate change and Brodie said it is “totally inadequate”. “I’m probably the leading water quality expert for the Great Barrier Reef over the last 30 years and I’m saying the water quality [aspect of the plan]is absolutely inadequate,” he said.


IMAGE: WWF Australia. Coral bleaching at Lizard Island.

“It was meant to be a comprehensive plan, of course, but as has been pointed out by everyone, and particularly the Australian Academy of Science, it’s totally inadequate,” he said.

The James Cook University scientists said catchment and coastal management programs need to be funded in the order of $1 billion per year over the next ten years. “We need a plan to fix up water quality as best we can, to provide some resilience against the oncoming climate change impacts,” Brodie said.

The Great Barrier Reef has made headlines over recent months as 93 per cent of the Reef, which is the only living structure that can be seen from space, has been affected by coral bleaching.

Fuelled by warming waters, the coral bleaching event was the worst in recorded history. The uncompromising heat was a result of an El Nino climate system, superimposed over baseline temperatures already pushed up by climate change.

“Before climate change kicked in we simply never saw bleaching,” Professor Terry Hughes has previously told New Matilda. “It’s quite confronting that we’ve now got to the stage that every El Nino event – and they happen every few years – is a threat to the Great Barrier Reef,” said Hughes, the Director of the Australian Research Council’s Centre of Excellence for Coral Reef Studies.

The threats posed by climate change are exacerbated by plague-like outbreaks of Crown of Thorns Starfish, which are triggered by poor water quality. According to the James Cook University Scientists, the next outbreak is most likely to occur around 2025.

If we don’t make serious inroads at improving water quality by then, the fate of the Reef looks grim.

Brodie and Emeritus Professor Pearson are calling for management of the Reef to be extended beyond the bounds of the World Heritage Area, north to the Torres Strait, south to Hervey Bay, and inland to include the Great Barrier Reef catchment.


Now go to the LINK to feast on more Greenie lies and hypocrisy:-

https://newmatilda.com/2016/05/19/scientists-act-this-election-or-the-reef-is-doomed/

Title: Re: More Great Greenie Lies
Post by The Mechanic on May 23rd, 2016 at 7:32pm
david Attenborough was diving the GBR recently... he said that he hasn't seen it in better condition.. better than when here was here last.. I think around 10 to 15 year ago..

I was on the GBR just two years ago and it looked magnificent...

if anything is going to destroy it, i'd be more concerned about poisons running off farm land and into the waterways that run out into the seas.. poisons like roundup which is now being found in rain water in some parts of the world.. 

Title: Re: More Great Greenie Lies
Post by juliar on May 23rd, 2016 at 7:45pm
There is a grave risk that the Greenies will try to sabotage the reef just to try to stop themselves from looking even more dimwitted.

Title: Re: More Great Greenie Lies
Post by cods on May 23rd, 2016 at 9:12pm
as told the reef would be dead in 20 years when I first arrived in OZ.. omg.. you telling me its still going?????> :D :D

some people constantly  push the panic button its all that have got...

Title: Re: More Great Greenie Lies
Post by Nicole Page 2016 on May 23rd, 2016 at 9:23pm

juliar wrote on May 23rd, 2016 at 7:45pm:
There is a grave risk that the Greenies will try to sabotage the reef just to try to stop themselves from looking even more dimwitted.


Are you serious?

No, you're not. Good.

Title: Re: More Great Greenie Lies
Post by rabbitoh08 on May 23rd, 2016 at 9:25pm

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on May 23rd, 2016 at 7:32pm:
david Attenborough was diving the GBR recently... he said that he hasn't seen it in better condition.. better than when here was here last.. I think around 10 to 15 year ago..

Really?!?!

Sir David concludes that the Reef that he visited nearly 60 years ago is very different from today:
"The Great Barrier Reef is in grave danger. The twin perils brought by climate change – an increase in the temperature of the ocean and in its acidity – threaten its very existence."

Research backs up this personal experience. The Australian Institute of Marine Science has shown that the Great Barrier Reef has lost around 50% of its coral cover between 1985 and 2012.

https://theconversation.com/david-attenborough-says-the-great-barrier-reef-is-in-grave-danger-its-time-to-step-up-58204

http://www.pnas.org/content/109/44/17995.short

Title: Re: More Great Greenie Lies
Post by Valkie on May 23rd, 2016 at 9:28pm
I have dived off Sydney, the far north Coast and parts of the GBR.

I have seen the damage that mans waste has reaped on the corals and weed in these areas.

The Tuggerah Lakes system was a beautiful clean lake when I was a child and you could dive and swim in it with its clean clear water.
Now its an open cesspit, it stinks and it is putrid with muck and dying weed everywhere.

While I hold doubt that mankind is directly responsible for Global warming or climate change, Man is clearly responsible for the destruction of his habitat in many areas, and its not looking good for the future.

Man needs to clean up his act, but while politicians keep getting bribes from multinationals and people feel they have no duty of care, the lakes will keep dying, the land will be more polluted and we will rush onward to our own demise through stupidity and greed.

Greenies may not have a clue, but at least they are trying.

Title: Re: More Great Greenie Lies
Post by Nicole Page 2016 on May 23rd, 2016 at 9:31pm

Valkie wrote on May 23rd, 2016 at 9:28pm:
I have dived off Sydney, the far north Coast and parts of the GBR.

I have seen the damage that mans waste has reaped on the corals and weed in these areas.

The Tuggerah Lakes system was a beautiful clean lake when I was a child and you could dive and swim in it with its clean clear water.
Now its an open cesspit, it stinks and it is putrid with muck and dying weed everywhere.

While I hold doubt that mankind is directly responsible for Global warming or climate change, Man is clearly responsible for the destruction of his habitat in many areas, and its not looking good for the future.

Man needs to clean up his act, but while politicians keep getting bribes from multinationals and people feel they have no duty of care, the lakes will keep dying, the land will be more polluted and we will rush onward to our own demise through stupidity and greed.

Greenies may not have a clue, but at least they are trying.


Agree!

Title: Re: More Great Greenie Lies
Post by juliar on May 23rd, 2016 at 9:47pm
Poor deluded little Greenies conned by the BIG Greenies lying hypocrisy.

If you were not so deeply in denial you would have realized some time ago that the BIG Greenies WANT you and others to BELIEVE that the quite normal and healthy Great Barrier Reef is like the Greenies themselves, in danger of becoming extinct.

The lying deceitful hypocritical Greenies have a not very secret agenda for lying about the reef and that is THE ADANI COAL MINE.

The Greenies want to stop the coal mine and they will stop at nothing to try to achieve this mainly because coal is a Greenie swear word.

So it is quite conceivable that if the Greenies realized they have been sprung lying about the reef then they would not be above deliberately damaging the reef to try to push their case.

Disgusting but oh so true as the Greenies are pure distilled evil venomous vipers.

Title: Re: More Great Greenie Lies
Post by Nicole Page 2016 on May 23rd, 2016 at 9:54pm
Juliar, against my better judgement I'm going to open up to you. I will bare my soul...you are worthy I'm sure.

But before I do...do you really believe Earth can survive a state of perpetual, everlasting, ongoing human economic growth? Infinite resources?

Title: Re: More Great Greenie Lies
Post by lee on May 23rd, 2016 at 10:03pm

rabbitoh08 wrote on May 23rd, 2016 at 9:25pm:
Research backs up this personal experience. The Australian Institute of Marine Science has shown that the Great Barrier Reef has lost around 50% of its coral cover between 1985 and 2012.
https://theconversation.com/david-attenborough-says-the-great-barrier-reef-is-in...



And just what did the AIMS article say?

' The Great Barrier Reef has lost half its coral cover in the last 27 years. The loss was due to storm damage (48%), crown of thorns starfish (42%), and bleaching (10%) according to a new study published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences today by researchers from the Australian Institute of Marine Science (AIMS) in Townsville and the University of Wollongong.

"We can't stop the storms but, perhaps we can stop the starfish. If we can, then the Reef will have more opportunity to adapt to the challenges of rising sea temperatures and ocean acidification", says John Gunn, CEO of AIMS.'

http://www.aims.gov.au/docs/media/latest-releases/-/asset_publisher/8Kfw/content/2-october-2012-the-great-barrier-reef-has-lost-half-of-its-coral-in-the-last-27-years

Don't see much attribution to man there. Although there is that nod to "ocean acidification", which of course it is not. It is a slight move to neutralisation.

Title: Re: More Great Greenie Lies
Post by Sir Bobby on May 23rd, 2016 at 10:04pm
I voted for the Greens at the last election but now

I don't think I will because they have been overtaken by homosexuals.

They don't even care about the environment anymore -

they care about Vegemite drillers.

Title: Re: More Great Greenie Lies
Post by Nicole Page 2016 on May 23rd, 2016 at 10:17pm
Christ Bobby how old are you? 12?

The greens haven't changed. I guess you could be right. Founding member, bob brown, was a raving heterosexual.

Title: Re: More Great Greenie Lies
Post by juliar on May 23rd, 2016 at 10:29pm
Ah but Bob Brown was a very clever cunning politician who WAS the very heart and soul of the Greenies.

He was quite open about being queer and it was not an issue.

Since Bob left, the Greenies have gone steadily downhill towards their eventual extinction as they are now irrelevant and ignored as just obstructionist problems who are working for the United Nations and trying to implement the UN Agenda 21 right here in your Australia.

Title: Re: More Great Greenie Lies
Post by Sir Bobby on May 23rd, 2016 at 10:30pm

Mistress Nicole wrote on May 23rd, 2016 at 10:17pm:
Christ Bobby how old are you? 12?

The greens haven't changed. I guess you could be right. Founding member, bob brown, was a raving heterosexual.



I'm over 50 years old - I suppose you would call me an old man?

Title: Re: More Great Greenie Lies
Post by Nicole Page 2016 on May 23rd, 2016 at 10:34pm
Agreed. I'm not a fan of the UN either.

But your venerated liberal party have signed several UN conventions. This is why I don't understand poster girls like you. The whole lot of the bastards are selling us down the river. And people like you stand on and cheer.

Title: Re: More Great Greenie Lies
Post by Nicole Page 2016 on May 23rd, 2016 at 10:37pm

Bobby. wrote on May 23rd, 2016 at 10:30pm:

Mistress Nicole wrote on May 23rd, 2016 at 10:17pm:
Christ Bobby how old are you? 12?

The greens haven't changed. I guess you could be right. Founding member, bob brown, was a raving heterosexual.



I'm over 50 years old - I suppose you would call me an old man?


No bobby. I'm 42. The only party I will actively support at the election is One Nation. Libs will get my preference.

How bout you? You've lost faith in the greens (as I did). Where to from here?

Cheers
Nicole

Title: Re: More Great Greenie Lies
Post by juliar on May 23rd, 2016 at 10:39pm
Nicole,

You will be pleased to note that the United Nations Agenda 21 which the Greenies are trying to follow has a clause that states that the world population has to be reduced by about 6 billion to reach a sustainable world population.

The only thing that is not clear is how the Greenies propose to exterminate the 6 billion excess population
- gas chambers,
- poisoned vaccinations,
- release of diseases like AIDS etc


Fortunately the CO2 level is at a healthy amount that is greening the deserts and making the world's food crops thrive to feed the ever growing number of the world's hungry mouths.

Title: Re: More Great Greenie Lies
Post by Sir Bobby on May 23rd, 2016 at 10:42pm

Mistress Nicole wrote on May 23rd, 2016 at 10:37pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 23rd, 2016 at 10:30pm:

Mistress Nicole wrote on May 23rd, 2016 at 10:17pm:
Christ Bobby how old are you? 12?

The greens haven't changed. I guess you could be right. Founding member, bob brown, was a raving heterosexual.



I'm over 50 years old - I suppose you would call me an old man?


No bobby. I'm 42. The only party I will actively support at the election is One Nation. Libs will get my preference.

How bout you? You've lost faith in the greens (as I did). Where to from here?

Cheers
Nicole


I dunno - to me they're all professional liars who
use rehearsed slogans and repeat them like parrots.

Take one example - why are new housing estates being built & having copper wires installed instead of optic fiber?

If the Govt gave out just a few percent of the monster stamp
duty tax to pay for fiber it would cover the cost.

We're backward & can't even get the basics right.

Title: Re: More Great Greenie Lies
Post by GordyL on May 23rd, 2016 at 10:42pm

juliar wrote on May 23rd, 2016 at 10:29pm:
Ah but Bob Brown was a very clever cunning politician who WAS the very heart and soul of the Greenies.

He was quite open about being queer and it was not an issue.

Since Bob left, the Greenies have gone steadily downhill towards their eventual extinction as they are now irrelevant and ignored as just obstructionist problems who are working for the United Nations and trying to implement the UN Agenda 21 right here in your Australia.


Bob Brown was a solid bloke who was a true defender of the environment, but ultimately we must also judge him on the legacy of the way he left his party.  Three letters. SHY.

Title: Re: More Great Greenie Lies
Post by Nicole Page 2016 on May 23rd, 2016 at 10:48pm

Bobby. wrote on May 23rd, 2016 at 10:42pm:

Mistress Nicole wrote on May 23rd, 2016 at 10:37pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 23rd, 2016 at 10:30pm:

Mistress Nicole wrote on May 23rd, 2016 at 10:17pm:
Christ Bobby how old are you? 12?

The greens haven't changed. I guess you could be right. Founding member, bob brown, was a raving heterosexual.



I'm over 50 years old - I suppose you would call me an old man?


No bobby. I'm 42. The only party I will actively support at the election is One Nation. Libs will get my preference.

How bout you? You've lost faith in the greens (as I did). Where to from here?

Cheers
Nicole


I dunno - to me they're all professional liars who
use rehearsed slogans and repeat them like parrots.

Take one example - why are new housing estates being built & having copper wires installed instead of optic fiber?

If the Govt gave out just a few percent of the monster stamp
duty tax to pay for fiber it would cover the cost.

We're backward & can't even get the basics right.


In the words of Sting, " I don't believe in politicians; they all seem like game show hosts to me".

I'd have more respect for Malcolm, if he showed some statesmanship. For Christos sake - he's a republican, back your beliefs.

I'm a monarchist - but I'd respect him for actually standing up for what he believes.

Title: Re: More Great Greenie Lies
Post by Sir Bobby on May 23rd, 2016 at 10:55pm

Mistress Nicole wrote on May 23rd, 2016 at 10:48pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 23rd, 2016 at 10:42pm:

Mistress Nicole wrote on May 23rd, 2016 at 10:37pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 23rd, 2016 at 10:30pm:

Mistress Nicole wrote on May 23rd, 2016 at 10:17pm:
Christ Bobby how old are you? 12?

The greens haven't changed. I guess you could be right. Founding member, bob brown, was a raving heterosexual.



I'm over 50 years old - I suppose you would call me an old man?


No bobby. I'm 42. The only party I will actively support at the election is One Nation. Libs will get my preference.

How bout you? You've lost faith in the greens (as I did). Where to from here?

Cheers
Nicole


I dunno - to me they're all professional liars who
use rehearsed slogans and repeat them like parrots.

Take one example - why are new housing estates being built & having copper wires installed instead of optic fiber?

If the Govt gave out just a few percent of the monster stamp
duty tax to pay for fiber it would cover the cost.

We're backward & can't even get the basics right.


In the words of Sting, " I don't believe in politicians; they all seem like game show hosts to me".

I'd have more respect for Malcolm, if he showed some statesmanship. For Christos sake - he's a republican, back your beliefs.

I'm a monarchist - but I'd respect him for actually standing up for what he believes.



Every politician we have is hopeless.

In reality they need to be replaced by the Governor General
with professional administrators who
are actually qualified to administrate an entire country.

When we get the country back on track then maybe we should have an election.

If they can't organise a simple thing like some optic fiber cable to a new housing estate then they can't run a country -
it's that simple.

Title: Re: More Great Greenie Lies
Post by Sir lastnail on May 23rd, 2016 at 11:00pm

Bobby. wrote on May 23rd, 2016 at 10:55pm:

Mistress Nicole wrote on May 23rd, 2016 at 10:48pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 23rd, 2016 at 10:42pm:

Mistress Nicole wrote on May 23rd, 2016 at 10:37pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 23rd, 2016 at 10:30pm:

Mistress Nicole wrote on May 23rd, 2016 at 10:17pm:
Christ Bobby how old are you? 12?

The greens haven't changed. I guess you could be right. Founding member, bob brown, was a raving heterosexual.



I'm over 50 years old - I suppose you would call me an old man?


No bobby. I'm 42. The only party I will actively support at the election is One Nation. Libs will get my preference.

How bout you? You've lost faith in the greens (as I did). Where to from here?

Cheers
Nicole


I dunno - to me they're all professional liars who
use rehearsed slogans and repeat them like parrots.

Take one example - why are new housing estates being built & having copper wires installed instead of optic fiber?

If the Govt gave out just a few percent of the monster stamp
duty tax to pay for fiber it would cover the cost.

We're backward & can't even get the basics right.


In the words of Sting, " I don't believe in politicians; they all seem like game show hosts to me".

I'd have more respect for Malcolm, if he showed some statesmanship. For Christos sake - he's a republican, back your beliefs.

I'm a monarchist - but I'd respect him for actually standing up for what he believes.



Every politician we have is hopeless.

In reality they need to be replaced by the Governor General
with professional administrators who
are actually qualified to administrate an entire country.

When we get the country back on track then maybe we should have an election.

If they can't organise a simple thing like some optic fiber cable to a new housing estate then they can't run a country -
it's that simple.


How about a science minister that is qualified in science as a prerequisite ?

Title: Re: More Great Greenie Lies
Post by Sir Bobby on May 23rd, 2016 at 11:02pm

Quote:
How about a science minister that is qualified in science as a prerequisite ?


Good idea - but we will always have half wits running our country with the system we have.

Title: Re: More Great Greenie Lies
Post by John Smith on May 23rd, 2016 at 11:22pm

lee wrote on May 23rd, 2016 at 10:03pm:
Don't see much attribution to man there.



how do you think the Crown of Thorn starfish got to the reef?

Title: Re: More Great Greenie Lies
Post by juliar on May 24th, 2016 at 8:39am
The poisonous Greenies put them there ?

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