NORWEGIAN GOV’T. SEIZES 5 CHILDREN FROM PARENTS FOR ALLEGED ‘CHRISTIAN INDOCTRINATION’



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Bondariu family not allowed to be Christian.


While allowing massive Muslim migration and introduction of Sharia law Norwegian government is preventing parents to give their children Christian education.

A Christian family in Norway has lost its appeal to have its children returned, after the government forcibly removed five children from their home. The public is reacting with outrage.

Marius Bodnariu, wife Ruth, former members of the Pentecostal Church in Bucharest, moved to Naustdal, 10 years ago, where they raised five children. As reported by Marius' brother Daniel, on November 16, Norway's child welfare services took away the Bodnarius' two oldest children, showing up at their school and removing them from class without their parents' knowledge. Police later that day arrived at the Bodnarius' home and also forcibly removed the two older boys, leaving Ruth with her three-month-old baby, who was taken away the following day by police as well.

Two days later, child welfare services notified the parents that their children were in the care of two separate foster families and were "integrating" well. One of the officials reportedly said to Ruth, "The kids don't even miss you. What kind of parents are you?" Marius and Ruth were later informed by the government that they were guilty of "Christian radicalism and indoctrination."

http://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/norwegian-govt.-seizes-5-children-from-parents-for-alleged-christian-indoct

you might find some of this thread interesting


http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1460768909/59

Yes it's a dangerous world to be chrisrian. Much better off to be a Muslim or a gay/transgender atheist.
But if you're a child in Norway and your parents can't agree what sex you are, don't worry the state will decide for you.

norways shot

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 12:48pm:

norways shot

Can we accept their 18-40 y/o females as refugees instead of mono-brow burqa clad arabs?

You'd probably have to get past Muslim public servants in Immigration first.

Anything from a source not so clearly biased?

bogarde73 wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 9:28am:

Yes it's a dangerous world to be Christian. Much better off to be a Muslim or a gay/transgender atheist. But if you're a child in Norway and your parents can't agree what sex you are, don't worry the state will decide for you.

Christian familes are dangerous now eh?

:-/

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 1:58pm:

Anything from a source not so clearly biased?

This is all I could find: The Washington Times

"The girls were interrogated at their school for two hours, saying they would occasionally hide from their dad for fear of being punished by spanking."

"One of the girls said her father shook the baby “as a rag” on one occasion, after Ezekiel removed his father’s glasses."

Something not right about this story.

http://www.norwaynews.no/norway-government-called-out-for-seizing-bodnariu-kids-from-christian-parents/

Crikey! The Norwegian govt has been globally condemned!

Norway’s act of separating the Bodnariu children from their Christian parents to prevent them from being “indoctrinated” has been called out by more than a hundred lawyers from the United States and abroad as well as members of the European Parliament as a serious transgression against humanitarian and moral laws in both international and domestic scopes.

“We find the facts of this international incident unacceptable not only on legal grounds but also on humanitarian and moral grounds. We view these transgressions as grievous breaches of domestic and international law.

Therefore, it is important that Norway immediately release the children back to their biological parents,” read a letter signed by more than 100 lawyers and parliamentarians and sent to Norwegian Prime Minister Erna Solberg, according to Christian Post.

The five children ranging from ages three months to nine years old were seized and separated from their parents, Marius and Ruth Bodnariu, on November 16 and 17 in 2015 by the Barnevernet or Norwegian Child Protective Services and placed in different foster homes away from their home, said Marius’ brother, Daniel Bodnariu.

The youngest child was already returned in early April. However, Barnevernet has already filed court documents to terminate the parents’ rights for the remaining children after the couple’s appeal was rejected on November 27.

The children were taken based on the daughter’s school principal who worried that they were being raised by “radical” Christians who “sincerely held Christian beliefs.”

HSLDA Director of Global Outreach Michael Donnelly expressed that those who knew Marius and Ruth see them as caring and responsible parents so there are no legitimate concerns about their parenting styles and that the Barnevernet’s acts are ruthless.

Houston-based Peter Costea asserted that this action was motivated by the couple’s religious faith and called the acts as nothing short of criminalizing Christianity.

You gotta wonder about the smacking school principal.

This nonsense started with HIM/HER.

A look from a more reputable news source says the children were taken because of suspected child abuse.

Norway has a ridiculous law where corporal punishment is completely illegal. The mother admitted that on occasion she spanks her children when they've done something naughty.

Under Norwegian law there can be no "physical correction" of children.

Raven does not think there is a religious reason behind the Barnevernet's (Norway's child protection agency) decision to take the children. Norway is just an odd country.

The most common reason Barnevernet take children into care is simply "lack of parenting skills".

That, in short, is the reason Barnevernet gave for taking away the four-month-old baby daughter of a young Norwegian father called Erik and his Chinese wife in the country's second city, Bergen.

Home videos of the little girl when she was three and four months old show her lying in her cot, apparently alert and responsive as she interacts with her parents.

But Barnevernet said lack of eye contact, and other signs, revealed she was suffering serious psychological harm. They said her parents couldn't meet her emotional needs, partly because her mother was depressed, and Erik - to quote one social worker - was "simple".

However, Erik's never been diagnosed with any condition other than a slight lack of short-term memory when he was small. And the baby was never examined clinically by any health professional to establish if anything was wrong with her, and if so whether the parents could be at fault.

Just days before Barnevernet started their urgent assessment of the family, a doctor at their local health clinic found the little girl was developing normally.

But that wasn't mentioned at the court hearing that later upheld the care order. Nor, according to the girl's grandfather, Yngve, was other evidence the family put forward to try to win her back.

In the several years since then, Yngve - the Director of the State Archive in Bergen - has pressed the authorities, without success, to let him and his wife Bente, a professional photographer, take their granddaughter into their care.

Once a pillar of the establishment - he was personally appointed to his job by the King of Norway - Yngve is now a bitter critic of his country's child welfare policy.

Yngve believes Barnevernet first became concerned about his granddaughter because initially she was cared for partly by her Chinese grandmother, to allow her mother to rest. That's common practice in China, but not in Norway, and Yngve thinks it made the authorities suspicious.

Some suggest children with a foreign parent are 4 times more likely than other children in Norway to be forcibly taken from their families.

Norway's Barnevernet

Norwegian govt is part of the bizzaro world of the global left.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 1:58pm:

Anything from a source not so clearly biased?

lots of stuff about this case on the internet, especially if you google Facebook Bodnariu or facebook save the children  ... the story is pretty much right. The girls were pulled aside at school and Barnevernet (Norweign child services) was called because they were overheard singing a christian song ... after hours of questioning (and coaching) the daughter admitted that her father did on occasion spank her if she was naughty. Barnevernet then took all 5 kids from the family, including taking a 3 month toddler from his mother whilst she was breastfeeding. The toddler was given back about 6 months later, but the other 4 kids are still in SEPERATE foster homes

the biggest problem with the Norweign system is that the child services are a closed system. The only expert witnesses they accept evidence from (child psychologists, social workers etc) are those employed by them. Barnevernet is accountable to absolutely NO ONE and their funding is determined by the number of kids they place. You as a parent have no rights once Barnevernet is involved, some parents have even lost their kids only to find out that the foster parents who took their kids in, moved overseas and took the kids with them.

No but essentially what we have is not children being taken away due to religious reasons, but for suspected child abuse.

bogarde73 wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 3:04pm:

Norwegian govt is part of the bizzaro world of the global left.

Exactly!

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 3:10pm:

No but essentially what we have is not children being taken away due to religious reasons, but for suspected child abuse.

child abuse? the kid only admitted to a spanking (not child abuse) after hours of coaching. Barenvernet were called because the kids were overheard singing christian songs. At that time, there was no mention of spanking by anybody.

The Bodnariu family have since had all sorts of character witnesses and assessments from independent child psychologists and social workers, and all found the children were thriving and there was no evidence of mistreatment ... but the way Barnevernet works, that is inadmissible as evidence because they didn't work for Barnevernet

I put this up on another thread once, but the reasons barnevernet gave are so ridiculous that it's worth putting up again



John Smith wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 7:01pm:

For those who are interested, some of the official reasons given by Norways Child Protection Services can be found here http://www.mhskanland.net/page10/page122/page122.html I'll pick out some of the more absurd ones, but there are to many to list them all. Even then, the list on the link is not a complete list. (3)  Clean clothes are not placed in 'military order' in the cupboard. (5)  The child looks eagerly at strangers around it and smiles at them. This means that it is not attached to its mother. [The mother stood talking to some people after visiting the social security office, while the baby in the pram looked eagerly at people around it.] (9)  The father has a foot injury and cannot stand on a ladder. Therefore he is not able to clean the top of the window frames. (16)  The mother is very small. When the daughter grows to become a teenager, the mother will not be able to tackle her (18)  When visiting the children the grandmother wanted to embrace them. The CPS had to stop that, since it can create an unwanted attachment. (31)  The daughter does not like fish-balls. This is a clear sign of incest. :D :D (41)  The boy's parents fail in their care for him; they do not give him enough to eat. [The mother of one of the boy's friends noticed that he ate a great deal of cake when he visited her son in their home, and she reported this to the CPS as a cause for worry.] 53)  When the child fell over, the mother just picked her up and put her back on her feet, without comforting her verbally. [The little girl had not cried and was not unhappy. She was just beginning to walk and often fell over without hurting herself.] (63)  The mother is clumsy when using the tin-opener. [Statement by a psychologist.] (68)  The parents are too concerned with the child and over-protect it. [Cf (67).]

John Smith wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 3:47pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 3:10pm: No but essentially what we have is not children being taken away due to religious reasons, but for suspected child abuse. child abuse? the kid only admitted to a spanking (not child abuse) after hours of coaching. Barenvernet were called because the kids were overheard singing christian songs. At that time, there was no mention of spanking by anybody.

Norwegian law is absolute when it comes to corporal punishment, any form of 'physical correction' is illegal, no middle ground.

Utterly ridiculous

Raven wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 3:54pm:

John Smith wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 3:47pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 3:10pm: No but essentially what we have is not children being taken away due to religious reasons, but for suspected child abuse. child abuse? the kid only admitted to a spanking (not child abuse) after hours of coaching. Barenvernet were called because the kids were overheard singing christian songs. At that time, there was no mention of spanking by anybody. Norwegian law is absolute when it comes to corporal punishment, any form of 'physical correction' is illegal, no middle ground. Utterly ridiculous

it's worse than that ... raise your voice at your kids and it's considered child abuse

Look at Raven's previous post. A four month old, alert and engaging with her parents was "suffering psychological harm' because she wasn't making eye contact and the mother was 'depressed'

Sweet zombie Jesus

Raven wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 3:54pm:

John Smith wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 3:47pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 3:10pm: No but essentially what we have is not children being taken away due to religious reasons, but for suspected child abuse. child abuse? the kid only admitted to a spanking (not child abuse) after hours of coaching. Barenvernet were called because the kids were overheard singing christian songs. At that time, there was no mention of spanking by anybody. Norwegian law is absolute when it comes to corporal punishment, any form of 'physical correction' is illegal, no middle ground. Utterly ridiculous

Oops, I gave my daughter a faux clip on the back of the head for being a mole this morning.
I guess she'd be in foster care by now :)

GordyL wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 5:28pm:

Oops, I gave my daughter a faux clip on the back of the head for being a mole this morning. I guess she'd be in foster care by now Smiley

the sad part is that if you were in Norway and someone saw you do it, she would be .... and you'd have no rights whatsoever

John Smith wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 5:31pm:

GordyL wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 5:28pm: Oops, I gave my daughter a faux clip on the back of the head for being a mole this morning. I guess she'd be in foster care by now Smiley the sad part is that if you were in Norway and someone saw you do it, she would be .... and you'd have no rights whatsoever

The neighbor saw it so I'd be screwed. Are the parents also charged?

GordyL wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 5:51pm:

John Smith wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 5:31pm: GordyL wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 5:28pm: Oops, I gave my daughter a faux clip on the back of the head for being a mole this morning. I guess she'd be in foster care by now Smiley the sad part is that if you were in Norway and someone saw you do it, she would be .... and you'd have no rights whatsoever The neighbor saw it so I'd be screwed. Are the parents also charged?

yep. and even if the parents are cleared later on, there is still no guarantee you'll get your kids back

I'm not arguing over the child abuse part, just stating its definietely not an anti-christian thing

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 9:53pm:

I'm not arguing over the child abuse part, just stating its definietely not an anti-christian thing

Marius and Ruth were officially informed by the government that they were guilty of "Christian radicalism and indoctrination."
It is not only anti Christian but also anti human and anti family dictatorship act that only happened in fascist Germany and Stalin's Soviet Russia.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 9:53pm:

I'm not arguing over the child abuse part, just stating its definietely not an anti-christian thing

despite the Barnevernet saying that it was ?

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 9:53pm:

I'm not arguing over the child abuse part, just stating its definitely not an anti-christian thing

Huh?

Ohhhhh. You were joking.

My bad.

capitosinora wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 8:59am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 9:53pm: I'm not arguing over the child abuse part, just stating its definietely not an anti-christian thing Marius and Ruth were officially informed by the government that they were guilty of "Christian radicalism and indoctrination." It is not only anti Christian and but also anti human and anti family dictatorship act that only happened in fascist Germany and Stalin's Soviet Russia.

Marius and Ruth I think are making it up.

capitosinora wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 8:55am:

NORWEGIAN GOV’T. SEIZES 5 CHILDREN FROM PARENTS FOR ALLEGED ‘CHRISTIAN INDOCTRINATION’ http://www.churchmilitant.com/images/uploads/news_feature/2015-12-05-niles-d.jpg http://www.mitropolija.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/familie-bodnariu-norvegia-e1448147671649.jpg Bondariu family not allowed to be Christian. While allowing massive Muslim migration and introduction of Sharia law Norwegian government is preventing parents to give their children Christian education. A Christian family in Norway has lost its appeal to have its children returned, after the government forcibly removed five children from their home. The public is reacting with outrage. Marius Bodnariu, wife Ruth, former members of the Pentecostal Church in Bucharest, moved to Naustdal, 10 years ago, where they raised five children. As reported by Marius' brother Daniel, on November 16, Norway's child welfare services took away the Bodnarius' two oldest children, showing up at their school and removing them from class without their parents' knowledge. Police later that day arrived at the Bodnarius' home and also forcibly removed the two older boys, leaving Ruth with her three-month-old baby, who was taken away the following day by police as well. Two days later, child welfare services notified the parents that their children were in the care of two separate foster families and were "integrating" well. One of the officials reportedly said to Ruth, "The kids don't even miss you. What kind of parents are you?" Marius and Ruth were later informed by the government that they were guilty of "Christian radicalism and indoctrination." http://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/norwegian-govt.-seizes-5-children-from-parents-for-alleged-christian-indoct

Makes you wonder what the authorities would do if only 1 parent was a Christian....and the other wasn't (in the above scenario).

I suppose these clowns would legally force a divorce  :o

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 10:45am:

capitosinora wrote on May 20th, 2016 at 8:59am: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 9:53pm: I'm not arguing over the child abuse part, just stating its definietely not an anti-christian thing Marius and Ruth were officially informed by the government that they were guilty of "Christian radicalism and indoctrination." It is not only anti Christian and but also anti human and anti family dictatorship act that only happened in fascist Germany and Stalin's Soviet Russia. Marius and Ruth I think are making it up.

But not fascist Norwegian government.

capitosinora wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 12:24pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 20th, 2016 at 10:45am: capitosinora wrote on May 20th, 2016 at 8:59am: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 9:53pm: I'm not arguing over the child abuse part, just stating its definietely not an anti-christian thing Marius and Ruth were officially informed by the government that they were guilty of "Christian radicalism and indoctrination." It is not only anti Christian and but also anti human and anti family dictatorship act that only happened in fascist Germany and Stalin's Soviet Russia. Marius and Ruth I think are making it up. No But not fascist Norwegian government.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 10:45am:

capitosinora wrote on May 20th, 2016 at 8:59am: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 9:53pm: I'm not arguing over the child abuse part, just stating its definietely not an anti-christian thing Marius and Ruth were officially informed by the government that they were guilty of "Christian radicalism and indoctrination." It is not only anti Christian and but also anti human and anti family dictatorship act that only happened in fascist Germany and Stalin's Soviet Russia. Marius and Ruth I think are making it up.

sadly, they're not ... i know people who are in contact with them. It's not just Marius and Ruth, there are thousands of similar cases in Norway

Norway does not look particularly hostile to religion:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Norway

The Evangelical Lutheran Church is still established and administered through a Government department. There is, however, an ever ongoing political debate on separation of church and state.[17] The state also supports religious aid organisations such as Norwegian Church Aid financially. Bishops are formally nominated by the Norwegian Monarch,[18] who is the head of the church, and clerical salaries and pensions regulated by law. Clergy train in the theological faculties of the University of Oslo and the University of Tromsø, as well as Misjonshøgskolen (School of Mission and Theology) in Stavanger and Menighetsfakultetet (MF Norwegian School of Theology) in Oslo. Menighetsfakultetet is by far the most important educational institution for the Norwegian clergy. Men and women can both become members of the clergy of the church. The church has two sacraments namely Baptism and Holy Communion.

In Norway as of 2013, 76.1% of the population are members of the Evangelical Lutheran Church as compared to 96% in the 1960s.[1] Kevin Boyle's 1997 global study of freedom of religion states that "Most members of the state church are not active adherents, except for the rituals of birth, confirmation, weddings, and burials. Some 3 per cent on average attend church on Sunday and 10 per cent on average attend church every month."[19]

Other religious groups operate freely and people are also free not to be affiliated with any religion or life stance. Approximately 13% are not members of any official religious or philosophical communities, while about 9% of the population are members of other religious or philosophical communities outside the Church of Norway. Roman Catholics and Muslims are each about 2.4% of the population and have been rising rapidly in numbers in recent years. About 1.7% of the population lists the Norwegian Humanist Association as a life stance instead of a religion. Orthodox, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists and Sikhs are present in very small numbers, together comprising less than 1 percent of the population.[3]

Religious education[edit]
In 2007, the European Court of Human Rights ruled in favor of Norwegian parents who had sued the Norwegian state. The case was about a subject in compulsory school, kristendomskunnskap med religions- og livssynsorientering (Teachings of Christianity with orientation about religion and philosophy), KRL. The applicants complained that the refusal to grant full exemption from KRL prevented them from ensuring that their children received an education in conformity with their atheist views and philosophical convictions. A few years earlier, in 2004, the UN Committee on Human Rights in Geneva had given its support to the parents.[21] In 2008 the subject was renamed to Religion, livssyn og etikk (Religion, philosophy and ethics).[22] The majority of this course is however still tied to Christianity. Philosophy and ethics are not properly introduced until after compulsory school. The largest Christian school in Norway has 1,400 pupils and 120 employees.[23] Kristne Friskolers Forbund is an interest group of approximately 130 Christian schools and colleges, including 12 Christian private schools.[24]

freediver wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 4:42pm:

Norway does not look particularly hostile to religion

It's not Norways attitude to religion that is the problem, it's the absolute powers coupled with the lack of accountability given to it's child protection services (Barnevernet) that is the problem.

What makes it even more so of a problem is that the Barnevarnets funding is determined (in part) by the number of children it re-houses

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnevernet

Approximately 4000 people who were formerly taken into custody by Child Welfare Services have sought compensation for suffering and abuse while living in orphanages or child protection between 1945 and 1980. Of these, 2637 have received compensation, in total $220 million (2010).[3][4]

Bhattacharya children[edit]
The service has been severely criticized by the Government of India for taking away two children of an Indian couple who were working in Norway.[5][6] Berit Aarset, who heads Human Rights Alert, Norway, has called the incident "state kidnapping". She says, "This is not the first time such a thing is happening in Norway ...the legal system favours the Child Welfare Services and they do what they want all the time... quite often when a Norwegian is married to a non-Norwegian they also do the same thing; they also do this to asylum seekers and in almost every case they say one of the parents have a mental problem just to make their case strong ...that is what has happened in the Bhattacharya case too."[7] The case of the Bhattacharya children involved Norway's foreign minister (Jonas Gahr Støre) meeting with a special envoy from India in 2012.[8]

Rutkowski kidnappings[edit]
In two widely publicized cases, the Polish private investigator Krzysztof Rutkowski has helped children (a Russian-born boy and a Polish girl) escape Norwegian foster care and reunite with their parents.[9] Later Norwegian authorities claim for return of the children has been declined by Polish court as unjustified.[10]

Michalák case[edit]
In May 2011, the two sons of Eva Michaláková and husband who originate from the Czech Republic were removed by the Child Welfare Services due to suspicion of child sexual abuse by the father; allegations denied by the couple.[11] Michaláková has since divorced her husband and continues to reside in Norway.

Michaláková continues to pursue custody of her children through various channels, including the European Court of Human Rights where her complaint was rejected without prejudice for non-exhaustion of domestic remedies.[12] The case has been discussed by Miloš Zeman president of the Czech republic,[13] in the Chamber of Deputies of the Parliament of the Czech Republic, and the foreign minister Lubomír Zaorálek has sent a diplomatic note to Oslo regarding the matter.[14] On January 20, 2015, the Norwegian Embassy in Prague published a press release explaining the Norwegian official diplomatic position on the Michalák case.[15] Several other politicians also got involved in efforts to get the children of Eva Michaláková back to their mother. The first Czech politician to do so was deputy Jitka Chalánková (TOP 09).[16] Since November 2014 also two Czech MEPs Tomáš Zdechovský and Petr Mach have got involved in this case.[17] Norway is not a party to the 1996 Hague Convention on Parental Responsibility and Protection of Children, however the government is in the process of its ratification.[citation needed]

Bodnariu family[edit]
Main article: Bodnariu case
In November 2015, a new case arose to public attention involving children of foreign nationals being removed from custody by Barnevernet. Marius and Ruth Bodnariu, a Romanian-Norwegian couple of Pentecostal faith are accused of using physical discipline against their children.[18]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodnariu_case

Under Norwegian law, authorities are obliged to respect both the children’s and the parents' right to privacy. Therefore, Barnevernet has not made details about the case public.

GordyL wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 5:28pm:

Oops, I gave my daughter a faux clip on the back of the head for being a mole this morning. I guess she'd be in foster care by now :)

I wish you hadn't said that.

Never, NEVER, NEVER slap, hit, cuff, clip a child's head to reprimand them for naughtiness. It's catastrophic for the child's sense of self-esteem and dignity, and can last a life time. I've read the research on this - and I believe it.

Anywhere but the head.

It also leaves visible bruises.

Lord Herbert wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 6:40pm:

It's catastrophic for the child's sense of self-esteem and dignity,

rubbish ... my boy loves it when I slap him across the head  :D :D :D

freediver wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 6:11pm:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnevernet Approximately 4000 people who were formerly taken into custody by Child Welfare Services have sought compensation for suffering and abuse while living in orphanages or child protection between 1945 and 1980. Of these, 2637 have received compensation, in total $220 million (2010).[3][4] Bhattacharya children[edit] The service has been severely criticized by the Government of India for taking away two children of an Indian couple who were working in Norway.[5][6] Berit Aarset, who heads Human Rights Alert, Norway, has called the incident "state kidnapping". She says, "This is not the first time such a thing is happening in Norway ...the legal system favours the Child Welfare Services and they do what they want all the time... quite often when a Norwegian is married to a non-Norwegian they also do the same thing; they also do this to asylum seekers and in almost every case they say one of the parents have a mental problem just to make their case strong ...that is what has happened in the Bhattacharya case too."[7] The case of the Bhattacharya children involved Norway's foreign minister (Jonas Gahr Støre) meeting with a special envoy from India in 2012.[8] Rutkowski kidnappings[edit] In two widely publicized cases, the Polish private investigator Krzysztof Rutkowski has helped children (a Russian-born boy and a Polish girl) escape Norwegian foster care and reunite with their parents.[9] Later Norwegian authorities claim for return of the children has been declined by Polish court as unjustified.[10] Michalák case[edit] In May 2011, the two sons of Eva Michaláková and husband who originate from the Czech Republic were removed by the Child Welfare Services due to suspicion of child sexual abuse by the father; allegations denied by the couple.[11] Michaláková has since divorced her husband and continues to reside in Norway. Michaláková continues to pursue custody of her children through various channels, including the European Court of Human Rights where her complaint was rejected without prejudice for non-exhaustion of domestic remedies.[12] The case has been discussed by Miloš Zeman president of the Czech republic,[13] in the Chamber of Deputies of the Parliament of the Czech Republic, and the foreign minister Lubomír Zaorálek has sent a diplomatic note to Oslo regarding the matter.[14] On January 20, 2015, the Norwegian Embassy in Prague published a press release explaining the Norwegian official diplomatic position on the Michalák case.[15] Several other politicians also got involved in efforts to get the children of Eva Michaláková back to their mother. The first Czech politician to do so was deputy Jitka Chalánková (TOP 09).[16] Since November 2014 also two Czech MEPs Tomáš Zdechovský and Petr Mach have got involved in this case.[17] Norway is not a party to the 1996 Hague Convention on Parental Responsibility and Protection of Children, however the government is in the process of its ratification.[citation needed] Bodnariu family[edit] Main article: Bodnariu case In November 2015, a new case arose to public attention involving children of foreign nationals being removed from custody by Barnevernet. Marius and Ruth Bodnariu, a Romanian-Norwegian couple of Pentecostal faith are accused of using physical discipline against their children.[18] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodnariu_case Under Norwegian law, authorities are obliged to respect both the children’s and the parents' right to privacy. Therefore, Barnevernet has not made details about the case public.

there are a lot more cases of abuse of power out there .... one guy lost his kids because he'd gotten caught smoking a joint 10 years earlier ... :D :D

Update

the mother of the Bodnariu children is a qualified pediatric nurse. Norweign newspapers  today reported that the head of Barnevernet, and the Bodnariu mother, once both spent 2 years studying and working together as colleagues

If anyone is interested in this case, the BBC gives a decent account of it on here

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-36026458

the most telling part I found in that story was

Most cases now don't involve parental violence, though, or alcohol- or drug-abuse. The commonest reason for a care order now is simply "lack of parenting skills".

friggen ell, I'm the first to admit I have a 'lack of parenting skill

John Smith wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 7:33pm:

If anyone is interested in this case, the BBC gives a decent account of it on here http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-36026458 the most telling part I found in that story was Most cases now don't involve parental violence, though, or alcohol- or drug-abuse. The commonest reason for a care order now is simply "lack of parenting skills". friggen ell, I'm the first to admit I have a 'lack of parenting skill

All to true, Raven posted the very same link on page 1 and it's truly staggering that this is happening in what has been voted the best country to live 12 times.

Raven just struggles to believe the children were taken because of religious indoctrination.

76% of Norway is Christian and it is highly unlikely that this is the reason the children were taken.

Raven wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 8:57pm:

76% of Norway is Christian

i thought most are atheist .

I'm not sure of how, but I've been told that Norway's religious institutions are a form of govt. investment ... the Norweign govt. actually makes a return on it's churches

capitosinora wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 8:55am:

[b]NORWEGIAN GOV’T. SEIZES 5 CHILDREN FROM PARENTS FOR ALLEGED ‘CHRISTIAN INDOCTRINATION’

That is...AWESOME!


Wish I was never indoctrinated in that cultic fairy tale myth.

There we go - another atheist who wants to bring back the dark ages. We had a thread about stealing children from religious people a while back. Anyone remember the name of it?


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I'm not sure of how, but I've been told that Norway's religious institutions are a form of govt. investment ... the Norweign govt. actually makes a return on it's churches

Not sure about profits, but they do have a state run church, which the vast majority officially belong to. Oddly enough, they also have complete religious freedom, apparently.

More atheists who support this sort of thing:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1219300450/93#93

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1213197791/283#283

Raven wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 8:57pm:

John Smith wrote on May 20th, 2016 at 7:33pm: If anyone is interested in this case, the BBC gives a decent account of it on here http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-36026458 the most telling part I found in that story was Most cases now don't involve parental violence, though, or alcohol- or drug-abuse. The commonest reason for a care order now is simply "lack of parenting skills". friggen ell, I'm the first to admit I have a 'lack of parenting skill All to true, Raven posted the very same link on page 1 and it's truly staggering that this is happening in what has been voted the best country to live 12 times. Raven just struggles to believe the children were taken because of religious indoctrination. 76% of Norway is Christian and it is highly unlikely that this is the reason the children were taken.

That's true but majority of them are protestants. The Bodnariu family are Orthodox Christians.

freediver wrote on May 21^st, 2016 at 8:22am:

More atheists who support this sort of thing: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1219300450/93#93 http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1213197791/283#283

I know. Unbelievable, isn't it? Here the 2008 FD:


freediver wrote on Sep 4^th, 2008 at 11:05am:

You want the government to adopt a policy that religion is evil and start acting on it. You would bring about a new dark of oppression.

Here's the 2009 FD:


freediver wrote on Dec 31^st, 2009 at 10:12am:

[quote] Yadda, freedom of religion is hardly a murderous philosophy.

What changed?

Paki gob on a stick wrote on May 21^st, 2016 at 5:03pm:

freediver wrote on May 21st, 2016 at 8:22am: More atheists who support this sort of thing: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1219300450/93#93 http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1213197791/283#283 I know. Unbelievable, isn't it? Here the 2008 FD: freediver wrote on Sep 4th, 2008 at 11:05am: You want the government to adopt a policy that religion is evil and start acting on it. You would bring about a new dark of oppression. Here's the 2009 FD: freediver wrote on Dec 31st, 2009 at 10:12am: [quote] Yadda, freedom of religion is hardly a murderous philosophy. What changed?

womens rights  :D :D

John Smith wrote on May 21^st, 2016 at 6:55pm:

Paki gob on a stick wrote on May 21st, 2016 at 5:03pm: freediver wrote on May 21st, 2016 at 8:22am: More atheists who support this sort of thing: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1219300450/93#93 http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1213197791/283#283 I know. Unbelievable, isn't it? Here the 2008 FD: freediver wrote on Sep 4th, 2008 at 11:05am: You want the government to adopt a policy that religion is evil and start acting on it. You would bring about a new dark of oppression. Here's the 2009 FD: freediver wrote on Dec 31st, 2009 at 10:12am: [quote] Yadda, freedom of religion is hardly a murderous philosophy. What changed? womens rights  :D :D

That's right. FD has become a devoted advocate for the rights of women everywhere.

Particularly the ones who should be banned.

If anyone is interested in this, watch Dateline Next Tuesday, 9.30pm on SBS

Reminder tonight,  Dateline . 9.30pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 5:30pm:

Reminder tonight,  Dateline . 9.30pm

Thanks, I'll watch it if I have time after 'The night of' which is a great series. The Paki dunnit BTW.

Gordon wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 5:32pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 5:30pm: Reminder tonight,  Dateline . 9.30pm Thanks, I'll watch it if I have time after 'The night of' which is a great series. The Paki dunnit BTW.

I think they're only bothering because it was the only way they could shut my wife up  ;D ;D ;D

I felt that SBS took the easy route ... there was a lot more worse cases they could have gotten into but didn't.

Although I'm not sure if that was SBS's choice or the people involved refused to be interviewed.  Barnevernet is threatening to withhold the kids for longer if parents post on social media or comment to the media.  Still, lets hope Barnevernet makes some changes and cleans up its act.

John Smith wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 10:33pm:

I felt that SBS took the easy route ... there was a lot more worse cases they could have gotten into but didn't. Although I'm not sure if that was SBS's choice or the people involved refused to be interviewed.  Barnevernet is threatening to withhold the kids for longer if parents post on social media or comment to the media.  Still, lets hope Barnevernet makes some changes and cleans up its act.

Was it an SBS production?  Dateline is just rebadged these days

Gordon wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 10:35pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 10:33pm: I felt that SBS took the easy route ... there was a lot more worse cases they could have gotten into but didn't. Although I'm not sure if that was SBS's choice or the people involved refused to be interviewed.  Barnevernet is threatening to withhold the kids for longer if parents post on social media or comment to the media.  Still, lets hope Barnevernet makes some changes and cleans up its act. Was it an SBS production?  Dateline is just rebadged these days

Wife is convinced it was ... she was talking to one of the producers about it yesterday.

this is the same reporters comments off air ...she gets into it slightly more here

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/dateline/article/2016/07/26/could-we-all-be-accused-bad-parenting