Two prominent independents say they won't do deals to form a minority government if the federal election delivers a hung parliament.

The comments from Tony Windsor and Cathy McGowan came as Malcolm Turnbull again raised fears of a Labor-Greens alliance putting at risk Australia's borders and undermining jobs through a deal on penalty rates.


http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2016/05/16/no-deals-power-say-independents

Independent Tony Windsor, who is taking on Nationals leader Barnaby Joyce in the NSW seat of New England, said he would not sign a written deal as he had done in 2010 with Julia Gillard.

"If there was another hung parliament ... I wouldn't be signing any document with any side, I would remain independent," he said.

Cathy McGowan, who is seeking re-election as an independent in the Victorian seat of Indi, said she would not enter into any agreements.

"I'm not going to sell my vote and lose my ability to vote on issues as they impact on my community," she told ABC radio.

Another independent Bob Katter, who is recontesting the Queensland seat of Kennedy, said he would put his 20-point plan to both major parties as he did in 2010.

An average of the latest polls puts Labor on 50.4 per cent of the two-party vote.



So who's left, that we haven't heard from. likely to be the mix.

Wilkie in Denison ... anyone else?

____ wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 9:26pm:

So who's left, that we haven't heard from. likely to be the mix. Wilkie in Denison ... anyone else?

It's too early to be asking this. How many House seats will Xenophon win in SA?

Bam wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 10:10pm:

____ wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 9:26pm: So who's left, that we haven't heard from. likely to be the mix. Wilkie in Denison ... anyone else? It's too early to be asking this. How many House seats will Xenophon win in SA?

I agree it is early, but current indications (polls) are that a hung Parliament is not unlikely.

Xenophon makes that more likely.

THE first week of the campaign and, surprisingly, South Australia was the focus.

The reason was a combination of four winnable Coalition-held seats and the Xenophon phenomenon, especially the question of where his Nick Xenophon Team’s preferences will finish up.

Both Labor and Liberal are running scared of Xenophon. With the polls showing a very close race, which could result in a hung House of Representatives, so they should be.

Further, it is probable that the Senate will again be hung, and the NXT will be part of the balance of power. Unfortunately, in their attempts to deal with the NXT, the parties are resorting to arguments that mislead the voters.

For example, there have been demands that Xenophon should announce which party his team will support in the case of a hung Parliament. Why on earth should he?

more

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/opinion/dean-jaensch-labor-and-liberals-have-good-reason-to-be-running-scared-of-nick-xenophon/news-story/5b63833078d998b551a734d2f43009b4


Haven't paid much attention to S.A. Are NXP in the running for lower house seats ... or is it that they can influence the outcome via preferences? .

____ wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 10:30pm:

THE first week of the campaign and, surprisingly, South Australia was the focus. The reason was a combination of four winnable Coalition-held seats and the Xenophon phenomenon, especially the question of where his Nick Xenophon Team’s preferences will finish up. Both Labor and Liberal are running scared of Xenophon. With the polls showing a very close race, which could result in a hung House of Representatives, so they should be. Further, it is probable that the Senate will again be hung, and the NXT will be part of the balance of power. Unfortunately, in their attempts to deal with the NXT, the parties are resorting to arguments that mislead the voters. For example, there have been demands that Xenophon should announce which party his team will support in the case of a hung Parliament. Why on earth should he? more http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/opinion/dean-jaensch-labor-and-liberals-have-good-reason-to-be-running-scared-of-nick-xenophon/news-story/5b63833078d998b551a734d2f43009b4 Haven't paid much attention to S.A. Are NXP in the running for lower house seats ... or is it that they can influence the outcome via preferences? .

You forgot to check with Greens Central before you posted that bewdie!

Aussie wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 10:36pm:

____ wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 10:30pm: THE first week of the campaign and, surprisingly, South Australia was the focus. The reason was a combination of four winnable Coalition-held seats and the Xenophon phenomenon, especially the question of where his Nick Xenophon Team’s preferences will finish up. Both Labor and Liberal are running scared of Xenophon. With the polls showing a very close race, which could result in a hung House of Representatives, so they should be. Further, it is probable that the Senate will again be hung, and the NXT will be part of the balance of power. Unfortunately, in their attempts to deal with the NXT, the parties are resorting to arguments that mislead the voters. For example, there have been demands that Xenophon should announce which party his team will support in the case of a hung Parliament. Why on earth should he? more http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/opinion/dean-jaensch-labor-and-liberals-have-good-reason-to-be-running-scared-of-nick-xenophon/news-story/5b63833078d998b551a734d2f43009b4 Haven't paid much attention to S.A. Are NXP in the running for lower house seats ... or is it that they can influence the outcome via preferences? . You forgot to check with Greens Central before you posted that bewdie!

What are the four?

The senator addressed some of the key issues coming out of last night’s debate, including negative gearing, given his increased popularity which sees his party having its first tilt at a lower house seat, and eyeing off four seats in the Senate.

http://www.9news.com.au/national/2016/05/14/08/03/leaders-debate-was-a-draw-xenophon

So it's just the senate?

Turn on your TV to the ABC ......  Lateline......now.

Aussie wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 10:21pm:

Bam wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 10:10pm: ____ wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 9:26pm: So who's left, that we haven't heard from. likely to be the mix. Wilkie in Denison ... anyone else? It's too early to be asking this. How many House seats will Xenophon win in SA? I agree it is early, but current indications (polls) are that a hung Parliament is not unlikely. Xenophon makes that more likely.

I agree, though the reason why I ask about Xenophon is that we have no idea how many seats his party will win in SA. The more seats his party wins, the more likely we will get a hung Parliament. NXT are likely to pick up two or three seats, but any numbers we suggest are little more than educated guesses.

On Lateline just now, Xenopohon played down his chances of anything more than a maybe in one HoR seat out of S.A.

One at a time:-

http://rationalia.com/z/Ratz%20Smilies%20Mk%203/index3_files/angrymob2.gif

That's if McGowan even wins in the first place. I have heard that a lot of people in that seat don't like how she has sided with the Greens so often. For some inexplicable reason they don't seem to like the lovely Sophie Mirabella either, so they're looking at voting Nationals. It is, after all, a conservative seat traditionally. Windsor won't beat Joyce, either.

And even if they both did win, or either, the current polling in marginal seats indicates that the Coalition is on track to hold most. So whilst it may be 50-50 or even Labor slightly ahead (give or take for margin of error) if Labor doesn't get the swings that it needs in the marginals, the Coalition will get its own majority.

matty wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 11:51pm:

That's if McGowan even wins in the first place. I have heard that a lot of people in that seat don't like how she has sided with the Greens so often. For some inexplicable reason they don't seem to like the lovely Sophie Mirabella either, so they're looking at voting Nationals. It is, after all, a conservative seat traditionally. Windsor won't beat Joyce, either.

Rather bold prediction considering the opinion polls say otherwise.


matty wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 11:51pm:

And even if they both did win, or either, the current polling in marginal seats indicates that the Coalition is on track to hold most. So whilst it may be 50-50 or even Labor slightly ahead (give or take for margin of error) if Labor doesn't get the swings that it needs in the marginals, the Coalition will get its own majority.

Seven weeks to go in the campaign and Turnbull is still leaking support. His approval figures in the latest Essential poll are now in negative territory and still falling, while Shorten's continue their slow rise. Shorten is also closing the gap on preferred PM.

Essential Research: 51-49 to Labor
Coalition 42, Labor 38, Greens 9, NXT 3.

Turnbull: Approve 40 (+1) disapprove 42 (+3).
Shorten: Approve 34 (+4) disapprove 43 (-1).
Preferred PM: Turnbull 43 (-1), Shorten 28 (+6).

The die is cast.....................

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matty wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 11:51pm:

That's if McGowan even wins in the first place. I have heard that a lot of people in that seat don't like how she has sided with the Greens so often. For some inexplicable reason they don't seem to like the lovely Sophie Mirabella either, so they're looking at voting Nationals. It is, after all, a conservative seat traditionally. Windsor won't beat Joyce, either. And even if they both did win, or either, the current polling in marginal seats indicates that the Coalition is on track to hold most. So whilst it may be 50-50 or even Labor slightly ahead (give or take for margin of error) if Labor doesn't get the swings that it needs in the marginals, the Coalition will get its own majority.

I know, Matty. Let’s just hope the lovely Sophie wins her seat and sends that awful MacGowan woman back to whatever tip she came from.

Then the lovely Sophie can take over the Liberal leadership and the grown-ups will be back in charge.

Melanias purse wrote on May 18^th, 2016 at 11:48am:

matty wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 11:51pm: That's if McGowan even wins in the first place. I have heard that a lot of people in that seat don't like how she has sided with the Greens so often. For some inexplicable reason they don't seem to like the lovely Sophie Mirabella either, so they're looking at voting Nationals. It is, after all, a conservative seat traditionally. Windsor won't beat Joyce, either. And even if they both did win, or either, the current polling in marginal seats indicates that the Coalition is on track to hold most. So whilst it may be 50-50 or even Labor slightly ahead (give or take for margin of error) if Labor doesn't get the swings that it needs in the marginals, the Coalition will get its own majority. I know, Matty. Let’s just hope the lovely Sophie wins her seat and sends that awful MacGowan woman back to whatever tip she came from. Then the lovely Sophie can take over the Liberal leadership and the grown-ups will be back in charge.

McGowan's family has been in the Indi electorate for generations. She's practically Indi royalty. On the other hand, Mirabella's a blow-in from Melbourne and her parents weren't even born here.

Bam wrote on May 18^th, 2016 at 11:51am:

Melanias purse wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 11:48am: matty wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 11:51pm: That's if McGowan even wins in the first place. I have heard that a lot of people in that seat don't like how she has sided with the Greens so often. For some inexplicable reason they don't seem to like the lovely Sophie Mirabella either, so they're looking at voting Nationals. It is, after all, a conservative seat traditionally. Windsor won't beat Joyce, either. And even if they both did win, or either, the current polling in marginal seats indicates that the Coalition is on track to hold most. So whilst it may be 50-50 or even Labor slightly ahead (give or take for margin of error) if Labor doesn't get the swings that it needs in the marginals, the Coalition will get its own majority. I know, Matty. Let’s just hope the lovely Sophie wins her seat and sends that awful MacGowan woman back to whatever tip she came from. Then the lovely Sophie can take over the Liberal leadership and the grown-ups will be back in charge. McGowan's family has been in the Indi electorate for generations. She's practically Indi royalty. On the other hand, Mirabella's a blow-in from Melbourne and her parents weren't even born here.

Yes, but the people want the lovely Sophie, and who wouldn’t?

She’s fabulous. She should never have been removed from her seat.

I blame the leftards. Typical.

Melanias purse wrote on May 18^th, 2016 at 11:56am:

Bam wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 11:51am: Melanias purse wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 11:48am: matty wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 11:51pm: That's if McGowan even wins in the first place. I have heard that a lot of people in that seat don't like how she has sided with the Greens so often. For some inexplicable reason they don't seem to like the lovely Sophie Mirabella either, so they're looking at voting Nationals. It is, after all, a conservative seat traditionally. Windsor won't beat Joyce, either. And even if they both did win, or either, the current polling in marginal seats indicates that the Coalition is on track to hold most. So whilst it may be 50-50 or even Labor slightly ahead (give or take for margin of error) if Labor doesn't get the swings that it needs in the marginals, the Coalition will get its own majority. I know, Matty. Let’s just hope the lovely Sophie wins her seat and sends that awful MacGowan woman back to whatever tip she came from. Then the lovely Sophie can take over the Liberal leadership and the grown-ups will be back in charge. McGowan's family has been in the Indi electorate for generations. She's practically Indi royalty. On the other hand, Mirabella's a blow-in from Melbourne and her parents weren't even born here. Yes, but the people want the lovely Sophie, and who wouldn’t? She’s fabulous. She should never have been removed from her seat. I blame the leftards. Typical.

You do realize if you put ",no ?" on the end that will be an extra word in your sentence that you formed.

Melanias purse wrote on May 18^th, 2016 at 11:56am:

Bam wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 11:51am: Melanias purse wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 11:48am: matty wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 11:51pm: That's if McGowan even wins in the first place. I have heard that a lot of people in that seat don't like how she has sided with the Greens so often. For some inexplicable reason they don't seem to like the lovely Sophie Mirabella either, so they're looking at voting Nationals. It is, after all, a conservative seat traditionally. Windsor won't beat Joyce, either. And even if they both did win, or either, the current polling in marginal seats indicates that the Coalition is on track to hold most. So whilst it may be 50-50 or even Labor slightly ahead (give or take for margin of error) if Labor doesn't get the swings that it needs in the marginals, the Coalition will get its own majority. I know, Matty. Let’s just hope the lovely Sophie wins her seat and sends that awful MacGowan woman back to whatever tip she came from. Then the lovely Sophie can take over the Liberal leadership and the grown-ups will be back in charge. McGowan's family has been in the Indi electorate for generations. She's practically Indi royalty. On the other hand, Mirabella's a blow-in from Melbourne and her parents weren't even born here. Yes, but the people want the lovely Sophie, and who wouldn’t? She’s fabulous. She should never have been removed from her seat. I blame the leftards. Typical.

Ahh Sophie, what a dish.

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Bam wrote on May 18^th, 2016 at 8:54am:

matty wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 11:51pm: That's if McGowan even wins in the first place. I have heard that a lot of people in that seat don't like how she has sided with the Greens so often. For some inexplicable reason they don't seem to like the lovely Sophie Mirabella either, so they're looking at voting Nationals. It is, after all, a conservative seat traditionally. Windsor won't beat Joyce, either. Rather bold prediction considering the opinion polls say otherwise. matty wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 11:51pm: And even if they both did win, or either, the current polling in marginal seats indicates that the Coalition is on track to hold most. So whilst it may be 50-50 or even Labor slightly ahead (give or take for margin of error) if Labor doesn't get the swings that it needs in the marginals, the Coalition will get its own majority. Seven weeks to go in the campaign and Turnbull is still leaking support. His approval figures in the latest Essential poll are now in negative territory and still falling, while Shorten's continue their slow rise. Shorten is also closing the gap on preferred PM. Essential Research: 51-49 to Labor Coalition 42, Labor 38, Greens 9, NXT 3. Turnbull: Approve 40 (+1) disapprove 42 (+3). Shorten: Approve 34 (+4) disapprove 43 (-1). Preferred PM: Turnbull 43 (-1), Shorten 28 (+6).

+6 jump for Shorty Rtards  :) that feeling deep down is whats known as DEFEAT after one  ;D term

Its time wrote on May 18^th, 2016 at 12:17pm:

Bam wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 8:54am: matty wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 11:51pm: That's if McGowan even wins in the first place. I have heard that a lot of people in that seat don't like how she has sided with the Greens so often. For some inexplicable reason they don't seem to like the lovely Sophie Mirabella either, so they're looking at voting Nationals. It is, after all, a conservative seat traditionally. Windsor won't beat Joyce, either. Rather bold prediction considering the opinion polls say otherwise. matty wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 11:51pm: And even if they both did win, or either, the current polling in marginal seats indicates that the Coalition is on track to hold most. So whilst it may be 50-50 or even Labor slightly ahead (give or take for margin of error) if Labor doesn't get the swings that it needs in the marginals, the Coalition will get its own majority. Seven weeks to go in the campaign and Turnbull is still leaking support. His approval figures in the latest Essential poll are now in negative territory and still falling, while Shorten's continue their slow rise. Shorten is also closing the gap on preferred PM. Essential Research: 51-49 to Labor Coalition 42, Labor 38, Greens 9, NXT 3. Turnbull: Approve 40 (+1) disapprove 42 (+3). Shorten: Approve 34 (+4) disapprove 43 (-1). Preferred PM: Turnbull 43 (-1), Shorten 28 (+6). +6 jump for Shorty Rtards  :) that feeling deep down is whats known as DEFEAT after one  ;D term

Exactly. They never should have thrown out Mr Abbott. Not even Matty will vote for them now.

Melanias purse wrote on May 18^th, 2016 at 12:59pm:

Its time wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 12:17pm: Bam wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 8:54am: matty wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 11:51pm: That's if McGowan even wins in the first place. I have heard that a lot of people in that seat don't like how she has sided with the Greens so often. For some inexplicable reason they don't seem to like the lovely Sophie Mirabella either, so they're looking at voting Nationals. It is, after all, a conservative seat traditionally. Windsor won't beat Joyce, either. Rather bold prediction considering the opinion polls say otherwise. matty wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 11:51pm: And even if they both did win, or either, the current polling in marginal seats indicates that the Coalition is on track to hold most. So whilst it may be 50-50 or even Labor slightly ahead (give or take for margin of error) if Labor doesn't get the swings that it needs in the marginals, the Coalition will get its own majority. Seven weeks to go in the campaign and Turnbull is still leaking support. His approval figures in the latest Essential poll are now in negative territory and still falling, while Shorten's continue their slow rise. Shorten is also closing the gap on preferred PM. Essential Research: 51-49 to Labor Coalition 42, Labor 38, Greens 9, NXT 3. Turnbull: Approve 40 (+1) disapprove 42 (+3). Shorten: Approve 34 (+4) disapprove 43 (-1). Preferred PM: Turnbull 43 (-1), Shorten 28 (+6). +6 jump for Shorty Rtards  :) that feeling deep down is whats known as DEFEAT after one  ;D term Exactly. They never should have thrown out Mr Abbott. Not even Matty will vote for them now.

But Abbott was toxic. He was so on the nose that he could swim with impunity in the Top End because even the crocs wouldn't touch him.

I'm all for a hung parliament.

Problem is there isn't enough strong trees to hang them all from in Canberra.

Perhaps we could just hang them from bridges or even build some gallows built for the purpose.

Bring on a hung parliament..........Yay

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Quote:

Malcolm Turnbull again raised fears of a Labor-Greens alliance undermining jobs through a deal on penalty rates.

Does this mean that the Liberals admit that they are a threat to penalty rates ?

Labor and the greens should both be defending penalty rates.

Valkie wrote on May 18^th, 2016 at 6:35pm:

I'm all for a hung parliament. Problem is there isn't enough strong trees to hang them all from in Canberra. Perhaps we could just hang them from bridges or even build some gallows built for the purpose. Bring on a hung parliament..........Yay

Back in around 71BC, the Romans lined the Appian Way with crucified slaves after they beat Spartacus.

Maybe we could take a leaf from their book, build gibbets along the Barton Highway and hang this parliament there.

It would certainly send a strong message to any politician or apparatchik approaching Can't-berra by road.

Bam wrote on May 18^th, 2016 at 6:25pm:

Melanias purse wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 12:59pm: Its time wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 12:17pm: Bam wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 8:54am: matty wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 11:51pm: That's if McGowan even wins in the first place. I have heard that a lot of people in that seat don't like how she has sided with the Greens so often. For some inexplicable reason they don't seem to like the lovely Sophie Mirabella either, so they're looking at voting Nationals. It is, after all, a conservative seat traditionally. Windsor won't beat Joyce, either. Rather bold prediction considering the opinion polls say otherwise. matty wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 11:51pm: And even if they both did win, or either, the current polling in marginal seats indicates that the Coalition is on track to hold most. So whilst it may be 50-50 or even Labor slightly ahead (give or take for margin of error) if Labor doesn't get the swings that it needs in the marginals, the Coalition will get its own majority. Seven weeks to go in the campaign and Turnbull is still leaking support. His approval figures in the latest Essential poll are now in negative territory and still falling, while Shorten's continue their slow rise. Shorten is also closing the gap on preferred PM. Essential Research: 51-49 to Labor Coalition 42, Labor 38, Greens 9, NXT 3. Turnbull: Approve 40 (+1) disapprove 42 (+3). Shorten: Approve 34 (+4) disapprove 43 (-1). Preferred PM: Turnbull 43 (-1), Shorten 28 (+6). +6 jump for Shorty Rtards  :) that feeling deep down is whats known as DEFEAT after one  ;D term Exactly. They never should have thrown out Mr Abbott. Not even Matty will vote for them now. But Abbott was toxic. He was so on the nose that he could swim with impunity in the Top End because even the crocs wouldn't touch him.

Excuse me, that’s Matty’s Prime Minister you’re slandering there.

If you’re not careful, Matty will have to stay in Long Island and give his vote to someone else.

Valkie wrote on May 18^th, 2016 at 6:35pm:

I'm all for a hung parliament.

Oh, I know. Miam miam, eh?

I like hung parliaments and hostile senates. The two major parties actually need to consider what some of the other 49% of the population (who didn't auto-vote for them) will think, instead of rubber stamping laws that will be forgotten once the pork barrelling starts, late in their term of government.

Ferk em. Make them justify their legislation to someone, at least, instead of just getting the party whip to ensure all their drones turn up for a vote.

Valkie wrote on May 18^th, 2016 at 6:35pm:

I'm all for a hung parliament.

I would prefer it applied to the people in it.

boxy wrote on May 18^th, 2016 at 10:35pm:

I like hung parliaments and hostile senates. The two major parties actually need to consider what some of the other 49% of the population (who didn't auto-vote for them) will think, instead of rubber stamping laws that will be forgotten once the pork barrelling starts, late in their term of government. Ferk em. Make them justify their legislation to someone, at least, instead of just getting the party whip to ensure all their drones turn up for a vote.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bWyhj7siEY

Tony Windsor.... oh gawd help us...

he wont do deals.. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

he expects people to believe him.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

well a t least he has greenwin in his corner...


one good thing he wont have a chance to prove himself.... i hope this costs him a fair bit of that money he made out of selling out...like the rotten to the core t*^d he is.. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)