What a stupid smug person she is.  She thinks she's so cleaver being able to CHOOSE  to wear hear headgear but all she is doing is validating a culture of oppression where women have the right to choose NOTHING.

Check out the most recent episode of Foreign Correspondent about how the youth of Iran are trying to free themselves of the chains of Islam.

Susan Carland and all the leftist Islam enablers are guilty of keeping those chains on

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I did, Gordy. I want to visit Tehran after seeing how groovy it looks on Foreign Correspondent.

Freeeeedom, no?

What does that have to do with the lovely Susan Carland? She’s an Aussie.

You nearly married a Persian princess, so I understand this must be a subject close to your heart.

Karnal wrote on May 11^th, 2016 at 8:39pm:

I did, Gordy. I want to visit Tehran after seeing how groovy it looks on Foreign Correspondent. Freeeeedom, no? What does that have to do with the lovely Susan Carland?

Did you miss how if they stray from the guidelines they get chucked in jail? Freedom,  no?

Did you miss that the woman in the photo had to flee to Turkey and considers the Hijab oppressive, no?

Don't you think it's funny that the lovely Susan can choose to wear a garment that women in Iran consider a symbol of oppression, no?

There is. of course, a difference between wearing it voluntarily and being forced to wear it.

Telling a woman she cannot wear it is no better than telling her she must.

GordyL wrote on May 11^th, 2016 at 8:45pm:

Karnal wrote on May 11th, 2016 at 8:39pm: I did, Gordy. I want to visit Tehran after seeing how groovy it looks on Foreign Correspondent. Freeeeedom, no? What does that have to do with the lovely Susan Carland? Did you miss how if they stray from the guidelines they get chucked in jail? Freedom,  no? Did you miss that the woman in the photo had to flee to Turkey and considers the Hijab oppressive, no? Don't you think it's funny that the lovely Susan can choose to wear a garment that women in Iran consider a symbol of oppression, no?

No, Gordy, I don’t understand what a Muslim woman in Australia wearing a head scarf has to do with people in Iran still living under a theocratic tyranny.

But that’s just me.

mothra wrote on May 11^th, 2016 at 8:56pm:

There is. of course, a difference between wearing it voluntarily and being forced to wear it. Telling a woman she cannot wear it is no better than telling her she must.

Gordy knows all that, Mother. He’s not racist.

He nearly slept with an Iranian once.

Karnal wrote on May 11^th, 2016 at 8:57pm:

GordyL wrote on May 11th, 2016 at 8:45pm: Karnal wrote on May 11th, 2016 at 8:39pm: I did, Gordy. I want to visit Tehran after seeing how groovy it looks on Foreign Correspondent. Freeeeedom, no? What does that have to do with the lovely Susan Carland? Did you miss how if they stray from the guidelines they get chucked in jail? Freedom,  no? Did you miss that the woman in the photo had to flee to Turkey and considers the Hijab oppressive, no? Don't you think it's funny that the lovely Susan can choose to wear a garment that women in Iran consider a symbol of oppression, no? No, Gordy, I don’t understand what a Muslim woman in Australia wearing a head scarf has to do with people in Iran still living under a theocratic tyranny. But that’s just me.

And Susan is choosing to imitate the lack of freedom forced upon the women in Iran. Freedom is wonderful when you have it, no?
Do you think the women who fled to Turkey to perform without a hijab would be proud of her?

Gordy, do you have a problem with women in this society wearing nose rings?

It would be like someone flying a swastika flag on their front lawn as a statement of free speech and solidarity with those poor downtrodden Nazis that everyone gives a hard time for some inexplicable reason.

freediver wrote on May 11^th, 2016 at 9:17pm:

It would be like someone flying a swastika flag on their front lawn as a statement of free speech and solidarity with those poor downtrodden Nazis that everyone gives a hard time for some inexplicable reason.

No. It's nothing like that at all.

The Nazi flag means the same thing in all cultures and to all people. It represents a very clear message.

Women wearing head coverings with free choice do not represent repressive regimes.

mothra wrote on May 11^th, 2016 at 9:12pm:

Gordy, do you have a problem with women in this society wearing nose rings?

Maybe if the origin of the nose ring was to use it to chain a women to the fence.

Please remember,  hijab is just burqa lite..

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GordyL wrote on May 11^th, 2016 at 9:24pm:

mothra wrote on May 11th, 2016 at 9:12pm: Gordy, do you have a problem with women in this society wearing nose rings? Maybe if the origin of the nose ring was to use it to chain a women to the fence. Please remember,  hijab is just burqa lite..

The origin of the nose ring is repressive to women.

It means something different here though.

What do the Yids wear on their heads your way, Gordy?

I’m curious.

mothra wrote on May 11^th, 2016 at 9:25pm:

GordyL wrote on May 11th, 2016 at 9:24pm: mothra wrote on May 11th, 2016 at 9:12pm: Gordy, do you have a problem with women in this society wearing nose rings? Maybe if the origin of the nose ring was to use it to chain a women to the fence. Please remember,  hijab is just burqa lite.. The origin of the nose ring is repressive to women. It means something different here though.

So when there are no Islamic countries enforcing vailing I'll accept it as cultural colour. 

How trite it is for Susan to say oh laadeedaa it's my choice to wear it when in Islamic countries young women curse it.

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GordyL wrote on May 11^th, 2016 at 9:33pm:

mothra wrote on May 11th, 2016 at 9:25pm: GordyL wrote on May 11th, 2016 at 9:24pm: mothra wrote on May 11th, 2016 at 9:12pm: Gordy, do you have a problem with women in this society wearing nose rings? Maybe if the origin of the nose ring was to use it to chain a women to the fence. Please remember,  hijab is just burqa lite.. The origin of the nose ring is repressive to women. It means something different here though. So when there are no Islamic countries enforcing vailing I'll accept it as cultural colour.  How trite it is for Susan to say oh laadeedaa it's my choice to wear it when in Islamic countries young women curse it.

Telling her she can't ear it is repressive.

Karnal wrote on May 11^th, 2016 at 9:32pm:

What do the Yids wear on their heads your way, Gordy? I’m curious.

Funny you should ask, Karnal.  I was at the beachtoday with a yid who was wearing a baseball cap, and topless. Freedom, no?

shes an attention seeker, just like her husband. Nothing to do with religion.

rhino wrote on May 11^th, 2016 at 9:56pm:

shes an attention seeker, just like her husband. Nothing to do with religion.

The fact that being an attention seeker is seen as a problem worthy of threads like this, is all about the religion though.

GordyL wrote on May 11^th, 2016 at 9:36pm:

Karnal wrote on May 11th, 2016 at 9:32pm: What do the Yids wear on their heads your way, Gordy? I’m curious. Funny you should ask, Karnal.  I was at the beachtoday with a yid who was wearing a baseball cap, and topless. Freedom, no?

Freeedom indeed. Was she wearing her cap over her wig?

I’m curious.

boxy wrote on May 11^th, 2016 at 10:05pm:

rhino wrote on May 11th, 2016 at 9:56pm: shes an attention seeker, just like her husband. Nothing to do with religion. The fact that being an attention seeker is seen as a problem worthy of threads like this, is all about the religion though.

They are just using the religion to gain attention, if it wasnt Islam it would be the cult of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Carland would be wearing a colander on her head instead of a towel, anything to make her stand out from the crowd.

Is that why priests wear all that bling? It all makes sense now!

mothra wrote on May 11^th, 2016 at 8:56pm:

There is. of course, a difference between wearing it voluntarily and being forced to wear it. Telling a woman she cannot wear it is no better than telling her she must.

It is the equivalent of telling a woman she can't wear a bikini in church.


Being told you can't do something is very different from being forced to do something.

Karnal wrote on May 11^th, 2016 at 10:50pm:

GordyL wrote on May 11th, 2016 at 9:36pm: Karnal wrote on May 11th, 2016 at 9:32pm: What do the Yids wear on their heads your way, Gordy? I’m curious. Funny you should ask, Karnal.  I was at the beachtoday with a yid who was wearing a baseball cap, and topless. Freedom, no? Freeedom indeed. Was she wearing her cap over her wig? I’m curious.

Yes very kooky, Karnal, but not equivalent.

A woman from an ultra-orthodox family in Jerusalem can chuck it all in and move to Tel Aviv and let it all hang out.
The women in the source country of that religion have equal rights, no?

What rights do the women in the source countrys of Islam have?

mothra wrote on May 11^th, 2016 at 9:22pm:

freediver wrote on May 11th, 2016 at 9:17pm: It would be like someone flying a swastika flag on their front lawn as a statement of free speech and solidarity with those poor downtrodden Nazis that everyone gives a hard time for some inexplicable reason. No. It's nothing like that at all. The Nazi flag means the same thing in all cultures and to all people. It represents a very clear message. Women wearing head coverings with free choice do not represent repressive regimes.

Oh, the swastika means the same thing to all cultures and all people does it?

GordyL wrote on May 12^th, 2016 at 7:07am:

Karnal wrote on May 11th, 2016 at 10:50pm: GordyL wrote on May 11th, 2016 at 9:36pm: Karnal wrote on May 11th, 2016 at 9:32pm: What do the Yids wear on their heads your way, Gordy? I’m curious. Funny you should ask, Karnal.  I was at the beachtoday with a yid who was wearing a baseball cap, and topless. Freedom, no? Freeedom indeed. Was she wearing her cap over her wig? I’m curious. Yes very kooky, Karnal, but not equivalent. A woman from an ultra-orthodox family in Jerusalem can chuck it all in and move to Tel Aviv and let it all hang out. The women in the source country of that religion have equal rights, no? What rights do the women in the source countrys of Islam have?

Susan Carland has the same rights as your Yid wig-wearer.

What are you arguing here?

Karnal wrote on May 12^th, 2016 at 12:45pm:

GordyL wrote on May 12th, 2016 at 7:07am: Karnal wrote on May 11th, 2016 at 10:50pm: GordyL wrote on May 11th, 2016 at 9:36pm: Karnal wrote on May 11th, 2016 at 9:32pm: What do the Yids wear on their heads your way, Gordy? I’m curious. Funny you should ask, Karnal.  I was at the beachtoday with a yid who was wearing a baseball cap, and topless. Freedom, no? Freeedom indeed. Was she wearing her cap over her wig? I’m curious. Yes very kooky, Karnal, but not equivalent. A woman from an ultra-orthodox family in Jerusalem can chuck it all in and move to Tel Aviv and let it all hang out. The women in the source country of that religion have equal rights, no? What rights do the women in the source countrys of Islam have? Susan Carland has the same rights as your Yid wig-wearer. What are you arguing here?

I've never said she's been forced to wear it.

I'm saying the garment she HAS A CHOICE TO WEAR is a garment of repression in other countries where women have NO CHOICE to wear it.
By her wearing it, it's a nod towards their repression.

Women in Israel can legally do what ever they want.

Why do you support garments of repression, Karnal?

How is Susan Carland supporting repression in other countries?

freediver wrote on May 12^th, 2016 at 7:53am:

mothra wrote on May 11th, 2016 at 9:22pm: freediver wrote on May 11th, 2016 at 9:17pm: It would be like someone flying a swastika flag on their front lawn as a statement of free speech and solidarity with those poor downtrodden Nazis that everyone gives a hard time for some inexplicable reason. No. It's nothing like that at all. The Nazi flag means the same thing in all cultures and to all people. It represents a very clear message. Women wearing head coverings with free choice do not represent repressive regimes. Oh, the swastika means the same thing to all cultures and all people does it?

You didn't mention the swastika. You mentioned the Nazi flag ... which happens to have a swastika on it along with other identifying features.

GordyL wrote on May 12^th, 2016 at 12:59pm:

Karnal wrote on May 12th, 2016 at 12:45pm: GordyL wrote on May 12th, 2016 at 7:07am: Karnal wrote on May 11th, 2016 at 10:50pm: GordyL wrote on May 11th, 2016 at 9:36pm: Karnal wrote on May 11th, 2016 at 9:32pm: What do the Yids wear on their heads your way, Gordy? I’m curious. Funny you should ask, Karnal.  I was at the beachtoday with a yid who was wearing a baseball cap, and topless. Freedom, no? Freeedom indeed. Was she wearing her cap over her wig? I’m curious. Yes very kooky, Karnal, but not equivalent. A woman from an ultra-orthodox family in Jerusalem can chuck it all in and move to Tel Aviv and let it all hang out. The women in the source country of that religion have equal rights, no? What rights do the women in the source countrys of Islam have? Susan Carland has the same rights as your Yid wig-wearer. What are you arguing here? I've never said she's been forced to wear it. I'm saying the garment she HAS A CHOICE TO WEAR is a garment of repression in other countries where women have NO CHOICE to wear it. By her wearing it, it's a nod towards their repression. Women in Israel can legally do what ever they want. Why do you support garments of repression, Karnal?

Gordy, it may or may not interest you to know that in the 1970's, Iran tried to ban head coverings.

Women all over the country covered their heads in protest.

What does this tell you?

mothra wrote on May 12^th, 2016 at 9:41pm:

GordyL wrote on May 12th, 2016 at 12:59pm: Karnal wrote on May 12th, 2016 at 12:45pm: GordyL wrote on May 12th, 2016 at 7:07am: Karnal wrote on May 11th, 2016 at 10:50pm: GordyL wrote on May 11th, 2016 at 9:36pm: Karnal wrote on May 11th, 2016 at 9:32pm: What do the Yids wear on their heads your way, Gordy? I’m curious. Funny you should ask, Karnal.  I was at the beachtoday with a yid who was wearing a baseball cap, and topless. Freedom, no? Freeedom indeed. Was she wearing her cap over her wig? I’m curious. Yes very kooky, Karnal, but not equivalent. A woman from an ultra-orthodox family in Jerusalem can chuck it all in and move to Tel Aviv and let it all hang out. The women in the source country of that religion have equal rights, no? What rights do the women in the source countrys of Islam have? Susan Carland has the same rights as your Yid wig-wearer. What are you arguing here? I've never said she's been forced to wear it. I'm saying the garment she HAS A CHOICE TO WEAR is a garment of repression in other countries where women have NO CHOICE to wear it. By her wearing it, it's a nod towards their repression. Women in Israel can legally do what ever they want. Why do you support garments of repression, Karnal? Gordy, it may or may not interest you to know that in the 1970's, Iran tried to ban head coverings. Women all over the country covered their heads in protest. What does this tell you?

Let's talk 2016

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No. The bottom line is that you shouldn't tell women what they can or cannot wear.

Karnal wrote on May 12^th, 2016 at 1:22pm:

How is Susan Carland supporting repression in other countries?

Susan Carland is supporting repression in every nominally ISLAMIC country because;

Every ISLAMIC regime [e.g. Iran, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Pakistan, et al] all use the argument of the legitimacy of ISLAMIC law, as a justification for their brutal suppression of many human rights, and for their brutal suppression of any political dissent, expressed by the individuals living within those jurisdictions.




ISLAMIC LAW;

"We sent not a messenger, but to be obeyed..........they ['believers'] can have no (real) Faith, until they make thee judge in all disputes between them, and find in their souls no resistance against Thy decisions, but accept them with the fullest conviction."
Koran 4.64, 65


And every ISLAMIC regime takes advantage of the 'occasion',       ...that in ISLAMIC law, sedition against an ISLAMIC regime is a capital crime, and legitimately punished by execution.

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"Truly, if the Hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and those who stir up sedition in the City....whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain (without mercy)."
Koran 33.60,61

"The punishment of those who......strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world..."
Koran 5.33

In ISLAMIC reference to making 'mischief' in society, is commonly recognised as a euphemism for engaging in un-ISLAMIC behaviour and/or public/social dissent against 'ISLAMIC values'.



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Susan Carland is supporting repression in every nominally ISLAMIC country because;

Susan Carland [along with every moslem on the planet], in becoming and remaining a moslem, is legitimising ISLAM.

And in her 'endorsement' of ISLAM [i.e. which we must assume would include her 'endorsement' of ISLAMIC law], Susan Carland is supporting repression in other countries.



A moslem is a follower of ISLAM.       < -------- dictionary definition.




Every moslem, including Susan Carland, by choosing to be a moslem, is making a public endorsement of ISLAM [and a public endorsement of what ISLAMIC culture promotes].

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.....political repression, thuggery, intimidation, and the ['lawful'] murder of dissenters,        .....and that political climate/environment [so often present within every nominally ISLAMIC jurisdiction] is given legitimacy, in ISLAMIC law.




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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1

Quote:

"every moslem in Australia is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac" - Yadda QUESTION; What about the innocent moslems ? IMO, [logically] there are no innocent moslems [among persons who have come to the age of consent], and yet still declare themselves to be moslems. How so [logically] ? QUESTION; How credible is it that a person who is devout enough to insist that he is a moslem, is unaware of what ISLAM promotes, and is unaware of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are ? QUESTION; How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'],      ...to a philosophy which transforms human beings, into homicidal maniacs ? QUESTION; How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'],     ...to a philosophy which claims that murdering, in the cause of religious bigotry, is a religious virtue ?

mothra wrote on May 12^th, 2016 at 10:01pm:

No. The bottom line is that you shouldn't tell women what they can or cannot wear.

Except if you are a non-moslem woman who is visiting an ISLAMIC country.

Then, you must respect ISLAM, and dress according to ISLAMIC law and culture.
/sarc off

freediver wrote on May 11^th, 2016 at 9:17pm:

It would be like someone flying a swastika flag on their front lawn as a statement of free speech and solidarity with those poor downtrodden Nazis that everyone gives a hard time for some inexplicable reason.

Oh go away  ::)

GordyL wrote on May 11^th, 2016 at 8:26pm:

What a stupid smug person she is.  She thinks she's so cleaver being able to CHOOSE  to wear hear headgear but all she is doing is validating a culture of oppression where women have the right to choose NOTHING. Check out the most recent episode of Foreign Correspondent about how the youth of Iran are trying to free themselves of the chains of Islam. Susan Carland and all the leftist Islam enablers are guilty of keeping those chains on

Gordy I understand the sentiment, but it is unfair IMO.

You are creating a false dichotomy - that your either wear the hijab and support oppression or don't wear it and support freedom. But there should be a happy medium. There's no reason why women shouldn't be entitled to wear it as a proud (and dare I say empowering) symbol of their religious identity - without being accused of being a de-factor supporter of oppression and a traitor.

There is when that religion states to hate us. In that case clearly they are wearing it to get a rise out of real aussies. Like flipping us the finger on the way by.

There are only two types of these fools. Ones forced to do it. They tend to look at the ground all the time. The others running around looking for a comment.

Susan Garland lives in la la land and is an ignorant royal idiot when it comes to islam and islamic women.

She comes form a family of idiots.

Her mother went to church every sunday and thought God was a Black Female. A family of mental midgets.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 13^th, 2016 at 7:38am:

freediver wrote on May 11th, 2016 at 9:17pm: It would be like someone flying a swastika flag on their front lawn as a statement of free speech and solidarity with those poor downtrodden Nazis that everyone gives a hard time for some inexplicable reason. Oh go away  ::)

Don't you think people are sick of you apologizing all the time for islam on an aussie forum.

One could just as validly say Oh Go away to you too ::)

polite_gandalf wrote on May 13^th, 2016 at 7:38am:

freediver wrote on May 11th, 2016 at 9:17pm: It would be like someone flying a swastika flag on their front lawn as a statement of free speech and solidarity with those poor downtrodden Nazis that everyone gives a hard time for some inexplicable reason. Oh go away  ::)

How is it different Gandalf? If Hitler had been as successful as Muhammed, his followers would no doubt be building a 'Nazism is peace' version to contradict all the people claiming their new religion is evil.


polite_gandalf wrote on May 13^th, 2016 at 7:53am:

GordyL wrote on May 11th, 2016 at 8:26pm: What a stupid smug person she is.  She thinks she's so cleaver being able to CHOOSE  to wear hear headgear but all she is doing is validating a culture of oppression where women have the right to choose NOTHING. Check out the most recent episode of Foreign Correspondent about how the youth of Iran are trying to free themselves of the chains of Islam. Susan Carland and all the leftist Islam enablers are guilty of keeping those chains on Gordy I understand the sentiment, but it is unfair IMO. You are creating a false dichotomy - that your either wear the hijab and support oppression or don't wear it and support freedom. But there should be a happy medium. There's no reason why women shouldn't be entitled to wear it as a proud (and dare I say empowering) symbol of their religious identity - without being accused of being a de-factor supporter of oppression and a traitor.

What if their religion literally means submission?

freediver wrote on May 13^th, 2016 at 2:33pm:

How is it different Gandalf? If Hitler had been as successful as Muhammed, his followers would no doubt be building a 'Nazism is peace' version to contradict all the people claiming their new religion is evil.

Yes FD, the nazi flag is exactly comparable to a piece of clothing.  ::)


freediver wrote on May 13^th, 2016 at 2:33pm:

What if their religion literally means submission?

submission to God. Very sinister no?

Submission to God, and a warmonger who has convenient revelations.

Are you trying to convince me he was a warmonger, or yourself FD?

Do you seen any significance at all in the fact that my religious beliefs are based on a prophet that was the very opposite of a warmonger? Even if you think that makes me delusional?

I've never worked out this campaign of yours to convince me Islam is based on evil and warmongering. You should know by now it has nothing to do with my actual beliefs.

freediver wrote on May 13^th, 2016 at 2:45pm:

Submission to God, and a warmonger who has convenient revelations.

All documented 6 decades after he was supposed to have died..

By you guessed it, the worlds first ever heard of muslim ;D ;D  ;D.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 13^th, 2016 at 2:49pm:

Are you trying to convince me he was a warmonger, or yourself FD? Do you seen any significance at all in the fact that my religious beliefs are based on a prophet that was the very opposite of a warmonger? Even if you think that makes me delusional? I've never worked out this campaign of yours to convince me Islam is based on evil and warmongering. You should know by now it has nothing to do with my actual beliefs.

You mustn't have heard of taqiyya, G - or Islam.

Yadda said:

Moslem == a follower of Islam.

You should read up on it. Google: Islamthereligionofpeace

Susie Carland , first Lady , has a good fit

polite_gandalf wrote on May 13^th, 2016 at 2:49pm:

Are you trying to convince me he was a warmonger, or yourself FD? Do you seen any significance at all in the fact that my religious beliefs are based on a prophet that was the very opposite of a warmonger? Even if you think that makes me delusional? I've never worked out this campaign of yours to convince me Islam is based on evil and warmongering. You should know by now it has nothing to do with my actual beliefs.

Are you talking about Muhammed - the "very opposite" of a warmonger?

polite_gandalf wrote on May 13^th, 2016 at 2:41pm:

freediver wrote on May 13th, 2016 at 2:33pm: What if their religion literally means submission? submission to God. Very sinister no?

So, the moslem is submitting himself to the will of Allah ?




gandalf,

Please correct me if i am mistaken [or if you believe that i am misrepresenting your personal opinion on this matter], but;

You appear to be stating that moslems are justified in their submission to their religion, to ISLAM.

Because in their submission to ISLAM, moslems are submitting themselves to the will of Allah.

Did i get that correct ?




So gandalf,

QUESTION;
What is the 'form', of their submission to Allah, of today's moslems ?

i.e.
Who today [i.e. in the world], is Allah's proxy, in directing how moslems correctly interpret their submission to Allah's will ?




gandalf,

FOR EXAMPLE;

If the moslem obeys his imam, is he submitting himself to the will of Allah ?




Or if the moslem decides to obey Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami, is he submitting himself to the will of Allah ?

IMAGE...
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/129.jpeg

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami




Or if the moslem decides to obey Sheik Feiz Mohammed, is he submitting himself to the will of Allah ?

IMAGE...
http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2007/01/18/va1237230244821/Sheik-Feiz-Chris-Pavlich-5363339.jpg

Sheik Feiz Mohammed





Or if the moslem decides to follow the example of the Messenger of Allah [Mohammed], is he submitting himself to the will of Allah ?


"Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah [i.e. Mohammed] a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah."
Koran 33.021



"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." - DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260


ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."




Or if the moslem seeks to travel to Syria, and submits himself/herself to the leaders of the caliphate there, to ISIS, are they submitting themselves to the will of Allah ?






And gandalf, HERE IS MY 'NOMINATION' FOR THE PRIZE OF,

THE MOST PROSTRATE MOSLEM;

Surely there is no higher authority for a moslem today, in submitting themselves to the will of Allah, than in obeying the will of Allah as it is revealed to all of mankind, in the Koran ?




Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1424590530/17#17

Quote:

The heart of ISLAM is the Koran  [and heart of the Koran, is the ideas and ideals it contains]. SO WHAT DOES THE KORAN SAY ABOUT MOSLEMS LIVING IN PEACE WITH DISBELIEVERS ? ; ---------- >

bump

freediver wrote on May 14^th, 2016 at 7:59am:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 13th, 2016 at 2:49pm: Are you trying to convince me he was a warmonger, or yourself FD? Do you seen any significance at all in the fact that my religious beliefs are based on a prophet that was the very opposite of a warmonger? Even if you think that makes me delusional? I've never worked out this campaign of yours to convince me Islam is based on evil and warmongering. You should know by now it has nothing to do with my actual beliefs. Are you talking about Muhammed - the "very opposite" of a warmonger?

Correct.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 14^th, 2016 at 9:51am:

freediver wrote on May 14th, 2016 at 7:59am: polite_gandalf wrote on May 13th, 2016 at 2:49pm: Are you trying to convince me he was a warmonger, or yourself FD? Do you seen any significance at all in the fact that my religious beliefs are based on a prophet that was the very opposite of a warmonger? Even if you think that makes me delusional? I've never worked out this campaign of yours to convince me Islam is based on evil and warmongering. You should know by now it has nothing to do with my actual beliefs. Are you talking about Muhammed - the "very opposite" of a warmonger? Correct.

gandalf,

Do you have a delusional personality ?

Or is it just that you are a clone of a fellow moslem, Mr Yunus ?





Quote:

"Peace summarises everything in Islam, because it means submitting your will to God, so you acquire peace through it," he said. "When I'm following its [i.e. ISLAM's] teachings, I know that my own actions are in line     with what my creator wants, and hence I am at peace with myself, [with] my community and the rest of the world."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-19/darwins-muslim-community-tackles-discrimination-at-meeting/6025586?section=nt




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Quote:

"Mr Yunus has been encouraging peaceful community bridging since starting his post as Darwin's Islamic leader in 2014."

- ABC news report - 2015-01-19



QUOTE;
"Peace summarises everything in Islam..."
- Mr Yunus




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THE EXAMPLE OF MOHAMMED [Allah's messenger], AS RECORDED IN ISLAMIC TEXTS


Mohammed instructs the moslem, that murdering for his 'religion' is halal....

Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf was a critic of Mohammed....

"Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?" The Prophet said, "Yes," Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "You may say it." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #005.059.369






Mohammed [Allah's messenger] instructs the moslem, that murdering a poetess [who is 'threatening' his 'religion'] is halal....

Asma bint Marwan was a critic of Mohammed....



Quote:

Ishaq: 676 “[Context note: Asma bint Marwan was a writer. She wrote critically of Muhammad, telling her tribe to be wary of him, like this:] ‘You obey a stranger who encourages you to murder for booty. You are greedy men. Is there no honor among you?’ Upon hearing those lines Muhammad said, ‘Will no one rid me of this woman?’ Umayr, a zealous Muslim, decided to execute the Prophet’s wishes. That very night he crept into the writer’s home while she lay sleeping surrounded by her young children. There was one at her breast. Umayr removed the suckling baby and then plunged his sword into the poet. The next morning in the mosque, Muhammad, who was aware of the assassination, said, ‘You have helped Allah and His Apostle.’ Umayr said, ‘She had five sons; should I feel guilty?’ ‘No,’ the Prophet answered. ‘Killing her was as meaningless as two goats butting heads.’ ”

http://www.foundalis.com/rlg/Islam_and_peace.htm

Quote:

"Peace summarises everything in Islam..."

Thanks Yadda - good quote.  :)

polite_gandalf wrote on May 14^th, 2016 at 9:51am:

freediver wrote on May 14th, 2016 at 7:59am: polite_gandalf wrote on May 13th, 2016 at 2:49pm: Are you trying to convince me he was a warmonger, or yourself FD? Do you seen any significance at all in the fact that my religious beliefs are based on a prophet that was the very opposite of a warmonger? Even if you think that makes me delusional? I've never worked out this campaign of yours to convince me Islam is based on evil and warmongering. You should know by now it has nothing to do with my actual beliefs. Are you talking about Muhammed - the "very opposite" of a warmonger? Correct.

Did he wage wars?

Apparently Garland is a university educated expert on sexism???? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

He can also identify hidden racism that no-one else knows about. So long as it is directed at Muslims.

Mr Hammer wrote on May 14^th, 2016 at 3:36pm:

Apparently Garland is a university educated expert on sexism???? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Doe she play with herself in UNI ?

freediver wrote on May 14^th, 2016 at 3:40pm:

He can also identify hidden racism that no-one else knows about. So long as it is directed at Muslims.

Hidden?

Oh, I doubt that, FD. I'd say anyone who worries about the freedoms of decent white people (exclusively) is hardly hiding it, wouldn't you?

polite_gandalf wrote on May 14^th, 2016 at 10:59am:

Quote: "Submission Peace summarises everything in Islam..." Thanks Yadda - good quote.  :)

Peace = submission.

Karnal wrote on May 11^th, 2016 at 8:39pm:

I did, Gordy. I want to visit Tehran after seeing how groovy it looks on Foreign Correspondent. Freeeeedom, no? What does that have to do with the lovely Susan Carland? She’s an Aussie. You nearly married a Persian princess, so I understand this must be a subject close to your heart.

Your idea of a nice holiday is being whipped?

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/05/28/world/middleeast/iranian-students-lashes-party.html?_r=1&referer=http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1464381403/3