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Title: Islam vs Secularism Post by GordyL on Apr 26th, 2016 at 9:09am
Are they the same, or different? :D :D :D :D :D
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Title: Re: Islam vs Secularism Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 26th, 2016 at 9:39am Islamophobia vs Astounding Ignorance Are they the same, or different? |
Title: Re: Islam vs Secularism Post by GordyL on Apr 26th, 2016 at 11:46am greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 26th, 2016 at 9:39am:
Did you know some apostate Muslims ae called Islamophobic by other Muslims. How bizzare! |
Title: Re: Islam vs Secularism Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 26th, 2016 at 11:49am GordyL wrote on Apr 26th, 2016 at 11:46am:
Not really bizarre. Astounding ignorance exists everywhere, even in religion. In some cases, especially in religion. Look at ian, for example, and his belief in Scientology. |
Title: Re: Islam vs Secularism Post by GordyL on Apr 26th, 2016 at 12:03pm greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 26th, 2016 at 11:49am:
At least there's only 25000 of the silly buggers in the world, 2000 odd in Australia. I've never heard anyone called a raciest or xyz_phobic for criticizing Scientology. I think both religions are equally a big load of rotting pustulous bullcrap. If there were 100x the amount of Scientologists in Australia, I'd be posting about their nonsense every day. |
Title: Re: Islam vs Secularism Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 26th, 2016 at 12:12pm GordyL wrote on Apr 26th, 2016 at 12:03pm:
So do I, but I don't have an irrational fear or hatred of either of them. Their religions are silly, but I live and let live. I'm tolerant. Islamophobes are intolerant. |
Title: Re: Islam vs Secularism Post by GordyL on Apr 26th, 2016 at 12:14pm greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 26th, 2016 at 12:12pm:
Do you think there is a fair bit of intolerance within Islam? |
Title: Re: Islam vs Secularism Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 26th, 2016 at 12:15pm GordyL wrote on Apr 26th, 2016 at 12:14pm:
Absolutely. All religions have a fair bit of intolerance. That's no reason for me to hate or fear every Scientologist, Christian, or Muslim on earth, though. I just choose not to join their religion, and continue to live and let live. |
Title: Re: Islam vs Secularism Post by GordyL on Apr 26th, 2016 at 1:59pm greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 26th, 2016 at 12:15pm:
Look if you prefer the ISIS style burning man over a secular celebration of hedonism and art, that's fine. Different strokes.... |
Title: Re: Islam vs Secularism Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 26th, 2016 at 2:02pm GordyL wrote on Apr 26th, 2016 at 1:59pm:
I prefer secular celebrations. I've made that crystal clear: Gordy: "I think both religions are equally a big load of rotting pustulous bullcrap." Greg: "So do I". |
Title: Re: Islam vs Secularism Post by GordyL on Apr 26th, 2016 at 4:41pm greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 26th, 2016 at 2:02pm:
I'm sure we have some overlapping views but a very different approach on how to actually deal with them. I believe Australia should be promoted as a secular immigration destination. Please bring your yummy food, interesting dances, world music. If you want to wear your burqa or hijab on a cultural holiday, splendid. But just know there will be no space made for your sky-daddery nonsense. If that doesn't suit you, put a map of the world on your wall and you'll find more than enough places to accommodate your beliefs. |
Title: Re: Islam vs Secularism Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 26th, 2016 at 5:23pm GordyL wrote on Apr 26th, 2016 at 4:41pm:
I'm fine with that, as long as it applies to all religions. Agreed? |
Title: Re: Islam vs Secularism Post by Honky on Apr 26th, 2016 at 5:51pm GordyL wrote on Apr 26th, 2016 at 4:41pm:
I don't believe Australia should be promoted as an anything immigration destination. We've had decades in a growth phase, but there has been no consolidation phase. How do you think another coupla million people, no matter what race or religion, will positively impact your life? |
Title: Re: Islam vs Secularism Post by GordyL on Apr 26th, 2016 at 6:10pm ... wrote on Apr 26th, 2016 at 5:51pm:
I'll correct my wording and say we should be 'known' as a secular immigration destination. I'm very much in the sustainable population camp. |
Title: Re: Islam vs Secularism Post by GordyL on Apr 26th, 2016 at 6:11pm greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 26th, 2016 at 5:23pm:
Absolutely. |
Title: Re: Islam vs Secularism Post by freediver on Apr 26th, 2016 at 6:16pm greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 26th, 2016 at 12:15pm:
Scientology may be silly, but have they started on mass murder yet? They have a lot of catching up to do if they want to be as 'silly' as Islam. |
Title: Re: Islam vs Secularism Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 26th, 2016 at 6:18pm freediver wrote on Apr 26th, 2016 at 6:16pm:
I wouldn't be surprised. And even if they have, it wouldn't cause me to hate (or be frightened of) every single Scientologist on the planet. It's the people who do the killing: not the religions. |
Title: Re: Islam vs Secularism Post by Mr Hammer on Apr 26th, 2016 at 6:22pm greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 26th, 2016 at 6:18pm:
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Title: Re: Islam vs Secularism Post by GordyL on Apr 26th, 2016 at 6:22pm freediver wrote on Apr 26th, 2016 at 6:16pm:
They do exhibit some pretty cultist behavior such as haranguing apostates. I'd be very worried if they were anything more than just a fraction of a % of the population. The reason I dislike Islam so much is they represent a big block of the population and they're becoming more extreme thanks to Saudi spreading their cancerous bile. |
Title: Re: Islam vs Secularism Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 26th, 2016 at 6:24pm Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 26th, 2016 at 6:22pm:
What if your auntie had balls? Would you still call her 'auntie'? |
Title: Re: Islam vs Secularism Post by freediver on Apr 26th, 2016 at 6:25pm
Greg do you allow yourself to criticise Nazism?
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Title: Re: Islam vs Secularism Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 26th, 2016 at 6:26pm freediver wrote on Apr 26th, 2016 at 6:25pm:
Do you? |
Title: Re: Islam vs Secularism Post by Mr Hammer on Apr 26th, 2016 at 6:28pm greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 26th, 2016 at 6:24pm:
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Title: Re: Islam vs Secularism Post by Mr Hammer on Apr 26th, 2016 at 6:29pm
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Title: Re: Islam vs Secularism Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 26th, 2016 at 6:29pm Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 26th, 2016 at 6:28pm:
Do you understand the difference between "judge" and "tolerate", Homo? |
Title: Re: Islam vs Secularism Post by Mr Hammer on Apr 26th, 2016 at 6:30pm
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Title: Re: Islam vs Secularism Post by freediver on Apr 26th, 2016 at 6:32pm greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 26th, 2016 at 6:26pm:
Yes Greg. Do you? |
Title: Re: Islam vs Secularism Post by Mr Hammer on Apr 26th, 2016 at 6:33pm greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 26th, 2016 at 6:29pm:
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Title: Re: Islam vs Secularism Post by Mr Hammer on Apr 26th, 2016 at 6:33pm
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Title: Re: Islam vs Secularism Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 26th, 2016 at 6:34pm Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 26th, 2016 at 6:33pm:
I don't remember saying that, Homo. Lying won't help you, you know? |
Title: Re: Islam vs Secularism Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 26th, 2016 at 6:35pm freediver wrote on Apr 26th, 2016 at 6:32pm:
Why wouldn't I, FD? |
Title: Re: Islam vs Secularism Post by Mr Hammer on Apr 26th, 2016 at 6:38pm greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 26th, 2016 at 6:34pm:
And even if they have, it wouldn't cause me to hate (or be frightened of) every single Scientologist on the planet. It's the people who do the killing: not the religions So you don't hate every member of the KKK then. That's nice. Good for you. |
Title: Re: Islam vs Secularism Post by Mr Hammer on Apr 26th, 2016 at 6:38pm
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Title: Re: Islam vs Secularism Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 26th, 2016 at 6:47pm Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 26th, 2016 at 6:38pm:
You have a real problem with words, don't you Homo? Now you're getting 'judge' and 'hate' confused. Perhaps you should see someone about that. |
Title: Re: Islam vs Secularism Post by freediver on Apr 26th, 2016 at 7:14pm greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 26th, 2016 at 6:35pm:
Because that would be apologising for Nazis? |
Title: Re: Islam vs Secularism Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 26th, 2016 at 7:50pm freediver wrote on Apr 26th, 2016 at 7:14pm:
Well thank goodness I criticise Nazism and Islam and Liberal politicians and shonky car salesmen and commercial TV and ... Anyone else we should be criticising, FD? |
Title: Re: Islam vs Secularism Post by freediver on Apr 26th, 2016 at 8:54pm
Wouldn't criticising it involve mentioning it?
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Title: Re: Islam vs Secularism Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 26th, 2016 at 8:55pm freediver wrote on Apr 26th, 2016 at 8:54pm:
What do you think, FD? |
Title: Re: Islam vs Secularism Post by freediver on Apr 26th, 2016 at 9:25pm
I think your idiocy about not mentioning Islam because that is apologising for terrorists and somehow denying their responsibility for their own actions (as well as being racist, bigoted etc...) is tying you in all sorts of knots.
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Title: Re: Islam vs Seculiarism Post by Karnal on Apr 26th, 2016 at 9:29pm Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 26th, 2016 at 6:38pm:
We all love the KKK, Homo. Well, the nice ones, anyway. You? |
Title: Re: Islam vs Secularism Post by Karnal on Apr 26th, 2016 at 9:31pm freediver wrote on Apr 26th, 2016 at 9:25pm:
Yes, FD did say this. |
Title: Re: Islam vs Seculiarism Post by Mr Hammer on Apr 26th, 2016 at 9:35pm Karnal wrote on Apr 26th, 2016 at 9:29pm:
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Title: Re: Islam vs Secularism Post by Mr Hammer on Apr 26th, 2016 at 9:35pm
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Title: Re: Islam vs Seculiarism Post by Karnal on Apr 26th, 2016 at 9:47pm Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 26th, 2016 at 9:35pm:
If you’re asking if they drop goat meat around for Eid, Homo, never. I live in Western Sydney, remember. Some of my best friends are KKKs. |
Title: Re: Islam vs Secularism Post by gandalf on Apr 27th, 2016 at 7:51am freediver wrote on Apr 26th, 2016 at 9:25pm:
I know FD, I mean its almost as idiotic as this... freediver wrote on Jul 19th, 2007 at 4:32pm:
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Title: Re: Islam vs Seculiarism Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 27th, 2016 at 7:59am Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 26th, 2016 at 9:35pm:
I'm sure you haven't. Birds of a feather, and all that. |
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