To the woman he said, "I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you



If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the girl's virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father's house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death




A woman should learn in quietness and full submission

They'd be Bible quotes, wouldn't they?


Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.
(Colossians 3:18; cf. 1 Peter 3:1 and Ephesians 5:22)

... I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man...For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, foreasmuch as he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
(1 Corinthians 11:3 & 7-9)

Let your women keep silence in churches: for it is not permitted unto them; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also sayeth the law.
(1 Corinthians 14:34, c/f 1 Corinthians 11:3-9 & Timothy 2:11-12)

Great reply mothra.

They are both ancient documents. Christians had a reformation. Islam have not.

Super Nova wrote on Apr 24^th, 2016 at 2:57am:

Great reply mothra. They are both ancient documents. Christians had a reformation. Islam have not.

True, Super. And the purpose of that Reformation was to bring the church’s focus back to the teachings of the Bible.

I was hoping you would pick up on the web I spun for the righties , I would've reeled in at least 3

Karnal wrote on Apr 24^th, 2016 at 3:07am:

Super Nova wrote on Apr 24th, 2016 at 2:57am: Great reply mothra. They are both ancient documents. Christians had a reformation. Islam have not. True, Super. And the purpose of that Reformation was to bring the church’s focus back to the teachings of the Bible.

Ahhh. Original sin. Women and our naughty bits are responsible for all of the world's troubles.

Best make sure we can only serve. Like Nuns.

An interesting contrast to what Mohammed had to say about women ... but who's quibbling?

Its time wrote on Apr 24^th, 2016 at 3:18am:

I was hoping you would pick up on the web I spun for the righties , I would've reeled in at least 3

Sorry Lefty. Couldn't help myself.

This should still be interesting though. Let us see.

Nice words.  Would you rather be a woman in Australia or....

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How come Leftwinger missed these ???


This, from Paul [the 'woman hater'];

Colossians 3:18
Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.
19  Husbands, love your wives, and be not bitter against them.



Ephesians 5:22
Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
23  For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24  Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
25  Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
26  That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
27  That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
28  So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.




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But what about the teaching of respect for women and their moral dignity, from within ISLAM ?

Oh!   There's lots of respect for women, from within ISLAM !          :P




Mohammed declared that "the majority of the dwellers of Hell..." were women, coz women are morally and intellectually defective.


"Once Allah's Apostle went out to the Musalla (to offer the prayer) o 'Id-al-Adha or Al-Fitr prayer. Then he passed by the women and said, "O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women)." They asked, "Why is it so, O Allah's Apostle ?" He replied, "You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you." The women asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?" He said, "Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?" They replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?" The women replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her religion." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #001.006.301
and,
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #002.024.541




AND......


Yadda said....

Quote:

+++ THE 'RIGHTS'(?) OF WOMEN IN ISLAM e.g. #1 The Koran [Allah] instructs moslems to beat disobedient wives, but ever so lightly. And you know, don't you, that moslem men do beat their wives,...ever so lightly. "Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all)." Koran 4.034 Actually, i have read somewhere, that the 'clarifying' insertion "(lightly)", DOES NOT APPEAR IN THE ARABIC KORAN. And that this 'insertion' is [has been] added in some English translations of the Koran - to mislead those readers of the English translation of the Koran, one can only assume. +++ THE 'RIGHTS'(?) OF WOMEN IN ISLAM e.g. #2 IMO, within ISLAM, women have the status of cattle or 'fields'. The Koran [i.e. Allah] states that the woman, the wife, has the status of a field [of earth, 'tilth']. And her husband may use her [plough her] as he wishes ['how ye will']. And remember that every word in the Koran, has the sanctity of coming directly from Allah himself. And remember also, that Allah is never wrong, mistaken. "Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will; but do some good act for your souls beforehand; and fear Allah. And know that ye are to meet Him (in the Hereafter), and give (these) good tidings to those who believe." Koran 2.223 Dictionary; tilth = = cultivation of land; tillage. +++ THE 'RIGHTS'(?) OF WOMEN IN ISLAM e.g. #3 Under ISLAMIC inheritance law. Any daughter receives 1/2 the entitlement of any male heir. e.g. Where there is a son, and a daughter, to inherit an estate. The estate is divided into 3 parts. The son receives 2 parts. The daughter receives 1 part. "Allah (thus) directs you as regards your Children's (Inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females: if only daughters, two or more, their share is two-thirds of the inheritance; if only one, her share is a half...." Koran 4.11

Its time wrote on Apr 24^th, 2016 at 2:04am:

To the woman he said, "I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you God addressing Eve,      .....after the fall. If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the girl's virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father's house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death Punishment applicable to immoral women, among the Ancient Hebrews. Having taken an oath to be a holy people, unto their God, YAHWEH. Leviticus 11:44 For I am the LORD your God: ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy; for I am holy:.... Leviticus 19:2 Speak unto all the congregation of the children of Israel, and say unto them, Ye shall be holy: for I the LORD your God am holy. A woman should learn in quietness and full submission Christian doctrine teaches that women ought to be Godly and modest,       .....as men too ought to be.

GordyL wrote on Apr 24^th, 2016 at 7:19am:

Nice words.  Would you rather be a woman in Australia or....

Or Roman Palestine?

I’ll take Australia thanks, Gordy. Our forefathers had this thing called the Enlightenment. It got the church’s teachings out of our decision making.

If it wasn’t for Locke, Hume, Rousseau, etc, people like Fred Nile, Gorge Pell and Peter Jensen would still be our bosses.

Yadda wrote on Apr 24^th, 2016 at 9:03am:

Its time wrote on Apr 24th, 2016 at 2:04am: To the woman he said, "I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you God addressing Eve,      .....after the fall. If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the girl's virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father's house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death Punishment applicable to immoral women, among the Ancient Hebrews. Having taken an oath to be a holy people, unto their God, YAHWEH. Leviticus 11:44 For I am the LORD your God: ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy; for I am holy:.... Leviticus 19:2 Speak unto all the congregation of the children of Israel, and say unto them, Ye shall be holy: for I the LORD your God am holy. A woman should learn in quietness and full submission Christian doctrine teaches that women ought to be Godly and modest,       .....as men too ought to be.

Sorry, Y, you missed the bit about the stonings and burnings and beheadings.

You always forget them.

Maybe you should tie a piece of string around your finger or something, mm?

Karnal wrote on Apr 24^th, 2016 at 1:12pm:

Yadda wrote on Apr 24th, 2016 at 9:03am: Its time wrote on Apr 24th, 2016 at 2:04am: To the woman he said, "I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you God addressing Eve,      .....after the fall. If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the girl's virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father's house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death Punishment applicable to immoral women, among the Ancient Hebrews. Having taken an oath to be a holy people, unto their God, YAHWEH. Leviticus 11:44 For I am the LORD your God: ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy; for I am holy:.... Leviticus 19:2 Speak unto all the congregation of the children of Israel, and say unto them, Ye shall be holy: for I the LORD your God am holy. A woman should learn in quietness and full submission Christian doctrine teaches that women ought to be Godly and modest,       .....as men too ought to be. Sorry, Y, you missed the bit about the stonings and burnings and beheadings. You always forget them. Maybe you should tie a piece of string around your finger or something, mm?

It's strange that he would want to avoid it mmm

All religious texts were written in ancient times where most men and women did not know how to read or write.

Of course they would seem outdated or misogynistic, they were written hundreds and hundreds of years ago.

That is why they should be reflected on rather than taken verbatim.

The biggest problem isn't what the scripture says, but the people who say each word must be followed to the letter.

The messages that have survived and are still relevant are the ones we seek to find through study of the texts.

You will likely find the majority of this extremism within Islam.

Its time wrote on Apr 26^th, 2016 at 11:57pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 24th, 2016 at 1:12pm: Yadda wrote on Apr 24th, 2016 at 9:03am: Its time wrote on Apr 24th, 2016 at 2:04am: To the woman he said, "I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you God addressing Eve,      .....after the fall. If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the girl's virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father's house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death Punishment applicable to immoral women, among the Ancient Hebrews. Having taken an oath to be a holy people, unto their God, YAHWEH. Leviticus 11:44 For I am the LORD your God: ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy; for I am holy:.... Leviticus 19:2 Speak unto all the congregation of the children of Israel, and say unto them, Ye shall be holy: for I the LORD your God am holy. A woman should learn in quietness and full submission Christian doctrine teaches that women ought to be Godly and modest,       .....as men too ought to be. Sorry, Y, you missed the bit about the stonings and burnings and beheadings. You always forget them. Maybe you should tie a piece of string around your finger or something, mm? It's strange that he would want to avoid it mmm

It is strange. Y, by his own admission, is an "Old Testament" Christian - a "karmic" Christian - and by this he means he believes in an eye for an eye. 

The prophet Yeheshua, peace be upon Him,  taught that the most important law is to love one another.

Y forgets this bit too.

Binary wrote on Apr 27^th, 2016 at 2:34am:

The biggest problem isn't what the scripture says, but the people who say each word must be followed to the letter.

Ah.

Karnal wrote on Apr 27^th, 2016 at 10:03am:

Its time wrote on Apr 26th, 2016 at 11:57pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 24th, 2016 at 1:12pm: Yadda wrote on Apr 24th, 2016 at 9:03am: Its time wrote on Apr 24th, 2016 at 2:04am: To the woman he said, "I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you God addressing Eve,      .....after the fall. If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the girl's virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father's house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death Punishment applicable to immoral women, among the Ancient Hebrews. Having taken an oath to be a holy people, unto their God, YAHWEH. Leviticus 11:44 For I am the LORD your God: ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy; for I am holy:.... Leviticus 19:2 Speak unto all the congregation of the children of Israel, and say unto them, Ye shall be holy: for I the LORD your God am holy. A woman should learn in quietness and full submission Christian doctrine teaches that women ought to be Godly and modest,       .....as men too ought to be. Sorry, Y, you missed the bit about the stonings and burnings and beheadings. You always forget them. Maybe you should tie a piece of string around your finger or something, mm? It's strange that he would want to avoid it mmm It is strange. Y, by his own admission, is an "Old Testament" Christian - a "karmic" Christian - and by this he means he believes in an eye for an eye.  The prophet Yeheshua, peace be upon Him,  taught that the most important law is to love one another. Y forgets this bit too.

Yes,        .....thank you Karnal,        .....for giving us your interpretation of my beliefs, my thought processes, and my worldview.

....for blandly misrepresenting my person.




p.s.
Yehshua taught that the most important law, is to love God.


Matthew 22:36
Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37  Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38  This is the first and great commandment.
39  And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.




And that is exactly how moslems worship too.     !!!!!        :P

Moslems love their God,          .....and then moslems promote the murder of persons [their neighbours] who reject their God.

.......exactly as ISLAM tells them to do.






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Deuteronomy 6:5
......thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.


Leviticus 19:18
Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

Binary wrote on Apr 27^th, 2016 at 2:34am:

All religious texts were written in ancient times where most men and women did not know how to read or write. Of course they would seem outdated or misogynistic, they were written hundreds and hundreds of years ago. That is why they should be reflected on rather than taken verbatim. The biggest problem isn't what the scripture says, but the people who say each word must be followed to the letter. The messages that have survived and are still relevant are the ones we seek to find through study of the texts.

Myself, i think that all people should try to read all of the Bible [O.T. and N.T.], at least once.

And then, if necessary, give their opinion about the reverence of its contents.





The book of Psalms and the book of Proverbs, would be a good place to start.



Psalms 25:8
Good and upright is the LORD: therefore will he teach sinners in the way.
9  The meek will he guide in judgment: and the meek will he teach his way.
10  All the paths of the LORD are mercy and truth unto such as keep his covenant and his testimonies.
11  For thy name's sake, O LORD, pardon mine iniquity; for it is great.
12  What man is he that feareth the LORD? him shall he teach in the way that he shall choose.


Proverbs 3:6
In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

Yadda wrote on Apr 27^th, 2016 at 10:46am:

Yes,        .....thank you Karnal,        .....for giving us your interpretation of my beliefs, my thought processes, and my worldview. ....for blandly misrepresenting my person.

Said Yadda.

Yadda wrote on Apr 27^th, 2016 at 10:56am:

Myself, i think that all people should try to read all of the Bible [O.T. and N.T.], at least once. And then, if necessary, give their opinion about the reverence of its contents.

The bible (and other ancient religious texts) is a terrible read. They jump all over the place, wander off into irrelevancies, and are obviously, and needlessly self contradictory. It's like trying to read a book written by committee ::)

Quote:

Yes,        .....thank you,        .....for giving us your interpretation of my beliefs, my thought processes, and my worldview. ....for blandly misrepresenting my nature.

This could be a direct quote from god, said to the committee that wrote the bible/koran ;D

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 27^th, 2016 at 12:30pm:

Yadda wrote on Apr 27th, 2016 at 10:46am: Yes,        .....thank you Karnal,        .....for giving us your interpretation of my beliefs, my thought processes, and my worldview. ....for blandly misrepresenting my person. Said Yadda.

Who also forgets that he called himself an "Old Testament man", a "Karmic Christian", and an "eccentric". And he did so to distance himself from Christians who bang on about "love thy neighbour" and "judge not lest ye shall surely be judged". Y's posts are all about judgment. To back this up, Y describes his God as jealous, vengeful and wrathful. Y knows the truth for all mankind, and he's not going to let it rest.

And you, G, have no right to pass judgement. Every Moslem is a latent homicidal maniac. Every Moslem is an inveterate liar.

I'm sure Y won't forget saying that.

Karnal wrote on Apr 27^th, 2016 at 1:03pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 27th, 2016 at 12:30pm: Yadda wrote on Apr 27th, 2016 at 10:46am: Yes,        .....thank you Karnal,        .....for giving us your interpretation of my beliefs, my thought processes, and my worldview. ....for blandly misrepresenting my person. Said Yadda. Who also forgets that he called himself an "Old Testament man", a "Karmic Christian", and an "eccentric". And he did so to distance himself from Christians who bang on about "love thy neighbour" and "judge not lest ye shall surely be judged". Y's posts are all about judgment. To back this up, Y describes his God as jealous, vengeful and wrathful. Y knows the truth for all mankind, and he's not going to let it rest. And you, G, have no right to pass judgement. Every Moslem is a latent homicidal maniac. Every Moslem is an inveterate liar. I'm sure Y won't forget saying that.

He keeps skipping the stoning's for some reason , lets hope none of those Christian's ever took that passage literally  , phew imagine that, they would be as bad as those brown people 

Christians follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, IE. the new testament. You might like to limit your Christian rants to that.
Also look up what a testament is and covenant. You may learn a thing or two.

You laugh at moslems being latent homicidal maniacs and liars yet that IS exactly what the Quran teaches each one to be with non believers. Christians are not taught to do that unless you can show me where Jesus taught it. You see this is why your type always run to the old testament. Jesus Christs teachings make mohammed and islam's teaching utter lunacy compared to Christianity.

Its time wrote on Apr 27^th, 2016 at 3:56pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 27th, 2016 at 1:03pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 27th, 2016 at 12:30pm: Yadda wrote on Apr 27th, 2016 at 10:46am: Yes,        .....thank you Karnal,        .....for giving us your interpretation of my beliefs, my thought processes, and my worldview. ....for blandly misrepresenting my person. Said Yadda. Who also forgets that he called himself an "Old Testament man", a "Karmic Christian", and an "eccentric". And he did so to distance himself from Christians who bang on about "love thy neighbour" and "judge not lest ye shall surely be judged". Y's posts are all about judgment. To back this up, Y describes his God as jealous, vengeful and wrathful. Y knows the truth for all mankind, and he's not going to let it rest. And you, G, have no right to pass judgement. Every Moslem is a latent homicidal maniac. Every Moslem is an inveterate liar. I'm sure Y won't forget saying that. He keeps skipping the stoning's for some reason , lets hope none of those Christian's ever took that passage literally  , phew imagine that, they would be as bad as those brown people

Oh, I know - the stonings, the burnings, the beheadings. How could an Old Testament man could forget those?

Ashley wrote on Apr 27^th, 2016 at 4:52pm:

You see this is why your type always run to the old testament.

You take that back. Y is free to run wherever he chooses.

Y's eccentric. He's a Karmic Khristian.

I do hope you're not defending that type. Matty is always careful to disclose his self-proclaimed atheism - unless you've decided to become a Christian in your campaign against the Muselman?

Good idea, Matty. That could work. 

Karnal wrote on Apr 27^th, 2016 at 1:03pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 27th, 2016 at 12:30pm: Yadda wrote on Apr 27th, 2016 at 10:46am: Yes,        .....thank you Karnal,        .....for giving us your interpretation of my beliefs, my thought processes, and my worldview. ....for blandly misrepresenting my person. Said Yadda. Who also forgets that he called himself an "Old Testament man", a "Karmic Christian", and an "eccentric". And he did so to distance himself from Christians who bang on about "love thy neighbour" and "judge not lest ye shall surely be judged". Y's posts are all about judgment. To back this up, Y describes his God as jealous, vengeful and wrathful. Y knows the truth for all mankind, and he's not going to let it rest.

Karnal,

You forgot the one about, 'The LORD is a man of war...'


Exodus 15:3
The LORD is a man of war....




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Karnal wrote on Apr 27^th, 2016 at 1:03pm:

And you, G, have no right to pass judgement. Every Moslem is a latent homicidal maniac. Every Moslem is an inveterate liar. I'm sure Y won't forget saying that.

Hmmmmm, well, you obviously got that right.





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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1459586210/51#51

Quote:

QUESTION; Who or what, is a moslem ??? A moslem is a follower of ISLAM.       < -------- dictionary definition. And mainstream ISLAM is a philosophy which [within its doctrines, and tenets, and laws] teaches every moslem,        .....that a moslem who murders an enemy of Allah, is a good and virtuous person. But, what or who, is 'an enemy of Allah' ??? ISLAM [in the Koran] defines anyone who is a disbeliever, as an enemy of Allah! Seriously,          ......is it any wonder that so many 'nice' people, suddenly buy an airline ticket for Turkey [i.e. Syria], or walk into a cafe in Martin Place, Sydney, or go to the local mosque to obtain a pistol,               .....and then turn into homicidal maniacs ? No,    ....it isn't. Because; Every moslem, is a moslem.

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Quote:

Every Moslem is a latent homicidal maniac. Every Moslem is an inveterate liar. I'm sure Y won't forget saying that.

Me saying it, Karnal !!?



What about moslems publicly declaring it ?


Watch the words coming out of their own mouths.



Quote:

"[DEATH PENALTY FOR HOMOSEXUALS]....these are general views that every moslem actually has. .....Just because they are not telling you about it....doesn't mean they don't believe in them."

SIMPLY WATCH THE FIRST 60 SECONDS OF THIS YT VIDEO !

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Moslems in Norway.....

Watch as in a public hall [in Norway],       .....hundreds of moslem men reconfirm [for the 'record', and for the camera!], what it means, to be a normal moslem;


What Normal Muslims Think - And Europe Fails to Understand  -------- >   goto 41 sec
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYAcLudBbhg



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Yadda said......
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1457899000/32#32

Quote:

....wherever sizable local moslem communities are established, .....leaders within those communities begin to promote religious bigotry and religious violence [by moslems!], as being 'normal' and 'lawful' behaviour !!! [.......while at the very same time, those same moslem community leaders will publicly deny such a circumstance, and will publicly insist that such ISLAMIC doctrines, are not ISLAMIC.]      !!!!!!

Above, i make the claim that;

"....wherever sizable local moslem communities are established,
.....leaders within those communities begin to promote religious bigotry and religious violence [by moslems!], as being 'normal' and 'lawful' behaviour !!!"


EXAMPLE #2;

Muslim cleric: Those who don't respect Muslims have "no right to live"

paraphrasing this moslem cleric, in Norway;

'We [the local ummah, i.e. moslems in Norway] must kill those who don't respect moslems/ISLAM.

The moslems [in Norway] who would do this are innocent.'

direct quote;

Quote:

"Anyone who knows of this punishment can kill him.  Anyone."

Liveleak video link is on this page [it may be on YT too ?]
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http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/03/muslim-cleric-those-who-dont-respect-muslims-have-no-right-to-live

Ashley wrote on Apr 27^th, 2016 at 4:52pm:

Christians follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, IE. the new testament. You might like to limit your Christian rants to that. Also look up what a testament is and covenant. You may learn a thing or two. You laugh at moslems being latent homicidal maniacs and liars yet that IS exactly what the Quran teaches each one to be with non believers. Christians are not taught to do that unless you can show me where Jesus taught it. You see this is why your type always run to the old testament. Jesus Christs teachings make mohammed and islam's teaching utter lunacy compared to Christianity.

Ashley,

Thank you for your contribution.

But please remember that Jesus was a Torah observant Jewish man.

When anyone reads the New Testament, they can find examples of Jesus encouraging Jewish people [including his disciples] to obey God's [i.e. Moses] law.




Ashley,

What do you think that Jesus 'intended', when he, Jesus, spoke thus ?? ;

Matthew 15:3
But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
4  For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
5  But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
6  And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.

Yadda wrote on Apr 27^th, 2016 at 6:19pm:

Ashley, Thank you for your contribution. But please remember that Jesus was a Torah observant Jewish man. When anyone reads the New Testament, they can find examples of Jesus encouraging Jewish people [including his disciples] to obey God's [i.e. Moses] law.

Matthew 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.


Matthew 10:34
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35  For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36  And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
37  He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
38  And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.


Matthew 12:46
While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him.
47  Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
48  But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
49  And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
50  For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Yadda wrote on Apr 27^th, 2016 at 6:19pm:

Ashley wrote on Apr 27th, 2016 at 4:52pm: Christians follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, IE. the new testament. You might like to limit your Christian rants to that. Also look up what a testament is and covenant. You may learn a thing or two. You laugh at moslems being latent homicidal maniacs and liars yet that IS exactly what the Quran teaches each one to be with non believers. Christians are not taught to do that unless you can show me where Jesus taught it. You see this is why your type always run to the old testament. Jesus Christs teachings make mohammed and islam's teaching utter lunacy compared to Christianity. Ashley, Thank you for your contribution. But please remember that Jesus was a Torah observant Jewish man. When anyone reads the New Testament, they can find examples of Jesus encouraging Jewish people [including his disciples] to obey God's [i.e. Moses] law. Ashley, What do you think that Jesus 'intended', when he, Jesus, spoke thus ?? ; Matthew 15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? 4  For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. 5  But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; 6  And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.

An.enigmatic quote, Y. I sincerely have no idea what Jesus means by this. I’ve read it, pondered it, re-read it and pondered it again. Who knows? I might need to ponder it some more.

But I’m.curious. Can you say what you think it means? I’d really like to know.

Karnal wrote on Apr 27^th, 2016 at 9:12pm:

Yadda wrote on Apr 27th, 2016 at 6:19pm: Ashley wrote on Apr 27th, 2016 at 4:52pm: Christians follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, IE. the new testament. You might like to limit your Christian rants to that. Also look up what a testament is and covenant. You may learn a thing or two. You laugh at moslems being latent homicidal maniacs and liars yet that IS exactly what the Quran teaches each one to be with non believers. Christians are not taught to do that unless you can show me where Jesus taught it. You see this is why your type always run to the old testament. Jesus Christs teachings make mohammed and islam's teaching utter lunacy compared to Christianity. Ashley, Thank you for your contribution. But please remember that Jesus was a Torah observant Jewish man. When anyone reads the New Testament, they can find examples of Jesus encouraging Jewish people [including his disciples] to obey God's [i.e. Moses] law. Ashley, What do you think that Jesus 'intended', when he, Jesus, spoke thus ?? ; Matthew 15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? 4  For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. 5  But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; 6  And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. An.enigmatic quote, Y. I sincerely have no idea what Jesus means by this. I’ve read it, pondered it, re-read it and pondered it again. Who knows? I might need to ponder it some more. But I’m.curious. Can you say what you think it means? I’d really like to know.

Does the bible make you wet, Karnal?

Here's some Carl that I rather enjoy.

On the arrogance of religions that claim the universe was made for us

It almost never feels like prejudice. Instead, it seems fitting and just—the idea that, because of an accident of birth, our group (whichever one it is) should have a central position in the social universe. Among Pharaonic princelings and Plantagenet pretenders, children of robber barons and Central Committee bureaucrats, street gangs and conquerors of nations, members of confident majorities, obscure sects, and reviled minorities, this self-serving attitude seems as natural as breathing. It draws sustenance from the same psychic wellsprings as sexism, racism, nationalism, and the other deadly chauvinisms that plague our species. Uncommon strength of character is needed to resist the blandishments of those who assure us that we have an obvious, even God-given, superiority over our fellows…

Karnal said:

It most certainly does,.Gordy. You could say I’m a Bible enthusiast.

I’m most interested in the words of our prophet Yeheshua. Can you understand Y’s quote above?

Karnal wrote on Apr 27^th, 2016 at 9:56pm:

It most certainly does,.Gordy. You could say I’m a Bible enthusiast. I’m most interested in the words of our prophet Yeheshua. Can you understand Y’s quote above?

I've got a  circuit breaker in my head that trips at the first sight of any religious nonsense yet I can read the driest of scientific papers for hours.

Just doing my bit to help religiosity slip into irrelevancy

GordyL wrote on Apr 27^th, 2016 at 10:02pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 27th, 2016 at 9:56pm: It most certainly does,.Gordy. You could say I’m a Bible enthusiast. I’m most interested in the words of our prophet Yeheshua. Can you understand Y’s quote above? I've got a  circuit breaker in my head that trips at the first sight of any religious nonsense yet I can read the driest of scientific papers for hours. Just doing my bit to help religiosity slip into irrelevancy

No worries. You’re not curious.

Karnal wrote on Apr 27^th, 2016 at 10:05pm:

GordyL wrote on Apr 27th, 2016 at 10:02pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 27th, 2016 at 9:56pm: It most certainly does,.Gordy. You could say I’m a Bible enthusiast. I’m most interested in the words of our prophet Yeheshua. Can you understand Y’s quote above? I've got a  circuit breaker in my head that trips at the first sight of any religious nonsense yet I can read the driest of scientific papers for hours. Just doing my bit to help religiosity slip into irrelevancy No worries. You’re not curious.

I think to understand that you need to have a pretty good feel for biblical language.  I'm a yid, right?

GordyL wrote on Apr 27^th, 2016 at 10:11pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 27th, 2016 at 10:05pm: GordyL wrote on Apr 27th, 2016 at 10:02pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 27th, 2016 at 9:56pm: It most certainly does,.Gordy. You could say I’m a Bible enthusiast. I’m most interested in the words of our prophet Yeheshua. Can you understand Y’s quote above? I've got a  circuit breaker in my head that trips at the first sight of any religious nonsense yet I can read the driest of scientific papers for hours. Just doing my bit to help religiosity slip into irrelevancy No worries. You’re not curious. I think to understand that you need to have a pretty good feel for biblical language.  I'm a yid, right?

So you are circumcised.

No worries. Y is circumcised of the spirit.

Karnal wrote on Apr 27^th, 2016 at 10:17pm:

GordyL wrote on Apr 27th, 2016 at 10:11pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 27th, 2016 at 10:05pm: GordyL wrote on Apr 27th, 2016 at 10:02pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 27th, 2016 at 9:56pm: It most certainly does,.Gordy. You could say I’m a Bible enthusiast. I’m most interested in the words of our prophet Yeheshua. Can you understand Y’s quote above? I've got a  circuit breaker in my head that trips at the first sight of any religious nonsense yet I can read the driest of scientific papers for hours. Just doing my bit to help religiosity slip into irrelevancy No worries. You’re not curious. I think to understand that you need to have a pretty good feel for biblical language.  I'm a yid, right? So you are circumcised. No worries. Y is circumcised of the spirit.

I told you before,  if you don't stop thinking about my penis your husband will throw acid in your face  ::)

Karnal wrote on Apr 27^th, 2016 at 4:53pm:

Its time wrote on Apr 27th, 2016 at 3:56pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 27th, 2016 at 1:03pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 27th, 2016 at 12:30pm: Yadda wrote on Apr 27th, 2016 at 10:46am: Yes,        .....thank you Karnal,        .....for giving us your interpretation of my beliefs, my thought processes, and my worldview. ....for blandly misrepresenting my person. Said Yadda. Who also forgets that he called himself an "Old Testament man", a "Karmic Christian", and an "eccentric". And he did so to distance himself from Christians who bang on about "love thy neighbour" and "judge not lest ye shall surely be judged". Y's posts are all about judgment. To back this up, Y describes his God as jealous, vengeful and wrathful. Y knows the truth for all mankind, and he's not going to let it rest. And you, G, have no right to pass judgement. Every Moslem is a latent homicidal maniac. Every Moslem is an inveterate liar. I'm sure Y won't forget saying that. He keeps skipping the stoning's for some reason , lets hope none of those Christian's ever took that passage literally  , phew imagine that, they would be as bad as those brown people  Oh, I know - the stonings, the burnings, the beheadings. How could an Old Testament man could forget those?

It's all sunshine and lollipops in the bible , its a good thing nobody was ever oppressed by scriptures .

Its time wrote on Apr 27^th, 2016 at 10:29pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 27th, 2016 at 4:53pm: Its time wrote on Apr 27th, 2016 at 3:56pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 27th, 2016 at 1:03pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 27th, 2016 at 12:30pm: Yadda wrote on Apr 27th, 2016 at 10:46am: Yes,        .....thank you Karnal,        .....for giving us your interpretation of my beliefs, my thought processes, and my worldview. ....for blandly misrepresenting my person. Said Yadda. Who also forgets that he called himself an "Old Testament man", a "Karmic Christian", and an "eccentric". And he did so to distance himself from Christians who bang on about "love thy neighbour" and "judge not lest ye shall surely be judged". Y's posts are all about judgment. To back this up, Y describes his God as jealous, vengeful and wrathful. Y knows the truth for all mankind, and he's not going to let it rest. And you, G, have no right to pass judgement. Every Moslem is a latent homicidal maniac. Every Moslem is an inveterate liar. I'm sure Y won't forget saying that. He keeps skipping the stoning's for some reason , lets hope none of those Christian's ever took that passage literally  , phew imagine that, they would be as bad as those brown people  Oh, I know - the stonings, the burnings, the beheadings. How could an Old Testament man could forget those? It's all sunshine and lollipops in the bible , its a good thing nobody was ever oppressed by scriptures .

Only if they’re Moslem scriptures, LW.

Islam, you see, is not a race.

Karnal wrote on Apr 27^th, 2016 at 10:33pm:

Its time wrote on Apr 27th, 2016 at 10:29pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 27th, 2016 at 4:53pm: Its time wrote on Apr 27th, 2016 at 3:56pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 27th, 2016 at 1:03pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 27th, 2016 at 12:30pm: Yadda wrote on Apr 27th, 2016 at 10:46am: Yes,        .....thank you Karnal,        .....for giving us your interpretation of my beliefs, my thought processes, and my worldview. ....for blandly misrepresenting my person. Said Yadda. Who also forgets that he called himself an "Old Testament man", a "Karmic Christian", and an "eccentric". And he did so to distance himself from Christians who bang on about "love thy neighbour" and "judge not lest ye shall surely be judged". Y's posts are all about judgment. To back this up, Y describes his God as jealous, vengeful and wrathful. Y knows the truth for all mankind, and he's not going to let it rest. And you, G, have no right to pass judgement. Every Moslem is a latent homicidal maniac. Every Moslem is an inveterate liar. I'm sure Y won't forget saying that. He keeps skipping the stoning's for some reason , lets hope none of those Christian's ever took that passage literally  , phew imagine that, they would be as bad as those brown people  Oh, I know - the stonings, the burnings, the beheadings. How could an Old Testament man could forget those? It's all sunshine and lollipops in the bible , its a good thing nobody was ever oppressed by scriptures . Only if they’re Moslem scriptures, LW. Islam, you see, is not a race.

Both books are a fat load of Smelly balls.  But one book has a bunch of followers who take it very literally.

Karnal wrote on Apr 27^th, 2016 at 9:12pm:

Yadda wrote on Apr 27th, 2016 at 6:19pm: Ashley wrote on Apr 27th, 2016 at 4:52pm: Christians follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, IE. the new testament. You might like to limit your Christian rants to that. Also look up what a testament is and covenant. You may learn a thing or two. You laugh at moslems being latent homicidal maniacs and liars yet that IS exactly what the Quran teaches each one to be with non believers. Christians are not taught to do that unless you can show me where Jesus taught it. You see this is why your type always run to the old testament. Jesus Christs teachings make mohammed and islam's teaching utter lunacy compared to Christianity. Ashley, Thank you for your contribution. But please remember that Jesus was a Torah observant Jewish man. When anyone reads the New Testament, they can find examples of Jesus encouraging Jewish people [including his disciples] to obey God's [i.e. Moses] law. Ashley, What do you think that Jesus 'intended', when he, Jesus, spoke thus ?? ; Matthew 15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? 4  For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. 5  But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; 6  And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. An.enigmatic quote, Y. I sincerely have no idea what Jesus means by this. I’ve read it, pondered it, re-read it and pondered it again. Who knows? I might need to ponder it some more. But I’m.curious. Can you say what you think it means? I’d really like to know.

Karnal,

Nah, i don't believe you.

GordyL wrote on Apr 27^th, 2016 at 9:26pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 27th, 2016 at 9:12pm: Yadda wrote on Apr 27th, 2016 at 6:19pm: Ashley wrote on Apr 27th, 2016 at 4:52pm: Christians follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, IE. the new testament. You might like to limit your Christian rants to that. Also look up what a testament is and covenant. You may learn a thing or two. You laugh at moslems being latent homicidal maniacs and liars yet that IS exactly what the Quran teaches each one to be with non believers. Christians are not taught to do that unless you can show me where Jesus taught it. You see this is why your type always run to the old testament. Jesus Christs teachings make mohammed and islam's teaching utter lunacy compared to Christianity. Ashley, Thank you for your contribution. But please remember that Jesus was a Torah observant Jewish man. When anyone reads the New Testament, they can find examples of Jesus encouraging Jewish people [including his disciples] to obey God's [i.e. Moses] law. Ashley, What do you think that Jesus 'intended', when he, Jesus, spoke thus ?? ; Matthew 15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? 4  For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. 5  But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; 6  And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. An.enigmatic quote, Y. I sincerely have no idea what Jesus means by this. I’ve read it, pondered it, re-read it and pondered it again. Who knows? I might need to ponder it some more. But I’m.curious. Can you say what you think it means? I’d really like to know. Does the bible make you wet, Karnal? Here's some Carl that I rather enjoy. On the arrogance of religions that claim the universe was made for us It almost never feels like prejudice. Instead, it seems fitting and just—the idea that, because of an accident of birth, our group (whichever one it is) should have a central position in the social universe. Among Pharaonic princelings and Plantagenet pretenders, children of robber barons and Central Committee bureaucrats, street gangs and conquerors of nations, members of confident majorities, obscure sects, and reviled minorities, this self-serving attitude seems as natural as breathing. It draws sustenance from the same psychic wellsprings as sexism, racism, nationalism, and the other deadly chauvinisms that plague our species. Uncommon strength of character is needed to resist the blandishments of those who assure us that we have an obvious, even God-given, superiority over our fellows…

GordyL,

Regarding YOUR consciousness.

Do you believe that you are conscious when you are 'awake' [i.e. not asleep] ?

Do you believe that you are awake, in those moments when you believe that you are 'conscious' [i.e. self aware] ?




Stupid Q's ??

Yes, that's right.

And that, is because i am a stupid person.

[Silly Yadda.]

Lost sheep.

Wilderness.




Deuteronomy 8:2
And thou shalt remember all the way which the LORD thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness, to humble thee, and to prove thee, to know what was in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or no.



1 Corinthians 6:9
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10  Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Yadda wrote on Apr 28^th, 2016 at 12:01am:

Lost sheep. Wilderness. Deuteronomy 8:2 And thou shalt remember all the way which the LORD thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness, to humble thee, and to prove thee, to know what was in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or no. 1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10  Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Still no stoning's  beheadings or murders  ::)

Try the quran (book of war) you will have more luck. Jesus laid down His life for his enemies.

Yadda wrote on Apr 27^th, 2016 at 11:42pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 27th, 2016 at 9:12pm: Yadda wrote on Apr 27th, 2016 at 6:19pm: Ashley wrote on Apr 27th, 2016 at 4:52pm: Christians follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, IE. the new testament. You might like to limit your Christian rants to that. Also look up what a testament is and covenant. You may learn a thing or two. You laugh at moslems being latent homicidal maniacs and liars yet that IS exactly what the Quran teaches each one to be with non believers. Christians are not taught to do that unless you can show me where Jesus taught it. You see this is why your type always run to the old testament. Jesus Christs teachings make mohammed and islam's teaching utter lunacy compared to Christianity. Ashley, Thank you for your contribution. But please remember that Jesus was a Torah observant Jewish man. When anyone reads the New Testament, they can find examples of Jesus encouraging Jewish people [including his disciples] to obey God's [i.e. Moses] law. Ashley, What do you think that Jesus 'intended', when he, Jesus, spoke thus ?? ; Matthew 15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? 4  For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. 5  But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; 6  And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. An.enigmatic quote, Y. I sincerely have no idea what Jesus means by this. I’ve read it, pondered it, re-read it and pondered it again. Who knows? I might need to ponder it some more. But I’m.curious. Can you say what you think it means? I’d really like to know. Karnal, Nah, i don't believe you.

That doesn't matter, Y. What do you think Yeheshua means?

Ashley wrote on Apr 28^th, 2016 at 10:31am:

Try the quran (book of war) you will have more luck. Jesus laid down His life for his enemies.

Ah, but Muhammed laid down thousands more lives.

freediver wrote on Apr 28^th, 2016 at 5:11pm:

Ashley wrote on Apr 28th, 2016 at 10:31am: Try the quran (book of war) you will have more luck. Jesus laid down His life for his enemies. Ah, but Muhammed laid down thousands more lives.

There was that Jew and his gold, for a start.

Can you remind us what happened again, FD? Some of us haven't heard that one before.

Matty's new incarnations will be most curious.

Karnal wrote on Apr 28^th, 2016 at 5:42pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 28th, 2016 at 5:11pm: Ashley wrote on Apr 28th, 2016 at 10:31am: Try the quran (book of war) you will have more luck. Jesus laid down His life for his enemies. Ah, but Muhammed laid down thousands more lives. There was that Jew and his gold, for a start. Can you remind us what happened again, FD? Some of us haven't heard that one before.

Google;
muhammad torture, buried treasure







Quote:

Muhammad aggressively attacked several groups of people around him. One of these groups were the Jews of Khaibar. Muhammad believed God led him to attack Khaibar. After Khaibar was conquered, the Jews were either enslaved, executed, or allowed to live there provided they gave the Muslims one half of all they produced. One of Muhammad's most brutal acts involved a prisoner named Kinana. Kinana was one of the leaders of Khaibar. Muhammad wanted him to reveal where some buried treasure was hidden. Kinana refused. Muhammad had him tortured to the point of death, then had him beheaded.

http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/kinana.htm





"In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful."
Koran 1.1

Thanks, Y, but it’s just not the same as when FD tells it.

I know, Yadda doesn't know the right terms to use - like "scheming jews".

GordyL wrote on Apr 27^th, 2016 at 9:26pm:

On the arrogance of religions that claim the universe was made for us It almost never feels like prejudice. Instead, it seems fitting and just—the idea that, because of an accident of birth, our group (whichever one it is) should have a central position in the social universe. Among Pharaonic princelings and Plantagenet pretenders, children of robber barons and Central Committee bureaucrats, street gangs and conquerors of nations, members of confident majorities, obscure sects, and reviled minorities, this self-serving attitude seems as natural as breathing. It draws sustenance from the same psychic wellsprings as sexism, racism, nationalism, and the other deadly chauvinisms that plague our species. Uncommon strength of character is needed to resist the blandishments of those who assure us that we have an obvious, even God-given, superiority over our fellows…

What's wrong with thinking the universe revolves around planet earth?
On religions thinking theirs is exclusively correct, sometimes there can only be one truth.
1+1 will only ever equal 2.

Personally I feel each persons religion is their own. Whichever way they were raised they must remain faithful to.
In that sense they are all correct. But for whatever reason, call it fate, we each have our own that was selected for us.
Or we can cast that off and choose our own (or none if that suits you).

Still I believe that not having any connection with the spiritual, that is, the immaterial world, you are denying yourself a whole half of life.
So much of our emotions, thoughts etc. all exist beyond physical limitations.
If we root ourselves solely in what's in front of our own eyes we do ourselves a great disservice.

Thoughts on these Koran quotes lefties?




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Just 3 examples from ISLAM's primary foundation text, the Koran, declaring that every moslem [worthy of that 'symbol'] will embrace 'religious' enmity and engage in 'religious' warfare against disbelievers,
AS PROOF OF THE MOSLEMS' COMMITMENT, TO HIS BELIEFS,
AS PROOF OF THE MOSLEMS' COMMITMENT, TO ISLAM....


#1,
"Those who believe in Allah and the Last Day ask thee for no exemption from fighting...And Allah knoweth well those who do their duty."
Koran 9.44


#2,
"Let those fight in the cause of Allah Who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fighteth in the cause of Allah,- whether he is slain or gets victory - Soon shall We give him a reward of great (value).
And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?- Men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will protect; and raise for us from thee one who will help!"
Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan: feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan."
Koran 4.74-76

n.b.
The implication which is projected by ISLAM, upon all non-moslems, is that.....
"....[all] those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: [...and are ipso facto] the friends of Satan:..."

i.e.
The implication projected by mainstream ISLAMIC doctrine, is that all disbelievers DESERVE TO DIE.


#3,
"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

n.b.
It is Allah himself [as revealed in his most holy Koran], who declares that fighting against the 'disbelievers' is a 'religious' obligation for every moslem.




There are dozens more examples within ISLAMIC texts of Allah and Mohammed exhorting moslems to enmity and warfare against disbelievers [who reject ISLAM].




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ISLAMIC law, and the Koran itself, repeatedly assert, that the [obedient] moslem,     if he has the means and power to do so,     the obedient moslem will not passively permit other persons,       .....to worship a God, who is not called 'Allah'.





Quote:

'Whosoever dies without participating in an expedition (jihad) nor having the intention to do so, dies on a branch of hypocrisy,'

   - 'Aussie' EX-moslem, Mohamed Elomar, quoting holy ISLAMIC scripture.



Google;
"Allah's Messenger said" "Whosoever dies without participating"





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gandalf is suggesting that it is presumptive of me [i.e. arrogant and mistaken] to present such conclusions about ISLAM.

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polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 27^th, 2016 at 12:30pm:

Yadda wrote on Apr 27th, 2016 at 10:46am: Yes,        .....thank you Karnal,        .....for giving us your interpretation of my beliefs, my thought processes, and my worldview. ....for blandly misrepresenting my person. Said Yadda.

Said gandalf.




But please, if i am in error, please demonstrate in argument and in debate,
....how being a moslem, DOES NOT MEAN, that a moslem must [is obligated to] obey Allah,
....and, whenever 'opportunity' [i.e. the means] is presented to the moslem,
....he is to engage in [political] violence against disbelievers to further the religious and political ambitions which ISLAM promotes [in the secular [non-religious] world].







Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1459586210/51#51

Quote:

QUESTION; Who or what, is a moslem ??? A moslem is a follower of ISLAM.       < -------- dictionary definition. And mainstream ISLAM is a philosophy which [within its doctrines, and tenets, and laws] teaches every moslem,        .....that a moslem who murders an enemy of Allah, is a good and virtuous person. But, what or who, is 'an enemy of Allah' ??? ISLAM [in the Koran] defines anyone who is a disbeliever, as an enemy of Allah! Seriously,          ......is it any wonder that so many 'nice' people, suddenly buy an airline ticket for Turkey [i.e. Syria], or walk into a cafe in Martin Place, Sydney, or go to the local mosque to obtain a pistol,               .....and then turn into homicidal maniacs ? No,    ....it isn't. Because; Every moslem, is a moslem.

Quote:

The implication which is projected by ISLAM, upon all non-moslems, is that..... "....[all] those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: [...and are ipso facto] the friends of Satan:..."

Looks like you've forgotten all those Bible quotes that say the same, Y.

Strange. You've been posting them for years.


Quote:

feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan

Cunning, no?

Yadda wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 10:58am:

Thoughts on these Koran quotes lefties? . Just 3 examples from ISLAM's primary foundation text, the Koran, declaring that every moslem [worthy of that 'symbol'] will embrace 'religious' enmity and engage in 'religious' warfare against disbelievers, AS PROOF OF THE MOSLEMS' COMMITMENT, TO HIS BELIEFS, AS PROOF OF THE MOSLEMS' COMMITMENT, TO ISLAM.... #1, "Those who believe in Allah and the Last Day ask thee for no exemption from fighting...And Allah knoweth well those who do their duty." Koran 9.44 #2, "Let those fight in the cause of Allah Who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fighteth in the cause of Allah,- whether he is slain or gets victory - Soon shall We give him a reward of great (value). And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?- Men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will protect; and raise for us from thee one who will help!" Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan: feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan." Koran 4.74-76 n.b. The implication which is projected by ISLAM, upon all non-moslems, is that..... "....[all] those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: [...and are ipso facto] the friends of Satan:..." i.e. The implication projected by mainstream ISLAMIC doctrine, is that all disbelievers DESERVE TO DIE. #3, "Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not." Koran 2.216 n.b. It is Allah himself [as revealed in his most holy Koran], who declares that fighting against the 'disbelievers' is a 'religious' obligation for every moslem. There are dozens more examples within ISLAMIC texts of Allah and Mohammed exhorting moslems to enmity and warfare against disbelievers [who reject ISLAM]. . ISLAMIC law, and the Koran itself, repeatedly assert, that the [obedient] moslem,     if he has the means and power to do so,     the obedient moslem will not passively permit other persons,       .....to worship a God, who is not called 'Allah'. Quote: 'Whosoever dies without participating in an expedition (jihad) nor having the intention to do so, dies on a branch of hypocrisy,'    - 'Aussie' EX-moslem, Mohamed Elomar, quoting holy ISLAMIC scripture. Google; "Allah's Messenger said" "Whosoever dies without participating" . gandalf is suggesting that it is presumptive of me [i.e. arrogant and mistaken] to present such conclusions about ISLAM. ---------- > polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 27th, 2016 at 12:30pm: Yadda wrote on Apr 27th, 2016 at 10:46am: Yes,        .....thank you Karnal,        .....for giving us your interpretation of my beliefs, my thought processes, and my worldview. ....for blandly misrepresenting my person. Said Yadda. Said gandalf. But please, if i am in error, please demonstrate in argument and in debate, ....how being a moslem, DOES NOT MEAN, that a moslem must [is obligated to] obey Allah, ....and, whenever 'opportunity' [i.e. the means] is presented to the moslem, ....he is to engage in [political] violence against disbelievers to further the religious and political ambitions which ISLAM promotes [in the secular [non-religious] world]. Yadda said.... [quote] QUESTION; Who or what, is a moslem ??? A moslem is a follower of ISLAM.       < -------- dictionary definition. And mainstream ISLAM is a philosophy which [within its doctrines, and tenets, and laws] teaches every moslem,        .....that a moslem who murders an enemy of Allah, is a good and virtuous person. But, what or who, is 'an enemy of Allah' ??? ISLAM [in the Koran] defines anyone who is a disbeliever, as an enemy of Allah! Seriously,          ......is it any wonder that so many 'nice' people, suddenly buy an airline ticket for Turkey [i.e. Syria], or walk into a cafe in Martin Place, Sydney, or go to the local mosque to obtain a pistol,               .....and then turn into homicidal maniacs ? No,    ....it isn't. Because; Every moslem, is a moslem.

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Yes the quran actually has more Violent instruction in it and Bigotry than Adolf Hitlers Mein Kamph. It is no wonder Islam and the Nazi's teamed up in the War.

Unlike the Bibles New Covenant between God and man the quran only has the writers anger/terrorism against non believers to carry forward to this very day hence all the problems with islam/moslems.

Karnal wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 11:17am:

Quote: The implication which is projected by ISLAM, upon all non-moslems, is that..... "....[all] those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: [...and are ipso facto] the friends of Satan:..." Looks like you've forgotten all those Bible quotes that say the same, Y. Strange. You've been posting them for years. [quote]feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan

Cunning, no?[/quote]

Karnal, putting aside the score of which book has more violence, which book is currently in 2016 being followed literally more often?

GordyL wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 1:29pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 11:17am: Quote: The implication which is projected by ISLAM, upon all non-moslems, is that..... "....[all] those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: [...and are ipso facto] the friends of Satan:..." Looks like you've forgotten all those Bible quotes that say the same, Y. Strange. You've been posting them for years. [quote]feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan Cunning, no?

Karnal, putting aside the score of which book has more violence, [/quote]

Y never puts that aside, Gordy. It's the subject of his every post. Even suggesting this should be put inside can get you a charge of spineless apologism.

And as we all know, the penalty for that is eternity in hell.

Karnal wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 1:37pm:

GordyL wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 1:29pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 11:17am: Quote: The implication which is projected by ISLAM, upon all non-moslems, is that..... "....[all] those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: [...and are ipso facto] the friends of Satan:..." Looks like you've forgotten all those Bible quotes that say the same, Y. Strange. You've been posting them for years. [quote]feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan Cunning, no? Karnal, putting aside the score of which book has more violence,

Y never puts that aside, Gordy. It's the subject of his every post. Even suggesting this should be put inside can get you a charge of spineless apologism.

And as we all know, the penalty for that is eternity in hell. [/quote]

I asked you :)

GordyL wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 1:40pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 1:37pm: GordyL wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 1:29pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 11:17am: Quote: The implication which is projected by ISLAM, upon all non-moslems, is that..... "....[all] those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: [...and are ipso facto] the friends of Satan:..." Looks like you've forgotten all those Bible quotes that say the same, Y. Strange. You've been posting them for years. [quote]feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan Cunning, no? Karnal, putting aside the score of which book has more violence, Y never puts that aside, Gordy. It's the subject of his every post. Even suggesting this should be put inside can get you a charge of spineless apologism. And as we all know, the penalty for that is eternity in hell.

I asked you :)
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Oh yes, so you did. We'll ignore Y then. He's the most literal follower here.

Well, he doesn't practice any of it, he just says he does.

Is that the sort of thing you mean?

Karnal wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 1:42pm:

GordyL wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 1:40pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 1:37pm: GordyL wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 1:29pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 11:17am: Quote: The implication which is projected by ISLAM, upon all non-moslems, is that..... "....[all] those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: [...and are ipso facto] the friends of Satan:..." Looks like you've forgotten all those Bible quotes that say the same, Y. Strange. You've been posting them for years. [quote]feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan Cunning, no? Karnal, putting aside the score of which book has more violence, Y never puts that aside, Gordy. It's the subject of his every post. Even suggesting this should be put inside can get you a charge of spineless apologism. And as we all know, the penalty for that is eternity in hell. I asked you :)

Oh yes, so you did. We'll ignore Y then. He's the most literal follower here.

Well, he doesn't practice any of it, he just says he does.

Is that the sort of thing you mean? [/quote]

Getting an answer from you can be as hard as getting a bacon sandwich in in Bellevuejew   Hill.  ;)

GordyL wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 1:45pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 1:42pm: GordyL wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 1:40pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 1:37pm: GordyL wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 1:29pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 11:17am: Quote: The implication which is projected by ISLAM, upon all non-moslems, is that..... "....[all] those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: [...and are ipso facto] the friends of Satan:..." Looks like you've forgotten all those Bible quotes that say the same, Y. Strange. You've been posting them for years. [quote]feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan Cunning, no? Karnal, putting aside the score of which book has more violence, Y never puts that aside, Gordy. It's the subject of his every post. Even suggesting this should be put inside can get you a charge of spineless apologism. And as we all know, the penalty for that is eternity in hell. I asked you :) Oh yes, so you did. We'll ignore Y then. He's the most literal follower here. Well, he doesn't practice any of it, he just says he does. Is that the sort of thing you mean?

Getting an answer from you can be as hard as getting a bacon sandwich in in Bellevuejew   Hill.  ;)[/quote]

You won't want one of those, Gordy - not Kosher.

Karnal wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 1:48pm:

GordyL wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 1:45pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 1:42pm: GordyL wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 1:40pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 1:37pm: GordyL wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 1:29pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 11:17am: Quote: The implication which is projected by ISLAM, upon all non-moslems, is that..... "....[all] those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: [...and are ipso facto] the friends of Satan:..." Looks like you've forgotten all those Bible quotes that say the same, Y. Strange. You've been posting them for years. [quote]feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan Cunning, no? Karnal, putting aside the score of which book has more violence, Y never puts that aside, Gordy. It's the subject of his every post. Even suggesting this should be put inside can get you a charge of spineless apologism. And as we all know, the penalty for that is eternity in hell. I asked you :) Oh yes, so you did. We'll ignore Y then. He's the most literal follower here. Well, he doesn't practice any of it, he just says he does. Is that the sort of thing you mean? Getting an answer from you can be as hard as getting a bacon sandwich in in Bellevuejew   Hill.  ;)

You won't want one of those, Gordy - not Kosher. [/quote]

In the Pulp Fiction diner conversion scene, I'm Vincent Vega.
Did you not see my post from the weekend?
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1461482303

GordyL wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 1:51pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 1:48pm: GordyL wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 1:45pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 1:42pm: GordyL wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 1:40pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 1:37pm: GordyL wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 1:29pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 11:17am: Quote: The implication which is projected by ISLAM, upon all non-moslems, is that..... "....[all] those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: [...and are ipso facto] the friends of Satan:..." Looks like you've forgotten all those Bible quotes that say the same, Y. Strange. You've been posting them for years. [quote]feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan Cunning, no? Karnal, putting aside the score of which book has more violence, Y never puts that aside, Gordy. It's the subject of his every post. Even suggesting this should be put inside can get you a charge of spineless apologism. And as we all know, the penalty for that is eternity in hell. I asked you :) Oh yes, so you did. We'll ignore Y then. He's the most literal follower here. Well, he doesn't practice any of it, he just says he does. Is that the sort of thing you mean? Getting an answer from you can be as hard as getting a bacon sandwich in in Bellevuejew   Hill.  ;) You won't want one of those, Gordy - not Kosher.

In the Pulp Fiction diner conversion scene, I'm Vincent Vega.
Did you not see my post from the weekend?
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1461482303
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I most certainly did not. You're breaking the dietary laws.

You're now ritually unclean.

Karnal wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 2:02pm:

GordyL wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 1:51pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 1:48pm: GordyL wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 1:45pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 1:42pm: GordyL wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 1:40pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 1:37pm: GordyL wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 1:29pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 11:17am: Quote: The implication which is projected by ISLAM, upon all non-moslems, is that..... "....[all] those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: [...and are ipso facto] the friends of Satan:..." Looks like you've forgotten all those Bible quotes that say the same, Y. Strange. You've been posting them for years. [quote]feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan Cunning, no? Karnal, putting aside the score of which book has more violence, Y never puts that aside, Gordy. It's the subject of his every post. Even suggesting this should be put inside can get you a charge of spineless apologism. And as we all know, the penalty for that is eternity in hell. I asked you :) Oh yes, so you did. We'll ignore Y then. He's the most literal follower here. Well, he doesn't practice any of it, he just says he does. Is that the sort of thing you mean? Getting an answer from you can be as hard as getting a bacon sandwich in in Bellevuejew   Hill.  ;) You won't want one of those, Gordy - not Kosher. In the Pulp Fiction diner conversion scene, I'm Vincent Vega. Did you not see my post from the weekend? http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1461482303

I most certainly did not. You're breaking the dietary laws.

You're now ritually unclean. [/quote]

Lucky I'm not a muslim, I'd get chucked off a building.

GordyL wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 2:04pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 2:02pm: GordyL wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 1:51pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 1:48pm: GordyL wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 1:45pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 1:42pm: GordyL wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 1:40pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 1:37pm: GordyL wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 1:29pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 11:17am: Quote: The implication which is projected by ISLAM, upon all non-moslems, is that..... "....[all] those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: [...and are ipso facto] the friends of Satan:..." Looks like you've forgotten all those Bible quotes that say the same, Y. Strange. You've been posting them for years. [quote]feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan Cunning, no? Karnal, putting aside the score of which book has more violence, Y never puts that aside, Gordy. It's the subject of his every post. Even suggesting this should be put inside can get you a charge of spineless apologism. And as we all know, the penalty for that is eternity in hell. I asked you :) Oh yes, so you did. We'll ignore Y then. He's the most literal follower here. Well, he doesn't practice any of it, he just says he does. Is that the sort of thing you mean? Getting an answer from you can be as hard as getting a bacon sandwich in in Bellevuejew   Hill.  ;) You won't want one of those, Gordy - not Kosher. In the Pulp Fiction diner conversion scene, I'm Vincent Vega. Did you not see my post from the weekend? http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1461482303 I most certainly did not. You're breaking the dietary laws. You're now ritually unclean.

Lucky I'm not a muslim, I'd get chucked off a building.[/quote]

Oh my bad, that's for being gay.

GordyL wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 2:06pm:

GordyL wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 2:04pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 2:02pm: GordyL wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 1:51pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 1:48pm: GordyL wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 1:45pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 1:42pm: GordyL wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 1:40pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 1:37pm: GordyL wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 1:29pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 11:17am: Quote: The implication which is projected by ISLAM, upon all non-moslems, is that..... "....[all] those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: [...and are ipso facto] the friends of Satan:..." Looks like you've forgotten all those Bible quotes that say the same, Y. Strange. You've been posting them for years. [quote]feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan Cunning, no? Karnal, putting aside the score of which book has more violence, Y never puts that aside, Gordy. It's the subject of his every post. Even suggesting this should be put inside can get you a charge of spineless apologism. And as we all know, the penalty for that is eternity in hell. I asked you :) Oh yes, so you did. We'll ignore Y then. He's the most literal follower here. Well, he doesn't practice any of it, he just says he does. Is that the sort of thing you mean? Getting an answer from you can be as hard as getting a bacon sandwich in in Bellevuejew   Hill.  ;) You won't want one of those, Gordy - not Kosher. In the Pulp Fiction diner conversion scene, I'm Vincent Vega. Did you not see my post from the weekend? http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1461482303 I most certainly did not. You're breaking the dietary laws. You're now ritually unclean. Lucky I'm not a muslim, I'd get chucked off a building.

Oh my bad, that's for being gay.[/quote]

Not that there's anything wrong with it, Gordy.

Karnal wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 2:17pm:

GordyL wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 2:06pm: GordyL wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 2:04pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 2:02pm: GordyL wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 1:51pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 1:48pm: GordyL wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 1:45pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 1:42pm: GordyL wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 1:40pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 1:37pm: GordyL wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 1:29pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 11:17am: Quote: The implication which is projected by ISLAM, upon all non-moslems, is that..... "....[all] those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: [...and are ipso facto] the friends of Satan:..." Looks like you've forgotten all those Bible quotes that say the same, Y. Strange. You've been posting them for years. [quote]feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan Cunning, no? Karnal, putting aside the score of which book has more violence, Y never puts that aside, Gordy. It's the subject of his every post. Even suggesting this should be put inside can get you a charge of spineless apologism. And as we all know, the penalty for that is eternity in hell. I asked you :) Oh yes, so you did. We'll ignore Y then. He's the most literal follower here. Well, he doesn't practice any of it, he just says he does. Is that the sort of thing you mean? Getting an answer from you can be as hard as getting a bacon sandwich in in Bellevuejew   Hill.  ;) You won't want one of those, Gordy - not Kosher. In the Pulp Fiction diner conversion scene, I'm Vincent Vega. Did you not see my post from the weekend? http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1461482303 I most certainly did not. You're breaking the dietary laws. You're now ritually unclean. Lucky I'm not a muslim, I'd get chucked off a building. Oh my bad, that's for being gay.

Not that there's anything wrong with it, Gordy.
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Unless....

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You have our full support, Gordy.

We don't lynch you anymore. We only do that if you're tinted.

Karnal wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 2:29pm:

You have our full support, Gordy. We don't lynch you anymore. We only do that if you're tinted.

Iran doesn't seem to care

GordyL wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 2:46pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 2:29pm: You have our full support, Gordy. We don't lynch you anymore. We only do that if you're tinted. Iran doesn't seem to care

You tell your wife you won't be bullied by her intolerance, Gordy. You're finally yourself, and there's nothing anyone can do about it.

That should work.

Karnal wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 3:32pm:

GordyL wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 2:46pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 2:29pm: You have our full support, Gordy. We don't lynch you anymore. We only do that if you're tinted. Iran doesn't seem to care You tell your wife you won't be bullied by her intolerance, Gordy. You're finally yourself, and there's nothing anyone can do about it. That should work.

Try and keep up, Karnal. I didn't end up marrying the Persian Princess.

GordyL wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 3:58pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 3:32pm: GordyL wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 2:46pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 2:29pm: You have our full support, Gordy. We don't lynch you anymore. We only do that if you're tinted. Iran doesn't seem to care You tell your wife you won't be bullied by her intolerance, Gordy. You're finally yourself, and there's nothing anyone can do about it. That should work. Try and keep up, Karnal. I didn't end up marrying the Persian Princess.

Oh, of course. You decided to be yourself.

Close call, Gordy.

Karnal wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 4:32pm:

GordyL wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 3:58pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 3:32pm: GordyL wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 2:46pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 2:29pm: You have our full support, Gordy. We don't lynch you anymore. We only do that if you're tinted. Iran doesn't seem to care You tell your wife you won't be bullied by her intolerance, Gordy. You're finally yourself, and there's nothing anyone can do about it. That should work. Try and keep up, Karnal. I didn't end up marrying the Persian Princess. Oh, of course. You decided to be yourself. Close call, Gordy.

Close how? She was hot, light skinned, atheist.
Just the way I like em.

Karnal wrote on Apr 24^th, 2016 at 3:07am:

Super Nova wrote on Apr 24th, 2016 at 2:57am: Great reply mothra. They are both ancient documents. Christians had a reformation. Islam have not. True, Super. And the purpose of that Reformation was to bring the church’s focus back to the teachings of the Bible.

No it wasn't.

Oh and what SN stated is 100% correct!

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 7:03pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 24th, 2016 at 3:07am: Super Nova wrote on Apr 24th, 2016 at 2:57am: Great reply mothra. They are both ancient documents. Christians had a reformation. Islam have not. True, Super. And the purpose of that Reformation was to bring the church’s focus back to the teachings of the Bible. No it wasn't.

Oh, I see.

Thanks for that, dear.

Try some study before posting on the subject then, Lisa is correct.

Ashley wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 8:16pm:

Try some study before posting on the subject then, Lisa is correct.

Right you are, Matty. That’s that then.

Do you think you are funny or something, you come across as an ignoramus.

Ashley wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 8:45pm:

Do you think you are funny or something, s.

Good heavens, no. I’m a devout student. I’ll have to go and do some more study.

Where do you suggest I start?

Karnal wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 8:49pm:

Ashley wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 8:45pm: Do you think you are funny or something, you come across as an ignoramus. Good heavens, no. I’m a devout student. I’ll have to go and do some more study. Where do you suggest I start?

Pre-School

Ashley wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 8:50pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 8:49pm: Ashley wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 8:45pm: Do you think you are funny or something, you come across as an ignoramus. Good heavens, no. I’m a devout student. I’ll have to go and do some more study. Where do you suggest I start? Pre-School

Do they cover Martin Luther, the politics of the Holy Roman Empire and the reasons for the Reformation?

Looks like I’m in for quite a journey, Matty.

Karnal wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 8:58pm:

Ashley wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 8:50pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 8:49pm: Ashley wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 8:45pm: Do you think you are funny or something, you come across as an ignoramus. Good heavens, no. I’m a devout student. I’ll have to go and do some more study. Where do you suggest I start? Pre-School Do they cover Martin Luther, the politics of the Holy Roman Empire and the reasons for the Reformation? Looks like I’m in for quite a journey, Matty.

Karnal, you do NOT understand The Reformation.

You just think you do.

And that's sad.

Indeed a very long journey it seems. Happy trolling.

Hehehe, fans of invisible friends and cultists quoting each other's nursery tales attempting to score points because the other persons nursery tales are worse. 

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 9:03pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 8:58pm: Ashley wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 8:50pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 8:49pm: Ashley wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 8:45pm: Do you think you are funny or something, you come across as an ignoramus. Good heavens, no. I’m a devout student. I’ll have to go and do some more study. Where do you suggest I start? Pre-School Do they cover Martin Luther, the politics of the Holy Roman Empire and the reasons for the Reformation? Looks like I’m in for quite a journey, Matty. Karnal, you do NOT understand The Reformation. You just think you do. And that's sad.

Good point, dear Touche.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but you’re a Greek, no? If I may ask, what religion did you grow up in?

Secret Wars wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 9:12pm:

Hehehe, fans of invisible friends and cultists quoting each other's nursery tales attempting to score points because the other persons nursery tales are worse.

Now now, let’s respect the beliefs of our Eastern Orthodox brothers and sisters, okay? We’re all friends here. We all studied comparative religion - in pre-school.

Secret Wars wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 9:12pm:

Hehehe, fans of invisible friends and cultists quoting each other's nursery tales attempting to score points because the other persons nursery tales are worse.

Yet here you are telling us how you know a God does not exist. That's as good as having your own fairies down the back of the garden. You wouldn't know either way.

Now that certainly is a Hehe.

Karnal wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 9:17pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 9:03pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 8:58pm: Ashley wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 8:50pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 8:49pm: Ashley wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 8:45pm: Do you think you are funny or something, you come across as an ignoramus. Good heavens, no. I’m a devout student. I’ll have to go and do some more study. Where do you suggest I start? Pre-School Do they cover Martin Luther, the politics of the Holy Roman Empire and the reasons for the Reformation? Looks like I’m in for quite a journey, Matty. Karnal, you do NOT understand The Reformation. You just think you do. And that's sad. Good point, dear Touche. Correct me if I’m wrong, but you’re a Greek, no? If I may ask, what religion did you grow up in?

Actually, I'm an Aussie girl of Greek and Italian heritage.

I grew up as Orthodox and Catholic.

I became a Christian and converted to Protestantism in my early teens.

All my family are Protestants.

Karnal wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 9:20pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 9:12pm: Hehehe, fans of invisible friends and cultists quoting each other's nursery tales attempting to score points because the other persons nursery tales are worse.  Now now, let’s respect the beliefs of our Eastern Orthodox brothers and sisters, okay? We’re all friends here. We all studied comparative religion - in pre-school.

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Karnal wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 9:20pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 9:12pm: Hehehe, fans of invisible friends and cultists quoting each other's nursery tales attempting to score points because the other persons nursery tales are worse.  Now now, let’s respect the beliefs of our Eastern Orthodox brothers and sisters, okay? We’re all friends here. We all studied comparative religion - in pre-school.

Who are "our Eastern Orthodox brothers and sisters"?

Are any of them posting in here?

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 9:30pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 9:20pm: Secret Wars wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 9:12pm: Hehehe, fans of invisible friends and cultists quoting each other's nursery tales attempting to score points because the other persons nursery tales are worse.  Now now, let’s respect the beliefs of our Eastern Orthodox brothers and sisters, okay? We’re all friends here. We all studied comparative religion - in pre-school. Who are "our Eastern Orthodox brothers and sisters"? Are any of them posting in here?

I think you will find it was just another attempt at humor to avoid debate.

Ashley wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 9:32pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 9:30pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 9:20pm: Secret Wars wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 9:12pm: Hehehe, fans of invisible friends and cultists quoting each other's nursery tales attempting to score points because the other persons nursery tales are worse.  Now now, let’s respect the beliefs of our Eastern Orthodox brothers and sisters, okay? We’re all friends here. We all studied comparative religion - in pre-school. Who are "our Eastern Orthodox brothers and sisters"? Are any of them posting in here? I think you will find it was just another attempt at humor to avoid debate.

Oh.

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 9:27pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 9:17pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 9:03pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 8:58pm: Ashley wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 8:50pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 8:49pm: Ashley wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 8:45pm: Do you think you are funny or something, you come across as an ignoramus. Good heavens, no. I’m a devout student. I’ll have to go and do some more study. Where do you suggest I start? Pre-School Do they cover Martin Luther, the politics of the Holy Roman Empire and the reasons for the Reformation? Looks like I’m in for quite a journey, Matty. Karnal, you do NOT understand The Reformation. You just think you do. And that's sad. Good point, dear Touche. Correct me if I’m wrong, but you’re a Greek, no? If I may ask, what religion did you grow up in? Actually, I'm an Aussie girl of Greek and Italian heritage. I grew up as Orthodox and Catholic. I became a Christian and converted to Protestantism in my early teens. All my family are Protestants.

That explains it then, dear. You MUST understand th e Reformation.

Your family are Protestants.

Now here’s your chance to explain it.

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 9:37pm:

Ashley wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 9:32pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 9:30pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 9:20pm: Secret Wars wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 9:12pm: Hehehe, fans of invisible friends and cultists quoting each other's nursery tales attempting to score points because the other persons nursery tales are worse.  Now now, let’s respect the beliefs of our Eastern Orthodox brothers and sisters, okay? We’re all friends here. We all studied comparative religion - in pre-school. Who are "our Eastern Orthodox brothers and sisters"? Are any of them posting in here? I think you will find it was just another attempt at humor to avoid debate. Oh.

Yeah well most of the posts are the same ::)