Unions Tasmania thanks Easter holiday workers in penalty rate campaign   :)


Updated about 11 hours ago
ABC News

Unions Tasmania members dressed as Easter bunnies have rallied in the state's north-west against any cuts to penalty rates.   [smiley=thumbsup.gif]   
Key points:

    Unions Tasmania enlists Easter bunnies in continuing penalty rates campaign
    Spokesman says Easter workers deserve thanks
    The Hospitality Association wants penalty rates changed

About a dozen union members handed out cards in Devonport thanking those who worked on the Easter Monday public holiday.

The group was campaigning against changes to penalty rates that the Productivity Commission recommended last year.

Some business groups have argued a reduction in penalty rates would encourage more businesses to open on public holidays and weekends.

But union spokesman Jake Denny said he believed it would have an unfair impact on workers.  

"They're working today, they could be out camping with their family, out holidaying, but nope, they're at work," he said.

"We're here to protect their penalty rates, which are compensating them for that lost time with family, kids, mates.

"Some people are lucky enough to work a nine to five job, so they get to go home, see their kids at night, but other people, they're working all through the night.

"I think it's very unfair on those people that are trying to work at this time of the year that they shouldn't be compensated for it."

Mr Denny called on the Federal Government to not consider penalty rate reductions. 

But the Federal Government called the campaign misguided, and said there were no plans to change penalty rates.

Deputy Premier Jeremy Rockliff said the Tasmanian Government was not advocating for any change at a state level because it was a federal matter.
Reduced penalty rates 'could allow more businesses to open'

The Hospitality Association's Steve Old said the Productivity Commission's recommendation of reducing Sunday penalty rates to match the Saturday rate was the right move.

He believed it would allow more businesses to open around Tasmania.

"There's nothing worse than going around a city centre, even Devonport, Burnie, Launceston, you go through these places and there's hardly a venue to be open," he said.

"Which means there's a lot of people disappointed, there's also no one getting employment so I would have thought the union would want to work with the industry to see people employed."

Mr Old said some businesses that opened over the Easter long weekend could have avoided paying penalty rates.

"A lot of them are employing family and other people, that means that don't have to get on the penalty rates scale, so there's a lot of ways people that work around it," he said.

A solution appears on the horizon, with the Fair Work Commission set to hand down its decision on hospitality and retail penalty rates around the middle of the year.

Outside the market (corrupt) compulsory penalty rates are a cause of unemployment.

TAS has too much unemployment due to Leftist destruction of its more profitable industries already

Swagman wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 7:23am:

Outside the market (corrupt) compulsory penalty rates are a cause of unemployment.

Incorrect.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 7:24am:

Swagman wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 7:23am: Outside the market (corrupt) compulsory penalty rates are a cause of unemployment. Incorrect.

Incorrect

Swagman wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 7:25am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 7:24am: Swagman wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 7:23am: Outside the market (corrupt) compulsory penalty rates are a cause of unemployment. Incorrect. Incorrect?

That's correct: you are incorrect.

Swagman wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 7:23am:

Outside the market (corrupt) compulsory penalty rates are a cause of unemployment. TAS has too much unemployment due to Leftist destruction of its more profitable industries already

Since penalty rates from part of the market it is not outside the market.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 8:46am:

Swagman wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 7:25am: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 7:24am: Swagman wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 7:23am: Outside the market (corrupt) compulsory penalty rates are a cause of unemployment. Incorrect. Incorrect? That's correct: you are incorrect.

That's incorrect as well

Swagman wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 7:23am:

Outside the market (corrupt) compulsory penalty rates are a cause of unemployment.

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stunspore wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 8:55am:

Swagman wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 7:23am: Outside the market (corrupt) compulsory penalty rates are a cause of unemployment. TAS has too much unemployment due to Leftist destruction of its more profitable industries already Since penalty rates from part of the market it is not outside the market.

Any product that has its price set artificially is outside the market Stunpy....

Your argument should really be about whether, that, is a good or a bad thing. 

Swagman wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 9:27am:

stunspore wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 8:55am: Swagman wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 7:23am: Outside the market (corrupt) compulsory penalty rates are a cause of unemployment. TAS has too much unemployment due to Leftist destruction of its more profitable industries already Since penalty rates from part of the market it is not outside the market. Any product that has its price set artificially is outside the market Stunpy.... Your argument should really be about whether, that, is a good or a bad thing.

So our gas, electricity, and petrol prices are outside the market?  I always knew that.....

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 9:54am:

Swagman wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 9:27am: stunspore wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 8:55am: Swagman wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 7:23am: Outside the market (corrupt) compulsory penalty rates are a cause of unemployment. TAS has too much unemployment due to Leftist destruction of its more profitable industries already Since penalty rates from part of the market it is not outside the market. Any product that has its price set artificially is outside the market Stunpy.... Your argument should really be about whether, that, is a good or a bad thing.  So our gas, electricity, and petrol prices are outside the market?  I always knew that.....

I believe those particular items have market competition.  Penalty rates do not.

So this is not a Penalty Rates Campaign - it's a campaign against CUTTING existing rates.....

Maybe the workers should move to a campaign for double time every hour of every day and then negotiate on a log of claims....... come to some middle ground...... after all, that's what those pushing for chops of penalty rates are doing.. go for the jugular and see if they'll negotiate a lesser loss.....

Just 'cause it's a banana, doesn't mean it's yellow...

Swagman wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 10:16am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 9:54am: Swagman wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 9:27am: stunspore wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 8:55am: Swagman wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 7:23am: Outside the market (corrupt) compulsory penalty rates are a cause of unemployment. TAS has too much unemployment due to Leftist destruction of its more profitable industries already Since penalty rates from part of the market it is not outside the market. Any product that has its price set artificially is outside the market Stunpy.... Your argument should really be about whether, that, is a good or a bad thing.  So our gas, electricity, and petrol prices are outside the market?  I always knew that..... I believe those particular items have market competition.  Penalty rates do not.

Cartel prices, controlled by government setting the yardsticks?  Hardly market are they?

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 11:25am:

So this is not a Penalty Rates Campaign - it's a campaign against CUTTING existing rates..... Maybe the workers should move to a campaign for double time every hour of every day and then negotiate on a log of claims....... come to some middle ground...... after all, that's what those pushing for chops of penalty rates are doing.. go for the jugular and see if they'll negotiate a lesser loss..... Just 'cause it's a banana, doesn't mean it's yellow...

Penalty rates arent going anywhere , any government that wants to try it on again would spend 10 terms in opposition.

A business owner has money in the bank.

He can use this money to buy things which he needs.

He might need a motor vehicle.

he goes and negotiates the best price he can with the local auto yard.
if its a "valuable" vehicle, he pays more.

he might need computers and phones.
These, he also buys according to market conditions in what he and the seller agree is a fair price.

None of this needs to involve government.
Its is buyers and sellers.
If he doesnt offer enough money, the seller is under no obligation to sell.

The employee is a seller of labor.

If he is very valuable, like a BMW, he will fetch a fine price.
If he has failed to make himself valuable, if he blows smoke, has a dodgy clutch and bald tyres, he will fetch a lesser price.

Either way, it is the a trade of money for labor. it is something that has been going on since time began.
Both sides need to agree on a price for this exchange and the government does not need to be involved.

The dodgy car with the bad paint and rust cant really appeal to the government. what the dodgy car should do to fetch a good price is to look after its tryes, work hard on improving its performance, wash itself regularly to prevent rust , always be relaible, never complain when asked to tow a heavy load. In this way the purchaser will say...this car is valuable. i will retain it and i wont be replacing it as it serves my purpose well

aquascoot wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 11:57am:

A business owner has money in the bank. He can use this money to buy things which he needs. He might need a motor vehicle. he goes and negotiates the best price he can with the local auto yard. if its a "valuable" vehicle, he pays more. he might need computers and phones. These, he also buys according to market conditions in what he and the seller agree is a fair price. None of this needs to involve government. Its is buyers and sellers. If he doesnt offer enough money, the seller is under no obligation to sell. The employee is a seller of labor. If he is very valuable, like a BMW, he will fetch a fine price. If he has failed to make himself valuable, if he blows smoke, has a dodgy clutch and bald tyres, he will fetch a lesser price. Either way, it is the a trade of money for labor. it is something that has been going on since time began. Both sides need to agree on a price for this exchange and the government does not need to be involved. The dodgy car with the bad paint and rust cant really appeal to the government. what the dodgy car should do to fetch a good price is to look after its tryes, work hard on improving its performance, wash itself regularly to prevent rust , always be relaible, never complain when asked to tow a heavy load. In this way the purchaser will say...this car is valuable. i will retain it and i wont be replacing it as it serves my purpose well

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greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 12:03pm:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 11:57am: A business owner has money in the bank. He can use this money to buy things which he needs. He might need a motor vehicle. he goes and negotiates the best price he can with the local auto yard. if its a "valuable" vehicle, he pays more. he might need computers and phones. These, he also buys according to market conditions in what he and the seller agree is a fair price. None of this needs to involve government. Its is buyers and sellers. If he doesnt offer enough money, the seller is under no obligation to sell. The employee is a seller of labor. If he is very valuable, like a BMW, he will fetch a fine price. If he has failed to make himself valuable, if he blows smoke, has a dodgy clutch and bald tyres, he will fetch a lesser price. Either way, it is the a trade of money for labor. it is something that has been going on since time began. Both sides need to agree on a price for this exchange and the government does not need to be involved. The dodgy car with the bad paint and rust cant really appeal to the government. what the dodgy car should do to fetch a good price is to look after its tryes, work hard on improving its performance, wash itself regularly to prevent rust , always be relaible, never complain when asked to tow a heavy load. In this way the purchaser will say...this car is valuable. i will retain it and i wont be replacing it as it serves my purpose well http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-zWVH8IHEESs/VjH8Qzb7mkI/AAAAAAAAN1A/6CwNO8b0L_U/s1600/facepalm%2B1.gif

;D yep

Gov provides the currency for exchange.  It provides legally enforced rules for all entities.  It provides a stable climate and infrastructure for transactions.  Another failed thought bubble.  As expected.

aquascoot wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 11:57am:

A business owner has money in the bank. He can use this money to buy things which he needs. He might need a motor vehicle. he goes and negotiates the best price he can with the local auto yard. if its a "valuable" vehicle, he pays more. he might need computers and phones. These, he also buys according to market conditions in what he and the seller agree is a fair price. None of this needs to involve government. Its is buyers and sellers. If he doesnt offer enough money, the seller is under no obligation to sell. The employee is a seller of labor. If he is very valuable, like a BMW, he will fetch a fine price. If he has failed to make himself valuable, if he blows smoke, has a dodgy clutch and bald tyres, he will fetch a lesser price. Either way, it is the a trade of money for labor. it is something that has been going on since time began. Both sides need to agree on a price for this exchange and the government does not need to be involved. The dodgy car with the bad paint and rust cant really appeal to the government. what the dodgy car should do to fetch a good price is to look after its tryes, work hard on improving its performance, wash itself regularly to prevent rust , always be relaible, never complain when asked to tow a heavy load. In this way the purchaser will say...this car is valuable. i will retain it and i wont be replacing it as it serves my purpose well

It doesn't matter if he's a BMW or whatever - unless there are minimum wage values he will be paid a tiny amount if left in the hands entirely of the business owner.

Sell a bad car to anyone and the government can and will jump all over you.

You need to get into town a bit more often..... this isolated life on the horse farm is not doing you a lot of good.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 2:42pm:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 11:57am: A business owner has money in the bank. He can use this money to buy things which he needs. He might need a motor vehicle. he goes and negotiates the best price he can with the local auto yard. if its a "valuable" vehicle, he pays more. he might need computers and phones. These, he also buys according to market conditions in what he and the seller agree is a fair price. None of this needs to involve government. Its is buyers and sellers. If he doesnt offer enough money, the seller is under no obligation to sell. The employee is a seller of labor. If he is very valuable, like a BMW, he will fetch a fine price. If he has failed to make himself valuable, if he blows smoke, has a dodgy clutch and bald tyres, he will fetch a lesser price. Either way, it is the a trade of money for labor. it is something that has been going on since time began. Both sides need to agree on a price for this exchange and the government does not need to be involved. The dodgy car with the bad paint and rust cant really appeal to the government. what the dodgy car should do to fetch a good price is to look after its tryes, work hard on improving its performance, wash itself regularly to prevent rust , always be relaible, never complain when asked to tow a heavy load. In this way the purchaser will say...this car is valuable. i will retain it and i wont be replacing it as it serves my purpose well It doesn't matter if he's a BMW or whatever - unless there are minimum wage values he will be paid a tiny amount if left in the hands entirely of the business owner. Sell a bad car to anyone and the government can and will jump all over you. You need to get into town a bit more often..... this isolated life on the horse farm is not doing you a lot of good.

No Grapples, you have it "cart before the horse"
The seller of the bad car is the employee who has not "upgraded himself" by reading, doing study, acquiring new skills.
The "bad car" is not valuable as the "bad employee" is not valuable.

If you are a "bad car"...negative attitude, dont have drive, poor emotional control, poor work ethic, then you arent very valuable and as you rightly point out , when you try to sell yourself to an employer , if you are a dud, the government should indeed "jump all over you"


In fact, i would be willing to support government legislation where workers who are duds and not very valuable could face fines or even imprisonment for false representation.
When an employer spends his money, he is entitled to consumer protection to ensure he gets what he paid for  ;)

aquascoot wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 3:13pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 2:42pm: aquascoot wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 11:57am: A business owner has money in the bank. He can use this money to buy things which he needs. He might need a motor vehicle. he goes and negotiates the best price he can with the local auto yard. if its a "valuable" vehicle, he pays more. he might need computers and phones. These, he also buys according to market conditions in what he and the seller agree is a fair price. None of this needs to involve government. Its is buyers and sellers. If he doesnt offer enough money, the seller is under no obligation to sell. The employee is a seller of labor. If he is very valuable, like a BMW, he will fetch a fine price. If he has failed to make himself valuable, if he blows smoke, has a dodgy clutch and bald tyres, he will fetch a lesser price. Either way, it is the a trade of money for labor. it is something that has been going on since time began. Both sides need to agree on a price for this exchange and the government does not need to be involved. The dodgy car with the bad paint and rust cant really appeal to the government. what the dodgy car should do to fetch a good price is to look after its tryes, work hard on improving its performance, wash itself regularly to prevent rust , always be relaible, never complain when asked to tow a heavy load. In this way the purchaser will say...this car is valuable. i will retain it and i wont be replacing it as it serves my purpose well It doesn't matter if he's a BMW or whatever - unless there are minimum wage values he will be paid a tiny amount if left in the hands entirely of the business owner. Sell a bad car to anyone and the government can and will jump all over you. You need to get into town a bit more often..... this isolated life on the horse farm is not doing you a lot of good. No Grapples, you have it "cart before the horse" The seller of the bad car is the employee who has not "upgraded himself" by reading, doing study, acquiring new skills. The "bad car" is not valuable as the "bad employee" is not valuable. If you are a "bad car"...negative attitude, dont have drive, poor emotional control, poor work ethic, then you arent very valuable and as you rightly point out , when you try to sell yourself to an employer , if you are a dud, the government should indeed "jump all over you" In fact, i would be willing to support government legislation where workers who are duds and not very valuable could face fines or even imprisonment for false representation. When an employer spends his money, he is entitled to consumer protection to ensure he gets what he paid for  ;)

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you would not be a very valuable employee gwegarry.
i think that as Grappler said, if you sold yourself to an employer, he has really purchased a dud and he should have consumer protection laws , so you can be removed from his premises and you can be  made to pay compensation for failing to meet basic standards of , at the very least, "common sense" :)

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gweg.
you are a really problem horse and i'm beginning to doubt if you are trainable.
you are what we call in the business a "project" horse.
Now your first training session is to read this .
Its a bit girly, so you should find it suitable.
More lessons to follow

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aquascoot wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 4:10pm:

gweg.

aqua


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Swagman wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 7:23am:

Outside the market (corrupt) compulsory penalty rates are a cause of unemployment. TAS has too much unemployment due to Leftist destruction of its more profitable industries already

even the experts don't make that claim ...  ;D ;D ;D

Swagman wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 9:27am:

stunspore wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 8:55am: Swagman wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 7:23am: Outside the market (corrupt) compulsory penalty rates are a cause of unemployment. TAS has too much unemployment due to Leftist destruction of its more profitable industries already Since penalty rates from part of the market it is not outside the market. Any product that has its price set artificially is outside the market Stunpy.... Your argument should really be about whether, that, is a good or a bad thing.

but it's not set ... you can always pay more if you like

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 11:25am:

So this is not a Penalty Rates Campaign - it's a campaign against CUTTING existing rates..... Maybe the workers should move to a campaign for double time every hour of every day and then negotiate on a log of claims....... come to some middle ground...... after all, that's what those pushing for chops of penalty rates are doing.. go for the jugular and see if they'll negotiate a lesser loss..... Just 'cause it's a banana, doesn't mean it's yellow...

I think it was in SA .. but the story I heard was that a few years ago employers decided that rather than pay penalty rates, they would pay a higher hourly rate across the whole week and the rate then remained the same regardless of day or time (all legal, provided their is no overall loss to employees)  .... a few months later the EMPLOYERS cried it didn't achieved their desired goal and went back to penalty rates :D :D

aquascoot wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 4:10pm:

gweg. you are a really problem horse and i'm beginning to doubt if you are trainable. you are what we call in the business a "project" horse. Now your first training session is to read this . Its a bit girly, so you should find it suitable. More lessons to follow

:-X zip it rtard

Its time wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 5:13pm:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 4:10pm: gweg. you are a really problem horse and i'm beginning to doubt if you are trainable. you are what we call in the business a "project" horse. Now your first training session is to read this . Its a bit girly, so you should find it suitable. More lessons to follow :-X zip it rtard

i can probably train you as well leftwinger.
very bad problem horses have to be started very slowly.
i usually find about 15 minutes of training a day is all they can cope with.
I cant train you both at the same time though.
2 problem horses together in a round yard will feed off each others misplaced energy. (this forum has the same problem).
So maybe gweg in the morning and you in the afternoon .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZ1Ln9AS2IM

Its time wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 5:13pm:

Lips Sealed zip it rtard

what he said!

John Smith wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 5:09pm:

Swagman wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 9:27am: stunspore wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 8:55am: Swagman wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 7:23am: Outside the market (corrupt) compulsory penalty rates are a cause of unemployment. TAS has too much unemployment due to Leftist destruction of its more profitable industries already Since penalty rates from part of the market it is not outside the market. Any product that has its price set artificially is outside the market Stunpy.... Your argument should really be about whether, that, is a good or a bad thing.  but it's not set ... you can always pay more if you like

Exactly.

Another fact the Libtards don't understand.

If you think a worker deserves more, then pay them as much as you like.

There's no law that prevents good employees from being paid more than other employees doing the exact same job.

John Smith wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 5:12pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 11:25am: So this is not a Penalty Rates Campaign - it's a campaign against CUTTING existing rates..... Maybe the workers should move to a campaign for double time every hour of every day and then negotiate on a log of claims....... come to some middle ground...... after all, that's what those pushing for chops of penalty rates are doing.. go for the jugular and see if they'll negotiate a lesser loss..... Just 'cause it's a banana, doesn't mean it's yellow... I think it was in SA .. but the story I heard was that a few years ago employers decided that rather than pay penalty rates, they would pay a higher hourly rate across the whole week and the rate then remained the same regardless of day or time (all legal, provided their is no overall loss to employees)  .... a few months later the EMPLOYERS cried it didn't achieved their desired goal and went back to penalty rates :D :D

Yes - no doubt they found that more work was done on ordinary days anyway and could be fitted in, so they were actually losing by signing up to WorkChoices....  I've long advocated a return to full Award conditions, which gives a guarantee to all sides of the question.  A manager/owner can decide not to work Sundays if it costs too much.... as an example.

aquascoot wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 11:57am:

A business owner has money in the bank. He can use this money to buy things which he needs. He might need a motor vehicle. he goes and negotiates the best price he can with the local auto yard. if its a "valuable" vehicle, he pays more. he might need computers and phones. These, he also buys according to market conditions in what he and the seller agree is a fair price. None of this needs to involve government. Its is buyers and sellers. If he doesnt offer enough money, the seller is under no obligation to sell. The employee is a seller of labor. If he is very valuable, like a BMW, he will fetch a fine price. If he has failed to make himself valuable, if he blows smoke, has a dodgy clutch and bald tyres, he will fetch a lesser price. Either way, it is the a trade of money for labor. it is something that has been going on since time began. Both sides need to agree on a price for this exchange and the government does not need to be involved. The dodgy car with the bad paint and rust cant really appeal to the government. what the dodgy car should do to fetch a good price is to look after its tryes, work hard on improving its performance, wash itself regularly to prevent rust , always be relaible, never complain when asked to tow a heavy load. In this way the purchaser will say...this car is valuable. i will retain it and i wont be replacing it as it serves my purpose well

I knew it would happen sooner or later

aquascoot has left the 1800s behind. He has gone from horses to cars.

What type of car are you driving  aquascoot a T Model Ford? But make sure it is a black one won't you.

The lib supporters need to get out of ivory towers (or not so politely, out of someone's behind) and get into the real world.

Labor voter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2016 at 7:38am:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 11:57am: A business owner has money in the bank. He can use this money to buy things which he needs. He might need a motor vehicle. he goes and negotiates the best price he can with the local auto yard. if its a "valuable" vehicle, he pays more. he might need computers and phones. These, he also buys according to market conditions in what he and the seller agree is a fair price. None of this needs to involve government. Its is buyers and sellers. If he doesnt offer enough money, the seller is under no obligation to sell. The employee is a seller of labor. If he is very valuable, like a BMW, he will fetch a fine price. If he has failed to make himself valuable, if he blows smoke, has a dodgy clutch and bald tyres, he will fetch a lesser price. Either way, it is the a trade of money for labor. it is something that has been going on since time began. Both sides need to agree on a price for this exchange and the government does not need to be involved. The dodgy car with the bad paint and rust cant really appeal to the government. what the dodgy car should do to fetch a good price is to look after its tryes, work hard on improving its performance, wash itself regularly to prevent rust , always be relaible, never complain when asked to tow a heavy load. In this way the purchaser will say...this car is valuable. i will retain it and i wont be replacing it as it serves my purpose well I knew it would happen sooner or later aquascoot has left the 1800s behind. He has gone from horses to cars. What type of car are you driving  aquascoot a T Model Ford? But make sure it is a black one won't you.

certain principles stand the test of time .
the principle that someone pays someone else to perform work at a price they both agree on......this would have been one of the first principles of modern commerce.  why would we change that??
why would government need to interefere with that??

They wonder why people join unions.  Go figure.   :D

wrote on Mar 30^th, 2016 at 10:02am:

They wonder why people join unions.  Go figure.   :D

people join unions to try and get more money by DEMANDING more money.

the other way to get more money is to become more valuable and climb the economic ladder.

I'm telling you, its quicker to climb  ;)

aquascoot wrote on Mar 30^th, 2016 at 10:22am:

wrote on Mar 30th, 2016 at 10:02am: They wonder why people join unions.  Go figure.   :D people join unions to try and get more money by DEMANDING more money. the other way to get more money is to become more valuable and climb the economic ladder. I'm telling you, its quicker to climb  ;)

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aquascoot wrote on Mar 30^th, 2016 at 10:22am:

wrote on Mar 30th, 2016 at 10:02am: They wonder why people join unions.  Go figure.   :D people join unions to try and get more money by DEMANDING more money. the other way to get more money is to become more valuable and climb the economic ladder. I'm telling you, its quicker to climb  ;)

More nonsense.  No need to explain.  This post ofc is for the non-aqua's who are rational and not filled with lib propaganda.

stunspore wrote on Mar 30^th, 2016 at 1:14pm:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 30th, 2016 at 10:22am: wrote on Mar 30th, 2016 at 10:02am: They wonder why people join unions.  Go figure.   :D people join unions to try and get more money by DEMANDING more money. the other way to get more money is to become more valuable and climb the economic ladder. I'm telling you, its quicker to climb  ;) More nonsense.  No need to explain.  This post ofc is for the non-aqua's who are rational and not filled with lib propaganda.

If we dig a little deeper , what is going on here can be simply explained by "ego-defense" as most things can be.

If you arent doing well in life, if you arent going up in life, you have 2 choices.

1  blame the greedy bosses, the capitalists, the gubment, the 'system"

or

2  admit you are messing up, admit you havent been working to increase your skills, admit that others are getting ahead because they work harder then you, are basicly "better' then you.


choice one allows you to preserve your ego intact and also remain in your comfort zone (lazy and safe).

choice two results in a hit to your ego, feeling bad about yourself and then having to push outside your comfort zone and work much harder.

It is hardly surprising that most people are heavily focused on choice 1.  its low consciousness thinking which is always the easy route, the wrong route, the route to nowhere .  It will all change for people when they can honestly reflect on their choices and not enter the low conscious ego preservation reactive state.

Joining a union is a consolation prize for mediocre beta-males

wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 6:19am:

Unions Tasmania thanks Easter holiday workers in penalty rate campaign   :) But the Federal Government called the campaign misguided, and said there were no plans to change penalty rates.

Whoever from the federal government said that probably sleeps in a bed like this.

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Swagman wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 9:27am:

stunspore wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 8:55am: Swagman wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 7:23am: Outside the market (corrupt) compulsory penalty rates are a cause of unemployment. TAS has too much unemployment due to Leftist destruction of its more profitable industries already Since penalty rates from part of the market it is not outside the market. Any product that has its price set artificially is outside the market Stunpy.... Your argument should really be about whether, that, is a good or a bad thing.

That would mean that there is no market as it sets no price at all.

aquascoot wrote on Mar 30^th, 2016 at 1:25pm:

stunspore wrote on Mar 30th, 2016 at 1:14pm: aquascoot wrote on Mar 30th, 2016 at 10:22am: wrote on Mar 30th, 2016 at 10:02am: They wonder why people join unions.  Go figure.   :D people join unions to try and get more money by DEMANDING more money. the other way to get more money is to become more valuable and climb the economic ladder. I'm telling you, its quicker to climb  ;) More nonsense.  No need to explain.  This post ofc is for the non-aqua's who are rational and not filled with lib propaganda. If we dig a little deeper , what is going on here can be simply explained by "ego-defense" as most things can be. If you arent doing well in life, if you arent going up in life, you have 2 choices. 1  blame the greedy bosses, the capitalists, the gubment, the 'system" or 2  admit you are messing up, admit you havent been working to increase your skills, admit that others are getting ahead because they work harder then you, are basicly "better' then you. choice one allows you to preserve your ego intact and also remain in your comfort zone (lazy and safe). choice two results in a hit to your ego, feeling bad about yourself and then having to push outside your comfort zone and work much harder. It is hardly surprising that most people are heavily focused on choice 1.  its low consciousness thinking which is always the easy route, the wrong route, the route to nowhere .  It will all change for people when they can honestly reflect on their choices and not enter the low conscious ego preservation reactive state. Joining a union is a consolation prize for mediocre beta-males

Nonsense.