I have to confess I've not been paying a lot of attention to Australian politics but out of the corner of my eye I've been seeing references to a 3 month election campaign.
Is this really true? Is an election decided definitely and is it going to be a DD?
Or is it all contingent still?

It will be unless the Senate passes the ABCC legislation in April and the belligerent Senators Muir, Lambie, etc have said they won't vote for it despite the government having a mandate to establish the ABCC from the previous election.

"Parliament will sit for three weeks from April 18. It will consider the Australian Building and Construction Commission and Registered Organisations bills, both of which have already been rejected by the Senate.

"Turnbull said if the Senate does not pass the two bills he will advise the Governor-General to call a double dissolution election on July 2. He said there will be no double dissolution if the bills are passed."

http://australianpolitics.com/2016/03/21/turnbull-recalls-parliament-threatens-threatens-double-dissolution.html

They're pretty much in election campaign mode now (just in case the DD goes ahead).

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 24^th, 2016 at 12:10pm:

It will be unless the Senate passes the ABCC legislation in April and the belligerent Senators Muir, Lambie, etc have said they won't vote for it despite the government having a mandate to establish the ABCC from the previous election.

Show us this 'mandate'... if such a thing existed (and it does not with any government, since they are subject to the will of the people and are not simply unconstrained despots)... why then was there this farce of a Royal Commission to try to build up some groundswell of demand for an imposed tyranny over Unions and especially the building industry?

Could this have anything to do with the funding from the Flying Grollo Brothers and so forth that the Libs receive?  Could this simply have a part in the endless hatred of the 'right' here for those 'leftie' Unions and as such be part of a 'class warfare'?

Even if the government feels it has some mythical mandate... it is the right and duty of the Senate  and of individual Senators to say NO.

Could be worse Bogie, thank god we dont live in USA  ::)

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 24^th, 2016 at 12:10pm:

It will be unless the Senate passes the ABCC legislation in April and the belligerent Senators Muir, Lambie, etc have said they won't vote for it despite the government having a mandate to establish the ABCC from the previous election.

http://i1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee445/tariksimsek1/you-mad-bro.jpg

Going to be 3 months of hell watching victory slip away for the rightards  :'(

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 24^th, 2016 at 12:28pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 24th, 2016 at 12:10pm: It will be unless the Senate passes the ABCC legislation in April and the belligerent Senators Muir, Lambie, etc have said they won't vote for it despite the government having a mandate to establish the ABCC from the previous election. http://i1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee445/tariksimsek1/you-mad-bro.jpg

Abbott campaigned on it. And don't call me bro.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 24^th, 2016 at 12:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 24th, 2016 at 12:28pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 24th, 2016 at 12:10pm: It will be unless the Senate passes the ABCC legislation in April and the belligerent Senators Muir, Lambie, etc have said they won't vote for it despite the government having a mandate to establish the ABCC from the previous election. http://i1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee445/tariksimsek1/you-mad-bro.jpg Abbott campaigned on it. And don't call me bro.

Worked out who the PM was in may 2013 yet bro ?

Its time wrote on Mar 24^th, 2016 at 12:35pm:

Going to be 3 months of hell joy watching victory slip away for the rightards leftards  :)

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 24^th, 2016 at 12:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 24th, 2016 at 12:28pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 24th, 2016 at 12:10pm: It will be unless the Senate passes the ABCC legislation in April and the belligerent Senators Muir, Lambie, etc have said they won't vote for it despite the government having a mandate to establish the ABCC from the previous election. http://i1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee445/tariksimsek1/you-mad-bro.jpg Abbott campaigned on it. And don't call me bro.

He didn't have a mandate, bro.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 24^th, 2016 at 12:52pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 24th, 2016 at 12:43pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 24th, 2016 at 12:28pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 24th, 2016 at 12:10pm: It will be unless the Senate passes the ABCC legislation in April and the belligerent Senators Muir, Lambie, etc have said they won't vote for it despite the government having a mandate to establish the ABCC from the previous election. http://i1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee445/tariksimsek1/you-mad-bro.jpg Abbott campaigned on it. And don't call me bro. He didn't have a mandate, bro.

Correct , the bro is incorrect , again.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 24^th, 2016 at 12:52pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 24th, 2016 at 12:43pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 24th, 2016 at 12:28pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 24th, 2016 at 12:10pm: It will be unless the Senate passes the ABCC legislation in April and the belligerent Senators Muir, Lambie, etc have said they won't vote for it despite the government having a mandate to establish the ABCC from the previous election. http://i1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee445/tariksimsek1/you-mad-bro.jpg Abbott campaigned on it. And don't call me bro. He didn't have a mandate, bro.

Labor suffers its worst ever electoral defeat and he doesn't have a mandate? You're delusional.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 24^th, 2016 at 1:00pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 24th, 2016 at 12:52pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 24th, 2016 at 12:43pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 24th, 2016 at 12:28pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 24th, 2016 at 12:10pm: It will be unless the Senate passes the ABCC legislation in April and the belligerent Senators Muir, Lambie, etc have said they won't vote for it despite the government having a mandate to establish the ABCC from the previous election. http://i1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee445/tariksimsek1/you-mad-bro.jpg Abbott campaigned on it. And don't call me bro. He didn't have a mandate, bro. Labor suffers its worst ever electoral defeat and he doesn't have a mandate? You're delusional.

He didn't have a mandate to establish the ABCC, bro.

What was his mandate?

A "Mandate" applies to a specific policy that has been campaigned on sidelining all others.

So what was it bro?


Quote:

mandate noun ˈmandeɪt/ 1. an official order or commission to do something. "a mandate to seek the release of political prisoners" synonyms:      instruction, directive, direction, decree, command, order, injunction, edict, charge, commission, bidding, warrant, ruling, ordinance, law, statute, fiat; More 2. the authority to carry out a policy, regarded as given by the electorate to a party or candidate that wins an election. "he called an election to seek a mandate for his policies" synonyms:      authority, approval, acceptance, ratification, endorsement; More verb manˈdeɪt/ 1. give (someone) authority to act in a certain way. "the rightful king was mandated and sanctioned by God" 2. historical (of territory) be assigned to (another power) under a mandate of the League of Nations. "mandated territories"

Thank heavens for the good people in the senate.   :)

Don't you want a DD crookie?

A good clear out is always good for the system.

bogarde73 wrote on Mar 24^th, 2016 at 2:29pm:

Don't you want a DD crookie? A good clear out is always good for the system.

he wouldnt want that hes hooked on a UNION system so outdated the only way they can get membership is to THREATEN people...

cods wrote on Mar 24^th, 2016 at 2:48pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Mar 24th, 2016 at 2:29pm: Don't you want a DD crookie? A good clear out is always good for the system. he wouldnt want that hes hooked on a UNION system so outdated the only way they can get membership is to THREATEN people...

And shes off and racing glug glug glug

bogarde73 wrote on Mar 24^th, 2016 at 2:29pm:

Don't you want a DD crookie? A good clear out is always good for the system.

Yep, this DD will be good for us all. It'll be like flushing out the colon of Australian politics, getting rid of sh!t that sticks for too long.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 24^th, 2016 at 3:56pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Mar 24th, 2016 at 2:29pm: Don't you want a DD crookie? A good clear out is always good for the system. Yep, this DD will be good for us all. It'll be like flushing out the colon of Australian politics, getting rid of sh!t that sticks for too long.

Yes it sure is time to flush the Libtards once and for all thus ending this exercise in futility .

cods wrote on Mar 24^th, 2016 at 2:48pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Mar 24th, 2016 at 2:29pm: Don't you want a DD crookie? A good clear out is always good for the system. he wouldnt want that hes hooked on a UNION system so outdated the only way they can get membership is to THREATEN people...

have you switched from alcohol to drugs?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 24^th, 2016 at 1:00pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 24th, 2016 at 12:52pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 24th, 2016 at 12:43pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 24th, 2016 at 12:28pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 24th, 2016 at 12:10pm: It will be unless the Senate passes the ABCC legislation in April and the belligerent Senators Muir, Lambie, etc have said they won't vote for it despite the government having a mandate to establish the ABCC from the previous election. http://i1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee445/tariksimsek1/you-mad-bro.jpg Abbott campaigned on it. And don't call me bro. He didn't have a mandate, bro. Labor suffers its worst ever electoral defeat and he doesn't have a mandate? You're delusional.

Wonder why it is called "worst"?  The worst defeat would be something like the Qld lib win which this government didn't achieve similar results?

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 24^th, 2016 at 12:16pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 24th, 2016 at 12:10pm: It will be unless the Senate passes the ABCC legislation in April and the belligerent Senators Muir, Lambie, etc have said they won't vote for it despite the government having a mandate to establish the ABCC from the previous election. Show us this 'mandate'... if such a thing existed (and it does not with any government, since they are subject to the will of the people and are not simply unconstrained despots)... why then was there this farce of a Royal Commission to try to build up some groundswell of demand for an imposed tyranny over Unions and especially the building industry? Could this have anything to do with the funding from the Flying Grollo Brothers and so forth that the Libs receive?  Could this simply have a part in the endless hatred of the 'right' here for those 'leftie' Unions and as such be part of a 'class warfare'? Even if the government feels it has some mythical mandate... it is the right and duty of the Senate  and of individual Senators to say NO.

I thought the central idea of representative democracy was thet we elected people to vote the way WE want? So if a government has a mandate for a particular policy, where is the democratic principle that say senators should ignore it?  and then when the other mob is in power and their policies are all blocked - because they can - is that good or bad?

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 24^th, 2016 at 2:10pm:

What was his mandate? A "Mandate" applies to a specific policy that has been campaigned on sidelining all others. So what was it bro? Quote: mandate noun ˈmandeɪt/ 1. an official order or commission to do something. "a mandate to seek the release of political prisoners" synonyms:      instruction, directive, direction, decree, command, order, injunction, edict, charge, commission, bidding, warrant, ruling, ordinance, law, statute, fiat; More 2. the authority to carry out a policy, regarded as given by the electorate to a party or candidate that wins an election. "he called an election to seek a mandate for his policies" synonyms:      authority, approval, acceptance, ratification, endorsement; More verb manˈdeɪt/ 1. give (someone) authority to act in a certain way. "the rightful king was mandated and sanctioned by God" 2. historical (of territory) be assigned to (another power) under a mandate of the League of Nations. "mandated territories"

but when a labor govt has legislation rejected, you all cry 'mandate'


it is like hypocrisy-central in here.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 24^th, 2016 at 12:10pm:

It will be unless the Senate passes the ABCC legislation in April and the belligerent Senators Muir, Lambie, etc have said they won't vote for it despite the government having a mandate to establish the ABCC from the previous election.

Tony having lunch with Christopher is not the right type of man date.

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 7:44am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 24th, 2016 at 2:10pm: What was his mandate? A "Mandate" applies to a specific policy that has been campaigned on sidelining all others. So what was it bro? Quote: mandate noun ˈmandeɪt/ 1. an official order or commission to do something. "a mandate to seek the release of political prisoners" synonyms:      instruction, directive, direction, decree, command, order, injunction, edict, charge, commission, bidding, warrant, ruling, ordinance, law, statute, fiat; More 2. the authority to carry out a policy, regarded as given by the electorate to a party or candidate that wins an election. "he called an election to seek a mandate for his policies" synonyms:      authority, approval, acceptance, ratification, endorsement; More verb manˈdeɪt/ 1. give (someone) authority to act in a certain way. "the rightful king was mandated and sanctioned by God" 2. historical (of territory) be assigned to (another power) under a mandate of the League of Nations. "mandated territories" but when a labor govt has legislation rejected, you all cry 'mandate' it is like hypocrisy-central in here.

No much of it was knocked back , its called negotiating , unlike the Libs who Ms Lambie said their policy has more holes in it than a target at a shooting range  ;D , oh we know Ms Lambie , we certainly do.

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 7:44am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 24th, 2016 at 2:10pm: What was his mandate? A "Mandate" applies to a specific policy that has been campaigned on sidelining all others. So what was it bro? Quote: mandate noun ˈmandeɪt/ 1. an official order or commission to do something. "a mandate to seek the release of political prisoners" synonyms:      instruction, directive, direction, decree, command, order, injunction, edict, charge, commission, bidding, warrant, ruling, ordinance, law, statute, fiat; More 2. the authority to carry out a policy, regarded as given by the electorate to a party or candidate that wins an election. "he called an election to seek a mandate for his policies" synonyms:      authority, approval, acceptance, ratification, endorsement; More verb manˈdeɪt/ 1. give (someone) authority to act in a certain way. "the rightful king was mandated and sanctioned by God" 2. historical (of territory) be assigned to (another power) under a mandate of the League of Nations. "mandated territories" but when a labor govt has legislation rejected, you all cry 'mandate' it is like hypocrisy-central in here.

Mandate has become a difficult topic for me as it seems to conflict on so many levels.

If you accept that there is a mandate I would think that it applies to the major ticket items, I doubt anyone specifically voted for the coalition because of this policy. I don't think you can determine that all the bits and pieces wrapped up in policy fine print is mandated.

Then you have the situation where Labor and virtually all its supporters would have voted strongly against this policy, it is very much hated by thinking people or anyone who believes in any level of fairness or a sense of what is reasonable.

Thirdly you have the senate bound to reject poor policy and this definitely qualifies.

Ask the question does a policy mandate supposedly outweigh the senates responsibility to function as it is meant to ?

This governments problem with the senate stems largely with its propensity to produce poor policy. They by and large left the senate with no other option.

It is a fact that the ABCC produced no benefit while presiding over a drastically reduced health and safety record in the building industry, people died because of it.

Make no mistake this isn't bad policy it is atrocious policy that well and truly deserves to be blocked.

Is it really going to be 3 months?

I doubt it.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 24^th, 2016 at 12:10pm:

It will be unless the Senate passes the ABCC legislation in April and the belligerent Senators Muir, Lambie, etc have said they won't vote for it despite the government having a mandate to establish the ABCC from the previous election.

No concern that one of Turnbull's first commitments as PM was that the government would go full term ?

Are honesty and integrity standards you only like to apply to Labor?

The last three Liberals PM's have clearly shown no regard for either.

Its time wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 7:49am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 25th, 2016 at 7:44am: Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 24th, 2016 at 2:10pm: What was his mandate? A "Mandate" applies to a specific policy that has been campaigned on sidelining all others. So what was it bro? Quote: mandate noun ˈmandeɪt/ 1. an official order or commission to do something. "a mandate to seek the release of political prisoners" synonyms:      instruction, directive, direction, decree, command, order, injunction, edict, charge, commission, bidding, warrant, ruling, ordinance, law, statute, fiat; More 2. the authority to carry out a policy, regarded as given by the electorate to a party or candidate that wins an election. "he called an election to seek a mandate for his policies" synonyms:      authority, approval, acceptance, ratification, endorsement; More verb manˈdeɪt/ 1. give (someone) authority to act in a certain way. "the rightful king was mandated and sanctioned by God" 2. historical (of territory) be assigned to (another power) under a mandate of the League of Nations. "mandated territories" but when a labor govt has legislation rejected, you all cry 'mandate' it is like hypocrisy-central in here. No much of it was knocked back , its called negotiating , unlike the Libs who Ms Lambie said their policy has more holes in it than a target at a shooting range  ;D , oh we know Ms Lambie , we certainly do.

Lambie is a disgraced ex-soldier with a drug and alcohol problem and a level of education of middle high school.

not exactly worthy or your love and attention. but she agrees with you and that is the entirety of your thinking on that or any other matter.

Dnarever wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 8:02am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 25th, 2016 at 7:44am: Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 24th, 2016 at 2:10pm: What was his mandate? A "Mandate" applies to a specific policy that has been campaigned on sidelining all others. So what was it bro? Quote: mandate noun ˈmandeɪt/ 1. an official order or commission to do something. "a mandate to seek the release of political prisoners" synonyms:      instruction, directive, direction, decree, command, order, injunction, edict, charge, commission, bidding, warrant, ruling, ordinance, law, statute, fiat; More 2. the authority to carry out a policy, regarded as given by the electorate to a party or candidate that wins an election. "he called an election to seek a mandate for his policies" synonyms:      authority, approval, acceptance, ratification, endorsement; More verb manˈdeɪt/ 1. give (someone) authority to act in a certain way. "the rightful king was mandated and sanctioned by God" 2. historical (of territory) be assigned to (another power) under a mandate of the League of Nations. "mandated territories" but when a labor govt has legislation rejected, you all cry 'mandate' it is like hypocrisy-central in here. Mandate has become a difficult topic for me as it seems to conflict on so many levels. If you accept that there is a mandate I would think that it applies to the major ticket items, I doubt anyone specifically voted for the coalition because of this policy. I don't think you can determine that all the bits and pieces wrapped up in policy fine print is mandated. Then you have the situation where Labor and virtually all its supporters would have voted strongly against this policy, it is very much hated by thinking people or anyone who believes in any level of fairness or a sense of what is reasonable. Thirdly you have the senate bound to reject poor policy and this definitely qualifies. Ask the question does a policy mandate supposedly outweigh the senates responsibility to function as it is meant to ? This governments problem with the senate stems largely with its propensity to produce poor policy. They by and large left the senate with no other option. It is a fact that the ABCC produced no benefit while presiding over a drastically reduced health and safety record in the building industry, people died because of it. Make no mistake this isn't bad policy it is atrocious policy that well and truly deserves to be blocked.

that is complete BS.  no one died because of the ABCC.


as for your belief on mandates it really amounts to one thing only.  You want your own way all the time, no matter what. you are a child throwing a tantrum, nothing else.

Its time wrote on Mar 24^th, 2016 at 12:35pm:

Going to be 3 months of hell watching victory slip away for the rightards  :'(

3 months of trying to sell copper internet in the asian century wouldn't be fun: let alone to the country that built it!

Its time wrote on Mar 24^th, 2016 at 3:58pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 24th, 2016 at 3:56pm: bogarde73 wrote on Mar 24th, 2016 at 2:29pm: Don't you want a DD crookie? A good clear out is always good for the system. Yep, this DD will be good for us all. It'll be like flushing out the colon of Australian politics, getting rid of sh!t that sticks for too long. Yes it sure is time to flush the Libtards once and for all thus ending this exercise in futility .

no--> COPPER INTERNET REALLY ISN'T THE FUTURE IS IT  8-) 8-)

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 24^th, 2016 at 12:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 24th, 2016 at 12:28pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 24th, 2016 at 12:10pm: It will be unless the Senate passes the ABCC legislation in April and the belligerent Senators Muir, Lambie, etc have said they won't vote for it despite the government having a mandate to establish the ABCC from the previous election. http://i1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee445/tariksimsek1/you-mad-bro.jpg Abbott campaigned on it. And don't call me bro.

Abbott and uncie Joe got laughed at by their own cannabalistic cabal!

It's all about MORE SOPHISTICATED perception now <adds special hop for DESPERATE  ::) ::) persuasive measure  ::) ::)>

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 24^th, 2016 at 1:00pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 24th, 2016 at 12:52pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 24th, 2016 at 12:43pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 24th, 2016 at 12:28pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 24th, 2016 at 12:10pm: It will be unless the Senate passes the ABCC legislation in April and the belligerent Senators Muir, Lambie, etc have said they won't vote for it despite the government having a mandate to establish the ABCC from the previous election. http://i1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee445/tariksimsek1/you-mad-bro.jpg Abbott campaigned on it. And don't call me bro. He didn't have a mandate, bro. Labor suffers its worst ever electoral defeat and he doesn't have a mandate? You're delusional.

The moral law is never with the libs: ever!

Don't you get it yet bro? WE ALL KNOW YOU DON'T CARE WHO DIED FOR THIS COUNTRY AND IT'S WHY YOU CAN'T SEE THE COPPER INTERNET BEING YOUR EPITAH!