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Message started by Mr Hammer on Mar 10th, 2016 at 3:17pm

Title: Bangladeshi Country Shoppers Sent Back
Post by Mr Hammer on Mar 10th, 2016 at 3:17pm

Australia sends asylum seekers back to Indonesia




Bangadeshi nationals wait at the East Nusa Tenggara water police office after being returned to Indonesia.



Six Bangladeshis were returned to Indonesia on Indonesian fishermen's boats after being intercepted by the Australian Border Force, according to an Indonesian police officer.

East Nusa Tenggara water police chief Teddy J.S. Marbun said the six Bangladeshi "suspected illegal immigrants" left Kupang with two Indonesians on March  3.

"They made it to Australian [waters] but their boat sunk," he said.

Indonesian crewmen Isai Rano, left with blue towel, and Lajimu, right, from Kupang at the East Nusa Tenggara water police office.



"The eight people then were rescued by an Australian customs ship for three days."


Teddy said the men were then transferred onto six nearby Indonesian fishing boats that were fishing near Ashmore Reef.

"They can't understand each other's language, so they just used sign language," Teddy said.

"The fisherman were given fuel and supplies, they know if you breach Australian waters, they will turn you back. So they took the eight people back."

Australian Border Force Commissioner Roman Quaedvlieg tweeted that Australian Border Force maritime patrol had assisted an Indonesian vessel in distress.

"The vessel was NOT scuttled - was unseaworthy and sank. Pax [passengers] assisted & okay," he tweeted.
The boat's skipper, Isai Rano, 34, said he had been offered 92 million rupiah ($10,352) to take the six Bangladeshis to Australia.

"We used 35 million rupiah to buy a boat. We kept a fee of 10 million and gave 47 million to our family."

Isai said they left for Australia on the morning of March 3.

"After sailing for three days, our boat sank, the Australian navy saved us. We were interrogated aboard the navy ship. When they found Indonesian fishing boats, we were transferred onto them on monday. We were given rice and life jackets and the fishermen were told to take us back to Kupang."

The incident comes two weeks before the main regional forum to combat people smuggling is held in Bali. Foreign Minister Julie Bishop will attend the Bali process, which is co-chaired by Indonesia and Australia.

Australia's boat push-back policy is a sore point in the Indonesia-Australia relationship. Indonesia considers the policy an affront to its sovereignty and an example of one country pushing its responsibility onto another.

Teddy said two days into the journey back to Indonesia some of the fishermen's boats had engine problems.

"That was when the water police found them. We evacuated them to the water police post."

Teddy said the skipper, Isai, and the second Indonesian crew member were being interviewed by police.

He said the six Bangladeshis were suspected illegal immigrants and were now being detained at an immigration detention centre in Kupang.

A spokeswoman for Immigration Minister Peter Dutton said: "The government doesn't comment on operational matters".

Title: Re: Bangladeshi Country Shoppers Sent Back
Post by cods on Mar 10th, 2016 at 3:22pm
The incident comes two weeks before the main regional forum to combat people smuggling is held in Bali. Foreign Minister Julie Bishop will attend the Bali process, which is co-chaired by Indonesia and Australia.

I wonder how many of these people smugglers are Indonesian....

they way Indonesia tries to dodge this is quite amazing......gawd if Julia offers them more money like gillard did i think I will scream..a fat lot of good half a bil did. >:( >:( >:(

Title: Re: Bangladeshi Country Shoppers Sent Back
Post by LEUT Bigvicfella (RTD) on Mar 10th, 2016 at 3:30pm
The bit left out in red:

"After sailing for three days, our boat sank, the Australian navy saved us. We were interrogated aboard the navy ship. When they found Indonesian fishing boats, we were transferred onto them on monday. We were given rice and life jackets  and a lot of american dollars by the Australian Government and the fishermen were told to take us back to Kupang."

Title: Re: Bangladeshi Country Shoppers Sent Back
Post by Mr Hammer on Mar 10th, 2016 at 3:32pm

Vic wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 3:30pm:
The bit left out in red:

"After sailing for three days, our boat sank, the Australian navy saved us. We were interrogated aboard the navy ship. When they found Indonesian fishing boats, we were transferred onto them on monday. We were given rice and life jackets  and a lot of american dollars by the Australian Government and the fishermen were told to take us back to Kupang."
I don't think so. These Indonesian fishing boats were caught in Australian waters (Ashmore Reef). I believe the Australian Navy said- take these people back and we won't prosecute you or take your boat for illegally fishing in aus waters.

Title: Re: Bangladeshi Country Shoppers Sent Back
Post by LEUT Bigvicfella (RTD) on Mar 10th, 2016 at 3:40pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 3:32pm:

Vic wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 3:30pm:
The bit left out in red:

"After sailing for three days, our boat sank, the Australian navy saved us. We were interrogated aboard the navy ship. When they found Indonesian fishing boats, we were transferred onto them on monday. We were given rice and life jackets  and a lot of american dollars by the Australian Government and the fishermen were told to take us back to Kupang."
I don't think so. These Indonesian fishing boats were caught in Australian waters (Ashmore Reef). I believe the Australian Navy said- take these people back and we won't prosecute you or take your boat for illegally fishing in aus waters.



had a bit to do with this in my past life.  I reckon the bit in red is around  99.9% correct.

Title: Re: Bangladeshi Country Shoppers Sent Back
Post by Aussie on Mar 10th, 2016 at 3:49pm

Vic wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 3:40pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 3:32pm:

Vic wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 3:30pm:
The bit left out in red:

"After sailing for three days, our boat sank, the Australian navy saved us. We were interrogated aboard the navy ship. When they found Indonesian fishing boats, we were transferred onto them on monday. We were given rice and life jackets  and a lot of american dollars by the Australian Government and the fishermen were told to take us back to Kupang."
I don't think so. These Indonesian fishing boats were caught in Australian waters (Ashmore Reef). I believe the Australian Navy said- take these people back and we won't prosecute you or take your boat for illegally fishing in aus waters.



had a bit to do with this in my past life.  I reckon the bit in red is around  99.9% correct.


Why would the 'fishermen' do it for nothing?  I reckon you are 100% correct, and the presence of those 'fishermen' would not have been sheer co-incidence.  They would have been summonsed via radio.  We are bloody pirates, I tells ya!

Title: Re: Bangladeshi Country Shoppers Sent Back
Post by Mr Hammer on Mar 10th, 2016 at 3:58pm

Vic wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 3:40pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 3:32pm:

Vic wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 3:30pm:
The bit left out in red:

"After sailing for three days, our boat sank, the Australian navy saved us. We were interrogated aboard the navy ship. When they found Indonesian fishing boats, we were transferred onto them on monday. We were given rice and life jackets  and a lot of american dollars by the Australian Government and the fishermen were told to take us back to Kupang."
I don't think so. These Indonesian fishing boats were caught in Australian waters (Ashmore Reef). I believe the Australian Navy said- take these people back and we won't prosecute you or take your boat for illegally fishing in aus waters.



had a bit to do with this in my past life.  I reckon the bit in red is around  99.9% correct.
Maybe. Maybe not. It's a lot cheaper to give them some money than take asylum seekers who end up on the dole queue or looked after in a camp.

Title: Re: Bangladeshi Country Shoppers Sent Back
Post by Leftwinger on Mar 10th, 2016 at 4:01pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 3:58pm:

Vic wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 3:40pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 3:32pm:

Vic wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 3:30pm:
The bit left out in red:

"After sailing for three days, our boat sank, the Australian navy saved us. We were interrogated aboard the navy ship. When they found Indonesian fishing boats, we were transferred onto them on monday. We were given rice and life jackets  and a lot of american dollars by the Australian Government and the fishermen were told to take us back to Kupang."
I don't think so. These Indonesian fishing boats were caught in Australian waters (Ashmore Reef). I believe the Australian Navy said- take these people back and we won't prosecute you or take your boat for illegally fishing in aus waters.



had a bit to do with this in my past life.  I reckon the bit in red is around  99.9% correct.
Maybe. Maybe not. It's a lot cheaper to give them some money than take asylum seekers who end up on the dole queue or looked after in a camp.


How many refugees could you settle for life with , say , 52milllllllllllliion dollars

Title: Re: Bangladeshi Country Shoppers Sent Back
Post by Mr Hammer on Mar 10th, 2016 at 4:05pm

Its time wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 4:01pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 3:58pm:

Vic wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 3:40pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 3:32pm:

Vic wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 3:30pm:
The bit left out in red:

"After sailing for three days, our boat sank, the Australian navy saved us. We were interrogated aboard the navy ship. When they found Indonesian fishing boats, we were transferred onto them on monday. We were given rice and life jackets  and a lot of american dollars by the Australian Government and the fishermen were told to take us back to Kupang."
I don't think so. These Indonesian fishing boats were caught in Australian waters (Ashmore Reef). I believe the Australian Navy said- take these people back and we won't prosecute you or take your boat for illegally fishing in aus waters.



had a bit to do with this in my past life.  I reckon the bit in red is around  99.9% correct.
Maybe. Maybe not. It's a lot cheaper to give them some money than take asylum seekers who end up on the dole queue or looked after in a camp.


How many refugees could you settle for life with , say , 52milllllllllllliion dollars
For life?? Depends how needy they are. Some need medical attention for them and family members. Most are on the dole because they are unemployable. Unplanned migration is expensive. Multiple billions have been spent on the results of people smuggling so far.

Title: Re: Bangladeshi Country Shoppers Sent Back
Post by Leftwinger on Mar 10th, 2016 at 4:14pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 4:05pm:

Its time wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 4:01pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 3:58pm:

Vic wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 3:40pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 3:32pm:

Vic wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 3:30pm:
The bit left out in red:

"After sailing for three days, our boat sank, the Australian navy saved us. We were interrogated aboard the navy ship. When they found Indonesian fishing boats, we were transferred onto them on monday. We were given rice and life jackets  and a lot of american dollars by the Australian Government and the fishermen were told to take us back to Kupang."
I don't think so. These Indonesian fishing boats were caught in Australian waters (Ashmore Reef). I believe the Australian Navy said- take these people back and we won't prosecute you or take your boat for illegally fishing in aus waters.



had a bit to do with this in my past life.  I reckon the bit in red is around  99.9% correct.
Maybe. Maybe not. It's a lot cheaper to give them some money than take asylum seekers who end up on the dole queue or looked after in a camp.


How many refugees could you settle for life with , say , 52milllllllllllliion dollars
For life?? Depends how needy they are. Some need medical attention for them and family members. Most are on the dole because they are unemployable. Unplanned migration is expensive. Multiple billions have been spent on the results of people smuggling so far.


Lets say half a mil as a conservative estimate ?

Title: Re: Bangladeshi Country Shoppers Sent Back
Post by Mr Hammer on Mar 10th, 2016 at 4:15pm

Its time wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 4:14pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 4:05pm:

Its time wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 4:01pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 3:58pm:

Vic wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 3:40pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 3:32pm:

Vic wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 3:30pm:
The bit left out in red:

"After sailing for three days, our boat sank, the Australian navy saved us. We were interrogated aboard the navy ship. When they found Indonesian fishing boats, we were transferred onto them on monday. We were given rice and life jackets  and a lot of american dollars by the Australian Government and the fishermen were told to take us back to Kupang."
I don't think so. These Indonesian fishing boats were caught in Australian waters (Ashmore Reef). I believe the Australian Navy said- take these people back and we won't prosecute you or take your boat for illegally fishing in aus waters.



had a bit to do with this in my past life.  I reckon the bit in red is around  99.9% correct.
Maybe. Maybe not. It's a lot cheaper to give them some money than take asylum seekers who end up on the dole queue or looked after in a camp.


How many refugees could you settle for life with , say , 52milllllllllllliion dollars
For life?? Depends how needy they are. Some need medical attention for them and family members. Most are on the dole because they are unemployable. Unplanned migration is expensive. Multiple billions have been spent on the results of people smuggling so far.


Lets say half a mil as a conservative estimate ?
For life??? Probably none.

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