http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/andrew-bolt/vile-attack-on-peta-credlin-and-tony-abbott-stinks-of-hypocrisy/news-story/c6c312128e63a14e170d550b5a6273ca


a funny thing happened on the way to the publishers.. ;D ;D


Quote:

Credlin is the target of journalist Niki Savva, who obsessively attacked her as a columnist on The Australian and now savages her in her book, The Road to Ruin, purporting to explain why the Abbott government fell.

Quote:

[/quote] [quote]But there’s more. Six years ago Savva wrote another book in which she confessed that “as a journalist I lied often, usually about my sources, but about other things, too”. She admitted she had a rule that politicians were either sources or targets and that “I learned to slice and dice anyone who … spoke to others and not me”.

Quote:

They knew Savva was no friend. As Savva wrote in 2010, she was even then keeping a “loser’s file” of cuttings on Abbott, someone from whom she’d “recoiled in horror at the prospect of (being) leader”.

sounds like savva has a bigger reason for this book and having it released NOW..

at least we knew Mark Latham was a bitter soul...

this person pretends to be impartial...at least isnt that what a journo is meant to be?..

cods wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 9:32am:

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/andrew-bolt/vile-attack-on-peta-credlin-and-tony-abbott-stinks-of-hypocrisy/news-story/c6c312128e63a14e170d550b5a6273ca a funny thing happened on the way to the publishers.. ;D ;D Quote: Credlin is the target of journalist Niki Savva, who obsessively attacked her as a columnist on The Australian and now savages her in her book, The Road to Ruin, purporting to explain why the Abbott government fell. [quote]

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But there’s more. Six years ago Savva wrote another book in which she confessed that “as a journalist I lied often, usually about my sources, but about other things, too”. She admitted she had a rule that politicians were either sources or targets and that “I learned to slice and dice anyone who … spoke to others and not me”.

Quote:

They knew Savva was no friend. As Savva wrote in 2010, she was even then keeping a “loser’s file” of cuttings on Abbott, someone from whom she’d “recoiled in horror at the prospect of (being) leader”.

sounds like savva has a bigger reason for this book and having it released NOW..

at least we knew Mark Latham was a bitter soul...

this person pretends to be impartial...at least isnt that what a journo is meant to be?..[/quote]


You are seriously asking us that question after quoting Bolt from the Smellograph? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Savva has done no more or less than several newscorp opinion writers and shock jocks did and still do to people associated with the Gillard government.

You cheered then, acted as if their thoughts & OPINIONS were gospel.

Now apparently you want ethics in journalism, a clear distinction between fact & rumour/opinion.

Funny, when Gillard called for that we had Gestapo pictures all over a certain papers front page, & again Cods you cheered the loudest.

Sucks to be you hey?

macman wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 9:39am:

cods wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 9:32am: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/andrew-bolt/vile-attack-on-peta-credlin-and-tony-abbott-stinks-of-hypocrisy/news-story/c6c312128e63a14e170d550b5a6273ca a funny thing happened on the way to the publishers.. ;D ;D Quote: Credlin is the target of journalist Niki Savva, who obsessively attacked her as a columnist on The Australian and now savages her in her book, The Road to Ruin, purporting to explain why the Abbott government fell. [quote] [quote]But there’s more. Six years ago Savva wrote another book in which she confessed that “as a journalist I lied often, usually about my sources, but about other things, too”. She admitted she had a rule that politicians were either sources or targets and that “I learned to slice and dice anyone who … spoke to others and not me”.

Quote:

They knew Savva was no friend. As Savva wrote in 2010, she was even then keeping a “loser’s file” of cuttings on Abbott, someone from whom she’d “recoiled in horror at the prospect of (being) leader”.

sounds like savva has a bigger reason for this book and having it released NOW..

at least we knew Mark Latham was a bitter soul...

this person pretends to be impartial...at least isnt that what a journo is meant to be?..[/quote]


You are seriously asking us that question after quoting Bolt from the Smellograph? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
[/quote]



ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I fully expected a leftie to bring that up/


but you guys claim he is a columnist not a journo..

you cant have it both ways.. ;D ;D ;D ;D

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 9:48am:

Savva has done no more or less than several newscorp opinion writers and shock jocks did and still do to people associated with the Gillard government. You cheered then, acted as if their thoughts & OPINIONS were gospel. Now apparently you want ethics in journalism, a clear distinction between fact & rumour/opinion. Funny, when Gillard called for that we had Gestapo pictures all over a certain papers front page, & again Cods you cheered the loudest. Sucks to be you hey?

did I.. show me??>.. you have a good memory so LINK PLEASE>.


what BOOKS ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???


I have yet to see a book on GILLARDS REIGN?and why she sank?>...

i would be interested in talking about it with you!

who wrote it..even would help.

cods wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 9:54am:

did I.. show me??>.. you have a good memory so LINK PLEASE>.

Are yes the old Show me tactic, as if I'm even going to bother trying to find 5 year old threads.

If you can't remember then I suggest Sudoku & Crosswords are good at keeping dementia at bay.


cods wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 9:54am:

what BOOKS ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???

Where did I mention books?



cods wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 9:54am:

I have yet to see a book on GILLARDS REIGN?and why she sank?>...

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=books+on+gillard+government&oq=books+on+gillard+government&aqs=chrome..69i57.9374j0j1&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=91&ie=UTF-8

There's 5 you can order from Amazon right at the top


cods wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 9:54am:

i would be interested in talking about it with you!

Why?
So you can repeat the same stuff you've already denied saying in the 1st place?


cods wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 9:54am:

who wrote it..even would help.

Chris Aulich
Kerry-Anne Walsh
Troy Bramston

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 10:04am:

cods wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 9:54am: did I.. show me??>.. you have a good memory so LINK PLEASE>. Are yes the old Show me tactic, as if I'm even going to bother trying to find 5 year old threads. If you can't remember then I suggest Sudoku & Crosswords are good at keeping dementia at bay. cods wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 9:54am: what BOOKS ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??? Where did I mention books? cods wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 9:54am: I have yet to see a book on GILLARDS REIGN?and why she sank?>... https://www.google.com.au/search?q=books+on+gillard+government&oq=books+on+gillard+government&aqs=chrome..69i57.9374j0j1&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=91&ie=UTF-8 There's 5 you can order from Amazon right at the top cods wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 9:54am: i would be interested in talking about it with you! Why? So you can repeat the same stuff you've already denied saying in the 1st place? cods wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 9:54am: who wrote it..even would help. Chris Aulich Kerry-Anne Walsh Troy Bramston

well they must have been a HIT because I dont recall any of them being a hit on ozpol....

did they all mention her sex life with shortarse... as savva has done???????????>.... ::) ::) come on she would have been sleeping with him for sure..


ok smithy of course talking to you is the samne for me like talking to ,a brick wall... but thats ok....


you want to call me names and tell lies about me without any proof we can all do that you know...

however I will pass and move on....you want to think I defamed gillard with gossip  go right ahead..

I prefer proof....but I expect too much.

which one was the best seller??????.. the one with all the gossip..

i might remember it.

cods wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 9:54am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 9:48am: Savva has done no more or less than several newscorp opinion writers and shock jocks did and still do to people associated with the Gillard government. You cheered then, acted as if their thoughts & OPINIONS were gospel. Now apparently you want ethics in journalism, a clear distinction between fact & rumour/opinion. Funny, when Gillard called for that we had Gestapo pictures all over a certain papers front page, & again Cods you cheered the loudest. Sucks to be you hey? did I.. show me??>.. you have a good memory so LINK PLEASE>. what BOOKS ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??? I have yet to see a book on GILLARDS REIGN?and why she sank?>... i would be interested in talking about it with you! who wrote it..even would help.

You were quoting the killing fields verbatim and you're still telling us how Shorten is guilty when people far more intelligent than yourself cleared him months ago , i doubt many take your opinion to serious :D

cods wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 10:10am:

did they all mention her sex life with shortarse..

LOL


cods wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 10:10am:

I prefer proof....but I expect too much.

I look forward to your proof of above ;)

You have been following this story closely I see, have you read the book?

I haven't, but I have seen reviews from people that have, Abbott's & Credlin's supposed sex life actually equals about 2 & a half sentences by their reports.

Which begs the question, are we so debased that ANY innuendo amuses us plebs & therefore is the only thing focused on.

Or is the rest of the book a damming tomb of incompetence that supporters in the media & others such as yourself here hope we are that shallow & never move past dicks & tits.

cods wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 9:52am:

macman wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 9:39am: cods wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 9:32am: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/andrew-bolt/vile-attack-on-peta-credlin-and-tony-abbott-stinks-of-hypocrisy/news-story/c6c312128e63a14e170d550b5a6273ca a funny thing happened on the way to the publishers.. ;D ;D Quote: Credlin is the target of journalist Niki Savva, who obsessively attacked her as a columnist on The Australian and now savages her in her book, The Road to Ruin, purporting to explain why the Abbott government fell. [quote] [quote]But there’s more. Six years ago Savva wrote another book in which she confessed that “as a journalist I lied often, usually about my sources, but about other things, too”. She admitted she had a rule that politicians were either sources or targets and that “I learned to slice and dice anyone who … spoke to others and not me”. [quote]They knew Savva was no friend. As Savva wrote in 2010, she was even then keeping a “loser’s file” of cuttings on Abbott, someone from whom she’d “recoiled in horror at the prospect of (being) leader”.

sounds like savva has a bigger reason for this book and having it released NOW..

at least we knew Mark Latham was a bitter soul...

this person pretends to be impartial...at least isnt that what a journo is meant to be?..[/quote]


You are seriously asking us that question after quoting Bolt from the Smellograph? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
[/quote]



ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I fully expected a leftie to bring that up/


but you guys claim he is a columnist not a journo..

you cant have it both ways.. ;D ;D ;D ;D[/quote]


He is a columnist.

I havent a clue what you are ravin g about


Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 10:23am:

I look forward to your proof of above You have been following this story closely I see, have you read the book?

what book... you mentioned several?..
Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 10:23am:

I haven't, but I have seen reviews from people that have, Abbott's & Credlin's supposed sex life actually equals about 2 & a half sentences by their reports. Which begs the question, are we so debased that ANY innuendo amuses us plebs & therefore is the only thing focused on.

if you are talking about savvas book... no...but what I am talking about is whats been said on here....and most headlines....

I gather you have read her book....

on ly two lines... are they the two lines that tell us the names of the informers????..... ::) ::)

just wondering...

the point of this thread though is about SAVVA and her credentials...

perhaps you missed that point.

did you notice who her husband works for????>..

not that theres anything wrong with that of course

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 10:37am:

cods wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 9:52am: macman wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 9:39am: cods wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 9:32am: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/andrew-bolt/vile-attack-on-peta-credlin-and-tony-abbott-stinks-of-hypocrisy/news-story/c6c312128e63a14e170d550b5a6273ca a funny thing happened on the way to the publishers.. ;D ;D Quote: Credlin is the target of journalist Niki Savva, who obsessively attacked her as a columnist on The Australian and now savages her in her book, The Road to Ruin, purporting to explain why the Abbott government fell. [quote] [quote]But there’s more. Six years ago Savva wrote another book in which she confessed that “as a journalist I lied often, usually about my sources, but about other things, too”. She admitted she had a rule that politicians were either sources or targets and that “I learned to slice and dice anyone who … spoke to others and not me”. [quote]They knew Savva was no friend. As Savva wrote in 2010, she was even then keeping a “loser’s file” of cuttings on Abbott, someone from whom she’d “recoiled in horror at the prospect of (being) leader”. sounds like savva has a bigger reason for this book and having it released NOW.. at least we knew Mark Latham was a bitter soul... this person pretends to be impartial...at least isnt that what a journo is meant to be?..

You are seriously asking us that question after quoting Bolt from the Smellograph? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
[/quote]



ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I fully expected a leftie to bring that up/


but you guys claim he is a columnist not a journo..

you cant have it both ways.. ;D ;D ;D ;D[/quote]


He is a columnist. [/quote]


thats what I said..

Savva claims to be a journalist..

cods wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 10:41am:

I havent a clue what you are ravin g about Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 10:23am: I look forward to your proof of above You have been following this story closely I see, have you read the book? what book... you mentioned several?.. Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 10:23am: I haven't, but I have seen reviews from people that have, Abbott's & Credlin's supposed sex life actually equals about 2 & a half sentences by their reports. Which begs the question, are we so debased that ANY innuendo amuses us plebs & therefore is the only thing focused on. if you are talking about savvas book... no...but what I am talking about is whats been said on here....and most headlines.... I gather you have read her book.... on ly two lines... are they the two lines that tell us the names of the informers????..... ::) ::) just wondering... the point of this thread though is about SAVVA and her credentials... perhaps you missed that point. did you notice who her husband works for????>.. not that theres anything wrong with that of course

Savva's credentials are impeccable, a political correspondent for over 30 years employed & published in some of Australia's most respected journals.

In fact she was so respected by one Tony Abbott he often sent her texts, this is of course whilst she was being critical of the Gillard government.
However once those critical eyes turned to Tones in government suddenly she's a hack, rather than shrewd.


Quote:

"Abbott would text reasonably frequently to say, 'Good column, very shrewd observations'." http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/niki-savva-how-journalist-went-from-conservative-darling-to-abbott-she-devil-20160307-gnc6vl.html#ixzz42SPDEAmu

The "informers" are named


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One senator, Connie Fierraventi-Wells, bravely approached Abbott and Ms Credlin over what many believed was a major issue for his public image, and for the government, Savva’s book reveals. “Politics is about perceptions,” Savva quotes Ms Fierraventi-Wells as saying. “Rightly or wrongly, the perception is that you are sleeping with your chief of staff. That’s the perception, and you need to deal with it.”

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 11:03am:

“Rightly or wrongly, the perception is that you are sleeping with your chief of staff. That’s the perception, and you need to deal with it.”

So perceptions become facts? Unbelievable.

cods wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 9:52am:

macman wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 9:39am: cods wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 9:32am: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/andrew-bolt/vile-attack-on-peta-credlin-and-tony-abbott-stinks-of-hypocrisy/news-story/c6c312128e63a14e170d550b5a6273ca a funny thing happened on the way to the publishers.. ;D ;D Quote: Credlin is the target of journalist Niki Savva, who obsessively attacked her as a columnist on The Australian and now savages her in her book, The Road to Ruin, purporting to explain why the Abbott government fell. [quote] [quote]But there’s more. Six years ago Savva wrote another book in which she confessed that “as a journalist I lied often, usually about my sources, but about other things, too”. She admitted she had a rule that politicians were either sources or targets and that “I learned to slice and dice anyone who … spoke to others and not me”. [quote]They knew Savva was no friend. As Savva wrote in 2010, she was even then keeping a “loser’s file” of cuttings on Abbott, someone from whom she’d “recoiled in horror at the prospect of (being) leader”.

sounds like savva has a bigger reason for this book and having it released NOW..

at least we knew Mark Latham was a bitter soul...

this person pretends to be impartial...at least isnt that what a journo is meant to be?..[/quote]


You are seriously asking us that question after quoting Bolt from the Smellograph? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
[/quote]



ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I fully expected a leftie to bring that up/


but you guys claim he is a columnist not a journo..

you cant have it both ways.. ;D ;D ;D ;D[/quote]
What is savva?

You playing semantics mrs metho drinker??

lee wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 11:13am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 11:03am: “Rightly or wrongly, the perception is that you are sleeping with your chief of staff. That’s the perception, and you need to deal with it.” So perceptions become facts? Unbelievable.

No, but perception is everything especially in politics, from the author you all wish to think solely is focused on sexual innuendo


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One former staffer compared their relationship to that of King Edward III and American socialite Wallis Simpson, who were famously “slavishly dependent” on each other. “This was not meant to imply an affair; it was meant to describe the depth of the dependence, the consuming obsession, and what Abbott was prepared to sacrifice for it,” Savva wrote. “Like King Edward VIII, who gave up his throne because he could not do the job without Wallis by his side, Abbott had convinced himself he could not do it without Credlin. Ultimately, it cost him the highest office in the land.” They both seemed to agree Abbott could not perform as prime minister without Ms Credlin by his side. In the end, they went down together.

But let's keep the focus on dicks

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 11:19am:

lee wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 11:13am: Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 11:03am: “Rightly or wrongly, the perception is that you are sleeping with your chief of staff. That’s the perception, and you need to deal with it.” So perceptions become facts? Unbelievable. No, but perception is everything especially in politics, from the author you all wish to think solely is focused on sexual innuendo Quote: One former staffer compared their relationship to that of King Edward III and American socialite Wallis Simpson, who were famously “slavishly dependent” on each other. “This was not meant to imply an affair; it was meant to describe the depth of the dependence, the consuming obsession, and what Abbott was prepared to sacrifice for it,” Savva wrote. “Like King Edward VIII, who gave up his throne because he could not do the job without Wallis by his side, Abbott had convinced himself he could not do it without Credlin. Ultimately, it cost him the highest office in the land.” They both seemed to agree Abbott could not perform as prime minister without Ms Credlin by his side. In the end, they went down together. But let's keep the focus on dicks

Since Edward III died in 1377, Mrs Simpson must have been incredibly old when she finally passed in 1986.

lee wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 11:13am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 11:03am: “Rightly or wrongly, the perception is that you are sleeping with your chief of staff. That’s the perception, and you need to deal with it.” So perceptions become facts? Unbelievable.

Fierravanti-Wells has even confirmed that she indeed had this conversation with Tony Abbott. Really, what has Savva done that is so awful. Seriously, we all know why Abbott fell on his sword without reading Savva's book.

crocodile wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 11:30am:

Fierravanti-Wells has even confirmed that she indeed had this conversation with Tony Abbott. Really, what has Savva done that is so awful. Seriously, we all know why Abbott fell on his sword without reading Savva's book.

So "Fierravanti-Wells has even confirmed that she indeed had this conversation with Tony Abbott". Does it change its meaning from perceptions to fact?

crocodile wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 11:26am:

Since Edward III died in 1377, Mrs Simpson must have been incredibly old when she finally passed in 1986.

'Edward VIII (Edward Albert Christian George Andrew Patrick David; 23 June 1894 – 28 May 1972) was King of the United Kingdom and the Dominions of the British Empire, and Emperor of India, from 20 January 1936 until his abdication on 11 December the same year.'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_VIII

lee wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 11:37am:

crocodile wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 11:26am: Since Edward III died in 1377, Mrs Simpson must have been incredibly old when she finally passed in 1986. 'Edward VIII (Edward Albert Christian George Andrew Patrick David; 23 June 1894 – 28 May 1972) was King of the United Kingdom and the Dominions of the British Empire, and Emperor of India, from 20 January 1936 until his abdication on 11 December the same year.' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_VIII

Yes, that is true for Edward VIII. The original transcript is out by 5 Edwards. Edward III and Mrs Simpson lived 600 years apart.

lee wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 11:33am:

crocodile wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 11:30am: Fierravanti-Wells has even confirmed that she indeed had this conversation with Tony Abbott. Really, what has Savva done that is so awful. Seriously, we all know why Abbott fell on his sword without reading Savva's book. So "Fierravanti-Wells has even confirmed that she indeed had this conversation with Tony Abbott". Does it change its meaning from perceptions to fact?

It doesn't change the meaning at all. Savva never claimed it as fact. She only made note that Fierravanti-Wells spoke to the PM regarding the subject. She spoke the truth.

lee wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 11:33am:

crocodile wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 11:30am: Fierravanti-Wells has even confirmed that she indeed had this conversation with Tony Abbott. Really, what has Savva done that is so awful. Seriously, we all know why Abbott fell on his sword without reading Savva's book. So "Fierravanti-Wells has even confirmed that she indeed had this conversation with Tony Abbott". Does it change its meaning from perceptions to fact?

I'm not understanding your line of thought.

No one has said Abbott & Credlin WERE having an affair, so no facts are involved or needed.

The actual facts are that their relationship was so intertwined that it could be perceived they were, Cods implied it was gossip with no source or basis in fact & I pointed out that it was not an unnamed rumour but a piece of history confirmed with a name & actual quote from source.

The "fact" is they were perceived to be sleeping together, not if the actually were or not.

But hey let's keep playing word semantics because as Cods said this is a thread on the credentials of Savva.


Quote:

Savva has worked as a correspondent in the Canberra Press Gallery, for The Australian newspaper and for the Herald Sun and The Age. She's also worked as the Washington correspondent for News Ltd. She now writes for The Australian and appears regularly as a panelist on ABC Insiders.[1] She worked as press secretary to the Australian Treasurer, Peter Costello in the Howard Government, for six years, before working on Prime Minister John Howard's staff for three.[2] Savva is married to Vince Savva, a Liberal political staffer in the office of Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull.[3]

They seem pretty solid to me.

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Savva, too, has possible vested interests she has been reluctant to disclose. Her husband is on Turnbull’s staff — a fact Savva angrily insists is irrelevant.

why would anyone quote this self interested and self confessed liar?

what a joke...  ::)

Good on you SAVVA for reporting the facts , ignore the rightard lynch mob

Its time wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 11:52am:

Good on you SAVVA for reporting the facts , ignore the rightard lynch mob

She's a Greek-Cypriot lying arsehole and a self-confessed one at that!

She's one ugly looking broad. Who, older than 6 wears a fringe?  ::)

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So a person's worth is judged by their looks & hairstyle

http://www.smh.com.au/content/dam/images/g/j/d/7/p/g/image.related.articleLeadwide.620x349.gmuyij.png/1455616717346.jpg

You phu ckers aren't even trying anymore

Yes!  ;D Unless you are a female you wouldn't comprehend!  ;)

Neferti wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 2:44pm:

Yes!  ;D Unless you are a female you wouldn't comprehend!  ;)

Larissa waters , yummy

Neferti wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 2:30pm:

She's one ugly looking broad. Who, older than 6 wears a fringe?  ::)

I did wonder about that......the fringe I mean..

I dont think we should judge anyone by the way they look..

but this person is spreading muck raking gossip..

for what reason and WHY?

thats what puzzles me...

maybe she needs the money knowing all the lefties will rush out and buy the book...and slurp it up...some one  listed two people that contributed to it..... wow!...and Savva and the left take it as gospel  ::) ::).. no axes to grind in parliament house of ::) course not!!!!



crocodile wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 11:26am:

Since Edward III died in 1377, Mrs Simpson must have been incredibly old when she finally passed in 1986.

gives you a rough idea just how observant some people are... ;D ;D ;D ;D

but we forget

they "KNOW" everything.about everyone.

Peta awoke with a jerk.... and  leaning over to wake him up.. held a finger to her lips and whispered... "Tony!  I think the media is filming us through the window you left open!"

http://cdn.charismanews.com/images/stories/2015/politics/TelevisionCameras-Reuters-618px.jpg

have lost your way again grap... ::) ::)

cods wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 4:24pm:

Neferti wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 2:30pm: She's one ugly looking broad. Who, older than 6 wears a fringe?  ::) I did wonder about that......the fringe I mean.. I dont think we should judge anyone by the way they look.. but this person is spreading muck raking gossip.. for what reason and WHY? thats what puzzles me... maybe she needs the money knowing all the lefties will rush out and buy the book...and slurp it up...some one  listed two people that contributed to it..... wow!...and Savva and the left take it as gospel  ::) ::).. no axes to grind in parliament house of ::) course not!!!! crocodile wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 11:26am: Since Edward III died in 1377, Mrs Simpson must have been incredibly old when she finally passed in 1986. gives you a rough idea just how observant some people are... ;D ;D ;D ;D but we forget they "KNOW" everything.about everyone.

Maybe it's got something to do with her old man working for Mal.... they're a dirty lot, the Libs... been that way for years....

cods wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 4:24pm:

Neferti wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 2:30pm: She's one ugly looking broad. Who, older than 6 wears a fringe?  ::) I did wonder about that......the fringe I mean.. I dont think we should judge anyone by the way they look.. but this person is spreading muck raking gossip.. for what reason and WHY? thats what puzzles me... maybe she needs the money knowing all the lefties will rush out and buy the book...and slurp it up...some one  listed two people that contributed to it..... wow!...and Savva and the left take it as gospel  ::) ::).. no axes to grind in parliament house of ::) course not!!!! crocodile wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 11:26am: Since Edward III died in 1377, Mrs Simpson must have been incredibly old when she finally passed in 1986. gives you a rough idea just how observant some people are... ;D ;D ;D ;D but we forget they "KNOW" everything.about everyone.

Why are you trying to paint her as a leftie Cods?

cods wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 4:24pm:

Neferti wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 2:30pm: She's one ugly looking broad. Who, older than 6 wears a fringe?  ::) I did wonder about that......the fringe I mean.. I dont think we should judge anyone by the way they look.. but this person is spreading muck raking gossip.. for what reason and WHY? thats what puzzles me... maybe she needs the money knowing all the lefties will rush out and buy the book...and slurp it up...some one  listed two people that contributed to it..... wow!...and Savva and the left take it as gospel  ::) ::).. no axes to grind in parliament house of ::) course not!!!! crocodile wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 11:26am: Since Edward III died in 1377, Mrs Simpson must have been incredibly old when she finally passed in 1986. gives you a rough idea just how observant some people are... ;D ;D ;D ;D but we forget they "KNOW" everything.about everyone.

Why would lefties buy her book when lefties think she's a dog who drinks more metho than you ;D

cods wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 4:25pm:

have lost your way again grap... ::) ::)

says the metho drinker  ;D ;D

macman wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 5:02pm:

cods wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 4:24pm: Neferti wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 2:30pm: She's one ugly looking broad. Who, older than 6 wears a fringe?  ::) I did wonder about that......the fringe I mean.. I dont think we should judge anyone by the way they look.. but this person is spreading muck raking gossip.. for what reason and WHY? thats what puzzles me... maybe she needs the money knowing all the lefties will rush out and buy the book...and slurp it up...some one  listed two people that contributed to it..... wow!...and Savva and the left take it as gospel  ::) ::).. no axes to grind in parliament house of ::) course not!!!! crocodile wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 11:26am: Since Edward III died in 1377, Mrs Simpson must have been incredibly old when she finally passed in 1986. gives you a rough idea just how observant some people are... ;D ;D ;D ;D but we forget they "KNOW" everything.about everyone. Why are you trying to paint her as a leftie Cods?

cos cods doesn't know her ass from her face from drinking too much metho  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 4:24pm:

Peta awoke with a jerk.... and  leaning over to wake him up.. held a finger to her lips and whispered... "Tony!  I think the media is filming us through the window you left open!" http://cdn.charismanews.com/images/stories/2015/politics/TelevisionCameras-Reuters-618px.jpg

;D ;D ;D ;D

Quote:

Six years ago Savva wrote another book in which she confessed that “as a journalist I lied often, usually about my sources, but about other things, too”. She admitted she had a rule that politicians were either sources or targets and that “I learned to slice and dice anyone who … spoke to others and not me”. Credlin and Abbott would not speak to Savva. They would not feed her stories.

what a piece of garbage...  ::)

http://i978.photobucket.com/albums/ae269/oldpom/speccie2_thumb.jpg

I don't reckon anyone ought be surprised that Journalist just make up 'sources' to create a story.  It has been one of the (well....mine at least) major attacks on them over the years.  What is a surprise is her admission about it.

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 5:21pm:

Quote: Six years ago Savva wrote another book in which she confessed that “as a journalist I lied often, usually about my sources, but about other things, too”. She admitted she had a rule that politicians were either sources or targets and that “I learned to slice and dice anyone who … spoke to others and not me”. Credlin and Abbott would not speak to Savva. They would not feed her stories. what a piece of garbage...  ::) http://i978.photobucket.com/albums/ae269/oldpom/speccie2_thumb.jpg

Your beloved turncoat is behind all of this righties

cods wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 10:41am:

I havent a clue what you are ravin g about Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 10:23am: I look forward to your proof of above You have been following this story closely I see, have you read the book? what book... you mentioned several?.. Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 10:23am: I haven't, but I have seen reviews from people that have, Abbott's & Credlin's supposed sex life actually equals about 2 & a half sentences by their reports. Which begs the question, are we so debased that ANY innuendo amuses us plebs & therefore is the only thing focused on. if you are talking about savvas book... no...but what I am talking about is whats been said on here....and most headlines.... I gather you have read her book.... on ly two lines... are they the two lines that tell us the names of the informers????..... ::) ::) just wondering...]

I’m reading the book now, dear. Witnesses are all on the record.

Savva is not alleging an affair. She tells two stories about the intimacy between Abbott and Credlin: one, where he slaps her on the bottom and they have a giggle; two, the incident in the resturant, where Credlin feeds Abbott her food with her fork and rests her head on his shoulder.

The only mention of an affair is the Liberal senator, Connie Fierravanti-Wells, confronting Abbott with her concerns about the party’s perception. Abbott and Credlin are not coming out to defend rumours by Savva, but rumours from within their own party.

Having read this, I’m not in a position to know whether an affair took place at all. Savva says this too. Her book is not about an affair, but Abbott’s dependency on a woman who a majority of his party hated. Savva’s argument, shared by all the senior Liberal politicians she quotes, is that Abbott chose Credlin over the leadership. The backbenchers were clear after the first revolt: Credlin goes, or Abbott goes. Abbott told many of them he simply couldn’t do it. Abbott believed he couldn’t lead without Credlin.

And this is Savva’s point. Rumours about an affair are irrelevant. Abbott couldn’t govern without Credlin managing almost everything. He couldn’t travel overseas without her, and he looked lost without Credlin by his side in meetings.

This isn’t evidence of Abbott cheating on his wife, it’s evidence that our former prime minister could not stand on his own two feet. Fair enough - no man is an island. Abbott, however, gave the role of governing not to an elected official, cabinet or committee, but to a staffer.

And not just any old staffer, but one who bullied and micro-managed Abbott’s own colleagues. She even bullied Abbott himself. For some unknown reason, he tolerated it.

Whether this is evidence of an affair or not is trivial. It’s evidence of the government - and our system of governing - being undermined by an unelected control-freak. More importantly, it’s evidence of the prime minister himself being too weak to stop it, and too arrogant to listen to his colleagues - those elected officials we did vote for.

This is far more important than whether Abbott and Credlin were having an affair. Whether Abbott f cked Credlin is superfluous. She f cked him.

And ultimately, they both f cked us all.

well there you go...

I didn't think anyone would be so bloody stupid to actually read that garbage...  :o

well there you go...

or even pay money for it.. omg... cuckoo... cuckoo...  :D

the mechanic pretends he believes in imaginary strawmen, lol: i don't think so  8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

imagine calling yourself the mechanic and believing in strawmen, let alone in imaginary strawmen  ::) ::)

Gerbil johnny howard has weighed in to it and reckons he told dumb dumb to sack the slag and make hamlet treasurer  , hey dont shoot the messenger ,  hop in to johnny mongy  rightards  ;D

Its time wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 9:32pm:

Gerbil johnny howard has weighed in to it and reckons he told dumb dumb to sack the slag and make hamlet treasurer  , hey dont shoot the messenger ,  hop in to johnny mongy  rightards  ;D

Good point, we’ll need to revise the message. Mr Abbott was not the best prime minister since JW Howard, he’s the best prime minister since Menzies.

We’ve scrapped Fraser for obvious reasons.

SHAME FRASER SHAME.

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 7:36pm:

well there you go... I didn't think anyone would be so bloody stupid to actually read that garbage...  :o well there you go... or even pay money for it.. omg... cuckoo... cuckoo...  :D

I know, Mechanic. Unbelievable. A book.

I’ll put it away and read about it in Bolt’s column. Better yet, maybe you can provide some insight and I’ll read that.

I’m always keen to hear from sharp, unbiased political analysts, dear.

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 10:30pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 7:36pm: well there you go... I didn't think anyone would be so bloody stupid to actually read that garbage...  :o well there you go... or even pay money for it.. omg... cuckoo... cuckoo...  :D I know, Mechanic. Unbelievable. A book. I’ll put it away and read about it in Bolt’s column. Better yet, maybe you can provide some insight and I’ll read that. I’m always keen to hear from sharp, unbiased political analysts, dear.

You must love bouncing around in an echo chamber.

Jennifer wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 10:37pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 10:30pm: President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 7:36pm: well there you go... I didn't think anyone would be so bloody stupid to actually read that garbage...  :o well there you go... or even pay money for it.. omg... cuckoo... cuckoo...  :D I know, Mechanic. Unbelievable. A book. I’ll put it away and read about it in Bolt’s column. Better yet, maybe you can provide some insight and I’ll read that. I’m always keen to hear from sharp, unbiased political analysts, dear. You must love bouncing around in an echo chamber.

I most certainly do, Dago. That’s very astute of you. You’re new here, no? How did you find your way to our jolly board?

Karnal I was interested to hear Savva saying Abbott would cause more damage than  Rudd any more specifics in the book ?

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 10:48pm:

Jennifer wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 10:37pm: Melanias purse wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 10:30pm: President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 7:36pm: well there you go... I didn't think anyone would be so bloody stupid to actually read that garbage...  :o well there you go... or even pay money for it.. omg... cuckoo... cuckoo...  :D I know, Mechanic. Unbelievable. A book. I’ll put it away and read about it in Bolt’s column. Better yet, maybe you can provide some insight and I’ll read that. I’m always keen to hear from sharp, unbiased political analysts, dear. You must love bouncing around in an echo chamber. I most certainly do, Dago. That’s very astute of you. You’re new here, no? How did you find your way to our jolly board?

Doesn't matter how I found here, what matters is that you love bouncing about in an echo chamber.

Do you think that is healthy?

Its time wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 9:32pm:

Gerbil johnny howard has weighed in to it and reckons he told dumb dumb to sack the slag and make hamlet treasurer  , hey dont shoot the messenger ,  hop in to johnny mongy  rightards  ;D

Johnny weighed into the copper internet debate:... wait,  NO NO NO no he didn't  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Jennifer wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 11:25pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 10:48pm: Jennifer wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 10:37pm: Melanias purse wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 10:30pm: President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 7:36pm: well there you go... I didn't think anyone would be so bloody stupid to actually read that garbage...  :o well there you go... or even pay money for it.. omg... cuckoo... cuckoo...  :D I know, Mechanic. Unbelievable. A book. I’ll put it away and read about it in Bolt’s column. Better yet, maybe you can provide some insight and I’ll read that. I’m always keen to hear from sharp, unbiased political analysts, dear. You must love bouncing around in an echo chamber. I most certainly do, Dago. That’s very astute of you. You’re new here, no? How did you find your way to our jolly board? Doesn't matter how I found here, what matters is that you love bouncing about in an echo chamber. Do you think that is healthy?

oh noes: deflection- i think we have found 'the one' ::) ::) ::)

Jennifer wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 11:25pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 10:48pm: Jennifer wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 10:37pm: Melanias purse wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 10:30pm: President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 7:36pm: well there you go... I didn't think anyone would be so bloody stupid to actually read that garbage...  :o well there you go... or even pay money for it.. omg... cuckoo... cuckoo...  :D I know, Mechanic. Unbelievable. A book. I’ll put it away and read about it in Bolt’s column. Better yet, maybe you can provide some insight and I’ll read that. I’m always keen to hear from sharp, unbiased political analysts, dear. You must love bouncing around in an echo chamber. I most certainly do, Dago. That’s very astute of you. You’re new here, no? How did you find your way to our jolly board? Doesn't matter how I found here, what matters is that you love bouncing about in an echo chamber. Do you think that is healthy?

I’m not sure, Dago. I’m here having a jolly chat with you, when I’m not reading a Murdoch columnist and ex-Liberal staffer’s account of a very recent period of our history.

If you don’t mind my asking, how did  you get here? Something tells me we’ve met before.

You haven’t visited the Delhi rickshaw echo chamber, have you? I’m sure  I’ve seen you riding in a sedan chair with the Maharaja’s pips down the side.

A snake in the grass, is Savva. Actually that is offensive to snakes.

She is only after number 1. She is a pathological obsessed hatred of Abbott and she has failed to declare tha her husband is a Turnbull staffer.

matty wrote on Mar 11^th, 2016 at 12:53am:

A snake in the grass, is Savva. Actually that is offensive to snakes. She is only after number 1. She is a pathological obsessed hatred of Abbott and she has failed to declare tha her husband is a Turnbull staffer.

What do you think of Howard saying he told Mr Abort to sack his squeeze and make treacherous turncoat treasurer?

matty wrote on Mar 11^th, 2016 at 12:53am:

A snake in the grass, is Savva. Actually that is offensive to snakes. She is only after number 1. She is a pathological obsessed hatred of Abbott and she has failed to declare tha her husband is a Turnbull staffer.

I agree, Matty, she only put that in the first chapter of the book and said it on Insiders and Sky TV.

She should have been much more up front with this.

So typical of the leftards to lie and deceive like this. Who do they think they are?

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 11^th, 2016 at 12:45am:

Jennifer wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 11:25pm: Melanias purse wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 10:48pm: Jennifer wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 10:37pm: Melanias purse wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 10:30pm: President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 7:36pm: well there you go... I didn't think anyone would be so bloody stupid to actually read that garbage...  :o well there you go... or even pay money for it.. omg... cuckoo... cuckoo...  :D I know, Mechanic. Unbelievable. A book. I’ll put it away and read about it in Bolt’s column. Better yet, maybe you can provide some insight and I’ll read that. I’m always keen to hear from sharp, unbiased political analysts, dear. You must love bouncing around in an echo chamber. I most certainly do, Dago. That’s very astute of you. You’re new here, no? How did you find your way to our jolly board? Doesn't matter how I found here, what matters is that you love bouncing about in an echo chamber. Do you think that is healthy? I’m not sure, Dago. I’m here having a jolly chat with you, when I’m not reading a Murdoch columnist and ex-Liberal staffer’s account of a very recent period of our history. If you don’t mind my asking, how did  you get here? Something tells me we’ve met before. You haven’t visited the Delhi rickshaw echo chamber, have you? I’m sure  I’ve seen you riding in a sedan chair with the Maharaja’s pips down the side.

I, like yourself Karnal, am wondering whose sock the Dago is.  ;) ;)

Perhaps the sock is Peta herself.  Now that the truth about Tony banging the back out of her morning and night is out, whilst faithful Margie looks after the girls and her child minding duties, she needs to get the story changed somehow.

No wonder Tony always looked so tired and red eyed in Parliament.  BTW - looking at Pet's lily white skin it looks like the adage about baby batter might be true

Its time wrote on Mar 11^th, 2016 at 2:37am:

matty wrote on Mar 11th, 2016 at 12:53am: A snake in the grass, is Savva. Actually that is offensive to snakes. She is only after number 1. She is a pathological obsessed hatred of Abbott and she has failed to declare tha her husband is a Turnbull staffer. What do you think of Howard saying he told Mr Abort to sack his squeeze and make treacherous turncoat treasurer?

I think it says more about Abbott being his own man rather than a puppet ... get rid of Peta yes just for appearance sake.. but give turnbull a lift up NO WAY...we are seeing what a  pathetic PM he is.. gawd if he had been made treasurer....stumble stumble...hes a ditherer....

give me a break... in hindsight I am sure most people would not repeat something in their lives that gives them heartburn.... but its all too late...

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/prime-minister-malcolm-turnbulls-history-lesson/news-story/e221324cdc518d61e8783064531d34bc


read this if you havent already.....I think a lot of libs see whats happening this way.....I for one dont forgive easily they would really have to exceed any expectations and so far I have seen one little glimmer....

you may forgive your [double]turncoat but I am not so easily won over.

Jennifer wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 10:37pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 10:30pm: President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 7:36pm: well there you go... I didn't think anyone would be so bloody stupid to actually read that garbage...  :o well there you go... or even pay money for it.. omg... cuckoo... cuckoo...  :D I know, Mechanic. Unbelievable. A book. I’ll put it away and read about it in Bolt’s column. Better yet, maybe you can provide some insight and I’ll read that. I’m always keen to hear from sharp, unbiased political analysts, dear. You must love bouncing around in an echo chamber.

Oddly, that rings a bell..... lemme think now...

;D ;D ;D

rightards don't like it when one of their own speaks the truth

matty wrote on Mar 11^th, 2016 at 12:53am:

A snake in the grass, is Savva. Actually that is offensive to snakes. She is only after number 1. She is a pathological obsessed hatred of Abbott and she has failed to declare tha her husband is a Turnbull staffer.

-> lol, someone else dislikes savva: she's a bitc* but it's all a show to make it look like it's a balanced roundabout of more than two sides saying opposite drab dribbley stuff about nuffink innit  ::) :-? :-? :-?

Did savva rip off a widow's fund as well? 

Vic wrote on Mar 11^th, 2016 at 7:57pm:

Did savva rip off a widow's fund as well?

not yet ... but give Margie time. ;D ;D ;D

And yes, Howard was also interviewed for Savva’s book.

Ever get the feeling you’ve been cheated?

http://cdn.spectator.co.uk/content/uploads/2016/03/AUScover_120316_landscape.jpg

Soren wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 8:15am:

http://cdn.spectator.co.uk/content/uploads/2016/03/AUScover_120316_landscape.jpg

pricelss???....sadly its what our whole Parliament consists of....

its more than cringe worthy....dont tell me I am the only one that feels like that...  :( :(

whatever happened to stable govt??? >:(

cods wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 8:37am:

Soren wrote on Mar 12th, 2016 at 8:15am: http://cdn.spectator.co.uk/content/uploads/2016/03/AUScover_120316_landscape.jpg pricelss???....sadly its what our whole Parliament consists of.... its more than cringe worthy....dont tell me I am the only one that feels like that...  :( :( whatever happened to stable govt??? >:(

Good government starts pretty soon  :D

cods wrote on Mar 11^th, 2016 at 8:33am:

Its time wrote on Mar 11th, 2016 at 2:37am: matty wrote on Mar 11th, 2016 at 12:53am: A snake in the grass, is Savva. Actually that is offensive to snakes. She is only after number 1. She is a pathological obsessed hatred of Abbott and she has failed to declare tha her husband is a Turnbull staffer. What do you think of Howard saying he told Mr Abort to sack his squeeze and make treacherous turncoat treasurer? I think it says more about Abbott being his own man rather than a puppet ... get rid of Peta yes just for appearance sake.. but give turnbull a lift up NO WAY...we are seeing what a  pathetic PM he is.. gawd if he had been made treasurer....stumble stumble...hes a ditherer.... give me a break... in hindsight I am sure most people would not repeat something in their lives that gives them heartburn.... but its all too late... http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/prime-minister-malcolm-turnbulls-history-lesson/news-story/e221324cdc518d61e8783064531d34bc read this if you havent already.....I think a lot of libs see whats happening this way.....I for one dont forgive easily they would really have to exceed any expectations and so far I have seen one little glimmer.... you may forgive your [double]turncoat but I am not so easily won over.

Howard told Abbott to dump Hockey and make Turnbull treasurer and he also told him to dump Credlin, but we all know Abbott thinks with his old fella not his brain.
As for your rant about Turnbull when you put up a screen shot of your voting slip with the Liberals below Labor we might believe your  disgust. ::)
You're the epitome of someone that shoots the messenger.

cods wrote on Mar 11^th, 2016 at 8:33am:

Its time wrote on Mar 11th, 2016 at 2:37am: matty wrote on Mar 11th, 2016 at 12:53am: A snake in the grass, is Savva. Actually that is offensive to snakes. She is only after number 1. She is a pathological obsessed hatred of Abbott and she has failed to declare tha her husband is a Turnbull staffer. What do you think of Howard saying he told Mr Abort to sack his squeeze and make treacherous turncoat treasurer? I think it says more about Abbott being his own man rather than a puppet ... get rid of Peta yes just for appearance sake.. but give turnbull a lift up NO WAY...we are seeing what a  pathetic PM he is.. gawd if he had been made treasurer....stumble stumble...hes a ditherer.... give me a break... in hindsight I am sure most people would not repeat something in their lives that gives them heartburn.... but its all too late... http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/prime-minister-malcolm-turnbulls-history-lesson/news-story/e221324cdc518d61e8783064531d34bc read this if you havent already.....I think a lot of libs see whats happening this way.....I for one dont forgive easily they would really have to exceed any expectations and so far I have seen one little glimmer.... you may forgive your [double]turncoat but I am not so easily won over.

Do you think Hamlet would've tripled the budget deficit as treasurer instead of just doubling it like sloppy joe?