The Federal Liberals are in disarray. Allegations against Tony Abbott, Malcolm Turnbull appearing to lose control of the direction of his Party. Ministerial resignations it's all there.

The worst thing the Libs did to themselves was to assassinate their leader Tony Abbott.

You may not have liked him but there is no mistake he was a leader, Malcolm Turnbull isn't.

Is the impossible going to happen, is little Bill Shorten, shortening in the odds?

He is not a Leader's boot strap..Lord help us all!

No Howard Minister visited the mine when those two miners were trapped. Shorten was there.

Shorten is releasing policy, the government isn’t.

Shorten will do me.

A lot of people were and are disparaging about Treasurer Swan yet he oversaw a $180Bn fiscal consolidation.

Shorten will do me as PM until and unless he proves otherwise.

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 9:39am:

No Howard Minister visited the mine when those two miners were trapped. Shorten was there. Shorten is releasing policy, the government isn’t. Shorten will do me. A lot of people were and are disparaging about Treasurer Swan yet he oversaw a $180Bn fiscal consolidation. Shorten will do me as PM until and unless he proves otherwise.

Well there you go decision made..Now the retards can go back to who,s phucking who and who,s not paying ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

bwood1946 wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 9:43am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 9:39am: No Howard Minister visited the mine when those two miners were trapped. Shorten was there. Shorten is releasing policy, the government isn’t. Shorten will do me. A lot of people were and are disparaging about Treasurer Swan yet he oversaw a $180Bn fiscal consolidation. Shorten will do me as PM until and unless he proves otherwise. Well there you go decision made..Now the retards can go back to who,s phucking who and who,s not paying ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Durp durp diddly durp  what ?

red baron wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 9:33am:

You may not have lied liked him but there is no mistake he was a leader, Malcolm Turnbull isn't.

You have apparently missed the news that Abbott's leadership was so dysfunctional that Credlin was doing everything for him including breaching protocol and national security.

Abbott was manifestly unsuitable for the job of Prime Minister. It is a shame that we had to put up with two years of Abbott leading the government to learn that.

Abbott was a bumbling fool who couldn't answer questions from the media without careful preparation. This is why he avoided media scrutiny as much as possible. He had numerous other shortcomings. The only people who really followed Abbott were those who did it out of morbid curiosity.

Turnbull's weaknesses are also showing. His honeymoon is clearly over. His satisfaction rating has plunged since December. This loss of support is showing no signs of slowing, and he is taking the Coalition's support with it. Turnbull could be facing a September election with approval ratings much the same as they were in November 2009 shortly before he got rolled by Abbott. The voters saw through him in 2009 and there's every chance that they could do so again before a September election. That is why the government are talking up an early election - they know that if Turnbull had an extra two or three months in the job his shortcomings will be more apparent to the voters.

Meanwhile Shorten's ratings have steadily improved since December. Releasing policy has helped Shorten. The Shorten-led ALP are behaving like a Government - releasing policy - and the Abbott-Turnbull government are behaving like an Opposition - not releasing policy and trying the small-target strategy. This could well portend the fate of both if Shorten were to lead the ALP back into government.

Its time wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 9:47am:

bwood1946 wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 9:43am: Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 9:39am: No Howard Minister visited the mine when those two miners were trapped. Shorten was there. Shorten is releasing policy, the government isn’t. Shorten will do me. A lot of people were and are disparaging about Treasurer Swan yet he oversaw a $180Bn fiscal consolidation. Shorten will do me as PM until and unless he proves otherwise. Well there you go decision made..Now the retards can go back to who,s phucking who and who,s not paying ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Durp durp diddly durp  what ?

Best not feed the trolls.

red baron wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 9:33am:

The Federal Liberals are in disarray. Allegations against Tony Abbott, Malcolm Turnbull appearing to lose control of the direction of his Party. Ministerial resignations it's all there. The worst thing the Libs did to themselves was to assassinate their leader Tony Abbott. You may not have lied him but there is no mistake he was a leader, Malcolm Turnbull isn't. Is the impossible going to happen, is little Bill Shorten, shortening in the odds? He is not a Leader's boot strap..Lord help us all!

of course it was... I am still getting over.. they took the same road... :o :o :o :o

shock I think dopes that to you.. ::) ::)

and now look at them no better than labor at its worst.. paralyzed...... its like a Pop Up govt..

and the leader turncoat is frozen he doesnt know how to act.....and to see that twit shortarse try and make headway out of it is laughable..

he has at least two people krudd and gillard staring at him in utter  disbelief...

selective memory ... what?. ;D ;D ;D

cods wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 10:14am:

red baron wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 9:33am: The Federal Liberals are in disarray. Allegations against Tony Abbott, Malcolm Turnbull appearing to lose control of the direction of his Party. Ministerial resignations it's all there. The worst thing the Libs did to themselves was to assassinate their leader Tony Abbott. You may not have lied him but there is no mistake he was a leader, Malcolm Turnbull isn't. Is the impossible going to happen, is little Bill Shorten, shortening in the odds? He is not a Leader's boot strap..Lord help us all! of course it was... I am still getting over.. they took the same road... :o :o :o :o shock I think dopes that to you.. ::) ::) and now look at them no better than labor at its worst.. paralyzed...... its like a Pop Up govt.. and the leader turncoat is frozen he doesnt know how to act.....and to see that twit shortarse try and make headway out of it is laughable.. he has at least two people krudd and gillard staring at him in utter  disbelief... selective memory ... what?. ;D ;D ;D

Shock i think dopes that to you , even google translate doesn't know what you're on about  :D

Is brainstrust1946 your sock Cods ?

red baron wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 9:33am:

The Federal Liberals are in disarray. Allegations against Tony Abbott, Malcolm Turnbull appearing to lose control of the direction of his Party. Ministerial resignations it's all there. The worst thing the Libs did to themselves was to assassinate their leader Tony Abbott. You may not have liked him but there is no mistake he was a leader, Malcolm Turnbull isn't. Is the impossible going to happen, is little Bill Shorten, shortening in the odds? He is not a Leader's boot strap..Lord help us all!

If Abbott was still leader the libs would be headed for certain anhialation. Abbott was so bad that when he was deposed the public didn't care who Turnbull was - other than he wasn't Abbott. The 'not being Abbott' factor was the single cause of the libs turnaround in the polls. Now that the public is getting past the overwhelming relief of Abbott leaving, they are starting to think more calmly about who has replaced him. And it shouldn't be a surprise that Turnbull is proving to be a bit of a dud. Not surprising because as Bam pointed out, this isn't the first time he has been judged by the public to be a dud. He is proving a dud in two ways: 1. he can't unify the party after the trauma of the overthrow and 2. he completely lacks the courage required to take the policy initiative - instead opting to bunker down and not offer anything bold on the policy front until after the election. His strategy in achieving this seems to be to pretend he is starting this great discussion for tax reform - trying to convince us that he is approaching the policy front in a calm and measured way. It is clear now that this tactic has completely backfired - culminating in his treasurer becoming a laughing stock for speaking nothing but waffle.

What I find interesting in this period of the political cycle is that for once the polls are not being driven by personality, but by the public's seeming interest in who is creating the right policy - or in labor's case, any policy at all.

Its time wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 9:47am:

bwood1946 wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 9:43am: Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 9:39am: No Howard Minister visited the mine when those two miners were trapped. Shorten was there. Shorten is releasing policy, the government isn’t. Shorten will do me. A lot of people were and are disparaging about Treasurer Swan yet he oversaw a $180Bn fiscal consolidation. Shorten will do me as PM until and unless he proves otherwise. Well there you go decision made..Now the retards can go back to who,s phucking who and who,s not paying ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Durp durp diddly durp  what ?

The mindless always resort to abuse. I dont think I've ever read a post from her that wasn't pure abuse.

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 9:39am:

No Howard Minister visited the mine when those two miners were trapped. Shorten was there. Shorten is releasing policy, the government isn’t. Shorten will do me. A lot of people were and are disparaging about Treasurer Swan yet he oversaw a $180Bn fiscal consolidation. Shorten will do me as PM until and unless he proves otherwise.

Shorten was there as a Union hack. What good could having a Howard government (or any government) minister there do? Absolutely none. they'd have gotten in the way if anything.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 10:50am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 9:39am: No Howard Minister visited the mine when those two miners were trapped. Shorten was there. Shorten is releasing policy, the government isn’t. Shorten will do me. A lot of people were and are disparaging about Treasurer Swan yet he oversaw a $180Bn fiscal consolidation. Shorten will do me as PM until and unless he proves otherwise. Shorten was there as a Union hack. What good could having a Howard government (or any government) minister there do? Absolutely none. they'd have gotten in the way if anything.

So a Union honcho attending an industrial accident site is somehow a bad thing?

amazing.. simply amazing...

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 10:57am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 10:50am: Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 9:39am: No Howard Minister visited the mine when those two miners were trapped. Shorten was there. Shorten is releasing policy, the government isn’t. Shorten will do me. A lot of people were and are disparaging about Treasurer Swan yet he oversaw a $180Bn fiscal consolidation. Shorten will do me as PM until and unless he proves otherwise. Shorten was there as a Union hack. What good could having a Howard government (or any government) minister there do? Absolutely none. they'd have gotten in the way if anything. So a Union honcho attending an industrial accident site is somehow a bad thing? amazing.. simply amazing...

Actually I never said that. Please show us where I said that.

red baron wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 9:33am:

The Federal Liberals are in disarray. Allegations against Tony Abbott, Malcolm Turnbull appearing to lose control of the direction of his Party. Ministerial resignations it's all there. The worst thing the Libs did to themselves was to assassinate their leader Tony Abbott. You may not have liked him but there is no mistake he was a leader, Malcolm Turnbull isn't. Is the impossible going to happen, is little Bill Shorten, shortening in the odds? He is not a Leader's boot strap..Lord help us all!

You think copper internet makes the clever country that people actually died for worth leading?

Son, you need to take a break on the crack pipe  ::) ::)

bwood1946 wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 9:43am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 9:39am: No Howard Minister visited the mine when those two miners were trapped. Shorten was there. Shorten is releasing policy, the government isn’t. Shorten will do me. A lot of people were and are disparaging about Treasurer Swan yet he oversaw a $180Bn fiscal consolidation. Shorten will do me as PM until and unless he proves otherwise. Well there you go decision made..Now the retards can go back to who,s phucking who and who,s not paying ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

..another idiot forgetting that copper internet is the worlds biggest joke: all employed by the super economy of the antipodes no les  :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[

Some say pride always comes before a fall: some say the opposite  :'(

Turnbull will not lose the next election - but if he did, Abbott would be able to be Lazarus with a Quadruple Bypass/Lung transplant, MARK II. He could be opposition leader again, demolish his third Labor PM and then reign for 30 years......

Turnbull and the Libs’ star is sinking and has months of thinking to do up to July or more likely Sep-Oct. The govt is using a small target strategy!

There is every chance Turnbul will lose the next election. If he does abbott even if appointed LOTO won’t be able to turn things around. The Libs have developed no policies to speak off, except for austerity which is the wrong setting for now. Abbott would make it 12 years with no policy development—the Libs would disintegrate.

Frank wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 7:32pm:

Turnbull will not lose the next election - but if he did, Abbott would be able to be Lazarus with a Quadruple Bypass/Lung transplant, MARK II. He could be opposition leader again, demolish his third Labor PM and then reign for 30 years......

..says the joke who thinks copper internet IS the Asian century we built: people died for this  ::) ::)

-> Australia is the internets biggest joke, full stop!

Bye Bye sideshow-Mal!  :o :o

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 7:36pm:

Turnbull and the Libs’ star is sinking and has months of thinking to do up to July or more likely Sep-Oct. The govt is using a small target strategy! There is every chance Turnbul will use the next election. If he does abbott even if appointed LOTO won’t be able to turn things around. The Libs have developed no policies to speak off, except for austerity which is the wrong setting for now. Abbott would make it 12 years with no policy development—the Libs would disintegrate.

Checkout this out: ...this nation once was proud bro!

Copper Internet aint cutting it with no young voters and the oldies all now have no excuse to know it was all for paper profits considering colin Barnett couldn't even say the word boom  :o :o :o

Turnbull is fingered: why did he bother?

:-[ :-[
:)

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red baron wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 9:33am:

The Federal Liberals are in disarray. Allegations against Tony Abbott, Malcolm Turnbull appearing to lose control of the direction of his Party. Ministerial resignations it's all there. The worst thing the Libs did to themselves was to assassinate their leader Tony Abbott. You may not have liked him but there is no mistake he was a leader, Malcolm Turnbull isn't. Is the impossible going to happen, is little Bill Shorten, shortening in the odds? He is not a Leader's boot strap..Lord help us all!

its going to be pulling a rabbit out of a hat time..

I get the feeling now that they are holding back to pull all of their goodies out during the coming election campaign...

shhhh... ;)

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 8:19pm:

red baron wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 9:33am: The Federal Liberals are in disarray. Allegations against Tony Abbott, Malcolm Turnbull appearing to lose control of the direction of his Party. Ministerial resignations it's all there. The worst thing the Libs did to themselves was to assassinate their leader Tony Abbott. You may not have liked him but there is no mistake he was a leader, Malcolm Turnbull isn't. Is the impossible going to happen, is little Bill Shorten, shortening in the odds? He is not a Leader's boot strap..Lord help us all! its going to be pulling a rabbit out of a hat time.. I get the feeling now that they are holding back to pull all of their goodies out during the coming election campaign... shhhh... ;)

lol, backflips on the NBN ay  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

GO THE ASIAN CENTURY THIS COUNTRY BUILT THAT YOUR FAMILY DIED FOR AY BRO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YEH,.. WE ALL KNOW BRO  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

- GO k888 YOURSLEF MAGGOT   8-)

Frank wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 7:32pm:

Turnbull will not lose the next election - but if he did, Abbott would be able to be Lazarus with a Quadruple Bypass/Lung transplant, MARK II. He could be opposition leader again, demolish his third Labor PM and then reign for 30 years......

;D ;D

Delusional fantasy, especially the part about Abbott.

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 8:19pm:

red baron wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 9:33am: The Federal Liberals are in disarray. Allegations against Tony Abbott, Malcolm Turnbull appearing to lose control of the direction of his Party. Ministerial resignations it's all there. The worst thing the Libs did to themselves was to assassinate their leader Tony Abbott. You may not have liked him but there is no mistake he was a leader, Malcolm Turnbull isn't. Is the impossible going to happen, is little Bill Shorten, shortening in the odds? He is not a Leader's boot strap..Lord help us all! its going to be pulling a rabbit out of a hat time.. I get the feeling now that they are holding back to pull all of their goodies out during the coming election campaign... shhhh... ;)

If you want to see the kind of goodies the ALP can bash the Liberals with, check out the Coalition corruption thread sometime.

Bam wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 8:44pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 7:32pm: Turnbull will not lose the next election - but if he did, Abbott would be able to be Lazarus with a Quadruple Bypass/Lung transplant, MARK II. He could be opposition leader again, demolish his third Labor PM and then reign for 30 years...... ;D ;D Delusional fantasy, especially the part about Abbott.

Was good for a giggle though  ;D

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 8:19pm:

red baron wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 9:33am: The Federal Liberals are in disarray. Allegations against Tony Abbott, Malcolm Turnbull appearing to lose control of the direction of his Party. Ministerial resignations it's all there. The worst thing the Libs did to themselves was to assassinate their leader Tony Abbott. You may not have liked him but there is no mistake he was a leader, Malcolm Turnbull isn't. Is the impossible going to happen, is little Bill Shorten, shortening in the odds? He is not a Leader's boot strap..Lord help us all! its going to be pulling a rabbit out of a hat time.. I get the feeling now that they are holding back to pull all of their goodies out during the coming election campaign... shhhh... ;)

Pull out all their goodies.

Blind faith in a failing Party.

The wrong economic policies—neoconservatism and austerity, neither right, austerity is wrong for right now.

No policies developed over 8 years. A Leader with no guts, no spine, no policies, bound to the ultraright of the Lib & Nat Party not popular with 99% of the population. But this bunch of visionless hacks are going to pul out all their goodies, oh jeeesusss!

Quote:

Turning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity. -- Y.B.Yeats, "The Second Coming", 1919

the most astonishing thing for me is just how gullible the rightards are


they were told Abbott would never make a good PM, but nooooooo, they wouldn't listen

they were told the libs 'policies' (for lack of a better word) before the election didn't add up, but noooooooooooo they wouldn't listen

they were told the libs had no direction, but nooooooooooo they wouldn't listen.

they were told the libs would not be able to keep it's promises, but nooooooooooo, they wouldn't listen

they were told the liberal version of the NBN was crap, but nooooooooo they wouldn't listen



it was obvious to everyone with at least half a brain that the libs were a joke and the id iots still voted for them. Rightards are like 2 year olds having a tantrum because they dropped their lollipop... reasoning and logic just doesn't work with them. Sure, labor had its problems with it's personalities, but they were at least doing a pretty good job of running the country.

This whole Right v Left is just nonsensical.

People do (and should) vote based on their own principles.

1. Whats good for their family.
2. What is good for their job prospects and career stability.
3. What is good for their taxation
4. What is good for their superannuation.
5. What is good for law and order in their community
6. What is good for the country's border and security (eg keep out people we don't want)
7. What is good for their own children's education
8. Good for their healthcare and personal/family well being

Often when I look at all those things and I weigh it up, in Australia it has historically been the Liberal Party and in the UK it has been the Conservatives which have provided to me the best options on all of those things.

I don't go in for fads of the common good and the like. It's all airey fairy stuff.
Look after yourself and your family. THAT is what you should vote on.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 10:18pm:

I don't go in for fads of the common good and the like. It's all airey fairy stuff. Look after yourself and your family. THAT is what you should vote on.

and that's why we are giving welfare to people on over $100 000 a year  :D :D :D

your kids will pay for your greed Andrei. Better if you pay now then they later.

John Smith wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 10:19pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 10:18pm: I don't go in for fads of the common good and the like. It's all airey fairy stuff. Look after yourself and your family. THAT is what you should vote on. and that's why we are giving welfare to people on over $100 000 a year  :D :D :D your kids will pay for your greed Andrei. Better if you pay now then they later.

What exactly are my girls going to pay for?

They are growing up enjoying life, they are well looked after and they will contribute to society much like my missus and I have.
I have every faith in the two girls that they will be just fine.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 10:21pm:

What exactly are my girls going to pay for? They are growing up enjoying life, they are well looked after and they will contribute to society much like my missus and I have. I have every faith in the two girls that they will be just fine.

this generations greed.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 10:18pm:

This whole Right v Left is just nonsensical. People do (and should) vote based on their own principles. 1. Whats good for their family. 2. What is good for their job prospects and career stability. 3. What is good for their taxation 4. What is good for their superannuation. 5. What is good for law and order in their community 6. What is good for the country's border and security (eg keep out people we don't want) 7. What is good for their own children's education 8. Good for their healthcare and personal/family well being Often when I look at all those things and I weigh it up, in Australia it has historically been the Liberal Party and in the UK it has been the Conservatives which have provided to me the best options on all of those things. I don't go in for fads of the common good and the like. It's all airey fairy stuff. Look after yourself and your family. THAT is what you should vote on.

We aren't all bugger******** in the head like you bro:  :D

John Smith wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 10:22pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 10:21pm: What exactly are my girls going to pay for? They are growing up enjoying life, they are well looked after and they will contribute to society much like my missus and I have. I have every faith in the two girls that they will be just fine. this generations greed.

If you saw the amount of tax I pay per year, you would hardly call me not contributing....

Strange that some get services for free, pay in next to bugger all into the pot, then moan that some of us get so much more than them....

Which ones are the greedy ones again?

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 10:26pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 10:22pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 10:21pm: What exactly are my girls going to pay for? They are growing up enjoying life, they are well looked after and they will contribute to society much like my missus and I have. I have every faith in the two girls that they will be just fine. this generations greed. If you saw the amount of tax I pay per year, you would hardly call me not contributing.... Strange that some get services for free, pay in next to bugger all into the pot, then moan that some of us get so much more than them.... Which ones are the greedy ones again?

big shot is the only one on a paycheck  ;D ;D ;D

hey buddy: you the only one with kids aswelll ?

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 10:26pm:

If you saw the amount of tax I pay per year, you would hardly call me not contributing.... Strange that some get services for free, pay in next to bugger all into the pot, then moan that some of us get so much more than them.... Which ones are the greedy ones again?

yes Andrei, you pay a lot of tax .... you also earn a lot more than most . I'm not talking about the tax you pay anyway, it's the wealthfare that's gotta stop. Whats the point in collecting it if they just hand it back? govt. is there to act as a safety net for those unable to look after themselves. It shouldn't just be handing it back to those that don't need it (me included)

have a look at the LNP corruption thread for starters and ask yourself who do the LNP favour

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 10:18pm:

This whole Right v Left is just nonsensical. People do (and should) vote based on their own principles. 1. Whats good for their family. 2. What is good for their job prospects and career stability. 3. What is good for their taxation 4. What is good for their superannuation. 5. What is good for law and order in their community 6. What is good for the country's border and security (eg keep out people we don't want) 7. What is good for their own children's education 8. Good for their healthcare and personal/family well being Often when I look at all those things and I weigh it up, in Australia it has historically been the Liberal Party and in the UK it has been the Conservatives which have provided to me the best options on all of those things. I don't go in for fads of the common good and the like. It's all airey fairy stuff. Look after yourself and your family. THAT is what you should vote on.

what you should vote for is

What is good for the country. Where will the country be in 30, 40 50 years time
What is good for the community you live in
What infrastructure is plan to be built and what is being built
Are we going to be good neighbours to other counties
How can we help people that are worst off then us


Not vote for me me me all the time

2 new 3 word slogans for the liberal party supporters

ME ME ME

NOW NOW NOW

To give one example why have the current government frozen super? call me cynical but I see a government who panders to business

oh dear wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 10:45pm:

To give one example why have the current government frozen super? call me cynical but I see a government who panders to business

Frozen super and wage growth

oh dear wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 10:45pm:

To give one example why have the current government frozen super? call me cynical but I see a government who panders to business

I can tell you from a viewpoint of a Corporate global view on Operating Expense and cost of labour is that Australia's TCOW (Total Cost of Workforce) which is in essence a variable cost to the business is significantly higher than other countries - primarily as a result of deferred compensation schemes such as Superannuation.

The same worker we emply in the UK we need to pay deferred comp of around 2-3%, for Australia it will go up to as high as 12%.

That's an additional 12% where we just don't have to pay it elsewhere so when you look at investment into countries, Australia is very high to employ local people - unless we can bring in people from outside on temporary agreements.

So the Australian Government is correct on reviewing this because it is a cost to business and it is a cost to the country on its competitive advantage.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 11:05pm:

oh dear wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 10:45pm: To give one example why have the current government frozen super? call me cynical but I see a government who panders to business I can tell you from a viewpoint of a Corporate global view on Operating Expense and cost of labour is that Australia's TCOW (Total Cost of Workforce) which is in essence a variable cost to the business is significantly higher than other countries - primarily as a result of deferred compensation schemes such as Superannuation. The same worker we emply in the UK we need to pay deferred comp of around 2-3%, for Australia it will go up to as high as 12%. That's an additional 12% where we just don't have to pay it elsewhere so when you look at investment into countries, Australia is very high to employ local people - unless we can bring in people from outside on temporary agreements. So the Australian Government is correct on reviewing this because it is a cost to business and it is a cost to the country on its competitive advantage.

Do you really expect the economic illiterates on this website to understand what you have said? These left wing clueless gumps would have their hemarroids explode if they managed a thought that was related to the real world.

Jennifer wrote on Mar 9^th, 2016 at 12:04am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 11:05pm: oh dear wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 10:45pm: To give one example why have the current government frozen super? call me cynical but I see a government who panders to business I can tell you from a viewpoint of a Corporate global view on Operating Expense and cost of labour is that Australia's TCOW (Total Cost of Workforce) which is in essence a variable cost to the business is significantly higher than other countries - primarily as a result of deferred compensation schemes such as Superannuation. The same worker we emply in the UK we need to pay deferred comp of around 2-3%, for Australia it will go up to as high as 12%. That's an additional 12% where we just don't have to pay it elsewhere so when you look at investment into countries, Australia is very high to employ local people - unless we can bring in people from outside on temporary agreements. So the Australian Government is correct on reviewing this because it is a cost to business and it is a cost to the country on its competitive advantage. Do you really expect the economic illiterates on this website to understand what you have said? These left wing clueless gumps would have their hemarroids explode if they managed a thought that was related to the real world.

So let me get this right... you abhor superannuation, social security, etc.... then expect a society to fund its retirees, its ill, its insane, its unemployed etc.... from where?

From one who can't  spell haemorrhoids (I was once an Army medic) you are quite adamant.. and here I was thinking you might be John Smith in disguise...

Andrei - you are always free not to trade here, and I suspect we would do far better without you and your 'global market' ... in Rome do as the Aussies do.... or eat it.

I don't see anyone holding a gun to your head to trade here, so what is it that draws your vampyre company here? ...... Shoosh.... begone.. get thee behind me..... if you can't keep up with a global market that requires that, like any business, you need to view your costings as an overall thing and not seek to imply that since you want to remain open on Sunday for the best trade or in Australia for the best trade... somehow that will 'cost' you more... you need to leave the building.

Talk about 'economic illiterates'.... some have degrees in accounting...

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 9^th, 2016 at 12:34am:

Jennifer wrote on Mar 9th, 2016 at 12:04am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 11:05pm: oh dear wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 10:45pm: To give one example why have the current government frozen super? call me cynical but I see a government who panders to business I can tell you from a viewpoint of a Corporate global view on Operating Expense and cost of labour is that Australia's TCOW (Total Cost of Workforce) which is in essence a variable cost to the business is significantly higher than other countries - primarily as a result of deferred compensation schemes such as Superannuation. The same worker we emply in the UK we need to pay deferred comp of around 2-3%, for Australia it will go up to as high as 12%. That's an additional 12% where we just don't have to pay it elsewhere so when you look at investment into countries, Australia is very high to employ local people - unless we can bring in people from outside on temporary agreements. So the Australian Government is correct on reviewing this because it is a cost to business and it is a cost to the country on its competitive advantage. Do you really expect the economic illiterates on this website to understand what you have said? These left wing clueless gumps would have their hemarroids explode if they managed a thought that was related to the real world. So let me get this right... you abhor superannuation, social security, etc.... then expect a society to fund its retirees, its ill, its insane, its unemployed etc.... from where? From one who can't  spell haemorrhoids (I was once an Army medic) you are quite adamant.. and here I was thinking you might be John Smith in disguise... Andrei - you are always free not to trade here, and I suspect we would do far better without you and your 'global market' ... in Rome do as the Aussies do.... or eat it. I don't see anyone holding a gun to your head to trade here, so what is it that draws your vampyre company here? ...... Shoosh.... begone.. get thee behind me..... if you can't keep up with a global market that requires that, like any business, you need to view your costings as an overall thing and not seek to imply that since you want to remain open on Sunday for the best trade or in Australia for the best trade... somehow that will 'cost' you more... you need to leave the building. Talk about 'economic illiterates'.... some have degrees in accounting...

So let me get this right, you enjoy making strawman arguments?

Nope - just shot you both down in flames.... you no like... you leave....

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 9^th, 2016 at 12:38am:

Nope - just shot you both down in flames.... you no like... you leave....

Looks like you missed your target by miles. I'm sure your partners feel as much disappointment as you feel elated by your "performance".

John Smith wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 10:22pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 10:21pm: What exactly are my girls going to pay for? They are growing up enjoying life, they are well looked after and they will contribute to society much like my missus and I have. I have every faith in the two girls that they will be just fine. this generations greed.

Perhaps you can help this generation by lowering rents and prices on houses.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 9^th, 2016 at 7:32am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 10:22pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 10:21pm: What exactly are my girls going to pay for? They are growing up enjoying life, they are well looked after and they will contribute to society much like my missus and I have. I have every faith in the two girls that they will be just fine. this generations greed. Perhaps you can help this generation by lowering rents and prices on houses.

I don't set any prices on rents or houses

John Smith wrote on Mar 9^th, 2016 at 7:36am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 9th, 2016 at 7:32am: John Smith wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 10:22pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 10:21pm: What exactly are my girls going to pay for? They are growing up enjoying life, they are well looked after and they will contribute to society much like my missus and I have. I have every faith in the two girls that they will be just fine. this generations greed. Perhaps you can help this generation by lowering rents and prices on houses. I don't set any prices on rents or houses

But you receive a commission, don't you?

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 9^th, 2016 at 7:37am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 9th, 2016 at 7:36am: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 9th, 2016 at 7:32am: John Smith wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 10:22pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 10:21pm: What exactly are my girls going to pay for? They are growing up enjoying life, they are well looked after and they will contribute to society much like my missus and I have. I have every faith in the two girls that they will be just fine. this generations greed. Perhaps you can help this generation by lowering rents and prices on houses. I don't set any prices on rents or houses But you receive a commission, don't you?

and?

Give some of your commission back to the renters and buyers.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 9^th, 2016 at 7:42am:

Give some of your commission back to the renters and buyers.

why?  Is anyone else asking you to work for free? are you vying for some id iot of the year award?

we're talking about govt. handouts. If you have nothing to say on it, you'd do well to shut up instead of making a complete fool of yourself.

Labor voter wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 10:36pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 10:18pm: This whole Right v Left is just nonsensical. People do (and should) vote based on their own principles. 1. Whats good for their family. 2. What is good for their job prospects and career stability. 3. What is good for their taxation 4. What is good for their superannuation. 5. What is good for law and order in their community 6. What is good for the country's border and security (eg keep out people we don't want) 7. What is good for their own children's education 8. Good for their healthcare and personal/family well being Often when I look at all those things and I weigh it up, in Australia it has historically been the Liberal Party and in the UK it has been the Conservatives which have provided to me the best options on all of those things. I don't go in for fads of the common good and the like. It's all airey fairy stuff. Look after yourself and your family. THAT is what you should vote on. what you should vote for is What is good for the country. Where will the country be in 30, 40 50 years time What is good for the community you live in What infrastructure is plan to be built and what is being built Are we going to be good neighbours to other counties How can we help people that are worst off then us Not vote for me me me all the time 2 new 3 word slogans for the liberal party supporters ME ME ME NOW NOW NOW

Well Andrei is a jew after all so what does one expect!

John Smith wrote on Mar 9^th, 2016 at 7:47am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 9th, 2016 at 7:42am: Give some of your commission back to the renters and buyers. why?  Is anyone else asking you to work for free? are you vying for some id iot of the year award? .

Typical hypocritical "progressive", wants everyone else to pay more for others yet keeps all his to himself. Let your wife smack you over the head again. You deserve it.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 9^th, 2016 at 7:56am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 9th, 2016 at 7:47am: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 9th, 2016 at 7:42am: Give some of your commission back to the renters and buyers. why?  Is anyone else asking you to work for free? are you vying for some id iot of the year award? . Typical hypocritical "progressive", wants everyone else to pay more for others yet keeps all his to himself. Let your wife smack you over the head again. You deserve it.

so you are vying for id iot of the year. The discussion is about cuts to government wealthfare, including mine. No ones asked anyone to pay more. Try to keep up

John Smith wrote on Mar 9^th, 2016 at 7:59am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 9th, 2016 at 7:56am: John Smith wrote on Mar 9th, 2016 at 7:47am: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 9th, 2016 at 7:42am: Give some of your commission back to the renters and buyers. why?  Is anyone else asking you to work for free? are you vying for some id iot of the year award? . Typical hypocritical "progressive", wants everyone else to pay more for others yet keeps all his to himself. Let your wife smack you over the head again. You deserve it. so you are vying for id iot of the year. The discussion is about cuts to government wealthfare, including mine. No ones asked anyone to pay more. Try to keep up

Spare me your attempt to side track. You're always one of the first losers here to whinge about how others should be paying more. Such hypocrisy is why I departed the left long ago. Let your wife smack you over the head again.

side track?  ;D ;D ;D ;D

perhaps you should start at the first post and work your way forward from there.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 9^th, 2016 at 8:03am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 9th, 2016 at 7:59am: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 9th, 2016 at 7:56am: John Smith wrote on Mar 9th, 2016 at 7:47am: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 9th, 2016 at 7:42am: Give some of your commission back to the renters and buyers. why?  Is anyone else asking you to work for free? are you vying for some id iot of the year award? . Typical hypocritical "progressive", wants everyone else to pay more for others yet keeps all his to himself. Let your wife smack you over the head again. You deserve it. so you are vying for id iot of the year. The discussion is about cuts to government wealthfare, including mine. No ones asked anyone to pay more. Try to keep up Spare me your attempt to side track. You're always one of the first losers here to whinge about how others should be paying more. Such hypocrisy is why I departed the left long ago. Let your wife smack you over the head again.

You're looking for reasons to justify why you are a rightie, end of!

You seem uncomfortable  ;D ;D

Jennifer wrote on Mar 9^th, 2016 at 12:37am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 9th, 2016 at 12:34am: Jennifer wrote on Mar 9th, 2016 at 12:04am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 11:05pm: oh dear wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 10:45pm: To give one example why have the current government frozen super? call me cynical but I see a government who panders to business I can tell you from a viewpoint of a Corporate global view on Operating Expense and cost of labour is that Australia's TCOW (Total Cost of Workforce) which is in essence a variable cost to the business is significantly higher than other countries - primarily as a result of deferred compensation schemes such as Superannuation. The same worker we emply in the UK we need to pay deferred comp of around 2-3%, for Australia it will go up to as high as 12%. That's an additional 12% where we just don't have to pay it elsewhere so when you look at investment into countries, Australia is very high to employ local people - unless we can bring in people from outside on temporary agreements. So the Australian Government is correct on reviewing this because it is a cost to business and it is a cost to the country on its competitive advantage. Do you really expect the economic illiterates on this website to understand what you have said? These left wing clueless gumps would have their hemarroids explode if they managed a thought that was related to the real world. So let me get this right... you abhor superannuation, social security, etc.... then expect a society to fund its retirees, its ill, its insane, its unemployed etc.... from where? From one who can't  spell haemorrhoids (I was once an Army medic) you are quite adamant.. and here I was thinking you might be John Smith in disguise... Andrei - you are always free not to trade here, and I suspect we would do far better without you and your 'global market' ... in Rome do as the Aussies do.... or eat it. I don't see anyone holding a gun to your head to trade here, so what is it that draws your vampyre company here? ...... Shoosh.... begone.. get thee behind me..... if you can't keep up with a global market that requires that, like any business, you need to view your costings as an overall thing and not seek to imply that since you want to remain open on Sunday for the best trade or in Australia for the best trade... somehow that will 'cost' you more... you need to leave the building. Talk about 'economic illiterates'.... some have degrees in accounting... So let me get this right, you enjoy making strawman arguments?

You never attack Andrei for raising strawman arguments: why?

:o

.

Its time wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 8:47pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 8:44pm: Frank wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 7:32pm: Turnbull will not lose the next election - but if he did, Abbott would be able to be Lazarus with a Quadruple Bypass/Lung transplant, MARK II. He could be opposition leader again, demolish his third Labor PM and then reign for 30 years...... ;D ;D Delusional fantasy, especially the part about Abbott. Was good for a giggle though  ;D

Can you imagine?

Someone said somewhere that with Turnbull in the chair, we now know what a Peacock government would have looked like!!!!

;D

If Turnbull lost - he won't - but if he did by some miracle, he would not stick around to be opposition leader. So who would fill the void? Scott Mo? Afur? Julie?

Abbott is a natural opposition leader.

Frank wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2016 at 5:19pm:

Its time wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 8:47pm: Bam wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 8:44pm: Frank wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 7:32pm: Turnbull will not lose the next election - but if he did, Abbott would be able to be Lazarus with a Quadruple Bypass/Lung transplant, MARK II. He could be opposition leader again, demolish his third Labor PM and then reign for 30 years...... ;D ;D Delusional fantasy, especially the part about Abbott. Was good for a giggle though  ;D Can you imagine? Someone said somewhere that with Turnbull in the chair, we now know what a Peacock government would have looked like!!!! ;D If Turnbull lost - he won't - but if he did by some miracle, he would not stick around to be opposition leader. So who would fill the void? Scott Mo? Afur? Julie? Abbott is a natural opposition leader.

Unlikely he would be given another shot at the gig although the options are pretty thin at team Libtard so i wont say never , we will find out in a few months  ;)