http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-02/western-australia-mining-investment/7215066


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Western Australia has returned to the top spot in a key global survey of attractive mining investment destinations, after slipping down the ranking in 2014. Canadian think-tank the Fraser Institute conducts the survey each year and found WA was the most attractive jurisdiction in the world for investing in 2015, after falling to fourth in 2014. Saskatchewan in Canada came in at second spot while the US state of Nevada slipped to third. The independent research group surveyed around 4,000 mining companies to gauge their views on the most attractive investment destinations. The companies were asked to rate each jurisdiction based on geological endowment, government policies, time taken to get approvals, security, sovereign risk, and attitude towards exploration investment. WA's Minister for Mines and Petroleum Bill Marmion said the rating was a welcome surprise, adding the State Government had worked to significantly reduce the time to get a mine into production.Western Australia has returned to the top spot in a key global survey of attractive mining investment destinations, after slipping down the ranking in 2014. Canadian think-tank the Fraser Institute conducts the survey each year and found WA was the most attractive jurisdiction in the world for investing in 2015, after falling to fourth in 2014. Saskatchewan in Canada came in at second spot while the US state of Nevada slipped to third. The independent research group surveyed around 4,000 mining companies to gauge their views on the most attractive investment destinations. The companies were asked to rate each jurisdiction based on geological endowment, government policies, time taken to get approvals, security, sovereign risk, and attitude towards exploration investment. WA's Minister for Mines and Petroleum Bill Marmion said the rating was a welcome surprise, adding the State Government had worked to significantly reduce the time to get a mine into production.  :) "In the last year the mine rehabilitation funds [have] come through, we've maintained our exploration incentive scheme and we've been investing in the Minerals Research Institute of WA," he said. "One of the other things that I think is a real tangible benefit is they've actually seen on the ground, mining exploration turning into mining production." Mr Marmion cited the short time it took to get the Nova nickel mine from discovery to production as a positive story from the sector. "We've been working very hard, getting rid of red tape through the approvals process, that's in both my department and also in Aboriginal heritage," he said. "Mining companies are doing it tough but regardless of that mining companies throughout the world have still ranked Western Australia in these tougher times the best place to invest your money."

......WA is more attractive now that the mining and carbon taxes are history  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]


.................unless the Anti-mining Labor Party (ALP) sleazes back in I suppose  :(

Missing since sept 2013 , Libs mining boom , last seen with budget emergency  :D

Not sure what Swag is trying to imply.  As last poster said, lib party with budget problems currently.

the ABC new that cant be right...

Its time wrote on Mar 6^th, 2016 at 11:55am:

Missing since sept 2013 , Libs mining boom , last seen with budget emergency  :D

.....and your brain  :D

Wow, an attractive investment spot... when does the actual investment begin and the jobs flow endlessly like a river of nectar?

What lessons will have been learned?  That buying expensive houses on mining sites is a foredoomed failure and future ghost town?  That goverments need to rein in their spending from royalties and put it to good use instead of finding ever more ways to waste money?  That  tighter eye needs to be kept on offshore investors?  That local investment should be sought first instead of the dead loss of offshore investors with all their in-house' loans etc deductions?  Are Australians so dumb they need Chindians to do all the investment etc and thus reap the reward, while taking the profits offshore (again)?

Hmmm... well best of luck.  I hope all the libs are going to put money into investing in WA then.  The much needed investment will no doubt give back large returns, much like investing in fossil fuels and manufacturing in Australia. 

No sarcasm intended - because if sadly it's proven false and libs take heavy losses, they will simply transfer that loss to the taxpayers/public.

Anything on the renewables that have gone bankrupt? The ones that could survive without subsidies, as opposed to evil fossil fuels.

lee wrote on Mar 6^th, 2016 at 2:24pm:

Anything on the renewables that have gone bankrupt? The ones that could survive without subsidies, as opposed to evil fossil fuels.

......suppressed by the Eco-Socialist Collective

Interesting.  When the WA Labor Government left power, they handed the Libs a growing economy and a small surplus.   The Libs steered the train well off the tracks and it has been going downhill ever since - and now it is 'back on track"   Wow well done Libs!   You take a booming state economy, turn it to crap, convince Joe Hockey to adopt a labor idea to give you more GST money back, and now you are back on the road to success.  What a great effort!

Don't spend it all on "Buswell" branded chairs will you

Quote:

Western Australia has returned to the top spot in a key global survey of attractive mining investment destinations

;D ;D ;D
Swag must be getting desperate for good news if he has to rely on a survey based on speculation.

lee wrote on Mar 6^th, 2016 at 2:24pm:

Anything on the renewables that have gone bankrupt? The ones that could survive without subsidies, as opposed to evil fossil fuels.

lee couldn't pass year 11 economics  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Swagman wrote on Mar 6^th, 2016 at 2:48pm:

lee wrote on Mar 6th, 2016 at 2:24pm: Anything on the renewables that have gone bankrupt? The ones that could survive without subsidies, as opposed to evil fossil fuels. ......suppressed by the Eco-Socialist Collective

Swaggy talks nonsense all day at the tab with his dad who never believed him ever  :D :D :D :D

cods wrote on Mar 6^th, 2016 at 12:04pm:

the ABC new that cant be right...

..haven't you got metho to drink  :o :o

stunspore wrote on Mar 6^th, 2016 at 12:03pm:

Not sure what Swag is trying to imply.  As last poster said, lib party with budget problems currently.

swaggy has been instructed to steer the conversation away from the global embarassment of copper internet for the clever country in the Asian century we built: anything will do when you're drowning in global shame  :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[



** people died for this!

When Colin Barnett took the reins in WA he inherited a $3 billion dollar deficit.

After 8 years in office WA now owes about $40 billion dollars.

This happened in the mining boom years, believe it or not.

In the last few years his voice is the main vice calling for a rise in the GST so it may help him pay of his debt.

The man should be in jail.

he's a joke  8-)

Back on track  :-/ when did this happen ?

Ajax wrote on Mar 6^th, 2016 at 5:21pm:

When Colin Barnett took the reins in WA he inherited a $3 billion dollar deficit. After 8 years in office WA now owes about $40 billion dollars. This happened in the mining boom years, believe it or not. In the last few years his voice is the main vice calling for a rise in the GST so it may help him pay of his debt. The man should be in jail.

Hmmm.. I'm sure Swag will correct this if it is wrong with the correct facts/figures.  Unless all that is left is just unsubstantiated claims and propaganda.

Ofc it is also possible that Swag will leave this thread having lost. 

Be up to the people of WA to open their eyes and vote this year for the right party which actually has policies for all. 

Its time wrote on Mar 6^th, 2016 at 5:33pm:

Back on track  :-/ when did this happen ?

It hasn't. Swag's just talking out of his arse again.  :D

Bam wrote on Mar 6^th, 2016 at 10:14pm:

Its time wrote on Mar 6th, 2016 at 5:33pm: Back on track  :-/ when did this happen ? It hasn't. Swag's just talking out of his arse again.  :D

........appears you comrades didn't read the OP or the link?  


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Western Australia has returned to the top spot in a key global survey of attractive mining investment destinations, after slipping down the ranking in 2014. Canadian think-tank the Fraser Institute conducts the survey each year and found WA was the most attractive jurisdiction in the world for investing in 2015, after falling to fourth in 2014.

......'back on track' as the most attractive mining investment jurisdiction in the world

Didn't take Barnett long to lose our AAA rating!!!


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WA loses its AAA credit rating as revenue declines and debt blows out 20 Sep 2013

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-18/wa-loses-aaa-credit-rating/4965982

Things are just getting worse under Barnett!!!


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Moody's downgrades WA credit rating as commodities prices plunge; fears of debt blowout 8 Feb 2016 The West Australian Government has been hit with another credit rating downgrade from rating's agency Moody's. The agency has downgraded WA from AA1 to AA2. WA lost its AAA credit rating with the agency in August 2014. In a statement, the agency said the downgrade reflected "the ongoing deterioration in Western Australia's financial and debt metrics." "The drop in the price of iron ore and the sluggish performance in state taxes have led to declines in revenue, and, absent corresponding expenditure measures, budget deficits are widening significantly," the agency said. "As a result, the state's debt burden is rising to a level that is higher than that of its peers."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-08/moodys-downgrades-wa-credit-rating-aa1/7149196

Barnett has done nothing but build monuments like Elizabeth Quay and the New Stadium which will be linked to Packers Casino despite denials from the Premier....Barnett needs to go!!!

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa/a/21876021/hotel-land-sale-linked-to-stadium/

:-? :-? :-?

So Swag still haven't corrected anyone on the economic facts stated.  Ok well we can close this thread soon.  WA is in fact governed by a lib gov where the majority of the economic indicators are below when they first held office.

Back on track for another record debt and deficit disaster like their Libtard counterparts Federally ?

stunspore wrote on Mar 7^th, 2016 at 12:57pm:

WA is in fact governed by a lib gov.

That's a fact yes.


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Western Australia has returned to the top spot in a key global survey of attractive mining investment destinations,

That's a fact yes.

Its time wrote on Mar 7^th, 2016 at 1:07pm:

Back on track for another record debt and deficit disaster like their Libtard counterparts Federally ?

The Lion's share of the Federal debt is Labor's legacy actually........and that's a fact too

Swagman wrote on Mar 7^th, 2016 at 1:10pm:

stunspore wrote on Mar 7th, 2016 at 12:57pm:   WA is in fact governed by a lib gov. That's a fact yes. Quote: Western Australia has returned to the top spot in a key global survey of attractive mining investment destinations, That's a fact yes.

Being top spot doesn't mean they will definitely come.

as for "The Lion's share of the Federal debt is Labor's legacy actually........and that's a fact too "

Hmm... i read somewhere that there is was a great deal of lib debt before a lab gov took over some time ago.  If i have time i would like to investigate the extent of each gov's debt/deficit.  I should point out that conventional economic wisdom is to indeed go into debt to stimulate the economy where necessary.  So being in surplus (or relative surplus compared to the previous year) all the time will in fact cause economy to contract - that is actually proven.

As for comparing to federally, so will WA will continue to be under deficit/debt under the lib govt?  When will Swag be honest about how well the libs governed WA?  The answer is never - too biased, too dogmatic to acknowledge.

stunspore wrote on Mar 7^th, 2016 at 3:40pm:

Being top spot doesn't mean they will definitely come

....if they get wind that Labor might get back in charge ready to over tax their rewards for enterprise then that's a fact too  :D

of course it's attractive ... with the libs, companies that make millions don't have to pay tAX

John Smith wrote on Mar 7^th, 2016 at 7:44pm:

of course it's attractive ... with the libs, companies that make millions don't have to pay tAX

...good idea Jonathon.  A company tax cut would create more jobs.

Jobs that pay next to nothing if companies have their way with wages.  Pathetic excuse.  Not just about jobs.  Also about what you are working for.  Decent wages.

Swagman wrote on Mar 7^th, 2016 at 8:50am:

Bam wrote on Mar 6th, 2016 at 10:14pm: Its time wrote on Mar 6th, 2016 at 5:33pm: Back on track  :-/ when did this happen ? It hasn't. Swag's just talking out of his arse again.  :D ........appears you comrades didn't read the OP or the link?   Quote: Western Australia has returned to the top spot in a key global survey of attractive mining investment destinations, after slipping down the ranking in 2014. Canadian think-tank the Fraser Institute conducts the survey each year and found WA was the most attractive jurisdiction in the world for investing in 2015, after falling to fourth in 2014. ......'back on track' as the most attractive mining investment jurisdiction in the world

You're using a survey based on speculation. Canadian surveys don't create a single Australian job.

stunspore wrote on Mar 7^th, 2016 at 8:31pm:

Jobs that pay next to nothing if companies have their way with wages.  Pathetic excuse.  Not just about jobs.  Also about what you are working for.  Decent wages.

...pretty hard to get a decent wage if there's no job in the first place.

Swagman wrote on Mar 7^th, 2016 at 8:50pm:

stunspore wrote on Mar 7th, 2016 at 8:31pm: Jobs that pay next to nothing if companies have their way with wages.  Pathetic excuse.  Not just about jobs.  Also about what you are working for.  Decent wages. ...pretty hard to get a decent wage if there's no job in the first place.

Our government sure isnt inspiring any confidence

Swagman wrote on Mar 7^th, 2016 at 7:53pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 7th, 2016 at 7:44pm: of course it's attractive ... with the libs, companies that make millions don't have to pay tAX ...good idea Jonathon.  A company tax cut would create more jobs.

meanwhile you want to milk the pensioner, right?

Swagman wrote on Mar 7^th, 2016 at 8:50pm:

stunspore wrote on Mar 7th, 2016 at 8:31pm: Jobs that pay next to nothing if companies have their way with wages.  Pathetic excuse.  Not just about jobs.  Also about what you are working for.  Decent wages. ...pretty hard to get a decent wage if there's no job in the first place.

can't be that hard, parliament house is full of people that have done just that.

John Smith wrote on Mar 7^th, 2016 at 9:33pm:

Swagman wrote on Mar 7th, 2016 at 7:53pm: John Smith wrote on Mar 7th, 2016 at 7:44pm: of course it's attractive ... with the libs, companies that make millions don't have to pay tAX ...good idea Jonathon.  A company tax cut would create more jobs. meanwhile you want to milk the pensioner, right?

.....more jobs are good for pensioners too.  It's the people with those jobs that pay the most of the cost of pensions.

Good old trickle down that Lefties can't comprehend.

You need the companies to provide the jobs that pay for the pensioners and the marginalised folk.

By bashing companies the way unions and Labor do they are in reality bashing pensioners and the down trodden.  :(

John Smith wrote on Mar 7^th, 2016 at 9:34pm:

Swagman wrote on Mar 7th, 2016 at 8:50pm: stunspore wrote on Mar 7th, 2016 at 8:31pm: Jobs that pay next to nothing if companies have their way with wages.  Pathetic excuse.  Not just about jobs.  Also about what you are working for.  Decent wages. ...pretty hard to get a decent wage if there's no job in the first place. can't be that hard, parliament house is full of people that have done just that.

...yeah all those union officials and ex-political staffers

Swagman wrote on Mar 7^th, 2016 at 9:48pm:

Good old trickle down that Lefties can't comprehend.

;D ;D ;D ;D

you still pulling that old chestnut? trickle down has been proven not to work so many times, I can't believe you're still willing to use it.

Swagman wrote on Mar 7^th, 2016 at 9:49pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 7th, 2016 at 9:34pm: Swagman wrote on Mar 7th, 2016 at 8:50pm: stunspore wrote on Mar 7th, 2016 at 8:31pm: Jobs that pay next to nothing if companies have their way with wages.  Pathetic excuse.  Not just about jobs.  Also about what you are working for.  Decent wages. ...pretty hard to get a decent wage if there's no job in the first place. can't be that hard, parliament house is full of people that have done just that. ...yeah all those union officials and ex-political staffers

if parliament was full of them, labor would be in govt. :D :D

No job is better if the alternative is working poor/slavery. Because thst makes it "alright". Instead you fight for what's right. And before swag calls progressive taxation "slavery" open your eyes to the real world like america. Workers like walmart actually rely on the walmart charity drives to survive. Just so the upper ranks get more fat.
But pointless to try to get swag to understand. This is merely to counter the whacky comments he makes

you still pulling that old chestnut? trickle down has been proven not to work so many times, I can't believe you're still willing to use it.


John who is going to be paying the bills in your brave new world?

Not trickle down.

Back on track to race to the bottom as far as national wages and conditions go

Swagman wrote on Mar 7^th, 2016 at 9:48pm:

Good old trickle down that Lefties can't comprehend.

Why do you bother with that old myth?

http://cdn.themetapicture.com/pic/images/2014/10/22/funny-glass-wine-trickle-down-economics.jpg

Bam wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 7:35am:

Swagman wrote on Mar 7th, 2016 at 9:48pm: Good old trickle down that Lefties can't comprehend. Why do you bother with that old myth? http://cdn.themetapicture.com/pic/images/2014/10/22/funny-glass-wine-trickle-down-economics.jpg

If I chip away long enough at that granite like Leftist indoctrination that you poor wretched lefties suffer from.... it may just crack............... :D




Quote:

This thing all things devours: Birds, beasts, trees, flowers; Gnaws iron, bites steel; Grinds hard stones to meal; Slays king, ruins town, And beats high mountain down.

:D

Neocon economics brought the USA down, $17Trn debt.

Here the neocons are building thoroughly to a $1Trn debt.

Some STILL believe the trickle down lie? Wow!

Swagman wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 8:24am:

Bam wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 7:35am: Swagman wrote on Mar 7th, 2016 at 9:48pm: Good old trickle down that Lefties can't comprehend. Why do you bother with that old myth? http://cdn.themetapicture.com/pic/images/2014/10/22/funny-glass-wine-trickle-down-economics.jpg If I chip away long enough at that granite like Leftist indoctrination that you poor wretched lefties suffer from.... it may just crack............... :D

No indoctrination here. If you want to find the forum regular who is most prone to indoctrination, look in a mirror.

http://independentaustralia.net/wordpress-opt/wp-content/2012/05/trickle-down.jpg

Its time wrote on Mar 6^th, 2016 at 11:55am:

Missing since sept 2013 , Libs mining boom , last seen with budget emergency  :D

Missing since 2012 actually, boofhead. And missing world-wide as well.

Bam wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 10:51am:

http://independentaustralia.net/wordpress-opt/wp-content/2012/05/trickle-down.jpg

Rather than use cheesy photos, how about you make the claim that the average worker is WORSE OFF in the 30 years since that statement. Then WE can laugh at you as per the photo.

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 8:28am:

Neocon economics brought the USA down, $17Trn debt. Here the neocons are building thoroughly to a $1Trn debt. Some STILL believe the trickle down lie? Wow!

Hows the FTTN nodes going since YOU claim they cannot work in temperatures over 30 degrees?

Hows the $30B database claim working out?

mariacostel wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 11:52am:

Bam wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 10:51am: http://independentaustralia.net/wordpress-opt/wp-content/2012/05/trickle-down.jpg Rather than use cheesy photos,

You do it. Why can't others?


mariacostel wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 11:52am:

how about you make the claim that the average worker is WORSE OFF in the 30 years since that statement. Then WE can laugh at you as per the photo.

Casualisation of the Australian workforce is rising, permanent full-time jobs are getting scarce. Millions of Australians don't have work that's stable enough to get a bank loan, far more than 30 years ago, both in absolute numbers and as a percentage of the work force.

Trickle down is a MYTH.

Bam wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 11:59am:

Trickle down is a MYTH

Really?

So why is it that when business is booming, wages grow, unemployment declines, tax revenues that pay for the pensioners, public services and the down trodden ones, go up?

:-?

Bam wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 11:59am:

mariacostel wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 11:52am: Bam wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 10:51am: http://independentaustralia.net/wordpress-opt/wp-content/2012/05/trickle-down.jpg Rather than use cheesy photos, You do it. Why can't others? mariacostel wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 11:52am: how about you make the claim that the average worker is WORSE OFF in the 30 years since that statement. Then WE can laugh at you as per the photo. Casualisation of the Australian workforce is rising, permanent full-time jobs are getting scarce. Millions of Australians don't have work that's stable enough to get a bank loan, far more than 30 years ago, both in absolute numbers and as a percentage of the work force. Trickle down is a MYTH.

How about you quote ACTUAL FIGURES, because unemployment is far lower than back in the 70s and house ownership is still the highest in the world. Permanent jobs getting scarce? WHAT RUBBISH! The 'job for life' has certainly gone, but thats no loss to a worker with any skills.

I do love the silly statement that less people are getting bank loans now IN ABSOLUTE NUMBERS than 30 years ago.

You are your own worst enemy with foolishness like that.

Swagman wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 12:46pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 11:59am: Trickle down is a MYTH Really? So why is it that when business is booming, wages grow, unemployment declines, tax revenues that pay for the pensioners, public services and the down trodden ones, go up? :-?

And when the 'evil mining companies' and other big business are not doing well (like now) suddenly there are less jobs, less pay rises and deficit budgets?

'trickle down' is the basic principle of the mixed capitalist-socialist economy. If it were not so, you would be on the street begging instead of living on welfare paid by actual workers.

mariacostel wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 11:55am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 8:28am: Neocon economics brought the USA down, $17Trn debt. Here the neocons are building thoroughly to a $1Trn debt. Some STILL believe the trickle down lie? Wow! Hows the FTTN nodes going since YOU claim they cannot work in temperatures over 30 degrees? Hows the $30B database claim working out?

$20Bn audit was what I said. If you ever read anything you would know addresses have been found to be wrong, copper has had to be (cheaply) remediated etc. So this is on course.

The node cabinets have heat exchangers in them which cannot cope with temperatures over 30°C. Several have already failed—Walkerville for one.

A cut price FTTH may be on the cards, using a simpler topology (not loops) and a thinner cable.

Swagman wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 8:24am:

Bam wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 7:35am: Swagman wrote on Mar 7th, 2016 at 9:48pm: Good old trickle down that Lefties can't comprehend. Why do you bother with that old myth? http://cdn.themetapicture.com/pic/images/2014/10/22/funny-glass-wine-trickle-down-economics.jpg If I chip away long enough at that granite like Leftist indoctrination that you poor wretched lefties suffer from.... it may just crack............... :D Quote: This thing all things devours: Birds, beasts, trees, flowers; Gnaws iron, bites steel; Grinds hard stones to meal; Slays king, ruins town, And beats high mountain down. :D

How can the idea of trickle-down economics and negative gearing coexist?

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Swagman wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 12:46pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 11:59am: Trickle down is a MYTH Really? So why is it that when business is booming, wages grow, unemployment declines, tax revenues that pay for the pensioners, public services and the down trodden ones, go up? :-?

You forgot the bit about the gap between rich and poor  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D !

Why don't you tell us what happened to the gap between rich and poor in the so called boom even the premier or Western Australia refused to call a boom  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ?

..becoz you're a greedy propaganda artist for the overseas investor: THAT'S WHY!

mariacostel wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 1:32pm:

Swagman wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 12:46pm: Bam wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 11:59am: Trickle down is a MYTH Really? So why is it that when business is booming, wages grow, unemployment declines, tax revenues that pay for the pensioners, public services and the down trodden ones, go up? :-? And when the 'evil mining companies' and other big business are not doing well (like now) suddenly there are less jobs, less pay rises and deficit budgets? 'trickle down' is the basic principle of the mixed capitalist-socialist economy. If it were not so, you would be on the street begging instead of living on welfare paid by actual workers.

This is a boom-bust economy!

Primary Industry concentrates wealth: did you not do year 11 economics?

mariacostel wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 1:31pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 11:59am: mariacostel wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 11:52am: Bam wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 10:51am: http://independentaustralia.net/wordpress-opt/wp-content/2012/05/trickle-down.jpg Rather than use cheesy photos, You do it. Why can't others? mariacostel wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 11:52am: how about you make the claim that the average worker is WORSE OFF in the 30 years since that statement. Then WE can laugh at you as per the photo. Casualisation of the Australian workforce is rising, permanent full-time jobs are getting scarce. Millions of Australians don't have work that's stable enough to get a bank loan, far more than 30 years ago, both in absolute numbers and as a percentage of the work force. Trickle down is a MYTH. How about you quote ACTUAL FIGURES, because unemployment is far lower than back in the 70s and house ownership is still the highest in the world. Permanent jobs getting scarce? WHAT RUBBISH! The 'job for life' has certainly gone, but thats no loss to a worker with any skills. I do love the silly statement that less people are getting bank loans now IN ABSOLUTE NUMBERS than 30 years ago. You are your own worst enemy with foolishness like that.

..was that a misquote by maria: oh noes  ::) ::)

Swagman wrote on Mar 7^th, 2016 at 9:48pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 7th, 2016 at 9:33pm: Swagman wrote on Mar 7th, 2016 at 7:53pm: John Smith wrote on Mar 7th, 2016 at 7:44pm: of course it's attractive ... with the libs, companies that make millions don't have to pay tAX ...good idea Jonathon.  A company tax cut would create more jobs. meanwhile you want to milk the pensioner, right? .....more jobs are good for pensioners too.  It's the people with those jobs that pay the most of the cost of pensions. Good old trickle down that Lefties can't comprehend. You need the companies to provide the jobs that pay for the pensioners and the marginalised folk. By bashing companies the way unions and Labor do they are in reality bashing pensioners and the down trodden.  :(

swaggy believes anyone who wants to enter into legal partnership should be allowed to make money selling whatever crap the market doesn't need or want  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Hey, let's all be middlemen and bugger year 11 economics  :D :D :D

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 1:36pm:

mariacostel wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 11:55am: Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 8:28am: Neocon economics brought the USA down, $17Trn debt. Here the neocons are building thoroughly to a $1Trn debt. Some STILL believe the trickle down lie? Wow! Hows the FTTN nodes going since YOU claim they cannot work in temperatures over 30 degrees? Hows the $30B database claim working out? $20Bn audit was what I said. If you ever read anything you would know addresses have been found to be wrong, copper has had to be (cheaply) remediated etc. So this is on course. The node cabinets have heat exchangers in them which cannot cope with temperatures over 30°C. Several have already failed—Walkerville for one. A cut price FTTH may be on the cards, using a simpler topology (not loops) and a thinner cable.

Rubbish. if 30 degrees was their max operating temperature they would have ALL failed long ago.  You just can't get a thing right.

Well, you won’t be convinced and frankly you are too dumb to bother debating so we shall see next summer when there will be more nodes to fail.

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 3:02pm:

Well, you won’t be convinced and frankly you are too dumb to bother debating so we shall see next summer when there will be more nodes to fail.

It is pure logic, dear imbecile. If your claim that the nodes cannot operate over 30 degrees were true, EVERY node would have failed by now. And yet, NONE have failed from temperature issues. Not one. Ergo, your claim is rubbish and demonstrably so.

Quite a few HAVE failed. As I said, you are too dumb and uninformed to bother debating.

All you have is abuse.

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 3:44pm:

Quite a few HAVE failed.

Got a link for that?

Why don’t you do some bloody reading?

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 4:30pm:

Why don’t you do some bloody reading?

I would if my searches turned up something to read. I tried FTTN Cabinet failure, NBN Cabinet failure, Cabinet failure  NBN Australia.

Zip, nada, nothing.

I even tried on NBNCo.

Well, keep trying.

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 4:47pm:

Well, keep trying.

It makes me think n this case absence of evidence is proof of evidence of absence. ;)

Back on track for what ?

lee wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 5:01pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 4:47pm: Well, keep trying. It makes me think n this case absence of evidence is proof of evidence of absence. ;)

It makes us think you are just propaganda for the foreign investor cabal  :D :D :D :D :D :D

GO COPPER INTERNET  8-)

Its time wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 5:04pm:

Back on track for what ?

For the next mining boom of course... <twiddles thumbs  :o :o :o>

Bah.

Here is a nice post from Whirlpool:


Quote:

The problem with passive/fan type of cooling is that the temperature inside the cabinet will never get below the outside ambient temperature which means the electronics will have cope with temperatures of 40C+ degrees. To keep the FTTN working in high temperatures 1. The electronics will be of high quality (military grade) expensive. 2. The speed get throttled back and maybe to a point where they shut down. 3. The cabinets use refrigerated cooling also expensive. All not very nice options. When designing a system and its critical you have to design for the worst possible conditions so the cabinets to operate at 50C degrees. P.S. When Tasmania was connected to the national electricity the major power sub station was only designed to operate up to 35C degrees, first hot day came along and the sub station shutdown. Mr,Wizzard

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum/index.cfm?action=reply&r=48852574

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 5:08pm:

Bah. Here is a nice post from Whirlpool: Quote: The problem with passive/fan type of cooling is that the temperature inside the cabinet will never get below the outside ambient temperature which means the electronics will have cope with temperatures of 40C+ degrees. To keep the FTTN working in high temperatures 1. The electronics will be of high quality (military grade) expensive. 2. The speed get throttled back and maybe to a point where they shut down. 3. The cabinets use refrigerated cooling also expensive. All not very nice options. When designing a system and its critical you have to design for the worst possible conditions so the cabinets to operate at 50C degrees. P.S. When Tasmania was connected to the national electricity the major power sub station was only designed to operate up to 35C degrees, first hot day came along and the sub station shutdown. Mr,Wizzard http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum/index.cfm?action=reply&r=48852574

<sup>Systems versus Ideals: the liberal voter is stuck in their head.. it's called ego and the cure is hubris!


GET READY FOR A CHANGE OF GOVERNMENT!!  8-) 8-)</sup>

IF you are curious about when the NBN will come to your address, check here:


http://www.iinet.net.au/internet/broadband/nbn/coverage/

Neferti wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 5:17pm:

IF you are curious about when the NBN will come to your address, check here: http://www.iinet.net.au/internet/broadband/nbn/coverage/

Why would I be curious when copper internet lifts it's lamb like dress to reveal its ugly and previously banished but still thankfully hidden smelly thing ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Neferti wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 5:17pm:

IF you are curious about when the NBN will come to your address, check here: http://www.iinet.net.au/internet/broadband/nbn/coverage/

I am hoping it comes nowhere near my place until after election

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 1:36pm:

The node cabinets have heat exchangers in them which cannot cope with temperatures over 30°C.

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 5:15pm:

P.S. When Tasmania was connected to the national electricity the major power sub station was only designed to operate up to 35C degrees, first hot day came along and the sub station shutdown.

So now it is a major power sub station and 35º.

BTW the link needs a password.

Its time wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 5:20pm:

Neferti wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 5:17pm: IF you are curious about when the NBN will come to your address, check here: http://www.iinet.net.au/internet/broadband/nbn/coverage/ I am hoping it comes nowhere near my place until after election

Won't come anywhere near me in the near future.  I am in an ultra safe Liberal electorate therefore the Coalition are too busy running it in Labor electorates to try and get votes - so pitiful is their current support base

lee wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 5:30pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 1:36pm: The node cabinets have heat exchangers in them which cannot cope with temperatures over 30°C. BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 5:15pm: P.S. When Tasmania was connected to the national electricity the major power sub station was only designed to operate up to 35C degrees, first hot day came along and the sub station shutdown. So now it is a major power sub station and 35º. BTW the link needs a password.

btw, it's 2016 and malcolm turnbull is fingered with his copper internet operating system for the clever country in the asian century that we built that your family actually died for  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Vic wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 5:34pm:

Its time wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 5:20pm: Neferti wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 5:17pm: IF you are curious about when the NBN will come to your address, check here: http://www.iinet.net.au/internet/broadband/nbn/coverage/ I am hoping it comes nowhere near my place until after election Won't come anywhere near me in the near future.  I am in an ultra safe Liberal electorate therefore the Coalition are too busy running it in Labor electorates to try and get votes - so pitiful is their current support base

How's that going to work  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ?

^{They're fingered on every angle of dice throw mathematically possible  :D :D :D :D :D}

Another interesting post:


Quote:

WhatThe writes... They wont last as long as the manufacturer states – the manufacturer of the battery states expected life under ideal conditions with ambient temperature (inside the cabinet) at 20c. To determine the expected lifetime, the batteries are actually run at a high temperature (around 80 deg IIRC) until they fail (much less than a year). The lifetime of 10 years at 25 deg is extrapolated from this figure. The minister wanted smaller cabinets for political reasons. The engineers will have done their best to keep temperatures down, but management aided design (MAD) is not a great paradigm.

So Turncoat was worried about the public being upset by large cabinets so now all the electronics are crammed into tiny cabinets which have trouble coping with heat so the public is going to get upset by losing phone and internet on hot days.

Speeds will be reduced as the node tries to maintain service and will eventually shut down. When whole areas get cut over to the obsolete crap the heat inside the cabinets is going to be intense and then we get a series of 40°C+ days. You reckon the nodes won’t shut down then? Telstra RIMS do.

I love “management aided design (MAD)”  ;D ;D ;D

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 5:46pm:

Another interesting post: Quote: WhatThe writes... They wont last as long as the manufacturer states – the manufacturer of the battery states expected life under ideal conditions with ambient temperature (inside the cabinet) at 20c. To determine the expected lifetime, the batteries are actually run at a high temperature (around 80 deg IIRC) until they fail (much less than a year). The lifetime of 10 years at 25 deg is extrapolated from this figure. The minister wanted smaller cabinets for political reasons. The engineers will have done their best to keep temperatures down, but management aided design (MAD) is not a great paradigm. So Turncoat was worried about the public being upset by large cabinets so now all the electronics are crammed into tiny cabinets which have trouble coping with heat so the public is going to get upset by losing phone and internet on hot days. Speeds will be reduced as the node tries to maintain service and will eventually shut down. When whole areas get cut over to the obsolete crap the heat inside the cabinets is going to be intense and then we get a series of 40°C+ days. You reckon the nodes won’t shut down then? Telstra RIMS do. I love “management aided design (MAD)”

Nothing about FTTN cabinet failure at 30ºC as stated.

I did read it and a lot of the contributors at Whirlpool are very knowledgeable and work in this field.

Next summer with more nodes and more subscribers per node (assuming Malcolm doesn’t get a rush of common sense to the head) there will be many nodes shut down or operate at minimum level in the heat. Larger cabinets would have been better.

I did read of cabinets failing and the various techs I talked to all said the heat exchanger can only cope up to a certain temperature.

Will not affect me, I have no intention of subscribing to FTTN.

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 6:16pm:

I did read of cabinets failing and the various techs I talked to all said the heat exchanger can only cope up to a certain temperature.

OK I will accept your word for it. Confirmation would have been nice though.

Yeah, trying to remember where I read it. Have a read of that NBN Aust website and see that FTTN is a bit of a disaster all round.

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 6:16pm:

I did read it and a lot of the contributors at Whirlpool are very knowledgeable and work in this field. Next summer with more nodes and more subscribers per node (assuming Malcolm doesn’t get a rush of common sense to the head) there will be many nodes shut down or operate at minimum level in the heat. Larger cabinets would have been better. I did read of cabinets failing and the various techs I talked to all said the heat exchanger can only cope up to a certain temperature. Will not affect me, I have no intention of subscribing to FTTN.

Most Whirlpool guys are kids ........ you are their Great Grandfather. Do you play any online games, at all?  That's what they care about ....... ONLINE Games  ........ ask them ....  ;)

Neferti wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 6:43pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 6:16pm: I did read it and a lot of the contributors at Whirlpool are very knowledgeable and work in this field. Next summer with more nodes and more subscribers per node (assuming Malcolm doesn’t get a rush of common sense to the head) there will be many nodes shut down or operate at minimum level in the heat. Larger cabinets would have been better. I did read of cabinets failing and the various techs I talked to all said the heat exchanger can only cope up to a certain temperature. Will not affect me, I have no intention of subscribing to FTTN. Most Whirlpool guys are kids ........ you are their Great Grandfather. Do you play any online games, at all?  That's what they care about ....... ONLINE Games  ........ ask them ....  ;)

:-X it

Its time wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 6:44pm:

Neferti wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 6:43pm: Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 6:16pm: I did read it and a lot of the contributors at Whirlpool are very knowledgeable and work in this field. Next summer with more nodes and more subscribers per node (assuming Malcolm doesn’t get a rush of common sense to the head) there will be many nodes shut down or operate at minimum level in the heat. Larger cabinets would have been better. I did read of cabinets failing and the various techs I talked to all said the heat exchanger can only cope up to a certain temperature. Will not affect me, I have no intention of subscribing to FTTN. Most Whirlpool guys are kids ........ you are their Great Grandfather. Do you play any online games, at all?  That's what they care about ....... ONLINE Games  ........ ask them ....  ;) :-X it

That is a very UNNECESSARY OBSERVATION and didn't need you to interfere with the  :-X it ......  plus who the bugger are you to tell me what I can say or do?

Neferti wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 6:43pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 6:16pm: I did read it and a lot of the contributors at Whirlpool are very knowledgeable and work in this field. Next summer with more nodes and more subscribers per node (assuming Malcolm doesn’t get a rush of common sense to the head) there will be many nodes shut down or operate at minimum level in the heat. Larger cabinets would have been better. I did read of cabinets failing and the various techs I talked to all said the heat exchanger can only cope up to a certain temperature. Will not affect me, I have no intention of subscribing to FTTN. Most Whirlpool guys are kids ........ you are their Great Grandfather. Do you play any online games, at all?  That's what they care about ....... ONLINE Games  ........ ask them ....  ;)

Good grief, you really are as stupid as I thought you were.

mariacostel wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 1:31pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 11:59am: mariacostel wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 11:52am: Bam wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 10:51am: http://independentaustralia.net/wordpress-opt/wp-content/2012/05/trickle-down.jpg Rather than use cheesy photos, You do it. Why can't others? mariacostel wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 11:52am: how about you make the claim that the average worker is WORSE OFF in the 30 years since that statement. Then WE can laugh at you as per the photo. Casualisation of the Australian workforce is rising, permanent full-time jobs are getting scarce. Millions of Australians don't have work that's stable enough to get a bank loan, far more than 30 years ago, both in absolute numbers and as a percentage of the work force. Trickle down is a MYTH. How about you quote ACTUAL FIGURES, because unemployment is far lower than back in the 70s and house ownership is still the highest in the world. Permanent jobs getting scarce? WHAT RUBBISH! The 'job for life' has certainly gone, but thats no loss to a worker with any skills. I do love the silly statement that less people are getting bank loans now IN ABSOLUTE NUMBERS than 30 years ago. You are your own worst enemy with foolishness like that.

Why should I waste my time pandering to you when you never, ever provide links to support your own figures, which more often than not turn out to be made-up nonsense?

What happened to the wealth divide during the mining boom? It GREW. So much for that. Where did this supposed wealth go? Here's a clue.

http://cdn.themetapicture.com/pic/images/2014/10/22/funny-glass-wine-trickle-down-economics.jpg

You can try to prove that trickle down works, but you would be lying if you did. Because you can't make any credible argument, you don't bother. That's why you spend all your time sniping at others and behaving like a bridge full of trolls with machine guns.

And if you want "actual figures", you need to go and spend about three weeks replying to a couple of thousand requests for you to provide your own figures in hundreds of threads going back several years. You've got a lot of work to do, so get busy. Chop chop!!

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 5:08pm:

Bah. Here is a nice post from Whirlpool: Quote: The problem with passive/fan type of cooling is that the temperature inside the cabinet will never get below the outside ambient temperature which means the electronics will have cope with temperatures of 40C+ degrees. To keep the FTTN working in high temperatures 1. The electronics will be of high quality (military grade) expensive. 2. The speed get throttled back and maybe to a point where they shut down. 3. The cabinets use refrigerated cooling also expensive. All not very nice options. When designing a system and its critical you have to design for the worst possible conditions so the cabinets to operate at 50C degrees. P.S. When Tasmania was connected to the national electricity the major power sub station was only designed to operate up to 35C degrees, first hot day came along and the sub station shutdown. Mr,Wizzard http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum/index.cfm?action=reply&r=48852574

Another problem I have heard that's blowing out the cost of the NBN installation are the electrical requirements for the cabinets. Each power company has their own standards for connecting the power to the cabinets and the power companies have been known to change their standards from time to time. If the power company changes the power requirements after the job is completed, the job has to be done again. This alone is adding billions of dollars to the cost of the NBN rollout.

It is one of the great failures of self-regulation that we're going to hear more about in the future.

This is why I am strongly in favour of a single set of consistent national standards in various areas. A single set of national standards is much easier to comply with than a set of state-based standards, or, worse, a large set of company-based standards that are imposed by unelected company officials and that have no consistency or obvious reasoning behind them and no obvious timetable for revision.

True, powering the nodes is another whole problem and source of extra costs and delay.

Nothing about the MTM makes sense.

miketrees wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 7:04am:

you still pulling that old chestnut? trickle down has been proven not to work so many times, I can't believe you're still willing to use it. John who is going to be paying the bills in your brave new world?

taxpayers .... not tax evaders, but taxpayers

Swagman wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 12:46pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 11:59am: Trickle down is a MYTH Really? So why is it that when business is booming, wages grow, unemployment declines, tax revenues that pay for the pensioners, public services and the down trodden ones, go up? :-?

you can thank the unions for that one

John Smith wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 9:34pm:

you can thank the unions for that one

Unions pay taxes?

lee wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 10:17pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 9:34pm: you can thank the unions for that one Unions pay taxes?

were you born daft?

John Smith wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 9:34pm:

Swagman wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 12:46pm: Bam wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 11:59am: Trickle down is a MYTH Really? So why is it that when business is booming, wages grow, unemployment declines, tax revenues that pay for the pensioners, public services and the down trodden ones, go up? :-? you can thank the unions for that one

Wages grew because the bosses out of the genorosity of their hearts thought they would reward their workers

Its time wrote on Mar 9^th, 2016 at 8:40am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 9:34pm: Swagman wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 12:46pm: Bam wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 11:59am: Trickle down is a MYTH Really? So why is it that when business is booming, wages grow, unemployment declines, tax revenues that pay for the pensioners, public services and the down trodden ones, go up? :-? you can thank the unions for that one Wages grew because the bosses out of the genorosity of their hearts thought they would reward their workers

Wages grow because the demand for labour increases.  Higher demand and a reducing supply of labour pushes up the price of labour (wages).

Just ask yourself "are things better for individuals during economic booms or economic depressions".

Then try and deny 'trickle down'  :-?

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 5:08pm:

Bah. Here is a nice post from Whirlpool: Quote: The problem with passive/fan type of cooling is that the temperature inside the cabinet will never get below the outside ambient temperature which means the electronics will have cope with temperatures of 40C+ degrees. To keep the FTTN working in high temperatures 1. The electronics will be of high quality (military grade) expensive. 2. The speed get throttled back and maybe to a point where they shut down. 3. The cabinets use refrigerated cooling also expensive. All not very nice options. When designing a system and its critical you have to design for the worst possible conditions so the cabinets to operate at 50C degrees. P.S. When Tasmania was connected to the national electricity the major power sub station was only designed to operate up to 35C degrees, first hot day came along and the sub station shutdown. Mr,Wizzard http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum/index.cfm?action=reply&r=48852574

So your entire evidence is s single post which has such stellar insights that the inside of the cabinet will never be cooler than the outside? Is that some kind of discovery to him?

The only evidence that can support your stupid claim is actual examples of heat-related failures en masse. Other than that, you are obviously lying.

Swagman wrote on Mar 9^th, 2016 at 9:19am:

Its time wrote on Mar 9th, 2016 at 8:40am: John Smith wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 9:34pm: Swagman wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 12:46pm: Bam wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 11:59am: Trickle down is a MYTH Really? So why is it that when business is booming, wages grow, unemployment declines, tax revenues that pay for the pensioners, public services and the down trodden ones, go up? :-? you can thank the unions for that one Wages grew because the bosses out of the genorosity of their hearts thought they would reward their workers Wages grow because the demand for labour increases.  Higher demand and a reducing supply of labour pushes up the price of labour (wages). Just ask yourself "are things better for individuals during economic booms or economic depressions". Then try and deny 'trickle down'  :-?

You DO realise “Trickle down” refers to something else entirely, Swag? I never had a high opinion of your intelligence or knowledge but here you are hopelessly wrong. I suggest you grab a Kit Kat and do some reading because you are coming across as a Village Id iot.

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 6:16pm:

I did read it and a lot of the contributors at Whirlpool are very knowledgeable and work in this field. Next summer with more nodes and more subscribers per node (assuming Malcolm doesn’t get a rush of common sense to the head) there will be many nodes shut down or operate at minimum level in the heat. Larger cabinets would have been better. I did read of cabinets failing and the various techs I talked to all said the heat exchanger can only cope up to a certain temperature. Will not affect me, I have no intention of subscribing to FTTN.

You presume you will get a choice. You won't.

Doesn't take long for the left to become abusive.

Swagman wrote on Mar 9^th, 2016 at 9:19am:

Its time wrote on Mar 9th, 2016 at 8:40am: John Smith wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 9:34pm: Swagman wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 12:46pm: Bam wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 11:59am: Trickle down is a MYTH Really? So why is it that when business is booming, wages grow, unemployment declines, tax revenues that pay for the pensioners, public services and the down trodden ones, go up? :-? you can thank the unions for that one Wages grew because the bosses out of the genorosity of their hearts thought they would reward their workers Wages grow because the demand for labour increases.  Higher demand and a reducing supply of labour pushes up the price of labour (wages). Just ask yourself "are things better for individuals during economic booms or economic depressions". Then try and deny 'trickle down'  :-?

Ive noticed things are a lot better when the Libs are in opposition  :D

Bam wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 9:04pm:

mariacostel wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 1:31pm: Bam wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 11:59am: mariacostel wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 11:52am: Bam wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 10:51am: http://independentaustralia.net/wordpress-opt/wp-content/2012/05/trickle-down.jpg Rather than use cheesy photos, You do it. Why can't others? mariacostel wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 11:52am: how about you make the claim that the average worker is WORSE OFF in the 30 years since that statement. Then WE can laugh at you as per the photo. Casualisation of the Australian workforce is rising, permanent full-time jobs are getting scarce. Millions of Australians don't have work that's stable enough to get a bank loan, far more than 30 years ago, both in absolute numbers and as a percentage of the work force. Trickle down is a MYTH. How about you quote ACTUAL FIGURES, because unemployment is far lower than back in the 70s and house ownership is still the highest in the world. Permanent jobs getting scarce? WHAT RUBBISH! The 'job for life' has certainly gone, but thats no loss to a worker with any skills. I do love the silly statement that less people are getting bank loans now IN ABSOLUTE NUMBERS than 30 years ago. You are your own worst enemy with foolishness like that. Why should I waste my time pandering to you when you never, ever provide links to support your own figures, which more often than not turn out to be made-up nonsense? What happened to the wealth divide during the mining boom? It GREW. So much for that. Where did this supposed wealth go? Here's a clue. http://cdn.themetapicture.com/pic/images/2014/10/22/funny-glass-wine-trickle-down-economics.jpg You can try to prove that trickle down works, but you would be lying if you did. Because you can't make any credible argument, you don't bother. That's why you spend all your time sniping at others and behaving like a bridge full of trolls with machine guns. And if you want "actual figures", you need to go and spend about three weeks replying to a couple of thousand requests for you to provide your own figures in hundreds of threads going back several years. You've got a lot of work to do, so get busy. Chop chop!!

Love your surrender. How stupid were you to claim there are less successful bank loans now than 40 years ago when we are in the tail end of a building boom.

You are just beyond stupid sometimes and don't take kindly to an intelligent person criticising your transparent idiocy.

John Smith wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 9:34pm:

Swagman wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 12:46pm: Bam wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 11:59am: Trickle down is a MYTH Really? So why is it that when business is booming, wages grow, unemployment declines, tax revenues that pay for the pensioners, public services and the down trodden ones, go up? :-? you can thank the unions for that one

There were taxes before Unions.

Not saying that Unions didn't have an influence in social welfare Smithmiester....but the majority of money is generated by Business and when they are doing well more of it trickles down

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 9^th, 2016 at 9:24am:

Swagman wrote on Mar 9th, 2016 at 9:19am: Its time wrote on Mar 9th, 2016 at 8:40am: John Smith wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 9:34pm: Swagman wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 12:46pm: Bam wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 11:59am: Trickle down is a MYTH Really? So why is it that when business is booming, wages grow, unemployment declines, tax revenues that pay for the pensioners, public services and the down trodden ones, go up? :-? you can thank the unions for that one Wages grew because the bosses out of the genorosity of their hearts thought they would reward their workers Wages grow because the demand for labour increases.  Higher demand and a reducing supply of labour pushes up the price of labour (wages). Just ask yourself "are things better for individuals during economic booms or economic depressions". Then try and deny 'trickle down'  :-? You DO realise “Trickle down” refers to something else entirely, Swag? I never had a high opinion of your intelligence or knowledge but here you are hopelessly wrong. I suggest you grab a Kit Kat and do some reading because you are coming across as a Village Id iot.

I think it is you who has no idea of 'trickle down'. But that is consistent with your apparent ignorance on most topics.

Any poles pulled out of the ground by thick cables yet? Not seen any reports of that OR overheating cabinets either.

mariacostel wrote on Mar 9^th, 2016 at 9:26am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 6:16pm: I did read it and a lot of the contributors at Whirlpool are very knowledgeable and work in this field. Next summer with more nodes and more subscribers per node (assuming Malcolm doesn’t get a rush of common sense to the head) there will be many nodes shut down or operate at minimum level in the heat. Larger cabinets would have been better. I did read of cabinets failing and the various techs I talked to all said the heat exchanger can only cope up to a certain temperature. Will not affect me, I have no intention of subscribing to FTTN. You presume you will get a choice. You won't.

And Longy is wrong again! Choices are:

1. Have no internet. Not a good choice but a choice

2. Use mobile broadband

3. Resign myself to a crap service on FTTN, especially in summer and after rain.

You should try thinking more and posting less Longy!

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 9^th, 2016 at 9:24am:

You DO realise “Trickle down” refers to something else entirely, Swag? I never had a high opinion of your intelligence or knowledge but here you are hopelessly wrong. I suggest you grab a Kit Kat and do some reading because you are coming across as a Village Id iot.

Don't let me prevent you from making a rational case against my particular views Monk.  :D

Trickle down refers to something else entirely. To do with Supply Side economics and other silly stuff. Reagan believed in it. Now go do that reading.

I would suggest Longy also do reading but he doesn’t do that. He specialises in fantasy and abuse.

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 9^th, 2016 at 9:31am:

mariacostel wrote on Mar 9th, 2016 at 9:26am: Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 6:16pm: I did read it and a lot of the contributors at Whirlpool are very knowledgeable and work in this field. Next summer with more nodes and more subscribers per node (assuming Malcolm doesn’t get a rush of common sense to the head) there will be many nodes shut down or operate at minimum level in the heat. Larger cabinets would have been better. I did read of cabinets failing and the various techs I talked to all said the heat exchanger can only cope up to a certain temperature. Will not affect me, I have no intention of subscribing to FTTN. You presume you will get a choice. You won't. And Longy is wrong again! Choices are: 1. Have no internet. Not a good choice but a choice 2. Use mobile broadband 3. Resign myself to a crap service on FTTN, especially in summer and after rain. You should try thinking more and posting less Longy!

For the love of God and the rest of humanities sake, please pick number 1.

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 9^th, 2016 at 9:52am:

Trickle down refers to something else entirely. To do with Supply Side economics and other silly stuff. Reagan believed in it. Now go do that reading.

You're making the argument Monk make your own case.  Why do leftists such as yourself always want other people to do the work for you?  :D

Oh well, if you want to go around making yourself an object of fun go ahead.

But if you don’t want to displace ArmPit as the Forum Fool Google:

Supply side economics
Reaganomics
Trickledown

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 9^th, 2016 at 11:33am:

Oh well, if you want to go around making yourself an object of fun go ahead. But if you don’t want to displace ArmPit as the Forum Fool Google: Supply side economics Reaganomics Trickledown

Dodging the question is not a counter argument?  Where's your case against the 3 above mentioned?

Swagman wrote on Mar 9^th, 2016 at 9:28am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 9:34pm: Swagman wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 12:46pm: Bam wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 11:59am: Trickle down is a MYTH Really? So why is it that when business is booming, wages grow, unemployment declines, tax revenues that pay for the pensioners, public services and the down trodden ones, go up? :-? you can thank the unions for that one There were taxes before Unions. Not saying that Unions didn't have an influence in social welfare Smithmiester....but the majority of money is generated by Business and when they are doing well more of it trickles down

the majority of the money is spent helping those businesses. It's spent providing the infrastructure that they use. Do toyota (for one example) pay NSW govt. for all the wear and tear caused by shipping the cars up Mt Ouslley Road? Did Toyota build the port? What about the rail lines? then when it's time for toyota to pay taxes, you complain they pay to much tax:D :D :D

Swagman wrote on Mar 9^th, 2016 at 1:54pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 9th, 2016 at 11:33am: Oh well, if you want to go around making yourself an object of fun go ahead. But if you don’t want to displace ArmPit as the Forum Fool Google: Supply side economics Reaganomics Trickledown Dodging the question is not a counter argument?  Where's your case against the 3 above mentioned?

The case against? Easy:

1. USA $17Trn in debt, Aust working hard on its first $1Trn

2. The middleclass in the USA has been destroyed, same is happening here.

Do you even have an inkling of a clue as to what “trickle down” means yet?

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 9^th, 2016 at 4:42pm:

Do you even have an inkling of a clue as to what “trickle down” means yet?

Your bladder is giving out? ;)

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 9^th, 2016 at 4:42pm:

Do you even have an inkling of a clue as to what “trickle down” means yet?

......'means' or 'is'?  :D

Now Comrade Monk I'm patiently waiting for your version?

Wow, rarely do I see such a vast vista of ignominious ignorance!

Trickle down, in its Reagonistic retardation and geriatric g out thosenius:

1. Really rich barstards get big tax cuts
  (1.1. RRB put their tax savings in tax havens)

2. The tax cuts to the really, really like seriously rich trickle down to the middle and working classes.


Yeah, big joke, eh? Tax savings are put into tax havens, not trickling down to middle & working classes)

Going back to the original thread ...

so after libs took government and WA economy tanked a bit, the fact it might be "back on track" - does that mean libs are fixing their mistakes?  If so that is great news - it shows libs are capable of learning - because sometimes i think they are somewhere between apes and the stone age.

stunspore wrote on Mar 9^th, 2016 at 6:59pm:

Going back to the original thread ... so after libs took government and WA economy tanked a bit, the fact it might be "back on track" - does that mean libs are fixing their mistakes?  If so that is great news - it shows libs are capable of learning - because sometimes i think they are somewhere between apes and the stone age.

I remember WA Inc ;)

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 9^th, 2016 at 6:27pm:

Wow, rarely do I see such a vast vista of ignominious ignorance! Trickle down, in its Reagonistic retardation and geriatric g out thosenius: 1. Really rich barstards get big tax cuts   (1.1. RRB put their tax savings in tax havens) 2. The tax cuts to the really, really like seriously rich trickle down to the middle and working classes. Yeah, big joke, eh? Tax savings are put into tax havens, not trickling down to middle & working classes)

tut tut tut....just the usual politics of envy argument.....very disappointing Monk.

....so 'trickle down' is really just a derogatory term used by neo-Marxists to describe a version of Laissez-faire capitalism or supply side economics?

No surprise that you and the resident comrades recoil in apoplectic rage at its mere mention, despite having sucked off its tit your entire lives.... :D  :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj5DxlCOybE

By the way, Swag, perhaps we can make good savings if all sides of politics stop fleecing the taxpayers.

By the way that includes liberals.  Or do you think libs aren't doing that?  Why don't you head over to the lib corruption thread and throw your support for anti-corruption?  Or are you that blind that you think it doesn't happen from libs?

Oh well, I never did expect you would “get” trickle down.

Does this help:

http://addictinginfo.addictinginfoent.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/20601-champagne-trickle-down-economics.jpg

stunspore wrote on Mar 9^th, 2016 at 8:30pm:

By the way, Swag, perhaps we can make good savings if all sides of politics stop fleecing the taxpayers. By the way that includes liberals.  Or do you think libs aren't doing that?

They do indeed.  But they are the lesser of two weevils in a 2 party system IMO......


stunspore wrote on Mar 9^th, 2016 at 8:30pm:

Why don't you head over to the lib corruption thread and throw your support for anti-corruption?  Or are you that blind that you think it doesn't happen from libs?

.....it's individuals that are corrupt...not political parties.  I'm sure all parties have their share of eff-wits.


Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 9^th, 2016 at 8:30pm:

Oh well, I never did expect you would “get” trickle down.

Oh I know what it is and how it works alright, just not the same way that you do.  Probably because we went to different schools together.


Aussie wrote on Mar 9^th, 2016 at 8:32pm:

Does this help

Nope......that's just propaganda

Poor old Swag isn’t too bright. Just doesn’t get the concept of “trickle down.”

Then again, did I really expect Swag to get it? Not really.

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 9^th, 2016 at 9:09pm:

Poor old Swag isn’t too bright. Just doesn’t get the concept of “trickle down.” Then again, did I really expect Swag to get it? Not really.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b76/timbo2530/occhlocrats2.jpg

I guess it's not really trickle down......it's more of an enslavement and confiscation of income to appease the masters

Swagman wrote on Mar 9^th, 2016 at 9:01pm:

stunspore wrote on Mar 9th, 2016 at 8:30pm: By the way, Swag, perhaps we can make good savings if all sides of politics stop fleecing the taxpayers. By the way that includes liberals.  Or do you think libs aren't doing that?  They do indeed.  But they are the lesser of two weevils in a 2 party system IMO...... stunspore wrote on Mar 9th, 2016 at 8:30pm: Why don't you head over to the lib corruption thread and throw your support for anti-corruption?  Or are you that blind that you think it doesn't happen from libs? .....it's individuals that are corrupt...not political parties.  I'm sure all parties have their share of eff-wits. Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 9th, 2016 at 8:30pm: Oh well, I never did expect you would “get” trickle down. Oh I know what it is and how it works alright, just not the same way that you do.  Probably because we went to different schools together. Aussie wrote on Mar 9th, 2016 at 8:32pm: Does this help Nope......that's just propaganda

Oh dear....Swag tried to support his libs again but can't demonstrate his supposedly high standards as a human.

You pointed out individuals but in many if not all posts regarding unions you call them corrupt rather than the individuals.  Fail.

Must have been hard for you to even allude that that there are corrupt libs, since i don't see you make an explicit statement. 

It's fine.  As long as the average sheep who reads the threads can see how it all balances out.

stunspore wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 7:05am:

You pointed out individuals but in many if not all posts regarding unions you call them corrupt rather than the individuals.  Fail

Did I call Unions "corrupt"?  You must post a link for that one?

I thought it would have been more like 'criminal gangsters', or 'intimidatory mob of deadbeats', or 'bullying thugs', or 'brainless cretins' or 'pinko terrorists' or 'collectivist flunkies' or 'economy killers'......."corrupt"? seems a bit tame... :D


stunspore wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 7:05am:

Must have been hard for you to even allude that that there are corrupt libs, since i don't see you make an explicit statement

Yeah I saw somewhere where some bloke resigned the highest office in the State for not declaring a bottle of champers?


stunspore wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 7:05am:

It's fine.  As long as the average sheep who reads the threads can see how it all balances out

It's "fine" in your case then.... :D

Thank you Swag for your weak attempt to address corruption.  I can see why you stick to your whacky statements mostly.  Oh well.  I look forward to your standard one-liners like the sun coming from the east. 

stunspore wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 11:08am:

Thank you Swag for your weak attempt to address corruption.  I can see why you stick to your whacky statements mostly.  Oh well.  I look forward to your standard one-liners like the sun coming from the east.

The sun does rise in the East.... ;D :D.... I guess that must mean you look forward to my meaningful contributions to the Ozpol Board  ;)

mariacostel wrote on Mar 9^th, 2016 at 9:28am:

Bam wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 9:04pm: mariacostel wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 1:31pm: Bam wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 11:59am: mariacostel wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 11:52am: Bam wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 10:51am: http://independentaustralia.net/wordpress-opt/wp-content/2012/05/trickle-down.jpg Rather than use cheesy photos, You do it. Why can't others? mariacostel wrote on Mar 8th, 2016 at 11:52am: how about you make the claim that the average worker is WORSE OFF in the 30 years since that statement. Then WE can laugh at you as per the photo. Casualisation of the Australian workforce is rising, permanent full-time jobs are getting scarce. Millions of Australians don't have work that's stable enough to get a bank loan, far more than 30 years ago, both in absolute numbers and as a percentage of the work force. Trickle down is a MYTH. How about you quote ACTUAL FIGURES, because unemployment is far lower than back in the 70s and house ownership is still the highest in the world. Permanent jobs getting scarce? WHAT RUBBISH! The 'job for life' has certainly gone, but thats no loss to a worker with any skills. I do love the silly statement that less people are getting bank loans now IN ABSOLUTE NUMBERS than 30 years ago. You are your own worst enemy with foolishness like that. Why should I waste my time pandering to you when you never, ever provide links to support your own figures, which more often than not turn out to be made-up nonsense? What happened to the wealth divide during the mining boom? It GREW. So much for that. Where did this supposed wealth go? Here's a clue. http://cdn.themetapicture.com/pic/images/2014/10/22/funny-glass-wine-trickle-down-economics.jpg You can try to prove that trickle down works, but you would be lying if you did. Because you can't make any credible argument, you don't bother. That's why you spend all your time sniping at others and behaving like a bridge full of trolls with machine guns. And if you want "actual figures", you need to go and spend about three weeks replying to a couple of thousand requests for you to provide your own figures in hundreds of threads going back several years. You've got a lot of work to do, so get busy. Chop chop!! Love your surrender. How stupid were you to claim there are less successful bank loans now than 40 years ago when we are in the tail end of a building boom. You are just beyond stupid sometimes and don't take kindly to an intelligent person criticising your transparent idiocy.

It's not a surrender to demonstrate your blatant hypocrisy and to refuse to pander to obvious trolls like you.

And personal abuse as well. Reported.

http://www.sjwreled.org/uploads/7/9/2/9/7929022/586612373.jpg

http://www.richgibson.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Trickle-down.bmp

https://contrarianinconsistent.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/trickle-down.gif

typical drive from pebbles.

the proof of the pudding is to ask if the standard of living of the poor has risen in the last 50 years or dropped.  the answer is obvious. 50 years ago, the poor in our country starved. now they are merely 'forced' to buy a cheaper iphone

trickle down has always worked but greed and envy blind the eyes.

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 2:39pm:

typical drive from pebbles. the proof of the pudding is to ask if the standard of living of the poor has risen in the last 50 years or dropped.  the answer is obvious. 50 years ago, the poor in our country starved. now they are merely 'forced' to buy a cheaper iphone trickle down has always worked but greed and envy blind the eyes.

Rubbish, and you're posting from the wrong account.  ;D

The poor in this country still starve, otherwise why are there still soup kitchens for the homeless?

Swagman wrote on Mar 9^th, 2016 at 9:01pm:

stunspore wrote on Mar 9th, 2016 at 8:30pm: Why don't you head over to the lib corruption thread and throw your support for anti-corruption?  Or are you that blind that you think it doesn't happen from libs? .....it's individuals that are corrupt...not political parties.  I'm sure all parties have their share of eff-wits.

Funny though how you seem to forget this whenever you make another predictable diatribe against "unions".

You're in favour of political corruption as long as it benefits Liberals. If not, why haven't you already denounced individual Coalition members for their misconduct?

Bam wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 2:43pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 2:39pm: typical drive from pebbles. the proof of the pudding is to ask if the standard of living of the poor has risen in the last 50 years or dropped.  the answer is obvious. 50 years ago, the poor in our country starved. now they are merely 'forced' to buy a cheaper iphone trickle down has always worked but greed and envy blind the eyes. Rubbish, and you're posting from the wrong account.  ;D The poor in this country still starve, otherwise why are there still soup kitchens for the homeless?

you're still an idiot. the degree of starvation is massively reduced. That didnt happen for any other reason than economic growy-th - driven by all the people you hate - business owners, rich people etc.

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 2:39pm:

trickle down has always worked but greed and envy blind the eyes.

Nope, wrong again. Maybe you should stop being wrong?

http://www.faireconomy.org/trickle_down_economics_four_reasons

American data, sure, but thats where this harebrained theory comes from, and it doesnt work there, so why should it work here?

http://qz.com/429487/a-new-imf-study-debunks-trickle-down-economics/

donincognito wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 3:14pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 2:39pm: trickle down has always worked but greed and envy blind the eyes. Nope, wrong again. Maybe you should stop being wrong? http://www.faireconomy.org/trickle_down_economics_four_reasons American data, sure, but thats where this harebrained theory comes from, and it doesnt work there, so why should it work here? http://qz.com/429487/a-new-imf-study-debunks-trickle-down-economics/

no  study can debunk observable facts. people are a lot more prosperous now than 50 years ago. And it was ALL driven by economic growth from above.

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 3:25pm:

donincognito wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 3:14pm: longweekend58 wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 2:39pm: trickle down has always worked but greed and envy blind the eyes. Nope, wrong again. Maybe you should stop being wrong? http://www.faireconomy.org/trickle_down_economics_four_reasons American data, sure, but thats where this harebrained theory comes from, and it doesnt work there, so why should it work here? http://qz.com/429487/a-new-imf-study-debunks-trickle-down-economics/ no  study can debunk observable facts. people are a lot more prosperous now than 50 years ago. And it was ALL driven by economic growth from above.

Yes they can.

Show your proof. Its clear that you have drunk the trickling kool aid, but what evidence do you have for it? What if we could have been even more prosperous as a nation, had we been taxing people a decent amount?

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 2:58pm:

you're still an idiot.

Reported.

Bam wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 4:38pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 2:58pm: you're still an idiot. Reported.

I do hope you have reported it to Mr Hicks especially, given he is now on record as stating that to refer to a Member as an idiot is personal abuse/criticism, and that is exactly what the Rule proscribes.

His very words of yesterday:


Quote:

Calling a poster an idiot is personal abuse.

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 2:58pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 2:43pm: longweekend58 wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 2:39pm: typical drive from pebbles. the proof of the pudding is to ask if the standard of living of the poor has risen in the last 50 years or dropped.  the answer is obvious. 50 years ago, the poor in our country starved. now they are merely 'forced' to buy a cheaper iphone trickle down has always worked but greed and envy blind the eyes. Rubbish, and you're posting from the wrong account.  ;D The poor in this country still starve, otherwise why are there still soup kitchens for the homeless? you're still an idiot. the degree of starvation is massively reduced. That didnt happen for any other reason than economic growy-th - driven by all the people you hate - business owners, rich people etc.

Citation needed. Which you won't provide because you're wrong. As usual. Hint: 1946.

Also I don't hate businesses, that's a lie. But that doesn't stop you, you just make up crap and hope you don't get called on it.

Bam wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 4:43pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 2:58pm: Bam wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 2:43pm: longweekend58 wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 2:39pm: typical drive from pebbles. the proof of the pudding is to ask if the standard of living of the poor has risen in the last 50 years or dropped.  the answer is obvious. 50 years ago, the poor in our country starved. now they are merely 'forced' to buy a cheaper iphone trickle down has always worked but greed and envy blind the eyes. Rubbish, and you're posting from the wrong account.  ;D The poor in this country still starve, otherwise why are there still soup kitchens for the homeless? you're still an idiot. the degree of starvation is massively reduced. That didnt happen for any other reason than economic growy-th - driven by all the people you hate - business owners, rich people etc. Citation needed. Which you won't provide because you're wrong. As usual. Hint: 1946. Also I don't hate businesses, that's a lie. But that doesn't stop you, you just make up crap and hope you don't get called on it.

You mean that much-vilified Social Security had nothing to do with the poor not starving... well...... buggar me!

Bam wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 4:38pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 2:58pm: you're still an idiot. Reported.

You reckon the mods even bother to look at what he said before they hit ban  ;D

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 8:34pm:

You mean that much-vilified Social Security had nothing to do with the poor not starving... well...... buggar me

...........and who pays for that social security?  :-?

Well the Lion's share trickles down from those nasty 'rich' people that Bam and the rest of the resident cabbage eaters hate with a passion.......all whilst gladly suckling on the tit of capitalism :D

.....where's that Glen 20......the rank stench of hypocrisy is about  : :D :D :D

Swagman wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 8:52pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 8:34pm: You mean that much-vilified Social Security had nothing to do with the poor not starving... well...... buggar me ...........and who pays for that social security?  :-? Well the Lion's share trickles down from those nasty 'rich' people that Bam and the rest of the resident cabbage eaters hate with a passion.......all whilst gladly suckling on the tit of capitalism :D .....where's that Glen 20......the rank stench of hypocrisy is about  : :D :D :D

You will find its the middle class that helps out those less fortunate most.

Its time wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 9:13pm:

You will find its the middle class that helps out those less fortunate most

Please define "middle class" and then post some evidence to support your claim.

Swagman wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 9:32pm:

Its time wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 9:13pm: You will find its the middle class that helps out those less fortunate most Please define "middle class" and then post some evidence to support your claim.

A lower class tax succubus claiming the minimum tax payers pay more than the top 20% of contributors who pay 70% of the tax burden.

It's always the way of the succubus left.