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Title: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by Greens_Win on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 5:39am

Meanwhile more important sectors are screwed !

Australian military to receive $30 billion boost in long-awaited Defence White Paper

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-25/defence-white-paper-australian-army-to-receive-30-billion-boost/7197908

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by Sir Bobby on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 5:48am

All borrowed money - defense on the credit card.

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by Armchair_Politician on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 6:37am

____ wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 5:39am:

The ADF is more than just war. They also do humanitarian and relief work. Besides, don't you want this country to be properly defended?

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by The Mechanic on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 6:45am

the Labor/Green coalition government raided the Defence Budget (like they did to the reserve bank) running it into the ground while in power...

now it has to be rebuilt..

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by Swagman on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 6:57am

.......That's just 30 months interest on Labor's debt legacy......

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by Leftwinger on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 7:06am

They need some growth somewhere to avoid those 2 quarters of negative growth and a recession, it sure it happening in any other sector and we all know wallets have slammed shut under the Libs tenure .

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by innocentbystander. on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 7:16am

____ wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 5:39am:

The Greens defence budget is whatever the price of some whites sheets and flag poles is, just be thankful they haven't declared a war on stupidity yet otherwise you would be in an internment camp right now.

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by Leftwinger on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 7:17am

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 6:45am:

the Labor/Green coalition government raided the Defence Budget (like they did to the reserve bank) running it into the ground while in power...

now it has to be rebuilt..

Not the full story

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-24/turnbull-defence-fact-check/7196360

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by mariacostel on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 7:35am

I'd like my country to be defended, thanks very much!!

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by aquascoot on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 7:38am

All the good you create will be attacked.
to not think so is naive

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by Sprintcyclist on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 7:42am

Swagman wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 6:57am:

.......That's just 30 months interest on Labor's debt legacy......

I am saddened by that.

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by innocentbystander. on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 7:43am

aquascoot wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 7:38am:

All the good you create will be attacked.
to not think so is naive

What if you are a Green and you think all the good is actually bad and you want it to be attacked and the attackers are your saviours. :D

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by Bam on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 7:50am

Quote:

$30,000,000,000 Extra For War !

... over 10 years.

We need to look at the annual figure on all such policy announcements to ensure we are comparing like with like.

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by BigOl64 on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 8:55am

____ wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 5:39am:

And what is more important that the security of ones country; without that, you have nothing, you dill.

We spend fkkk all in comparison to our neighbours on defence, if you want to find out who your enemies are, let them have the power to invade you.

Just ask East Timor and West Papua, what it is like to be invaded because your 'powerful friend' is nothing more than a gutless coward (yes Australia) with no desire to protect the weak and vulnerable from scumbag indonesians.

>:( >:( >:( >:(

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by Swagman on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 8:58am

Bam wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 7:50am:

Quote:

$30,000,000,000 Extra For War !

... over 10 years.

We need to look at the annual figure on all such policy announcements to ensure we are comparing like with like.

That's true.

$3 Billion a year for defense..... compared to $12 Billion a year in interest payments, from Leftist Govt overspending.... :(

Puts it into context somewhat don't it.... :D

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by 21st Century Dialup Network on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 9:02am

Swagman wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 8:58am:

Bam wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 7:50am:

Quote:

$30,000,000,000 Extra For War !

... over 10 years.

We need to look at the annual figure on all such policy announcements to ensure we are comparing like with like.

That's true.

$3 Billion a year for defense..... compared to $12 Billion a year in interest payments, from Leftist Govt overspending.... :(

Puts it into context somewhat don't it.... :D

Which is about what it would take to build FTTP - and FTTP would have an roi of 10% -defense does not!

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-06/has-the-government-doubled-the-budget-deficit/5423392

Damn that ~~ALP~~....

The LNP have doubled the budget deficit - they are responsible for the budget deficit.

As was Howard when he was treasurer!

60% of the 96 billion in 1996 can be attributed to his time as treasurer.

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by Swagman on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 9:24am

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 9:02am:

The LNP have doubled the budget deficit - they are responsible for the budget deficit.

Sorry.......the billion a month interest bill was applicable in 2013 - 14 fiscal year

The Coalition and Australian tax-payer inherited Labor's debt, the interest on Labor's debt and Rudd -> Gillard -> Rudd Labor's 6 budget deficits. :D

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by cods on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 9:29am

Swagman wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 9:24am:

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 9:02am:

The LNP have doubled the budget deficit - they are responsible for the budget deficit.

they forget labor started borrowing for the stimulus..way back in 2008....they spent their inherited surplus....on WHAT we will never know.... ho hum..

at least if the libs are borrowing we could have some planes and subs to show for it.

unlike labors debt.. NOTHING>

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by John Smith on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 9:36am

cods wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 9:29am:

are you nuts? labor had the gfc to deal with, the libs propsal at the time was going to cost almost as much as labors. Australia was one of few countries to avoid a recession because of labors policies.

The libs have now DOUBLED the deficit and no GFC. :D :D :D :D

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by Leftwinger on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 9:37am

cods wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 9:29am:

Swagman wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 9:24am:

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 9:02am:

The LNP have doubled the budget deficit - they are responsible for the budget deficit.

What have Libs got to show from doubling the budget deficit apart from low economic growth , lowest wage growth in 18 years , highest unemployment in years ? Ever feel like you have been cheated :D

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by Leftwinger on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 9:38am

Economic messiahs piggggsss arse

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by tickleandrose on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 9:40am

And the Liberal government have what? Since they took power, they have made cuts to health, disability, education, abc, sbs. They also tried to cut merger incomes of nursing home elderlies and veterans by way of indexation. They increased tax for the rich. And all that, the budge deficit still blow up by billions.

I think the Liberal government have lost its directions.

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by 21st Century Dialup Network on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 10:13am

Swagman wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 9:24am:

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 9:02am:

The LNP have doubled the budget deficit - they are responsible for the budget deficit.

They have still caused the budget deficit to double - even taking into account the alp's deficit.

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by Sir lastnail on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 10:23am

____ wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 5:39am:

And a whole lot of crappy F-35's with single engines. Much cheaper to get some old F-86 Sabre jets from the Arizona museum and retrofit them :D LOL

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by Swagman on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 10:39am

John Smith wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 9:36am:

cods wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 9:29am:

Your ignorance slip is showing once again Jonathon.

They haven't doubled the debt or interest commitment though. They have been trying to rein it in actually, but are being blocked by the ridiculously irresponsible and unrepresentative Senate.

Labor was actually in Govt right throughout the mining commodities boom and whilst Australia enjoyed record high terms of trade and record high iron ore prices yet they still managed to rack up enough debt that is costing the tax-payer a Billion Dollars a month.

The economic outlook for Australia is far worse at present than at any time during the GFC.

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by BigOl64 on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 10:55am

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 10:23am:

____ wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 5:39am:

And a whole lot of crappy F-35's with single engines. Much cheaper to get some old F-86 Sabre jets from the Arizona museum and retrofit them :D LOL

And you with your decades of experience working on /with advanced fighter jets. Well you do have years of experience in believing everything you see on YouTube. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Lets keep the technical stuff to the technical people and you stick to whinging about house prices shall we.

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by John Smith on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 11:29am

Swagman wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 10:39am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 9:36am:

cods wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 9:29am:

who mentioned the debt Swag? and what budget saving policies are being blocked? are you referring to the cuts to medicare abbott wanted to make where ALL the money went into a future fund? or perhaps your referring to the increase in GST that would end up costing more than it raised? tell me which policies exactly are budget saving?

If the economic outlook is worse, it's because we have id iots in charge. Only a lib would claim the current economi c climate is worse than during the GFC

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by Sir lastnail on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 5:41pm

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 10:55am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 10:23am:

____ wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 5:39am:

And a whole lot of crappy F-35's with single engines. Much cheaper to get some old F-86 Sabre jets from the Arizona museum and retrofit them :D LOL

Single engine jet aircrafts are so old school. You'd have to be completrely retarded to even contemplate such primitive designs !!

And does this thing have thrust vectoring ?

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by Sir Bobby on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 5:44pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 5:41pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 10:55am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 10:23am:

____ wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 5:39am:

And a whole lot of crappy F-35's with single engines. Much cheaper to get some old F-86 Sabre jets from the Arizona museum and retrofit them :D LOL

Single engine jet aircrafts are so old school. You'd have to be completrely retarded to even contemplate such primitive designs !!

And does this thing have thrust vectoring ?

And what if Trump wins the election & abandons the F35 project?
Didn't he say he would?

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by Sir lastnail on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 5:46pm

Bobby. wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 5:44pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 5:41pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 10:55am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 10:23am:

____ wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 5:39am:

And a whole lot of crappy F-35's with single engines. Much cheaper to get some old F-86 Sabre jets from the Arizona museum and retrofit them :D LOL

Single engine jet aircrafts are so old school. You'd have to be completrely retarded to even contemplate such primitive designs !!

And does this thing have thrust vectoring ?

And what if Trump wins the election & abandons the F35 project?
Didn't he say he would?

Yeh Trump reckons it's been a bad deal right from the start and should be scrapped.

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by Leftwinger on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 5:56pm

Bobby. wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 5:44pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 5:41pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 10:55am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 10:23am:

____ wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 5:39am:

And a whole lot of crappy F-35's with single engines. Much cheaper to get some old F-86 Sabre jets from the Arizona museum and retrofit them :D LOL

Single engine jet aircrafts are so old school. You'd have to be completrely retarded to even contemplate such primitive designs !!

And does this thing have thrust vectoring ?

And what if Trump wins the election & abandons the F35 project?
Didn't he say he would?

About the only sensible thing he has said

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by BigOl64 on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 6:14pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 5:41pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 10:55am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 10:23am:

____ wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 5:39am:

And a whole lot of crappy F-35's with single engines. Much cheaper to get some old F-86 Sabre jets from the Arizona museum and retrofit them :D LOL

Single engine jet aircrafts are so old school. You'd have to be completrely retarded to even contemplate such primitive designs !!

And does this thing have thrust vectoring ?

Jeezus fukk, this is a new low.

Having two engines is NOT a technological advancement. it is a specification, some fighters have two, some have one, been that what for a long time genius.

90ec535f29114de13661beb80f1faab55d81abe11809c00eeef262493e34083c.jpg (86 KB | 35 )

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by Sir lastnail on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 7:21pm

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 6:14pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 5:41pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 10:55am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 10:23am:

____ wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 5:39am:

And a whole lot of crappy F-35's with single engines. Much cheaper to get some old F-86 Sabre jets from the Arizona museum and retrofit them :D LOL

Single engine jet aircrafts are so old school. You'd have to be completrely retarded to even contemplate such primitive designs !!

And does this thing have thrust vectoring ?

Jeezus fukk, this is a new low.

Having two engines is NOT a technological advancement. it is a specification, some fighters have two, some have one, been that what for a long time genius.

So if one engine flames out then what ? Start peddling :D LOL

Does the F-35 have thrust vectoring ? No - I didnlt think so. It's a 5th generation toy :D LOL

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by innocentbystander. on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 10:40pm

Its time wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 5:56pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 5:44pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 5:41pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 10:55am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 10:23am:

____ wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 5:39am:

And a whole lot of crappy F-35's with single engines. Much cheaper to get some old F-86 Sabre jets from the Arizona museum and retrofit them :D LOL

Single engine jet aircrafts are so old school. You'd have to be completrely retarded to even contemplate such primitive designs !!

And does this thing have thrust vectoring ?

And what if Trump wins the election & abandons the F35 project?
Didn't he say he would?

About the only sensible thing he has said

So you don't think not letting in Mexican drug dealers and rapists is sensible then?, you must be a lefty ;D

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by Greens_Win on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 5:44am

Those that support throwing money at the war machine, just for the sake of it ... where were they when the coalition were attacking our ability of soft diplomacy via ABC's asian network?

How come only noisy subs and dud fighters are the only arrow's in the coalition's quill?

Return and lift funding to the ABC and SBS ... and give back the Asian Network to the ABC.

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by Armchair_Politician on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 5:55am

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 6:14pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 5:41pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 10:55am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 10:23am:

____ wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 5:39am:

And a whole lot of crappy F-35's with single engines. Much cheaper to get some old F-86 Sabre jets from the Arizona museum and retrofit them :D LOL

Single engine jet aircrafts are so old school. You'd have to be completrely retarded to even contemplate such primitive designs !!

And does this thing have thrust vectoring ?

Jeezus fukk, this is a new low.

Having two engines is NOT a technological advancement. it is a specification, some fighters have two, some have one, been that what for a long time genius.

The F-16 is one of the best multi-role fighter jets ever made AND it's a single engine aircraft AND it doesn't possess stealthy technology like the F-35 does.

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by Sir Bobby on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 6:06am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 5:55am:

The F-16 is one of the best multi-role fighter jets ever made AND it's a single engine aircraft AND it doesn't possess stealthy technology like the F-35 does.

But the F35 is a flying brick -

it can't turn - & it can't climb faster than a tiger moth.

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by Armchair_Politician on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:48am

Bobby. wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 6:06am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 5:55am:

The F-16 is one of the best multi-role fighter jets ever made AND it's a single engine aircraft AND it doesn't possess stealthy technology like the F-35 does.

But the F35 is a flying brick -

it can't turn - & it can't climb faster than a tiger moth.

You're a real bullshit artist, you know that? The Cessna I learned to fly in climbs faster than a Tiger Moth. Oh, and the F-35 turns quite well, actually. You don't have a clue what you're talking about - just parroting the crap spewed by the opponents of the F-35 without giving it any thought yourself. You're pretty gullible.

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by Leftwinger on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:50am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:48am:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 6:06am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 5:55am:

The F-16 is one of the best multi-role fighter jets ever made AND it's a single engine aircraft AND it doesn't possess stealthy technology like the F-35 does.

But the F35 is a flying brick -

it can't turn - & it can't climb faster than a tiger moth.

Was pretty funny though

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by BigOl64 on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 9:25am

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 5:44am:

There is a massive arms build u in our art of the world and you want us to invest in a K-Pop radio station instead of advanced weapons systems to protect our country.

How the fkk do you even tie your laces to go to the dole office and get your handout?

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by Greens_Win on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 9:35am

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 9:25am:

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 5:44am:

Defence is defence ... warmongering is not defence.

By using all means available, including diplomacy, direct and soft, we can have the biggest bang for our bucks.

To devalue diplomacy, shows your lack of understanding behind human behaviour and the economics that underpin our way of life.

To cut spending to organisations like CSIRO. To try and make higher education a luxury item.

So many actions of the coalition to weaken Australia and to save money, so to throw the cash back so to make the military sector fat and lazy.

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by Armchair_Politician on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 11:02am

BTW, this budget increase restores what Labor gouged from Defence over six years, but does include extra spending as well. Why does Labor hate our ADF so much?

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by Leftwinger on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 11:40am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 11:02am:

BTW, this budget increase restores what Labor gouged from Defence over six years, but does include extra spending as well. Why does Labor hate our ADF so much?

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-24/turnbull-defence-fact-check/7196360

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by mariacostel on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 5:22pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:48am:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 6:06am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 5:55am:

The F-16 is one of the best multi-role fighter jets ever made AND it's a single engine aircraft AND it doesn't possess stealthy technology like the F-35 does.

But the F35 is a flying brick -

it can't turn - & it can't climb faster than a tiger moth.

I picked that up about Bobby months ago. He is extraordinarily gullible. Definitely a single-engine brain.

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by mariacostel on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 5:24pm

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 9:35am:

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 9:25am:

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 5:44am:

"the best defence is a good offence". Or are you the last ignoramus not to know that? Why do you think countries dont attack the USA? Because of their defences or because they will get blown to hell if they try?

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by BigOl64 on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 5:47pm

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 9:35am:

Defence is defence ... warmongering is not defence.

Defence is not waiting until you have been invaded and fighting for your very existence. It is very much includes ones ability to project force outside your country and fight as part of an integrated coalition.

The greens defence policy is fkken joke, much like all the green's policies.

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by John Smith on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 5:53pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:48am:

The Cessna I learned to fly in climbs faster than a Tiger Moth.

;D ;D ;D

typical lib, thinks last centuries technology will do :D :D :D :D

a tiger moth? please those things were already old before I was even born :D :D :D

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by Leftwinger on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 6:29pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 5:53pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:48am:

The Cessna I learned to fly in climbs faster than a Tiger Moth.

;D ;D ;D

typical lib, thinks last centuries technology will do :D :D :D :D

a tiger moth? please those things were already old before I was even born :D :D :D

Did armpit tell you about the time he was an astronaut ?

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by Leftwinger on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 6:37pm

This white paper was released as a deflection from the Libs embarrassing performance with NG, Turnbull was making a point of steering the conversation towards Defence hoping to get some sort of criticism, but good ol Labor were on to that school boy trap. Then we had Turnbull busting out the Abort slogans , vote Labor and you will be poorer , oh dear rightards , its not looking good ;D

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by Greens_Win on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 7:34pm

mariacostel wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 5:24pm:

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 9:35am:

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 9:25am:

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 5:44am:

The best defence is interconnection. By drawing out our similarities and our showing combined future, we can then put our war toys aside and move on.
Soft diplomacy is one of the ways to achieve this end. The ABC's Asian Network was a vital part ... until the coalition's ideological war on the ABC killed it.

Meanwhile Australia's current plan is to enter a arms race with a region which will have 80% of the world's economy in a few decades. An arms race is a sure bet loss for Australia (and the US).

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by Greens_Win on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 7:45pm

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 5:47pm:

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 9:35am:

Defence is defence ... warmongering is not defence.

So how are a handful of extremely noisy subs suppose to protect us during a cyber war ... will they finally be able to keep the illegal Japanese whalers out of our waters?

The hawks who want to financially profit from the war machine, want to equip us for a 20th century war, not a 21st.

I have no problem with well thought out investment in defence. Unfortunately Australia is being taken for a ride by the US ... and the coalition ~ and labor ~ are saying "jump how high"?

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:45pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 6:37am:

____ wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 5:39am:

The ADF is more than just war. They also do humanitarian and relief work.

And gang rape, sexual harassment, and bullying.

Don't forget the gang rape, sexual harassment, and bullying.

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by Sir Bobby on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:52pm

mariacostel wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 5:22pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:48am:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 6:06am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 5:55am:

The F-16 is one of the best multi-role fighter jets ever made AND it's a single engine aircraft AND it doesn't possess stealthy technology like the F-35 does.

But the F35 is a flying brick -

it can't turn - & it can't climb faster than a tiger moth.

I picked that up about Bobby months ago. He is extraordinarily gullible. Definitely a single-engine brain.

And you've never heard of hyperbole - fool!

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by Leftwinger on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 9:23pm

Bobby. wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:52pm:

mariacostel wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 5:22pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:48am:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 6:06am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 5:55am:

The F-16 is one of the best multi-role fighter jets ever made AND it's a single engine aircraft AND it doesn't possess stealthy technology like the F-35 does.

But the F35 is a flying brick -

it can't turn - & it can't climb faster than a tiger moth.

I picked that up about Bobby months ago. He is extraordinarily gullible. Definitely a single-engine brain.

And you've never heard of hyperbole - fool!

I found it most entertaining , well done for hooking a cpl of rightards :)

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by Sir Bobby on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 9:29pm

Its time wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 9:23pm:

I found it most entertaining , well done for hooking a cpl of rightards :)

The only reason we're getting F35s is that we can operate as a team with the Yanks.
No other plane will do that.

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by Leftwinger on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 9:52pm

Bobby. wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 9:29pm:

Its time wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 9:23pm:

I found it most entertaining , well done for hooking a cpl of rightards :)

The only reason we're getting F35s is that we can operate as a team with the Yanks.
No other plane will do that.

Couldnt we retrofit our tiger moths ?

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by mariacostel on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 3:46pm

Its time wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 6:29pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 5:53pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:48am:

The Cessna I learned to fly in climbs faster than a Tiger Moth.

;D ;D ;D

typical lib, thinks last centuries technology will do :D :D :D :D

a tiger moth? please those things were already old before I was even born :D :D :D

Did armpit tell you about the time he was an astronaut ?

That was Grappler.

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by mariacostel on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 3:47pm

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 7:34pm:

mariacostel wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 5:24pm:

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 9:35am:

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 9:25am:

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 5:44am:

"Peace in our time"

Some people do not learn from history,

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by mariacostel on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 3:49pm

Bobby. wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:52pm:

mariacostel wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 5:22pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:48am:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 6:06am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 5:55am:

The F-16 is one of the best multi-role fighter jets ever made AND it's a single engine aircraft AND it doesn't possess stealthy technology like the F-35 does.

But the F35 is a flying brick -

it can't turn - & it can't climb faster than a tiger moth.

I picked that up about Bobby months ago. He is extraordinarily gullible. Definitely a single-engine brain.

And you've never heard of hyperbole - fool!

Nice try, but your ignorance on almost every topic is legendary. You only learned after-the-fact that the F35 can actually go VERTICAL for brief periods. Try that in a tiger moth.

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by Sir Bobby on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 3:52pm

mariacostel wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 3:49pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:52pm:

mariacostel wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 5:22pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:48am:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 6:06am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 5:55am:

The F-16 is one of the best multi-role fighter jets ever made AND it's a single engine aircraft AND it doesn't possess stealthy technology like the F-35 does.

But the F35 is a flying brick -

it can't turn - & it can't climb faster than a tiger moth.

I picked that up about Bobby months ago. He is extraordinarily gullible. Definitely a single-engine brain.

And you've never heard of hyperbole - fool!

Nice try, but your ignorance on almost every topic is legendary. You only learned after-the-fact that the F35 can actually go VERTICAL for brief periods. Try that in a tiger moth.

Longy/Maria,
just sell your fibro dump in Adelaide before property crashes
& stay out of technical discussions.

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by Greens_Win on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 3:57pm

mariacostel wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 3:47pm:

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 7:34pm:

mariacostel wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 5:24pm:

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 9:35am:

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 9:25am:

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 5:44am:

"Peace in our time"

Some people do not learn from history,

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Peace in our time requires different behaviours, based on critical thinking.

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by Sir Bobby on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 3:58pm

[quote author=mariacostel link=1456342744/58#58 date=1456552175]
Bobby. wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:52pm:

mariacostel wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 5:22pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:48am:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 6:06am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 5:55am:

The F-16 is one of the best multi-role fighter jets ever made AND it's a single engine aircraft AND it doesn't possess stealthy technology like the F-35 does.

But the F35 is a flying brick -

it can't turn - & it can't climb faster than a tiger moth.

I picked that up about Bobby months ago. He is extraordinarily gullible. Definitely a single-engine brain.

And you've never heard of hyperbole - fool!

Nice try, but your ignorance on almost every topic is legendary. You only learned after-the-fact that the F35 can actually go VERTICAL for brief periods. Try that in a tiger moth.[/quote]

Longy/Maria,
just sell your fibro dump in Adelaide before property crashes
& stay out of technical discussions.

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by mariacostel on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 4:10pm

Bobby. wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 3:52pm:

mariacostel wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 3:49pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:52pm:

mariacostel wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 5:22pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:48am:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 6:06am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 5:55am:

The F-16 is one of the best multi-role fighter jets ever made AND it's a single engine aircraft AND it doesn't possess stealthy technology like the F-35 does.

But the F35 is a flying brick -

it can't turn - & it can't climb faster than a tiger moth.

I picked that up about Bobby months ago. He is extraordinarily gullible. Definitely a single-engine brain.

And you've never heard of hyperbole - fool!

Nice try, but your ignorance on almost every topic is legendary. You only learned after-the-fact that the F35 can actually go VERTICAL for brief periods. Try that in a tiger moth.

Longy/Maria,
just sell your fibro dump in Adelaide before property crashes
& stay out of technical discussions.

Have you ever even been in a plane, nevermind in the cockpit? All you EVER DO is swallow whatever garbage out there because you are very gullible and horribly ignorant. A dope wouldnt have said what you did.

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by BigOl64 on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 4:20pm

Bobby. wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 3:58pm:

Longy/Maria,
just sell your fibro dump in Adelaide before property crashes
& stay out of technical discussions.

Coming from a genius like you, that's a bit rich isn't it?

I doubt you have dealt with anything more technical then setting up record on your PVR and even that would have been a challenge for you.

You have never worked on or with fast jets, so let's leave your 'expertise' out of this shall we.

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by Sir Bobby on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 4:20pm

mariacostel wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 4:10pm:

You're the one who swallows.

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by innocentbystander. on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 6:32pm

____ wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 3:57pm:

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Don't bring the renewable energy can provide base load argument into it.

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by Karnal on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 6:40pm

Bobby. wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 4:20pm:

mariacostel wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 4:10pm:

You're the one who swallows.

Delish.

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by Karnal on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 7:21pm

Bobby. wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 3:58pm:

[quote author=mariacostel link=1456342744/58#58 date=1456552175]
Bobby. wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:52pm:

mariacostel wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 5:22pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:48am:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 6:06am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 5:55am:

The F-16 is one of the best multi-role fighter jets ever made AND it's a single engine aircraft AND it doesn't possess stealthy technology like the F-35 does.

But the F35 is a flying brick -

it can't turn - & it can't climb faster than a tiger moth.

I picked that up about Bobby months ago. He is extraordinarily gullible. Definitely a single-engine brain.

And you've never heard of hyperbole - fool!

Nice try, but your ignorance on almost every topic is legendary. You only learned after-the-fact that the F35 can actually go VERTICAL for brief periods. Try that in a tiger moth.

Longy/Maria,
just sell your fibro dump in Adelaide before property crashes
& stay out of technical discussions.

[/quote]

Maria lives in Sydney, Bobbie. She drives a Camry. Hubbie drives the Merc. She won't say where she's from.

It's Longy who lives in Adelaide, poor thing. What do people actually do there?

Oh, that's right - start a multi-million dollar small business from nothing and write award-winning fiction, better that Hemmingway.

He's that good.

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by Sir Bobby on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 10:13pm

Melanias purse wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 7:21pm:

Maria lives in Sydney, Bobbie. She drives a Camry. Hubbie drives the Merc. She won't say where she's from.

It's Longy who lives in Adelaide, poor thing. What do people actually do there?

Oh, that's right - start a multi-million dollar small business from nothing and write award-winning fiction, better that Hemmingway.

He's that good.

I think Longy/Maria should come clean & admit who he really is.

No one believes his rubbish.

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by stunspore on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 8:40am

Was reading from this website
http://theaimn.com/49628-2/

excerpt from link:

“I don’t see it as a choice,” Defence Minister Marise Payne tells Leigh Sales, on Thursday’s 7:30 Report when asked why her government is borrowing to spend up to $150 billion to acquire and run twelve new submarines at $12.5 billion a pop over thirty years while denying schools and hospitals the $80 billion they need to keep open today.

Payne does not explain why the cost is now three times the estimate of the government when Tony Abbott was PM. The new vibe helps Payne assert a moral relativism that sweeps defence spending out of scrutiny.

Payne isn’t asked to explain why there is no case for this number. It is just a target from the 2009 White Paper which has just been repeated. We can’t crew twelve subs and Defence probably could only deploy six. Nor is she asked about the consequences of a likely winning Japanese bid tying our defence policy to that nation at the expense of any independence in the Pacific.

Five state of the art $2.5 billion hospitals could be built for the cost of just one sub subsidy. But it’s not just a troubling priority, it’s a huge blind spot in government industry policy. Submarine building, like all defence spending, involves massively expensive industry subsidies however many Australian flags you cloak it in.

Having closed down Australia’s car industry the government scrambles to tip buckets of money into an industry just because it is marked “defence”. Few Australians will benefit.

-------------
Seems puzzling.

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by mariacostel on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 11:22am

stunspore wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 8:40am:

What is puzzling is 'closed down australias car industry. The writer seems to forget that three of the 5 manufacturers clsoed shop under labor and the other two decided to leave under labor and announced it weeks after the last election. It was in fact LABOR who closed down the car industry.

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by Sir Bobby on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 12:13pm

mariacostel wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 11:22am:

It's all Labor's fault!

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by stunspore on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 1:33pm

well the lib response (rightly or wrongly) is definitely different to lab response to car manufacturing.

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by John Smith on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 2:54pm

mariacostel wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 11:22am:

still making it up as you go I see. :D :D :D

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by stunspore on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 3:18pm

I wonder why Maria isn't wondering at the increased cost/estimates of the submarines.

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by Soren on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 5:14pm

Melanias purse wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 7:21pm:

You keep tabs on people, don't you, PB?

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by mariacostel on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 5:56pm

Bobby. wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 12:13pm:

mariacostel wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 11:22am:

It's all Labor's fault!

Yes it is. You finally worked it out.

Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by LEUT Bigvicfella (RTD) on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 7:44pm

This seemed pertinent

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Title: Re: $30,000,000,000 Extra For War !
Post by stunspore on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 8:04pm

It sure is lab's fault for stopping libs.