$373 000 to fit out an office .... friggen ridiculous.

All politicians should be made to fit out there offices using ONLY IKEA or Fantastic Furniture products.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-18/victorian-government-office-cost-over-300k-committee-hears/7181928

You can buy a 4 *2 house for that , daferk does one put in an office that costs that much ?

Its time wrote on Feb 18^th, 2016 at 7:41pm:

You can buy a 4 *2 house for that , daferk does one put in an office that costs that much ?

how much of that $373 k do you think got filtered through to repairs to his own house, or cash bonuses refunded to him by his tradesmen?

That must have been bloody expensive carpet.

Barnaby spent a tick over $740k on 2 offices it does seem bloody expensive.

John Smith wrote on Feb 18^th, 2016 at 7:43pm:

Its time wrote on Feb 18th, 2016 at 7:41pm: You can buy a 4 *2 house for that , daferk does one put in an office that costs that much ? how much of that $373 k do you think got filtered through to repairs to his own house, or cash bonuses refunded to him by his tradesmen?

You certainly have to wonder , anybody know where you can find an itemized list for these "fit outs"?

oh dear wrote on Feb 18^th, 2016 at 8:01pm:

Barnaby spent a tick over $740k on 2 offices it does seem bloody expensive.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pOwvzeYgZ7M/UigWevRXXyI/AAAAAAAABFQ/insNE6k_1TU/s1600/alpad7.jpg

It's the Labour that's expensive....

John Smith wrote on Feb 18^th, 2016 at 7:43pm:

Its time wrote on Feb 18th, 2016 at 7:41pm: You can buy a 4 *2 house for that , daferk does one put in an office that costs that much ? how much of that $373 k do you think got filtered through to repairs to his own house, or cash bonuses refunded to him by his tradesmen?

All done by union tradesmen. No corruption, right?

oh dear wrote on Feb 18^th, 2016 at 8:01pm:

Barnaby spent a tick over $740k on 2 offices it does seem bloody expensive.

As soon as contractors see it is a government fitout they add a zero to the back of the quote.

oh dear wrote on Feb 18^th, 2016 at 8:01pm:

Barnaby spent a tick over $740k on 2 offices it does seem bloody expensive.

Coalition seems to have plenty of spending/rorting/channeling money to their pockets as well then.

http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/federal-mps-spend-big-on-office-fitouts/news-story/7030f616e12fda48448f64bb96acf689

Ofc - the lib supporters will just ignore/deflect/double standards.  Even if it is twice the amount (actually bit more than twice).

mariacostel wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 3:49pm:

oh dear wrote on Feb 18th, 2016 at 8:01pm: Barnaby spent a tick over $740k on 2 offices it does seem bloody expensive. As soon as contractors see it is a government fitout they add a zero to the back of the quote.

That about sums it up!

stunspore wrote on Feb 20^th, 2016 at 4:52am:

oh dear wrote on Feb 18th, 2016 at 8:01pm: Barnaby spent a tick over $740k on 2 offices it does seem bloody expensive. Coalition seems to have plenty of spending/rorting/channeling money to their pockets as well then. http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/federal-mps-spend-big-on-office-fitouts/news-story/7030f616e12fda48448f64bb96acf689 Ofc - the lib supporters will just ignore/deflect/double standards.  Even if it is twice the amount (actually bit more than twice).

You seem to not notice that the report mentions ALL MPs, not just Libs.

Because I know you will.

Hmm.. as predicted.  Nothing negative to say about a fellow lib.

mariacostel wrote on Feb 20^th, 2016 at 9:28am:

stunspore wrote on Feb 20th, 2016 at 4:52am: oh dear wrote on Feb 18th, 2016 at 8:01pm: Barnaby spent a tick over $740k on 2 offices it does seem bloody expensive. Coalition seems to have plenty of spending/rorting/channeling money to their pockets as well then. http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/federal-mps-spend-big-on-office-fitouts/news-story/7030f616e12fda48448f64bb96acf689 Ofc - the lib supporters will just ignore/deflect/double standards.  Even if it is twice the amount (actually bit more than twice). You seem to not notice that the report mentions ALL MPs, not just Libs.

Federal MPs spend big on office fit-outs 

Agriculture Minister Barnaby Joyce spent more than $670,000 on taxpayer-funded office fit-outs in 2015.

The latest Finance Department parliamentary entitlement figures show Mr Joyce spent $670,897 on office fit-outs in the first half of 2015.

He wasn’t the only parliamentarian who ran up a hefty bill, with Greens MP Adam Bandt and government backbencher Keith Pitt dropping $323,697 and $320,308 respectively on their offices.

Justice Minister Michael Keenan spent $300,510, while Labor frontbenchers Jason Clare and Mark Dreyfus charged taxpayers $264,920 and $227,991 respectively for improvements to their offices.






   


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What do you think happens when an office refit is ordered? Do you think the MP has much say in it? Does he demand that they get furniture from IKEA or get some local tradesmen to put it together? Nope. It goes through the government system that has contracts in place for preferred suppliers who all charge like wounded bulls. And the MP ends up with what he gets with little or no say in the matter. Or have you not wondered why it isnt a few MPs or even a lot of them but EVERY SINGLE ONE?

Maria trying to explain cost in a logical/rational manner?  How odd....

What about the "union tradesman" jib?

Pathetic, maria.  I would say that private businesses do more ripping off/rorting.  This with as much evidence/proof you provided in your little statement.  None.

stunspore wrote on Feb 20^th, 2016 at 2:32pm:

Maria trying to explain cost in a logical/rational manner?  How odd.... What about the "union tradesman" jib? Pathetic, maria.  I would say that private businesses do more ripping off/rorting.  This with as much evidence/proof you provided in your little statement.  None.

Some of you have literally stated that unions and unionist do not rip off people or act in a corrupt manner.  How many of these companies are staffed by union labour?  Most.

mariacostel wrote on Feb 20^th, 2016 at 4:37pm:

stunspore wrote on Feb 20th, 2016 at 2:32pm: Maria trying to explain cost in a logical/rational manner?  How odd.... What about the "union tradesman" jib? Pathetic, maria.  I would say that private businesses do more ripping off/rorting.  This with as much evidence/proof you provided in your little statement.  None. Some of you have literally stated that unions and unionist do not rip off people or act in a corrupt manner.  How many of these companies are staffed by union labour?  Most.

The staff dont usually make the profit tool!  >:( >:( >:(

mariacostel wrote on Feb 20^th, 2016 at 4:37pm:

stunspore wrote on Feb 20th, 2016 at 2:32pm: Maria trying to explain cost in a logical/rational manner?  How odd.... What about the "union tradesman" jib? Pathetic, maria.  I would say that private businesses do more ripping off/rorting.  This with as much evidence/proof you provided in your little statement.  None. Some of you have literally stated that unions and unionist do not rip off people or act in a corrupt manner.  How many of these companies are staffed by union labour?  Most.

Might be staffed, but may not be in charge of costings.  Considering companies with no union members (i.e. LNP) seems weird to just "target" unions.  Besides, imagine trying to negotiate with large organisations, say, the defence force all with similar roles.  Be ages if each individual have to go and negotiate a new contract/variation/salary rise.  So is the Defence force union corrupt?  Is the nursing union corrupt?  It isn't the organisation but the people and unless people like lib supporters target corrupt people (and not organisations) it sort hard to think it isn't bias and irrational hate.

mariacostel wrote on Feb 20^th, 2016 at 10:03am:

What do you think happens when an office refit is ordered? Do you think the MP has much say in it? Does he demand that they get furniture from IKEA or get some local tradesmen to put it together? Nope. It goes through the government system that has contracts in place for preferred suppliers who all charge like wounded bulls. And the MP ends up with what he gets with little or no say in the matter. Or have you not wondered why it isnt a few MPs or even a lot of them but EVERY SINGLE ONE?

Why not actually ask someone who does know how the process works?  Or the specifics of that reported.  Pointless Maria drivel.

stunspore wrote on Feb 20^th, 2016 at 4:46pm:

mariacostel wrote on Feb 20th, 2016 at 10:03am: What do you think happens when an office refit is ordered? Do you think the MP has much say in it? Does he demand that they get furniture from IKEA or get some local tradesmen to put it together? Nope. It goes through the government system that has contracts in place for preferred suppliers who all charge like wounded bulls. And the MP ends up with what he gets with little or no say in the matter. Or have you not wondered why it isnt a few MPs or even a lot of them but EVERY SINGLE ONE? Why not actually ask someone who does know how the process works?  Or the specifics of that reported.  Pointless Maria drivel.

I have actually done a great deal of business with government and there are a few things you clearly don't seem to understand. The first thing is that 'price' is rarely the issue. ALl the other important things are: are you union-compliant, do you have gender-equality processes in place, are you this, that and the other thing. After you get through that, the price  may or may not be an issue. One thing though, it is rarely a price-competitive bid. The winning tenderer will often be the most expensive.

When you bid on a job for private industry, all the rules are different. They want a good price, good supply, good support and a good product. Government wants almost everything other than a good price as long as you can fulfill a whole lot of other requirements. THIS is why it casts $500K to upgrade an office which you could subcontract yourself for probably $50K.

You havent experienced anything until you have been told that your quote on a government job is too low and been suggested to QUADRUPLE IT. And yes, we got the job!

mariacostel wrote on Feb 20^th, 2016 at 6:03pm:

stunspore wrote on Feb 20th, 2016 at 4:46pm: mariacostel wrote on Feb 20th, 2016 at 10:03am: What do you think happens when an office refit is ordered? Do you think the MP has much say in it? Does he demand that they get furniture from IKEA or get some local tradesmen to put it together? Nope. It goes through the government system that has contracts in place for preferred suppliers who all charge like wounded bulls. And the MP ends up with what he gets with little or no say in the matter. Or have you not wondered why it isnt a few MPs or even a lot of them but EVERY SINGLE ONE? Why not actually ask someone who does know how the process works?  Or the specifics of that reported.  Pointless Maria drivel. I have actually done a great deal of business with government and there are a few things you clearly don't seem to understand. The first thing is that 'price' is rarely the issue. ALl the other important things are: are you union-compliant, do you have gender-equality processes in place, are you this, that and the other thing. After you get through that, the price  may or may not be an issue. One thing though, it is rarely a price-competitive bid. The winning tenderer will often be the most expensive. When you bid on a job for private industry, all the rules are different. They want a good price, good supply, good support and a good product. Government wants almost everything other than a good price as long as you can fulfill a whole lot of other requirements. THIS is why it casts $500K to upgrade an office which you could subcontract yourself for probably $50K. You havent experienced anything until you have been told that your quote on a government job is too low and been suggested to QUADRUPLE IT. And yes, we got the job!

Sure, I will accept your word at face value.  So the government is wanting goods/services from ethical companies - not sweat shop workers.

mariacostel wrote on Feb 20^th, 2016 at 6:03pm:

I have actually done a great deal of business with government

;D ;D ;D