http://www.afr.com/news/politics/long-list-of-safety-issues-at-queensland-nickel-court-told-20160213-gmtaog


he administrator for Clive Palmer's failed Queensland Nickel said a number of "red flag" issues relating to environmental and occupational health and safety management at the ageing refinery could force its early closure.



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Queensland Nickel was placed into voluntary administration on January 18, only days after 237 workers were sacked. The company has total debt of more than $100 million and is bleeding cash, with fears about the future of the remaining 500 workers.

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One problem related to the stability of the tailings dam – containing dangerous material like ammonia and other waste – which independent environmental consultants have estimated could cost more than $10 million to fix.

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FTI Consulting director John Park said the accounting value of the business was "worthless" because the main assets of the refinery were held by Mr Palmer's parent companies, QNI Metals and QNI Resources, which were not placed in administration. "There are limited assets available to be realised. The only items of value could be contracts and licences. The chairperson [Mr Park] further advised that the business is incurring a loss of approximately $50 million a year," the minutes said.

looks like palmer creamed everything he could out of the place..

cods wrote on Feb 16^th, 2016 at 1:40pm:

looks like palmer creamed everything he could out of the place..

Would you expect anything else?

cods wrote on Feb 16^th, 2016 at 1:40pm:

http://www.afr.com/news/politics/long-list-of-safety-issues-at-queensland-nickel-court-told-20160213-gmtaog he administrator for Clive Palmer's failed Queensland Nickel said a number of "red flag" issues relating to environmental and occupational health and safety management at the ageing refinery could force its early closure. Quote: Queensland Nickel was placed into voluntary administration on January 18, only days after 237 workers were sacked. The company has total debt of more than $100 million and is bleeding cash, with fears about the future of the remaining 500 workers. [quote]One problem related to the stability of the tailings dam – containing dangerous material like ammonia and other waste – which independent environmental consultants have estimated could cost more than $10 million to fix.

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FTI Consulting director John Park said the accounting value of the business was "worthless" because the main assets of the refinery were held by Mr Palmer's parent companies, QNI Metals and QNI Resources, which were not placed in administration. "There are limited assets available to be realised. The only items of value could be contracts and licences. The chairperson [Mr Park] further advised that the business is incurring a loss of approximately $50 million a year," the minutes said.

looks like palmer creamed everything he could out of the place..[/quote]


cods - he bought it with that tailings dam being 'an issue'.
With nickel prices high, it was viable, dam included.

Prices dropped and it is not viable.
The dam situation has not changed.

I am certainly not backing hm. I dislike his 'ethics'.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 16^th, 2016 at 1:49pm:

cods wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 1:40pm: http://www.afr.com/news/politics/long-list-of-safety-issues-at-queensland-nickel-court-told-20160213-gmtaog he administrator for Clive Palmer's failed Queensland Nickel said a number of "red flag" issues relating to environmental and occupational health and safety management at the ageing refinery could force its early closure. Quote: Queensland Nickel was placed into voluntary administration on January 18, only days after 237 workers were sacked. The company has total debt of more than $100 million and is bleeding cash, with fears about the future of the remaining 500 workers. [quote]One problem related to the stability of the tailings dam – containing dangerous material like ammonia and other waste – which independent environmental consultants have estimated could cost more than $10 million to fix. [quote]FTI Consulting director John Park said the accounting value of the business was "worthless" because the main assets of the refinery were held by Mr Palmer's parent companies, QNI Metals and QNI Resources, which were not placed in administration. "There are limited assets available to be realised. The only items of value could be contracts and licences. The chairperson [Mr Park] further advised that the business is incurring a loss of approximately $50 million a year," the minutes said.

looks like palmer creamed everything he could out of the place..[/quote]


cods - he bought it with that tailings dam being 'an issue'.
With nickel prices high, it was viable, dam included.

Prices dropped and it is not viable.
The dam situation has not changed.

I am certainly not backing hm. I dislike his 'ethics'.[/quote]


that was in 2009... and he has driven it into the ground....check the link... hes has cleaned out Qld Nickle .. it wasnt that long ago he was begging money from the STate govt.. yet now the administration says it cant be saved.....well well well..

I am betting the crafty sod has done the same to everything else he has a finger in....not even leaving crumbs for the rats.. >:( >:( >:(

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it wasnt that long ago he was begging money from the STate govt

It has been explained to you many times.  That is 100% untrue.  Why do you keep repeating that lie?  What is the point if you have to just make stuff up to mount an attack.  It is so easily beaten off, and you look pretty dumb as a result.

Aussie wrote on Feb 16^th, 2016 at 4:58pm:

Quote: it wasnt that long ago he was begging money from the STate govt It has been explained to you many times.  That is 100% untrue.  Why do you keep repeating that lie?  What is the point if you have to just make stuff up to mount an attack.  It is so easily beaten off, and you look pretty dumb as a result.

It very much IS true.  Your defence of CLive no-matter-what isnt honourable. IT IS STUPID.

mariacostel wrote on Feb 16^th, 2016 at 6:56pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 4:58pm: Quote: it wasnt that long ago he was begging money from the STate govt It has been explained to you many times.  That is 100% untrue.  Why do you keep repeating that lie?  What is the point if you have to just make stuff up to mount an attack.  It is so easily beaten off, and you look pretty dumb as a result. It very much IS true.  Your defence of CLive no-matter-what isnt honourable. IT IS STUPID.

Produce one link which supports the contention that Palmer had his hand out to Government for cash.  Your ridiculous and false assertions are becoming tiresome.

His fall out with the Liberal party has cost him dearly.

Dnarever wrote on Feb 16^th, 2016 at 7:20pm:

His fall out with the Liberal party has cost him dearly.

It cost them much more in donations lost, a Queensland Government lost, and control of the current Federal Senate lost.  I'd say he's done pretty well.

Aussie wrote on Feb 16^th, 2016 at 7:33pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 7:20pm: His fall out with the Liberal party has cost him dearly. It cost them much more in donations lost, a Queensland Government lost, and control of the current Federal Senate lost.  I'd say he's done pretty well.

The QLD government was not defeated by Clive. It was beaten by its own incompetence. The Libs never had control of the senate. Nothing changed, plus 2 of the 3 abandoned him pretty quick.

Your defence of the Fat Fool makes you look desperate and foolish.

cods wrote on Feb 16^th, 2016 at 4:48pm:

.. it wasnt that long ago he was begging money from the STate govt..

Why do you make up these lies, cods?

mariacostel wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 7:42am:

The QLD government was not defeated by Clive. It was beaten by its own incompetence. The Libs never had control of the senate. Nothing changed, plus 2 of the 3 abandoned him pretty quick.

Qld doesn't have a senate  :D :D

Another Hansonish one term wonder!

He cant even turn up for Parliamentry sittings

Boot the porker out!

Aussie wrote on Feb 16^th, 2016 at 7:17pm:

mariacostel wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 6:56pm: Aussie wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 4:58pm: Quote: it wasnt that long ago he was begging money from the STate govt It has been explained to you many times.  That is 100% untrue.  Why do you keep repeating that lie?  What is the point if you have to just make stuff up to mount an attack.  It is so easily beaten off, and you look pretty dumb as a result. It very much IS true.  Your defence of CLive no-matter-what isnt honourable. IT IS STUPID. Produce one link which supports the contention that Palmer had his hand out to Government for cash.  Your ridiculous and false assertions are becoming tiresome.

yes, Mr Plamer wanted the QLD govt to fund QLD nickel.

mariacostel wrote on Feb 16^th, 2016 at 6:56pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 4:58pm: Quote: it wasnt that long ago he was begging money from the STate govt It has been explained to you many times.  That is 100% untrue.  Why do you keep repeating that lie?  What is the point if you have to just make stuff up to mount an attack.  It is so easily beaten off, and you look pretty dumb as a result. It very much IS true.

No, it isn't.

If it was, you would have produced a link by now.

Why do you persist with these lies?

John Smith wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 7:46am:

mariacostel wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 7:42am: The QLD government was not defeated by Clive. It was beaten by its own incompetence. The Libs never had control of the senate. Nothing changed, plus 2 of the 3 abandoned him pretty quick. Qld doesn't have a senate  :D :D

Can you not read the original post, your lumbering ignoramus?

Aussie wrote on Feb 16^th, 2016 at 7:17pm:

mariacostel wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 6:56pm: Aussie wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 4:58pm: Quote: it wasnt that long ago he was begging money from the STate govt It has been explained to you many times.  That is 100% untrue.  Why do you keep repeating that lie?  What is the point if you have to just make stuff up to mount an attack.  It is so easily beaten off, and you look pretty dumb as a result. It very much IS true.  Your defence of CLive no-matter-what isnt honourable. IT IS STUPID. Produce one link which supports the contention that Palmer had his hand out to Government for cash.  Your ridiculous and false assertions are becoming tiresome.

Your blind defence of Clive is getting tiresome. In October last year, he said he would never take any money from the QLD govt...

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/queensland-government/clive-palmer-i-dont-need-state-government-money-for-my-nickel-refinery/news-story/08c35033a1db2355d52e99e0ccf82ecd

Then he changed his mind and has been begging for millions...

http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/1600-jobs-risk-clive-palmer-begs-bailout/2867435/

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa/a/30311138/clive-palmer-seeks-state-aid-to-save-refinery/

Now he is hitting out at the QLD govt for not bailing him out...

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/dec/13/clive-palmer-hits-out-at-queensland-treasurer-over-refusal-to-bail-out-nickel-refinery

Is that enough proof for you, enough links?

Aussie wrote on Feb 16^th, 2016 at 4:58pm:

Quote: it wasnt that long ago he was begging money from the STate govt It has been explained to you many times.  That is 100% untrue.  Why do you keep repeating that lie?  What is the point if you have to just make stuff up to mount an attack.  It is so easily beaten off, and you look pretty dumb as a result.

HE WANTED THEM TO GUARANTOR $35M.


THE PLACE IS BROKE... AND YOU SAY THATS A LIE..

i AGREE WITH MARIA YOUR CONSTANT SUPPORT FOR THIS PERSON IS BEYOND ANYTHING ETHICAL.'


your alto ego gweg seems to be of the same opinion...PALMER is persecuted he is Mr Innocent..

THE ONLY WAY YOUR MAN WOULD EVER HAVE GOT A LOAN IS IF THE STATE GOVT TOOK GUARANTOR IN OTHER WORDS OWNERSHIP OF SAID LOAN...

what a joke you pair are??... splitting hairs AGAIN about a WORD......must make you feel BIG...

what would you call a BAIL OUT then???.... ::) ::) ::) ::)

why would anyone ask for a GUARANTOR.......especially a BILLIONAIRE  ::) ::) ::) ::)

$35m must be peanuts to a billionaire

and he was quite upset they didnt sign up for it..

the man is an absolute disgrace...

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/queensland-nickel-delays-meeting-state-government-over-job-losses-20160116-gm7ehh.html


The state government has slammed Clive Palmer's Queensland Nickel company for refusing to meet a taskforce designed to save the jobs on 237 workers in Townsville.
Minister assisting the Premier for North Queensland Coralee O'Rourke said she and Natural Resources and Mines Minister Anthony Lynham were in Townsville ready to meet company representatives over the weekend, but company representatives had said no meeting was possible before Tuesday.
The rebuff came as it was revealed that the company had donated more than $288,000 to the Palmer United Party just weeks before putting the 237 workers out of a job.


Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/queensland-


and you guys dont believe clive puts himself above all others... >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

AP the nitwits would know that.. they are complaining... nay   whining about a word..



loan and guarantor have  two different meanings..

when you are supporting the wrong side... dont you know anything???...

can anyone see clive paying this $35m back?????.....nope neither can I.. and the State would have been stuck with it...

shows how entitled he thinks he is.... to even ask for such a bail out...

.he must have robbed his business' blind....because no one seems to have ever seen his financial papers..........he thinks his name is good enough.. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

well gweggy and aussie may lend him a few dollars..

cods wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 9:05am:

AP the nitwits would know that.. they are complaining... nay   whining about a word.. loan and guarantor have  two different meanings.. when you are supporting the wrong side... dont you know anything???... can anyone see clive paying this $35m back?????.....nope neither can I.. and the State would have been stuck with it... shows how entitled he thinks he is.... to even ask for such a bail out... .he must have robbed his business' blind....because no one seems to have ever seen his financial papers..........he thinks his name is good enough.. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D well gweggy and aussie may lend him a few dollars..

State or Federal governments shouldn't be bailing out private businesses anyway. If they can't compete, then they cease to exist.

Palmer deserves a jail cell - a big one of course.

cods wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 8:56am:

your alto ego gweg seems to be of the same opinion...PALMER is persecuted he is Mr Innocent..

Incorrect.

I don't think I've ever had a good word to say about the guy.

I'm not defending anyone.

I'm just exposing your lies.

Try to learn the difference.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 9:21am:

cods wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 8:56am: your alto ego gweg seems to be of the same opinion...PALMER is persecuted he is Mr Innocent.. Incorrect. I don't think I've ever had a good word to say about the guy. I'm not defending anyone. I'm just exposing your lies. Try to learn the difference.

really???lol

what LIE is that???

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 9:13am:

cods wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 9:05am: AP the nitwits would know that.. they are complaining... nay   whining about a word.. loan and guarantor have  two different meanings.. when you are supporting the wrong side... dont you know anything???... can anyone see clive paying this $35m back?????.....nope neither can I.. and the State would have been stuck with it... shows how entitled he thinks he is.... to even ask for such a bail out... .he must have robbed his business' blind....because no one seems to have ever seen his financial papers..........he thinks his name is good enough.. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D well gweggy and aussie may lend him a few dollars.. State or Federal governments shouldn't be bailing out private businesses anyway. If they can't compete, then they cease to exist.

its not a case of competing....the price has gone through the floor....on top of that clive bled it dry all those donations??? ::) ::)

oh thats right we should ignore all that because its his own company to do with as he likes... ::) ::) ::)

thats what his admirers claim anyway..too bad about the workers....clives ok though....still in parliament.

cods wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 9:29am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 9:13am: cods wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 9:05am: AP the nitwits would know that.. they are complaining... nay   whining about a word.. loan and guarantor have  two different meanings.. when you are supporting the wrong side... dont you know anything???... can anyone see clive paying this $35m back?????.....nope neither can I.. and the State would have been stuck with it... shows how entitled he thinks he is.... to even ask for such a bail out... .he must have robbed his business' blind....because no one seems to have ever seen his financial papers..........he thinks his name is good enough.. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D well gweggy and aussie may lend him a few dollars.. State or Federal governments shouldn't be bailing out private businesses anyway. If they can't compete, then they cease to exist. its not a case of competing....the price has gone through the floor....on top of that clive bled it dry all those donations??? ::) ::) oh thats right we should ignore all that because its his own company to do with as he likes... ::) ::) ::) thats what his admirers claim anyway..too bad about the workers....clives ok though....still in parliament.

If it wasn't so serious, it's be quite a funny turn of events. Palmer owns QL and uses their assets to fund his political party. Later on the price of nickel crashes and QL is standing on the edge of the abyss. At first Clive says he'd never take QLD govt money, then he begs for it only to be knocked back by Palachuk. Will he put in any of his own fortune to save workers jobs? Not his responsibility, he says. The guy is a first-class loser and should quit parliament yesterday.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 12:55pm:

At first Clive says he'd never take QLD govt money, then he begs for it only to be knocked back by Palachuk.

I've still not seen any evidence of this.

what was the LIE gweg.

cods wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 1:07pm:

what was the LIE gweg.

"he was begging money from the STate govt"

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 1:05pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 12:55pm: At first Clive says he'd never take QLD govt money, then he begs for it only to be knocked back by Palachuk. I've still not seen any evidence of this.

Because you're blinded by your infatuation with Palmer. You like big boys, don't you? It's ok - I'm not judging you.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 1:08pm:

cods wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 1:07pm: what was the LIE gweg. "he was begging money from the STate govt"

well he was.... why was he so angry when they didnt cough up the guarantor... without a peek at his finances?????????........

funny that...and now the bus is in receivership.. and he tried to wash his hands off the whole thing.....unless you ask Terry Smith of course..

keep pleading his case... asking for a guarantee for $35m.. is as good as asking for cash... when the business is on its last legs.....

this way he clive can blame everyone else for the closure bar him...

bahhh humbug..

cods wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 1:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 1:08pm: cods wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 1:07pm: what was the LIE gweg. "he was begging money from the STate govt" well he was....

No, he wasn't.

It's quite simply a lie that you've made up.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 1:24pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 1:05pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 12:55pm: At first Clive says he'd never take QLD govt money, then he begs for it only to be knocked back by Palachuk. I've still not seen any evidence of this. Because you're blinded by your infatuation with [/highlight[highlight]Palmer. You like big boys, don't you? It's ok - I'm not judging you.

oh is that what it is..

i thought it was blind infatuation for aussie   he will be disappointed......bobby didnt care for gweggies persistence... ;) ;)

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 1:26pm:

cods wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 1:25pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 1:08pm: cods wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 1:07pm: what was the LIE gweg. "he was begging money from the STate govt" well he was.... No, he wasn't. It's quite simply a lie that you've made up.

oh diddums... what was he doing then?...

why was he abusing the State govt....and blaming them for job losses.????.

come on diddums tell us what he was doing then..

how was he trying to SAVE QLD NICKLE?...as he calls it..

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 9:13am:

cods wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 9:05am: AP the nitwits would know that.. they are complaining... nay   whining about a word.. loan and guarantor have  two different meanings.. when you are supporting the wrong side... dont you know anything???... can anyone see clive paying this $35m back?????.....nope neither can I.. and the State would have been stuck with it... shows how entitled he thinks he is.... to even ask for such a bail out... .he must have robbed his business' blind....because no one seems to have ever seen his financial papers..........he thinks his name is good enough.. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D well gweggy and aussie may lend him a few dollars.. State or Federal governments shouldn't be bailing out private businesses anyway. If they can't compete, then they cease to exist.

Eliminate corporate welfare , i completely agree

Quote:

Clive Palmer's Queensland Nickel refinery in Townsville has confirmed it will lay off 237 workers. Key points: •237 workers made redundant at Yabulu nickel refinery, north of Townsville •550 employees to remain at the business, AWU says •During the 2014–2015 financial year, Queensland Nickel donated nearly $6 million to the Palmer United Party •Workers say job losses "not unexpected news" Mr Palmer was in discussions with the Queensland Government for a $35 million bailout to keep the operation at Yabulu afloat but was knocked back late last year. Police were called to the site on Friday morning and extra security guards were stationed at the gate of the plant.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-15/workers-lose-jobs-clive-palmers-qld-nickel-refinery-townsville/7091064

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 7:57am:

mariacostel wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 6:56pm: Aussie wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 4:58pm: Quote: it wasnt that long ago he was begging money from the STate govt It has been explained to you many times.  That is 100% untrue.  Why do you keep repeating that lie?  What is the point if you have to just make stuff up to mount an attack.  It is so easily beaten off, and you look pretty dumb as a result. It very much IS true.  No, it isn't. If it was, you would have produced a link by now. Why do you persist with these lies?

longloser never produces links. he pulls all of his evidence out of his arse ;)

cods wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 1:30pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 1:26pm: cods wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 1:25pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 1:08pm: cods wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 1:07pm: what was the LIE gweg. "he was begging money from the STate govt" well he was.... No, he wasn't. It's quite simply a lie that you've made up. oh diddums... what was he doing then?... why was he abusing the State govt....and blaming them for job losses.????. come on diddums tell us what he was doing then.. how was he trying to SAVE QLD NICKLE?...as he calls it..

what a GRUB clive palmer is?!

Oh dear Cods, I can not believe, you would say "Clive is a Grub"!

In fact, I have known a few grubs, over time & I wouldn't think any of them would want to be associated with Clive?

Cheers!

perceptions_now wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 3:19pm:

cods wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 1:30pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 1:26pm: cods wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 1:25pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 1:08pm: cods wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 1:07pm: what was the LIE gweg. "he was begging money from the STate govt" well he was.... No, he wasn't. It's quite simply a lie that you've made up. oh diddums... what was he doing then?... why was he abusing the State govt....and blaming them for job losses.????. come on diddums tell us what he was doing then.. how was he trying to SAVE QLD NICKLE?...as he calls it.. what a GRUB clive palmer is?! Oh dear Cods, I can not believe, you would say "Clive is a Grub"! In fact, I have known a few grubs, over time & I wouldn't think any of them would want to be associated with Clive? Cheers!

I never thought of that.. its not doing other grubs a good turn is it??>..theres a couple on here quite proud of their association....I am just hoping he gets dealt the same blow as Bond and Skase .. and as an ex MP... they should throw the book at him...he has most definitely got into parliament for his own agenda it was all about having the POWER....what he didnt plan on wasnt his own specially chosen members not being in it for CLIVES benefit....didnt take them long to wakey wakey did it..

Aussie voted for him and still thinks Clive is a great bloke. 

Unfortunately, Clive had more nous than Aussie .... taxi plates are so "1990s" ....  ;D

Can you get your nose out of my arse anytime soon?  That other place closed or something?

Aussie wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 3:51pm:

Can you get your nose out of my arse anytime soon?  That other place closed or something?

Are you referring to your vagina?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 4:00pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 3:51pm: Can you get your nose out of my arse anytime soon?  That other place closed or something? Are you referring to your vagina?

Possibly.  Perhaps it has something to do with the Indian Subcontinent "racial" thingie?

Now the Administrator of QN goes to the Qld Govt for a guarantee, just like Clive did.  Gee, I wonder if the outcome will be any different.

Link.

Its time wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 1:50pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 9:13am: cods wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 9:05am: AP the nitwits would know that.. they are complaining... nay   whining about a word.. loan and guarantor have  two different meanings.. when you are supporting the wrong side... dont you know anything???... can anyone see clive paying this $35m back?????.....nope neither can I.. and the State would have been stuck with it... shows how entitled he thinks he is.... to even ask for such a bail out... .he must have robbed his business' blind....because no one seems to have ever seen his financial papers..........he thinks his name is good enough.. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D well gweggy and aussie may lend him a few dollars.. State or Federal governments shouldn't be bailing out private businesses anyway. If they can't compete, then they cease to exist. Eliminate corporate welfare , i completely agree

Eliminate personal welfare as well and we can agree at last.

mariacostel wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2016 at 4:51pm:

Its time wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 1:50pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 9:13am: cods wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 9:05am: AP the nitwits would know that.. they are complaining... nay   whining about a word.. loan and guarantor have  two different meanings.. when you are supporting the wrong side... dont you know anything???... can anyone see clive paying this $35m back?????.....nope neither can I.. and the State would have been stuck with it... shows how entitled he thinks he is.... to even ask for such a bail out... .he must have robbed his business' blind....because no one seems to have ever seen his financial papers..........he thinks his name is good enough.. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D well gweggy and aussie may lend him a few dollars.. State or Federal governments shouldn't be bailing out private businesses anyway. If they can't compete, then they cease to exist. Eliminate corporate welfare , i completely agree Eliminate personal welfare as well and we can agree at last.

You'd rather those without food wait outside your home or at the ATM for you?  O..K!

Sometimes your thinking has merit..... I'm sure the wheels from the hubby's Merc would feed a poor family for a week....

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2016 at 8:17pm:

mariacostel wrote on Mar 2nd, 2016 at 4:51pm: Its time wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 1:50pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 9:13am: cods wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 9:05am: AP the nitwits would know that.. they are complaining... nay   whining about a word.. loan and guarantor have  two different meanings.. when you are supporting the wrong side... dont you know anything???... can anyone see clive paying this $35m back?????.....nope neither can I.. and the State would have been stuck with it... shows how entitled he thinks he is.... to even ask for such a bail out... .he must have robbed his business' blind....because no one seems to have ever seen his financial papers..........he thinks his name is good enough.. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D well gweggy and aussie may lend him a few dollars.. State or Federal governments shouldn't be bailing out private businesses anyway. If they can't compete, then they cease to exist. Eliminate corporate welfare , i completely agree Eliminate personal welfare as well and we can agree at last. You'd rather those without food wait outside your home or at the ATM for you?  O..K! Sometimes your thinking has merit..... I'm sure the wheels from the hubby's Merc would feed a poor family for a week....

If you get rid of corporate welfare then our can afford to cut income tax to a flat rate of 20%. of course there will be no progressive income tax as that is a form of welfare. Everyone pays the same!

Ping pong.

Link.

The Feds are happy to bail out Ford, Toyota and GMH...but not an 'Aussie.'

Fair enough.

Aussie wrote on Mar 4^th, 2016 at 9:17pm:

Ping pong. Link. The Feds are happy to bail out Ford, Toyota and GMH...but not an 'Aussie.' Fair enough.

I think Clive should sell his  homes and planes first dont you????>...

why should the Feds bail him out... when he gave so much to the PUP party.. and drained his business in the first place..


at least I dont recall Ford Holden Toyota doing that... perhaps YOU CAN REMIND EVERYONE????

its CLIVES pure and UTTER GREED that has caused this to fold.......

how about you asking him to return the DONATIONS TO PUP....next meeting you go to?

Really, cods....go and read about what a company is and what an individual is.

mariacostel wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2016 at 8:14am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 2nd, 2016 at 8:17pm: mariacostel wrote on Mar 2nd, 2016 at 4:51pm: Its time wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 1:50pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 9:13am: cods wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 9:05am: AP the nitwits would know that.. they are complaining... nay   whining about a word.. loan and guarantor have  two different meanings.. when you are supporting the wrong side... dont you know anything???... can anyone see clive paying this $35m back?????.....nope neither can I.. and the State would have been stuck with it... shows how entitled he thinks he is.... to even ask for such a bail out... .he must have robbed his business' blind....because no one seems to have ever seen his financial papers..........he thinks his name is good enough.. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D well gweggy and aussie may lend him a few dollars.. State or Federal governments shouldn't be bailing out private businesses anyway. If they can't compete, then they cease to exist. Eliminate corporate welfare , i completely agree Eliminate personal welfare as well and we can agree at last. You'd rather those without food wait outside your home or at the ATM for you?  O..K! Sometimes your thinking has merit..... I'm sure the wheels from the hubby's Merc would feed a poor family for a week.... If you get rid of corporate welfare then our can afford to cut income tax to a flat rate of 20%. of course there will be no progressive income tax as that is a form of welfare. Everyone pays the same!

Only if those salaries that have become overblown to cover higher tax rates are reduced to suit the tax regime, rather than a tax cut and removal of progressive taxation become a windfall for the already fat.

It's a pretty simple mathematical manipulation.. I'm sure Luong Yi would be able to do it for us in a flash...

Lessee now:-

Say JD is copping a salary of $250k.... currently  pays income tax as follows:-


250000 – 180,001 = 69,999

Tax = $54,547 + 45 for every dollar over 180,000

54/100 x 70,000 = 31,500

TOTAL 31,500 + 54547 =  85,047

250k - $85,047 = $164,953.

So – on a 20% flat rate – to attain $164,953... the payer would need to be paid $164,953 x 6/5 =

$197,943.60

How many fat cats are up for that?  An apparent drop of 52,000 would nearly kill them.... they'd have an infarction and scream tyranny of taxation.... ochlocracy  - THEIR view is they should pay 20% income tax but NOT lose top end to suit, and thus get in the hand  $200k and not $164,953.........

It's called The Politics Of Greed.

Aussie wrote on Mar 5^th, 2016 at 3:19pm:

Really, cods....go and read about what a company is and what an individual is.

Perhaps, cods will believe the Mayor of Townsville:

Link.


Quote:

She said she had hoped the two levels of government could work together to prevent a disaster. "We've seen federal governments in the past pour hundreds of millions into industries they've wanted to save," she said.

Aussie wrote on Mar 5^th, 2016 at 4:55pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 5th, 2016 at 3:19pm: Really, cods....go and read about what a company is and what an individual is. Perhaps, cods will believe the Mayor of Townsville: Link. Quote: She said she had hoped the two levels of government could work together to prevent a disaster. "We've seen federal governments in the past pour hundreds of millions into industries they've wanted to save," she said.

of course you would b e happy to see everyone except CLIVE bail out Qld nickle.. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D and as for the MAYOR OF TOWNSVILLE>>

how much is SHE CHIPPING IN..

how much are you CHIPPING IN AUSSIE>. you put him in this position of POWER remember

funny how you keep on coming up with

why the TAXPAYERS should allow Clive to hang on to all hi8s house and planes... just for old times sake I am sure.
'
but we never here how much they are chipping in themselves.

so come on aussie   got an odd $100.000 you can afford to throw away???..

I am sure Jenny has got her cheque book out just to set a good example you know??..

what about the tax/ratepayers of Townsville whats their offer...

funny that everyone knows it will be money down the gurgle.. Qld Nickle is going nowhere..

come on aussie tell us  are you prepared to put your taxi business on the line....mortgage it up to the hilt

to save CLIVE?.



Aussie wrote on Mar 5^th, 2016 at 3:19pm:

Really, cods....go and read about what a company is and what an individual is.

if he can take money out of Qld Nickle... for his own benefit.. then he can put it back before he begs for money from the govt.... his PUP is another huge expensive failure.. and you want the public to bail him out..


then he can carry on robbing the poor to benefit himself....and hang on to those apartments.and dead dinosaurs. and going nowhere coal mines...and planes and fancy cars.. and gawd only knows how many homes in his daughters name and even his wifes...

yeah right my heart bleeds for him.

cods, do you post rubbish deliberately?


Quote:

if he can take money out of Qld Nickle... for his own benefit.. then he can put it back before he begs for money from the govt.... his PUP is another huge expensive failure.. and you want the public to bail him out..

He is the sole shareholder in a Company which paid him a dividend.  He is not begging for anything.  It is the Administrators of a Company (in which Clive is the sole shareholder) and the Mayor of Townsville asking Government to provide a guarantee of a loan.  Nothing to do with Clive.

BHP ~ BHP shareholders, two totally different things.  Do you understand that?

Aussie wrote on Mar 5^th, 2016 at 6:10pm:

cods, do you post rubbish deliberately? Quote: if he can take money out of Qld Nickle... for his own benefit.. then he can put it back before he begs for money from the govt.... his PUP is another huge expensive failure.. and you want the public to bail him out.. He is the sole shareholder in a Company which paid him a dividend.  He is not begging for anything.  It is the Administrators of a Company (in which Clive is the sole shareholder) and the Mayor of Townsville asking Government to provide a guarantee of a loan.  Nothing to do with Clive. BHP ~ BHP shareholders, two totally different things.  Do you understand that?

no dear I think even you will find..

you cannot take millions out one day and go cap in hand the next for the govt to guarantee.

what this guy has no intention of paying back...

I know you beolieve in this guy you lick his boots we know you do.

but answer the question

HOW MUCH ARE YOU PREPARED TO MORTGAGE YOUR LIFE FOR THIS MAN WHO CAN DO EXACTLY AS HE PLEASES BEING THE SOLE SHAREHOLDER AND ALL........


do you think the TAX MAN is taking no notice of all this????

come on aussie a simple how much.. will you give him.???... yes it will be a GIVE not a loan..

I am sure the tax man is more than interested in someone who buys a company then strips it of everything for his own personal benefit....

then goes cap in hand for hand outs.... guarantees... its laughable.. ;D ;D ;D

clive probably thinks everyone came down with yesterdays shower like all those who voted for him....


btw aussie has he put his his home and his plane on the market to pay back these donations....in the millions... ::) ::) ::) ::)

what about property in  Fairfax I am sure you would know whats happening with that?>

Quote:

you cannot take millions out one day and go cap in hand the next for the govt to guarantee. what this guy has no intention of paying back... I know you beolieve in this guy you lick his boots we know you do.

Please cods, ask someone in your Family to let you know about the difference between a Company and a shareholder in that Company.  They are two totally different legal entities.  Will you do that, or just continue to post in naked ignorance of simple corporate concepts?

cods wrote on Mar 5^th, 2016 at 6:17pm:

I am sure the tax man is more than interested in someone who buys a company then strips it of everything for his own personal benefit....

Then the ATO probably needs to hire 250,000 more investigators because they would need to visit the accounts of every single Venture Capital company in Australia.

cods wrote on Mar 5^th, 2016 at 6:17pm:

I am sure the tax man is more than interested in someone who buys a company then strips it of everything for his own personal benefit....

Bottom of the harbour anyone?

Aussie wrote on Mar 5^th, 2016 at 6:24pm:

Quote: you cannot take millions out one day and go cap in hand the next for the govt to guarantee. what this guy has no intention of paying back... I know you beolieve in this guy you lick his boots we know you do. Please cods, ask someone in your Family to let you know about the difference between a Company and a shareholder in that Company.  They are two totally different legal entities.  Will you do that, or just continue to post in naked ignorance of simple corporate concepts?

PLEASE AUSSIE



TEL;L US ALL HOW MUCH YOU PLANM ON GIVING TO CLIVE FOR HIS ..

"SAVE ME" FUND

HOW MUCH WILL YOU MORTGAGE YOUR WORLD AUSSIE.


COME ON WE ARE WAITING...

cods wrote on Mar 5^th, 2016 at 8:47pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 5th, 2016 at 6:24pm: Quote: you cannot take millions out one day and go cap in hand the next for the govt to guarantee. what this guy has no intention of paying back... I know you beolieve in this guy you lick his boots we know you do. Please cods, ask someone in your Family to let you know about the difference between a Company and a shareholder in that Company.  They are two totally different legal entities.  Will you do that, or just continue to post in naked ignorance of simple corporate concepts? PLEASE AUSSIE TEL;L US ALL HOW MUCH YOU PLANM ON GIVING TO CLIVE FOR HIS .. "SAVE ME" FUND HOW MUCH WILL YOU MORTGAGE YOUR WORLD AUSSIE. COME ON WE ARE WAITING...

Nothing. 

He does not need anything from me.  He does not need 'saving.'  The jobs of several hundred people in Townsville  are  at stake, not Clive.  That is what you are yet to understand.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 5^th, 2016 at 6:48pm:

cods wrote on Mar 5th, 2016 at 6:17pm: I am sure the tax man is more than interested in someone who buys a company then strips it of everything for his own personal benefit.... Then the ATO probably needs to hire 250,000 more investigators because they would need to visit the accounts of every single Venture Capital company in Australia.

PERHAPS YOU CAN NAME ALL THOSE COMPANIES


THAT WENT CAP IN HAND TO GOVT TO GUARANTEE THEM $35MILLION DOLLARS..... THEY DONT HAVE...after they raided every dollar out of it.. ::) ::) ::)

some think the govt should try to keep something afloat when there is no business just becuase its clive.

AUSSIE CAN VOUCH FOR HIM... ;D ;D ;D

SO TELL US ANDREI... HOW MANY OTHER  COMPANIES BEG THE GOVT FOR A HAND OUT..???????????????of $35m

I dont give a fig how many millions clive stole from Qld nickle to get into parliament.. they already have a load of crooks so he will fit in really well..

but yes I do object to him thinking the govt should guarantee his selective donations... which leaves his business empty and mens jobs on the line.........I do indeed...

let him pay the donations back... let him sell his home and planes and fancy cars.. yep even the stuff in his wife and daughters name... ::) ::) ::)


and those other business' you know of andrei.. dob them in as I am sure you will.

oooooo a big fat nothing..


as if we didnt know already..

yet you think the feds should .. hilarious..

dont do as I DO

just do as I SAY

you and clive deserve each other.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-04/clive-palmer-loses-court-battle-over-exploration/7222494


n an affidavit submitted to court in January, Mr Palmer said he was unhappy with the services for a number of reasons.

"I was disappointed with the results and interpretation provided by BGP because the amount of gas recorded was low and the report did not contain any interpretation or conclusions regarding other petroleum products," he said.

But Justice David Boddice dismissed Mr Palmer's application.

"The respondent (BGP Geoexplorer Pte. Ltd) undertook the work required of it and forwarded invoices in relation thereto," Justice Bodice said.

"Far from disputing an obligation to pay those amounts, the applicant (Palmer Petroleum) entered into replacement deeds and repayment plans.

"When those arrangements were not met by the applicant, the applicant apologised for non-payment and candidly acknowledged that non-payment was due to cash flow problems.

"Against that background, a belated attempt to avoid payment by claims of failure by the respondent to perform its obligations amounts to nothing more than a cynical attempt to deflect responsibility for a debt.


here you go aussie...

the man you think is worthy of taxpayer funds..

only $23 million hes trying to dodge paying  this time round..

cash flow problems....  ::) ::) ::) ::)

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/queensland-government/clive-palmer-must-give-up-ownership-of-queensland-nickel-for-government-bailout/news-s


well here we are another day in the life of Clive..

lets see how concerned he is about saving jobs.. ::) ::)




Quote:

CLIVE Palmer needs to give up ownership of his ailing far north Queensland nickel refinery if it is to have any hope of receiving state government financial support. Treasurer Curtis Pitt says Mr Palmer’s exit from Queensland Nickel is one of three conditions the Government needs before it will consider administrators FTI Consulting’s request for a $10 million loan guarantee to keep open the refinery, near Townsville. CLIVE EAT CLIVE: Other Palmer companies are creditors EVERYTHING MUST GO: Palmer’s run-out sale “When we’ve asked for information in the past, trying to deal in good faith we hadn’t received all of the information required,” Mr Pitt said today. “In order for Queensland taxpayers to have any faith in the process ... we would need to be dealing with an independent group, which weren’t playing any games, and we’ve seen Mr Palmer playing games for some time.” Other Stories

how long will $10 mil keep it going for?

and is Clive in any position to repay it?..

Oh....so now the Qld. Government is looking at assisting Townsville workers!  Strange people, these politicians.  Anyway............

Link.

I love this bit:


Quote:

"We would need to ensure that there was going to be new ownership, which would mean Mr Palmer exited the business......

How on Earth can that happen?  If the Administrators sell the refinery, how can Government direct that, for example, freediver must not be permitted to buy it......or that, for example Clive Palmer or some Company of his may not be permitted to buy it?

you think there is a chance of selling it with CLives name on anything ... ::) ::)

its all just words... he moved his missus in quick smart...and then theres all those phony names he used...

will anyone really trust this guy?

apart from you aussie.hes lucky to have you

cods wrote on Mar 6^th, 2016 at 5:20pm:

you think there is a chance of selling it with CLives name on anything ... ::) ::) its all just words... he moved his missus in quick smart...and then theres all those phony names he used... will anyone really trust this guy? apart from you aussie.hes lucky to have you

It is in the hands of totally independant Administrators, cods.  No Palmer has any say now in what happens with QNI.

Aussie wrote on Mar 6^th, 2016 at 5:28pm:

cods wrote on Mar 6th, 2016 at 5:20pm: you think there is a chance of selling it with CLives name on anything ... ::) ::) its all just words... he moved his missus in quick smart...and then theres all those phony names he used... will anyone really trust this guy? apart from you aussie.hes lucky to have you It is in the hands of totally independant Administrators, cods.  No Palmer has any say now in what happens with QNI.

oh thats not the way I read the ultimatum...

he has a lot to do with it...even with false names..

but time will tell it didnt say a deadline but I believe its a lot closer than he first told everyone.

Do you know what an Administrator is, cods?

yes...


do you know what a creep is that steals all the cash from his mining business so it crashes and burns...and leaves over 700 people on the verge of being out of work.. and probably killing the local town,....

?????????????????????????????????????????????


do you have any idea what sort of creep would do such a thing...

give you a clue..

it wasnt the administrators..that you are trying to deflect on too???..

just because you vote for clive... doesnt give you the right to ignore what he did..

cods wrote on Mar 7^th, 2016 at 12:53pm:

yes... do you know what a creep is that steals all the cash from his mining business so it crashes and burns...and leaves over 700 people on the verge of being out of work.. and probably killing the local town,.... ????????????????????????????????????????????? do you have any idea what sort of creep would do such a thing... give you a clue.. it wasnt the administrators..that you are trying to deflect on too???.. just because you vote for clive... doesnt give you the right to ignore what he did..

Why then, do you keep telling us that Clive is calling the shots when you know he no longer has any say in the matter?

Aussie wrote on Mar 7^th, 2016 at 1:11pm:

Why then, do you keep telling us that Clive is calling the shots when you know he no longer has any say in the matter?

CRY AUSSIE CRY

[url][http://www.afr.com/news/politics/clive-palmer-says-hes-willing-to-sell-queensland-nickel-20160306-gnc5iw/url]

for a man who has no say in it.. he sure is saying a lot.. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D..

do you seriously think this bandit would walk away and leave just like that???.. no one even knows the full  financial situation what do you think hes planted his missus there for?..

cods wrote on Mar 7^th, 2016 at 3:36pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 7th, 2016 at 1:11pm: Why then, do you keep telling us that Clive is calling the shots when you know he no longer has any say in the matter? CRY AUSSIE CRY [url][http://www.afr.com/news/politics/clive-palmer-says-hes-willing-to-sell-queensland-nickel-20160306-gnc5iw/url] for a man who has no say in it.. he sure is saying a lot.. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D.. do you seriously think this bandit would walk away and leave just like that???.. no one even knows the full  financial situation what do you think hes planted his missus there for?..

Your link is to a pay-wall site.

Clive Palmer said he would consider selling his struggling Townsville nickel refinery to the Queensland government as a way to get around a stand-off with creditors and former staff.

With administrators to hold a phone hook-up with major creditors on Monday afternoon to discuss the Palaszczuk government's $10 million financial lifeline, Mr Palmer conceded he would be open to an offer to sell the refinery.

"We'd consider it seeing I've become an impediment," Mr Palmer said in an interview with The Australian Financial Review.

"It may be the state government wants to pair up with the local community and buy the plant. They need to do something like that you would think."

It is the first time the resources owner turned federal MP has raised the serious prospect of walking away from the financial mess of Queensland Nickel which went into voluntary administration on January 18.

He has put a $250 million rescue package on the table but many former and current workers say they don't want anything more to do with Mr Palmer.



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cods wrote on Mar 7^th, 2016 at 3:40pm:

Clive Palmer said he would consider selling his struggling Townsville nickel refinery to the Queensland government as a way to get around a stand-off with creditors and former staff. With administrators to hold a phone hook-up with major creditors on Monday afternoon to discuss the Palaszczuk government's $10 million financial lifeline, Mr Palmer conceded he would be open to an offer to sell the refinery. "We'd consider it seeing I've become an impediment," Mr Palmer said in an interview with The Australian Financial Review. "It may be the state government wants to pair up with the local community and buy the plant. They need to do something like that you would think." It is the first time the resources owner turned federal MP has raised the serious prospect of walking away from the financial mess of Queensland Nickel which went into voluntary administration on January 18. He has put a $250 million rescue package on the table but many former and current workers say they don't want anything more to do with Mr Palmer. Read more: http://www.afr.com/news/politics/clive-palmer-says-hes-willing-to-sell-queensland-nickel-20160306-gnc5iw#ixzz42C0o7wsV Follow us: @FinancialReview on Twitter | financialreview on Facebook

That is Clive suffering from relevance deprivation.  The Administrators can sell it to whoever they please without his consent.  If they can't find a buyer, they will liquidate the assets, pay secured creditors (which will likely include Palmer corporate entities) and the Fat Lady will have sung.

Just saw a Report on Ch 9 News which says that a Palmer Corporate has the management rights to the Refinery, and that it has secured a $M25 package based on his other resources to keep the place going.

He is no idiot, I tells ya, and knows his way around Company Law and structure.

According to Wiki ...


Quote:

Palmer studied law, journalism and politics at the University of Queensland from 1973 to 1975, but did not finish the course. He later completed a Diploma of Law through the Queensland Bar Board, and worked as an instructing solicitor and interviewing officer for the Public Defender's Office.

.... enough said.  ;)

Still a grub, cods?

Link.


Quote:

The administrators running Clive Palmer's Queensland Nickel have announced a restructure and $23 million in assets to keep the Yabulu refinery in north Queensland open. FTI Consulting said two of Mr Palmer's other companies, QNI Resources and QNI Metals, have appointed Queensland Nickel Sales, to take over the management of the refinery, near Townsville, and associated port facilities. It said it would no longer manage the refinery, but would continue to act as administrators of Queensland Nickel, and would decide whether to restructure Queensland Nickel or liquidate the company. Employees will keep their job and conditions, and furthermore, there is $23 million to support the refinery.

Gee, cods...who do you reckon put that package together?  Abbott?

I reckon you need to apologise, cods.  Clive has done a pretty good job here, securing those Townsville jobs.  You gonna give credit where it is due?

Link.

of course you would give him credit...

you voted for him  omg... what an embarrassment..

ooooooooooops what ever happend to him not being in charge??? ::) ::) ::)


now you are giving him credit..


no no no dear.....he isnt in charge remember. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Neferti wrote on Mar 7^th, 2016 at 4:17pm:

According to Wiki ... Quote: Palmer studied law, journalism and politics at the University of Queensland from 1973 to 1975, but did not finish the course. He later completed a Diploma of Law through the Queensland Bar Board, and worked as an instructing solicitor and interviewing officer for the Public Defender's Office. .... enough said.  ;)

he did his real training with JOH BJELKE and bestie mate Russ Hinze......nuff said. ;D ;D ;D ;D

all crooks together..

Aussie wrote on Mar 7^th, 2016 at 3:48pm:

cods wrote on Mar 7th, 2016 at 3:40pm: Clive Palmer said he would consider selling his struggling Townsville nickel refinery to the Queensland government as a way to get around a stand-off with creditors and former staff. With administrators to hold a phone hook-up with major creditors on Monday afternoon to discuss the Palaszczuk government's $10 million financial lifeline, Mr Palmer conceded he would be open to an offer to sell the refinery. "We'd consider it seeing I've become an impediment," Mr Palmer said in an interview with The Australian Financial Review. "It may be the state government wants to pair up with the local community and buy the plant. They need to do something like that you would think." It is the first time the resources owner turned federal MP has raised the serious prospect of walking away from the financial mess of Queensland Nickel which went into voluntary administration on January 18. He has put a $250 million rescue package on the table but many former and current workers say they don't want anything more to do with Mr Palmer. Read more: http://www.afr.com/news/politics/clive-palmer-says-hes-willing-to-sell-queensland-nickel-20160306-gnc5iw#ixzz42C0o7wsV Follow us: @FinancialReview on Twitter | financialreview on Facebook That is Clive suffering from relevance deprivation.  The Administrators can sell it to whoever they please without his consent.  If they can't find a buyer, they will liquidate the assets, pay secured creditors (which will likely include Palmer corporate entities) and the Fat Lady will have sung.

bloody hilarious...

you think you know everything... guess what your not even close

cods wrote on Mar 7^th, 2016 at 5:37pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 7th, 2016 at 3:48pm: cods wrote on Mar 7th, 2016 at 3:40pm: Clive Palmer said he would consider selling his struggling Townsville nickel refinery to the Queensland government as a way to get around a stand-off with creditors and former staff. With administrators to hold a phone hook-up with major creditors on Monday afternoon to discuss the Palaszczuk government's $10 million financial lifeline, Mr Palmer conceded he would be open to an offer to sell the refinery. "We'd consider it seeing I've become an impediment," Mr Palmer said in an interview with The Australian Financial Review. "It may be the state government wants to pair up with the local community and buy the plant. They need to do something like that you would think." It is the first time the resources owner turned federal MP has raised the serious prospect of walking away from the financial mess of Queensland Nickel which went into voluntary administration on January 18. He has put a $250 million rescue package on the table but many former and current workers say they don't want anything more to do with Mr Palmer. Read more: http://www.afr.com/news/politics/clive-palmer-says-hes-willing-to-sell-queensland-nickel-20160306-gnc5iw#ixzz42C0o7wsV Follow us: @FinancialReview on Twitter | financialreview on Facebook That is Clive suffering from relevance deprivation.  The Administrators can sell it to whoever they please without his consent.  If they can't find a buyer, they will liquidate the assets, pay secured creditors (which will likely include Palmer corporate entities) and the Fat Lady will have sung. bloody hilarious... you think you know everything... guess what your not even close

Are you now going to give credit to Clive for engineering the safety of those 500 odd jobs in Townsville (for the second time) cods, or will you just stay on your pre-programmed track and post in ignorance of what is actually happening, and has happened?

Aussie wrote on Mar 7^th, 2016 at 5:41pm:

cods wrote on Mar 7th, 2016 at 5:37pm: Aussie wrote on Mar 7th, 2016 at 3:48pm: cods wrote on Mar 7th, 2016 at 3:40pm: Clive Palmer said he would consider selling his struggling Townsville nickel refinery to the Queensland government as a way to get around a stand-off with creditors and former staff. With administrators to hold a phone hook-up with major creditors on Monday afternoon to discuss the Palaszczuk government's $10 million financial lifeline, Mr Palmer conceded he would be open to an offer to sell the refinery. "We'd consider it seeing I've become an impediment," Mr Palmer said in an interview with The Australian Financial Review. "It may be the state government wants to pair up with the local community and buy the plant. They need to do something like that you would think." It is the first time the resources owner turned federal MP has raised the serious prospect of walking away from the financial mess of Queensland Nickel which went into voluntary administration on January 18. He has put a $250 million rescue package on the table but many former and current workers say they don't want anything more to do with Mr Palmer. Read more: http://www.afr.com/news/politics/clive-palmer-says-hes-willing-to-sell-queensland-nickel-20160306-gnc5iw#ixzz42C0o7wsV Follow us: @FinancialReview on Twitter | financialreview on Facebook That is Clive suffering from relevance deprivation.  The Administrators can sell it to whoever they please without his consent.  If they can't find a buyer, they will liquidate the assets, pay secured creditors (which will likely include Palmer corporate entities) and the Fat Lady will have sung. bloody hilarious... you think you know everything... guess what your not even close Are you now going to give credit to Clive for engineering the safety of those 500 odd jobs in Townsville (for the second time) cods, or will you just stay on your pre-programmed track and post in ignorance of what is actually happening, and has happened?

Pretty sure you cant deflect to shortarse on this one Cods  ;D

Aussie wrote on Mar 7^th, 2016 at 5:41pm:

or will you just stay on your pre-programmed track and post in ignorance of what is actually happening

I'm not sure she has a choice ... posting in ignorance is all she knows.

Okay.  Some basic facts as they emerged today.

The hardware....*all the land and the hard machinery at that Refinery was owned by Harry Pty Ltd (Clive Palmer being the sole shareholder.)  Harry Pty Ltd contracted with Larry Pty Ltd (Clive Palmer being the sole shareholder) to run/manage that Refinery.  It was Larry Pty Ltd who employed everyone at the Refinery and who contracted with suppliers etc.

It is Larry Pty Ltd which has gone legs up, and it is that Company which is under Administration.

So........Clive creates Moe Pty Ltd (in which he is the sole shareholder.)

Harry Pty Ltd sacks Larry Pty Ltd (and therefore the Administrator) of its management role.

It then appoints Moe Pty Ltd to manage the assets owned by Harry Pty Ltd (ie the Refinery) and business goes on.

Larry Pty Ltd is in the hands of the Gods.

One assumes that Moe Pty Ltd will take over the employment of the existing staff......but that does not mean the entitlements they are owed by Larry Pty Ltd will be paid.

There ya go.

(I think.)

Edit:

[*Just expand on that:  I would not surprise me now if the land was owned by Houdini Pty Ltd (a company in which Clive was the sole shareholder) and it has a contract with Harry Pty Ltd to allow its structures ~ the bits and bobs which make up the refinery) to occupy its land.  Clive is no dummy, and seems to have put his empire into very separate operating components.  To use a car analogy ~ A owns the chassis, B owns the fuel tank, C owns the drive shaft, D owns the electrics, E owns the seats, F owns the air con, G owns the brakes, H owns the engine......etc etc.  Smart corporate structure which takes careful and deliberate planning.] 

oh arrrrrrsie..

youve done it again..

your little personal bully boys are out in force helping you beat up on someone..

well it will give lisa a break

you can support this arsehole all you like mate twist things around in your usual bump and grind....

you elected him you joined his phony party and all out opf hate.. you must be proud of yourself..

he wouldnt have any credit in any company he is still clinging too..

if you bother to read anything at all

you will see he is just talking mate..

you see if he sells even tried to borrow he will have to hand over all the financial issues.. of every thing.

he has probably run out of names to use...

you have made up a few for him.. I am sure he will be delighted with you.. another phony...

but when it comes to saving jobs it wont be thanks to clive mate..

it will be thinks to someone else who has a little more integrity..

keep up with the personal abuse boys..

when you wish to say something about the op...

well I doubt I will be interested.

keep up the good work losers.

I cant be bothered with losers.

If anyone has the slightest idea what cods just posted, I'd be obliged if you would explain it to me.

Aussie wrote on Mar 7^th, 2016 at 9:50pm:

If anyone has the slightest idea what cods just posted, I'd be obliged if you would explain it to me.

who the hell knows ... i remember once when I was out on the town, blind drunk, (back when I was younger) somehow Panda bears and Kangaroos were related.

I think she is suggesting she doesn't like Clive or you very much Aussie!

The Administrator had no choice given they were in in charge of a Company which had no function at the Refinery.  The crucial question is whether Clive's new Management Company will take up their employment.

Their employee entitlements from the original Company is still unresolved.

Link.

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More than 500 workers at Clive Palmer's Townsville nickel refinery have been told they will be out of a job after the close of business tomorrow.

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Mr Palmer took control of the refinery from administrators by setting up the new company, a joint venture between two of Mr Palmer's other businesses, earlier this week .

So, you are his solicitor as well as his financial advisor, hey?  ::)

Redmond Neck wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 8:12am:

I think she is suggesting she doesn't like Clive or you very much Aussie!

correct or his little supporters...who come out of the woodwork.. right on time...lol


as it is dear clive is now working his famous smoke and mirrors..


I am sure arsie and the boys will be delighted with what he is doing....

https://au.news.yahoo.com/qld/a/31059117/palmers-refinery-workers-to-vent-concerns/

Workers at Clive Palmer's embattled Yabulu Refinery have been sacked and don't know if they will be rehired, days after the federal MP took back control of operations.

Administrators FTI Consulting say most of the operation's 550 employees have been told their jobs will be terminated as of 5pm Friday.

It's not known how many, if any, will be re-employed by the refinery's new manager, Queensland Nickel Sales Pty Ltd - which is run by Mr Palmer and controlled by two of his entities.

"At this time the administrators are uncertain as to the status of future employment offers," FTI Consulting said on Thursday.


even the Administrators dont know whats going on.... ::) ::) ::)... but that ok with arsie NEF clive has arsies full support..

the unions aint too happy with clive though...

and all of a sudden at the eleventh hour another of clives business' comes to the rescue..

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

well it makes sense to some... :o

cods...do you read Threads?  See my Post # 90.

Neferti wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 2:55pm:

So, you are his solicitor as well as his financial advisor, hey

arsie is typing up his notes at PUP meetings now nef...

probably wearing his KILL UBER t/shirt.

Aussie wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 5:24pm:

cods...do you read Threads?  See my Post # 90.

I dont read you....read one read them all.

why dont you go and tell clive what a wonder he is...only 550 blokes wondering what the next day holds for them... >:( >:( >:( >:(

not bad clive not bad.. >:( >:( >:( >:(..

hes a bloody disgrace..

cods wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 5:28pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 5:24pm: cods...do you read Threads?  See my Post # 90. I dont read you....read one read them all. why dont you go and tell clive what a wonder he is...only 550 blokes wondering what the next day holds for them... >:( >:( >:( >:( not bad clive not bad.. >:( >:( >:( >:(.. hes a bloody disgrace..

No wonder you make idiotic, irrelevant and redundant posts!

Aussie wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 5:32pm:

No wonder you make idiotic, irrelevant and redundant posts!

ABUSE!

Aussie wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 5:24pm:

cods...do you read Threads?  See my Post # 90.

Do you?

I doubt it.

All you do is seek out ANYONE who has mentioned "aussie or arsie" and, out of spite, replied in the negative!

Neferti wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 5:40pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 5:32pm: No wonder you make idiotic, irrelevant and redundant posts! ABUSE!

its all he has got... cant debate cant fight just ABUSE..

havent you seen relationships?? its all about putting down other people and manipulating...

he is right up clives street..

he is now an expert on Receivership .. havent you noticed that... knows everythink I tell you.. ::) ::)

redundant  now.....whats redundant about 550 blokes being told DCM.... ::) ::) ::)

oh thats right it is in clives mind so therefore!!!

nuff said.

redundant.. hummmmmm makes sense to some

Neferti wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 5:47pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 5:24pm: cods...do you read Threads?  See my Post # 90. Do you? I doubt it. All you do is seek out ANYONE who has mentioned "aussie or arsie" and, out of spite, replied in the negative!

NO nef anyone that doesnt agree with him.. he tries to insult...such a nice person...always always gets personal....never fails....always abusive..

cods wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 5:51pm:

Neferti wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 5:40pm: Aussie wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 5:32pm: No wonder you make idiotic, irrelevant and redundant posts! ABUSE! its all he has got... cant debate cant fight just ABUSE.. havent you seen relationships?? its all about putting down other people and manipulating... he is right up clives street.. he is now an expert on Receivership .. havent you noticed that... knows everythink I tell you.. ::) ::) redundant  now.....whats redundant about 550 blokes being told DCM.... ::) ::) ::) oh thats right it is in clives mind so therefore!!! nuff said. redundant.. hummmmmm makes sense to some

I have never abused you cods.  I have 'abused' ~ been highly critical of some of your posts.  I have also 100% endorsed some of them.

I reckon you ought wait to see what happens tomorrow before you shoot too high or over-reach on Clive.  There is a corporate re-structure going on, and it also involves the Qld Government moving its arse to get some necessary 'red tape' out of the way, because if they don't, there will be that 500 (odd) given a 9temporary) DCM, not by Clive, but by the Administrators of the now sacked management company in which Clive is sole shareholder, but about which, he has no say whatsoever now.

Aussie wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 6:01pm:

reckon you ought wait to see what happens tomorrow before you shoot too high or over-reach on Clive.  There is a corporate re-structure going on, and it also involves the Qld Government moving its arse to get some necessary 'red tape' out of the way, because if they don't, there will be that 500 (odd) given a 9temporary) DCM, not by Clive, but by the Administrators of the now sacked management company in which Clive is sole shareholder, but about which, he has no say whatsoever now.

really???? I CALL IT ABUSE AND I AM THE ONE ITS AIMED AT>>

if you mean lettying someone like clive take over a b usiness that he drained dry to back his political dreams.. LIKE killing red tape..  ;D ;D

give us a break...purlllllllease.. I for one am sick of you ducking and weaving to save this creep...you dont care what it costs do you?????..

clive used fake names in that business and you know it..


New reports are suggesting Clive Palmer used the alias Terry Smith to to run his Queensland Nickel refinery, QNI, even after claiming that he was at “arm’s length” from the company’s day-to-day work since being elected in 2013.

The Australian is saying that Palmer has been keeping such close tabs to the struggling company that since 2013, he was required to sign off on all purchases above $500, and did so using a Yahoo email address under the alias of “Terry Smith”.


he is a crook....but keep supporting him.. because we know as soon as he is in jail... we should be so lucky...you will deny ever supporting him... >:( >:(

cods wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 6:08pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 10th, 2016 at 6:01pm: reckon you ought wait to see what happens tomorrow before you shoot too high or over-reach on Clive.  There is a corporate re-structure going on, and it also involves the Qld Government moving its arse to get some necessary 'red tape' out of the way, because if they don't, there will be that 500 (odd) given a 9temporary) DCM, not by Clive, but by the Administrators of the now sacked management company in which Clive is sole shareholder, but about which, he has no say whatsoever now. really???? I CALL IT ABUSE AND I AM THE ONE ITS AIMED AT>> if you mean lettying someone like clive take over a b usiness that he drained dry to back his political dreams.. LIKE killing red tape..  ;D ;D give us a break...purlllllllease.. I for one am sick of you ducking and weaving to save this creep...you dont care what it costs do you?????.. clive used fake names in that business and you know it.. New reports are suggesting Clive Palmer used the alias Terry Smith to to run his Queensland Nickel refinery, QNI, even after claiming that he was at “arm’s length” from the company’s day-to-day work since being elected in 2013. The Australian is saying that Palmer has been keeping such close tabs to the struggling company that since 2013, he was required to sign off on all purchases above $500, and did so using a Yahoo email address under the alias of “Terry Smith”. he is a crook....but keep supporting him.. because we know as soon as he is in jail... we should be so lucky...you will deny ever supporting him... >:( >:(

No, it is some of your posts that my criticism it is aimed at, and there would be no point having a Forum like this if Members could not be critical of the posts of other Members, if they disagreed with the contents of those posts.

I have read the stories about this alleged alias cods.....but it is time to face reality.

Let's say you own a small business and you have appointed me to manage it for you.   What is so wrong about you requiring that if I want to spend over say $10.00, I must get your prior approval?  The "Constitution" of many Corporates often contain a provision that Directors of that Corporation may not spend over a stated limit without Shareholder approval.

Why do you continually expect Clive not to operate within the Law?

Aussie wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 6:54pm:

o, it is some of your posts that my criticism it is aimed at, and there would be no point having a Forum like this if Members could not be critical of the posts of other Members, if they disagreed with the contents of those posts. I have read the stories about this alleged alias cods.....but it is time to face reality. Let's say you own a small business and you have appointed me to manage it for you.   What is so wrong about you requiring that if I want to spend over say $10.00, I must get your prior approval?  The "Constitution" of many Corporates often contain a provision that Directors of that Corporation may not spend over a stated limit without Shareholder approval. Why do you continually expect Clive not to operate within the Law?

you have said some very nasty things aussie...you just dont see them that way thats all..ferfuxsakes .....you seem to think you can say what you like about people as long as its done aussie style... which is always just under the break the rule type of sleight...always putting someone down....accusing them of meaning things you claim they mean...

the alias is FACT CLive actually owns Terry SMith....he admits it...you dont know that much about this man do you???..

no one said he doesnt operate within the law.. he is too cunning by far not too..

what I read and I believe his business is so complex and intertwined it would take a year to sift though it all...

he is by far very clever I would say he has been running on a shoe string for a long long time.. Skase did and Bondy did...people like them dont end up millions in debt without a cent in the b ank in a short time.. it can take them a few years.... the fall is usually much quicker...

in palmers case a lot of men are going to be out of work.. and he is smart enough to know the finger will be poiunted at the govt of the day in the long run..

he has told everyone he has made so man y offers...yeah right... he doesnt say what he refuses to do.. and thats show his financial records... why would he put his wife in there if he wasnt trying to keep a hold of things.... ::) ::) ::)

he has suckered you in.. good on him you dont depend on him for next weeks wages do you?

I'd never put myself in a position where my next meal depended on Clive.  He is a commercial corporate businessman....not a charity.


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the alias is FACT CLive actually owns Terry SMith....he admits it...you dont know that much about this man do you???..

That is of melielongtime standard.  It is pure rubbish.  Why make up garbage, cods?

So, Government has given the new Management Company the necessary environmental approval.  That gives Clive a couple of hours to state whether the new Company (which he owns) will employ all, some or none of the 550 odd employees of the now sacked former management company.

Link.

The QUEENSLAND GOVERNMENT.  Doesn't affect the rest of us.  ;) Queensland is small potatoes.  ;D ;D  Keep Clive in Queensland, he should now resign from Federal Government as he is useless.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/business/clive-palmer-buying-new-superyacht-in-wake-of-company-collapse/news-story/837fa83e21773353c0c7392b72245df8


HUNDREDS of his workers have been sacked and his companies are collapsing — but Clive Palmer is splashing out on a new superyacht.

A week after 550 workers were retrenched from his Queensland Nickel refinery near Townsville, the Palmer family’s multimillion-dollar yacht, Maximus, has undergone repairs at a Gold Coast shipyard ahead of a sale.




Clive Palmer’s boat Maximus, moored next to his mansion on Sovereign Island, Gold Coast, where he says there isn’t room for the new one.
Yesterday, the controversial businessman and federal MP told The Courier-Mail the vessel’s sale would make way for a new one.

He said there was not enough room for two boats on his jetty at the back of his Sovereign Islands mansion on the northern Gold Coast.

“We’ve ordered a new boat, which should be delivered in about 10 weeks.


“We can’t have two of them (superyachts). There isn’t enough space (on the jetty), so we’ve got to let Maximus go. We’re making way for the new one.”

Mr Palmer said he did not know how much the new boat was costing or even who was paying for it.




if this is a joke its sure in bad taste.,..

either way I am not surprised this guy has a hide as thick as an elephant..

What do you expect from libs, whoops I mean former libs?

stunspore wrote on Mar 20^th, 2016 at 1:01pm:

What do you expect from libs, whoops I mean former libs?

well he was only there for his own benefit.....hes a crook.. and we all know that Labor luvs a crook...dont we... thomo anyone?

Funny thing is years ago rich dudes showing off their latest large yachts usually preceded them going belly up!

Redmond Neck wrote on Mar 20^th, 2016 at 3:01pm:

Funny thing is years ago rich dudes showing off their latest large yachts usually preceded them going belly up!

do you not find this disgusting under the circumstances red???...he is an MP after all...how do these people get elected??...he has left a trail of devastation.. and no one seems to care..at least skase and Bond never made it into Govt.

cods wrote on Mar 20^th, 2016 at 2:21pm:

well he was only there for his own benefit.

name ONE member of the liberal party that isn't?

cods wrote on Mar 20^th, 2016 at 5:33pm:

Redmond Neck wrote on Mar 20th, 2016 at 3:01pm: Funny thing is years ago rich dudes showing off their latest large yachts usually preceded them going belly up! do you not find this disgusting under the circumstances red???...he is an MP after all...how do these people get elected??...he has left a trail of devastation.. and no one seems to care..at least skase and Bond never made it into Govt.

Of course I do!

I thought it was going to say he was selling his yacht to contribute to the sacked employees final entitlements!

'Millions of litres of contaminated water is seeping from a massive dam at Clive Palmer's north Queensland nickel refinery every day.

The seepage of more than 4 million litres of water is collected in a series of trenches and dams before being pumped back into the unlined tailings dam.

The Department of Environment is understood to be grappling with the ongoing seepage.

During an inspection by Department of Environment officials earlier this week at least one pump for returning the seepage back into the tailings dam was found not to be working.

The ABC can also reveal that water sampling at the refinery has revealed elevated ammonia levels in two creeks within the site's boundary.'

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-18/clive-palmers-nikel-refinery-leaking-contaminated-water/7258980

John Smith wrote on Mar 20^th, 2016 at 5:34pm:

cods wrote on Mar 20th, 2016 at 2:21pm: well he was only there for his own benefit. name ONE member of the liberal party that isn't?

you mean one whos tried to borrow money from the govt to prop up their own business thats cash strapped thanks to them..


hang on this will take time. >:( >:( >:( >:(

if you wan t a couple of lefties.... Obeid and Thomo come to mind.

its good to know you are not interested in Mr Palmers less than  ethical behavior.

Gee, Clive is a grub.  Fancy doing something charitable and having sand kicked in your face!

Link.

You'd think he'd want to help that couple who lost their son, wouldn't you cods.  What an arsehole!

cods wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2016 at 5:37am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 20th, 2016 at 5:34pm: cods wrote on Mar 20th, 2016 at 2:21pm: well he was only there for his own benefit. name ONE member of the liberal party that isn't? you mean one whos tried to borrow money from the govt to prop up their own business thats cash strapped thanks to them.. hang on this will take time. >:( >:( >:( >:( if you wan t a couple of lefties.... Obeid and Thomo come to mind. its good to know you are not interested in Mr Palmers less than  ethical behavior.

funny how you get all ethical when it comes to Obeid or Palmer, but you forget your ethics when it's someone from the liberal party ... there's a whole thread on current liberal corruption and you are happy to excuse them. Why is that?

Aussie wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2016 at 10:20am:

Gee, Clive is a grub.  Fancy doing something charitable and having sand kicked in your face! Link. You'd think he'd want to help that couple who lost their son, wouldn't you cods.  What an arsehole!

scum

John Smith wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2016 at 10:30am:

cods wrote on Mar 22nd, 2016 at 5:37am: John Smith wrote on Mar 20th, 2016 at 5:34pm: cods wrote on Mar 20th, 2016 at 2:21pm: well he was only there for his own benefit. name ONE member of the liberal party that isn't? you mean one whos tried to borrow money from the govt to prop up their own business thats cash strapped thanks to them.. hang on this will take time. >:( >:( >:( >:( if you wan t a couple of lefties.... Obeid and Thomo come to mind. its good to know you are not interested in Mr Palmers less than  ethical behavior. funny how you get all ethical when it comes to Obeid or Palmer, but you forget your ethics when it's someone from the liberal party ... there's a whole thread on current liberal corruption and you are happy to excuse them. Why is that?

ahhh you an aussie master excusers... we all understand

tell me what excuses have I made for an out and out thief..

just show me.. or shut up.
Aussie wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2016 at 10:20am:

Gee, Clive is a grub.  Fancy doing something charitable and having sand kicked in your face! Link. You'd think he'd want to help that couple who lost their son, wouldn't you cods.  What an arsehole!

CHARITY IS TAX DEDUCTABLE thank you...

and you still vote for  the pig


btw he now tells us his only income is his FED PAY..... so he has stopped giving that away.....wait he may pass the hat round like some other shifty ex lab.

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CHARITY IS TAX DEDUCTABLE thank you...

Only if the 'charity' is given to a registered charity as would not be the case here.

Really cods.

...and no....he still gives his MHR salary away.

John Smith wrote on Mar 20^th, 2016 at 5:34pm:

cods wrote on Mar 20th, 2016 at 2:21pm: well he was only there for his own benefit. name ONE member of the liberal party that isn't?

Still thinking.... no answer.