Move over Sydney, it’s Melbourne’s time to shine on the real estate stage


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OLD rivalries die hard and here’s a race that Melbourne is winning over Sydney. But before struggling househunters get too excited about prices plummeting in the harbour city, let’s take a look at the facts. Property prices in the two capitals are still rising, but Sydney has just taken a back seat to Melbourne’s price growth — even if it’s ever so slightly. According to the January 2016 CoreLogic RP Data Hedonic Home Value Index, released today, the Melbourne market has taken first place for annual growth. While Melbourne’s dwelling values (that’s houses and units combined) were up 11 per cent over the year, Sydney’s movement was a slightly less impressive 10.5 per cent rise. But the harbour city still takes the cake for actual ticket prices. Sydney’s median dwelling price is now sitting at $776,000, while Melbourne’s figure is a more humble $595,000. “While still a high rate of annual growth, Sydney’s annual rate of capital gain is now at a 29-month low and has been progressively softening since peaking at 18.4 per cent in July last year,” said Tim Lawless, CoreLogic’s head of research. “Melbourne’s housing market has been more resilient to slowing growth conditions, which has propelled the annual growth rate to the highest of any capital city, with dwelling values 11 per cent higher over the past 12 months. “Previously, during the height of the growth phase, there was a large separation between Sydney’s housing market (which was streaking ahead) and Melbourne’s, where the rate of capital gain was substantial, but still well below the heights being recorded in Sydney.”

http://www.realestate.com.au/news/move-over-sydney-its-melbournes-time-to-shine-on-the-real-estate-stage/news-story/be3c753adf7c3a3c4894dd4d760fa21f?rsf=syn:news

Although originally a Sydney person (lived from Mt Druitt to Kirribilli), I did spend 7 years in Melbourne.

Both are 'the same s**t, different smell'

Sydney - the crime is at the poor end of society. Go down an alleyway and you have junkies, bums, violence.

Melbourne - the crime is at the rich end of society. Go down an alleyway and you have café-latte, boutiques and hipsters.

Sydney is more involved in the International scene
Melbourne is more involved in its own scene.
This can be reflected in its football codes where NRL was based upon the 'Tour to Britain' Tests and AFL was based on two suburbs having it out.

Melbourne has a greater population than Sydney now.
More affordable for the poor, but Sydney is making more money for the rich.

Melbourne is better planed than Sydney and it shows with its public transport.

Sydney? Well, it has one of the most pathetic infrastructures in the country. But that's how people get rich in Sydney - tolls, fines, fees and other scams.

Sydney has a boring Football code with small crowds but its Entertainment venues are packed and popular. The popularity of the floating Entertainment 'Cruises' originally kickstarted out of Sydney.

Melbourne football gets the biggest crowds - but you can hear the crickets at their entertainment venues.  ;D

All in all,
both are 'cities' and lets face it.
In Australia ...its all about the 'Rural/Country' life that is more 'Australian'.
If you think City life is 'Aussie As' - then you're as USA/UK as it gets  ;)

Melbourne is a cesspool -

it's like a swimming pool that you just keep putting more chlorine into.

I never go to the city - it's dirty, over priced & there's no parking -
you have to travel there in crowded standing room only trains
with people sneezing, coughing & farting on you.

Neferti wrote on Feb 8^th, 2016 at 11:32am:

Move over Sydney, it’s Melbourne’s time to shine on the real estate stage Quote: OLD rivalries die hard and here’s a race that Melbourne is winning over Sydney. But before struggling househunters get too excited about prices plummeting in the harbour city, let’s take a look at the facts. Property prices in the two capitals are still rising, but Sydney has just taken a back seat to Melbourne’s price growth — even if it’s ever so slightly. According to the January 2016 CoreLogic RP Data Hedonic Home Value Index, released today, the Melbourne market has taken first place for annual growth. While Melbourne’s dwelling values (that’s houses and units combined) were up 11 per cent over the year, Sydney’s movement was a slightly less impressive 10.5 per cent rise. But the harbour city still takes the cake for actual ticket prices. Sydney’s median dwelling price is now sitting at $776,000, while Melbourne’s figure is a more humble $595,000. “While still a high rate of annual growth, Sydney’s annual rate of capital gain is now at a 29-month low and has been progressively softening since peaking at 18.4 per cent in July last year,” said Tim Lawless, CoreLogic’s head of research. “Melbourne’s housing market has been more resilient to slowing growth conditions, which has propelled the annual growth rate to the highest of any capital city, with dwelling values 11 per cent higher over the past 12 months. “Previously, during the height of the growth phase, there was a large separation between Sydney’s housing market (which was streaking ahead) and Melbourne’s, where the rate of capital gain was substantial, but still well below the heights being recorded in Sydney.” http://www.realestate.com.au/news/move-over-sydney-its-melbournes-time-to-shine-on-the-real-estate-stage/news-story/be3c753adf7c3a3c4894dd4d760fa21f?rsf=syn:news

Shine my arse. Just more suckers going into lifelong debt just to line the pockets of some realestate parasite scumbag.

Hi sir Nail,
we both took the wrong career path -

we should have been real estate agents.

We'd be multi millionaires by now.

Now I thought 'true Australia' was the 'Rural' (or even 'country') aspect of living.

But since the 80's - the 'City' living has come to overtake (usurp?) the Rural Australia.
Was it because of the Media?
So basically - yes, 'every' City in Australia is a cesspit of real estate greed and other lost causes.

Live in a city and you are an absolute loser!

Jasin wrote on Jul 18^th, 2017 at 10:37pm:

Now I thought 'true Australia' was the 'Rural' (or even 'country') aspect of living. But since the 80's - the 'City' living has come to overtake (usurp?) the Rural Australia. Was it because of the Media? So basically - yes, 'every' City in Australia is a cesspit of real estate greed and other lost causes. Live in a city and you are an absolute loser!

Yes - I'm seriously considering selling my house & moving to the country.

Perhaps somewhere in land from Geelong.

Bobby. wrote on Jul 18^th, 2017 at 10:37pm:

Hi sir Nail, we both took the wrong career path - we should have been real estate agents. We'd be multi millionaires by now.

I can absolutely see that. You have both been predicting property crashes for many years and property prices have kept rising.

Yes - I like the outer region around Geelong (Go the Cats!).
I prefer Queenscliff area.
But the whole area out from Geelong is pretty nice and 'stress free' as I would call it.
It would be my choice if I had to live 'near' the Melbourne muckhole.

I much prefer far Gippsland though, for Victoria.

Jasin wrote on Jul 18^th, 2017 at 10:47pm:

Yes - I like the outer region around Geelong (Go the Cats!). I prefer Queenscliff area. But the whole area out from Geelong is pretty nice and 'stress free' as I would call it. It would be my choice if I had to live 'near' the Melbourne muckhole. I much prefer far Gippsland though, for Victoria.

Its' a well kept secret - some of the best farmland in Victoria
is close by Geelong - it gets good rainfall to make the grass grow.

Gippsland is better now that Hazelwood has closed down.

Melbourne is a horrid place.

Gordon wrote on Jul 18^th, 2017 at 10:54pm:

Melbourne is a horrid place.

Yes can you imagine being on a train
with people sneezing, coughing & farting on you?

Bobby. wrote on Jul 18^th, 2017 at 10:55pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 10:54pm: Melbourne is a horrid place. Yes can you imagine being on a train with people sneezing, coughing & farting on you?

No, sounds ghastly.  When I go to the CBD I catch the ferry and breath the salt air.

Melbourne had some plus's for someone coming from Shitney.
I liked it when they had Conductors: very helpful, quasi Tourism guides. They got rid of them the following year after I arrived.
I paid a Botswanan chick $1000 for some dreadlocks.
Only to have to shave them off from catching NITS on a Tram (because people are 'back to back' on seats) one month later.

Overall, Melbourne is really just like Sydney is just like Melbourne is just like Sydney, etc, etc.
- really bad places to live, wether you are rich or poor.

I can tell you - Sydney has gotten far far worse since 2000.
It really is a crime against humanity.

I now live on a nice NSW coastal area.
But it too works hard to keep the Real Estates from 'cashing in' on turning it into another 'city' with high rise apartments and a main street full of café latte's and boutique shops selling useless bullcrap.

I might head further away come next year.

Nits from a tram ride - yuck.

Jasin wrote on Jul 18^th, 2017 at 11:05pm:

Melbourne had some plus's for someone coming from Shitney. I liked it when they had Conductors: very helpful, quasi Tourism guides. They got rid of them the following year after I arrived. I paid a Botswanan chick $1000 for some dreadlocks. Only to have to shave them off from catching NITS on a Tram (because people are 'back to back' on seats) one month later. Overall, Melbourne is really just like Sydney is just like Melbourne is just like Sydney, etc, etc. - really bad places to live, wether you are rich or poor. I can tell you - Sydney has gotten far far worse since 2000. It really is a crime against humanity. I now live on a nice NSW coastal area. But it too works hard to keep the Real Estates from 'cashing in' on turning it into another 'city' with high rise apartments and a main street full of café latte's and boutique shops selling useless bullcrap. I might head further away come next year.

No beaches. Melbs blows chunks.

Sydney and Melbourne beaches are roughly the same.
If you think Bondi is a great beach - then you are greatly mistaken. As a beach, it is a dirty, smelly, rip riddled, dump-wave comparison to north and south coastal beaches.
It's nothing but a business opportunity and pick up joint for non-white males.
Melbourne 'Bay' beaches are ok. I liked the Brighton area of beaches and downward.
I especially enjoyed snorkling the Ozone Wreck in Swan Bay.

Alas, when I moved to Melbourne - it was at a time when it was just starting to become like Sydney (which was just starting to become like Melbourne).
But I was lucky to have got a glimpse of how 'different' it was.
That was a time when crossing the border was like going into another country.
Now, its all 'ONE NATION'  :P and as boring as Pauline Hanson!!!  >:(

Jasin wrote on Jul 18^th, 2017 at 11:20pm:

Sydney and Melbourne beaches are roughly the same. If you think Bondi is a great beach - then you are greatly mistaken. As a beach, it is a dirty, smelly, rip riddled, dump-wave comparison to north and south coastal beaches. It's nothing but a business opportunity and pick up joint for non-white males. Melbourne 'Bay' beaches are ok. I liked the Brighton area of beaches and downward. I especially enjoyed snorkling the Ozone Wreck in Swan Bay. Alas, when I moved to Melbourne - it was at a time when it was just starting to become like Sydney (which was just starting to become like Melbourne). But I was lucky to have got a glimpse of how 'different' it was. That was a time when crossing the border was like going into another country. Now, its all 'ONE NATION'  :P and as boring as Pauline Hanson!!!  >:(

Sorry then you haven't been to bondi.
A bit dirty after rain, often crystal clear.

No rips in Nth,  big rip in the sth.

Gordon wrote on Jul 18^th, 2017 at 11:23pm:

Jasin wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 11:20pm: Sydney and Melbourne beaches are roughly the same. If you think Bondi is a great beach - then you are greatly mistaken. As a beach, it is a dirty, smelly, rip riddled, dump-wave comparison to north and south coastal beaches. It's nothing but a business opportunity and pick up joint for non-white males. Melbourne 'Bay' beaches are ok. I liked the Brighton area of beaches and downward. I especially enjoyed snorkling the Ozone Wreck in Swan Bay. Alas, when I moved to Melbourne - it was at a time when it was just starting to become like Sydney (which was just starting to become like Melbourne). But I was lucky to have got a glimpse of how 'different' it was. That was a time when crossing the border was like going into another country. Now, its all 'ONE NATION'  :P and as boring as Pauline Hanson!!!  >:( Sorry then you haven't been to bondi. A bit dirty after rain, often crystal clear. No rips in Nth,  big rip in the sth.

Bondi is a sh!t beach.

Perth's beaches are 100 times better.

Gordon wrote on Jul 18^th, 2017 at 11:23pm:

Jasin wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 11:20pm: Sydney and Melbourne beaches are roughly the same. If you think Bondi is a great beach - then you are greatly mistaken. As a beach, it is a dirty, smelly, rip riddled, dump-wave comparison to north and south coastal beaches. It's nothing but a business opportunity and pick up joint for non-white males. Melbourne 'Bay' beaches are ok. I liked the Brighton area of beaches and downward. I especially enjoyed snorkling the Ozone Wreck in Swan Bay. Alas, when I moved to Melbourne - it was at a time when it was just starting to become like Sydney (which was just starting to become like Melbourne). But I was lucky to have got a glimpse of how 'different' it was. That was a time when crossing the border was like going into another country. Now, its all 'ONE NATION'  :P and as boring as Pauline Hanson!!!  >:( Sorry then you haven't been to bondi. A bit dirty after rain, often crystal clear. No rips in Nth,  big rip in the sth.

Come on - it's full of Bondi cigars.

Gordon wrote on Jul 18^th, 2017 at 11:23pm:

Jasin wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 11:20pm: Sydney and Melbourne beaches are roughly the same. If you think Bondi is a great beach - then you are greatly mistaken. As a beach, it is a dirty, smelly, rip riddled, dump-wave comparison to north and south coastal beaches. It's nothing but a business opportunity and pick up joint for non-white males. Melbourne 'Bay' beaches are ok. I liked the Brighton area of beaches and downward. I especially enjoyed snorkling the Ozone Wreck in Swan Bay. Alas, when I moved to Melbourne - it was at a time when it was just starting to become like Sydney (which was just starting to become like Melbourne). But I was lucky to have got a glimpse of how 'different' it was. That was a time when crossing the border was like going into another country. Now, its all 'ONE NATION'  :P and as boring as Pauline Hanson!!!  >:( Sorry then you haven't been to bondi. A bit dirty after rain, often crystal clear. No rips in Nth,  big rip in the sth.

The only time I go to Bondi is when I dive the Annie Miller wreck 2kms out from it.

If you think Bondi is great - then you have never been outside for some 'gate-leave' from Sydney.
Bondi is 94th in Australia's Top 100 beaches!  ;D
Of course, Sydney pays a lot of money to have it rated with Ipanema in World's Best Beaches.  ;D

Perth beaches are rated highly - not bad for a city.

But really, when you wade into the water to 'get away from it all' and turn around to see high rise apartments where people stare at you with binoculars, people hanging their washing out on their verandahs and water that has enough wee wee in it to rate with public swimming pools.

Well, let me just add that the moment Sydney & Melbourne started to 'verses' one another - both ended up losing!

Bobby. wrote on Jul 18^th, 2017 at 11:26pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 11:23pm: Jasin wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 11:20pm: Sydney and Melbourne beaches are roughly the same. If you think Bondi is a great beach - then you are greatly mistaken. As a beach, it is a dirty, smelly, rip riddled, dump-wave comparison to north and south coastal beaches. It's nothing but a business opportunity and pick up joint for non-white males. Melbourne 'Bay' beaches are ok. I liked the Brighton area of beaches and downward. I especially enjoyed snorkling the Ozone Wreck in Swan Bay. Alas, when I moved to Melbourne - it was at a time when it was just starting to become like Sydney (which was just starting to become like Melbourne). But I was lucky to have got a glimpse of how 'different' it was. That was a time when crossing the border was like going into another country. Now, its all 'ONE NATION'  :P and as boring as Pauline Hanson!!!  >:( Sorry then you haven't been to bondi. A bit dirty after rain, often crystal clear. No rips in Nth,  big rip in the sth. Come on - it's full of Bondi cigars.

miam miam

Bobby. wrote on Jul 18^th, 2017 at 11:26pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 11:23pm: Jasin wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 11:20pm: Sydney and Melbourne beaches are roughly the same. If you think Bondi is a great beach - then you are greatly mistaken. As a beach, it is a dirty, smelly, rip riddled, dump-wave comparison to north and south coastal beaches. It's nothing but a business opportunity and pick up joint for non-white males. Melbourne 'Bay' beaches are ok. I liked the Brighton area of beaches and downward. I especially enjoyed snorkling the Ozone Wreck in Swan Bay. Alas, when I moved to Melbourne - it was at a time when it was just starting to become like Sydney (which was just starting to become like Melbourne). But I was lucky to have got a glimpse of how 'different' it was. That was a time when crossing the border was like going into another country. Now, its all 'ONE NATION'  :P and as boring as Pauline Hanson!!!  >:( Sorry then you haven't been to bondi. A bit dirty after rain, often crystal clear. No rips in Nth,  big rip in the sth. Come on - it's full of Bondi cigars.

The Coogee Hotel served one on someone's desert years ago.  :P

Let's face it.
Both Sydney & Melbourne suck now.
Even AFL & NRL are pathetic. Their glory days are long gone.

Jasin wrote on Jul 18^th, 2017 at 11:32pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 11:23pm: Jasin wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 11:20pm: Sydney and Melbourne beaches are roughly the same. If you think Bondi is a great beach - then you are greatly mistaken. As a beach, it is a dirty, smelly, rip riddled, dump-wave comparison to north and south coastal beaches. It's nothing but a business opportunity and pick up joint for non-white males. Melbourne 'Bay' beaches are ok. I liked the Brighton area of beaches and downward. I especially enjoyed snorkling the Ozone Wreck in Swan Bay. Alas, when I moved to Melbourne - it was at a time when it was just starting to become like Sydney (which was just starting to become like Melbourne). But I was lucky to have got a glimpse of how 'different' it was. That was a time when crossing the border was like going into another country. Now, its all 'ONE NATION'  :P and as boring as Pauline Hanson!!!  >:( Sorry then you haven't been to bondi. A bit dirty after rain, often crystal clear. No rips in Nth,  big rip in the sth. The only time I go to Bondi is when I dive the Annie Miller wreck 2kms out from it. If you think Bondi is great - then you have never been outside for some 'gate-leave' from Sydney. Bondi is 94th in Australia's Top 100 beaches!  ;D Of course, Sydney pays a lot of money to have it rated with Ipanema in World's Best Beaches.  ;D Perth beaches are rated highly - not bad for a city. But really, when you wade into the water to 'get away from it all' and turn around to see high rise apartments where people stare at you with binoculars, people hanging their washing out on their verandahs and water that has enough wee wee in it to rate with public swimming pools. Well, let me just add that the moment Sydney & Melbourne started to 'verses' one another - both ended up losing!

Melbourne's bay side beaches are often closed after heavy rains as all
the Melbourne dog turds are washed down the storm water drains into the bay.

Bobby. wrote on Jul 19^th, 2017 at 9:22pm:

Jasin wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 11:32pm: Gordon wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 11:23pm: Jasin wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 11:20pm: Sydney and Melbourne beaches are roughly the same. If you think Bondi is a great beach - then you are greatly mistaken. As a beach, it is a dirty, smelly, rip riddled, dump-wave comparison to north and south coastal beaches. It's nothing but a business opportunity and pick up joint for non-white males. Melbourne 'Bay' beaches are ok. I liked the Brighton area of beaches and downward. I especially enjoyed snorkling the Ozone Wreck in Swan Bay. Alas, when I moved to Melbourne - it was at a time when it was just starting to become like Sydney (which was just starting to become like Melbourne). But I was lucky to have got a glimpse of how 'different' it was. That was a time when crossing the border was like going into another country. Now, its all 'ONE NATION'  :P and as boring as Pauline Hanson!!!  >:( Sorry then you haven't been to bondi. A bit dirty after rain, often crystal clear. No rips in Nth,  big rip in the sth. The only time I go to Bondi is when I dive the Annie Miller wreck 2kms out from it. If you think Bondi is great - then you have never been outside for some 'gate-leave' from Sydney. Bondi is 94th in Australia's Top 100 beaches!  ;D Of course, Sydney pays a lot of money to have it rated with Ipanema in World's Best Beaches.  ;D Perth beaches are rated highly - not bad for a city. But really, when you wade into the water to 'get away from it all' and turn around to see high rise apartments where people stare at you with binoculars, people hanging their washing out on their verandahs and water that has enough wee wee in it to rate with public swimming pools. Well, let me just add that the moment Sydney & Melbourne started to 'verses' one another - both ended up losing! Melbourne's bay side beaches are often closed after heavy rains as all the Melbourne dog turds are washed down the storm water drains into the bay.

That's awful!
;D
Typical city beaches.

Jasin wrote on Jul 19^th, 2017 at 9:54pm:

That's awful! ;D Typical city beaches.

Imagine having a swim & a floater washes past you?  ;D

Bobby. wrote on Jul 19^th, 2017 at 9:57pm:

Jasin wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 9:54pm: That's awful! ;D Typical city beaches. Imagine having a swim & a floater washes past you?  ;D

No thanks. That's why I stay clear of Melbourne & Sydney. The cities themselves are full of dog turds because no-one picks em up.

I love Melbourne!
I stayed in a lovely hostel in St kilda . Went out for dinner and got offers for sex for cash each street corner I crossed ;D

Oppps....bad suburb but great location and nice clean hostel

Bobby. wrote on Jul 19^th, 2017 at 9:57pm:

Jasin wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 9:54pm: That's awful! ;D Typical city beaches. Imagine having a swim & a floater washes past you?  ;D

Imagine having flesh eating sea lice....lol.

Gordon wrote on Aug 9^th, 2017 at 10:05pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 9:57pm: Jasin wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 9:54pm: That's awful! ;D Typical city beaches. Imagine having a swim & a floater washes past you?  ;D Imagine having flesh eating sea lice....lol.

Huh?

You're kidding me  :-/

Francis wrote on Aug 9^th, 2017 at 10:03pm:

I love Melbourne! I stayed in a lovely hostel in St kilda . Went out for dinner and got offers for sex for cash each street corner I crossed ;D Oppps....bad suburb but great location and nice clean hostel

My understanding is that Melbourne's St Kilda = our Kings Cross. :-/

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 9^th, 2017 at 10:13pm:

Gordon wrote on Aug 9th, 2017 at 10:05pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 9:57pm: Jasin wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 9:54pm: That's awful! ;D Typical city beaches. Imagine having a swim & a floater washes past you?  ;D Imagine having flesh eating sea lice....lol. Huh? You're kidding me  :-/

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/flesheating-bugs-at-brighton-beach-what-really-ate-sam-and-why-20170807-gxqsab.html

I used to swim all along that side of the Bay years ago.
I'm pretty sure it's a lot cleaner than it was back then.
Plus, those bugs look like they hang around 'dead carcass'.
So basically that guy has gone for a swim where something dead underwater had attracted all the worms, bugs and such. They obviously latched onto him.

I reckon the Police should investigate.
Might be a few dead bodies underwater ...slowly being pecked, nibbled, sucked away.

Looks terrible:

https://www.fairfaxstatic.com.au/content/dam/images/g/x/q/a/i/4/image.related.articleLeadNarrow.300x0.gxqsab.png/1502182918478.jpg

Yeah pretty bad.

Jasin wrote on Aug 10^th, 2017 at 6:36pm:

Yeah pretty bad.

Bit like what Melbourne calls a beach. More like a back lane in Lewsham :)

Not sure about the original article, on prices Sydney pretty much out grows the rest of the country consistently, what they call a crash is just low growth. I live the area of Sydney that has consistently higher growth then the rest of Sydney..... last year we had 21.8 % growth.

Beyond this I find Melbourne just dull but they make nice coffee.
Visually and functionally its just bland.

As for the beaches I live on the Northern Beaches my favourite is Long Reef, its a real surfers beach and the westies don't go there.

https://www.northernbeaches.nsw.gov.au/things-to-do/recreation-area/long-reef-beach

You rarely see more than a few hundred on the beach, on the other side of the headland is Collaroy Basin with great views and fishing

https://airviewonline.com/gallery/view/35332/collaroy-basin-and-long-reef

On beaches in Melbourne they don't come close.

I would like to go fishing down in Vic for the best tasting fish (King George Whiting) and the really big Snappers they get down there but that is not Melbourne :-)

Well, I went to Melbourne for the first time in over 10-15 years, a few weeks back.

Besides seeing Bobby walk past me around 5-6pm  ;D ;)

I must say that Melbourne has turned out for the worse.
Over-populated, especially with taxi and traffic!  :o
It's no longer 'spot the white person', more like trying to 'spot the Greek' amongst all that foreign new immigrant influx. Blacks, Yellows, Browns and Greens are everywhere.
Hardly anyone around wearing AFL fashion (obviously a minority of just 100,000 die hard fans).
Skyscraping buildings everywhere now and the Yarra crossed by many walkway bridges. Everything seems 'closed in' and oppressive, like a desperate bid to shove as much into a shoebox as one can.  ::)

Again, it's no different to Sydney.
It's another city that has become a lost cause.

Sydney is full of Yellow people by majority
Melbourne thinks its part of Asia for starters  ::) with its obsession with Sport.
(after a while, the average conversation of 'sport' in Melbourne becomes very boring and one wonders if Melbournians even know where Australia is? :-?)

If you like Sydney or Melbourne, then you probably like existing like a Gay or a Redneck, either way - they're both the same (s***, different smell).