http://www.9news.com.au/national/2016/02/06/14/48/daniel-andrews-tells-pm-malcolm-turnbull-victoria-will-accept-asylum-seekers-facing-return-to-nauru

Andrews is a more-on. If Turnbull was idiotic enough to accept this offer, then people smugglers would once again see this country as a push-over and resume sending people by the boatload.

Who is a more on?

Link.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 5:26pm:

Andrews is a more-on. If Turnbull was idiotic enough to accept this offer, then people smugglers would once again see this country as a push-over and resume sending people by the boatload.

Wonder how it will affect swinging voters though.

Armpit, do you get a kick out of seeing children suffer?

I think the public are starting to realise this nonsense needs resolving Malcolm!

Its a tough gig but its on you shift now!

Redmond Neck wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 5:54pm:

I think the public are starting to realise this nonsense needs resolving Malcolm! Its a tough gig but its on you shift now!

Reddie, Turdbull is a gutless piece of crap who just does what the RWNJ's in his party tell him to. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 5:26pm:

Andrews is a more-on. If Turnbull was idiotic enough to accept this offer, then people smugglers would once again see this country as a push-over and resume sending people by the boatload.

Rubbish!

Andrews is doing the right thing.

I have said for a while now that BOATS was turning into a negative for the Libs. Try as they might details are leaking out of horrendous conditions in our concentration camps.

Jovial Monk wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 6:31pm:

I have said for a while now that BOATS was turning into a negative for the Libs. Try as they might details are leaking out of horrendous conditions in our concentration camps.

Yep, children under armed guard. /sarc

John Smith wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 5:51pm:

Armpit, do you get a kick out of seeing children suffer?

That can be the only explanation.

“There are infants among this group who were born in the country. Sending them to Nauru will needlessly expose them to a life of physical and emotional trauma."

lee wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 6:44pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 6:31pm: I have said for a while now that BOATS was turning into a negative for the Libs. Try as they might details are leaking out of horrendous conditions in our concentration camps. Yep, children under armed guard. /sarc

Crap on and deflect as much as you like, people are hearing about conditions there and increasingly don’t like what they hear. sorry I’m sure.

John Smith wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 5:51pm:

Armpit, do you get a kick out of seeing children suffer?

No, which is why I support the party that is taking kids out of detention. That is unlike you, who supports the party that put more than 2000 of them into detention. The number would've been higher had the lot you support not caused thousands of people to drown at sea.

lee wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 6:44pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 6:31pm: I have said for a while now that BOATS was turning into a negative for the Libs. Try as they might details are leaking out of horrendous conditions in our concentration camps. Yep, children under armed guard. /sarc

Actually, they aren't. There are no armed guard at any Australian-based detention centre and the detention centre in Nauru is open so that detainees can come and go as they please. Oops, you've been caught out lying! :o

Kat wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 6:25pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 5:26pm: Andrews is a more-on. If Turnbull was idiotic enough to accept this offer, then people smugglers would once again see this country as a push-over and resume sending people by the boatload. Rubbish! Andrews is doing the right thing.

Yes, for the people smugglers.

I've had enough of do-gooders and their fake crying episodes. Do the right thing and send them home straight away.

Like i said in the other forum topic thread... libs won't be happy with the higher moral stance exhibited by a lab. 

double plus good wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:06pm:

I've had enough of do-gooders and their fake crying episodes. Do the right thing and send them home straight away.

Exactly. Look at the trouble that is plaguing Germany now. They let in 1.1 million in an uncontrolled intake. Since then, the people they let in have gone on a rampage. Look at us. We have an orderly immigration program. We carefully vet those who we let in here on a permanent basis and don't pick those who traipse halfway across Europe in search of a more cushy lifestyle. Merkel was an idiot, albeit an idiot with her heart in the right place. But she failed the basic criteria for any leader of any country - she didn't put the safety and well-being of her own citizens first. Now both she and her fellow Germans are paying a steep price for that.

This is people rejected from getting a visa trying to use their kids to get a visa. F em.

stunspore wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:07pm:

Like i said in the other forum topic thread... libs won't be happy with the higher moral stance exhibited by a lab.

I don't believe Andrews is taking the moral high ground. He isn't. His way will just encourage people smugglers to have another go at sending boatloads of country-shoppers this way. They don't care how many survive the trip. They've been paid already. No, the moral high ground belongs to this government in stopping the boats, which has stopped the drownings and stopped the trauma that was experienced by our RAN & Customs personnel who had to pull the dead bodies from the ocean.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:10pm:

double plus good wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:06pm: I've had enough of do-gooders and their fake crying episodes. Do the right thing and send them home straight away. Exactly. Look at the trouble that is plaguing Germany now. They let in 1.1 million in an uncontrolled intake. Since then, the people they let in have gone on a rampage. Look at us. We have an orderly immigration program. We carefully vet those who we let in here on a permanent basis and don't pick those who traipse halfway across Europe in search of a more cushy lifestyle. Merkel was an nice person, albeit an nice person with her heart in the right place. But she failed the basic criteria for any leader of any country - she didn't put the safety and well-being of her own citizens first. Now both she and her fellow Germans are paying a steep price for that.

In this world a leader should think with their mind and not their heart. Hearts make mistakes. I know mine has. That's the problem with female leaders.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:12pm:

the moral high ground belongs to this government in stopping the boats, which has stopped the drownings

Incorrect.

The boats are still out there, and the drownings are still happening.

You obviously get pleasure from lying, but do you also get pleasure from thinking about kids drowning?  It appears that you do.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:14pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:12pm: the moral high ground belongs to this government in stopping the boats, which has stopped the drownings Incorrect. The boats are still out there, and the drownings are still happening? You obviously get pleasure from lying, but do you also get pleasure from thinking about kids drowning?  It appears that you do.

I wish you would drown.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:14pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:12pm: the moral high ground belongs to this government in stopping the boats, which has stopped the drownings Incorrect. The boats are still out there, and the drownings are still happening? You obviously get pleasure from lying, but do you also get pleasure from thinking about kids drowning?  It appears that you do.

Two things: firstly, where are the boats and drownings and secondly, is that a question or a statement you're making?

double plus good wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:16pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:14pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:12pm: the moral high ground belongs to this government in stopping the boats, which has stopped the drownings Incorrect. The boats are still out there, and the drownings are still happening? You obviously get pleasure from lying, but do you also get pleasure from thinking about kids drowning?  It appears that you do. I wish you would drown.

Report yourself to the Corrections Dept run by perceptions_now.  He banned me for posting 'kill him,' so you are now in strife.

Aussie wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:19pm:

double plus good wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:16pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:14pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:12pm: the moral high ground belongs to this government in stopping the boats, which has stopped the drownings Incorrect. The boats are still out there, and the drownings are still happening? You obviously get pleasure from lying, but do you also get pleasure from thinking about kids drowning?  It appears that you do. I wish you would drown. Report yourself to the Corrections Dept run by perceptions_now.  He banned me for posting 'kill him,' so you are now in strife.

piss off douchebag.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:12pm:

stunspore wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:07pm: Like i said in the other forum topic thread... libs won't be happy with the higher moral stance exhibited by a lab.  I don't believe Andrews is taking the moral high ground. He isn't. His way will just encourage people smugglers to have another go at sending boatloads of country-shoppers this way. They don't care how many survive the trip. They've been paid already. No, the moral high ground belongs to this government in stopping the boats, which has stopped the drownings and stopped the trauma that was experienced by our RAN & Customs personnel who had to pull the dead bodies from the ocean.

Moral - based on quick google search - principles of right and wrong. 

Many perspectives of right and wrong here.  Is Andrews right to want to immediately protect these refugees/seekers?  From those people's perspective - yes.  From lib perspective no - because it undermines their policy.

Is it right that wants to prevent "more deaths"? Yes it is. 

If you want to truly stop them landing onto our shores, you would have to make the borders a military zone and shoot all illegal boats.  Eventually they would stop coming.  Would that be moral if shooting a few boats down will stop zillions in the future?  Sounds like a sound lib policy in the making.

Sort of like chinese tactic when hitting pedestrians.  Small fine if killed them, but if they survive, then long and expensive medical bills... which is why you hear reports of cars deliberately reversing back their poor victims.

Perhaps armchair is thinking long term - the "short-term" suffering and pain of returning those people and continuous detentions vs. future boats.

What's interesting to me though, is that as libs are after a new slave caste (low paid, if paid at all), why not let these refugees in then.  You know, since libs like Swag are "sick" of being "progressive tax" slaves. 

Here's a great chance to kill off high paying low skilled workers and their unions by putting in people desperate to do anything.  And these people might even vote for libs to thank them for letting them into the country.  Pretty much win-win here.

Oh wait - I forgot - there are xenophobic elements in the lib party.  Must appease them...or they will abandon ship.  Plenty of famous ex-libs already - Slipper, Palmer....hmm fantastic role models?

double plus good wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:21pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:19pm: double plus good wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:16pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:14pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:12pm: the moral high ground belongs to this government in stopping the boats, which has stopped the drownings Incorrect. The boats are still out there, and the drownings are still happening? You obviously get pleasure from lying, but do you also get pleasure from thinking about kids drowning?  It appears that you do. I wish you would drown. Report yourself to the Corrections Dept run by perceptions_now.  He banned me for posting 'kill him,' so you are now in strife. piss off douchebag.

Apparently there are still boats and drownings out there but peckerhead doesn't know where.  :D :D :D

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:24pm:

double plus good wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:21pm: Aussie wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:19pm: double plus good wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:16pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:14pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:12pm: the moral high ground belongs to this government in stopping the boats, which has stopped the drownings Incorrect. The boats are still out there, and the drownings are still happening? You obviously get pleasure from lying, but do you also get pleasure from thinking about kids drowning?  It appears that you do. I wish you would drown. Report yourself to the Corrections Dept run by perceptions_now.  He banned me for posting 'kill him,' so you are now in strife. piss off douchebag. Apparently there are still boats and drownings out there but peckerhead doesn't know where.  :D :D :D

Peccahead thinks that what happens in the med is somehow our issue. :D :D :D

stunspore wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:24pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:12pm: stunspore wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:07pm: Like i said in the other forum topic thread... libs won't be happy with the higher moral stance exhibited by a lab.  I don't believe Andrews is taking the moral high ground. He isn't. His way will just encourage people smugglers to have another go at sending boatloads of country-shoppers this way. They don't care how many survive the trip. They've been paid already. No, the moral high ground belongs to this government in stopping the boats, which has stopped the drownings and stopped the trauma that was experienced by our RAN & Customs personnel who had to pull the dead bodies from the ocean. Moral - based on quick google search - principles of right and wrong.  Many perspectives of right and wrong here.  Is Andrews right to want to immediately protect these refugees/seekers?  From those people's perspective - yes.  From lib perspective no - because it undermines their policy. Is it right that wants to prevent "more deaths"? Yes it is.  If you want to truly stop them landing onto our shores, you would have to make the borders a military zone and shoot all illegal boats.  Eventually they would stop coming.  Would that be moral if shooting a few boats down will stop zillions in the future?  Sounds like a sound lib policy in the making. Sort of like chinese tactic when hitting pedestrians.  Small fine if killed them, but if they survive, then long and expensive medical bills... which is why you hear reports of cars deliberately reversing back their poor victims. Perhaps armchair is thinking long term - the "short-term" suffering and pain of returning those people and continuous detentions vs. future boats. What's interesting to me though, is that as libs are after a new slave caste (low paid, if paid at all), why not let these refugees in then.  You know, since libs like Swag are "sick" of being "progressive tax" slaves.  Here's a great chance to kill off high paying low skilled workers and their unions by putting in people desperate to do anything.  And these people might even vote for libs to thank them for letting them into the country.  Pretty much win-win here. Oh wait - I forgot - there are xenophobic elements in the lib party.  Must appease them...or they will abandon ship.  Plenty of famous ex-libs already - Slipper, Palmer....hmm fantastic role models?

A number of attackers involved in the Paris massacre had been masquerading as refugees. They managed to get into Paris because of Europe's lax border controls and even more lax politicians who decided to just open the flood gates without any checks or controls on who they let in. Since then, there's been carnage. Choosing who to let in or not let in to our country isn't xenophobia. It's the first responsibility of any government and just plain common sense.

double plus good wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:25pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:24pm: double plus good wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:21pm: Aussie wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:19pm: double plus good wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:16pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:14pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:12pm: the moral high ground belongs to this government in stopping the boats, which has stopped the drownings Incorrect. The boats are still out there, and the drownings are still happening? You obviously get pleasure from lying, but do you also get pleasure from thinking about kids drowning?  It appears that you do. I wish you would drown. Report yourself to the Corrections Dept run by perceptions_now.  He banned me for posting 'kill him,' so you are now in strife. piss off douchebag. Apparently there are still boats and drownings out there but peckerhead doesn't know where.  :D :D :D Peccahead thinks that what happens in the med is somehow our issue. :D :D :D

Yep - Malcolm Turnbull, Prime Minister of Australia and Greece and Turkey and Italy, etc.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:28pm:

double plus good wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:25pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:24pm: double plus good wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:21pm: Aussie wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:19pm: double plus good wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:16pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:14pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:12pm: the moral high ground belongs to this government in stopping the boats, which has stopped the drownings Incorrect. The boats are still out there, and the drownings are still happening? You obviously get pleasure from lying, but do you also get pleasure from thinking about kids drowning?  It appears that you do. I wish you would drown. Report yourself to the Corrections Dept run by perceptions_now.  He banned me for posting 'kill him,' so you are now in strife. piss off douchebag. Apparently there are still boats and drownings out there but peckerhead doesn't know where.  :D :D :D Peccahead thinks that what happens in the med is somehow our issue. :D :D :D Yep - Malcolm Turnbull, Prime Minister of Australia and Greece and Turkey and Italy, etc.

I asked pecca the other day how he'd resolve the issue. This was his answer- a taxpayer funded airline shuttle service so the 3rd world can swamp Australia. Indonesia to Australia. The guy is retarded.

double plus good wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:31pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:28pm: double plus good wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:25pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:24pm: double plus good wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:21pm: Aussie wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:19pm: double plus good wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:16pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:14pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:12pm: the moral high ground belongs to this government in stopping the boats, which has stopped the drownings Incorrect. The boats are still out there, and the drownings are still happening? You obviously get pleasure from lying, but do you also get pleasure from thinking about kids drowning?  It appears that you do. I wish you would drown. Report yourself to the Corrections Dept run by perceptions_now.  He banned me for posting 'kill him,' so you are now in strife. piss off douchebag. Apparently there are still boats and drownings out there but peckerhead doesn't know where.  :D :D :D Peccahead thinks that what happens in the med is somehow our issue. :D :D :D Yep - Malcolm Turnbull, Prime Minister of Australia and Greece and Turkey and Italy, etc. I asked pecca the other day how he'd resolve the issue. This was his answer- a taxpayer funded airline shuttle service so the 3rd world can swamp Australia. Indonesia to Australia. The guy is retarded.

Not just retarded - he's left-wing retarded. That's a dangerous combo.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:36pm:

double plus good wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:31pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:28pm: double plus good wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:25pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:24pm: double plus good wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:21pm: Aussie wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:19pm: double plus good wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:16pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:14pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:12pm: the moral high ground belongs to this government in stopping the boats, which has stopped the drownings Incorrect. The boats are still out there, and the drownings are still happening? You obviously get pleasure from lying, but do you also get pleasure from thinking about kids drowning?  It appears that you do. I wish you would drown. Report yourself to the Corrections Dept run by perceptions_now.  He banned me for posting 'kill him,' so you are now in strife. piss off douchebag. Apparently there are still boats and drownings out there but peckerhead doesn't know where.  :D :D :D Peccahead thinks that what happens in the med is somehow our issue. :D :D :D Yep - Malcolm Turnbull, Prime Minister of Australia and Greece and Turkey and Italy, etc. I asked pecca the other day how he'd resolve the issue. This was his answer- a taxpayer funded airline shuttle service so the 3rd world can swamp Australia. Indonesia to Australia. The guy is retarded. Not just retarded - he's left-wing retarded.

;D ;D ;D

double plus good wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:37pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:36pm: double plus good wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:31pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:28pm: double plus good wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:25pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:24pm: double plus good wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:21pm: Aussie wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:19pm: double plus good wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:16pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:14pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:12pm: the moral high ground belongs to this government in stopping the boats, which has stopped the drownings Incorrect. The boats are still out there, and the drownings are still happening? You obviously get pleasure from lying, but do you also get pleasure from thinking about kids drowning?  It appears that you do. I wish you would drown. Report yourself to the Corrections Dept run by perceptions_now.  He banned me for posting 'kill him,' so you are now in strife. piss off douchebag. Apparently there are still boats and drownings out there but peckerhead doesn't know where.  :D :D :D Peccahead thinks that what happens in the med is somehow our issue. :D :D :D Yep - Malcolm Turnbull, Prime Minister of Australia and Greece and Turkey and Italy, etc. I asked pecca the other day how he'd resolve the issue. This was his answer- a taxpayer funded airline shuttle service so the 3rd world can swamp Australia. Indonesia to Australia. The guy is retarded. Not just retarded - he's left-wing retarded. ;D ;D ;D

Merkel and half of Europe wouldn't be in this mess with dodgy, violent refugees if they had followed Abbott's lead.

double plus good wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:16pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:14pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:12pm: the moral high ground belongs to this government in stopping the boats, which has stopped the drownings Incorrect. The boats are still out there, and the drownings are still happening? You obviously get pleasure from lying, but do you also get pleasure from thinking about kids drowning?  It appears that you do. I wish you would drown.

I'm a fully grown adult.

You usually prefer to watch young children drown.

Why the sudden change?

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:46pm:

double plus good wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:16pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:14pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:12pm: the moral high ground belongs to this government in stopping the boats, which has stopped the drownings Incorrect. The boats are still out there, and the drownings are still happening? You obviously get pleasure from lying, but do you also get pleasure from thinking about kids drowning?  It appears that you do. I wish you would drown. I'm a fully grown adult. You usually prefer to watch young children drown. Why the sudden change?

That's debatable.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:46pm:

double plus good wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:16pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:14pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:12pm: the moral high ground belongs to this government in stopping the boats, which has stopped the drownings Incorrect. The boats are still out there, and the drownings are still happening? You obviously get pleasure from lying, but do you also get pleasure from thinking about kids drowning?  It appears that you do. I wish you would drown. I'm a fully grown adult. You usually prefer to watch young children drown. Why the sudden change?

I didn't put any kids on unseaworthy boats. Blame their parents.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:24pm:

double plus good wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:21pm: Aussie wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:19pm: double plus good wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:16pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:14pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:12pm: the moral high ground belongs to this government in stopping the boats, which has stopped the drownings Incorrect. The boats are still out there, and the drownings are still happening? You obviously get pleasure from lying, but do you also get pleasure from thinking about kids drowning?  It appears that you do. I wish you would drown. Report yourself to the Corrections Dept run by perceptions_now.  He banned me for posting 'kill him,' so you are now in strife. piss off douchebag. Apparently there are still boats and drownings out there but peckerhead doesn't know where.

"The Turkish coastguard has recovered the bodies of drowned asylum seekers, including children, washed up on a beach after yet another boat sank while trying to reach Europe, leaving at least 37 dead."

"The drownings continue a grim trend that accelerated last year when nearly 4,000 people died trying to reach Europe by sea, according to the International Organisation for Migration (IOM)."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-31/37-asylum-seekers-drown-off-turkey/7127608

Is that getting you aroused, Armpit?

double plus good wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:48pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:46pm: double plus good wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:16pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:14pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:12pm: the moral high ground belongs to this government in stopping the boats, which has stopped the drownings Incorrect. The boats are still out there, and the drownings are still happening? You obviously get pleasure from lying, but do you also get pleasure from thinking about kids drowning?  It appears that you do. I wish you would drown. I'm a fully grown adult. You usually prefer to watch young children drown. Why the sudden change? I didn't put any kids on unseaworthy boats. Blame their parents.

Why do you get so excited about seeing the children drown?

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:51pm:

double plus good wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:48pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:46pm: double plus good wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:16pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:14pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:12pm: the moral high ground belongs to this government in stopping the boats, which has stopped the drownings Incorrect. The boats are still out there, and the drownings are still happening? You obviously get pleasure from lying, but do you also get pleasure from thinking about kids drowning?  It appears that you do. I wish you would drown. I'm a fully grown adult. You usually prefer to watch young children drown. Why the sudden change? I didn't put any kids on unseaworthy boats. Blame their parents. Why do you get so excited about seeing the children drown?

I've never seen a child drown. I don't know what you are talking about.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:51pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:24pm: double plus good wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:21pm: Aussie wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:19pm: double plus good wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:16pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:14pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:12pm: the moral high ground belongs to this government in stopping the boats, which has stopped the drownings Incorrect. The boats are still out there, and the drownings are still happening? You obviously get pleasure from lying, but do you also get pleasure from thinking about kids drowning?  It appears that you do. I wish you would drown. Report yourself to the Corrections Dept run by perceptions_now.  He banned me for posting 'kill him,' so you are now in strife. piss off douchebag. Apparently there are still boats and drownings out there but peckerhead doesn't know where.  "The Turkish coastguard has recovered the bodies of drowned asylum seekers, including children, washed up on a beach after yet another boat sank while trying to reach Europe, leaving at least 37 dead." "The drownings continue a grim trend that accelerated last year when nearly 4,000 people died trying to reach Europe by sea, according to the International Organisation for Migration (IOM)." http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-31/37-asylum-seekers-drown-off-turkey/7127608 Is that getting you aroused, Armpit?

Yeah, aroused by your stupidity. Since when does the Turkish coastline come under Australian jurisdiction? Note that the boat was trying to reach Europe, not Australia.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:54pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:51pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:24pm: double plus good wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:21pm: Aussie wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:19pm: double plus good wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:16pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:14pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:12pm: the moral high ground belongs to this government in stopping the boats, which has stopped the drownings Incorrect. The boats are still out there, and the drownings are still happening? You obviously get pleasure from lying, but do you also get pleasure from thinking about kids drowning?  It appears that you do. I wish you would drown. Report yourself to the Corrections Dept run by perceptions_now.  He banned me for posting 'kill him,' so you are now in strife. piss off douchebag. Apparently there are still boats and drownings out there but peckerhead doesn't know where.  "The Turkish coastguard has recovered the bodies of drowned asylum seekers, including children, washed up on a beach after yet another boat sank while trying to reach Europe, leaving at least 37 dead." "The drownings continue a grim trend that accelerated last year when nearly 4,000 people died trying to reach Europe by sea, according to the International Organisation for Migration (IOM)." http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-31/37-asylum-seekers-drown-off-turkey/7127608 Is that getting you aroused, Armpit? Yeah, aroused by your stupidity. Since when does the Turkish coastline come under Australian jurisdiction?

It doesn't.  Who told you it does?

"The drownings continue a grim trend that accelerated last year when nearly 4,000 people died trying to reach Europe by sea, according to the International Organisation for Migration (IOM)."

The boats haven't stopped, and the drownings continue.

Moreover, Armpit and Homo continue to celebrate the deaths of young children.

double plus good wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:53pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:51pm: double plus good wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:48pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:46pm: double plus good wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:16pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:14pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:12pm: the moral high ground belongs to this government in stopping the boats, which has stopped the drownings Incorrect. The boats are still out there, and the drownings are still happening? You obviously get pleasure from lying, but do you also get pleasure from thinking about kids drowning?  It appears that you do. I wish you would drown. I'm a fully grown adult. You usually prefer to watch young children drown. Why the sudden change? I didn't put any kids on unseaworthy boats. Blame their parents. Why do you get so excited about seeing the children drown? I've never seen a child drown. I don't know what you are talking about.

"The drownings continue a grim trend that accelerated last year when nearly 4,000 people died trying to reach Europe by sea, according to the International Organisation for Migration (IOM)."

Why do you get so excited about the thought of children drowning?

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:57pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:54pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:51pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:24pm: double plus good wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:21pm: Aussie wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:19pm: double plus good wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:16pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:14pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:12pm: the moral high ground belongs to this government in stopping the boats, which has stopped the drownings Incorrect. The boats are still out there, and the drownings are still happening? You obviously get pleasure from lying, but do you also get pleasure from thinking about kids drowning?  It appears that you do. I wish you would drown. Report yourself to the Corrections Dept run by perceptions_now.  He banned me for posting 'kill him,' so you are now in strife. piss off douchebag. Apparently there are still boats and drownings out there but peckerhead doesn't know where.  "The Turkish coastguard has recovered the bodies of drowned asylum seekers, including children, washed up on a beach after yet another boat sank while trying to reach Europe, leaving at least 37 dead." "The drownings continue a grim trend that accelerated last year when nearly 4,000 people died trying to reach Europe by sea, according to the International Organisation for Migration (IOM)." http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-31/37-asylum-seekers-drown-off-turkey/7127608 Is that getting you aroused, Armpit? Yeah, aroused by your stupidity. Since when does the Turkish coastline come under Australian jurisdiction? It doesn't.  Who told you it does? "The drownings continue a grim trend that accelerated last year when nearly 4,000 people died trying to reach Europe by sea, according to the International Organisation for Migration (IOM)." The boats haven't stopped, and the drownings continue. Moreover, Armpit and Homo continue to celebrate the deaths of young children.

Actually, you do. How? By continuing to try to somehow link the happenings  in Europe with our immigration program. It's about as far-fetched as it gets, even for an idiot like you.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:58pm:

double plus good wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:53pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:51pm: double plus good wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:48pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:46pm: double plus good wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:16pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:14pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:12pm: the moral high ground belongs to this government in stopping the boats, which has stopped the drownings Incorrect. The boats are still out there, and the drownings are still happening? You obviously get pleasure from lying, but do you also get pleasure from thinking about kids drowning?  It appears that you do. I wish you would drown. I'm a fully grown adult. You usually prefer to watch young children drown. Why the sudden change? I didn't put any kids on unseaworthy boats. Blame their parents. Why do you get so excited about seeing the children drown? I've never seen a child drown. I don't know what you are talking about. "The drownings continue a grim trend that accelerated last year when nearly 4,000 people died trying to reach Europe by sea, according to the International Organisation for Migration (IOM)." Why do you get so excited about the thought of children drowning?

I'd get excited with the thought of you drowning.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 8:00pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:57pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:54pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:51pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:24pm: double plus good wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:21pm: Aussie wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:19pm: double plus good wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:16pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:14pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:12pm: the moral high ground belongs to this government in stopping the boats, which has stopped the drownings Incorrect. The boats are still out there, and the drownings are still happening? You obviously get pleasure from lying, but do you also get pleasure from thinking about kids drowning?  It appears that you do. I wish you would drown. Report yourself to the Corrections Dept run by perceptions_now.  He banned me for posting 'kill him,' so you are now in strife. piss off douchebag. Apparently there are still boats and drownings out there but peckerhead doesn't know where.  "The Turkish coastguard has recovered the bodies of drowned asylum seekers, including children, washed up on a beach after yet another boat sank while trying to reach Europe, leaving at least 37 dead." "The drownings continue a grim trend that accelerated last year when nearly 4,000 people died trying to reach Europe by sea, according to the International Organisation for Migration (IOM)." http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-31/37-asylum-seekers-drown-off-turkey/7127608 Is that getting you aroused, Armpit? Yeah, aroused by your stupidity. Since when does the Turkish coastline come under Australian jurisdiction? It doesn't.  Who told you it does? "The drownings continue a grim trend that accelerated last year when nearly 4,000 people died trying to reach Europe by sea, according to the International Organisation for Migration (IOM)." The boats haven't stopped, and the drownings continue. Moreover, Armpit and Homo continue to celebrate the deaths of young children. Actually, you do. How? By continuing to try to somehow link the happenings  in Europe with our immigration program.

I've done no such thing.

"The drownings continue a grim trend that accelerated last year when nearly 4,000 people died trying to reach Europe by sea, according to the International Organisation for Migration (IOM)."

The boats haven't stopped, and the drownings continue.

Moreover, Armpit and Homo continue to celebrate the deaths of young children.

Andrews writes a letter to Turnbull then brags about it on Twitter - what a childish twerp he'd be

Is that his way of getting approval from Victorians', "Likes" on Twiitter ?

Bias_2012 wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 8:04pm:

Andrews writes a letter to Turnbull then brags about it on Twitter - what a childish twerp he'd be Is that his way of getting approval from Victorians', "Likes" on Twiitter ?

Yep. If it wasn't just a pointless political stunt, he'd have told no one about the letter. But that's Labor for you. They love playing political games with other peoples' lives.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 8:12pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:04pm: Andrews writes a letter to Turnbull then brags about it on Twitter - what a childish twerp he'd be Is that his way of getting approval from Victorians', "Likes" on Twiitter ? Yep. If it wasn't just a pointless political stunt, he'd have told no one about the letter. But that's Labor for you. They love playing political games with other peoples' lives.

So, you reckon Andrews is lying and Victoria is not willing to do what is outlined in the letter?

Aussie wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 8:15pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:12pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:04pm: Andrews writes a letter to Turnbull then brags about it on Twitter - what a childish twerp he'd be Is that his way of getting approval from Victorians', "Likes" on Twiitter ? Yep. If it wasn't just a pointless political stunt, he'd have told no one about the letter. But that's Labor for you. They love playing political games with other peoples' lives. So, you reckon Andrews is lying and Victoria is not willing to do what is outlined in the letter?

No, I'm sure he's serious. Just as I'm sure he's an absolute i-d-i-o-t who has no idea what he's trying to get himself or his state into.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 8:23pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:15pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:12pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:04pm: Andrews writes a letter to Turnbull then brags about it on Twitter - what a childish twerp he'd be Is that his way of getting approval from Victorians', "Likes" on Twiitter ? Yep. If it wasn't just a pointless political stunt, he'd have told no one about the letter. But that's Labor for you. They love playing political games with other peoples' lives. So, you reckon Andrews is lying and Victoria is not willing to do what is outlined in the letter? No, I'm sure he's serious. Just as I'm sure he's an absolute i-d-i-o-t who has no idea what he's trying to get himself or his state into.

Sounds like he's trying to save some lives.

I completely understand why that would be an alien concept to you, however.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 8:23pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:15pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:12pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:04pm: Andrews writes a letter to Turnbull then brags about it on Twitter - what a childish twerp he'd be Is that his way of getting approval from Victorians', "Likes" on Twiitter ? Yep. If it wasn't just a pointless political stunt, he'd have told no one about the letter. But that's Labor for you. They love playing political games with other peoples' lives. So, you reckon Andrews is lying and Victoria is not willing to do what is outlined in the letter? No, I'm sure he's serious. Just as I'm sure he's an absolute i-d-i-o-t who has no idea what he's trying to get himself or his state into.

So, how is it political stunt, if he is serious?  Ought he hide the proposal from Victorians, or let them know exactly what he has offered the PM?

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 8:26pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:23pm: Aussie wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:15pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:12pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:04pm: Andrews writes a letter to Turnbull then brags about it on Twitter - what a childish twerp he'd be Is that his way of getting approval from Victorians', "Likes" on Twiitter ? Yep. If it wasn't just a pointless political stunt, he'd have told no one about the letter. But that's Labor for you. They love playing political games with other peoples' lives. So, you reckon Andrews is lying and Victoria is not willing to do what is outlined in the letter? No, I'm sure he's serious. Just as I'm sure he's an absolute i-d-i-o-t who has no idea what he's trying to get himself or his state into. Sounds like he's trying to save some lives. I completely understand why that would be an alien concept to you, however.

Maybe he "thinks" his idea is going to save lives. It won't. It'll cost more lives. Just like Rudd's changes to our immigration policy (i.e. abolishing the Pacific Solution) weren't more humanitarian. His changes were the complete and utter opposite.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 8:32pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:26pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:23pm: Aussie wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:15pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:12pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:04pm: Andrews writes a letter to Turnbull then brags about it on Twitter - what a childish twerp he'd be Is that his way of getting approval from Victorians', "Likes" on Twiitter ? Yep. If it wasn't just a pointless political stunt, he'd have told no one about the letter. But that's Labor for you. They love playing political games with other peoples' lives. So, you reckon Andrews is lying and Victoria is not willing to do what is outlined in the letter? No, I'm sure he's serious. Just as I'm sure he's an absolute i-d-i-o-t who has no idea what he's trying to get himself or his state into. Sounds like he's trying to save some lives. I completely understand why that would be an alien concept to you, however. Maybe he "thinks" his idea is going to save lives. It won't.

Please explain.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 8:34pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:32pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:26pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:23pm: Aussie wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:15pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:12pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:04pm: Andrews writes a letter to Turnbull then brags about it on Twitter - what a childish twerp he'd be Is that his way of getting approval from Victorians', "Likes" on Twiitter ? Yep. If it wasn't just a pointless political stunt, he'd have told no one about the letter. But that's Labor for you. They love playing political games with other peoples' lives. So, you reckon Andrews is lying and Victoria is not willing to do what is outlined in the letter? No, I'm sure he's serious. Just as I'm sure he's an absolute i-d-i-o-t who has no idea what he's trying to get himself or his state into. Sounds like he's trying to save some lives. I completely understand why that would be an alien concept to you, however. Maybe he "thinks" his idea is going to save lives. It won't. Please explain.

I did, Pauline. Goodnight.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 8:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:34pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:32pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:26pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:23pm: Aussie wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:15pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:12pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:04pm: Andrews writes a letter to Turnbull then brags about it on Twitter - what a childish twerp he'd be Is that his way of getting approval from Victorians', "Likes" on Twiitter ? Yep. If it wasn't just a pointless political stunt, he'd have told no one about the letter. But that's Labor for you. They love playing political games with other peoples' lives. So, you reckon Andrews is lying and Victoria is not willing to do what is outlined in the letter? No, I'm sure he's serious. Just as I'm sure he's an absolute i-d-i-o-t who has no idea what he's trying to get himself or his state into. Sounds like he's trying to save some lives. I completely understand why that would be an alien concept to you, however. Maybe he "thinks" his idea is going to save lives. It won't. Please explain. I can't.

White flag accepted.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:02pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 5:51pm: Armpit, do you get a kick out of seeing children suffer? No, which is why I support the party that is taking kids out of detention. .

you can pretend all you like, you called for the kids to be sent into detention you scum. You even called Andrews a more on for saying they should remain. 

One day, if something happens to you and your wife and your kids have to depend on strangers, how do you want your kids treated? Or do you agree the strangers should put their ideology ahead of your kids safety?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 8:00pm:

It's about as far-fetched as it gets, even for an nice person like you.

no it's not. All you've done is limit the destination countries by one. You stop them coming here, they go there, you haven't stopped any drownings, just moved it along.

John Smith wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 8:46pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:00pm: It's about as far-fetched as it gets, even for an nice person like you. no it's not. All you've done is limit the destination countries by one. You stop them coming here, they go there, you haven't stopped any drownings, just moved it along.

Not in Australian waters, That's all that matter to me.

double plus good wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 8:50pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:46pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:00pm: It's about as far-fetched as it gets, even for an nice person like you. no it's not. All you've done is limit the destination countries by one. You stop them coming here, they go there, you haven't stopped any drownings, just moved it along. Not in Australian waters, That's all that matter to me.

that's because you're a dirt bag.

John Smith wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 8:52pm:

double plus good wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:50pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:46pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:00pm: It's about as far-fetched as it gets, even for an nice person like you. no it's not. All you've done is limit the destination countries by one. You stop them coming here, they go there, you haven't stopped any drownings, just moved it along. Not in Australian waters, That's all that matter to me. that's because you're a dirt bag.

And you are a maggot wriggling  around at the bottom of a  rotten garbage bin. I don't sit up thinking about what happens 1,000's of miles away. I'll leave that to retards like you.

Aussie wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 8:30pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:23pm: Aussie wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:15pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:12pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:04pm: Andrews writes a letter to Turnbull then brags about it on Twitter - what a childish twerp he'd be Is that his way of getting approval from Victorians', "Likes" on Twiitter ? Yep. If it wasn't just a pointless political stunt, he'd have told no one about the letter. But that's Labor for you. They love playing political games with other peoples' lives. So, you reckon Andrews is lying and Victoria is not willing to do what is outlined in the letter? No, I'm sure he's serious. Just as I'm sure he's an absolute i-d-i-o-t who has no idea what he's trying to get himself or his state into. So, how is it political stunt, if he is serious?  Ought he hide the proposal from Victorians, or let them know exactly what he has offered the PM?

Would be a stunt if Turnbull accepted the proposal and then Andrews rejected it.  Let's see if Turnbull will first.

John Smith wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 8:52pm:

double plus good wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:50pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:46pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:00pm: It's about as far-fetched as it gets, even for an nice person like you. no it's not. All you've done is limit the destination countries by one. You stop them coming here, they go there, you haven't stopped any drownings, just moved it along. Not in Australian waters, That's all that matter to me. that's because you're a dirt bag.

All the signs of a sociopath, actually.

To be serious, for just a minute, he seems to have some very disturbing mental problems.

I just hope that he isn't married, with kids.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:27pm:

stunspore wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:24pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:12pm: stunspore wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:07pm: Like i said in the other forum topic thread... libs won't be happy with the higher moral stance exhibited by a lab.  I don't believe Andrews is taking the moral high ground. He isn't. His way will just encourage people smugglers to have another go at sending boatloads of country-shoppers this way. They don't care how many survive the trip. They've been paid already. No, the moral high ground belongs to this government in stopping the boats, which has stopped the drownings and stopped the trauma that was experienced by our RAN & Customs personnel who had to pull the dead bodies from the ocean. Moral - based on quick google search - principles of right and wrong.  Many perspectives of right and wrong here.  Is Andrews right to want to immediately protect these refugees/seekers?  From those people's perspective - yes.  From lib perspective no - because it undermines their policy. Is it right that wants to prevent "more deaths"? Yes it is.  If you want to truly stop them landing onto our shores, you would have to make the borders a military zone and shoot all illegal boats.  Eventually they would stop coming.  Would that be moral if shooting a few boats down will stop zillions in the future?  Sounds like a sound lib policy in the making. Sort of like chinese tactic when hitting pedestrians.  Small fine if killed them, but if they survive, then long and expensive medical bills... which is why you hear reports of cars deliberately reversing back their poor victims. Perhaps armchair is thinking long term - the "short-term" suffering and pain of returning those people and continuous detentions vs. future boats. What's interesting to me though, is that as libs are after a new slave caste (low paid, if paid at all), why not let these refugees in then.  You know, since libs like Swag are "sick" of being "progressive tax" slaves.  Here's a great chance to kill off high paying low skilled workers and their unions by putting in people desperate to do anything.  And these people might even vote for libs to thank them for letting them into the country.  Pretty much win-win here. Oh wait - I forgot - there are xenophobic elements in the lib party.  Must appease them...or they will abandon ship.  Plenty of famous ex-libs already - Slipper, Palmer....hmm fantastic role models? A number of attackers involved in the Paris massacre had been masquerading as refugees. They managed to get into Paris because of Europe's lax border controls and even more lax politicians who decided to just open the flood gates without any checks or controls on who they let in. Since then, there's been carnage. Choosing who to let in or not let in to our country isn't xenophobia. It's the first responsibility of any government and just plain common sense.

Plenty of politicians (libs) wrecking the country faster than any terrorist.

I thought that was what security checks are for.

I wouldn't think most of the children/babies going to be terrorists...

I would think most people have a stance on this already on this thread.  What's more interesting is how the swinging voters will decide. 

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 8:58pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:52pm: double plus good wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:50pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:46pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:00pm: It's about as far-fetched as it gets, even for an nice person like you. no it's not. All you've done is limit the destination countries by one. You stop them coming here, they go there, you haven't stopped any drownings, just moved it along. Not in Australian waters, That's all that matter to me. that's because you're a dirt bag. All the signs of a sociopath, actually. To be serious, for just a minute, he seems to have some very disturbing mental problems. I just hope that he isn't married, with kids.

You fight with 90% of the people on here. You are a sociopath with narcissistic tendencies. In fact you are a squirming nasty little gay cretin.

double plus good wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 9:05pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:58pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:52pm: double plus good wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:50pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:46pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:00pm: It's about as far-fetched as it gets, even for an nice person like you. no it's not. All you've done is limit the destination countries by one. You stop them coming here, they go there, you haven't stopped any drownings, just moved it along. Not in Australian waters, That's all that matter to me. that's because you're a dirt bag. All the signs of a sociopath, actually. To be serious, for just a minute, he seems to have some very disturbing mental problems. I just hope that he isn't married, with kids. You fight with 90% of the people on here. You are a sociopath with narcissistic tendencies. In fact you are a squirming nasty little gay cretin.

Thank you for proving my point.

Aussie wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 8:15pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:12pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:04pm: Andrews writes a letter to Turnbull then brags about it on Twitter - what a childish twerp he'd be Is that his way of getting approval from Victorians', "Likes" on Twiitter ? Yep. If it wasn't just a pointless political stunt, he'd have told no one about the letter. But that's Labor for you. They love playing political games with other peoples' lives. So, you reckon Andrews is lying and Victoria is not willing to do what is outlined in the letter?

Andrews wasn't elected to carry on stupid, but stupid comes out in all Labor premiers sooner or later, he's only playing to a populist emotion he thinks he can win over, Turnbull would be right to ignore him and teach him a bit pragmatic common sense

Bias_2012 wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 9:06pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:15pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:12pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:04pm: Andrews writes a letter to Turnbull then brags about it on Twitter - what a childish twerp he'd be Is that his way of getting approval from Victorians', "Likes" on Twiitter ? Yep. If it wasn't just a pointless political stunt, he'd have told no one about the letter. But that's Labor for you. They love playing political games with other peoples' lives. So, you reckon Andrews is lying and Victoria is not willing to do what is outlined in the letter? Andrews wasn't elected to carry on stupid, but stupid comes out in all Labor premiers sooner or later, he's only playing to a populist emotion he thinks he can win over, Turnbull would be right to ignore him and teach him a bit pragmatic common sense

He wasn't elected to stand by and do nothing while kids suffer either.

1 Australian Premier showing compassion, decency and common sense.

Dnarever wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 9:37pm:

1 Australian Premier showing compassion, decency and common sense.

I've not seen it for a long time.

We need more people like him.

Dnarever wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 9:37pm:

1 Australian Premier showing compassion, decency and common sense.

Another premier putting his nose into business that doesn't concern him.

double plus good wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 9:39pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 9:37pm: 1 Australian Premier showing compassion, decency and common sense. Another premier putting his nose into business that doesn't concern him.

Making attempts to save the lives of those less fortunate than us, is everyone's business.

double plus good wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 9:39pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 9:37pm: 1 Australian Premier showing compassion, decency and common sense. Another premier putting his nose into business that doesn't concern him.

If one has influence and uses it to try and do something good with it (whether it is right or misguided depending if you're a lib or not), then it is anyone's business.

To be honest, this thread doesn't have much purpose now other than to "boats" and "save the children" arguments.  Pretty much exhausted those points I'm sure.  Now probably evolving into "I'm right, you're wrong" and insults.

John Smith wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 8:41pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:02pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 5:51pm: Armpit, do you get a kick out of seeing children suffer? No, which is why I support the party that is taking kids out of detention. . you can pretend all you like, you called for the kids to be sent into detention you scum. You even called Andrews a more on for saying they should remain.  One day, if something happens to you and your wife and your kids have to depend on strangers, how do you want your kids treated? Or do you agree the strangers should put their ideology ahead of your kids safety?

Actually, YOU did by supporting the ALP and Greens to keep Labor's appalling policy going. Kids in detention when the Coalition left office in 2007 - ZERO, NONE, NADA, ZIP. Kids in detention when Coalition regained office (i.e. on Labor's watch) - 2,000+. You can play childish games with words all you like, but at the end of the day the truth will remain: Labor locked up more than 2,000 kids (many who are orphans whose parents drowned at sea) while the Coalition is setting them free. By the way, no one invited those people or their kids here and there's nothing preventing them from going home. Those families are free to return home any time they wish. So enough of your faux, politically biased outrage. Time for you to grow a brain and use it.

John Smith wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 8:46pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:00pm: It's about as far-fetched as it gets, even for an nice person like you. no it's not. All you've done is limit the destination countries by one. You stop them coming here, they go there, you haven't stopped any drownings, just moved it along.

So then what of the 12,000 genuine refugees that Tony Abbott organised to come here before being deposed?

stunspore wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 9:04pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:27pm: stunspore wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:24pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:12pm: stunspore wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:07pm: Like i said in the other forum topic thread... libs won't be happy with the higher moral stance exhibited by a lab.  I don't believe Andrews is taking the moral high ground. He isn't. His way will just encourage people smugglers to have another go at sending boatloads of country-shoppers this way. They don't care how many survive the trip. They've been paid already. No, the moral high ground belongs to this government in stopping the boats, which has stopped the drownings and stopped the trauma that was experienced by our RAN & Customs personnel who had to pull the dead bodies from the ocean. Moral - based on quick google search - principles of right and wrong.  Many perspectives of right and wrong here.  Is Andrews right to want to immediately protect these refugees/seekers?  From those people's perspective - yes.  From lib perspective no - because it undermines their policy. Is it right that wants to prevent "more deaths"? Yes it is.  If you want to truly stop them landing onto our shores, you would have to make the borders a military zone and shoot all illegal boats.  Eventually they would stop coming.  Would that be moral if shooting a few boats down will stop zillions in the future?  Sounds like a sound lib policy in the making. Sort of like chinese tactic when hitting pedestrians.  Small fine if killed them, but if they survive, then long and expensive medical bills... which is why you hear reports of cars deliberately reversing back their poor victims. Perhaps armchair is thinking long term - the "short-term" suffering and pain of returning those people and continuous detentions vs. future boats. What's interesting to me though, is that as libs are after a new slave caste (low paid, if paid at all), why not let these refugees in then.  You know, since libs like Swag are "sick" of being "progressive tax" slaves.  Here's a great chance to kill off high paying low skilled workers and their unions by putting in people desperate to do anything.  And these people might even vote for libs to thank them for letting them into the country.  Pretty much win-win here. Oh wait - I forgot - there are xenophobic elements in the lib party.  Must appease them...or they will abandon ship.  Plenty of famous ex-libs already - Slipper, Palmer....hmm fantastic role models? A number of attackers involved in the Paris massacre had been masquerading as refugees. They managed to get into Paris because of Europe's lax border controls and even more lax politicians who decided to just open the flood gates without any checks or controls on who they let in. Since then, there's been carnage. Choosing who to let in or not let in to our country isn't xenophobia. It's the first responsibility of any government and just plain common sense. Plenty of politicians (libs) wrecking the country faster than any terrorist. I thought that was what security checks are for. I wouldn't think most of the children/babies going to be terrorists... I would think most people have a stance on this already on this thread.  What's more interesting is how the swinging voters will decide.

It's very difficult to do those security checks when those people were encouraged during Labor's reign of terror to throw their passports into the sea to make it nigh on impossible for the weak-kneed Labor government to reject them.

stunspore wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 9:43pm:

double plus good wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 9:39pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 9:37pm: 1 Australian Premier showing compassion, decency and common sense. Another premier putting his nose into business that doesn't concern him. If one has influence and uses it to try and do something good with it (whether it is right or misguided depending if you're a lib or not), then it is anyone's business. To be honest, this thread doesn't have much purpose now other than to "boats" and "save the children" arguments.  Pretty much exhausted those points I'm sure.  Now probably evolving into "I'm right, you're wrong" and insults.

It's like that Sydney council attempting to ban Israeli products in a boycott. Pointless and stupid.

It is not like that at all. One day you might think but I am not holding my breath.

It is about not letting wounded people be moved back to where they were wounded—assault, sexual abuse, rape, daily humiliation by guards etc.

Armpit likes seeing children raped.

It seems so.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 7^th, 2016 at 6:15am:

Armpit likes seeing children raped.

No kids were in detention when the Coalition left office in 2007. No kids were dying at sea. Fast forward to 2013 and more than 2,000 kids have been detained by Labor, with hundreds dead at sea. All in the name of Labor's "humanitarian" policy shambles. Fast forward to 2016 and fewer than 80 kids are currently in detention, down from the more than 2,000 that Labor had locked up. So while it's nice that you're concerned about the welfare of these kids (or at least pretend to be), you're a little late in realising this problem that Labor created and which the Coalition is doing a bloody good job of cleaning up. Now, go do something painful with yourself.

blah blah blah

Why do you want kids and women returned to where they were raped and assaulted, ArmPit? That is a pretty shocking thing to want.

Great move by Andrews.

He is doing something that the liberals are good at.

WEDGE POLITICS

and the federal Liberals government and their supporters  don't know how to handle it.

Has the Victoria opposition come out and say that they will or won't support the plan

Labor voter wrote on Feb 7^th, 2016 at 6:49am:

Great move by Andrews. He is doing something that the liberals are good at. WEDGE POLITICS and the federal Liberals government and their supporters  don't know how to handle it. Has the Victoria opposition come out and say that they will or won't support the plan

The Victoria opposition said it was little more than a stunt and that there are more important things to focus on, like Labor's deficit, the colossal waste of money cancelling a billion-dollar project and other problems affecting Victorians. The Victoria opposition is right on all points.

Jovial Monk wrote on Feb 7^th, 2016 at 6:46am:

blah blah blah Why do you want kids and women returned to where they were raped and assaulted, ArmPit? That is a pretty shocking thing to want.

I don't, which is why I support the people who are releasing them - the Coalition. A better question is why do YOU support the corrupt mob who locked them up and oversaw their relatives drowning? Why do you support killing and raping and locking up of these people? WHY? :-?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 7^th, 2016 at 6:40am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 7th, 2016 at 6:15am: Armpit likes seeing children raped. No kids were in detention when the Coalition left office in 2007. No kids were dying at sea. Fast forward to 2013 and more than 2,000 kids have been detained by Labor, with hundreds dead at sea. All in the name of Labor's "humanitarian" policy shambles. Fast forward to 2016 and fewer than 80 kids are currently in detention, down from the more than 2,000 that Labor had locked up. So while it's nice that you're concerned about the welfare of these kids (or at least pretend to be), you're a little late in realising this problem that Labor created and which the Coalition is doing a bloody good job of cleaning up. Now, go do something painful with yourself.

Armpit likes to excuse child rape.  Armpit, why do you accept child rape?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 7^th, 2016 at 7:08am:

Labor voter wrote on Feb 7th, 2016 at 6:49am: Great move by Andrews. He is doing something that the liberals are good at. WEDGE POLITICS and the federal Liberals government and their supporters  don't know how to handle it. Has the Victoria opposition come out and say that they will or won't support the plan The Victoria opposition said it was little more than a stunt and that there are more important things to focus on, like Labor's deficit, the colossal waste of money cancelling a billion-dollar project and other problems affecting Victorians. The Victoria opposition is right on all points.

What's more important that child rape?  Shame that coalition always supports institutional child rape.

:o
Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 7^th, 2016 at 7:08am:

Labor voter wrote on Feb 7th, 2016 at 6:49am: Great move by Andrews. He is doing something that the liberals are good at. WEDGE POLITICS and the federal Liberals government and their supporters  don't know how to handle it. Has the Victoria opposition come out and say that they will or won't support the plan The Victoria opposition said it was little more than a stunt and that there are more important things to focus on, like Labor's deficit, the colossal waste of money cancelling a billion-dollar project and other problems affecting Victorians. The Victoria opposition is right on all points.

That ‘project’ would have cost much more than $1Bn and created a loss. That compo was needed can be put down to the Vic Lib govt.

What armpit fails to realise: it's one thing to argue the cause of something, it's another to argue the cause but still put the vulnerable back in the same situation.

And to support such a move, you're disgusting.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 7^th, 2016 at 7:12am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 7th, 2016 at 7:08am: Labor voter wrote on Feb 7th, 2016 at 6:49am: Great move by Andrews. He is doing something that the liberals are good at. WEDGE POLITICS and the federal Liberals government and their supporters  don't know how to handle it. Has the Victoria opposition come out and say that they will or won't support the plan The Victoria opposition said it was little more than a stunt and that there are more important things to focus on, like Labor's deficit, the colossal waste of money cancelling a billion-dollar project and other problems affecting Victorians. The Victoria opposition is right on all points. What's more important that child rape?  Shame that coalition always supports institutional child rape.

Yup—the turncoat govt won’t spend any money helping those found to have been sexually assualted. Probably thinks the RC into Child Sex abuse is a waste of money.

Jovial Monk wrote on Feb 7^th, 2016 at 7:17am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 7th, 2016 at 7:12am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 7th, 2016 at 7:08am: Labor voter wrote on Feb 7th, 2016 at 6:49am: Great move by Andrews. He is doing something that the liberals are good at. WEDGE POLITICS and the federal Liberals government and their supporters  don't know how to handle it. Has the Victoria opposition come out and say that they will or won't support the plan The Victoria opposition said it was little more than a stunt and that there are more important things to focus on, like Labor's deficit, the colossal waste of money cancelling a billion-dollar project and other problems affecting Victorians. The Victoria opposition is right on all points. What's more important that child rape?  Shame that coalition always supports institutional child rape. Yup—the turncoat govt won’t spend any money helping those found to have been sexually assualted. Probably thinks the RC into Child Sex abuse is a waste of money.

Of course.  The religious nut jobs in his party have his balls.

Hmmm... it can be a win-win situation for andrews except for the hardlline lib supporters.

Win if Turnbull says "no" - winning on the compassion side.
Win if Turnbull says "yes" - winning on the compassion side.  Very little at stakes since generally Andrews/lab won't lose many swinging voters over this and they were never going to win the diehard lib supporters - they will complain and whine though.
If the Vic opposition put too much of a fight/sound, then they might put off swinging voters since Victoria generally is more rational/progressive than NSW, which is what most forum posters are from, I suspect.

Yup.

double plus good wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 8:54pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:52pm: double plus good wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:50pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:46pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:00pm: It's about as far-fetched as it gets, even for an nice person like you. no it's not. All you've done is limit the destination countries by one. You stop them coming here, they go there, you haven't stopped any drownings, just moved it along. Not in Australian waters, That's all that matter to me. that's because you're a dirt bag. And you are a maggot wriggling  around at the bottom of a  rotten garbage bin. I don't sit up thinking about what happens 1,000's of miles away. I'll leave that to retards like you.

and yet you're the one who continually brings up what the Muslims are doing in Paris  :D :D :D :D

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 7^th, 2016 at 5:42am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:41pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:02pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 5:51pm: Armpit, do you get a kick out of seeing children suffer? No, which is why I support the party that is taking kids out of detention. . you can pretend all you like, you called for the kids to be sent into detention you scum. You even called Andrews a more on for saying they should remain.  One day, if something happens to you and your wife and your kids have to depend on strangers, how do you want your kids treated? Or do you agree the strangers should put their ideology ahead of your kids safety? Actually, YOU did by supporting the ALP and Greens to keep Labor's appalling policy going. Kids in detention when the Coalition left office in 2007 - ZERO, NONE, NADA, ZIP. Kids in detention when Coalition regained office (i.e. on Labor's watch) - 2,000+. You can play childish games with words all you like, but at the end of the day the truth will remain: Labor locked up more than 2,000 kids (many who are orphans whose parents drowned at sea) while the Coalition is setting them free. By the way, no one invited those people or their kids here and there's nothing preventing them from going home. Those families are free to return home any time they wish. So enough of your faux, politically biased outrage. Time for you to grow a brain and use it.

Kids in detention in 2007 were ZERO, NONE, NADA, ZIP were they .......... how many kids were being bombed, killed or raped in war torn countries because they had no where to go?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 7^th, 2016 at 5:43am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:46pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:00pm: It's about as far-fetched as it gets, even for an nice person like you. no it's not. All you've done is limit the destination countries by one. You stop them coming here, they go there, you haven't stopped any drownings, just moved it along. So then what of the 12,000 genuine refugees that Tony Abbott organised to come here before being deposed?

what about them? You were talking about boat people, what do they have to do with boat people?

John Smith wrote on Feb 7^th, 2016 at 7:37am:

double plus good wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:54pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:52pm: double plus good wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:50pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:46pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:00pm: It's about as far-fetched as it gets, even for an nice person like you. no it's not. All you've done is limit the destination countries by one. You stop them coming here, they go there, you haven't stopped any drownings, just moved it along. Not in Australian waters, That's all that matter to me. that's because you're a dirt bag. And you are a maggot wriggling  around at the bottom of a  rotten garbage bin. I don't sit up thinking about what happens 1,000's of miles away. I'll leave that to retards like you. and yet you're the one who continually brings up what the Muslims are doing in Paris  :D :D :D :D

Sparky doesnt get the sharpest stanley knife. In fact, his boss always gives him the wooden practice one as Sparky still fails to understand how to use it.  Instead, the just have sparky chew through the boxes.  The poor sod.

stunspore wrote on Feb 7^th, 2016 at 7:21am:

Hmmm... it can be a win-win situation for andrews except for the hardlline lib supporters. Win if Turnbull says "no" - winning on the compassion side. Win if Turnbull says "yes" - winning on the compassion side.  Very little at stakes since generally Andrews/lab won't lose many swinging voters over this and they were never going to win the diehard lib supporters - they will complain and whine though. If the Vic opposition put too much of a fight/sound, then they might put off swinging voters since Victoria generally is more rational/progressive than NSW, which is what most forum posters are from, I suspect.

I agree with most of your points Stun, except the term "Vic Opposition"    The only time we see a reply from what's left of them is to carp on about the time taken to fix things their pathetic one term government created.   I have only seen three of them in the public arena since they were booted out.

Vic wrote on Feb 7^th, 2016 at 7:42am:

I have only seen three of them in the public arena since they were booted out.

sounds to me like you have the ideal liberal party in Victoria  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Vic wrote on Feb 7^th, 2016 at 7:42am:

stunspore wrote on Feb 7th, 2016 at 7:21am: Hmmm... it can be a win-win situation for andrews except for the hardlline lib supporters. Win if Turnbull says "no" - winning on the compassion side. Win if Turnbull says "yes" - winning on the compassion side.  Very little at stakes since generally Andrews/lab won't lose many swinging voters over this and they were never going to win the diehard lib supporters - they will complain and whine though. If the Vic opposition put too much of a fight/sound, then they might put off swinging voters since Victoria generally is more rational/progressive than NSW, which is what most forum posters are from, I suspect. I agree with most of your points Stun, except the term "Vic Opposition"    The only time we see a reply from what's left of them is to carp on about the time taken to fix things their pathetic one term government created.   I have only seen three of them in the public arena since they were booted out.

Yes, the shoebox king is definitely a weakling opposition.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 7^th, 2016 at 7:08am:

Labor voter wrote on Feb 7th, 2016 at 6:49am: Great move by Andrews. He is doing something that the liberals are good at. WEDGE POLITICS and the federal Liberals government and their supporters  don't know how to handle it. Has the Victoria opposition come out and say that they will or won't support the plan The Victoria opposition said it was little more than a stunt and that there are more important things to focus on, like Labor's deficit, the colossal waste of money cancelling a billion-dollar project and other problems affecting Victorians. The Victoria opposition is right on all points.

So is this a stunt as well

Premier Mike Baird supports Daniel Andrews' calls for Malcolm Turnbull to let asylum seeker children stay

Read more: smh.com.au/nsw/premier-mike-baird-and-victorian-premier-daniel-andrews-tell-malcolm-turnbull-they-will-take-asylum-seekers-20160206-gmnhxt.html#ixzz3zQX6tX8x


Wedge Politics and I love it

About time the liberal party got some of it own medicine back

Labor voter wrote on Feb 7^th, 2016 at 7:54am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 7th, 2016 at 7:08am: Labor voter wrote on Feb 7th, 2016 at 6:49am: Great move by Andrews. He is doing something that the liberals are good at. WEDGE POLITICS and the federal Liberals government and their supporters  don't know how to handle it. Has the Victoria opposition come out and say that they will or won't support the plan The Victoria opposition said it was little more than a stunt and that there are more important things to focus on, like Labor's deficit, the colossal waste of money cancelling a billion-dollar project and other problems affecting Victorians. The Victoria opposition is right on all points. So is this a stunt as well Premier Mike Baird supports Daniel Andrews' calls for Malcolm Turnbull to let asylum seeker children stay Read more: smh.com.au/nsw/premier-mike-baird-and-victorian-premier-daniel-andrews-tell-malcolm-turnbull-they-will-take-asylum-seekers-20160206-gmnhxt.html#ixzz3zQX6tX8x Wedge Politics and I love it About time the liberal party got some of it own medicine back

Good to see the moderates in the lib party take a stand.  Shame turnbull is such a coward.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 7^th, 2016 at 7:57am:

Shame turnbull is such a coward.

Turnbull has sold his soul to the devil for the top job

John Smith wrote on Feb 7^th, 2016 at 7:58am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 7th, 2016 at 7:57am: Shame turnbull is such a coward. Turnbull has sold his soul to the devil for the top job

A modern day pontius pilate.

John Smith wrote on Feb 7^th, 2016 at 7:40am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 7th, 2016 at 5:42am: John Smith wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:41pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:02pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 5:51pm: Armpit, do you get a kick out of seeing children suffer? No, which is why I support the party that is taking kids out of detention. . you can pretend all you like, you called for the kids to be sent into detention you scum. You even called Andrews a more on for saying they should remain.  One day, if something happens to you and your wife and your kids have to depend on strangers, how do you want your kids treated? Or do you agree the strangers should put their ideology ahead of your kids safety? Actually, YOU did by supporting the ALP and Greens to keep Labor's appalling policy going. Kids in detention when the Coalition left office in 2007 - ZERO, NONE, NADA, ZIP. Kids in detention when Coalition regained office (i.e. on Labor's watch) - 2,000+. You can play childish games with words all you like, but at the end of the day the truth will remain: Labor locked up more than 2,000 kids (many who are orphans whose parents drowned at sea) while the Coalition is setting them free. By the way, no one invited those people or their kids here and there's nothing preventing them from going home. Those families are free to return home any time they wish. So enough of your faux, politically biased outrage. Time for you to grow a brain and use it. Kids in detention in 2007 were ZERO, NONE, NADA, ZIP were they .......... how many kids were being bombed, killed or raped in war torn countries because they had no where to go?

Gawd, you're really grasping at them straws now!  ;D ;D ;D

it's not grasping at straws, it's reality. Most asylum seekers are genuine. They  are fleeing persecution. You stop them leaving and you are just as responsible for what happens to them as the person who is shooting at them.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 7^th, 2016 at 5:46am:

stunspore wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 9:04pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:27pm: stunspore wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:24pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:12pm: stunspore wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:07pm: Like i said in the other forum topic thread... libs won't be happy with the higher moral stance exhibited by a lab.  I don't believe Andrews is taking the moral high ground. He isn't. His way will just encourage people smugglers to have another go at sending boatloads of country-shoppers this way. They don't care how many survive the trip. They've been paid already. No, the moral high ground belongs to this government in stopping the boats, which has stopped the drownings and stopped the trauma that was experienced by our RAN & Customs personnel who had to pull the dead bodies from the ocean. Moral - based on quick google search - principles of right and wrong.  Many perspectives of right and wrong here.  Is Andrews right to want to immediately protect these refugees/seekers?  From those people's perspective - yes.  From lib perspective no - because it undermines their policy. Is it right that wants to prevent "more deaths"? Yes it is.  If you want to truly stop them landing onto our shores, you would have to make the borders a military zone and shoot all illegal boats.  Eventually they would stop coming.  Would that be moral if shooting a few boats down will stop zillions in the future?  Sounds like a sound lib policy in the making. Sort of like chinese tactic when hitting pedestrians.  Small fine if killed them, but if they survive, then long and expensive medical bills... which is why you hear reports of cars deliberately reversing back their poor victims. Perhaps armchair is thinking long term - the "short-term" suffering and pain of returning those people and continuous detentions vs. future boats. What's interesting to me though, is that as libs are after a new slave caste (low paid, if paid at all), why not let these refugees in then.  You know, since libs like Swag are "sick" of being "progressive tax" slaves.  Here's a great chance to kill off high paying low skilled workers and their unions by putting in people desperate to do anything.  And these people might even vote for libs to thank them for letting them into the country.  Pretty much win-win here. Oh wait - I forgot - there are xenophobic elements in the lib party.  Must appease them...or they will abandon ship.  Plenty of famous ex-libs already - Slipper, Palmer....hmm fantastic role models? A number of attackers involved in the Paris massacre had been masquerading as refugees. They managed to get into Paris because of Europe's lax border controls and even more lax politicians who decided to just open the flood gates without any checks or controls on who they let in. Since then, there's been carnage. Choosing who to let in or not let in to our country isn't xenophobia. It's the first responsibility of any government and just plain common sense. Plenty of politicians (libs) wrecking the country faster than any terrorist. I thought that was what security checks are for. I wouldn't think most of the children/babies going to be terrorists... I would think most people have a stance on this already on this thread.  What's more interesting is how the swinging voters will decide.  It's very difficult to do those security checks when those people were encouraged during Labor's reign of terror to throw their passports into the sea to make it nigh on impossible for the weak-kneed Labor government to reject them.

to throw their passports into the sea

You have been shown a number of times that this was a lie and that the vast majority of refugee claimants came to Australia with a substantial amount of identification.

Interesting to consider now that NSW premier is supporting Vic on this, I wonder what the effects will be - federally and state.

Sometimes state politics need to differentiate themselves from federal.  That's what happen in the last vic elections.  Was clever to constantly promote Abbott's face as a lab campaign.

Now to observe the lib supporters going hypocrite overtime.  What they will say about the NSW premier will be exact reverse to Vic Premier.

It seems the ACT's Chief Minister also wants to get in on the act

ACT Chief Minister Andrew Barr has used social media to indicate he would resettle asylum seeker children and their families in Canberra, rather than see them returned to Nauru.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-07/andrew-barr-offers-help-nauru-asylum-seekers-act/7146600

Dnarever wrote on Feb 7^th, 2016 at 9:03am:

to throw their passports into the sea You have been shown a number of times that this was a lie and that the vast majority of refugee claimants came to Australia with a substantial amount of identification.

Well, you have been lied to by whoever was showing you that.



Senator Cash asked a supplementary budget Estimates hearing question on October 15 last year [ ie 2012) about how many IMAs flew in to Indonesia but then arrived by boat to Australia passport-less (therefore assuming they must have destroyed it in between). This data comes entirely from entry interviews with asylum seekers, meaning it only represents those IMAs that willingly admit they flew in to Indonesia. In 2011-2012, 87% (1673 people) of those that flew in to Indonesia arrived in Australia undocumented. Between June 30, 2012 and October 31, 2012 (the most recent time period available), 78% (1551 people) were undocumented.