Labor factional bosses and union leaders — rather than rank and file ALP members — are likely to choose the candidate for the prestigious Victorian seat of Wills, once held by former prime minister Bob Hawke.

Key points:

The preselection process for Wills began on Sunday
Peter Khalil likely to be preselected amid influence of union and factional bosses
Calls for local party members to have a greater say in selecting MPs
This is despite calls across the country for local party members to have a greater say in selecting members of parliament.

Labor leader Bill Shorten, who has been bedevilled by poor polls, has refused to intervene in the process, even though he has previously said the party desperately needs greater transparency.

The seat in Melbourne's northern suburbs has the largest Labor membership of any Victorian seat, but is now under threat from the Greens, who hold the neighbouring seat of Melbourne.

The two-step preselection process began on Sunday and will finish on Wednesday.

Critics within the party have pointed to the Wills preselection process — triggered by the impending retirement of long-term MP Kelvin Thomson — as emblematic of the way factional powerbrokers trade influence and votes to install their acolytes while ignoring the party's members.

In the early stages of the preselection battle, late last year, the frontrunner was long-time local numbers man Mehmet Tillem, a former Federal senator who has developed a strong network of local branches loyal to him, and is backed by party heavyweight and factional player Senator Stephen Conroy.

The prospect of Mr Tillem succeeding Mr Thomson was greeted with horror by many in the party, who believed that the election of a figure so closely associated with cynical Labor machine politics would send voters in the southern half of the electorate fleeing to the Greens.

more :

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-01/factional-union-bosses-likely-to-decide-outcome-of-wills-vote/7130432

Pro labor posters all quiet on labor factions dumping on you, the grassroot members.

Gee, being such pussies may be the reason you get walked all over.

Thoughts?

Will the greens stop killing trees please.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 7:01am:

Will the greens stop killing trees please.

Deflection ... must be because labor grassroot like being treated like dog faecal matter created from the consumption of a plate of chum.

____ wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 7:07am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 7:01am: Will the greens stop killing trees please. Deflection ... must be because labor grassroot like being treated like dog faecal matter created from the consumption of a plate of chum.

But why do greens enjoy killing trees?

The ALP here in QLD are looking after their base support - they are repealing the VLAD laws.

That'll cement the bikies votes

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 7:31am:

____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 7:07am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 7:01am: Will the greens stop killing trees please. Deflection ... must be because labor grassroot like being treated like dog faecal matter created from the consumption of a plate of chum. But why do greens enjoy killing trees?

Because it's better than killing off species, including humanity ... as labor is working towards.
Now finished with the trolling?

Perhaps you could explain why extremely nice people (going on the ones I interact with in the non cyber realm), who are Labor's grassroot, accept this treatment.

Do alp grassrooters realise that their silence and acceptance of this behaviour is a major part of the problem?

____ wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 7:45am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 7:31am: ____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 7:07am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 7:01am: Will the greens stop killing trees please. Deflection ... must be because labor grassroot like being treated like dog faecal matter created from the consumption of a plate of chum. But why do greens enjoy killing trees? Because it's better than killing off species, including humanity ... as labor is working towards. Now finished with the trolling? Perhaps you could explain why extremely nice people (going on the ones I interact with in the non cyber realm), who are Labor's grassroot, accept this treatment. Do alp grassrooters realise that their silence and acceptance of this behaviour is a major part of the problem?

Why did the greens grassrooters (including the actual ones with a sexual fetish) accept the destruction of climate change policy in this country?

Alevine is a one trick troll, and so is a lost cause.

How about other alp pro posters. Do you people understand that every new factional puppet promoted, is another nail in the ALP's coffin?

____ wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 8:08am:

Alevine is a one trick troll, and so is a lost cause. How about other alp pro posters. Do you people understand that every new factional puppet promoted, is another nail in the ALP's coffin?

You haven't answered.  Have you contacted your greens reps and denounced their climate change policy destruction?

Labor appeal to the cry baby narrative....the self pity of the mediocre who refuses to pull himself up by the bootstrap.

Greens appeal to the overly emotional narrative....the fake moral outrage and whirring emotional turmoil that goes on in the mind of someone with attention deficit disorder. they appeal to the twittersphere....people who can only maintain focus for 15 seconds and wont read anything more then a 20 word tweet.


Both are coming from a position of low consciousness.
Both do not recognise the importance of "contribution" as the highest level of human achievement.

Both greens and labor come from a "scarcity" mentality.
Labor believe that there is a scarcity of success and that all successful people are trying to step on someones head.
greens believe there is a scarcity of resources and that everyone else (ie except themselves) should live in a mud hut and stop using up the resources the greens want to selfishly hog.

Both parties are in a "surviving, not thriving' mindset.

of course, they will do well at the ballot box as a large % of the population also have a mental dysfunction and so will chose to "vibe" with their negative and neurotic narrative . ;) ;)

Factions will destroy Labor from the inside


Labor's latest crop of festering messes can be traced back to its factional system, which rewards patronage and shady deals.

http://www.theage.com.au/comment/andrews-must-reach-past-factions-to-rescue-labors-fortunes-20151110-gkvvhd.html

Labor's grassroot can no longer put on the act of passive victims. You people are part of the problem, and is why your party is on it's way out.

Where is the grassroot outrage. All there is so far is deflection from a labor supporter slash troll.

____ wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 8:08am:

Alevine is a one trick troll, and so is a lost cause. How about other alp pro posters. Do you people understand that every new factional puppet promoted, is another nail in the ALP's coffin?

I never understand where these people come from...

is there a stepping ladder to getting pre selected??..

I understand where Bill shortarse came from....and Bob Hawke.. ::) ::)..

  how do they select their reps..

.apart from the pre requisite union membership.... what other must haves do they need...

lets face it they havent made the right choice for a leader.....since Bob Hawke...... ;D ;D ;D ;D

so who does in fact preselect the winners?..

____ wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 8:30am:

Factions will destroy Labor from the inside Labor's latest crop of festering messes can be traced back to its factional system, which rewards patronage and shady deals. http://www.theage.com.au/comment/andrews-must-reach-past-factions-to-rescue-labors-fortunes-20151110-gkvvhd.html Labor's grassroot can no longer put on the act of passive victims. You people are part of the problem, and is why your party is on it's way out. Where is the grassroot outrage. All there is so far is deflection from a labor supporter slash troll.

Are the greens grassroots happy that their party has gone away from its policies?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 7:44am:

The ALP here in QLD are looking after their base support - they are repealing the VLAD laws. That'll cement the bikies votes

are they? link please

Alevine, I understand you as a labor supporter, don't like discussing dirty deals within labor that decreases grassroot power within the party.

If you are not going to post on topic, how about starting another thread and then trolling that one and not this one.

Consider your trolling here is a bad look for labor supporters.

____ wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 8:57am:

Alevine, I understand you as a labor supporter, don't like discussing dirty deals within labor that decreases grassroot power within the party. If you are not going to post on topic, how about starting another thread and then trolling that one and not this one. Consider your trolling here is a bad look for labor supporters.

Not a labor supporter. Ex greens actually.   

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 9:05am:

____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 8:57am: Alevine, I understand you as a labor supporter, don't like discussing dirty deals within labor that decreases grassroot power within the party. If you are not going to post on topic, how about starting another thread and then trolling that one and not this one. Consider your trolling here is a bad look for labor supporters. Not a labor supporter. Ex greens actually.

Seems nearly everyones 'not a labor supporter' now days.

____ wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 9:16am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:05am: ____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 8:57am: Alevine, I understand you as a labor supporter, don't like discussing dirty deals within labor that decreases grassroot power within the party. If you are not going to post on topic, how about starting another thread and then trolling that one and not this one. Consider your trolling here is a bad look for labor supporters. Not a labor supporter. Ex greens actually.    Seems nearly everyones 'not a labor supporter' now days.

Far more ex greens ever since the destruction of climate change policy in australia, their incomprehensible asylum seeker policies, and their love of terrorists.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 9:28am:

____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:16am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:05am: ____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 8:57am: Alevine, I understand you as a labor supporter, don't like discussing dirty deals within labor that decreases grassroot power within the party. If you are not going to post on topic, how about starting another thread and then trolling that one and not this one. Consider your trolling here is a bad look for labor supporters. Not a labor supporter. Ex greens actually.    Seems nearly everyones 'not a labor supporter' now days. Far more ex greens ever since the destruction of climate change policy in australia, their incomprehensible asylum seeker policies, and their love of terrorists.

Greens 25-30% increase in current polling, from the base of  the last federal election result, proves you are misguided.

Wonder what percentage of this growth in Greens' increase are ex labor grassrooters, sick of the alp's factional deals ?

____ wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 9:37am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:28am: ____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:16am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:05am: ____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 8:57am: Alevine, I understand you as a labor supporter, don't like discussing dirty deals within labor that decreases grassroot power within the party. If you are not going to post on topic, how about starting another thread and then trolling that one and not this one. Consider your trolling here is a bad look for labor supporters. Not a labor supporter. Ex greens actually.    Seems nearly everyones 'not a labor supporter' now days. Far more ex greens ever since the destruction of climate change policy in australia, their incomprehensible asylum seeker policies, and their love of terrorists. Greens 25-30% increase in current polling, from the base of  the last federal election result, proves you are misguided. Wonder what percentage of this growth in Greens' increase are ex labor grassrooters, sick of the alp's factional deals ?

One time voters.   While the greens continue to support terrorism theyll never see their actual base increase to major league.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 9:43am:

____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:37am: ____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:16am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:28am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:05am: ____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 8:57am: Alevine, I understand you as a labor supporter, don't like discussing dirty deals within labor that decreases grassroot power within the party. If you are not going to post on topic, how about starting another thread and then trolling that one and not this one. Consider your trolling here is a bad look for labor supporters. Not a labor supporter. Ex greens actually.    Seems nearly everyones 'not a labor supporter' now days. Far more ex greens ever since the destruction of climate change policy in australia, their incomprehensible asylum seeker policies, and their love of terrorists. Greens 25-30% increase in current polling, from the base of  the last federal election result, proves you are misguided. Wonder what percentage of this growth in Greens' increase are ex labor grassrooters, sick of the alp's factional deals ? One time voters.   While the greens continue to support terrorism theyll never see their actual base increase to major league.

A. Greens base is growing and Greens has the potential of being the main political force, not only in Oz, globally.

B. Claims by a proven internet troll, concerning fictional links with terrorism, will not influence this path the Greens are on.

____ wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 9:16am:

Seems nearly everyones 'not a labor supporter' now days.

it's not their fault that you equate anyone not agreeing with you as a labor supporter.

____ wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 9:50am:

nd Greens has the potential of being the main political force, not only in Oz, globally

so did PUP ... and look how that turned out  :D :D :D :D

Yet it is their fault for Labor's factional machinations.

If they are as silent as they are in this thread, then it's no wonder the factions trample over them continually.



Another point not touched on until now.

Why is Shorten backflipping and now backing factional deals over transparency.

John Smith wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 10:04am:

____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:50am: nd Greens has the potential of being the main political force, not only in Oz, globally so did PUP ... and look how that turned out  :D :D :D :D

How many countries are there PUP parties engaged in politics?

____ wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 9:50am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:43am: ____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:37am: ____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:16am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:28am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:05am: ____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 8:57am: Alevine, I understand you as a labor supporter, don't like discussing dirty deals within labor that decreases grassroot power within the party. If you are not going to post on topic, how about starting another thread and then trolling that one and not this one. Consider your trolling here is a bad look for labor supporters. Not a labor supporter. Ex greens actually.    Seems nearly everyones 'not a labor supporter' now days. Far more ex greens ever since the destruction of climate change policy in australia, their incomprehensible asylum seeker policies, and their love of terrorists. Greens 25-30% increase in current polling, from the base of  the last federal election result, proves you are misguided. Wonder what percentage of this growth in Greens' increase are ex labor grassrooters, sick of the alp's factional deals ? One time voters.   While the greens continue to support terrorism theyll never see their actual base increase to major league. A. Greens base is growing and Greens has the potential of being the main political force, not only in Oz, globally. B. Claims by a proven internet troll, concerning fictional links with terrorism, will not influence this path the Greens are on.

The links are blatantly obvious.  You yourself support hamas.

____ wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 10:09am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 10:04am: ____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:50am: nd Greens has the potential of being the main political force, not only in Oz, globally so did PUP ... and look how that turned out  :D :D :D :D How many countries are there PUP parties engaged in politics?

How are the greens doing in the
Uk
France
Usa
Canada
Germany
India
Indonesia

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 10:12am:

____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:50am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:43am: ____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:37am: ____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:16am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:28am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:05am: ____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 8:57am: Alevine, I understand you as a labor supporter, don't like discussing dirty deals within labor that decreases grassroot power within the party. If you are not going to post on topic, how about starting another thread and then trolling that one and not this one. Consider your trolling here is a bad look for labor supporters. Not a labor supporter. Ex greens actually.    Seems nearly everyones 'not a labor supporter' now days. Far more ex greens ever since the destruction of climate change policy in australia, their incomprehensible asylum seeker policies, and their love of terrorists. Greens 25-30% increase in current polling, from the base of  the last federal election result, proves you are misguided. Wonder what percentage of this growth in Greens' increase are ex labor grassrooters, sick of the alp's factional deals ? One time voters.   While the greens continue to support terrorism theyll never see their actual base increase to major league. A. Greens base is growing and Greens has the potential of being the main political force, not only in Oz, globally. B. Claims by a proven internet troll, concerning fictional links with terrorism, will not influence this path the Greens are on. The links are blatantly obvious.  You yourself support hamas.

I support a two state solution. If this includes Hamas, so be it.

Equating my personal opinion to where the Greens stand on Israel's apartheid system, shows how desperate you are to try and shift discussions away from the factional deals in Labor that are against the wishes of grassrooters of the party.

Attempted shifting attention away from the hypocrisy of Bill Shorten, on his flip flopping concerning transparency.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 10:14am:

____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 10:09am: John Smith wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 10:04am: ____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:50am: nd Greens has the potential of being the main political force, not only in Oz, globally so did PUP ... and look how that turned out  :D :D :D :D How many countries are there PUP parties engaged in politics? How are the greens doing in the Uk France Usa Canada Germany India Indonesia

Very well thank you.
Glad you understand the concept of global, that it's more than 8 countries.

____ wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 10:09am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 10:04am: ____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:50am: nd Greens has the potential of being the main political force, not only in Oz, globally so did PUP ... and look how that turned out  :D :D :D :D How many countries are there PUP parties engaged in politics?

we were talking about 'POTENTIAL'

John Smith wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 10:20am:

____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 10:09am: John Smith wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 10:04am: ____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:50am: nd Greens has the potential of being the main political force, not only in Oz, globally so did PUP ... and look how that turned out  :D :D :D :D How many countries are there PUP parties engaged in politics? we were talking about 'POTENTIAL'

You think Palmer's political plan is global.
Any evidence to back your opinion?

____ wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 10:18am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 10:12am: ____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:50am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:43am: ____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:37am: ____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:16am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:28am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:05am: ____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 8:57am: Alevine, I understand you as a labor supporter, don't like discussing dirty deals within labor that decreases grassroot power within the party. If you are not going to post on topic, how about starting another thread and then trolling that one and not this one. Consider your trolling here is a bad look for labor supporters. Not a labor supporter. Ex greens actually.    Seems nearly everyones 'not a labor supporter' now days. Far more ex greens ever since the destruction of climate change policy in australia, their incomprehensible asylum seeker policies, and their love of terrorists. Greens 25-30% increase in current polling, from the base of  the last federal election result, proves you are misguided. Wonder what percentage of this growth in Greens' increase are ex labor grassrooters, sick of the alp's factional deals ? One time voters.   While the greens continue to support terrorism theyll never see their actual base increase to major league. A. Greens base is growing and Greens has the potential of being the main political force, not only in Oz, globally. B. Claims by a proven internet troll, concerning fictional links with terrorism, will not influence this path the Greens are on. The links are blatantly obvious.  You yourself support hamas. I support a two state solution. If this includes Hamas, so be it. Equating my personal opinion to where the Greens stand on Israel's apartheid system, shows how desperate you are to try and shift discussions away from the factional deals in Labor that are against the wishes of grassrooters of the party. Attempted shifting attention away from the hypocrisy of Bill Shorten, on his flip flopping concerning transparency.

If the greens are going to be the next force as you think then who cares about labor? Its much more important to understand why people who blurt out such nonsense as israels apartheid system, without knowing what they are talking about, are joining up with the greens party.  It is also concerning you support terrorism.

____ wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 10:20am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 10:14am: ____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 10:09am: John Smith wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 10:04am: ____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:50am: nd Greens has the potential of being the main political force, not only in Oz, globally so did PUP ... and look how that turned out  :D :D :D :D How many countries are there PUP parties engaged in politics? How are the greens doing in the Uk France Usa Canada Germany India Indonesia Very well thank you. Glad you understand the concept of global, that it's more than 8 countries.

In which countries are the Greens a force?

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 10:26am:

____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 10:18am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 10:12am: ____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:50am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:43am: ____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:37am: ____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:16am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:28am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:05am: ____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 8:57am: Alevine, I understand you as a labor supporter, don't like discussing dirty deals within labor that decreases grassroot power within the party. If you are not going to post on topic, how about starting another thread and then trolling that one and not this one. Consider your trolling here is a bad look for labor supporters. Not a labor supporter. Ex greens actually.    Seems nearly everyones 'not a labor supporter' now days. Far more ex greens ever since the destruction of climate change policy in australia, their incomprehensible asylum seeker policies, and their love of terrorists. Greens 25-30% increase in current polling, from the base of  the last federal election result, proves you are misguided. Wonder what percentage of this growth in Greens' increase are ex labor grassrooters, sick of the alp's factional deals ? One time voters.   While the greens continue to support terrorism theyll never see their actual base increase to major league. A. Greens base is growing and Greens has the potential of being the main political force, not only in Oz, globally. B. Claims by a proven internet troll, concerning fictional links with terrorism, will not influence this path the Greens are on. The links are blatantly obvious.  You yourself support hamas. I support a two state solution. If this includes Hamas, so be it. Equating my personal opinion to where the Greens stand on Israel's apartheid system, shows how desperate you are to try and shift discussions away from the factional deals in Labor that are against the wishes of grassrooters of the party. Attempted shifting attention away from the hypocrisy of Bill Shorten, on his flip flopping concerning transparency. If the greens are going to be the next force as you think then who cares about labor? Its much more important to understand why people who blurt out such nonsense as israels apartheid system, without knowing what they are talking about, are joining up with the greens party.  It is also concerning you support terrorism.

You heard it here ... anyone who supports a two state solution supports terrorism.



Bill Shorten clears the way for Labor shift on recognition of Palestine

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/bill-shorten-clears-the-way-for-labor-shift-on-recognition-of-palestine-20150428-1mv5vn.html

NSW Right power broker Tony Burke will lead the push for a historic shift in Labor's position on the recognition of a Palestinian state at the party's July national conference, under an agreement hammered out with Bill Shorten.

Mr Burke will propose a resolution at conference expected to mirror that put at NSW Labor conference last July. It stated if no progress was made towards a two-state solution "and Israel continues to build and expand settlements, a future Labor government will consult like-minded nations towards recognition of the Palestinian state".

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 10:26am:

____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 10:20am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 10:14am: ____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 10:09am: John Smith wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 10:04am: ____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:50am: nd Greens has the potential of being the main political force, not only in Oz, globally so did PUP ... and look how that turned out  :D :D :D :D How many countries are there PUP parties engaged in politics? How are the greens doing in the Uk France Usa Canada Germany India Indonesia Very well thank you. Glad you understand the concept of global, that it's more than 8 countries. In which countries are the Greens a force?

Google it ... and start posting on topic.

____ wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 10:41am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 10:26am: ____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 10:18am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 10:12am: ____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:50am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:43am: ____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:37am: ____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:16am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:28am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:05am: ____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 8:57am: Alevine, I understand you as a labor supporter, don't like discussing dirty deals within labor that decreases grassroot power within the party. If you are not going to post on topic, how about starting another thread and then trolling that one and not this one. Consider your trolling here is a bad look for labor supporters. Not a labor supporter. Ex greens actually.    Seems nearly everyones 'not a labor supporter' now days. Far more ex greens ever since the destruction of climate change policy in australia, their incomprehensible asylum seeker policies, and their love of terrorists. Greens 25-30% increase in current polling, from the base of  the last federal election result, proves you are misguided. Wonder what percentage of this growth in Greens' increase are ex labor grassrooters, sick of the alp's factional deals ? One time voters.   While the greens continue to support terrorism theyll never see their actual base increase to major league. A. Greens base is growing and Greens has the potential of being the main political force, not only in Oz, globally. B. Claims by a proven internet troll, concerning fictional links with terrorism, will not influence this path the Greens are on. The links are blatantly obvious.  You yourself support hamas. I support a two state solution. If this includes Hamas, so be it. Equating my personal opinion to where the Greens stand on Israel's apartheid system, shows how desperate you are to try and shift discussions away from the factional deals in Labor that are against the wishes of grassrooters of the party. Attempted shifting attention away from the hypocrisy of Bill Shorten, on his flip flopping concerning transparency. If the greens are going to be the next force as you think then who cares about labor? Its much more important to understand why people who blurt out such nonsense as israels apartheid system, without knowing what they are talking about, are joining up with the greens party.  It is also concerning you support terrorism. You heard it here ... anyone who supports a two state solution supports terrorism. Bill Shorten clears the way for Labor shift on recognition of Palestine http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/bill-shorten-clears-the-way-for-labor-shift-on-recognition-of-palestine-20150428-1mv5vn.html NSW Right power broker Tony Burke will lead the push for a historic shift in Labor's position on the recognition of a Palestinian state at the party's July national conference, under an agreement hammered out with Bill Shorten. Mr Burke will propose a resolution at conference expected to mirror that put at NSW Labor conference last July. It stated if no progress was made towards a two-state solution "and Israel continues to build and expand settlements, a future Labor government will consult like-minded nations towards recognition of the Palestinian state".

You openly support hamas actions. Different to 2 stste solution. But keep hiding, its good that you feel ashamed of your support for terrorism.

____ wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 10:44am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 10:26am: ____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 10:20am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 10:14am: ____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 10:09am: John Smith wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 10:04am: ____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:50am: nd Greens has the potential of being the main political force, not only in Oz, globally so did PUP ... and look how that turned out  :D :D :D :D How many countries are there PUP parties engaged in politics? How are the greens doing in the Uk France Usa Canada Germany India Indonesia Very well thank you. Glad you understand the concept of global, that it's more than 8 countries. In which countries are the Greens a force? Google it ... and start posting on topic.

I tried, i just got a lot of laughjng emoticons returned by google.

Perhaps you shoild dtop talking rubbish.

Perhaps you could post on topic.

Have you posted yet on labor factions screwing over the grassroot?

____ wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 5:48pm:

Perhaps you could post on topic. Have you posted yet on labor factions screwing over the grassroot?

I already explained, if you think the greens will become a major force in australia, like everywhere else in the world apparently,  then forget labor and concentrate on why the greens are climate terrorists who support violent terrorism.

Threads on the ALP factions screwing over their grassrooters.
You still haven't posted on topic.
And we both know you will avoid it since you secretly support labor and it's hypocrisy.

____ wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 6:10pm:

Threads on the ALP factions screwing over their grassrooters. You still haven't posted on topic. And we both know you will avoid it since you secretly support labor and it's hypocrisy.

I'm not secret about what I stand for, I'm very open about it. I don't support Labor. I don't support the Greens. I don't support the Liberals.

And again I repeat, why are you concentrating so much on Labor all the time? You'd be better served to concentrate on why the party you adore supports terrorists and are climate terrorists themselves .That's actually relevant, because it stops your party from increasing its vote into major status.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 5:31pm:

____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 10:41am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 10:26am: ____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 10:18am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 10:12am: ____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:50am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:43am: ____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:37am: ____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:16am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:28am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:05am: ____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 8:57am: Alevine, I understand you as a labor supporter, don't like discussing dirty deals within labor that decreases grassroot power within the party. If you are not going to post on topic, how about starting another thread and then trolling that one and not this one. Consider your trolling here is a bad look for labor supporters. Not a labor supporter. Ex greens actually.    Seems nearly everyones 'not a labor supporter' now days. Far more ex greens ever since the destruction of climate change policy in australia, their incomprehensible asylum seeker policies, and their love of terrorists. Greens 25-30% increase in current polling, from the base of  the last federal election result, proves you are misguided. Wonder what percentage of this growth in Greens' increase are ex labor grassrooters, sick of the alp's factional deals ? One time voters.   While the greens continue to support terrorism theyll never see their actual base increase to major league. A. Greens base is growing and Greens has the potential of being the main political force, not only in Oz, globally. B. Claims by a proven internet troll, concerning fictional links with terrorism, will not influence this path the Greens are on. The links are blatantly obvious.  You yourself support hamas. I support a two state solution. If this includes Hamas, so be it. Equating my personal opinion to where the Greens stand on Israel's apartheid system, shows how desperate you are to try and shift discussions away from the factional deals in Labor that are against the wishes of grassrooters of the party. Attempted shifting attention away from the hypocrisy of Bill Shorten, on his flip flopping concerning transparency. If the greens are going to be the next force as you think then who cares about labor? Its much more important to understand why people who blurt out such nonsense as israels apartheid system, without knowing what they are talking about, are joining up with the greens party.  It is also concerning you support terrorism. You heard it here ... anyone who supports a two state solution supports terrorism. Bill Shorten clears the way for Labor shift on recognition of Palestine http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/bill-shorten-clears-the-way-for-labor-shift-on-recognition-of-palestine-20150428-1mv5vn.html NSW Right power broker Tony Burke will lead the push for a historic shift in Labor's position on the recognition of a Palestinian state at the party's July national conference, under an agreement hammered out with Bill Shorten. Mr Burke will propose a resolution at conference expected to mirror that put at NSW Labor conference last July. It stated if no progress was made towards a two-state solution "and Israel continues to build and expand settlements, a future Labor government will consult like-minded nations towards recognition of the Palestinian state". You openly support hamas actions. Different to 2 stste solution. But keep hiding, its good that you feel ashamed of your support for terrorism.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/11599932/New-Israeli-justice-minister-notorious-for-anti-Palestinian-rhetoric-given-bodyguard-after-Nazi-death-threats.html

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Wills preselection: Candidate asks Labor's national executive to intervene to ensure woman picked


One of the candidates vying to be Labor's pick for a federal seat in Melbourne is calling on the party's national executive to intervene and ensure a woman is preselected.

A factional deal allowed former national security adviser Peter Khalil to win the first round of voting on Tuesday for Labor's preselection in the seat of Wills, with 224 votes.

The party's Public Office Selection Committee is expected to endorse Mr Khalil today.

But local councillor Meghan Hopper, who is also running for preselection, said Labor had promised to ensure that 40 per cent of Labor seats were held by women.

She has written to the party's national executive asking it to step in.

"I'm asking the national executive to consider intervening in this situation to ensure that it's not another bloke, that we do have a woman representing this seat and that we do start meeting our affirmative action quotas in Victoria," she said.

The most likely beneficiary would be Anna-Maria Arabia, who works as an advisor to Federal Opposition Leader Bill Shorten and finished third in the preselection's first round with 142 votes.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-03/labor-executive-called-to-preselect-woman-for-federal-seat-wills/7135238

____ wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 8:08am:

Alevine is a one trick troll, and so is a lost cause. How about other alp pro posters. Do you people understand that every new factional puppet promoted, is another nail in the ALP's coffin?

How about answering Alevine’s question?

____ wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 9:37am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:28am: ____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:16am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:05am: ____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 8:57am: Alevine, I understand you as a labor supporter, don't like discussing dirty deals within labor that decreases grassroot power within the party. If you are not going to post on topic, how about starting another thread and then trolling that one and not this one. Consider your trolling here is a bad look for labor supporters. Not a labor supporter. Ex greens actually.    Seems nearly everyones 'not a labor supporter' now days. Far more ex greens ever since the destruction of climate change policy in australia, their incomprehensible asylum seeker policies, and their love of terrorists. Greens 25-30% increase in current polling, from the base of  the last federal election result, proves you are misguided. Wonder what percentage of this growth in Greens' increase are ex labor grassrooters, sick of the alp's factional deals ?

Two polls put Greens at 10%, means 7% at an actual election. Greens is a bit of a protest vote when being polled.

____ wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 6:10pm:

Threads on the ALP factions screwing over their grassrooters. You still haven't posted on topic. And we both know you will avoid it since you secretly support labor and it's hypocrisy.

I get peeved by people who continually post 'offtopic' too

____ wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2016 at 5:40am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 5:31pm: ____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 10:41am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 10:26am: ____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 10:18am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 10:12am: ____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:50am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:43am: ____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:37am: ____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:16am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:28am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:05am: ____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 8:57am: Alevine, I understand you as a labor supporter, don't like discussing dirty deals within labor that decreases grassroot power within the party. If you are not going to post on topic, how about starting another thread and then trolling that one and not this one. Consider your trolling here is a bad look for labor supporters. Not a labor supporter. Ex greens actually.    Seems nearly everyones 'not a labor supporter' now days. Far more ex greens ever since the destruction of climate change policy in australia, their incomprehensible asylum seeker policies, and their love of terrorists. Greens 25-30% increase in current polling, from the base of  the last federal election result, proves you are misguided. Wonder what percentage of this growth in Greens' increase are ex labor grassrooters, sick of the alp's factional deals ? One time voters.   While the greens continue to support terrorism theyll never see their actual base increase to major league. A. Greens base is growing and Greens has the potential of being the main political force, not only in Oz, globally. B. Claims by a proven internet troll, concerning fictional links with terrorism, will not influence this path the Greens are on. The links are blatantly obvious.  You yourself support hamas. I support a two state solution. If this includes Hamas, so be it. Equating my personal opinion to where the Greens stand on Israel's apartheid system, shows how desperate you are to try and shift discussions away from the factional deals in Labor that are against the wishes of grassrooters of the party. Attempted shifting attention away from the hypocrisy of Bill Shorten, on his flip flopping concerning transparency. If the greens are going to be the next force as you think then who cares about labor? Its much more important to understand why people who blurt out such nonsense as israels apartheid system, without knowing what they are talking about, are joining up with the greens party.  It is also concerning you support terrorism. You heard it here ... anyone who supports a two state solution supports terrorism. Bill Shorten clears the way for Labor shift on recognition of Palestine http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/bill-shorten-clears-the-way-for-labor-shift-on-recognition-of-palestine-20150428-1mv5vn.html NSW Right power broker Tony Burke will lead the push for a historic shift in Labor's position on the recognition of a Palestinian state at the party's July national conference, under an agreement hammered out with Bill Shorten. Mr Burke will propose a resolution at conference expected to mirror that put at NSW Labor conference last July. It stated if no progress was made towards a two-state solution "and Israel continues to build and expand settlements, a future Labor government will consult like-minded nations towards recognition of the Palestinian state". You openly support hamas actions. Different to 2 stste solution. But keep hiding, its good that you feel ashamed of your support for terrorism. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/11599932/New-Israeli-justice-minister-notorious-for-anti-Palestinian-rhetoric-given-bodyguard-after-Nazi-death-threats.html

Typical greens terrorist, you are.  You support Hamas and its clear objective of destroying Israel, and instead try to label a democracy as a dictatorial fascist regime. Pathetic.  Everyone knows that the only way to a solution is to rid the world of Hamas.  Get rid of Hamas and the result is the restoration of progressive politics in Israel, And a chance at peace. And yet you support them educating children to kill Jews.  How completely disturbing that you support terrorism.

The difference between me and you.  I despise this Israeli government but recognise Israel is a democracy and the only way to have people vote for a left government again is to rid the ever tiresome threat from Hamas.  Hence Hamas needs to go.  On the other hand, Hamas is no longer democratically elected and just decided to extend its own rule for their own purpose to try and fullfill their charter and get rid of Israel.  Another note: you use examples of a person with an INDIVIDUAL OPINION and denounce Israel government who's policy is NOT to get rid of the notion of a Palestine state. Yet the group who's CHARTER explicitly states destroy all Jews you call freedom fighters and openly support.

Truly pathetic.

Jovial Monk wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2016 at 7:47am:

____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 8:08am: Alevine is a one trick troll, and so is a lost cause. How about other alp pro posters. Do you people understand that every new factional puppet promoted, is another nail in the ALP's coffin? How about answering Alevine’s question?

Because he's blinded by his support of Hamas, and his parties support of terrorists.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2016 at 8:50am:

____ wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 5:40am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 5:31pm: ____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 10:41am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 10:26am: ____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 10:18am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 10:12am: ____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:50am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:43am: ____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:37am: ____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:16am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:28am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:05am: ____ wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 8:57am: Alevine, I understand you as a labor supporter, don't like discussing dirty deals within labor that decreases grassroot power within the party. If you are not going to post on topic, how about starting another thread and then trolling that one and not this one. Consider your trolling here is a bad look for labor supporters. Not a labor supporter. Ex greens actually.    Seems nearly everyones 'not a labor supporter' now days. Far more ex greens ever since the destruction of climate change policy in australia, their incomprehensible asylum seeker policies, and their love of terrorists. Greens 25-30% increase in current polling, from the base of  the last federal election result, proves you are misguided. Wonder what percentage of this growth in Greens' increase are ex labor grassrooters, sick of the alp's factional deals ? One time voters.   While the greens continue to support terrorism theyll never see their actual base increase to major league. A. Greens base is growing and Greens has the potential of being the main political force, not only in Oz, globally. B. Claims by a proven internet troll, concerning fictional links with terrorism, will not influence this path the Greens are on. The links are blatantly obvious.  You yourself support hamas. I support a two state solution. If this includes Hamas, so be it. Equating my personal opinion to where the Greens stand on Israel's apartheid system, shows how desperate you are to try and shift discussions away from the factional deals in Labor that are against the wishes of grassrooters of the party. Attempted shifting attention away from the hypocrisy of Bill Shorten, on his flip flopping concerning transparency. If the greens are going to be the next force as you think then who cares about labor? Its much more important to understand why people who blurt out such nonsense as israels apartheid system, without knowing what they are talking about, are joining up with the greens party.  It is also concerning you support terrorism. You heard it here ... anyone who supports a two state solution supports terrorism. Bill Shorten clears the way for Labor shift on recognition of Palestine http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/bill-shorten-clears-the-way-for-labor-shift-on-recognition-of-palestine-20150428-1mv5vn.html NSW Right power broker Tony Burke will lead the push for a historic shift in Labor's position on the recognition of a Palestinian state at the party's July national conference, under an agreement hammered out with Bill Shorten. Mr Burke will propose a resolution at conference expected to mirror that put at NSW Labor conference last July. It stated if no progress was made towards a two-state solution "and Israel continues to build and expand settlements, a future Labor government will consult like-minded nations towards recognition of the Palestinian state". You openly support hamas actions. Different to 2 stste solution. But keep hiding, its good that you feel ashamed of your support for terrorism. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/11599932/New-Israeli-justice-minister-notorious-for-anti-Palestinian-rhetoric-given-bodyguard-after-Nazi-death-threats.html Typical greens terrorist, you are.  You support Hamas and its clear objective of destroying Israel, and instead try to label a democracy as a dictatorial fascist regime. Pathetic.  Everyone knows that the only way to a solution is to rid the world of Hamas.  Get rid of Hamas and the result is the restoration of progressive politics in Israel, And a chance at peace. And yet you support them educating children to kill Jews.  How completely disturbing that you support terrorism. The difference between me and you.  I despise this Israeli government but recognise Israel is a democracy and the only way to have people vote for a left government again is to rid the ever tiresome threat from Hamas.  Hence Hamas needs to go.  On the other hand, Hamas is no longer democratically elected and just decided to extend its own rule for their own purpose to try and fullfill their charter and get rid of Israel.  Another note: you use examples of a person with an INDIVIDUAL OPINION and denounce Israel government who's policy is NOT to get rid of the notion of a Palestine state. Yet the group who's CHARTER explicitly states destroy all Jews you call freedom fighters and openly support. Truly pathetic.

Reported.

Labor using a process to select representative who can win in favour of those who would lose in an election is not exactly a terrible idea ?

Own your support of terrorism.