I support the message that Rosie Batty is delivering but there are darker forces behind what has been done with her.

Abbott decided that it was cheaper to buy her for a year than it was to continue the level of funding to domestic violence reduction.   Even before the Australian of the year crown, they did not need someone of her caliber speaking against them, claiming rightly that the system was broken and had failed her and her son.  So Abbott made her an offer she could not refuse.

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PM Tony Abbott with Rosie Batty.

Rosie Batty now knows first hand that the federal government is deceiving Australians about domestic violence.

The Australian Of the Year says she has been told repeatedly by both the Prime Minister and the Minister assisting him, Michaelia Cash, that there are no front line domestic violence services being cut.

But she has just returned from Mildura and seen with her own eyes that the one full-time lawyer specialising in intervention orders and family violence will finish work on June 30.

"I've been told repeatedly there are no front line services being cut. This is my first journey into the country and that tells me different."
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She has a list of many more.

In Victoria alone, 13 community legal centres will have to cut legal services. Just one, Yarra Ranges CLC, was saved from the deep cuts – the result of the local MP Tony Smith personally advocating to the Attorney-General George Brandis.

"I stood next to the federal member who represents Mildura [Andrew Broad] and I wonder what he has done to advocate for his town," she said.

These cuts are being played out all over Australia. If only Rosie Batty could take the Prime Minister with her to see what's happening in these centres.

domestic violence should be handled like this.

1 woman is victim of domestic violence.
2.woman goes and reports this to one of her alpha male friends
3 alpha male goes and delivers the "good news" to the perpetrator
4 here endeth the lesson

aquascoot wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 7:57pm:

domestic violence should be handled like this. 1 woman is victim of domestic violence. 2.woman goes and reports this to one of her alpha male friends 3 alpha male goes and delivers the "good news" to the perpetrator 4 here endeth the lesson

Straight from the horse's arse.

aquascoot wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 7:57pm:

domestic violence should be handled like this. 1 woman is victim of domestic violence. 2.woman goes and reports this to one of her alpha male friends 3 alpha male goes and delivers the "good news" to the perpetrator 4 here endeth the lesson

So I guess that leaves you out of the loop.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 7:59pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 7:57pm: domestic violence should be handled like this. 1 woman is victim of domestic violence. 2.woman goes and reports this to one of her alpha male friends 3 alpha male goes and delivers the "good news" to the perpetrator 4 here endeth the lesson Straight from the horse's arse.

its a simple fix.

i know the skyscraper full of public servants (yawn), the parliamentary committee (yawn) and a variety of other vested interests (yawn) would have to find something else to occupy their time but to be effective in reversing behaviour, the training method needs to be applied immediately and consistently. The woman can watch the  training session if she likes.  it will give her confidence that men are taking action to solve a situation and are capable of more then pinning on a white ribbon and being all girly  ;)

random wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 8:03pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 7:57pm: domestic violence should be handled like this. 1 woman is victim of domestic violence. 2.woman goes and reports this to one of her alpha male friends 3 alpha male goes and delivers the "good news" to the perpetrator 4 here endeth the lesson So I guess that leaves you out of the loop.

i boxed PCYC in my youth. (admittedly i lost everyone of my 7 fights  ;))

aquascoot wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 8:06pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 7:59pm: aquascoot wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 7:57pm: domestic violence should be handled like this. 1 woman is victim of domestic violence. 2.woman goes and reports this to one of her alpha male friends 3 alpha male goes and delivers the "good news" to the perpetrator 4 here endeth the lesson Straight from the horse's arse. its a simple fix.

Simple, indeed.

More violence is never the answer to violence, no matter how many self-help books tell you otherwise.

"simple: an ignorant, foolish, or gullible person."

aquascoot wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 7:57pm:

domestic violence should be handled like this. 1 woman is victim of domestic violence. 2.woman goes and reports this to one of her alpha male friends 3 alpha male goes and delivers the "good news" to the perpetrator 4 here endeth the lesson

Perpetrator follows trail of urine to Aquascoot's house and teaches Aquascoot Alphabelt.

Violence begets violence.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 8:09pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 8:06pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 7:59pm: aquascoot wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 7:57pm: domestic violence should be handled like this. 1 woman is victim of domestic violence. 2.woman goes and reports this to one of her alpha male friends 3 alpha male goes and delivers the "good news" to the perpetrator 4 here endeth the lesson Straight from the horse's arse. its a simple fix. Simple, indeed. More violence is never the answer to violence, no matter how many self-help books tell you otherwise. "simple: an ignorant, foolish, or gullible person."

for most people violence is unneccessary.
for a small %, being taken to the police station for a good flogging is not only neccessary but its therapeutic. the perpetrator will probably thank the burly desk sergent in the long run for helping him get his deranged and scrambled brain back under control.

for some guys , who are out of control with rage and anger, a good serving of corporal punishment , reboots the computer in their brain and they feel relieved.

to deny a perpetrator this therapy is both cruel and unusual punishment

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 8:09pm:

More violence is never the answer to violence, no matter how many self-help books tell you otherwise.

All the sooks say that.

aquascoot wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 8:15pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 8:09pm: aquascoot wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 8:06pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 7:59pm: aquascoot wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 7:57pm: domestic violence should be handled like this. 1 woman is victim of domestic violence. 2.woman goes and reports this to one of her alpha male friends 3 alpha male goes and delivers the "good news" to the perpetrator 4 here endeth the lesson Straight from the horse's arse. its a simple fix. Simple, indeed. More violence is never the answer to violence, no matter how many self-help books tell you otherwise. "simple: an ignorant, foolish, or gullible person." for most people violence is unneccessary. for a small %, being taken to the police station for a good flogging is not only neccessary but its therapeutic. the perpetrator will probably thank the burly desk sergent in the long run for helping him get his deranged and scrambled brain back under control. for some guys , who are out of control with rage and anger, a good serving of corporal punishment , reboots the computer in their brain and they feel relieved. to deny a perpetrator this therapy is both cruel and unusual punishment

Listening to your third-rate, self-help, mumbo jumbo advice is cruel and unusual punishment.

Advocating assault now Mr Ed , shame on you

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 8:17pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 8:15pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 8:09pm: aquascoot wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 8:06pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 7:59pm: aquascoot wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 7:57pm: domestic violence should be handled like this. 1 woman is victim of domestic violence. 2.woman goes and reports this to one of her alpha male friends 3 alpha male goes and delivers the "good news" to the perpetrator 4 here endeth the lesson Straight from the horse's arse. its a simple fix. Simple, indeed. More violence is never the answer to violence, no matter how many self-help books tell you otherwise. "simple: an ignorant, foolish, or gullible person." for most people violence is unneccessary. for a small %, being taken to the police station for a good flogging is not only neccessary but its therapeutic. the perpetrator will probably thank the burly desk sergent in the long run for helping him get his deranged and scrambled brain back under control. for some guys , who are out of control with rage and anger, a good serving of corporal punishment , reboots the computer in their brain and they feel relieved. to deny a perpetrator this therapy is both cruel and unusual punishment Listening to your third-rate, self-help, mumbo jumbo advice is cruel and unusual punishment.

;) ;),  wait til i send you my account

Its time wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 8:20pm:

Advocating assault now Mr Ed , shame on you

its not assault at all.

when a doctor gives a patient chemo therapy, he is carrying out an assault on their body to get rid of some "badness". it gives him no joy to make the patient suffer but he knows it is good for the patient in the long run.

when a police sergent or nearby alpha gives a perpetrator a physical "correction" , he is getting rid of some badness . it gives him no joy and is delivered in an unemotional way. he knows it is good for the perpetrator in the long run.  he does it out of a sense of compassion and a sense of duty

aquascoot wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 8:25pm:

Its time wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 8:20pm: Advocating assault now Mr Ed , shame on you its not assault at all. when a doctor gives a patient chemo therapy, he is carrying out an assault on their body to get rid of some "badness". it gives him no joy to make the patient suffer but he knows it is good for the patient in the long run. when a police sergent or nearby alpha gives a perpetrator a physical "correction" , he is getting rid of some badness . it gives him no joy and is delivered in an unemotional way. he knows it is good for the perpetrator in the long run.  he does it out of a sense of compassion and a sense of duty

Horse boy.....re-read what you posted and let's see if you can find your own problem. 

Aussie wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 8:28pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 8:25pm: Its time wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 8:20pm: Advocating assault now Mr Ed , shame on you its not assault at all. when a doctor gives a patient chemo therapy, he is carrying out an assault on their body to get rid of some "badness". it gives him no joy to make the patient suffer but he knows it is good for the patient in the long run. when a police sergent or nearby alpha gives a perpetrator a physical "correction" , he is getting rid of some badness . it gives him no joy and is delivered in an unemotional way. he knows it is good for the perpetrator in the long run.  he does it out of a sense of compassion and a sense of duty Horse boy.....re-read what you posted and let's see if you can find your own problem.

:-/

One scenario involves fully informed consent...........the other, is just lashing out physically for the benefit of the victim of course, of course.

Faaark leftards are boring. Violence, boo-hoo. Racism, boo-hoo. People in detention, boo-hoo. These failed corporate hippies  just can't seem to climatise to life on planet Earth.  Thank God there always in opposition.

aquascoot wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 7:57pm:

domestic violence should be handled like this. 1 woman is victim of domestic violence. 2.woman goes and reports this to one of her alpha male friends 3 alpha male goes and delivers the "good news" to the perpetrator 4 here endeth the lesson

Are you calling for vigilante action?

That is illegal.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 6:27am:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 7:57pm: domestic violence should be handled like this. 1 woman is victim of domestic violence. 2.woman goes and reports this to one of her alpha male friends 3 alpha male goes and delivers the "good news" to the perpetrator 4 here endeth the lesson Are you calling for vigilante action? That is illegal.

Gandi, Martin luther king, jesus of nazareth, Mandella....
they all broke laws and were hauled before the authorities.
Their is a higher power then legislation drafted by beta male loser politicians with low consciousness  ;)

aquascoot wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 6:42am:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 6:27am: aquascoot wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 7:57pm: domestic violence should be handled like this. 1 woman is victim of domestic violence. 2.woman goes and reports this to one of her alpha male friends 3 alpha male goes and delivers the "good news" to the perpetrator 4 here endeth the lesson Are you calling for vigilante action? That is illegal. Gandi, Martin luther king, jesus of nazareth, Mandella.... they all broke laws and were hauled before the authorities. Their is a higher power then legislation drafted by beta male loser politicians with low consciousness  ;)

Careful as Jesus was crucified.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 6:50am:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 6:42am: Bobby. wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 6:27am: aquascoot wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 7:57pm: domestic violence should be handled like this. 1 woman is victim of domestic violence. 2.woman goes and reports this to one of her alpha male friends 3 alpha male goes and delivers the "good news" to the perpetrator 4 here endeth the lesson Are you calling for vigilante action? That is illegal. Gandi, Martin luther king, jesus of nazareth, Mandella.... they all broke laws and were hauled before the authorities. Their is a higher power then legislation drafted by beta male loser politicians with low consciousness  ;) Careful as Jesus was crucified.

I doubt they would crucify a vigilante.
You might get 12 months.
This would give me a chance to settle in a prison cell and read Trust by steven covey, A new earth by ekhardt tolle, awaken the giant within by Tony Robbins and re read The Art of War.
I could minister to my fellow prisoners and help them take up self improvement.
Its all about having a sense of contribution.
I'm getting excited about the prospect .

double plus good wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 3:35am:

Faaark leftards are boring. Violence, boo-hoo. Racism, boo-hoo. People in detention, boo-hoo. These failed corporate hippies  just can't seem to climatise to life on planet Earth.  Thank God there always in opposition.

if they had their way

we would all be living in Utopia...

can you think of anything worse than a lefty run Utopia.....

Billy as King.ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

and his little union groupies keeping Utopians in line...

with their ..

its our way or no way...system...


I am still not sure what Abbott has to do this this thread.. ::).. but I am sure they will think of something.

So far we have no dispute that Rosie was 'managed' into the role that made it impossible for her to shaft the system that let her and her son down?

random wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 7:07am:

So far we have no dispute that Rosie was 'managed' into the role that made it impossible for her to shaft the system that let her and her son down?

so far I am having difficulty in seeing what you are claiming..

what examples of manipulation do you have for instance??..

Abbott isnt the Pm now he isnt stopping any funding..

what are you saying???...

as AUst of the Year they cannot change anything....they are not given a portfolio and ooooddles of money..

what they do is try to change the conscience of the Australians...make us see ourselves as we are becoming...more violent.. >:(

cods wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 7:02am:

I am still not sure what Abbott has to do this this thread..

You're joking, right?

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 7:25am:

cods wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 7:02am: I am still not sure what Abbott has to do this this thread.. You're joking, right?

NO I am not???>....

explain.. I havent read facebook in while...

cods wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 7:26am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 7:25am: cods wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 7:02am: I am still not sure what Abbott has to do this this thread.. You're joking, right? NO I am not???>.... explain.. I havent read facebook in while...

Read the OP, dear.

cods wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 7:11am:

random wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 7:07am: So far we have no dispute that Rosie was 'managed' into the role that made it impossible for her to shaft the system that let her and her son down? so far I am having difficulty in seeing what you are claiming.. what examples of manipulation do you have for instance??.. Abbott isnt the Pm now he isnt stopping any funding.. what are you saying???... as AUst of the Year they cannot change anything....they are not given a portfolio and ooooddles of money.. what they do is try to change the conscience of the Australians...make us see ourselves as we are becoming...more violent.. >:(

Dear Cods, see OP.

Abbott did the deal.  It was a ploy to 'bring into the tent' a charismatic potential critic, by buying her.

Abbott patting her on the knee ...
"Rosie you will be able to accomplish far more for the cause using your Australian of the Year position, than on the outside throwing stones.  And we have a book deal for you and that will set you up for life."

This at the same time as reducing funding for DV!  Nice trick Abbott.

random wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 7:32am:

cods wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 7:11am: random wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 7:07am: So far we have no dispute that Rosie was 'managed' into the role that made it impossible for her to shaft the system that let her and her son down? so far I am having difficulty in seeing what you are claiming.. what examples of manipulation do you have for instance??.. Abbott isnt the Pm now he isnt stopping any funding.. what are you saying???... as AUst of the Year they cannot change anything....they are not given a portfolio and ooooddles of money.. what they do is try to change the conscience of the Australians...make us see ourselves as we are becoming...more violent.. >:( Dear Cods, see OP. Abbott did the deal.  It was a ploy to 'bring into the tent' a charismatic potential critic, by buying her. Abbott patting her on the knee ... "Rosie you will be able to accomplish far more for the cause using your Australian of the Year position, than on the outside throwing stones.  And we have a book deal for you and that will set you up for life." This at the same time as reducing funding for DV!  Nice trick Abbott.

WHAT DEAL????....LINK PLEASE..

this looks like lefty SMEARING to me...

of a really decent women.....

so show us the LINK....

we know you wouldnt make this up dont we?.. >:( >:( >:( >:(

Quote:

Billy as King.ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh and his little union groupies keeping Utopians in line...

cods wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 7:02am:

I am still not sure what Abbott has to do this this thread.. .. but I am sure they will think of something.

I am still not sure what Abbott Shortarse has to do this this thread.. .. but I am sure they cods has thought of something.

random wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 7:48pm:

I support the message that Rosie Batty is delivering but there are darker forces behind what has been done with her. Abbott decided that it was cheaper to buy her for a year than it was to continue the level of funding to domestic violence reduction.   Even before the Australian of the year crown, they did not need someone of her caliber speaking against them, claiming rightly that the system was broken and had failed her and her son.  So Abbott made her an offer she could not refuse. http://www.dailylife.com.au/content/dam/images/1/3/w/2/j/d/image.related.articleLeadwide.620x349.1m6yhz.png/1427293054415.jpg PM Tony Abbott with Rosie Batty. Rosie Batty now knows first hand that the federal government is deceiving Australians about domestic violence. The Australian Of the Year says she has been told repeatedly by both the Prime Minister and the Minister assisting him, Michaelia Cash, that there are no front line domestic violence services being cut. But she has just returned from Mildura and seen with her own eyes that the one full-time lawyer specialising in intervention orders and family violence will finish work on June 30. "I've been told repeatedly there are no front line services being cut. This is my first journey into the country and that tells me different." Advertisement She has a list of many more. In Victoria alone, 13 community legal centres will have to cut legal services. Just one, Yarra Ranges CLC, was saved from the deep cuts – the result of the local MP Tony Smith personally advocating to the Attorney-General George Brandis. "I stood next to the federal member who represents Mildura [Andrew Broad] and I wonder what he has done to advocate for his town," she said. These cuts are being played out all over Australia. If only Rosie Batty could take the Prime Minister with her to see what's happening in these centres.

Unfortunately, this ^^^^^ is the sad and sorry truth.

It's called paying lip service.

And it's what politicians do best.

Lib and Lab supporters commit 85% of crime in Australia

Bias_2012 wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 8:07am:

Lib and Lab supporters commit 85% of crime in Australia

Huh?

Rosie is currently working on a new movie about her life, its called 50 Shades of Black and Blue.

I feel sorry for Rosie Batty, however I do think she should have looked after her son better knowing fully well that his father was a psychopath with extremely violent tendencies. It matters not that she says she 'thought' his violence was directed only at her, and that he would not harm his son, she knew fully well that he was unhinged.

I also think capitalising on her poor son's fate is despicable. 

aquascoot wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 8:15pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 8:09pm: aquascoot wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 8:06pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 7:59pm: aquascoot wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 7:57pm: domestic violence should be handled like this. 1 woman is victim of domestic violence. 2.woman goes and reports this to one of her alpha male friends 3 alpha male goes and delivers the "good news" to the perpetrator 4 here endeth the lesson Straight from the horse's arse. its a simple fix. Simple, indeed. More violence is never the answer to violence, no matter how many self-help books tell you otherwise. "simple: an ignorant, foolish, or gullible person." for most people violence is unneccessary. for a small %, being taken to the police station for a good flogging is not only neccessary but its therapeutic. the perpetrator will probably thank the burly desk sergent in the long run for helping him get his deranged and scrambled brain back under control. for some guys , who are out of control with rage and anger, a good serving of corporal punishment , reboots the computer in their brain and they feel relieved. to deny a perpetrator this therapy is both cruel and unusual punishment

You've really got no idea at all, have you?

double plus good wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 3:35am:

Faaark leftards are boring. Violence, boo-hoo. Racism, boo-hoo. People in detention, boo-hoo. These failed corporate hippies  just can't seem to climatise to life on planet Earth.  Thank God there always in opposition.

And how does this 'opposition' plan to deal with family violence?

Fuzzball wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 3:19pm:

I feel sorry for Rosie Batty, however I do think she should have looked after her son better knowing fully well that his father was a psychopath with extremely violent tendencies. It matters not that she says she 'thought' his violence was directed only at her, and that he would not harm his son, she knew fully well that he was unhinged. I also think capitalising on her poor son's fate is despicable.

Just ..... wow.

Fuzzball wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 3:19pm:

I feel sorry for Rosie Batty, however I do think she should have looked after her son better knowing fully well that his father was a psychopath with extremely violent tendencies. It matters not that she says she 'thought' his violence was directed only at her, and that he would not harm his son, she knew fully well that he was unhinged. I also think capitalising on her poor son's fate is despicable.

pretty disgusting AND YOU ARE WRONG..

he threatened time and time again to KILL HER...


Quote:

The officers did stay, and Anderson was arrested and charged. Later, the police apologised to Rosie, saying even they’d found the hulking six footer “really frightening”. But Anderson was bailed.

he had something like 11 warrants out on him when he killed his son.....

how dare you suggest such a thing...

[urlhttp://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/true-crime-scene/rosie-batty-reveals-her-battle-to-stop-killer-dad-greg-andersons-violence-before-son-lukes-dea][/url]


try reading just a little ... to have some insight into what you are claiming... >:( >:(

mothra wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2016 at 3:50am:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 8:15pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 8:09pm: aquascoot wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 8:06pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 7:59pm: aquascoot wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 7:57pm: domestic violence should be handled like this. 1 woman is victim of domestic violence. 2.woman goes and reports this to one of her alpha male friends 3 alpha male goes and delivers the "good news" to the perpetrator 4 here endeth the lesson Straight from the horse's arse. its a simple fix. Simple, indeed. More violence is never the answer to violence, no matter how many self-help books tell you otherwise. "simple: an ignorant, foolish, or gullible person." for most people violence is unneccessary. for a small %, being taken to the police station for a good flogging is not only neccessary but its therapeutic. the perpetrator will probably thank the burly desk sergent in the long run for helping him get his deranged and scrambled brain back under control. for some guys , who are out of control with rage and anger, a good serving of corporal punishment , reboots the computer in their brain and they feel relieved. to deny a perpetrator this therapy is both cruel and unusual punishment You've really got no idea at all, have you?

Yawn,

are you willing to admit that Prison is

1 a very harsh and brutal environment
2 totally based on a peck order with prisoners at the top of the peck order dealing out abuse in a very nasty and dysfunctional way
3 that society understands that this is EXACTLY how a prison runs and puts people in prison , knowing this fact fully.


So, how much more sensible to expose someone to this sort of atmosphere in a

1  controlled
2  non emotional way.

society sends people to prison to be brutalised.

i propose sending people to a set of highly principled and emotionally neutral alpha males , for the purpose of teaching respect for authority and respect for themselves.

who has a better chance of rehabilitating a violent and selfish perpetrator.


1  a team of ex army sergants, ex police sargents and drovers running a "boot camp' with some harsh and challenging conditions

2  the current model.....a team of 20 yo uni graduates in social work or psychology with NO life experience, conducting "chat sessions" in a brutal and animalistic prison setting????

aquascoot wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2016 at 7:57am:

mothra wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 3:50am: aquascoot wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 8:15pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 8:09pm: aquascoot wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 8:06pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 7:59pm: aquascoot wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 7:57pm: domestic violence should be handled like this. 1 woman is victim of domestic violence. 2.woman goes and reports this to one of her alpha male friends 3 alpha male goes and delivers the "good news" to the perpetrator 4 here endeth the lesson Straight from the horse's arse. its a simple fix. Simple, indeed. More violence is never the answer to violence, no matter how many self-help books tell you otherwise. "simple: an ignorant, foolish, or gullible person." for most people violence is unneccessary. for a small %, being taken to the police station for a good flogging is not only neccessary but its therapeutic. the perpetrator will probably thank the burly desk sergent in the long run for helping him get his deranged and scrambled brain back under control. for some guys , who are out of control with rage and anger, a good serving of corporal punishment , reboots the computer in their brain and they feel relieved. to deny a perpetrator this therapy is both cruel and unusual punishment You've really got no idea at all, have you? Yawn, are you willing to admit that Prison is 1 a very harsh and brutal environment 2 totally based on a peck order with prisoners at the top of the peck order dealing out abuse in a very nasty and dysfunctional way 3 that society understands that this is EXACTLY how a prison runs and puts people in prison , knowing this fact fully. So, how much more sensible to expose someone to this sort of atmosphere in a 1  controlled 2  non emotional way. society sends people to prison to be brutalised. i propose sending people to a set of highly principled and emotionally neutral alpha males , for the purpose of teaching respect for authority and respect for themselves. who has a better chance of rehabilitating a violent and selfish perpetrator. 1  a team of ex army sergants, ex police sargents and drovers running a "boot camp' with some harsh and challenging conditions 2  the current model.....a team of 20 yo uni graduates in social work or psychology with NO life experience, conducting "chat sessions" in a brutal and animalistic prison setting????

Seriously. No idea.

How do you propose o get these men of high need to the services you em worthy?

mothra wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2016 at 8:15am:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 7:57am: mothra wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 3:50am: aquascoot wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 8:15pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 8:09pm: aquascoot wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 8:06pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 7:59pm: aquascoot wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 7:57pm: domestic violence should be handled like this. 1 woman is victim of domestic violence. 2.woman goes and reports this to one of her alpha male friends 3 alpha male goes and delivers the "good news" to the perpetrator 4 here endeth the lesson Straight from the horse's arse. its a simple fix. Simple, indeed. More violence is never the answer to violence, no matter how many self-help books tell you otherwise. "simple: an ignorant, foolish, or gullible person." for most people violence is unneccessary. for a small %, being taken to the police station for a good flogging is not only neccessary but its therapeutic. the perpetrator will probably thank the burly desk sergent in the long run for helping him get his deranged and scrambled brain back under control. for some guys , who are out of control with rage and anger, a good serving of corporal punishment , reboots the computer in their brain and they feel relieved. to deny a perpetrator this therapy is both cruel and unusual punishment You've really got no idea at all, have you? Yawn, are you willing to admit that Prison is 1 a very harsh and brutal environment 2 totally based on a peck order with prisoners at the top of the peck order dealing out abuse in a very nasty and dysfunctional way 3 that society understands that this is EXACTLY how a prison runs and puts people in prison , knowing this fact fully. So, how much more sensible to expose someone to this sort of atmosphere in a 1  controlled 2  non emotional way. society sends people to prison to be brutalised. i propose sending people to a set of highly principled and emotionally neutral alpha males , for the purpose of teaching respect for authority and respect for themselves. who has a better chance of rehabilitating a violent and selfish perpetrator. 1  a team of ex army sergants, ex police sargents and drovers running a "boot camp' with some harsh and challenging conditions 2  the current model.....a team of 20 yo uni graduates in social work or psychology with NO life experience, conducting "chat sessions" in a brutal and animalistic prison setting???? Seriously. No idea. How do you propose o get these men of high need to the services you em worthy?

well, i cant quite understand what youve written.
you seem to say that i have "no idea"

i would say, putting young 18 yo punks in the prison population instead of a boot camp run by dedicated alpha males, reflects a society that has "no idea"

you need to get past the idea that "alpha males teaching respect to beta males" is something that they get some sort of cheap thrills out of.
you could easily get the right sort of guys, with a spirit of contribution, encouragement and challenge to rehabilitate beta male criminals. (and believe me, most of them would have other  things to do)

a man who, for instance, is violent to a woman is the very worst type of beta male. he needs to be treated "proactively' and assisted to be a real man, by real men.

he does not need to be treated 'reactively' and imprisoned and taught to be even more bitter, twisted, and emotionally chaotic

isnt boot camp a make or break? aqua.. ::) ::)


can you see all the LAW SUITS coming?? because I can.

aquascoot wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2016 at 8:26am:

mothra wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 8:15am: aquascoot wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 7:57am: mothra wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 3:50am: aquascoot wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 8:15pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 8:09pm: aquascoot wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 8:06pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 7:59pm: aquascoot wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 7:57pm: domestic violence should be handled like this. 1 woman is victim of domestic violence. 2.woman goes and reports this to one of her alpha male friends 3 alpha male goes and delivers the "good news" to the perpetrator 4 here endeth the lesson Straight from the horse's arse. its a simple fix. Simple, indeed. More violence is never the answer to violence, no matter how many self-help books tell you otherwise. "simple: an ignorant, foolish, or gullible person." for most people violence is unneccessary. for a small %, being taken to the police station for a good flogging is not only neccessary but its therapeutic. the perpetrator will probably thank the burly desk sergent in the long run for helping him get his deranged and scrambled brain back under control. for some guys , who are out of control with rage and anger, a good serving of corporal punishment , reboots the computer in their brain and they feel relieved. to deny a perpetrator this therapy is both cruel and unusual punishment You've really got no idea at all, have you? Yawn, are you willing to admit that Prison is 1 a very harsh and brutal environment 2 totally based on a peck order with prisoners at the top of the peck order dealing out abuse in a very nasty and dysfunctional way 3 that society understands that this is EXACTLY how a prison runs and puts people in prison , knowing this fact fully. So, how much more sensible to expose someone to this sort of atmosphere in a 1  controlled 2  non emotional way. society sends people to prison to be brutalised. i propose sending people to a set of highly principled and emotionally neutral alpha males , for the purpose of teaching respect for authority and respect for themselves. who has a better chance of rehabilitating a violent and selfish perpetrator. 1  a team of ex army sergants, ex police sargents and drovers running a "boot camp' with some harsh and challenging conditions 2  the current model.....a team of 20 yo uni graduates in social work or psychology with NO life experience, conducting "chat sessions" in a brutal and animalistic prison setting???? Seriously. No idea. How do you propose o get these men of high need to the services you em worthy? well, i cant quite understand what youve written. you seem to say that i have "no idea" i would say, putting young 18 yo punks in the prison population instead of a boot camp run by dedicated alpha males, reflects a society that has "no idea" you need to get past the idea that "alpha males teaching respect to beta males" is something that they get some sort of cheap thrills out of. you could easily get the right sort of guys, with a spirit of contribution, encouragement and challenge to rehabilitate beta male criminals. (and believe me, most of them would have other  things to do) a man who, for instance, is violent to a woman is the very worst type of beta male. he needs to be treated "proactively' and assisted to be a real man, by real men. he does not need to be treated 'reactively' and imprisoned and taught to be even more bitter, twisted, and emotionally chaotic

you're wasting your time - No matter how much you try to explain it, a woman just isn't going to be able to understand the world of men.  We handle business.

The rise of the beta male coincides with the disappearance of the father, because at the fundamental level, a woman can not teach a boy to be a man. 

Of course, once these boys grow to become adults, It becomes their fault that they never got the guidance they needed to become good men, and "something must be done!!!!"

I always said her (to me) genuine approach to Family violence as opposed to the current dealing of 'domestic violence' with its presumption of man as perpetrator, was suborned by the politically correct propaganda mob and she was essentially paid to shut up and push their line exclusively.

Now we see the same nonsense from the AOTY about women this and women that.... I note the head of the DFA is a Major General woman..... seems to be no problem there and she is ideally suited, may even be future Head of the Army, fulfilling my prediction in my WW IV series that a Black American Woman would be Head of the US Joint Chiefs at the outbreak of war in 2041....

History following fiction there.......

random wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 7:48pm:

I support the message that Rosie Batty is delivering but there are darker forces behind what has been done with her. Abbott decided that it was cheaper to buy her for a year than it was to continue the level of funding to domestic violence reduction.   Even before the Australian of the year crown, they did not need someone of her caliber speaking against them, claiming rightly that the system was broken and had failed her and her son.  So Abbott made her an offer she could not refuse. http://www.dailylife.com.au/content/dam/images/1/3/w/2/j/d/image.related.articleLeadwide.620x349.1m6yhz.png/1427293054415.jpg PM Tony Abbott with Rosie Batty. Rosie Batty now knows first hand that the federal government is deceiving Australians about domestic violence. The Australian Of the Year says she has been told repeatedly by both the Prime Minister and the Minister assisting him, Michaelia Cash, that there are no front line domestic violence services being cut. But she has just returned from Mildura and seen with her own eyes that the one full-time lawyer specialising in intervention orders and family violence will finish work on June 30. "I've been told repeatedly there are no front line services being cut. This is my first journey into the country and that tells me different." Advertisement She has a list of many more. In Victoria alone, 13 community legal centres will have to cut legal services. Just one, Yarra Ranges CLC, was saved from the deep cuts – the result of the local MP Tony Smith personally advocating to the Attorney-General George Brandis. "I stood next to the federal member who represents Mildura [Andrew Broad] and I wonder what he has done to advocate for his town," she said. These cuts are being played out all over Australia. If only Rosie Batty could take the Prime Minister with her to see what's happening in these centres.

I'd have to say, having read her personal story on the events that killed her son... that the system was working as well as it could... she herself at that time had no issue with her estranged and strange husband playing cricket with their son, and nobody expected that the insane father would decide to kill his own son with a cricket bat and then seek death.

NO system could prevent such a thing happening, and emotive re-readings of history here will not get away from the simple and undeniable fact that NOBODY anticipated the events.

The system was NOT broke.

A continuation of the current purge against men on zero evidence and proof will only result in further escalation of the atmosphere of violence within which this entire issue lives, moves and breathes its one-sided, politically intent on power exchange in society to women zombie life........

It's time for a thorough review of the entire gamut of issues within this issue, and a proper rendering of them - AFTER a full apology to those men falsely afflicted by this current insanity....  it is NOT better that ten innocent men hang than that one possibly guilty one go free...... and to even contemplate such an approach is to hand to those intent on excessive power and control within our society a free run.

Again - NOBODY anticipated the events that killed Rosie Batty's son.... the system was NOT broke.. and those tragic events should not be used as a football to hand more power and control and use of violence by the State and by women to ensure control over men in this society.

... wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2016 at 8:45am:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 8:26am: mothra wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 8:15am: aquascoot wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 7:57am: mothra wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 3:50am: aquascoot wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 8:15pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 8:09pm: aquascoot wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 8:06pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 7:59pm: aquascoot wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 7:57pm: domestic violence should be handled like this. 1 woman is victim of domestic violence. 2.woman goes and reports this to one of her alpha male friends 3 alpha male goes and delivers the "good news" to the perpetrator 4 here endeth the lesson Straight from the horse's arse. its a simple fix. Simple, indeed. More violence is never the answer to violence, no matter how many self-help books tell you otherwise. "simple: an ignorant, foolish, or gullible person." for most people violence is unneccessary. for a small %, being taken to the police station for a good flogging is not only neccessary but its therapeutic. the perpetrator will probably thank the burly desk sergent in the long run for helping him get his deranged and scrambled brain back under control. for some guys , who are out of control with rage and anger, a good serving of corporal punishment , reboots the computer in their brain and they feel relieved. to deny a perpetrator this therapy is both cruel and unusual punishment You've really got no idea at all, have you? Yawn, are you willing to admit that Prison is 1 a very harsh and brutal environment 2 totally based on a peck order with prisoners at the top of the peck order dealing out abuse in a very nasty and dysfunctional way 3 that society understands that this is EXACTLY how a prison runs and puts people in prison , knowing this fact fully. So, how much more sensible to expose someone to this sort of atmosphere in a 1  controlled 2  non emotional way. society sends people to prison to be brutalised. i propose sending people to a set of highly principled and emotionally neutral alpha males , for the purpose of teaching respect for authority and respect for themselves. who has a better chance of rehabilitating a violent and selfish perpetrator. 1  a team of ex army sergants, ex police sargents and drovers running a "boot camp' with some harsh and challenging conditions 2  the current model.....a team of 20 yo uni graduates in social work or psychology with NO life experience, conducting "chat sessions" in a brutal and animalistic prison setting???? Seriously. No idea. How do you propose o get these men of high need to the services you em worthy? well, i cant quite understand what youve written. you seem to say that i have "no idea" i would say, putting young 18 yo punks in the prison population instead of a boot camp run by dedicated alpha males, reflects a society that has "no idea" you need to get past the idea that "alpha males teaching respect to beta males" is something that they get some sort of cheap thrills out of. you could easily get the right sort of guys, with a spirit of contribution, encouragement and challenge to rehabilitate beta male criminals. (and believe me, most of them would have other  things to do) a man who, for instance, is violent to a woman is the very worst type of beta male. he needs to be treated "proactively' and assisted to be a real man, by real men. he does not need to be treated 'reactively' and imprisoned and taught to be even more bitter, twisted, and emotionally chaotic you're wasting your time - No matter how much you try to explain it, a woman just isn't going to be able to understand the world of men.  We handle business. The rise of the beta male coincides with the disappearance of the father, because at the fundamental level, a woman can not teach a boy to be a man.  Of course, once these boys grow to become adults, It becomes their fault that they never got the guidance they needed to become good men, and "something must be done!!!!"

Youre probably right Honky.
I keep hoping for that break thru moment when some of the women (mothra, pansi, gweg) will have a eureka moment.
One tries to be very persistent.
i like to view interacting with mothra as exercising my "will power " muscle.
Like going for a jog, you dont "really" enjoy it, but you enjoy the mastery of "never giving in to the temptation to just give up" ;)

cods wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2016 at 8:31am:

isnt boot camp a make or break? aqua.. ::) ::) can you see all the LAW SUITS coming?? because I can.

i can gaurantee you there are some massive payouts by the taxpayer for people who are physically assaulted in the prison system.
mindful "real men" teaching respect would be unlikely to cause too much damage.

a mixed marshall arts bikie with a brain injury in the general prison population , is quite likely to see an 18 yo punk and king hit him. Your taxes will be paying for the lawsuit cods, i assure you.

cods wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2016 at 7:16am:

Fuzzball wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 3:19pm: I feel sorry for Rosie Batty, however I do think she should have looked after her son better knowing fully well that his father was a psychopath with extremely violent tendencies. It matters not that she says she 'thought' his violence was directed only at her, and that he would not harm his son, she knew fully well that he was unhinged. I also think capitalising on her poor son's fate is despicable.  pretty disgusting AND YOU ARE WRONG.. he threatened time and time again to KILL HER... Quote: The officers did stay, and Anderson was arrested and charged. Later, the police apologised to Rosie, saying even they’d found the hulking six footer “really frightening”. But Anderson was bailed. he had something like 11 warrants out on him when he killed his son..... how dare you suggest such a thing... [urlhttp://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/true-crime-scene/rosie-batty-reveals-her-battle-to-stop-killer-dad-greg-andersons-violence-before-son-lukes-dea][/url] try reading just a little ... to have some insight into what you are claiming... >:( >:(

Maybe you should 'try' reading my post 'and give your geriatric pie-hole a rest', I realise that your comatose noggin is somewhat of a problem, but it was her son and her responsibility to protect him knowing exactly what she knew about his deranged father.......

Only the affluent can afford Justice the rest have to do the best they can.

Thus it has been and under Malcolm Turnbull, rest assured the status quo will remain or even shrink as posters have already pointed out.

You see Malcolm doesn't have a problem with 'sleeping out' for the poor once a year. But it's what he does about it that counts. I can't see that he's done much.

That is an outrageous and ignorant assessment to make of Rosie Batty that she 'should have protected him better'.

Let me tell you as an ex Cop, if someone decides they are going to 'come after you'.. Good luck with stopping them unless you have unlimited resources and travel with an armed squad of goons to protect you and your kids.

Because, when a single minded person decides they are going to come for you, trust me on this, chances are they will get you. No matter what you set up.

Rosie's unhinged ex stalked the boy then attacked him when the opportunity came and killed him with a cricket bat.

Some of you sitting in those ivory towers of yours think you're safe.

But if that someone wants to take you out, then you are very likely to go.

red baron wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2016 at 1:45pm:

That is an outrageous and ignorant assessment to make of Rosie Batty that she 'should have protected him better'. Let me tell you as an ex Cop, if someone decides they are going to 'come after you'.. Good luck with stopping them unless you have unlimited resources and travel with an armed squad of goons to protect you and your kids. Because, when a single minded person decides they are going to come for you, trust me on this, chances are they will get you. No matter what you set up. Rosie's unhinged ex stalked the boy then attacked him when the opportunity came and killed him with a cricket bat. Some of you sitting in those ivory towers of yours think you're safe. But if that someone wants to take you out, then you are very likely to go.

I couldn't care less if you are an ex commissioner of police. The simple fact is she was fully aware that her ex/former husband was an imbecilic psychopath. On what f***ing planet would a responsible parent allow their child to go anywhere near a man like that....father or not?

You may consider me 'ignorant' but you must have remained a 'constable' for all of your sorry police career, because anybody with half a brain would know what I am referring to, and know that her son would still alive if she had used basic common sense.

I was in the IT industry, escaped now.  There was/is an orgaisation titled 'Women in IT', tasked to increase the percentage of women in that industry.  IMHO all it did was emphasis that they were women, not IT workers, fail.

Same with domestic violence (DV).  We already had laws rendering it illegal to assault another person of any sex, but the focus on DV makes it somehow different to the same man bashing someone at the pub.

I am aware of some of the reasons people, lawmakers think that it is different, but I disagree.  It is just violence that existing laws could deal with.

Continuing to define and treat differently, requiring different laws perpetuates the old view that a man bashing his wife is different to a man bashing a stranger.  Fail.

random wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2016 at 2:57pm:

I was in the IT industry, escaped now.  There was/is an orgaisation titled 'Women in IT', tasked to increase the percentage of women in that industry.  IMHO all it did was emphasis that they were women, not IT workers, fail. Same with domestic violence (DV).  We already had laws rendering it illegal to assault another person of any sex, but the focus on DV makes it somehow different to the same man bashing someone at the pub. I am aware of some of the reasons people, lawmakers think that it is different, but I disagree.  It is just violence that existing laws could deal with. Continuing to define and treat differently, requiring different laws perpetuates the old view that a man bashing his wife is different to a man bashing a stranger.  Fail.

of course it is.....the trouble with DV is its a HIDDEN VIOLENCE>. its not just the black eye its mental as well...thats what a lot do not understand...

DV usually starts off in a mental way...women tend to think possessiveness ..jealousy.. is love.. it means they care for them more than anyone else....... its when it starts to intrude on one freedoms that it becomes not love but control...and when she start to argue back.. thats when the fist comes in..

well in the violence stage..



there is so much SHAME still attached to DV...

two people involved so someone has to take the blame...and its usually the weaker one....who tries to change and stop making the other angry...

a mother of 5 has just been allegedly killed by her defacto of many years....by all accounts her son asked straight away .. "did dad kill her"..

have those children been living in fear all their lives this was going to happen one day?????????....


:'( :'( :'(


how terrible to explain to children their dad killed their mum...

aquascoot wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 8:15pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 8:09pm: aquascoot wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 8:06pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 7:59pm: aquascoot wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 7:57pm: domestic violence should be handled like this. 1 woman is victim of domestic violence. 2.woman goes and reports this to one of her alpha male friends 3 alpha male goes and delivers the "good news" to the perpetrator 4 here endeth the lesson Straight from the horse's arse. its a simple fix. Simple, indeed. More violence is never the answer to violence, no matter how many self-help books tell you otherwise. "simple: an ignorant, foolish, or gullible person." for most people violence is unneccessary. for a small %, being taken to the police station for a good flogging is not only neccessary but its therapeutic. the perpetrator will probably thank the burly desk sergent in the long run for helping him get his deranged and scrambled brain back under control. for some guys , who are out of control with rage and anger, a good serving of corporal punishment , reboots the computer in their brain and they feel relieved. to deny a perpetrator this therapy is both cruel and unusual punishment

What century are you from?

cods wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2016 at 3:28pm:

random wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 2:57pm: I was in the IT industry, escaped now.  There was/is an orgaisation titled 'Women in IT', tasked to increase the percentage of women in that industry.  IMHO all it did was emphasis that they were women, not IT workers, fail. Same with domestic violence (DV).  We already had laws rendering it illegal to assault another person of any sex, but the focus on DV makes it somehow different to the same man bashing someone at the pub. I am aware of some of the reasons people, lawmakers think that it is different, but I disagree.  It is just violence that existing laws could deal with. Continuing to define and treat differently, requiring different laws perpetuates the old view that a man bashing his wife is different to a man bashing a stranger.  Fail. of course it is.....the trouble with DV is its a HIDDEN VIOLENCE>. its not just the black eye its mental as well...thats what a lot do not understand... DV usually starts off in a mental way...women tend to think possessiveness ..jealousy.. is love.. it means they care for them more than anyone else....... its when it starts to intrude on one freedoms that it becomes not love but control...and when she start to argue back.. thats when the fist comes in.. well in the violence stage.. there is so much SHAME still attached to DV... two people involved so someone has to take the blame...and its usually the weaker one....who tries to change and stop making the other angry... a mother of 5 has just been allegedly killed by her defacto of many years....by all accounts her son asked straight away .. "did dad kill her".. have those children been living in fear all their lives this was going to happen one day?????????.... :'( :'( :'( how terrible to explain to children their dad killed their mum...

Does anyone begin to suggest that putting innocent men accused and convicted without proof as the main thrust of 'domestic violence' "laws" is NOT mental abuse?

There is an emerging pattern titled "Battered Man Syndrome".....emotionally and spiritually battered in the same way as any other rape victim, by having violence, outrageous violence, thrust upon them without rhyme or reason.

No wonder the casualty rate is rising....

Laugh till you cry wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 8:10pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 7:57pm: domestic violence should be handled like this. 1 woman is victim of domestic violence. 2.woman goes and reports this to one of her alpha male friends 3 alpha male goes and delivers the "good news" to the perpetrator 4 here endeth the lesson Perpetrator follows trail of urine to Aquascoot's house and teaches Aquascoot Alphabelt. Violence begets violence.

Yes & sometimes complete arzeholery begets & thoroughly deserves violence

You should take a number. ::)

red baron wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2016 at 1:45pm:

That is an outrageous and ignorant assessment to make of Rosie Batty that she 'should have protected him better'. Let me tell you as an ex Cop, if someone decides they are going to 'come after you'.. Good luck with stopping them unless you have unlimited resources and travel with an armed squad of goons to protect you and your kids. Because, when a single minded person decides they are going to come for you, trust me on this, chances are they will get you. No matter what you set up. Rosie's unhinged ex stalked the boy then attacked him when the opportunity came and killed him with a cricket bat. Some of you sitting in those ivory towers of yours think you're safe. But if that someone wants to take you out, then you are very likely to go.

Red - I read her story and she herself said that she was not overly concerned that her mad hubby was playing cricket with her son.. NOBODY there made any attempt to stop it before it happened, and nobody thought anything was going on other than a father throwing a ball to his son to hit... the first respondent was another kid who thought her son had been hit in the head by a ball.... and was driven away by the mad ex-husband...

She herself said that......

Eleven or no matter how many complaints in the past or current warrants or anything else can ever remove what she said - no amount of police or court intervention can change this -she herself PERMITTED the madman to play cricket with their son and she was even happy to see the madman behaving properly at the time (or so she thought), and had no problem with it until the killing took place.

Sadly - trust was misplaced by this woman in a lunatic..... I hope everyone knows better in future... NEVER LET A LUNATIC NEAR YOUR MOST PRECIOUS.

It was a mistake on her part pure and simple - and I'm positive she lives with it every day - but the fact is that the system was in place and working as far as it could work under those circumstances.

cods wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 7:02am:

double plus good wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 3:35am: Faaark leftards are boring. Violence, boo-hoo. Racism, boo-hoo. People in detention, boo-hoo. These failed corporate hippies  just can't seem to climatise to life on planet Earth.  Thank God there always in opposition. if they had their way we would all be living in Utopia... can you think of anything worse than a lefty run Utopia..... Billy as King.ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh and his little union groupies keeping Utopians in line... with their .. its our way or no way...system... I am still not sure what Abbott has to do this this thread.. ::).. but I am sure they will think of something.

Has to be one of the dumbest things you've ever typed ::)

"it's our way or the highway" is the LNP mantra.

random wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2016 at 2:57pm:

I was in the IT industry, escaped now.  There was/is an orgaisation titled 'Women in IT', tasked to increase the percentage of women in that industry.  IMHO all it did was emphasis that they were women, not IT workers, fail. Same with domestic violence (DV).  We already had laws rendering it illegal to assault another person of any sex, but the focus on DV makes it somehow different to the same man bashing someone at the pub. I am aware of some of the reasons people, lawmakers think that it is different, but I disagree.  It is just violence that existing laws could deal with. Continuing to define and treat differently, requiring different laws perpetuates the old view that a man bashing his wife is different to a man bashing a stranger.  Fail.

I said exactly that in my (disregarded) submission to the NSW Law Reform Commission on the plan to introduce 'uniform domestic violence laws', as forced on the State by Paul Keating under threat or lesser funding if they refused, in 1992.

Very shortly after my dissenting view was posted to the LRC - I was myself subjected to an assault by AVO at the behest of the sister of a highly placed person in NSW - for no reason whatsoever, since we had been friends and bordering on a relationship for twelve years........ and I married someone else.......

THAT is the truth about the ability of a 'court' to impose a 'violence order' against anyone - no proof required and anything will do... hang those ten innocent men pour encourager les autres, since to do otherwise means 'we' will have no power and we simply must make an example of dissidents...

You think we don't live in an oppressive and violent society that tolerates no dissent, and that people don't have their lives and reputations destroyed at the whim of some public servant or politically self-interested person?

Time you read my books..... such an act is called, in geo-political situations..... a declaration of war as solid as the bombing of Pearl Harbour was....

random wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2016 at 2:57pm:

We already had laws rendering it illegal to assault another person of any sex, but the focus on DV makes it somehow different to the same man bashing someone at the pub.

Because it is different.  Domestic violence also involves attempts to control another person, is usually accompanied by mental abuse, and is invariably an ongoing process over a period of weeks, months, or even years.  It is much worse and insidious than a one-off assault at the pub.

Wolseley wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2016 at 10:54pm:

random wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 2:57pm: We already had laws rendering it illegal to assault another person of any sex, but the focus on DV makes it somehow different to the same man bashing someone at the pub. Because it is different.  Domestic violence also involves attempts to control another person, is usually accompanied by mental abuse, and is invariably an ongoing process over a period of weeks, months, or even years.  It is much worse and insidious than a one-off assault at the pub.

Again - and this in no way applies to a woman making threats and imposing constant put-downs and even applying proxy violence against a man on whim?


How does one go about proving this 'months long abuse'? Because one 'feels like it?

And why is it one-sided ONLY?

I'm afraid many of you have as much to learn about real violence within society as the professor of peace studies does.. when he was foolish enough to ask me if we live in a violent society... and then rejected the answer offered in detail......

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2016 at 11:04pm:

Again - and this in no way applies to a woman making threats and imposing constant put-downs and even applying proxy violence against a man on whim?

Domestic violence occurs when someone tries to control their partner or other family members in ways intended to intimidate or oppress them.  The perpetrator may be male or female.


Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2016 at 11:04pm:

How does one go about proving this 'months long abuse'? Because one 'feels like it?

That would vary from case to case.  there is no one answer to your question.


Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2016 at 11:04pm:

And why is it one-sided ONLY?

It isn’t.


Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2016 at 11:04pm:

I'm afraid many of you have as much to learn about real violence within society as the professor of peace studies does.. when he was foolish enough to ask me if we live in a violent society... and then rejected the answer offered in detail......

You clearly have some chip on your shoulder that is inhibiting your perception of reality.

aquascoot wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2016 at 8:26am:

[ you need to get past the idea that "alpha males teaching respect to beta males" is something that they get some sort of cheap thrills out of. you could easily get the right sort of guys, with a spirit of contribution, encouragement and challenge to rehabilitate beta male criminals. (and believe me, most of them would have other  things to do) a man who, for instance, is violent to a woman is the very worst type of beta male. he needs to be treated "proactively' and assisted to be a real man, by real men. he does not need to be treated 'reactively' and imprisoned and taught to be even more bitter, twisted, and emotionally chaotic

yes, good points.

Wolseley wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2016 at 11:24pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 11:04pm: Again - and this in no way applies to a woman making threats and imposing constant put-downs and even applying proxy violence against a man on whim? Domestic violence occurs when someone tries to control their partner or other family members in ways intended to intimidate or oppress them.  The perpetrator may be male or female. Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 11:04pm: How does one go about proving this 'months long abuse'? Because one 'feels like it? That would vary from case to case.  there is no one answer to your question. Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 11:04pm: And why is it one-sided ONLY? It isn’t. Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 11:04pm: I'm afraid many of you have as much to learn about real violence within society as the professor of peace studies does.. when he was foolish enough to ask me if we live in a violent society... and then rejected the answer offered in detail...... You clearly have some chip on your shoulder that is inhibiting your perception of reality.

I'll get back to you later.. not 'one-sided'?  Show me the men and women out there speaking out against abuse of men verbally and physically.... and not just some endless array of women and feminist running dogs like Morrison II, who are actually addressing the Rosie Batty concepts of FAMILY violence.. and not 'domestic violence' under its current paradigm of 'man perp - woman victim'.

SHOW ME!

Chip on my shoulder?  Sorry, lad - it's not my shoulder you need to look at but at the overall view and the prevailing hot air winds.... you've missed the boat.... and fall squarely into the category of one who does NOT understand societal violence and the institutional place it occupies in this poor fellow - my country.

When your courts and such STOP attempting to beat and browbeat men into submission over 'domestic violence' and actually address the issues of violence in an equal-handed manner.. get back to me.

And stop automatically utilising the Batty incident as some sort of generalised incident with 'man perp' = 'all men are perps and must be condemned without recourse to law lest they harm someone' - the man was a nutter and she allowed it to happen... something she has to live with.

Walk a mile in them shoes and THEN - and only then - talk.

Fireball, have a aspro and calm down. I am pointing out that you cannot be 'on point' for your children 24/7. Yes her ex was unhinged. But Rosie Batty as a single mother did her utmost to ensure that her son led a normal life.

You cannot put someone in cotton wool add infinitum. This was an event that could not be predicted. Wake you rabbit.

A news report of the incident follows:

The mother of an 11-year-old boy killed by his father at a cricket ground in Victoria has spoken of her shock, and revealed her estranged partner had a history of mental illness and was the subject of an apprehended violence order (AVO).

Luke Batty was killed in front of horrified onlookers after a cricket training session at the oval in the small town of Tyabb, south-east of Melbourne, on Wednesday evening.

His 54-year-old father Greg was shot by police at the scene and died in hospital early on Thursday morning.

Luke's mother Rosie Batty was at the cricket ground when the tragedy unfolded, after her son asked for "a few more minutes" with his father.

This afternoon she described her "shock" and "disbelief" and told reporters her estranged partner Greg was a man who loved his son but had suffered from an undiagnosed mental illness for two decades.

"Luke was nearly as tall as me. He was sensitive. He enjoyed his footy, he enjoyed his cricket," she said.




Luke was nearly as tall as me. He was effervescent, he was funny. He wasn't the best scholar but he was intelligent.

Rosie Batty



"He was effervescent, he was funny. He wasn't the best scholar but he was intelligent. He enjoyed his school."

She says Luke loved his father and "felt pain" because he knew he was struggling.

"He was a little boy in a growing body that felt pain and sadness and fear for his mum, and he always believed he would be safe with his dad," she said.

"[I told him] 'you'll always love your dad. You won't always like what they do or say, but you'll always love your dad, and he'll always love you'."

Comment Red Baron: NO ONE could have predicted this turn of events. Things happen in life, it is just the way it is.

ian wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2016 at 11:29pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 8:26am: [ you need to get past the idea that "alpha males teaching respect to beta males" is something that they get some sort of cheap thrills out of. you could easily get the right sort of guys, with a spirit of contribution, encouragement and challenge to rehabilitate beta male criminals. (and believe me, most of them would have other  things to do) a man who, for instance, is violent to a woman is the very worst type of beta male. he needs to be treated "proactively' and assisted to be a real man, by real men. he does not need to be treated 'reactively' and imprisoned and taught to be even more bitter, twisted, and emotionally chaotic yes, good points.

Ian, i am a keen student of nature.
I am a keen student of "evolutionary pressure"
Maria asked what century i am from.
i like to think of myself as grounded in "reality" and so one needs to take a very very very long look at the human species to understand how we got to where we are.
i am certainly not grounded in the 1960's hippie movement and all the upheaval that we have seen since.
has there been enough "evolutionary pressure ' on all this upheaval to see if it will stand the test of time?? ;) ;)

Things happen in nature a certain way for very good reasons.
Alpha males are innate leaders.
through 100's of generations of man/woman kind, this has been the response of the evolutionary pressure.
Alpha males keep order amongst the betas.
through hundreds of generations this has been the case.
Alpha males and leading females begin a fairly strict disciplinary process , virtually from birth in nature and certainly from pre pubescense in humans.

bad behaviour amongst "the young males" is simply extinguished.
banishment from the tribe meant almost certain death.


since 1965, we have (for no good scientific reason) decided that bad behaviour in young delta males should be dealt with by low ranking females with a new and novel approach...talk therapies and counselling, trying to use logic to control emotions.
This wont work.

Emotional mastery must be learnt by the individual himself and he must learn it as part of the natural social conditioning that his brain has adapted to over 100's of generations.

An emotional horse will not respond to love and tenderness and sweet platitudes. it must learn the hard lesson that it has to "control its own emotions" . Only then is it safe.  To allow emotions (like anger , violence, etc) to go uncorrected is just insane and when pressure is applied (say when hot buttons are pushed) if the lessons have not been learnt ....disaster will occur.
this is what is happening.
Alpha males are not manning up to their responsibilities to teach this emotional mastery to young men and only alpha males can teach it  ;)

... wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2016 at 8:45am:

you're wasting your time - No matter how much you try to explain it, a woman just isn't going to be able to understand the world of men.  We handle business. The rise of the beta male coincides with the disappearance of the father, because at the fundamental level, a woman can not teach a boy to be a man.  Of course, once these boys grow to become adults, It becomes their fault that they never got the guidance they needed to become good men, and "something must be done!!!!"

Yet countless single mothers have raised very fine male children.

Countless single mothers are in the process of raising very fine male children.

Needs dictate outcome.

aquascoot wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2016 at 9:21am:

Youre probably right Honky. I keep hoping for that break thru moment when some of the women (mothra, pansi, gweg) will have a eureka moment. One tries to be very persistent. i like to view interacting with mothra as exercising my "will power " muscle. Like going for a jog, you dont "really" enjoy it, but you enjoy the mastery of "never giving in to the temptation to just give up" ;)

No he's not ... and no you're not.

Keep exercising that muscle Horse Boy. It still needs some work.

aquascoot wrote on Feb 4^th, 2016 at 6:51am:

ian wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 11:29pm: aquascoot wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 8:26am: [ you need to get past the idea that "alpha males teaching respect to beta males" is something that they get some sort of cheap thrills out of. you could easily get the right sort of guys, with a spirit of contribution, encouragement and challenge to rehabilitate beta male criminals. (and believe me, most of them would have other  things to do) a man who, for instance, is violent to a woman is the very worst type of beta male. he needs to be treated "proactively' and assisted to be a real man, by real men. he does not need to be treated 'reactively' and imprisoned and taught to be even more bitter, twisted, and emotionally chaotic yes, good points. Ian, i am a keen student of nature. ,snip>

No problem with nature, except when you foolishly think it has a place in society.

Let me keep it simple for you.  The police are the thin blue line keeping nature and society apart.  Those who cross the line, thinking they are alpha males teaching a lesson, are locked up.

You like the jungle the go back to it.   You like the benefits if a social existence then you should work with that.

random wrote on Feb 5^th, 2016 at 5:13am:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 4th, 2016 at 6:51am: ian wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 11:29pm: aquascoot wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 8:26am: [ you need to get past the idea that "alpha males teaching respect to beta males" is something that they get some sort of cheap thrills out of. you could easily get the right sort of guys, with a spirit of contribution, encouragement and challenge to rehabilitate beta male criminals. (and believe me, most of them would have other  things to do) a man who, for instance, is violent to a woman is the very worst type of beta male. he needs to be treated "proactively' and assisted to be a real man, by real men. he does not need to be treated 'reactively' and imprisoned and taught to be even more bitter, twisted, and emotionally chaotic yes, good points. Ian, i am a keen student of nature. ,snip> No problem with nature, except when you foolishly think it has a place in society. Let me keep it simple for you.  The police are the thin blue line keeping nature and society apart.  Those who cross the line, thinking they are alpha males teaching a lesson, are locked up. You like the jungle the go back to it.   You like the benefits if a social existence then you should work with that.

i dont think there ARE benefits of social existence in terms of what we should be focusing on (our own personal growth).
the over governed, over regulated, over comfortable existence has put most people in a Durrrrrr state.
They are completely divorced from the universal principles which exist.
They seek comfort, they expect to live in a "me,me,me" paradim.
They are like a black hole, always in scarcity, always with themselves and their personal comfort as there only concern.
They do not realise  the universal principles of life .
They want society to make it all comfortable for them.
They do not realise that they should not be like a black hole , but rather like a star, radiating out energy. giving of themselves and contributing.


A man 3000 years ago, running round the savana, had to become in tune with the universal principles.
He was lucky in that he had to accept the world as it is and this was his passage to adulthood.

All people deserve the right to have this passage to adulthood.
they deserve the right to face adversity, accept adversity and get better thru adversity.

modern society will have none of this.
people expect all adversity to be taken away by society and by government.
Thus there is no growth, there is no getting better, there is only getting Bitter.

there is only the narrative of a child.

Help me.
Please help me.
If i complain long enough will somebody help me.
My mummy always used to help me when i had a problem (now i expect the government and society to fill this role til my death ;)).
Are you my mummy?

I have learned helplessness.
If i write a cry baby narrative , will somebody help me.
If i play the victim, will somebody help me.

There is no growth.
There is only misery, once you depart from the universal laws, there is only suffering.

Why do you think we have record obesity, record depression, record anxiety, record relationship breakdown......because we have gone against the universal laws that govern how we become an adult
How we become masculine or feminine.
No police force or government law will fix this for you my friend  ;)

I am not your friend.  I interpret the use of that term as condescending, so keep using it if that's how you want to appear.

Your narrative conveniently ignores the fact that tribal societies require conformance the their lore, or get speared, or exiled.  Even herd animals have societies.  You are misguided and simplistic.

Forget the personal growth thing too, that's bullshit invented by sky fairy folk to demand conformance.

mothra wrote on Feb 5^th, 2016 at 4:32am:

... wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 8:45am: you're wasting your time - No matter how much you try to explain it, a woman just isn't going to be able to understand the world of men.  We handle business. The rise of the beta male coincides with the disappearance of the father, because at the fundamental level, a woman can not teach a boy to be a man.  Of course, once these boys grow to become adults, It becomes their fault that they never got the guidance they needed to become good men, and "something must be done!!!!" Yet countless single mothers have raised very fine male children. Countless single mothers are in the process of raising very fine male children. Needs dictate outcome.

You need to quit the reflexive arguments - The principle underpinning it cannot even be disputed.

One cannot teach what one does not know.

A woman teaching a boy to be a man is like a ballerina teaching someone to box.  That is not to say there is nothing to learn from the ballerina, but it won't make you a boxer.   

Like aqua, I too secretly hope for the "eureka" moment with my heart, even though my head tells me it's not going to happen.

aquascoot wrote on Feb 5^th, 2016 at 6:48am:

random wrote on Feb 5th, 2016 at 5:13am: aquascoot wrote on Feb 4th, 2016 at 6:51am: ian wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 11:29pm: aquascoot wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 8:26am: [ you need to get past the idea that "alpha males teaching respect to beta males" is something that they get some sort of cheap thrills out of. you could easily get the right sort of guys, with a spirit of contribution, encouragement and challenge to rehabilitate beta male criminals. (and believe me, most of them would have other  things to do) a man who, for instance, is violent to a woman is the very worst type of beta male. he needs to be treated "proactively' and assisted to be a real man, by real men. he does not need to be treated 'reactively' and imprisoned and taught to be even more bitter, twisted, and emotionally chaotic yes, good points. Ian, i am a keen student of nature. ,snip> No problem with nature, except when you foolishly think it has a place in society. Let me keep it simple for you.  The police are the thin blue line keeping nature and society apart.  Those who cross the line, thinking they are alpha males teaching a lesson, are locked up. You like the jungle the go back to it.   You like the benefits if a social existence then you should work with that. i dont think ...

Indeed.

random wrote on Feb 5^th, 2016 at 8:11am:

I am not your friend.  I interpret the use of that term as condescending, so keep using it if that's how you want to appear. Your narrative conveniently ignores the fact that tribal societies require conformance the their lore, or get speared, or exiled.  Even herd animals have societies.  You are misguided and simplistic. Forget the personal growth thing too, that's bullshit invented by sky fairy folk to demand conformance.

I come with a spirit of contribution.
Your not validating me causes no change in my mental state as my mental state is rooted in universal law.
The current social experiments with the male/female narrative will change soon, but universal law is like a pillar driven deep into bed-rock.
The airey fairy , touchy feeley social change we have had since 1960 is built on sand.
already it is falling over  ;) ;) ;)

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 5^th, 2016 at 9:54am:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 5th, 2016 at 6:48am: random wrote on Feb 5th, 2016 at 5:13am: aquascoot wrote on Feb 4th, 2016 at 6:51am: ian wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 11:29pm: aquascoot wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 8:26am: [ you need to get past the idea that "alpha males teaching respect to beta males" is something that they get some sort of cheap thrills out of. you could easily get the right sort of guys, with a spirit of contribution, encouragement and challenge to rehabilitate beta male criminals. (and believe me, most of them would have other  things to do) a man who, for instance, is violent to a woman is the very worst type of beta male. he needs to be treated "proactively' and assisted to be a real man, by real men. he does not need to be treated 'reactively' and imprisoned and taught to be even more bitter, twisted, and emotionally chaotic yes, good points. Ian, i am a keen student of nature. ,snip> No problem with nature, except when you foolishly think it has a place in society. Let me keep it simple for you.  The police are the thin blue line keeping nature and society apart.  Those who cross the line, thinking they are alpha males teaching a lesson, are locked up. You like the jungle the go back to it.   You like the benefits if a social existence then you should work with that. i dont think ... Indeed.

Hi Gweg

Tony Robbins sells out his weekend seminars to about 5000 people at 2,500 a head.
How much would the market pay for the wisdom of gweg?

Bill clinton , al gore, tiger woods, michael jordan all rang Tony when they were in crisis.

leave your number here and we'll see how many high achievers want to call you for advice  :D :D :D

aquascoot wrote on Feb 5^th, 2016 at 10:02am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 5th, 2016 at 9:54am: aquascoot wrote on Feb 5th, 2016 at 6:48am: random wrote on Feb 5th, 2016 at 5:13am: aquascoot wrote on Feb 4th, 2016 at 6:51am: ian wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 11:29pm: aquascoot wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 8:26am: [ you need to get past the idea that "alpha males teaching respect to beta males" is something that they get some sort of cheap thrills out of. you could easily get the right sort of guys, with a spirit of contribution, encouragement and challenge to rehabilitate beta male criminals. (and believe me, most of them would have other  things to do) a man who, for instance, is violent to a woman is the very worst type of beta male. he needs to be treated "proactively' and assisted to be a real man, by real men. he does not need to be treated 'reactively' and imprisoned and taught to be even more bitter, twisted, and emotionally chaotic yes, good points. Ian, i am a keen student of nature. ,snip> No problem with nature, except when you foolishly think it has a place in society. Let me keep it simple for you.  The police are the thin blue line keeping nature and society apart.  Those who cross the line, thinking they are alpha males teaching a lesson, are locked up. You like the jungle the go back to it.   You like the benefits if a social existence then you should work with that. i dont think ... Indeed. Hi Gweg Tony Robbins sells out his weekend seminars to about 5000 people at 2,500 a head.

Yes.

Easy money for a savvy businessman who knows how to sell snake oil to gullible, lonely people who are looking for something to fill the void in their lives.

Same as religion.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 5^th, 2016 at 10:13am:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 5th, 2016 at 10:02am: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 5th, 2016 at 9:54am: aquascoot wrote on Feb 5th, 2016 at 6:48am: random wrote on Feb 5th, 2016 at 5:13am: aquascoot wrote on Feb 4th, 2016 at 6:51am: ian wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 11:29pm: aquascoot wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 8:26am: [ you need to get past the idea that "alpha males teaching respect to beta males" is something that they get some sort of cheap thrills out of. you could easily get the right sort of guys, with a spirit of contribution, encouragement and challenge to rehabilitate beta male criminals. (and believe me, most of them would have other  things to do) a man who, for instance, is violent to a woman is the very worst type of beta male. he needs to be treated "proactively' and assisted to be a real man, by real men. he does not need to be treated 'reactively' and imprisoned and taught to be even more bitter, twisted, and emotionally chaotic yes, good points. Ian, i am a keen student of nature. ,snip> No problem with nature, except when you foolishly think it has a place in society. Let me keep it simple for you.  The police are the thin blue line keeping nature and society apart.  Those who cross the line, thinking they are alpha males teaching a lesson, are locked up. You like the jungle the go back to it.   You like the benefits if a social existence then you should work with that. i dont think ... Indeed. Hi Gweg Tony Robbins sells out his weekend seminars to about 5000 people at 2,500 a head. Yes. Easy money for a savvy businessman who knows how to sell snake oil to gullible, lonely people who are looking for something to fill the void in their lives. Same as religion.

gore and clinton are gullible??

tony has been at it for 30 years (almost as long as the current s feminist movement).

i would actually say that the feminist movement has been snake oil sold to gullible women.
They get to have all this responsibility that smothers their feminine energy.
They get to work as hard as men in the workplace and have to deny the social , emotional and nurturing side which is built into their DNA.
They have been sold a lemon.
This is why they hate the beta - male .
The beta male has almost become the female energy in society and there is nothing more repugnant to a female then a man who acts like a female. ;) ;) ;)

As for religion.
I think its been around for about as long as we have had the wheel.
It will certainly outlast the current failed social dynamic the confused girly left are pushing  ;) ;) ;)

aquascoot wrote on Feb 5^th, 2016 at 10:27am:

As for religion. I think its been around for about as long as we have had the wheel.

So has leprosy.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 5^th, 2016 at 10:46am:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 5th, 2016 at 10:27am: As for religion. I think its been around for about as long as we have had the wheel. So has leprosy.

religion and spirituality teach lessons which are an essential part of the "human condition".

to go beyond surviving mode into thriving mode , it is neccessary to study the great religious and spiritual gurus.

once you get to a point in your personal growth this will become obvious.

people living in the modern Durrrrrr state

pizza....ugh
beer...ugh
porn....ugh
boring 9 to 5 job...ugh
complaining and blaming....I'm being held down by the "system", the "gubment", the "man"

these people may never reach a point where they need religion or spirituality.....this is because they have simply ceased to grow .

aquascoot wrote on Feb 5^th, 2016 at 11:43am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 5th, 2016 at 10:46am: aquascoot wrote on Feb 5th, 2016 at 10:27am: As for religion. I think its been around for about as long as we have had the wheel. So has leprosy. religion and spirituality teach lessons which are an essential part of the "human condition".

Incorrect.

However, your brain has been so 'washed' by now, that you wouldn't understand.

In fact, your brain has been dry cleaned.

aquascoot wrote on Feb 5^th, 2016 at 11:43am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 5th, 2016 at 10:46am: aquascoot wrote on Feb 5th, 2016 at 10:27am: As for religion. I think its been around for about as long as we have had the wheel. So has leprosy. these people may never reach a point where they need religion or spirituality.....this is because they have simply ceased to grow .

But of course!  That must be why various religious went around the planet converting savages!

That explains why there are no poor, uneducated and religious people in the Americas and Africa!

You are smacking brilliant.

... wrote on Feb 5^th, 2016 at 9:19am:

mothra wrote on Feb 5th, 2016 at 4:32am: ... wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 8:45am: you're wasting your time - No matter how much you try to explain it, a woman just isn't going to be able to understand the world of men.  We handle business. The rise of the beta male coincides with the disappearance of the father, because at the fundamental level, a woman can not teach a boy to be a man.  Of course, once these boys grow to become adults, It becomes their fault that they never got the guidance they needed to become good men, and "something must be done!!!!" Yet countless single mothers have raised very fine male children. Countless single mothers are in the process of raising very fine male children. Needs dictate outcome. You need to quit the reflexive arguments - The principle underpinning it cannot even be disputed. One cannot teach what one does not know. A woman teaching a boy to be a man is like a ballerina teaching someone to box.  That is not to say there is nothing to learn from the ballerina, but it won't make you a boxer.    Like aqua, I too secretly hope for the "eureka" moment with my heart, even though my head tells me it's not going to happen.

It's not a reflexive argument (did you learn a new big word Honky?) it is one based on fact.

Plenty of single mothers have raised very fine men. There are undoubtedly other male role models in the child's life.  Plenty of single fathers raise perfectly adjusted daughters too. They may carry certain characteristics of their upbringing but they are no less men or women for it.

Perhaps you can elucidate on what a single mother cannot provide for her son? Which characteristics that you align to males only can a woman not impart? Perhaps you can expand on what was wrong with Abraham Lincoln?

Like Aqua, you're a bit of a poorly informed, intellectually challenged cretin. I know you fancy yourself, as does Aqua, as ever so clever but you really aren't. You both embarrass yourselves on here almost daily. That's when i'm not embarrassing you without your help.

Eureka moment. LOL. I'd have to bash my head against the bunk bed several times to arrive at where you or Aqua are coming from.

In any case, you want boy childs to be men like you and aqua? Who think women are subservient?

No. The world can do without that. I only hope you don't have sons or daughters in your care. And if you do the educational system teaches them more than you do.

mothra wrote on Feb 7^th, 2016 at 1:25am:

In any case, you want boy childs to be men like you and aqua? Who think women are subservient? No. The world can do without that. I only hope you don't have sons or daughters in your care. And if you do the educational system teaches them more than you do.

not if i can help it  ;)

mothra wrote on Feb 7^th, 2016 at 1:16am:

... wrote on Feb 5th, 2016 at 9:19am: mothra wrote on Feb 5th, 2016 at 4:32am: ... wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 8:45am: you're wasting your time - No matter how much you try to explain it, a woman just isn't going to be able to understand the world of men.  We handle business. The rise of the beta male coincides with the disappearance of the father, because at the fundamental level, a woman can not teach a boy to be a man.  Of course, once these boys grow to become adults, It becomes their fault that they never got the guidance they needed to become good men, and "something must be done!!!!" Yet countless single mothers have raised very fine male children. Countless single mothers are in the process of raising very fine male children. Needs dictate outcome. You need to quit the reflexive arguments - The principle underpinning it cannot even be disputed. One cannot teach what one does not know. A woman teaching a boy to be a man is like a ballerina teaching someone to box.  That is not to say there is nothing to learn from the ballerina, but it won't make you a boxer.    Like aqua, I too secretly hope for the "eureka" moment with my heart, even though my head tells me it's not going to happen. It's not a reflexive argument (did you learn a new big word Honky?) it is one based on fact. Plenty of single mothers have raised very fine men. There are undoubtedly other male role models in the child's life.  Plenty of single fathers raise perfectly adjusted daughters too. They may carry certain characteristics of their upbringing but they are no less men or women for it. Perhaps you can elucidate on what a single mother cannot provide for her son? Which characteristics that you align to males only can a woman not impart? Perhaps you can expand on what was wrong with Abraham Lincoln? Like Aqua, you're a bit of a poorly informed, intellectually challenged cretin. I know you fancy yourself, as does Aqua, as ever so clever but you really aren't. You both embarrass yourselves on here almost daily. That's when i'm not embarrassing you without your help. Eureka moment. LOL. I'd have to bash my head against the bunk bed several times to arrive at where you or Aqua are coming from.

i remain rock solid and icey to your attempt to administer a "shiit test"
a real man is not apologetic for being grounded and confident.
i imagine that you try these tactics on the beta males in your life and they go into panic mode and try to apologise and get you to validate them, mother them, tell them they are forgiven .
A real man is congruent to his own belief system and does not even notice the validation (or criticism ) of a woman or a beta male.
This is why you are attracted to the alpha male in a place deep in your core.
Honky and myself , are merely playing push pull with you.  Its very attractive to a woman to see an alpha male who remains untouched by her emotional outbursts. What you need at this opoint is a big hug from an alpha male to let that flurry of emotions dissipate  ;) ;)

random wrote on Feb 5^th, 2016 at 1:44pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 5th, 2016 at 11:43am: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 5th, 2016 at 10:46am: aquascoot wrote on Feb 5th, 2016 at 10:27am: As for religion. I think its been around for about as long as we have had the wheel. So has leprosy. these people may never reach a point where they need religion or spirituality.....this is because they have simply ceased to grow . But of course!  That must be why various religious went around the planet converting savages! That explains why there are no poor, uneducated and religious people in the Americas and Africa! You are smacking brilliant.

you are making the mistake of throwing out the baby with the bath water.

The spiritual enlightenment of one such as Jesus of Nazareth is awe inspiring.
People want in on this.
But the thing about spiritual enlightenment is that it is "a truth which cannot be communicated"

You cannot study the bible or hold a conversation in your mind which will lead you to understand the "enlightenment".
You cannot know "christianity " in thought.
It would be just another belief system and , so, strengthen the ego and make you less "enlightened"

Thus of the 1.5 billion christians on earth maybe only 1 million , or less then 1% get it.

But this does not mean it is not true and this does not mean it is not real.

How many people could grasp what einstein was teaching in the 1930"s

undoubtedly less then 1 % , but what he taught was very true and very influential.

religious or spiritual ideas are the next step forward in the evolution of man (as quantum physics may be).

to believe that the combined thoughts of the socialist intelligentsia, the feminists who write the national curriculum and the boardrooms of google and facebook are the way forward is just

Naive  ;) ;)

aquascoot wrote on Feb 7^th, 2016 at 7:31am:

random wrote on Feb 5th, 2016 at 1:44pm: aquascoot wrote on Feb 5th, 2016 at 11:43am: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 5th, 2016 at 10:46am: aquascoot wrote on Feb 5th, 2016 at 10:27am: As for religion. I think its been around for about as long as we have had the wheel. So has leprosy. these people may never reach a point where they need religion or spirituality.....this is because they have simply ceased to grow . But of course!  That must be why various religious went around the planet converting savages! That explains why there are no poor, uneducated and religious people in the Americas and Africa! You are smacking brilliant. you are making the mistake of throwing out the baby with the bath water. The spiritual enlightenment of one such as Jesus of Nazareth is awe inspiring. <snip>

It's the freaking sky fairy.  Get a grip.

It's for those who struggle to comprehend why we are here.  Some do god, some do drugs, the real problem is those who do both.  Maybe that's you.

random wrote on Feb 5^th, 2016 at 5:13am:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 4th, 2016 at 6:51am: ian wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 11:29pm: aquascoot wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 8:26am: [ you need to get past the idea that "alpha males teaching respect to beta males" is something that they get some sort of cheap thrills out of. you could easily get the right sort of guys, with a spirit of contribution, encouragement and challenge to rehabilitate beta male criminals. (and believe me, most of them would have other  things to do) a man who, for instance, is violent to a woman is the very worst type of beta male. he needs to be treated "proactively' and assisted to be a real man, by real men. he does not need to be treated 'reactively' and imprisoned and taught to be even more bitter, twisted, and emotionally chaotic yes, good points. Ian, i am a keen student of nature. ,snip> No problem with nature, except when you foolishly think it has a place in society. Let me keep it simple for you.  The police are the thin blue line keeping nature and society apart.  Those who cross the line, thinking they are alpha males teaching a lesson, are locked up. You like the jungle the go back to it.   You like the benefits if a social existence then you should work with that.

Classic feminist reinterpretation of masculinity: it's just about beating the sh*t out of each other.

Two areas of masculinity the feminists purposely ignore: self-control and innovation.

I'll say it again - the system did not fail Rosie Batty's son - it was an entirely unforeseen incident, and she herself states in her own story of the event that she was happy that her crazy ex was being 'normal' at the time and actually playing with his son.

This is one of the most hyped over and distorted incidents in recent history - and that hype is NOT helping the very real issues of Family Violence, and of State-sponsored violence against a chosen demographic as its only puerile and ineffective response.  I will say it again - there is a hidden agenda in play here - the subjugation of men within our society - and this is nothing but a convenient propaganda piece to hook that on.

I am frankly disgusted at the abuse of this poor woman in her deep pain, as some front person for a propaganda campaign of violence against men in our society.

I am also deeply sad that she has allowed this to happen, and has permitted herself to be a useful tool for those intent on domination in this society (and others of the West), and who seek that domination through violent subjugation of men as the first port of call.

Would real men permit the wimps, liars and party prostitutes that currently are ruining our country for us all to continue?  Now you have your answer as to why these same pimps would seek to subjugate men.  But we real men will not be bowed and we will not touch our forelocks to that kind.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 8^th, 2016 at 7:37pm:

random wrote on Feb 5th, 2016 at 5:13am: aquascoot wrote on Feb 4th, 2016 at 6:51am: ian wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 11:29pm: aquascoot wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 8:26am: [ you need to get past the idea that "alpha males teaching respect to beta males" is something that they get some sort of cheap thrills out of. you could easily get the right sort of guys, with a spirit of contribution, encouragement and challenge to rehabilitate beta male criminals. (and believe me, most of them would have other  things to do) a man who, for instance, is violent to a woman is the very worst type of beta male. he needs to be treated "proactively' and assisted to be a real man, by real men. he does not need to be treated 'reactively' and imprisoned and taught to be even more bitter, twisted, and emotionally chaotic yes, good points. Ian, i am a keen student of nature. ,snip> No problem with nature, except when you foolishly think it has a place in society. Let me keep it simple for you.  The police are the thin blue line keeping nature and society apart.  Those who cross the line, thinking they are alpha males teaching a lesson, are locked up. You like the jungle the go back to it.   You like the benefits if a social existence then you should work with that. Classic feminist reinterpretation of masculinity: it's just about beating the sh*t out of each other. Two areas of masculinity the feminists purposely ignore: self-control and innovation.

.. and who.. exactly... might one ask.... invented the police etc?  MEN!

I find it amazing that somehow those very mainstays of civilisation for centuries are now considered the very enemies of civilisation and of civilised behaviour, and are assaulted daily as a group rather than on an individual basis of genuine wrongdoing.

There is NO place in this society for the destruction of the Rule of Law, via 'guilt by emotion' and 'guilt by accusation' as is the case with the current dealing with 'domestic and apprehended (non) violence' .. the violence you have when you're not having violence, and in which the very vast majority of 'cases' involve ZERO violence, apart from that done to men on whim by courts and police.

The police may well be the thin blue line - but Law is the Thin Black Line that separates civilisation from the brutes..... and the abuse of Law Itself cannot be countenanced as a means of controlling potential violence by imposing an illegal regime of direct violence against countless innocents who are found guilty by accusation and on emotion....

That is why we once HAD Law and not 'law'.....

Unless there is a separate agenda in play.. as there undoubtedly is... that being the subjugation of men, those most likely to resist such tyranny and oppression, as a first step to the establishment of a totally controlled society.