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Message started by Laugh till you cry on Feb 1st, 2016 at 1:11pm

Title: Finally a AGW fact that can turn Australians
Post by Laugh till you cry on Feb 1st, 2016 at 1:11pm
"...the [USA] federal government recently reported that global warming may affect the taste and cost of beer..."

http://www.citizen-times.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/01/27/noaa-global-warming-may-affect-your-beer-and-its-price/79400280/


Quote:
NOAA: Global warming may affect your beer and its price
POLITICS NOW

As if the prospects of coastal flooding, hotter summers and species extinction were not enough to get your attention, the federal government recently reported that global warming may affect the taste and cost of beer.

No, we're not talking about warm beer.

Heat and drought threaten to increase the cost of hops, which give beer much of its flavor, reported the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's Climate.gov website, and brewers in California have been scrambling to deal with water shortages that may or may not be related to global warming.

An article posted on Climate.gov earlier this month says almost all of the United States' hop production occurs in Washington, Oregon and Idaho, which saw a hotter and drier growing season in 2015 that threatened the size of the hops crop. June temperatures in the three states were the highest since the 1890s.

Hops production ultimately rose 11 percent last year over 2014 and the value of the crop jumped by a third, the U.S. Department of Agriculture said. That doesn't sound so bad for growers until you notice that acreage planted in hops increased 14.8 percent, meaning growers had to work harder to produce the same amount of hops. USDA attributed the increase in value to a switch to varieties that are higher in value and increased demand from craft brewers.

Hops growers apparently came through 2015 in reasonably good shape, but it is not clear whether that will always be the case. Scientists at the University of Washington say the likelihood of dry summers with temperatures greater than some hops like will rise as global warming increases. The impact varies with the variety of hops.

CNBC reported in July that growers incurred additional expenses because of water shortages and quoted an investment banker as saying the long-term trend will be for higher hops prices.

"You have a shortage of water. You're going to have more demand from the craft breweries, and so you kind of pass the inflection point where the demand is greater for hops than the supply," said Michael Butler, chairman and CEO of Seattle-based Cascadia Capital. "The consumer will pay a higher price for beer. That is without question."

Ceres, a sustainability advocacy organization, said last March that hop prices had risen more than 250 percent over the previous decade because of increased demand and lower yields.

The future effects of warming on hops production are not completely known. Increased amounts of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere boosts some plant growth, and it's possible hops growing could shift further north as temperatures rise, although the transition could create extra costs for growers.

Farther south in California, falling river levels related to a historic drought have pressured some brewers, Climate.gov reported.

National Public Radio said in 2014 that some were concerned by the prospect of having to switch to groundwater, which often has high mineral content.

NPR quoted Jeremy Marshall, head brewer at Lagunitas Brewing Co. in Petaluma, as saying brewing with groundwater there "would be like brewing with Alka-Seltzer."

These worries help explain support for action on global warming from a number of brewers, including at  least a couple with breweries in the Asheville area, New Belgium Brewery and Sierra Nevada Brewing.

More than 42 signed a "Brewery Climate Declaration" last March to bring attention to climate change issues and many have taken steps to decrease their environmental impact. It will be interesting to see how many push for government action on warming as well.

LInks to some of the coverage of the issue are below:

The Climate.gov story: https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-and/climate-beer

Title: Re: Finally a AGW fact that can turn Australians
Post by Ajax on Feb 1st, 2016 at 1:14pm
Well if they take the CO2 bubbles (gas) out of it, it damn well will affect it.

Unless your a pom and drink flat beer.

Title: Re: Finally a AGW fact that can turn Australians
Post by Bojack Horseman on Feb 1st, 2016 at 1:15pm
Hops love cool and wet conditions so this isn't a shock.

Title: Re: Finally a AGW fact that can turn Australians
Post by Ajax on Feb 1st, 2016 at 1:22pm
In the end Anthropogenic Global warming is a great excuse to raise the PRICE of just about anything at the oligarchies will.

Title: Re: Finally a AGW fact that can turn Australians
Post by Bojack Horseman on Feb 1st, 2016 at 1:23pm

Ajax wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 1:22pm:
In the end Anthropogenic Global warming is a great excuse to raise the PRICE of just about anything at the oligarchies will.




Thanks.

Title: Re: Finally a AGW fact that can turn Australians
Post by Greens_Win on Feb 1st, 2016 at 1:23pm
Coffee, beer, wine and chocolate may become extinct due to climate change


http://www.ibtimes.com.au/coffee-beer-wine-chocolate-may-become-extinct-due-climate-change-1498330

Title: Re: Finally a AGW fact that can turn Australians
Post by Ajax on Feb 1st, 2016 at 1:25pm

____ wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 1:23pm:
Coffee, beer, wine and chocolate may become extinct due to climate change


http://www.ibtimes.com.au/coffee-beer-wine-chocolate-may-become-extinct-due-climate-change-1498330


You forgot that men wont be able to get an erection because of AGW.

Or that women wont be able to breast feed.

And the list goes on...........................

Title: Re: Finally a AGW fact that can turn Australians
Post by Bojack Horseman on Feb 1st, 2016 at 1:30pm

Ajax wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 1:25pm:
You forgot that men wont be able to get an erection because of AGW.


So whats your excuse?

Title: Re: Finally a AGW fact that can turn Australians
Post by Ajax on Feb 1st, 2016 at 1:33pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 1:30pm:

Ajax wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 1:25pm:
You forgot that men wont be able to get an erection because of AGW.


So whats your excuse?



I'm doing ok for my age, it may not face the sky anymore but it has a decent angle and I can still maintain it for the duration..... 8-)

May have to look at Viagra in another 5 years or so... :D


Title: Re: Finally a AGW fact that can turn Australians
Post by innocentbystander. on Feb 1st, 2016 at 1:35pm
The imbecilic left hijack everything in order to further imbecility, climate is the latest victim, past victims include feminists, abbos, minorities, poofters, the list go's on, "climate change" is just another excuse for the brain dead zombie left to implement spastic leftist ideology.   

Title: Re: Finally a AGW fact that can turn Australians
Post by Bojack Horseman on Feb 1st, 2016 at 1:37pm

innocentbystander. wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 1:35pm:
The imbecilic left hijack everything in order to further imbecility, climate is the latest victim, past victims include feminists, abbos, minorities, poofters, the list go's on, "climate change" is just another excuse for the brain dead zombie left to implement spastic leftist ideology.   




Cheers, any facts with that?

Title: Re: Finally a AGW fact that can turn Australians
Post by Greens_Win on Feb 1st, 2016 at 1:41pm
Hijack due to the hard right's neglect.
If the Hard Right were ethical, then issues wouldn't spiral away from them.

Title: Re: Finally a AGW fact that can turn Australians
Post by innocentbystander. on Feb 1st, 2016 at 2:16pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 1:37pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 1:35pm:
The imbecilic left hijack everything in order to further imbecility, climate is the latest victim, past victims include feminists, abbos, minorities, poofters, the list go's on, "climate change" is just another excuse for the brain dead zombie left to implement spastic leftist ideology.   




Cheers, any facts with that?




Only reality, something that you will never see  ;D

Title: Re: Finally a AGW fact that can turn Australians
Post by innocentbystander. on Feb 1st, 2016 at 2:22pm

____ wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 1:41pm:
Hijack due to the hard right's neglect.
If the Hard Right were ethical, then issues wouldn't spiral away from them.




There is no neglect, there is only the imbecilic lefts creation of the narration of neglect, created in order to further the imbecilic lefts cause.

First they create a non existent problem, then they claim that they are the answer to that problem and then rally the troops accordingly.

Truth is that the left are on the same evolutionary path as the tick and the leech and thats pretty much all there is to it.

Title: Re: Finally a AGW fact that can turn Australians
Post by Bojack Horseman on Feb 1st, 2016 at 2:30pm

innocentbystander. wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 2:16pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 1:37pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 1:35pm:
The imbecilic left hijack everything in order to further imbecility, climate is the latest victim, past victims include feminists, abbos, minorities, poofters, the list go's on, "climate change" is just another excuse for the brain dead zombie left to implement spastic leftist ideology.   




Cheers, any facts with that?




Only reality, something that you will never see  ;D




Thats my stock in trade. Something you dont get from the Daily Telegraph.

Title: Re: Finally a AGW fact that can turn Australians
Post by lee on Feb 1st, 2016 at 3:02pm
Don't forget according to Viner, 2000, "within a few years winter snowfall will become “a very rare and exciting event”.

“Children just aren’t going to know what snow is,” he said."

Title: Re: Finally a AGW fact that can turn Australians
Post by mariacostel on Feb 1st, 2016 at 3:03pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 1:11pm:
"...the [USA] federal government recently reported that global warming may affect the taste and cost of beer..."

http://www.citizen-times.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/01/27/noaa-global-warming-may-affect-your-beer-and-its-price/79400280/


Quote:
NOAA: Global warming may affect your beer and its price
POLITICS NOW

As if the prospects of coastal flooding, hotter summers and species extinction were not enough to get your attention, the federal government recently reported that global warming may affect the taste and cost of beer.

No, we're not talking about warm beer.

Heat and drought threaten to increase the cost of hops, which give beer much of its flavor, reported the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's Climate.gov website, and brewers in California have been scrambling to deal with water shortages that may or may not be related to global warming.

An article posted on Climate.gov earlier this month says almost all of the United States' hop production occurs in Washington, Oregon and Idaho, which saw a hotter and drier growing season in 2015 that threatened the size of the hops crop. June temperatures in the three states were the highest since the 1890s.

Hops production ultimately rose 11 percent last year over 2014 and the value of the crop jumped by a third, the U.S. Department of Agriculture said. That doesn't sound so bad for growers until you notice that acreage planted in hops increased 14.8 percent, meaning growers had to work harder to produce the same amount of hops. USDA attributed the increase in value to a switch to varieties that are higher in value and increased demand from craft brewers.

Hops growers apparently came through 2015 in reasonably good shape, but it is not clear whether that will always be the case. Scientists at the University of Washington say the likelihood of dry summers with temperatures greater than some hops like will rise as global warming increases. The impact varies with the variety of hops.

CNBC reported in July that growers incurred additional expenses because of water shortages and quoted an investment banker as saying the long-term trend will be for higher hops prices.

"You have a shortage of water. You're going to have more demand from the craft breweries, and so you kind of pass the inflection point where the demand is greater for hops than the supply," said Michael Butler, chairman and CEO of Seattle-based Cascadia Capital. "The consumer will pay a higher price for beer. That is without question."

Ceres, a sustainability advocacy organization, said last March that hop prices had risen more than 250 percent over the previous decade because of increased demand and lower yields.

The future effects of warming on hops production are not completely known. Increased amounts of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere boosts some plant growth, and it's possible hops growing could shift further north as temperatures rise, although the transition could create extra costs for growers.

Farther south in California, falling river levels related to a historic drought have pressured some brewers, Climate.gov reported.

National Public Radio said in 2014 that some were concerned by the prospect of having to switch to groundwater, which often has high mineral content.

NPR quoted Jeremy Marshall, head brewer at Lagunitas Brewing Co. in Petaluma, as saying brewing with groundwater there "would be like brewing with Alka-Seltzer."

These worries help explain support for action on global warming from a number of brewers, including at  least a couple with breweries in the Asheville area, New Belgium Brewery and Sierra Nevada Brewing.

More than 42 signed a "Brewery Climate Declaration" last March to bring attention to climate change issues and many have taken steps to decrease their environmental impact. It will be interesting to see how many push for government action on warming as well.

LInks to some of the coverage of the issue are below:

The Climate.gov story: https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-and/climate-beer



How is 0.1 degree going to affect crops?

Title: Re: Finally a AGW fact that can turn Australians
Post by Redneck on Feb 1st, 2016 at 3:28pm
"Well all be ruined"    said Hanrahan in accents most forlorn.

Outside the church, ere Mass began one frosty Sunday morn!

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